In May, The Guardian claimed that €8m LFC misfit Luis Alberto is one of 11 players Brendan Rodgers wants to scrap this summer, and after a nightmare season at Anfield, the Spaniard is set to leave after only two starts for the club.
Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo recently claimed that Alberto is keen on a move to Malaga, and on Wednesday, the Liverpool Echo reported:
* Alberto will join Malaga on a season-long loan tomorrow [i.e. Thursday].
* Malaga have offered a £1million loan fee, and will pay Alberto's wages.
This has to be the most predictable LFC exit of the summer, though to be fair to Alberto, it's not entirely his fault. Rodgers - who recently described the attacker as 'quality' - clearly hasn't given the Spaniard a fair chance in the team, and although he let himself down with the drink-driving issues, that came *after* he'd already been dumped from the match-day squad for 8 games in a row.
And let's no forget the public humiliation Alberto endured in January, when Rodgers yanked him off at half-time against lower-league Oldham Athletic. Managerial misuse notwithstanding, the oft-advanced idea that Alberto is 'one for the future' is just blinkered, head-in-sand hogwash; Rodgers made a mistake, it's as simple as that.
As usual, Pro-Rodgers zealots continue to spin all kinds of unsubstantiated myths about why Alberto failed to get into the team, the most prevalent of which is that he's 'not a good trainer'. There's absolutely zero evidence to back this up, however, and Rodgers own comments about Alberto's 'working hard' in training categorically refute that lie.
It seemed obvious very early on that Alberto wasn't going to cut it at Anfield, and I think it's totally fair to say - as I've argued all season - that Rodgers has racked up yet another failure in the transfer market, and wasted €8m in the process.
It may only be a loan, but I suspect that's the last Reds fans will ever see of Alberto. He has no future at Liverpool, and Rodgers will probably be hoping that Malaga make the deal permanent next year.
Author: Jaimie K
** World Cup Schedule: 26 June 2014
Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo recently claimed that Alberto is keen on a move to Malaga, and on Wednesday, the Liverpool Echo reported:
* Alberto will join Malaga on a season-long loan tomorrow [i.e. Thursday].
* Malaga have offered a £1million loan fee, and will pay Alberto's wages.
This has to be the most predictable LFC exit of the summer, though to be fair to Alberto, it's not entirely his fault. Rodgers - who recently described the attacker as 'quality' - clearly hasn't given the Spaniard a fair chance in the team, and although he let himself down with the drink-driving issues, that came *after* he'd already been dumped from the match-day squad for 8 games in a row.
And let's no forget the public humiliation Alberto endured in January, when Rodgers yanked him off at half-time against lower-league Oldham Athletic. Managerial misuse notwithstanding, the oft-advanced idea that Alberto is 'one for the future' is just blinkered, head-in-sand hogwash; Rodgers made a mistake, it's as simple as that.
As usual, Pro-Rodgers zealots continue to spin all kinds of unsubstantiated myths about why Alberto failed to get into the team, the most prevalent of which is that he's 'not a good trainer'. There's absolutely zero evidence to back this up, however, and Rodgers own comments about Alberto's 'working hard' in training categorically refute that lie.
It seemed obvious very early on that Alberto wasn't going to cut it at Anfield, and I think it's totally fair to say - as I've argued all season - that Rodgers has racked up yet another failure in the transfer market, and wasted €8m in the process.
It may only be a loan, but I suspect that's the last Reds fans will ever see of Alberto. He has no future at Liverpool, and Rodgers will probably be hoping that Malaga make the deal permanent next year.
Author: Jaimie K
** World Cup Schedule: 26 June 2014
None of those players will come back and be first-team regulars either. What I stated about those three in the past is irrelevant anyway, and has nothing to do with my view on Alberto.
ReplyDeleteNo but it has everything to do with your view on young players going on loan (of which Alberto is one)
ReplyDeleteFor his age IMO Ibe is showing greater potential than sterling, so who are you to say he won't make it.
If you look at Soldado and Aspas who both had great seasons before they came to England and were regular starters for their clubs in Spain, both just have not been able not get to grips with the EPL. If Soldado and Aspas had to go back to Spain then they will most probably return to form. That does not make them bad players but clearly the EPL is not for everyone. Apparently City are trying to offload Negredo, another player who was in top form in Spain before he came to the EPL but did not take the EPL by storm either.
ReplyDeleteIf Alberto does go to Malaga on a season long loan then hopefully he will get a fair amount of games to show what he is made of.
Luis & Llori are the 2 players that I would have loved to see have some matches this season and have an inkling as to how they are and they should not be shipped out now as this season has many games. It is a pure shame.
ReplyDeleteIt's my opinion. Get over it.
ReplyDeleteWell that wasn't very mature Jaimie, I thought you were all about creating a lively discussion and debate.
ReplyDeleteYou comment added nothing
The Times say we are signing Belgium's Origi and that we'll loan him back to Lille straight away.
ReplyDeleteOk delete my comments, just like you do with anyone who doesn't agree with you.
ReplyDeleteI was being civil you aren't.
Why should anything happen to Ilori? Why can't we have good players who can play in four tourneys next season? I don't get the zero-sum mentality here. I would think a deep bench is a good thing. It is constantly painted as a bad thing here.
ReplyDeleteLeast impressive in a team that hasn't allowed a goal from free play yet? I'd say that's pretty good.
ReplyDeleteThat was just one game. And he played a total of just 9 games. But then again I wouldnt' let him leave without giving him his chance in the PL
ReplyDeleteWell no surprise here to be honest. When BR bought him last season for the reported 7-£8M then I assumed he would be involved in the team. But he basically bought him to leave him on the bench.
ReplyDeleteWhy buy him? He wasn't even given a chance. The money we spent on him, and Assaidi and all the other "flops" for that matter could have gone to a top class full back or DM.
As it stands now, BR wasted £8M on Alberto, who knows, he may have a stunning loan with Malaga and come a total different player ready for the 1st team.
But then again look what happen to Suso, who arguably should have stayed at Anfield specially after all the injuries, he'll probably leave for Porto.
Let's face it, so far the only signings BR made that has a measurable impact are: Mignolet, Coutinho and Sturridge.
IMO jury still our on Sakho and Borini due to injury...
Negredo was mighty impressive for city when he was fit. Injury was the only thing that kept him from scoring a lot more.
ReplyDeleteOff-topic, but...
ReplyDeleteInfuriated over Suarez punishment.
4 months that i suppose means late october until he plays.
ReplyDeleteYa, lfc seem to be coming out the worst in all of this
ReplyDeleteYep. Don't know why Liverpool have to be punished for something he did while on international duty. Uruguay weren't punished when he bit Ivanovich.
ReplyDeleteSo true i gather the 9 matches are internationals that sucks i am tending to hope he is sold now i didnt before this.
ReplyDeleteWho will buy him if he can't play until October? If they do buy him, they will not pay what we all hoped would be in excess of 80m, or 50m plus player. Looks like he won't be going anywhere this summer and someone else will end up with Sanchez (assuming Thompson's proclamation was premature).
ReplyDeleteI really dont know who will buy him or whether the price has plummeted but a 3 or 4 yr ban from international games would have been more fitting.
ReplyDeleteLeaving Liverpool out of this oh well thinking Thompson may be full of it he has come out and said this before.
Strangely enough too FIFA handed out a 10 match ban to a player named Simunic for racism all were international games.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me FIFA make the rules as they go Liverpool should challenge the decision.
Surely racist rants are worse than biting Italian twonks on the shoulder?!?!
ReplyDeleteOne would think so but there you go maybe fifa didnt want him at Barcelona.
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable. Why should Liverpool challenge the decision? What happened to other players has nothing to do with Suarez biting someone? Why is it that you and so many other apologists always resort to argument ad populum instead of focusing on what Suarez actually did?
ReplyDeleteJust because X got a longer ban doesn't mean Suarez's ban is wrong.
Why? Can't you take off your pro-LFC hat for 5 seconds and realise that there needs to be an incredibly strong deterrent in place to stop other players doing the same?
ReplyDeleteSuarez bit someone twice before, and clearly didn't learn from his punishment; how is just banning him from internationals a significant deterrent when he'd have the Champions League to look forward to?!
And now because they played Honduras, Shaqiri is automatically rated on par with Mitroglou by your observations? Give me a friggin break...
ReplyDeleteIt also places an unfair burden on sharks to measure up to Suarez
ReplyDeletei'll take off my pro-LFC hat for a moment if you take off your anti-Suarez hat for just as long, and realize the most recent bite has nothing to do with Liverpool. A ban from international play for two years would have been more appropriate.
ReplyDeleteNo Jamie if you went to court and got gaoled for j walking whilst the bloke next to you got a small fine for grand theft you would be angry as justice should be equal for all and should befit the crime.
ReplyDeleteAs i said earlier why wasnt his international ban longer he did not do this at Liverpool.
Well not this time he has already been done his pennanse for that.
There's no contradiction in what I've stated here.
ReplyDeleteIt was (IMO) obvious very early on that Alberto wouldn't make it, but not because of his ability:
* I've never disputed that Alberto is talented, and I've never stated that he's 'not good enough'. That's not even part of the equation.
* My argument is - and always has been - that Alberto wouldn't make it because his career was in the hands of a manager who never played him, and showed zero faith in his ability.
* If a player is not given game time, he cannot improve, make an impact, or prove his worth.
* At LFC, if a manager has no faith in a player from the start, and then uses him sparingly, it is a sure sign that the player will ultimately fail.
As such, I maintain that it's not wholly Alberto's fault. If Rodgers showed the same faith in him as he did with Sterling/Flanagan etc, then Alberto might've made an impact. Unfortunately for him, Rodgers set him up to fail. He never game him a chance, and in those circumstances, Alberto was destined to fall by the wayside.
When I say he's a 'waste of money', that's not a reflection on him, but on Rodgers' poor performance in the transfer market. Spending £21m on three players (Alberto, Aspas, and Ilori), and not using them is utter negligence. Add onto that the tens of millions BR has wasted on other players, and it's a serious problem.
SAS saved Liverpool last season with their freak goalscoring exploits, but if Rodgers continues to fail in the transfer market this summer, LFC will fall from grace next season, and this time next year, BR's job could be on the line.
Well well well... 9 game international ban and 4 months worldwide ban including a stadium ban...
ReplyDeleteSo we are going to be without him until Oct 26th, misses 9 league games and 3 CL games...Well done.
He deserves the ban IMO. I don't agree with the sensationalist headlines made by the media and people calling him "an awful human being" but he knew this was going to happen.
Once was silly...3x is just ridiculous... I mean who bites people while playing football!
After such an amazing season I'm just sad that this happen...even more sad that his actions are going to effect Liverpool.
What you've described happens every single day. Murderers go free; child-molesters get 6 months in prison, whilst a guy who robs a banks gets 20 years.
ReplyDeleteThat's life, unfortunately. However, the disparity doesn't change the fact that crimes are committed, and should be punished.
So what if Suarez didn't do it at LFC; that's a really insular way of looking at it; and you're only making that distinction because you're biased in favour of LFC/Suarez. If, say, it was Rooney on the rack, I doubt you'd be making the same argument.
This is one of the things that irritates me the most about football fans: total inability to be fair and objective when it comes to players on their team.
Of course Liverpool should challenge the decision; so should UEFA, for that matter.
ReplyDeleteSince when do these kinds of ban apply to all football. Players do much worse things at club level, that is, much more violent, lastingly harmful things, such as deliberately causing serious injuries to their opponents, and are sent off and banned at club level, but not at international level, ever.
This is a farce. It's not about justice, it's not really about Suarez, it's about FIFA demonstrating the bona fides of its autocratic power at a crucial moment for its continued legitimacy as the governing body of the world game.
It's not anti-Suarez; it's anti-cheating. What difference does it make that the bite has nothing to do with LFC. It's all football. You ignore my point about the deterrent. Suarez has stuck two fingers up the rules over and over again; banning him only from international football will not have the required impact. This is his 3rd bite attack - he needs the harshest punishment; something that will really shock him into following the rules.
ReplyDeleteBut what happens? Bleeding-heart, enabling LFC fans start making pointless distinctions in a back-handed attempt to rationalise/defend his actions.
Suarez has shite on BR and we supporters BIG TIME ...... Liverpool FC who stood by him all along and supposedly got him back on track is the loser in all this ! Let's hope there is a big penalty clause re behaviour
ReplyDelete( biting ) in his contract and we can get shot to RM or Barca and get a replacement in pronto ! If he stays he and the club by association will get so much flack wherever he plays especially in Europe and will be one hell of a distraction . Damage limitation now so as not to lose respect .
After this i surely would be calling for Rooneys head but before this id say no and just because there are a million injustices in the world does not make it ok.
ReplyDeleteIs it fair Liverpool pay big when other clubs are untouched in similar situations.
I would like to bet if he were at Barca or Real it would not of effected his club football thats politics.
The only thing that's a 'farce' here is enabling Liverpool fans wringing their hands over Suarez's punishment. It's hardly surprising though considering the gargantuan victim-culture amongst LFC fans; and by that, I specifically mean fans constantly mewling about refereeing conspiracies against the club, and how everyone is against LFC etc.
ReplyDelete'Autocratic power'? Give me a break. Suarez has just bitten someone for the THIRD time, and he did it on the biggest stage, in front of an audience of billions. Practically no player in football history has a record of infractions as heinous as Suarez. He has no respect for football, the rules, Rodgers, LFC, or the World Cup, and he's lucky the ban wasn't longer.
I am not defending his actions. My problem is with the fact that Liverpool are being punished as much, if not more, than Suarez. I realize you disagree, but I honestly don't think the club should suffer - not this time, at least - for Suarez's idiocy.
ReplyDeleteWhat similar situations?! Please make a list of all the players who've bitten someone in the World Cup. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is not an isolated incident! Suarez has a long history of disrespecting the rules, yet you're acting like this is a one-off. FIFA are entitled to take his past behaviour into account, and so they should, as football is not just restricted to the World Cup.
LFC deserve to be punished. The club has been endlessly complicit in Suarez's behaviour. Like the fans, Liverpool have enabled Suarez with their reactions to the Evra situation (and other incidents), and Rodgers et al have sycophantically massaged Suarez's ego despite his past infractions, AND given him several humungous pay-rises in the process.
ReplyDeleteLFC deserve it, as does Suarez (IMO)
I did say he paid his pennanse for the Liverpool indiscretion but the biggest ban handed has been 8 games for elbowing someone in the face and causing injury i consider that worse for a start.
ReplyDeleteI suppose though no one watched the world cup that year.
Yes, it's all a giant, machiavellian conspiracy.
ReplyDeleteIt was a joke geez.
ReplyDeleteTrust me, there will be at least one LFC fan out there who genuinely believes something along those lines.
ReplyDeleteWell it will be interesting to see if the club can sell him this window i highly doubt it though and as for playing in Europe god help us if we have to play in Italy with him.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really interested in this kind of moralising: "infractions [...] heinous [...] respect [...]". What a load of nonsense. When it comes to that kind of grandstanding, well you're welcome to do it, and clearly some people get something out of it, but for me, it's just gas.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to refuse to see how this penalty and FIFA politics are interconnected, well... I don't know what to say to you. This is a familiar dynamic in institutions of all kinds when the management are under pressure and desperate to be seen to be doing The Right Thing.
The criticism you articulate against Liverpool fans is an extension of the old right-wing propaganda accusation against the "entitlement" culture of the local government of the city of Liverpool and its traditionally socialist people which dates back to the Militant years, and I'm disappointed to hear a Liverpool fan use that trope against his own. We can argue passionately about that, if you like: the history of the exploitation and repression of the people of Merseyside is a much bigger deal than Luis Suarez, to me.
From my perspective, you are suspending your power of reasonable judgement
in this instance, in order to gratify yourself by a self-righteous performance of irrational moralising. Because you are intent on doing this, you are refusing to see the full context here. Fine. But it's disappointing and uncharacteristic of you to let your feelings get the better of you like this when it comes to analysis.
I guess what we have here, then, is a gentleman's disagreement.
ReplyDeleteRight-wing propaganda? I've heard it all now.
ReplyDeleteYou're a biased, insular enabler who refuses to see Suarez's actions in their proper context.
Yep any offer now will be drastically reduced and don't know whether or not the club will be willing to take the hit .... but the owners might take a different view as they see the much bigger picture and adverse affect on branding / sponsorship etc. In Italy he will be a marked man !
ReplyDeleteI always assumed that you didn't think Alberto was good enough. I stand corrected. In that case it's not even remotely Alberto's fault.
ReplyDeleteI am not against banning Suarez from International football but to now give him a ban at club level too? The FA did not ban Suarez from International competition for the Ivanovic incident? There is no doubt that Suarez has done wrong but to now also punish LFC because of that? Did LFC give instructions to Suarez to go and bite a player while he was on International duty?
ReplyDeleteThis could very well be another plan of Suarez to force a move either in this coming window or the January window but what I am thinking is that Suarez actually needs psychiatric help. Biting people is not a normal thing. Surely there is something not quite right in his head to make him do such a thing. It is not like he is running around and threatening people with there lives etc. I genuinely think has a mental disorder that triggers such actions.
I'm with JK on this one. He's a Liverpool player, that's undeniable. Just because he's playing for Uruguay doesn't change that. Liverpool signed him and have fought desperately to keep him regardless of what he's done. The club extended his contract and paid him handsomely all the time knowing precisely what he is capable of. So even when he's away on international duty, he's still a Liverpool player. The ban is not intended to punish the club but it's entirely appropriate and we have to suffer the consequences. This is what you get when you employ someone with a history of on-field problems, knowing that he may re-commit offences in the future. No one forced him on us, in fact it's the opposite and we a desperate to keep a hold of him no matter what he does. We employ him knowing already that he might do something like this. With the good, we accept the bad. If he plays well for Uruguay that's good for Liverpool, we would accept that. So when he does something like this we must also accept that he does so as a Liverpool play. It actually doesn't matter what jersey he has on. Why should it?
ReplyDeleteLiverpool Football Club has released the following statement in response to the FIFA Disciplinary Committee's decision regarding Luis Suarez.
ReplyDeleteIan Ayre, chief executive officer, said: "Liverpool Football Club will wait until we have seen and had time to review the FIFA Disciplinary Committee report before making any further comment."
And don't forget we play Roma at Fenway Park in July who are owned by a partner in FSG !
ReplyDeleteThe FA does not have the jurisdicton to ban Suarez from international football. FIFA has the power to do impose bans across all jurisdictions.
ReplyDeleteLFC deserve the ban too for constantly enabling Suarez, and creating an environment where he was worshipped - and rewarded with THREE massive payrises - despite his constant disrespect of the rules.
It's utterly ridiculous that a player can get humungous pay rise (allegedly £80k) just a few months after completing a 10 game ban for biting someone.
If I bit someone at my job, would I get a payrise? No chance.
Well, as I'm sure you know, the 1980s in Britain were a time of real, violent social and political antagonism between left and right. Liverpool was a passionately left-wing city with an independent left-wing local government. As such Liverpool was subject to nothing less than a campaign of propaganda in the right wing press throughout the 1980s. In this campaign the vicious caricaturing of the scousers as "self-entitled" "whingers" was perpetrated as a way of punishing the socialists of the city for daring to demand social equality for the historically exploited people of the north of England. The scandalous representation of LFCs supporters in the aftermath of the Hillborough disaster is the most obvious example of the propagandistic nature of that campaign, which was carried out in calculated ignorance of reality from the start. That is the origin of the insult which you yourself have used today in order to intimidate and discipline Liverpool supporters who disagree with you.
ReplyDeleteBack on topic: what you say is just a kneejerk response which doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I've written here today. But if that's all you're going to give me, we'll have to stop there.
Well if Suarez does play in Italy it will be as a lone striker very alone no one would want to get close for fear of being hit with something.
ReplyDeleteBut why did Fifa then not step in and ban Suarez from International football at the time of the Ivanovic incident?
ReplyDeleteProb have lost his teeth by then tho ;-)
ReplyDeleteAs if that is normal behaviour. When the Court the High Court makes a decision, does the Court of Appeal stick it's oar and change things? No. FIFA's remit is not to micro-manage the world's football associations.
ReplyDeleteBut you said "FIFA has the power to do impose bans across all jurisdictions".
ReplyDeleteFifa surely was involved when Suarez bit Ivanovic as well as when he was accused for being a racist.
I agree with you. Other punishments are irrelevant and cannot be compared. I cannot think of a comparable situation where someone has infringed the rules with a socially unacceptable action such as biting not once but three bloody times.
ReplyDeleteLFC is partly responsible for neglecting to deal with the issue properly and as such deserves also to be penalised. If press reports are to be believed he even tried to bite Chiellini last year in the confederation cup - the warning signs that he was not "cured" were there if anyone wanted to see them.
The other thing I am disappointed with is that there appears to be no mention of help or support to go with the punishment.
I don't believe he did this just to gain an advantage. There is a deeper issue that needs addressing. If he'd thought about it for one minute he would never have done it and especially not on the biggest stage of all. He clearly needs help.
He actually did mention Ibe. Scroll up a bit.
ReplyDeleteFifa would not step in there as there is no pay offs from Qatar .
ReplyDeleteI see your point. Just a knee-jerk reaction on my part due to the fact the team did so well last season and this certainly has the potential to retard the progress that was made. It irritates me that he came back from last season's ban determined to (pretend to) change his image, thereby increasing his worth. And when the club are finally (or at least seem to be) in the position to cash in and move on, he goes and has Italian for lunch.
ReplyDeleteIf it looks like poo and smells like poo then it most probably is poo = FIFA.
ReplyDeleteHis payrises are due to his extraordinary performances on the pitch. Anybody who delivers beyond expectation deserves a payrise.
ReplyDeleteAnd why don't you highlight Liverpool's efforts in making Suarez improve his behaviour on and off the field the entire season ?
What are you on about? Are you capable of ever staying on the issue without going off on pointless tangents. We're not talking about the Evra situation! And besides, both Evra/Ivanovic happened in the Prem, which is the FA's jurisdiction, not FIFA. Stop trying to muddy the waters.
ReplyDeleteI find your stance of LFC being liable for constantly enabling Suarez quite strange when FIFA still do not want to do anything about things such as deliberate diving and players being deliberately sent off. Now Fifa want to punish LFC for Suarez's actions when they show absolutely now control themselves?
ReplyDeleteWhy did Suarez deserve another payrise only 8 months after the last one? It had nothing to do with performance, and everything to do with LFC just paying through the nose to ward off January transfer interest.
ReplyDeleteWhy should LFC be praised for making a player behave like a normal human being?! That's part of the club's job. Plus, the alleged rehab clearly didn't work.
I am not muddying the waters.
ReplyDeleteYou said and I quote
"FIFA has the power to do impose bans across all jurisdictions."
He is employed by the club, we can't get away from that. It doesn't matter that he's playing for Uruguay, he's still a Liverpool player, and we have the accept the consequences of whatever he does. This is no longer just one incident, it's a series of really messed up things the guy has done, it's the THIRD time he's bitten a football player on the pitch. The first time it's maybe a once-off, the second time it's more serious but if he gets a proper ban then maybe he'll eventually come to his sense. A third infringement on the biggest stage in world football is just too much to bear and FIFA have done the right thing. The ban isn't just about punishment, it's about taking this guy out of the game, out of it entirely. We have to suffer for that because we choose to have him on our team. No one forced us to, no one made the club give him a contract extension. The club did that, entirely voluntarily. The club CHOSE to sign him, keep him, fight for him, he has never been pushed onto us against our will. We accept the good, the goals, the publicity, the shirt sales, everything that comes with having him on the team, and that includes accepting his actions like this one.
ReplyDeleteLFC shouldn't be praised for that but the thing is you are insinuating that they are enablers who don't care how Suarez acts, whereas that is completely false. They clearly had a strong word with him and it helped him change his attitude.
ReplyDeleteAnd the payrise was due to his performances, he was on fire when he received it.
I think you can reasonably criticise BR for buying Alberto as he is clearly not good enough or what BR wants. But hey everyone makes mistakes and some even learn from them. Overall though BR's performance as the LFC manager has been.... well "outstanding"
ReplyDeleteWe don't know why BR is not willing to play him and that could be for any number of reasons, You cannot fairly blame BR or the player without knowing the reasons. It's bad enough to buy the wrong player but to play him when you don't think he's the best of your options would be compounding an error.
Believe me I think FIFA sucks but in this case they had no other option and could have been much harsher . The player has to be made responsible for his actions and although harsh on LFC, Suarez knew exactly what he was doing - for the third time - and has to be punished individually Otherwise he could just carry on enjoying playing in Prem. and CL with the feeling he got away with it and who knows repeat his actions ..... He also couldn't man up and admit that he had done it saying it was just a clash that happens in football . V Sad !
ReplyDeleteYeah, I agree that Liverpool don't somehow "deserve" this for what they've done for Suarez. It's just simple consequences. Liverpool have actually done plenty for Suarez, they have him working with a great man-manager and a renowned sports psychologist. It's not at all that the club are somehow reaping what they sow because they didn't care that Suarez had issues, it's not a moral issue. It's as simple as employing a guy who has a history of doing stupid things. If you knowingly do that, you can't complain when his stupidity comes back to hurt you.
ReplyDeleteBut what if Suarez truly has a mental disorder? How many times do you see a player biting someone, and then do it twice after the initial incident. Of all the years i have watched football, from leagues as far as Brazil, I am quite confident to say that biting incidents are not the norm.
ReplyDeleteObviously, by that I mean when the infraction takes place within FIFA's jurisdiction, i.e. at a tournament run by FIFA.
ReplyDeletePossibly, if you were a vampire say...
ReplyDeletePersonally I don't know if Alberto is a good trainer but I have suggested thieves a possibility due to his lack of starts and things Rodgers said about Texiera. Evidence? No and I personally never said there was. However coaching staff saying they didn't think Alberto had settled well, Rodgers saying he had not come along as much as they had wanted and the drink driving (although later can possibly give an indicator to his attitude). All this to me seems like a progression of logic and reading between the lines. Such things seem fine for some arguments but I suppose it depends who agrees.
ReplyDeleteThe laws that govern football, known officially as the Laws of the Game, are not solely the responsibility of FIFA; they are maintained by a body called the International Football Association Board (IFAB). FIFA has members on its board (four representatives); the other four are provided by the football associations of the United Kingdom: England,Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, who jointly established IFAB in 1882 and are recognised for the creation and history of the game. Changes to the Laws of the Game must be agreed by at least six of the eight delegates.
ReplyDeleteOh and training well and working hard are two different things. Obviously.
ReplyDeleteYes I work hard but I'm still rubbish
ReplyDelete“Alberto has found it hard at the start, obviously with the pace of the Premier League." Colin Pascoe
ReplyDeleteClearly Alberto did not settle well unless Pascoe is lying!
Cos he has done it twice before and has been punished before ..... it was off the ball and could very well have been premeditated - who knows ?
ReplyDeleteHe had the awareness to dive afterwards holding his teeth to escape blame etc. He also had the intelligence to behave when he came back to the prem. after his previous ban .
Do you know what a mental disorder is?
ReplyDeleteYes I do and have personal experience but have received treatment and it is managed ..... Suarez has received the best help and if his ' disorder ', cannot be managed then imo he shouldn't be playing .
ReplyDeleteWell who have they played? Algeria and the worst Russia side since the USSR fell apart
ReplyDeleteWhat nonsense. If Suarez new that he was going to be banned for biting Chiellini after being banned twice for the same incident then why would he want to do it again? For satisfaction?
ReplyDeleteBut you can use precedent to challenge the decision!
ReplyDeleteProbably
ReplyDeleteGargantuan? Get a grip. Like I have said before most of my mates who like football are reds and don't have this mentality. Don't make our it is most when in reality it's a vocal minority. Running a website may mean you deal with more cranks than the average person but come down to the actual city sometime and see for yourself that it is not that many.
ReplyDeleteWell then mental disorder must have a different meaning. Why do children kill their parents? Probably?
ReplyDeleteIf you slide tackled someone would you get a pay rise? Broke someone's leg? Butted someone? Elbowed someone? Lots if people have done these things and still got pay rises. If your an investment banker and call someone a c@nt but made a multi million pound profit you could still get a pay rise. Why becaus you have done the main part of your job very well.
ReplyDeleteKung fu kicked a fan i.e. Eric Cantona!
ReplyDeleteHe was a brilliant player but because of that does not deserve a increase when he has contributed to the mancs success...
I've heard of lunch breaks, tea breaks and smoking breaks but that takes the biscuit........friggin breaks?
ReplyDeleteRoy Keane ended a fellas career and screamed in his face and bragged about it in his book. Not only has he been rewarded from United but also given a pundits job. Sourness broke a players jaw on the pitch and is hailed by some for it. He became manager. Duncan Ferguson is a legend at Everton. These players have caused actual bodily harm. What Suarez did is wrong, horrible and crazy but some perspective is needed by some people. Great players are rewarded for being great players not great people.
ReplyDeleteJust asked my boss if I can have a friggin break. He said yes f*ck off
ReplyDeleteGive it a rest with the superfan rhetoric. I've been to Liverpool (and Anfield) hundreds of times, and the Kop is a cauldron of enablement. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard 'fans' screaming for Gerrard to dive in the box.
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Shaqiri played absolutely terrible in the other two matches though. One good match doesn't make him a good target. I really wanted him before, but he simply hasnt shown any reason during this world cup why we still should. At any rate, Sanchez looks more likely, which is fine by me...
ReplyDeleteOh yes when Negredo played as s striker in more EPL matches than Sterling but could not out score him? As Jaimie would say, do not muddy the waters.
ReplyDeleteThe goalposts seem to be on wheels.
ReplyDeleteYour gargantuan comment was referring to victim-culture not cheating and that is what Greg was rightly picking you up on.
I don't like the digs often made about Liverpool having a victim mentality but it does not help when others claim persecution every time a decision goes against the club because it invites such criticisms however misplaced.
Criticising refereeing decisions and claiming any penalties imposed on a club are unfair is common to football fans from every club. But like Greg I do not agree a gargantuan number of Liverpool fans seriously believe in refereeing conspiracies.
You and Greg are entitled to believe whatever you like. In my experience, massive numbers of LFC fans buy into the ridiculous conspiracy theories.
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ReplyDeleteCrazy money but I would have been very excited if this kid had joined LFC.
Once again vocal minority. I hear people too but not that many. You choosing to focusing on the few is your issue rather than a good representation. I'm no superman and have never claimed to nebo just think your views have no relevancevto reality.
ReplyDeleteYes! A Friggin' break...
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ReplyDeleteOK so now he's not good because of his opening 2 world cup games? I don't get that logic...
ReplyDeleteWhy do you find it so difficult to grasp the concept that it's my *opinion* based on my own personal experience?
ReplyDeleteYou don't know that it doesn't represent the majority; how do you it's the 'vocal minority'? You just want to believe that it's a minority of fans who feel that way.
I've met and/or been around literally thousands of LFC fans in my lifetime, and the majority buy into the various conspiracy theories. Plus, like many fans with their respective clubs, LFC fans (in my experience) are ridiculously biased.
The tribal nature of football-fans is off-putting to me; the starf***ing deification, and aggressive 'LFC till I die' obsession is (IMO) damaging, and is the root cause of most of the negative (but accurate) sterotype of football fans.
Why can't you get it that if you are going to be outspoken in your opinions they will be challenged? It's not exactly new. If people think you are talking crop should they not say?
ReplyDeleteOK I can't say it's a minority if we say that the majority of fans do not live on Liverpool. Otherwise spending my life in the city and knowing lots of reds should give me a good idea. It's just not my experience and on my experience most people see the cranks for what they are.
I personally think you spend so much time on the Internet you see the worst. I read neutral sites and comments and posts and I see these ideas perpetuated by other fans as they reference the cranks but ignore the sensible majority. You sound the same and it's a pet hate. Sinpkybbecause I'm reading what they read and it always seemed disingenuous. I'm not sure if that's the case with you or if it is just confirmation bias but as someone who knows and speaks to enough reds regularly in real life to see items a hood enough sample size I know you are wrong
Conspiracy theories, schmonspiracy theories. I think you're an agent of the FA, sent to incite a riot amongst Liverpool supporters so that the blood from said riots can be offered up to the demon god Howard Webb and regurgitated ceremoniously into the diamond-encrusted coffers of United in the form of money -- money to be used in such a way as to keep LFC further and further from winning a title of any significance. Keep it up, Jaimie...we're all on to you now...
ReplyDeleteHa, come on dude, Suarez is not that pre-meditative. He doesn't go into one of the biggest matches of his life for his country...thinking about how to get away from Liverpool. That is absolutely absurd.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you just attract idiots :D
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ReplyDeleteI was answering the one hat-trick and he's a superstar comment. One Hat-trick against a team that probably couldn't climb past the English Division One does not necessarily make him PL material. Example? Mitroglou and his 4 hat-tricks last season. Please unruffle your feathers.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I have noticed Jaimie is that recently the likes tally on your facebook page has kind of sky rocketed! It was only on about 12000 a couple of weeks ago!
ReplyDeleteMy feathers are just fine, lol. I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, even you can see a vast difference between Shaqiri and Mitroglou (The teams and respective leagues)...
ReplyDeleteNo, he isnt...thats my point. There is no way to tell if Shaqiri will be able to handle the pressure besides his performances back at Basel. His form for Baryern was equally erratic, This World Cup was his place to prove that he can be consistent, and he failed. I'm not saying he would be a bad buy, as he obviously ooses talent at the seems, but there will always be a risk until he can prove himself. Guys like sanchez and Konoplyanka have been playing very very well and very very consistently for a while now, which is the main reason my gut says get Sanchez rather than Shaqiri.
ReplyDeleteOf course we ALL want Sanchez (well most of us in any case). Reports suggest that both are targets and not a one or the other situation. And both will definitely be better...
ReplyDeleteNot for 30M. That's way too much!
ReplyDeleteI think a better judgement would have been instead of the four months ban from football, a four months of therapy.
ReplyDeleteYup...though reports are pointing to Lallana -.- overrated, but solid nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteI like Lallana, but THAT fee is ludicrous! I cannot fathom how he is worth more than Sturridge...
ReplyDeleteThat's a bit of a debate about crime, punishment and rehabilitation. I generally agree, just hammering someone when they break the rules doesn't really do much. If fear of retribution is all that stops you from doing something wrong then the problem lies pretty deep. Shaming and torturing people by locking them up in prison doesn't do anything about the underlying reasons why people do the things they do. It actually makes things worse.
ReplyDeleteBut in this instance it's not as if they're locking him up. It might be hard for Suarez but it's not a cruel punishment. He's a multi-millionaire football player who is being excluded from the game for four months. That's not really a big deal and I think he'll be OK. That's time he's got to reflect on what he did and he'll do that with the support of his family and probably LFC.
Greece is in the final 16...so they don't all suck...but for a guy to get four hat tricks and then be declared unfit to play in the PL...for Fulham...who face it, didn't have too many other options...says a lot about Greek League quality to me. I do think Shaqiri has qualities...a but like Santi Cazorla for me...another short guy that performs well...but still Shaqiri is very short and I think he'd get pushed around in the PL. I guess we'll see.
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