Liverpool's pre-season schedule continues today against Norwegian club Valerenga, but one player who will be conspicuous by his absence is Luis Suarez, who is allegedly injured, and unfit to make the trip. How exceedingly convenient, especially when you consider identical stories being circulated about Gareth Bale and Wayne Rooney.
According the official LFC website:
"Luis Suarez will also remain on Merseyside as a precaution following an injury in training yesterday.
"He will undergo a scan on his foot later today"
It is massively coincidental that Suarez is suddenly 'injured' when the inferno of speculation surrounding his future is reaching melting point.
And it's not only Suarez who's suddenly pulled up lame. In the words of Hannibal Lecter:
"Surely the odd confluence of events hasn't escaped you?".
- Luis Suarez: Skipped Gerrard's testimonial dinner. Wants out of LFC. Injured.
- Gareth Bale: 'Unhappy and disappointed'. Wants out of Spurs: Injured.
- Wayne Rooney: 'Angry and confused'. Wants out of Man Utd: Also injured (!)
How dumb do these clubs think we are?
In my view, LFC, Man United and Spurs are not being honest here. Clearly, negotiations are taking place behind the scenes, and the players need to be available to talk to their prospective new clubs. There's also an element of asset protection - these clubs need to ensure there's no possibility of injury to their star players, something that could lower price tags, or event curtail deals.
Of course, this is all totally understandable, and I can see why LFC et al would use the 'injured' excuse. That doesn't mean, however, that we have to just accept the BS company line, and if you believe Suarez, Bale and Rooney are actually injured, you'll believe anything.
On a related note: I don't begrudge Suarez his desire to play Champions League football. As he states in his newest interview, he's 26 now, and wants to play at the highest level, and as hard as it is to accept, Liverpool are way off the pace. Additionally, if Brendan Rodgers did indeed promise to let Suarez leave if the club failed to qualify for the Champions League, then I can understand his current frustration.
My problem with Suarez continues to be his utter disrespect of LFC. Whether it's his numerous on-field transgressions, or repeated ill-advised statements off the pitch, Suarez has made a mockery of everything Liverpool FC stands for, and my criticism is always related to incidents that reflect badly on the club.
As regular readers will know, FIVE MONTHS before the deal even took place, I vehemently argued AGAINST signing Suarez, and in my article on the issue, I stated:
"If Hodgson signs Suarez, my support for him would dissipate instantly. He is the complete opposite of everything LFC stands for, and I have no doubt that he will cause problems for the club somewhere down the line, and those problems won't necessarily be cheating-related".
When Suarez signed, I felt so disheartened over LFC unashamedly selling its soul that I went on strike (from the site) for 8 MONTHS in protest at the deal (which delighted my detractors!)
Over the last 2.5 years, I've been entirely consistent with my views on Suarez, and predictably, I've received massive abuse from blinkered 'fans' who pigheadedly refused to accept that the striker is bad news for LFC.
Well, as the current situation proves, my concerns were correct, and I find it wonderfully ironic that the people who endlessly trashed me for criticising Suarez are now spouting the same views as me.
Liverpool were WRONG to sign Suarez. You reap what you sow, and the club has paid the price for subjugating its unique philosophy and long-held principles in the pursuit of success.
Jaimie Kanwar
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According the official LFC website:
"Luis Suarez will also remain on Merseyside as a precaution following an injury in training yesterday.
"He will undergo a scan on his foot later today"
It is massively coincidental that Suarez is suddenly 'injured' when the inferno of speculation surrounding his future is reaching melting point.
And it's not only Suarez who's suddenly pulled up lame. In the words of Hannibal Lecter:
"Surely the odd confluence of events hasn't escaped you?".
- Luis Suarez: Skipped Gerrard's testimonial dinner. Wants out of LFC. Injured.
- Gareth Bale: 'Unhappy and disappointed'. Wants out of Spurs: Injured.
- Wayne Rooney: 'Angry and confused'. Wants out of Man Utd: Also injured (!)
How dumb do these clubs think we are?
In my view, LFC, Man United and Spurs are not being honest here. Clearly, negotiations are taking place behind the scenes, and the players need to be available to talk to their prospective new clubs. There's also an element of asset protection - these clubs need to ensure there's no possibility of injury to their star players, something that could lower price tags, or event curtail deals.
Of course, this is all totally understandable, and I can see why LFC et al would use the 'injured' excuse. That doesn't mean, however, that we have to just accept the BS company line, and if you believe Suarez, Bale and Rooney are actually injured, you'll believe anything.
On a related note: I don't begrudge Suarez his desire to play Champions League football. As he states in his newest interview, he's 26 now, and wants to play at the highest level, and as hard as it is to accept, Liverpool are way off the pace. Additionally, if Brendan Rodgers did indeed promise to let Suarez leave if the club failed to qualify for the Champions League, then I can understand his current frustration.
My problem with Suarez continues to be his utter disrespect of LFC. Whether it's his numerous on-field transgressions, or repeated ill-advised statements off the pitch, Suarez has made a mockery of everything Liverpool FC stands for, and my criticism is always related to incidents that reflect badly on the club.
As regular readers will know, FIVE MONTHS before the deal even took place, I vehemently argued AGAINST signing Suarez, and in my article on the issue, I stated:
"If Hodgson signs Suarez, my support for him would dissipate instantly. He is the complete opposite of everything LFC stands for, and I have no doubt that he will cause problems for the club somewhere down the line, and those problems won't necessarily be cheating-related".
When Suarez signed, I felt so disheartened over LFC unashamedly selling its soul that I went on strike (from the site) for 8 MONTHS in protest at the deal (which delighted my detractors!)
Over the last 2.5 years, I've been entirely consistent with my views on Suarez, and predictably, I've received massive abuse from blinkered 'fans' who pigheadedly refused to accept that the striker is bad news for LFC.
Well, as the current situation proves, my concerns were correct, and I find it wonderfully ironic that the people who endlessly trashed me for criticising Suarez are now spouting the same views as me.
Liverpool were WRONG to sign Suarez. You reap what you sow, and the club has paid the price for subjugating its unique philosophy and long-held principles in the pursuit of success.
Jaimie Kanwar
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you must of sky sports yesterday, because they orginally came up this story
ReplyDeleteNot if you get 50 mil for him you wont
ReplyDeleteGood article and I'm a Spurs fan
ReplyDeleteSlightly disagree.... He has won us games and will bring us a huge profit to take the club forward.... However, I do agree he has tarnished the clubs reputation....difficult one....was it worth it?
ReplyDeleteI also do agree that the alleged 'injury' is a blatant cover up of reality
ReplyDeleteGreat article I hope the 'media' will get their beaks out of this transfer now and let Liverpool make tough choices and build for next season.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree with a lot of what you say Jamie I think that is a one sided viewe. The flip side being, we could make circa £20 million to reinvest from him and having him kick start our return to being a top club. Not to mention the pleasure in watching him knock in goals and take apart the worst team in Manchester
ReplyDeleteA huge profit does not make amends for the damage Suarez has done. Plus, in practical terms, profit makes no impact on LFC's ability to move forward. The club made massive profit on Alonso and Torres, but did it make any difference? No. The club went *backwards*
ReplyDeleteAt this stage I just want to be rid of him! The last thing the club needs is for Suarez to win some case against us showing Rodgers to be a liar, we're already having enough trouble attracting new players. The problem is even if we get 50 million(doubtful now) for him who's gonna come to replace him? Obviously there are options out there but now there's a good chance of being held to ransom and end up with Carroll mk2
ReplyDeleteI don't have a problem with Suarez leaving, I get that he wants CL football, and he is a top striker, so why shouldn't he have it. But the way he is going about it shows absolutely no class, and complete disrespect towards a club that back him through all his troubles.
ReplyDeleteBut whats more, is I don't see why Arsenal would now want him? What if Arsenal have a poor season (which the could), will he pull the same stunt with them? Quite possible! If I was Wenger, seeing all this, I would be saying "Actually, I think we might go with someone else, thanks though."
Agree, there is a financial benefit to the Suarez sale, but in reality, will it make any difference? Did the £40m+ profit on Alonso and Torres 'kick start LFC's return to being a top club'?
ReplyDeleteCant disagree with any of that. The best thing he'll do for us is get us 50mil.
ReplyDeleteHow is this "promise" to leave only surfacing now anyway? Reeks to high heaven for me.
As for the injury? Well its the old line anyway, nobody is expected to believe that.
Agents are dictating this transfer in my opinion, thats why no transfer request has come in, and these statements are being issued.
I think LFC are waiting for offers from abroad..but RM had cooled off their interest. I still believe real will come with a cheeky bid of around 30-35 mil and we should accept that or let him rot on the bench BUT dont sell to any premier league rival.
ReplyDeleteGreat article, glad not all Kopites suffer from tinted glasses. United Fan!
ReplyDeleteYou're going to love Diego Costa
ReplyDeleteI'll have that.... Still can't deny however, that he has ground out many a result for us with a moment of brilliance and without him many a game may have passed us by leaving us lower than than the appalling 7th that we finished?!
ReplyDeleteYes, you're right. Purely on footballing terms, Suarez is a joy to watch.
ReplyDeletemaybe if we were a club showing ambition it would not have come to this,but we have not shown ambition ,and doubt we will see much if or when he goes ,thanks for the memories suarez ,hope you get champions league ,because you could waste your entire carear here under fsg and not get it,no doubt in a season or to we will be going through the same scenario again ,when our next star comes along ,and also on the subject if rodgers has said this to suarez and its not the clubs line,he needs a severe reprimand ,and whoever let them put a small clause in the contract for a world class player needs sacking asap before he costs the club more money,if he did not have the clause the bidding would have been a lot higher or simply a no sale,the vulture are hovering ,also nice to see the comical side of john henry,hes a real comedian some of his one liners have me in stitches is latest is his best yet (we are not a selling club we are a buying club)the man should be on tour ,torres anyone
ReplyDeleteActually the stats have shown its only something like 4 points worse off.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to not caring what players did BEFORE they joined LFC?
ReplyDeleteI don't have a problem with physicality on the field, or wind-up merchants. I just hate cheating, diving etc.
ReplyDeleteI love the video on YouTube of him giving Pepe and Ramos a hard time. Minus the spitting though.
ReplyDeleteYou could also argue this was down to bad investment by dalglish, noteably carrol! However, with the correct shrewd transfers and the money being put toward the correct signings the resale profit of Suarez could turn the club a round
ReplyDeleteIf you buy a vicious animal and refuse to tame it, don't be surprised when it turns around and bites you
ReplyDeleteSorry, not having that for one minute, think of the amount of games where he was the solo scorer in a win or draw, he was by far our top scorer so am not having that his impact last season was 4points!
ReplyDeleteYou're still banging this drum? You are deliberately misrepresenting my views *again*. I don't care what players do before they come to LFC unless it is significant, i.e. CHEATING, or stunning infractions like biting.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who visits this site knows that I hate cheating above all else, so when a prospective LFC player has incidents of massive, unapologetic cheating in his past, that is a major concern.
Suarez was accused of lots of ancillary stuff prior to joining LFC (stamping etc), but I only focused on the stuff with real potential to damage LFC, i.e. cheating etc.
I'm pretty sure Jaimie did an article on it? It might not be 4 points, but it wasn't a lot.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think in terms of position in the league, it was a lot of difference, maybe 1 place?
Simple solution: don't buy the vicious animal in the first place.
ReplyDeleteYep, you're right: Suarez has made little difference to LFC:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2013/04/proof-luis-suarez-made-no-difference-to-LFC-this-season.html
A lot of stats are taken from games won when he plays and games won when he doesn't play.... As he played the majority of games the past two seasons apart from when he was banned, I don't see how any stat can be valid
ReplyDeleteYea I thought so, I was slightly off on points, but position wise, it didn't make a difference.
ReplyDeleteAgree BWalt. Whether the money is reinvested properly or not is not the argument. The fact is that we stand to make a lot of profit from this player. Any player bought and then sold on for more than we paid is a player worth having.
ReplyDeleteI think we make the mistake sometime of thinking that Suarez represents Liverpool. Gone are the days of players representing their clubs (but for the odd Stevie G n Carra). Players represent ... and embarrass themselves not their clubs these days.
I don't think it was a bad decision to sign Luis, being a game (taken more serious now a days) you have to take a gamble on certain players - Eric cantona was similar but a good manager can control them until such time the team has been built that will withstand that loss. I feel Suarez will be sold but I think we should keep him one more season with 3 years left we will not loose anything and if he wants to quit at the end of the season we would have bedded in our new players and maybe even signed a few more in jan. I think we have a good shot at improvement this season with all the new managers and teams taking time to adapt. Do you think BR was foolish enough to make that promise? That would have been very ambitious.
ReplyDeleteGood post, as a gooner part of my soul is feeling sick about the propect of signing of LS but he is a fantastic footballer and for the same reasons if I were a Liverpool supporter I would feel betrayed for sticking by him when my moral judgement said no.
ReplyDeleteThere is no doubt that if his skills were anything less than fantastic this whole mess would be simple.
ou have more clubs than tiger woods
ReplyDeleteif you carry on with a couple more posts i am sure you will be a lfc fan,you have changed your club 3 times in 5 posts;-)are you related to andy goram
ReplyDeleteour brendan telling lies i am not having that;-)
ReplyDeleteI read these articles interestingly as we are in similar positions regarding our best player although ours is trying his hardest to not make a huge public song and dance (probably because he knows how hard headed Levy can be). Anyway my main reason for commenting is an outsiders view of the position Liverpool appeared to put themselves in over his antics over the last couple of years. Now don't get me wrong he's hardly unique in what he has done but he seems to have ticked all the bad boy boxes at least once. Liverpool has stood by him when in my view they should have clammed up and got him to accept his punishment. Defending him like the club did has tarnished Liverpool's reputation in my view, and then he goes and stitches the club up and makes up all kinds of lame excuses about why he wants out. It's a shame and hopefully you will get a decent profit and move on. Anyway at least its stopped you moaning over us stealing all your targets for 5 minutes lol ! I hope our Bale saga is over soon and he leaves now with us pocketing a huge fee. Can't see him ever wearing our shirt with any real desire anymore.
ReplyDeletebawsa what club do you support,i have heard of glory hunters but this is ridiculas
ReplyDeleteI used to respect arsenal and arsene Wenger but now they show that they are no better than sewer mice........ they lament when nasri persie got sold cheap and now when they are trying to get our player on the cheap it's suddenly fair...... they are even worse sycophants than Suarez
ReplyDeleteBut you cant say it like this, suarez often "assisted assists" or scored the first goal, so the goalrain can begin. He's a class footballer, but he damaged our club badly, and I want nothing more than him out
ReplyDeletewe must stick to our guns and not allow him to go to the gooners, would be a massive own goal, just hope rm come back in for him
ReplyDeleteWhen Do people realise ramos spit at him?
ReplyDeleteits called life we do it all the time ,but if someone else as the nerve to do it to us,were up in arms
ReplyDeleteGeorge Best was 'heap big trouble' for Matt Busby and his teammates - would you have said the same about him had Liverpool been able to sign him? I'm not for one moment comparing the footballing skills of Luis Suarez and George Best but there is a parallel to be drawn when you address their troublesome natures and the excitement given to those supporters priveleged to watch them perform on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteBut I think you should let the matter find it's own resolution having made your views crystal clear. The bottom line is; he is one of the very few of late who will bring a financial profit (if sold) and help balance the idiocy of spending huge amounts on second rate players. That must surely be a positive!
How can Liverpool redress the bad publicity he has bought to our club? If and when he submits a transfer request to move on it should be rejected immediately. They should show the remainder of the EPL that a contract is binding on both parties and not something to be broken hastily by either side. Mr Suarez you will get no 'loyalty' money from LFC after your scurrilous summer rantings and disrespect shown to our great club.
Ok now lets get this thing done and quick. We need peace in our club, something we haven't had for years and years now.
ReplyDeleteOnly thing is WE CANNOT sell to Arsenal, simple as. What would you do Jaimie? Sell to Arsenal or wait for a higher bidder to pop up, knowing that that might not happen and we may found ourselves on September 1st with a player who doesn't want to be here but there's no bid that matches his value or our estimation. It's really a hard one...
sure butter wouldn't melt in his mouth!
ReplyDeleteits just pssing off he going to arsenal id rather we sell him to real for 20 mill ........ that way along with us even arsenal burn
ReplyDeleteit sure would not the man is a saint and never broken his word!
ReplyDeletei would rather get as much as we can ,on second thoughts lets just sell him abroad for 20mil,it,s not like we will see much of it anyway
ReplyDeletemy point exactly :P
ReplyDeleteOh no, I know that. But Costa keeps wiping his nose and flicking the snot at them. not very nice.
ReplyDeleteYea, I guess you can. I'm not denying his ability.
ReplyDeleteI too, just want him gone now.
There's no proof Rodgers has lied at this stage. And irrespective of what he allegedly said, I doubt it was malicious, or said with any intention of lying.
ReplyDeleteLet's just say Rodgers did say Suarez could leave if LFC failed to qualify for the CL. That in and of itself is not a binding agreement; Suarez is still contracted to LFC, and that is all the matters.
Jason - stop sniping. This is utterly irrelevant to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is a great player. But he also missed a lot of very easy chances (along with the rest of the Team. Thats why we dont have CL football.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that BR says he geared the team to Suarez' style of play. He might not get that elsewhere. Torres mk II?
Sell him to any club outside the prem.
£40,000,002 will do just fine.
Ironic that you use the phrase " banging this drum" in relation to Suarez . Well it is to me anyway.
ReplyDeleteI agree we've exhausted this one, although I was never convinced by any of your replies so far.This will be my last comment on the issue, since the inconsistency I believe you 've shown seems to be limited to a certain Mr Suarez, and he will soon no longer be relevant.
I do not believe that I'm am unfairly interpreting or certainly not deliberately misrepresenting your views. You state your view, I am surely well within my rights to interpret them as I see fit and to question them. You have certainly come out against us buying Suarez because of his "cheating/biting" etc before he joined, but then dismissed bad behaviour from other players as irrelevant ,since they are not yet an LFC player.
We will have to agree to differ on that one.
There will be no repeat of this issue from me
We are still a big club but our elite club status has been revoked.FERNANDO TORRES and now SUAREZ for me the best signings we've made in the last 10 years wanting to and already jumped ship to our rivals gives weight to my first sentence.
ReplyDeleteLIVERPOOL used to be the pinnacle of a football players career but now it's seen as a stepping stone for bigger and better things.If he goes to ARSENAL they'll be getting one of the best players in the world.
However he will cause problems and if they fail to make CL he'll strip give lap dances and do extras to try and secure a move to MADRID, JUVE, MILAN, BARCA or MUNICH.I hope COUTINHO isn't taking notes from SUAREZ on how to get out of LFC.
in all his time at liverpool suarez learned nothing from gerreard and carra .....hopefully coutinho will emulate gerrard and gerrard mentors him better than suarez....lol i now wish coutinho was english that way he would never want to leave ........fills me with a weird pleasure kelly ibe sterling henderson and sturridge are all english this way they will not leave the club hanging .....everyone may slate me for this but now kennys policy of buying english is starting to make sense .....he must have realised the english players would not leave pool hanging ....god bless that man
ReplyDelete@JK
ReplyDeleteI don't think liverpool were wrong to sign suarez when you look at the liverpool squad manage by RH AND KK. Do you think with the like of andy,downing,henderson and adam will keep liverpool 7 on the 0212/13 table?,i personally don't think so and that will be a moral disaster for the fans and club, what i do think is KK and RH have take the club backward with those player they sign. What's the reason for suarez who wanna go away,we 'll never really know but for sure it's more of the club certain player that hint the progression back to the top.
i think andy and hendo could keep pool in top 5 provided rodgers gave them a chance
ReplyDeleteJason give it a rest. You've said all this with no evidence to back up your claims. You always do it and you look silly.
ReplyDeleteLots of things trouble me with this latest outburst from Suarez.
ReplyDeleteHe is someone I have defended from the more unfair treatment he has received, and criticised for the frankly childish things he has done, like the biting.
Firstly, IF Suarez had a cast iron clause saying his buy out price was anything over £40m, provided it was from a CL club and not ManU, then tell me:
Why would you have cause to seek a verbal agreement from the Coach?
Secondly, Suarez himself now says he wants people to keep their word to him . Yet he apparently doesn't want to keep his own word: in February he said to the Daily Mail:
'But I want to say now that, if you want to know what will happen to me if we don't qualify for the Champions League, then I will say this: I have a contract with Liverpool and I am very happy here. I will stay.'
This is apart from apparently telling the club he would shake Evra's hand, and no doubt assuring the club he would behave after that debacle.
LFC should buy a replacement NOW. Someone like Jackson M from Porto. Or Costa,. Or Muriel. Sure, it's a lot of money. But FSG would have drawn their line in the sand. They then set a MINIMUM £60-65m fee and say to Suarez " you can go as soon as the fee is paid. IN CASH .
That would show who's bigger, FSG and LFC, or Luis Suarez....
Give him what he wants. Sell him to some Russian billionaire's team...like Shaktar or some other frozen wasteland that gets to the CL every year but ultimately fades. This is an opportunity for money and to let LS wonder about the saying, 'be careful what you wish for...you might get it.'
ReplyDeleteYou mean like Owen?
ReplyDeletewe should have traded him for mhiktaryan lol
ReplyDeletehe was one bad apple dude ...... :P ........ im talking in general .........amongst the current bunch id only single out sturridge for a move
ReplyDeleteAnd again: you deliberately and cynically misrepresent my view. There is no inconsistency, and this is evidenced by your contention that:
ReplyDelete"I've 'dismissed bad behaviour from other players as irrelevant since they are not yet an LFC player"
The *nature* of the behaviour is what matters here, and as I stated in my previous comment, I'm only interested in 'bad behaviour' that has the potential to damage LFC.
If a player commits bad fouls, talks about wanting to leave in the press etc *prior* to joining LFC, big deal. Why should I care? It doesn't affect LFC.
Suarez went on striker at Groningen before joining Ajax. Did I mention that at any point prior to his acquisition? No.
If any player linked with Liverpool has a significant history of cheating, I will be against the signing, just as I was with Suarez, and also Robben, who was linked with LFC a few years ago.
Stop twisting my views. Thanks.
you know if he wants to leave for champuions league lets sell him to atletico and take costa and munian in exchange he gets champs league and escape from english press atletico get falcao replacement and also the money to go for cazorla from falcao sale AND both clubs can watch arsenal burn as they lose their transfer target and star player
ReplyDeleteI don't think he's lying, and the fact that there is some strange clause under dispute in his contract would prove this. Why have a meaningless clause in a contract, that specifies a sum, yet does not supply a guarantee of action?
ReplyDeleteEither way, the team Liverpool was just before, and when he arrived, to what it is now is different. Big names played for the team, and since Suarez none of the signings have been recognizable, except for Toure maybe. Sure some have turned out good, Coutinho and Sturridge. Aspas looks to have a future.
Fact is you don't keep a player like Suarez by bringing in a bunch of no-name youngsters to support him, or displace him as the case of Sturridge.
If Liverpool were making a serious push for Champions League, or to attempt to win the league, there would be at least a couple of signings that you wouldn't need to google who they are to familiarize yourself with them.
What I do believe is that Liverpool are making a serious attempt to develop a strong squad, finding talents that they can nurture and bring results in a couple of seasons, proceeds from Suarez's sale should help on this end. It's a win win, Liverpool slowly work their way up, have double the money , Suarez gets Champions League.
It's too bad though, It would have been nice to a stronger push from the team to challenge for the top spots - see Tottenham's or Man City's transfers for an example.
It has also been disgusting seeing all these Liverpool fans begging Suarez to stay, after all he has done to disrespect the club.
ReplyDeleteFor how much did we sign him? How much did we pay him in wages? For how much are we going to sell him? How much did he contribute?
ReplyDeleteNo we were not wrong to sign him, he is wrong for wanting to leave.
There is some truth to that but that had more to do with the money made from Alonso and Torres not being invested in Alonso's case and not wisely being reinvested in Torres's case at least as far as the 35 million spent on Carrol go. On Suarez, we should only sell him if we get the money WE want for him. What sickens me about these situations with Suarez, Rooney and Bale it's that they expect their clubs to sell them at too low a price simply because they want to leave as if their clubs owe them something. Suarez has now come out and said he doesn't feel like a traitor because he scored 50odd goals for us in 100 games and because he stayed last year when he could have gone to a European top club. The way I see it, he was compensated for that by royal wages and tremendous loyalty from LFC supporters, well most of them anyway. So we owe him nothing, he owes us nothing but we should not have to sell him at less than he's worth. If Torres was worth 50 million and Ronaldo was worth 80 million, one of the best five players in the world should at least be something in between those figures. As for you "being right" - I stand by defending Suarez for the simple reason that 1. I do not believe he is racist 2. I believe he has been the victim of a xenophobic witch hunt by rule brittania dimwits and 3. He gave his all for us ever since he signed. Those things don't all of a sudden are less true just because he's acting a tit now.
ReplyDeleteJaime, have you seen what Steve Nichol has been saying??? I know that you are not a juke-box but I would love to hear your thoughts.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130807/exclusive-%E2%80%93-steve-nicol-claims-luis-suarez-%E2%80%98honourable-guy%E2%80%99-and-slams-li-2032?
Yeah he's one of those you would hate to have him as an opponent
ReplyDeleteWhich shrewd transfers? Sturridge was a benchwarmer at Chelsea and Coutinho at Inter. I think we payed a correct sum for them. I agree that their value has gone up since but at that time, anything more would have been severely overpaying. Let's not pretend their Hyppia and we paid a pittance for them. As for the summer deals, I agree that they are relatively low fees, except for Mignolet, but let's see how they do first. 7 million can be way too much if we get no return on our investment.
ReplyDeleteYeah. They're embarassing themselves all the way to the bank. The only people embarassed are the poor souls who 50 quid for a piece of fabric with these guys name on it that cost 5 quid to make. The guys who pay small fortunes to watch these superstars running around afraid to get their clothes dirty. It's a sad state the way people's loyalty is used to bleed them dry.
ReplyDeleteExactly. What Rodgers said is not important. What his contract says is. The only lie that Rodgers has told that is of any importance is that he expects us to sign two sensational players before the window shuts.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the article, it would be refreshing if clubs told the media the truth behind why some players get omitted from games when there's significant speculation in regards to transfers and their contract situations. I simply attribute it similarly to how I might tell a friend that everything is fine with me even when it's obviously not that way. Call it saving face, social norms, not publicly airing dirty laundry or whatever. Regardless, it is tedious and sometimes seems insulting to our intelligence.
ReplyDeleteI'm taking Suarez's assertion of a transfer agreement with the club last year with a grain of salt; however, BR reportedly had a gentlemens' agreement to not sign any Swansea players for at least a year and it didn't take him long to break that promise (assuming in fact it existed), so who knows.
Maybe we'll all have a laugh at Suarez's expense if he goes to Arsenal, they get knocked out in the group stage and then the team fails to qualify for the following season (even more so if LFC can somehow grind out a top 4 finish).
An interesting question is, since Suarez is calling on thec club's sense of morality, how did Arsenal and the media find out about a clause that was in his contract? I'm sure no one at the club told Arsenal so how did they know? From Suarez or his agent I would say.
ReplyDeleteWow...no one left at KT to swin...eumm..talk to?
ReplyDeleteeverywhere it seems his agent and advisors were encouraging bids of 40 million+
ReplyDeleteOn the up side, if he goes to Arsenal, we can take care of him ourselves the way we did with Torres. I just don't understand why he would want to go to Arsenal so much though. It's not like he's surrounded by better players there..
ReplyDeleteThere's a huge difference between what Rogers might have said and what LFC might have/not have said. What LFC says is whats important. But, in fairness, you are dead right. We definitely do NOT want clubs, players and the media getting hold of Rogers turning out to be a liar. More negativity? Jesus.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree. There really isn't anything that says for sure that he's not injured except your cynical point of view. I see no reason to dive into some conspiracy theory on this. We've had Suarez training, we had him come to Australia and SE Asia ... why now pull out some weird lie that he's injured? There isn't even a sensible explanation for it. We all know Suarez wants to go, so if he's refused to play or the club wants him isolated or are preparing to sell him, what purpose does it serve to make up a hopelessly transparent story about injury? I would suggest that you've got your brain stuck on seeing controversy in every angle on this story so that even a simple truth seems like an issue. It's nothing.
ReplyDeleteAs for what he's done to the club ... looks I'm as sick as this as anyone, but you yourself say the club will be fine without him. So where precisely is the problem? I mean the REAL problem, not the one where fans are a bit annoyed or embarrassed. We got a very good season out of him, player of year calibre stuff, and now if he goes we'll get a big cheque from his transfer. You're entirely optimistic about our chances after that so what is it that we are "reaping"? This continues to come down to your assertion that Suarez somehow damages the reputation of LFC and that this is both lasting and impacting on ... what? What is the impact of all of this except that we're all a bit bored by transfer speculation and sick of being told by Suarez that LFC isn't good enough for him?
he is just making excuses .......dog wants to get a higher salary i guess ...... wait till he stirs up another controversy .....then when the arsenal fans show him the same love they give bendtner we all can laugh at his face
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I can't speak for Rodgers' integrity on any matter, but as for not singing Swansea players ... I believe the agreement was that he wouldn't actively pursue a player that wasn't otherwise for sale. Joe Allen was subject to plenty of interest and if Liverpool hadn't taken him then I think someone else would have. He was clearly available for transfer at the right price, so in those terms it was OK for Rodgers to make the move. At least that's how I understand it.
ReplyDeleteFirst I'd like to see what happens when he comes to Anfield.
ReplyDeleteid trade my soul to the devil to watch stevie or carra slap him :)
ReplyDeleteThis was explained very well to me ... in England it's very much against the rules for an interested club to speak to a player who is contracted to another club. The clause in Suarez's contract could have been set up to allow him to speak with any club that bid over the known amount. That normally wouldn't happen, and it's not a small thing. To allow a player to talk to another team, discuss tactics and roles in the team, wages ... it's more than having his head turned, it's a serious start to something. So it's certainly not a meaningless clause to have added.
ReplyDeleteAlso the other question to ask is this: why would LFC allow a simple 40 million pound release clause in his contract? And if it were that simple, why are the club not letting him leave? Why are they so firm in their insistence that they don't have to sell? It's obviously not clear and I think it's quite likely that Suarez knows he's in a tough situation. He might feel like the spirit of his contract is not being honoured, but now he's finding out that it wasn't what he thought. He might be seriously pissed at his agent, who knows.
Brendan isn't lying....LIVERPOOL's official line is a lie. Brendon is the mouthpiece of Liverpool. He was employed to tow the PR line after the Kenny PR fiasco. Now Kenny, Kenny was speaking for Kenny.
ReplyDeleteReally excellent opinion article:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-loyalty
oh so it depends on who is doing the lying
ReplyDeleteand that imo is the main reason the king was sacked,he would not tow the line and fsg knew it
ReplyDeleteIt's getting boring. Liverpool still want to sell season tickets and shirts with Suarez's name on the back (worldwide) and any other proceeds they are making of his name. They obviously won't tell the truth immediately because there is still global money to be made on a daily basis in the meantime. Everytime LFC say 'definately staying' another 50 shirts with his name on the back get sold by the exploited nieve. Business is Business.
ReplyDeleteyou show me evidence of there ambition ,and please do not go on about spending a few bob in when they 1st came its the very least you would expect from new owners even h&g did
ReplyDeleteno he was sacked because his signings were shocking and so were the results and everyone knows that
ReplyDeletejaimie this is not sniping ,his name came up on five different posts all saying he supported another club,its a bit of fun ,now the names of the posters have been changed,hence you have deleted my tigerwoods comment at least at the last count 6posters got it as they liked it,i cannot help it if the discuss is having problems and put the same name up to comments from different posters supporting different clubs ,
ReplyDeleteAt the time that the contract was signed, 40m would not represent a low amount. If Torres went for 50m and had bagged in a few 20+ and 30+ goal seasons, 40M for suarez who scored a season high of 11, and 7 in half a season would seem reasonable. Might be they are using ambuguity in the contract to refuse to let him go for 40m, as last season's performance proved he is worth more.
ReplyDeleteOn the bright side for Liverpool he did what so many were asking, state what his true intentions/desires are. This could possibly trigger a bidding war and get other teams involved - get liverpool more money, and maybe see him go out of England.
I really can't see what the value of talking to a club would represent if it can't force a move. This clause is fishy.
Where as i agree with what you have posted in that article. Please also remember that the table shows if you remove all top scorers away from their team and not only if you remove only Suarez.
ReplyDeleteCase in point would be
"f we take the game when Liverpool beat Norwich 5-2, Luis Suarez scored a hat-trick. So if you take his goals out, the game looks like a draw BUT Norwich's leading scorer Grant Holt also scored one goal for his side. This means the net score would have been 2-1 to Liverpool and Suarez's heroics resulted in a net contribution of zero points"
So i would suggest (not based on facts but just opinion) his difference to LFC would be higher, in terms of LFC playing with or without Suarez last year
Will do. Having no ambition is spending NO money at all. FSG are showing ambition by, spending money on transfers, going ahead with stadium redevelopment. "Spending a fee bob" I think you should go away and add the figures up since they've came in. With FFP coming in we've spent quiet alot without CL behind man city and Chelsea ONLY who have CL.
ReplyDeleteimo they were worse and suarez they really took the micky,at least if suarez goes we get a decent some ,and if it is only 40million you cannot blame him he did not draw the contract up
ReplyDeleteit is not here yet they have spent nothing on the stadium we will pay for that when ff play comes in it will come out of the money we make not fsg
ReplyDeleteso why did rodgers still have a job after xmas his record was comparable to roys he got sacked,but you do not sack a man who will get all the flack and never question the bosses
ReplyDeleteAgreed, it's an unusual clause that is not clear, but I'm not convinced Suarez hasn't made a mistake. He says he thinks he can leave, but he's also come out in the past and said he wants to stay at Liverpool for many years. He's not going to submit to an interview to the british media and not tell the story his way. What kind of sucks is that we'll never know. And honestly, I'd really like to know if our club is being dishonest. If what Suarez says is true we're being assholes.
ReplyDeleteYour wrong again, making the plans,planning permission, all cost money. They are also buying youth players that's more money on top. And yes but in the long run it will benefit LFC.
ReplyDeleteSince I made my previous undertaking , that will be the final word on this matter whether I have counterarguments or not. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteit was not a snipe give a perso a chance to defend himself
ReplyDeleteAgreed - its about time he goes; even if he stays, it would still only be a matter of time before he looks for greener pastures, at which point his value will probably drop.
ReplyDeleteThe difference with this case and the Torres/Carroll case is Torres was sold with only days left in the window, so LFC had to make a knee jerk reaction; lets just hope that FSG has learned from that, and have already lined up someone (or two) to replace Suarez - even if the replacement/s is not of the same individual quality as Suarez, if he/they can help the team play better then I would see that as a positive signing.
if you say so m8 they have invested billions are you happy now get them out then we will take again
ReplyDeleteAny new owner coming in cant spend billions. Because of FFP. Even if we did get new owners we would still have the same money given. Now stop with the FSG slamming because its out of order.
ReplyDeleteNicol says Suarez is honourable and LFC are in the wrong.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't change.
great link m8 ive said countless times rodgers should speak less and this time is mouth could end up costing him his job
ReplyDeleteits not out of order i cannot help it if your love for fsg is stronger than it is for the club do not bother posting me again
ReplyDeleteNo, just I see the bigger picture you don't, you live in a world where you think we can all splash 100 million in one window when we can't, if we was in CL then we would have extra revenue from it which stands at 40 million. But we don't.
ReplyDeleteThis comment just shows your baseless antipathy towards Rodgers. BR's record was in no way comparable to Hodgson.
ReplyDelete* Under Hodgson: Just after new year, LFC were in 12th place with 25 points (11 points off 4th), and playing comparatively ineffective (and dull) football.
* Under Rodgers: LFC were 8th, with 31 points, only 7 points away from 4th, playing expansive, progressive, exciting football.
The major difference is that no evidence existed under Hodgson to suggest things would improve. The positive signs were (and are) obvious under Rodgers, and the club's top 3 form in the second half of the season proves this.
Why would FSG possibly sack Rodgers after only six months in charge? I feel it was wrong to sack Hodgson so quickly, and the ridicule he received from fans was disgraceful, but there's simply no credible comparison between RH and BR.
The only thing they have in common is wasting a bit of money on duff signings, but Rodgers has proven that he can spend money effectively. I doubt anyone believed Hodgson would spend LFC's transfer funds properly.
It is out of order. Because you have no reasons to slate them. When they DO back us. Also what are you on about? Because I put facts which prove im right and you wrong that I love FSG more than liverpool? Yeah because that makes sense not. I'm happy with FSG because they have liverpool best interest, plus as a fan how I saw them development Red Sox in America shows that over time we will get there.
ReplyDeleteIt's a bit of an enigma, hard to know where things really lie. Trouble is seems the club keep changing their stance on the figure. If theres a 40m clause,, then they say they want Cavani money, then Bale money. I believe Suarez has been playing the game in not saying anything until now to let Liverpool get the most, but as things draw to a close and stance firmer, amount needed higher, this will act as a catalyst to get things moving.
ReplyDeleteHe is worth more than Cavani, and arguably better than Bale. Situation could have probably been handled better by all parties.
hmm... Looks like Suarez wants out of Liverpool this August transfer window. We only got 3 or 4 more weeks to get a direct replacement for him. Who would you like to see Lfc attempt to sign, Jamie? 1. L.Damiao. 2. J.Martinez. 3. D.Costa. 4. A.Muriel. 5. O.Cardozo. 6. P.Osvaldo. 7. A.Sanchez. I wish we bought Mario Gomez...
ReplyDeleteNot bee on here for a long while but good article Jaimie
ReplyDeleteMy fave bit was:
ReplyDelete'Suárez, however, is a particularly spectacular example when you think back to those days when he talked about vendettas, mistranslations, miscarriages of justice, a media "controlled by Manchester United", and there would be a stampede of fans running to his defence, like ants, lapping it all up and blindly attacking anyone who saw him for what he was (incidentally, it will be a pretty bleak day when the Press don't criticise someone for using racist language).'
Summed up my 'pinch of salt' attitude with anything Suarez said from the moment he was here. He played it somewhat well though I admit in his earlier days here, getting the fans onside with the attack on pantomime villains (FA, media, man united, etc).
Loyalty means almost very little these days and whatever show of loyalty there is, there is a good chance it is just for 'show', a empty gesture.
and what about the begging of december i may have put it wrong saying xmas,but in december he was basically on the same points
ReplyDelete'At the time that the contract was signed, 40m would not represent a low amount'
ReplyDelete'Might be they are using ambuguity in the contract to refuse to let him go for 40m, as last season's performance proved he is worth more.'
Ditto.
you called it man.
ReplyDeleteNicol is not a fan of Rodgers, and (IMO) he's defending Suarez here to indirectly have a pop at Rodgers. In his comments, he completely buys into Suarez's side of the story, and claims Rodgers is in the wrong for not being truthful etc. It's all politics. If Dalglish was in charge, Nicol would be slating Suarez right now.
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing cynical about this article, and nothing is made up. Your hostility is shining through once again. If Suarez is 'injured', why did he train alone at Melwood this morning? He is not injured. It is a fabrication.
ReplyDeleteI read this piece of news today mate here's the link
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/03/real-madrid-uefa-financial-fair-play
Now looking back at Torres scenario, Torres is better than Suarez. At least he didn't cause much problem to the club before he leave but Suarez...I don't even want to say it. My respect for Suarez is utterly gone. R.I.P LOYALTY.
ReplyDeleteIF you believe everything Suarez is saying then I have a bridge I wanna sell you!! Don't complain about JK been against Suarez and you are doing the same with BR. You and Steve Nicol should take your anti BR stance somewhere else. King Kenny had his chance and it did not work out. He got 15 Million Quid for his problems.
ReplyDeletehahaha
ReplyDeleteGood article Jamie, like you i feel somewhat vindicated re my views towards Suarez also, i also had my reservations about Suarez & said as much on a different forum before we bought him, i just knew it wouldn't work out but was willing to allow him the chance to prove himself esp because we had lost Torres and the mood was somewhat deflated....
ReplyDelete& its been one hell of a rollercoaster ride ever since......lowest point being the Evra saga, which saw me lose complete respect for Suarez and left me with a few concerns over KK and perhaps his naivety......
Taken us all for a ride im afraid (Suarez>>), & at the end of last season i had nigh on lost any enthusiasm about this season simply because the scenario i dreaded the most was yet another season of Suarez (and a few others..) playing under BR again and allowing the wheels to come off completely, it wasn't working, no winning momentum.... and i hoped that the Club would either move BR on or get rid of a few key players who were IMO letting the Club down badly......
It looked very much to me that a return of Rafa was on the cards, something i felt that certain players might have been... how shall i put it....hoping for.................i even resigned myself to it happening as i didn't think that the Club had the balls to out certain players esp Suarez & being a Liverpool fan i was not prepared to boycott the Club over which direction the Club was going in....i wasn't happy about it but it did represent a way out of our "underperforming...."
Fact is Suarez has indeed shown probably his worst side at Liverpool, not just once or twice but quite regularly....it hasn't been a pleasant journey & looks to be getting a lot worse.....
Quite shocked but pleasantly surprised that at last the Club is dealing with him (Suarez)in a strong manner as well as others like him who don't/didn't want to be here...., i do believe he wanted to leave a bomb of sorts under the Club after he left in the form of him fcuking off to Arsenal last minute.com for as little as possible, i also believe he is manically manipulative and has been aware of everything he did to court controversy, the Ivanovic bite seemed like a way of damaging his value even more whilst saying fcuk you to the Club........
With Reina gone, Skrtel following & Suarez clearly well gone (in the head at least...):) my enthusiasm for next season builds every day, have to give big kudo's to Henry and everyone at the Club for being patient and finally doing what i think is absolutely right for the Club, not going to get too carried away, but i am feeling much more proud & happy with my Club, very much looking forward to the coming season.
Hopefully once this Suarez saga is sorted (the sooner the better) we can all start looking forward to seeing what BR can really do when the playing field of Anfield is level once again.
Well looks like their are going to be some disappointed people on this forum as the PFA Chairman Gordon Taylor has confirmed that Liverpool DO NOT have to sell Suarez.
ReplyDeleteQuoted from Gordon Taylor this evening.
"If you are going to have a supposed buy-out clause it should be
that, but it is different as it says if there is no qualification for
the Champions League [by Liverpool] and if there is a minimum offer of
£40million then the parties will get around the table to discuss things
but it does not say the club has to sell.
"It quite clearly states £40million is a minimum offer for discussions, but it becomes really difficult with such clauses.
"There is a 'good faith' clause in relation to serious discussions but I can't say it is cast-iron buy-out clause."
It is pointless arguing with Carr71.
ReplyDeleteEven if Liverpool went out and broke every transfer record in the world and purchased some of the best players in the world and build a 100,000 seater stadium he would still say FSG have no ambition.
If Liverpool Won the domestic Treble this season breaking every record there is, Carra71 would still complain and say we have made no progress.
He has become a parody of himself and nothing he says any more can be taken seriously.
The really sad thing is that he posts the same old tired story on a number of websites.
Sorry but in all fairness to Jamie, he was dead against the signing of Suarez from day 1 and made his feelings perfectly clear and has continued to do so regardless of how well Suarez has played.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Best problems were off the field of play, I do not recall him ever going on strike, biting players or being accused of being a racist.
ReplyDeleteAlso George Best was twice the player of Saurez.
We haven't been the pinnacle of players careers for nearly 20 years now.
ReplyDeleteI really wish people would stop banging the same old drum
Owen was/is a weasel,and lt was not all Macca's fault, Liverpool share a lot of blame on that one.
ReplyDeleteI guess you've been right all along about Suarez Jamie. I've only been to your site for the past 1 year plus so I didn't know about your previous views. What really saddens me is how everything is all turning ugly like it did for Torres. I guess we'll find out soon enough if Rodgers did promise to let him leave if we didn't get top 4. If yes at least he wasn't BSing about that, but the whole English media was definitely BS if he goes to Arsenal. The weird thing is what's your opinion on why Wenger would want this problematic player? Does he believe he can discipline him in this world of modern footballers. It would be ironic if he goes there and they fall out like Tevez did at City.
ReplyDeleteI'm not banging any drum stating a fact that highlights my frustration at the situation we find ourselves in.You don't have to be a grown up with intelligence for that to register GHOST RIDER but it helps!
ReplyDeleteYou cant really say that though, unless we played that whole game with only 10 players. If Suarez is not in the side we would have an other striker, so who knows what the score would be. Its an unwinnable argument. What is evident though is that we didn't miss Suarez when he was out at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteEven a broken watch is correct twice a day.
ReplyDeleteThe problem here JK is that you take everything as an insult. When I say the article is cynical it's a simple statement of fact. Go look up the definition of the word, you're good at that. Stop taking everything as a personal attack. You might be 100% right in this instance but saying your point of view is cynical is 100% factual. It's not an insult or a put-down or an attack. It's simply the right word to use in this instance. You're the one who turns it in to something hostile in your mind.
ReplyDeleteI didn't mention sturridge or coutinho as 'shrewd' signings, I merely said, with the correct shrewd signings, as in future not present! Although for an English talent, and a striker, bench warmer or not £12mil was good business as every1 already knew his talent from when Bolton had him on loan as a centre forward! As for continho, 8.5mil could have been a gamble, but it's certainly paid off
ReplyDeleteLooks like Nicol has backed the wrong horse yet again. I can't remember the last time he said anything worth much I think you're right about his pro KD anti BR stance
ReplyDeleteWell, the word is in.
ReplyDeleteThere is NO buyout clause, just like LFC and Rodgers said
Suarez said in Feb AND April, without prompting from LFC , that he would stay even if we didn't qualify for the CL
Suarez said he didn't want to stay in England.
Rodgers has said there were absolutely NO promises made or broken .
Suarez NOW wants us to believe there IS a buyout clause, just like he leaked to Arsenal. He now wants to stay in the UK for 'many years' , the PL is the best league in the world, not La Liga, that CL is now the most important thing, and Rodgers and others PROMISED him he could leave just before he signed a new vastly improved contract.
I know who I believe.
FSG- BUY HIS REPLACEMENT NOW!!! And only sell him abroad, unless we get £65-70m. Let's see Arsenal pay that.
Another very interesting piece of information on Suarez from the PFA chairman Gordon Taylor, via the Independent:
ReplyDelete"There is a clause in there that if Liverpool do not qualify for the Champions League and then they receive a minimum offer of £40m, then the parties will 'agree in good faith to discuss and negotiate in good faith' and see what transpires," Taylor said. "It is not a straightforward buyout clause and the contract is open to different interpretations. It doesn't say there is an automatic trigger for a move."
So pretty much what has been said all along. People might think it's weird, but in a sport where "tapping up" is seen as a problem, allowing a player to talk to another club prior to a deal being agreed is not insignificant. Liverpool have promised to consider offers over a certain amount and not simply refuse.
If the report is correct then LFC are 100% in the right and Suarez has nothing to complain about. The bid from Arsenal is the minimum that must be considered. It was considered and immediately rejected. That is "in good faith" and it's as much as the club are obliged to do. They are fully within their rights to value the player higher according to what is happening in the current market (Falcao, Cavani, Bale) and also within their rights to refuse to sell to their closest rival for a CL spot.
Suarez wasn't a big name outside Holland and Uruguay when he signed. He's had one-and-a-half good seasons as the main striker for a team in transition. If we weren't living in la-la-land, which we clearly are, he'd not be regarded as a fully proven player yet. He's not much more than an up-and-coming potential star himself.
ReplyDeleteWho knows, maybe he'll get found out in the Champion's League should he get to play there: maybe his mediocre pace, selfishness, and poor discipline will lead to a rapid decline in his status should be make it to Madrid, or wherever he wants to go.
The fact is that Liverpool will still be here challenging for trophies years, decades, after Suarez is little more than an amusing anecdote, a distant memory, which we'll laugh to remember when we talk about the ones who never quite made it.
We didn't just make this injury story up, Suarez limped off after a few minutes training , while it was obviously another one of his snide moves i guess we still have to take him at face value on it & go through the motions.Totally disgusted with his antics, the guy has no boundaries when it comes to getting what he wants
ReplyDeleteAs Liverpool fans we're getting everything we deserve. We shed our morals time after time in support of this guy like a spat on Justin Bieber fan. Except we're not 14 years old. We just acted like it. He's lied and conned his way into our affections when it suited him and we were fine with it. Now we see the flipside. The ever changing stories, the disrespect, the selfishness, the willingness to blame anyone but himself. There was a clear pattern set here early on and we didn't just ignore it, we made t shirts celebrating it. I don't care about anyone on here's convoluted and inconsistent arguments, his behaviour, his character and his very ethic is clear. The man simply cannot behave with any class whatsoever. We owe Patrice Evra an apology.
ReplyDeleteA real show of strength right now would be to simply buy his replacement, just pull the trigger. Of course the club is reluctant to spend where they don't need to but in the long term there is no future at this club for Luis. He could be forced to stay only another year so what would we lose by finding his replacement now? In another year he still goes for the same amount of money, so the only difference between spending now and spending later is the extra year of having to pay his salary. It's no small amount of money, but in terms of sending a strong message to Luis, and to the football world at large, it's the best way to show very much how Liverpool can do without him. The scouting team clearly have a list of players who we think can replace him, so let's just do it, get that player now and Luis can be dealt with in good time.
ReplyDeleteThe worst case scenario right now for Luis is precisely that: LFC would no longer need him, but he's still contracted and we're under no pressure to sell. He'd have zero choices and can either grow up and take his role in the team, work for LFC and give just as much as last season, or he can sit on the bench. Some players might be happy for the money, but for Luis that kind of treatment would eat him alive from the inside. Show him what he's facing and then give him a simple choice: earn your place or submit to a year of hell.
After the statement from Rodgers I have a better feeling about the club. He's said precisely the right thing, and now that needs to be backed up by action. This club is big enough to move forward without Suarez and even without his transfer fee. Show that to the world and you'll win serious admiration.
I think there is still some room for simply admiring him as a footballer. Keane and Cantona were both lunatics, but they also both captained United during a period of domination in the PL. I think there is an understanding you can come to that guys like that have issues and questionable morals but they are also simply very effective football players. I'd agree that fans who thought of Suarez as some kind of hero, some kind of exceptional person, were just over-eager and probably now feel very foolish. I've defended Suarez from time to time, simply giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I've never thought he was anything other than a talented footballer with a naive approach to life. I'll defend my right to think that, and continue to admire his talent, his determination and his ability. Whatever else he does, you can't really take that away from him.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with this. The club have a chance to prove that Liverpool won't be toyed with, I'd challenge them to take it. Why bother waiting anymore?
ReplyDeleteLOL..
ReplyDeleteSays the person who has to capitalise words for no apparent reason.
The drum you are banging is the same one many Liverpool fans beat. Liverpool has great History, We Used to be this, We used to be that, guess what, its history.
What matters is the present, not the past and at them moment we are no longer a top team hence why we will struggle to attract top players.
At least Chelsea was prepared to pay and Torres put in a transfer request and the whole transfer was resolved. Suarez flogged himself to the market soon after the season closed and we have a cheap skate Arsenal who wants to buy big but cannot afford to pay.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is very deceitful, twisting and turning words to suit himself. He should go find himself a club who can pay big time. Liverpool will sell when the price is good, say 50m and above. So, he can't blame LFC but Arsenal and clubs who are not willing to bid for him.
Since Arsenal and Suarez wants to play games, LFC should sit on him if the price is not right and be prepared not to play him if he still behaves disrespectfully like Tevez and Man City. Suarez loves playing football and next year is a World Cup year, so, he will be frustrated.
Suarez should be thought a lesson.
Apologies, I misread your post. I think 12 million was a correct price for Sturridge. If he stays fit this season and scores anything over 20 his value will double though and I believe he can do it IF he can stay fit. I like his no nonsense finishing.
ReplyDeleteI agree about him being consistent. But Suarez now being a nomark doesn't mean that every negative thing he ever said, and every post he ever made about Suarez is correct
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely spot on. The perfect solution. Suarez loses his power, as our only truly top class scorer ( unless Sturridge stays fit).
ReplyDeleteWe show him and the world that we will not be pushed around, and the final nail in the coffin for those who say FSG won't spend money despite having the 3rd highest net spend per season in the Prem .
We get the possibility that Suarez will apologise and play well, or recoup at least £40-m to repay the fee FSG paid to get his replacement.
Perfect.
Out of 160+ comments excuse me for mentioning our history in half a sentence.That's really banging the drum:-) GHOST RIDER are you the caps lock police, get a life!
ReplyDeleteYou insulted me before on another topic and i let it go but today you're getting swatted like the annoying fly you are.
Let me educate you capital letters are not linked to intelligence.Your words of wisdom are going down like a bungee jump with no rope.I have no idea why i'm responding to a person who names themselves after a movie lol.
This playground interaction is over because I'd get more sense out a patient in comatose state!
You name yourself after a movie and you laugh at me for using capitals.Have you had a bad experience with capital letter GHOST RIDER? Call the caps lock investigation team i'm sure they will help you.
ReplyDelete160+ comments and mentioning our history in half a sentence.That's really banging the drum.I'm really fixated on the past.
LMAO...
ReplyDeleteFirst off I chose the name as I have always loved Marvel Comics, nothing to do with the god awful film :)
Also I seemed to have really struck a nerve haven't I.
I wouldn't worry about it, Once you ask a Liverpool Fan to stop bringing up the clubs history at any opportunity and concentrate on the present they always react like you.. anger :)
Beast and Ghost Rider - stop winding each other up please.
ReplyDelete"Liverpool were WRONG in signing Suarez"
ReplyDeleteI don't support this view. IMO the club and the manager failed in controlling a guy who was surrounded with controversies.. He was a great signing alright, with the motive of cracking the CL spot. But we needed an autocratic dictatorial manager to handle Suarez. Someone like Van Gaal or Morinho(couldve never signed him, that's a different issue). Sometimes I feel BR isn't capable of stamping his authority on egoistic players..
Maybe injuries are a symptom of disloyalitus?
ReplyDeleteWell said. I hated it, absolutely hated it the way everything played out in the Suarez-Evra saga and I didn't show great support for him during that period on here but unsurprisingly, a lot of fans lapped it up as it gave them a chance to back a top player (who is one of our rare good players) against the so-called establishment and media (who we often like to criticise). It was a shame really but from his point of view, he played it well at the time and sucked most of us in, regarding a matter that should have been treated with much more care and attention by all connected it to LFC, instead of the silly tribal bias most of our fans showed it. He definitely suckered me in at the time, in that I thought he was naive, even though I didn't defend him much. But imo, he isn't naive, he is cunning, off as well as on the pitch.
ReplyDeletethat........and he wasted money. Kenny wanted complete control over transfers...which he got. Comoli was then given the role of negotiating the deals which he did badly, but his original role was to identify young reasonably priced players and give them to a 'head coach'. Even if kenny had decided to toe the line he would never have fit the 'young aspiring continental head coach' tag. Unless he reached the top 4 after having his way on transfers his days were always going to be numbered.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing BR has on his side (to FSG's credit) is the fans will never call for Kenny to replace any manager we have. Without being heartless to a footballing legend he did cast a very large and very much earned shadow and as long as the fans knew he was interested in the job no present manager was going to be given a decent crack without a section of our fans calling for the return of the king if ever things on the pitch went wrong.
He had his chance, we move on...... No man is bigger than the club and all that... whats your views?
i have said many times if rodgers has got another season after the last one ,kenny deserved another
ReplyDeleteHe wipes the spit off his face and flicks it back at Ramos.
ReplyDeleteYoure not going forward you deluded idiot. You need more than one player of quality in order to do so, and the player in question has stated he is too good for you, which im afraid say is bang on the money. Time to start over from scratch and accept some home truths. Youve been going backward for a while now and until some major investment rolls in, expect europa league football as the best youre gonna get for a long while to come. Be happy with it. A club of your quality should be slightly more realistic about things
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