12/08/2010 06:31:00 pm

Football Cheats: Luis Suarez - 10 reasons why LFC should not sign him...

Luis Suarez at Anfield? The very idea fills me an overwhelming feeling of nausea. The story is probably made up media BS but I want to offer a few reasons why Liverpool should NOT sign brazen, unapologetic cheats like Suarez.

10 reasons why Liverpool should not buy Luis Suarez.

1. He's a CHEAT.

2. He's an unapologetic CHEAT.

3. He's a very deliberate CHEAT.

4. He has no concept of sportsmanship because he's a CHEAT

5. As proven at the World Cup, Whatever the level of football, whatever the consequences, he will CHEAT.

6. As long as his team gains an advantage, he will CHEAT.

7. He has the poisonous mindset of a CHEAT.

8. Once an CHEAT, always a CHEAT.

9. Has no feeling for the integrity of the game because he's a CHEAT.

10. Did I mention he's a CHEAT?!

Suarez's gloating comments about his deliberate handball at the World Cup tell us everything we need to know about him:

"The Hand of God now belongs to me. Mine is the real Hand Of God. I made the best save of the tournament. Sometimes in training I play as a goalkeeper so it was worth it. There was no alternative but for me to do that and when they missed the penalty I thought 'It is a miracle and we are alive in the tournament'.

"Now we are in the semi-finals although I was very sad because no one likes to be sent off. The celebration afterwards was impressive, but very quiet because nobody gave us a chance but, with courage, we move forward."


This kind of mindset represents everything that's wrong with modern football. What makes it worse is enabling fans who justify cheating, and come up with excuses to condone it.

Why would Liverpool - or its fans - want a player with such a grotesque attitude to fair-play representing the club? Does he get a pass because he's a good player? As long as the player is good, he can be the biggest cheat in the world? I absolutely hate that kind of thinking. I personally don't care how good a player is - if he's a deliberate cheat, he shouldn't be signed.

I can't stand to see Liverpool gain any kind of advantage as a result of cheating. I take no pleasure from it whatsoever, and I would rather lose a game than win it as a result of cheating.

There are cheats everywhere in football, but the majority of small-time cheats are small fry compared to big-league cheats like Suarez, who are willing to do it at the highest level, irrespective of the consequences.

If Hodgson was to sign Suarez, my support for him would dissipate instantly. He is the complete opposite of everything LFC stands for, and I have no doubt that he will cause problems for the club somewhere down the line, and those problems won't necessarily be cheating-related.

In my view, any fan who supports the signing of Suarez is complicit in the collective and continued acceptance of cheating in modern football.

Zero tolerance on cheating in football
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That's the only way forward. And fans have to lead the way...

EDIT: 10 November 2011 - My view on Suarez has not changed; he cheated at the World Cup. However, he is now a Liverpool player so it's my duty to support him, and hope that he doesn't revert to cheating in the future

Jaimie Kanwar





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199 Comments :

Nickname said...

We agree, I don't want him at Liverpool either, but not coz he cheated but coz he isn't good enough.

He was punished by the full letter of the law, I see nothing wrong with that, what I hate are cheats who get away with it.

xabi23 said...

Well said. He's a real prick, as shown with the latest 'biting' incident.

clueless kanwar said...

how did he cheat?

ad said...

we like cheats at liverpool.pis off man

ad said...

anyway we should have players>if he can cheat to bring back trophy i'll like him.as if u have never cheated man.suarez is a good player.roy plz buy him.

Project_Payback said...

Ten reasons to suspect Jaimie:

1. He's a LIAR.

2. He's an unapologetic LIAR.

3. He's a very deliberate LIAR.

4. He has no concept of balance or fairness because he's a LIAR

5. As proven on this site that he is a LIAR.

6. As long as continues to lie, he will be a LIAR.

7. He has the poisonous mindset of a LIAR.

8. Once an LIAR, always a LIAR.

9. Has no feeling for the integrity of the civil discussion because he's a LIAR.

10. Did I mention he's a LIAR?!

Sam said...

And who cares if he's a cheat! he didnt cheat england out of the world cup so i couldnt care less he's one of the best strikers in the world why the hell should we not try and sign him.

Redfella said...

Lets not forget Joe Cole dives and cheats something he obviously learnt at Chelsea under Mourinho considering even Sean Wright-Phillips was at it whilst playing for them.

And in all fairness Steve G dives and tries his own Pires style by leaving or moving his so called tripped leg at the opponents foot.

Back on topic though I actually think in the same situation I would have saved it on the line as its just a natural reaction in my opinion. However one should apologise and show some remorse at his actions.

Brian - Ormskirk said...

Give it to us straight Jaimie. Would you sign him or not ??

Markus said...

Steven Gerrard cheats all the time, he is probably the biggest diver in the EPL since Ronaldo left for Real ... and he captains LFC ... so what is your opinion on him?

Polo said...

i would sign him because it would annoy jamie

Yewo said...

If nobody ever cheated we wouldn't really need a referee. Players routinely claim for corners, throw ins etc that blatantly aren't theirs- cheating. It's all about pushing the rules to the limit. In an ideal world I agree it would be great if everyone played by the rules but the fact is it's dog eat dog.

If one of our players stopped a certain goal in an important match with his hand and the subsequent penalty was missed then I would be delighted. The blame lies with the player that missed the penalty. The player committing the handball is well aware of the consequences (a red card and a penalty) but is prepared to take them in order to help his team mates. In the same situation any of the Ghana players would have no doubt done the same with the difference being Forlan would have buried the penalty and it would have all been forgotten.

WTF? said...

Shearer, Pires, Robben, Ronaldo, Drogba etc. No cheat = No league. Sad but true.

Luke said...

10 reasons but you give only ONE incident!? Your right there is to much diving, conning and cheating in the game and I cant say i know much about him but what i can say is if i was in the same situation in a quarter final of the biggest competition for the REDS... id do exactly the same.. its natural instinct!!

John said...

Do shut up his goal scoring record speaks for its self players cheat every week its part of the modern game like it or not. he's a quality player i see no reason not to try and get him in young highly rated deffo work a go.

Redfella said...

Dont talk utter daft.

I accept Steven goes down easy to gain an advantage but to call him the bigest diver in The Premier League is ludicrous.

Do you know Drogba still plays?? And Nani??? And Rooney(dived a few times for pens) and Anichebe(always at it just not as prominent coz he doesn't play much).

The list can go on. Your comments are totally wrong

JAMJAMYNWA said...

Who cares, I think we all would do that for our country ! He will be welcomes with open arms if he does join - quality player

Burt said...

I dream of a whole team full of Suarez's.

gav said...

Yeah - someone else's team

Geliog116 said...

He sacrificed himself for the team,shows some passion and would prob outscore Torres.superb player.would love him

Guest said...

So your support of hodgson would dissipate if we signed Suarez but it is traitorous betrayal to not support a Liverpool manager in the first year? More 180's than Phil the power Taylor...

Geliog116 said...

Have to say jaimaiaiaimi or whatever your name is your a total mallet

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Si said...

But that would be a baskball team.

Horse said...

Jesus are u still writing stuff?!

Get a grip would u. Suarez is a class striker. Fair enough he cheated in the world cup, but so did lots of players. I'd look less harshly on his instinctive handball than on the countless of premeditatied dives and injury feigns we see every week.

Stevie and Torres dive when the opportunity presents itself. So I guess you'll boycott the team til they're out? Or just be a hypocrite?

Cheating is part of the game, likeit or not (and none of us do). It's engrained iin the culture. The only thing that'll stop it is video/technogy support for referees.

I'd welcome Suarez, great striker who plays with a lot of passion, and still young.

7in67 said...

Timely that Ged has just been back for a visit - fantastic to see him in good health and back in the PL - I remember Stephane putting *hand to ball* at least 5 times in the space of months defending in our box. None were given as pens. Lucky we didn't win 5 trophies in a short space of time based upon those basketball skills, it would've pained me to celebrate those trophies and have to revile the awesome Henchoz.

Oh...wait...no...we did win 5 trophies, Stephane holds a place in legend, and I'll celebrate that year for a long time to come.

What was my point again?

More to the point, what is the author's point?

Guy said...

The difference between Gerrards diving and the handball is that Gerrard doesn't come out after the game and boast about his dive!

Theres a massive difference between making a mistake and ones reaction to that mistake...the fact that he handballed it is disapointing...the fact that he celebrated like he had scored a 30 yard belter after the game is disgraceful.

Would be devestated to see him in a Liverpool shirt.

Also not even taking the world cup into account...he's recently been suspended for bitting another player!

JaimieKanwarIsADick said...

I really hope they do sign him just to piss u off, god id love to see ur face if it does happen :)

WTF? said...

I don't know, but Roy gathers just over a point from every three on average, is that the point you were looking for?

Babeling on said...

Although im Ghanaian and hated every bit of what Suarez did that night, he is still a prolific striker and would be an incredible partnership for Torres. I would say sign him, but ill be the 1st person to give him abuse if he f*cks up....
A record like that speaks for itself... 
You wont see me getting his name on the back of my shirt in a hurry... :)

ikcl said...

Don't defend Gerrard, he's a diver and it's dispicable.  Same for Suarez, his actions disgusted me, and I would not welcome him at our club.
Jaimie- Is there any concrete evidence that this is a possibility, or is this just an excuse for a stab at Suarez? (i'm not complaining!)

m kop said...

If someone doesn't intend to give Roy 50 mil. for Aguero than you should be happy that he can, if he can, get Suarez.
 
He used his hand to stop the ball, we see that in the best Premier League players.
  I have seen Smicer did it agains Basel when he scored with his hand, it would mean Liverpool goes through to the next round an Basel is out. Smicer even started to celibrate, referee spoted it and gave him a yelow card.

Do you now think Smicer should have been sold ASAP.
Istanbul final came years later.

I felt sorry for Ghana as I wanted them to progress, but they have only themselfs to blame. They have had a chance to score from penalty kick and Gyan couldn't take the pressure, that is it.

Mark Rodgers said...

Let's face it we've had some players in the past that haven't exactly played by the rules.  Stephan Henchoz comes to mind, more than once.

vinnie said...

not a fan of south american players and not looking forward to his signing but why can't people ever understand the difference between a football player and a professional footballer? the latter is a cynical profession and most if not all professional footballer would at some point try to gain unfair advantage. bill shankly quote sums it all "<span>If a player isn't interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage, then he should be!" that is the nature of professional football, like it or not</span>

i personally is a fair player in general but when it comes to competitions, i tend to push the limit a bit for the team

suarez sacrificed his discipline record and the chance to continue playing on the field for the country, he has the right to gloat about it. he knew the consequences of handling the ball and was punished according to the law of the game. so get over it

Rupret said...

Anyone would have done the same in the same situation, if Ghana had not missed their penalty the incident would have been forgotten, it was a shame for Ghana, but Suarez did the right thing. 

The biting thing is much worse in my book, that is inexcuseable, but dont hang him for the save on the line, I would hope every one of our players would do the same, as someone has already mention Henchoz did it three times in the fa cup final against Arsenal.

rolando said...

totally agree. it's a shame but thats football these days. if you dont cheat you dont win. end of. Stevie G is one of thee biggest divers out there and even came out saying he didnt like divers. do you think he should be stripped of his captaincy?

rolando said...

Jaimie. if you don't want to sign Suarez because he cheats please name me which striker you'd like us to sign because i can guarantee i can find a clip of him diving. go on try!

Daz said...

If it was Gerrard who stopped the ball on the line for Liverpool or England none of you would be saying anything.  Most people who have anything to do with football are arrogant, ignorant hypocrits so even if you do think he's a cheat so what.  If he scores goals you won't be moaning.  They're all overpaid pampered pri**s that's what you should be moaning about!!!!!!

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Darren Bent (24 premier league goals last season; 7 already this season)

Andy Carroll (Great potential).

Both have Premiership experience and could go straight into the team without any bedding-in period.

Let's see the diving videos then...

lfc4vrer! said...

scoring a shit load of goals will make up for it

m kop said...

There are videos of Liverpool players diving, I will not mention names, as there are major players cheating in one way or another in every team.

  Should we get rid of every Liverpool player who has ever cheated and replace them with Bent and Carroll?

Redfella said...

I'm pretty sure Darren Bent has gone down very easy against us on one occasion. He might have been playing for Charlton at the time I'm not sure but I definitely remember shouting at the t.v claiming he dived.

I could be wrong on this but I do have him down as  a diver or like Gerrard going down very easily

dk said...

pff hypocrite! then i should probably give you 10 reasons why gerrard should be sold, and it may go something like this: cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. such simple minded people unfortunately still exists in the world, but you always remember that there are people who are not so simple minded and lacking perspective. would love now even more if lfc signed suarez

dk said...

he never said he wasn't apologetic for cheating; he said he wasn't apologetic for doing it for his country, for his teammates. question: a boy steals a loaf of bread so he can feed his family; is he still a thief or is he simply human? suarez became the most hated person in football because he did what he did in a world cup. bit contradictory how you seemingly take a 0 tolerance stance on cheating, then classify them between 'small fry' and 'big league' cheats. we're not signing suarez to cheat; we're signing him for his quality as a football player. can see that someone has only just been born and realised that the world isn't fair

dk said...

one action and that defines him? such simple minded thinking brought hitler to the world's attention 

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Any further posts that triumphantly condone cheating and/or argue that cheating is okay will be deleted.  I don't want people who have such a blase attitude to cheating posting here; that kind of attitude is one of the reasons football is in the gutter..

Jaimie Kanwar said...

If one of our players stopped a certain goal in an important match with his hand and the subsequent penalty was missed then I would be delighted. The blame lies with the player that missed the penalty.
And there you have it: this is the reason cheating is so prevalent in modern football - fans are willing to accept it if it gains the team an advantage.  You'd be 'delighted' if a Liverpool player blatantly cheated?!  Shameful attitude if you ask me.

anthony carragher said...

I have never read a more moronic argument about a footballer in my life, I'm ashameed taht anybody would link Liverpool and its fans to this type of drivel being posted by Jamie Kanwar - Liverpool Kop - a site for morons!

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Anyone would have done the same in the same situation
Utter BS.  You're tarring everyone with the same brush and it's just not true.  There are players who have principles and wouldn't do such a thing.  It takes a certain kind of poisonous mindset to deliberately handle on the line in a high profile world cup game.

polo said...

bent dove last season to win a peno vs spurs.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Proof?

sumon said...

I accept that the football pitch is a high pressure environment, players will often seek to gain an advantage almost out of instinct. Consider when a ball goes out of play, you'll often see players trying to claim the throwing, whilst knowing they were the last player to touch the ball. Its almost an automatic response. Of course there is a massive difference between a falsely claimed throwing and a a deliberate goal line handball. I am merely trying to illustrate the spontaneous nature of football and how players often act to gain an advantage without even thinking about it.  

However even if we give Suarez the benefit of the doubt, and assume it was just his instinct kicking in, it was his subsequent reaction to the incident that was particularly odious. Had he quietly walked off the field into the changing rooms, and made an unreserved apology afterwards, I'd be inclined to forgive him. But the ridiculous celebrations, the boasting about making the 'best save' of the tournamanet and the references to the 'Hand of God'.... quite franky it was embarrasing. It was especially dissapointing that he received no censure for those unrepentant comments that got reported all over the world.

Suarez's attitude definitely worrys me. My concerns have been further compounded by other incidents in the Dutch League. There was the ridiculous biting incident for which he recieved a seven match ban. And lets not forget the totally unecessary horrific 'leg breaker' style tackle..look it up  on You Tube, its scary stuff. Finally, whilst in no way condoning Morinhou's shennigans it did seem ironic that one the most vociferous complainers of Alono's and Ramos timewasting antics was, you guessed it, Mr Suarez!

There is no denying his ability and potential. If I felt sure that he would actively try to turn over a new leaf, quit all the stupid antics and just concentrate on football then yes, he could be a good potential signing. But unfortunately, there doesn't seem to much evidence of this happening any time soon. I certainly wouldn't withdraw my support for RH,DC and NESV if they decided to sign Suarez, but personally I think he represents too much of a liabilty at the current time.   

asfgfwtbwr said...

u r a total jerk ... mthrfukr.....dats nt cheatin....its called sacrifice and act of play

sumon said...

I've always rated Bent, I think we missed a trick not picking him up when he was languishing at Spurs. My worry is that both he and indeed Carroll may be out of a price range, based on the comments made by JH which seem to suggest a limited budget for January signings.

Personally, although many LFC fans disagree with me, I think the solution is Ryan Babel. Admittedly hes only had one EPL game in that role this season, but you cant argue with the fact that he stepped up and took his opportunity. People need to look past the twittering and all the stuff about him cruising around in helicopters. Its all media reported propganda, the reality is he seems a nice lad who just wants the opportunity to play regularly. If we end up selling him just to sign someone like Carlton Cole I will be seriously distraught!

Simon said...

Babel is a lazy git

One goal and he's reformed?

He has happily languished around the place for years, picking up a fat pay cheque

He is the absolute worst example of the modern day footballer, apparently has bags of talent but would rather pout

The only thing he has perfected over the years at Liverpool is the art of pulling out of tackles without making it look too obvious

As for Suarez, i wouldn't be against his signing on the handball issue but someone highlighted his ban for biting..... seems like a bit of a nut job.... maybe best to avoid

sumon said...

Asfgfwtbwr, Actually it is cheating. If we look at the definition of the word..

2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game.

Even considering that he purposefully lifts his arm up to stop the ball, any doubts regarding his intentions were surely quashed by his subsequent comments mentioning 'it was the best save of the tournamant'. Therefore, by definition, he cheated. Obviously the referee agreed too and thats why he received the red card. The explicit ruling that was used to send Suarez off was as follows :
A deliberate handling offense to deny an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by any player other than a <span>goalkeeper</span> in his own penalty area

Suarez didnt inadvertently obstruct the balls passage. That would have deemed to occur had the ball accidently hit his arm. Whilst that would still be a penalty, Suarez wouldn't necessarily be sent off. However he clearly lifted up his arm to stop the ball which obviously constitutes a intentional action. Therefore, according to the rules of the game, the referee has no choice to send him off for deliberate cheating.

Just another point, posts that use profanity don't tend to get taken seriously on liverpool-kop. To be honest, they don't even stay on the site for very long. Generally the opinions that get most feedback from the other readers tend to feature a point with some reasoning behind it without any swearing or personal insults. 

sumon said...

Asfgfwtbwr, Actually it is cheating. If we look at the definition of the word..  
 
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game.  
 
Even considering that he purposefully lifts his arm up to stop the ball, any doubts regarding his intentions were surely quashed by his subsequent comments mentioning 'it was the best save of the tournamant'. Therefore, by definition, he cheated. Obviously the referee agreed too and thats why he received the red card. The explicit ruling that was used to send Suarez off was as follows :  
A deliberate handling offense to deny an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by any player other than a <span>goalkeeper</span> in his own penalty area  
 
Suarez didnt inadvertently obstruct the balls passage. That would have deemed to occur had the ball accidently hit his arm. Whilst that would still be a penalty, Suarez wouldn't necessarily be sent off. However he clearly lifted up his arm to stop the ball which obviously constitutes a intentional action. Therefore, according to the rules of the game, the referee has no choice to send him off for deliberate cheating.  
 
Just another point, posts that use profanity don't tend to get taken seriously on liverpool-kop. To be honest, they don't even stay on the site for very long. Generally the opinions that get most feedback from the other readers tend to feature a point with some reasoning behind it without any swearing or personal insults. 

sumon said...

Need I say more! Posts like one I referred too  (which thankfully Jaimie promptly deleted) don't belong on this site. To be honest I feel like a bit of an idiot for wasting my time drafting a response. However at least any ambiguity about whether Suarez cheated can surely now be settled.

sumon said...

Hey Simon

I hear your points and understand why you could come to those conclusions. 

However you say 'he has happily languished around the place picking up a fat pay cheque'. If he's not been picked, what else can he do? It seems under the Benitez regime he wasn't allowed to do extra training to keep himself match fit and improve his chances of selection. He certainly doesn't seem happy at not getting opportunities. I agree, he does pull out of tackles, and can make the wrong decisions when playing out on the wing. However, when playing upfront, which was actually his specialised position, he can show defender scaring pace and has a good eye for goal. Its just difficult to judge his talent, as he as been given so few opportunities as a striker.

I agree with you regarding Suarez. He recieved a seven match ban for the biting the PSV player, but it certainly wasn't an isolated incident. He has received condemnation for blatantly feigning injury and recently made a horrific, potentially leg breaking tackle during a match. All of these recent incidents, coupled with an absolute lack of remorse at the blatant handball suggest to me he is a liabilty, and as you say, best avoided.

daboy said...

Jamie at least Suarez is not one of these players who you would expect to end players careers with violent tackles.
Suarez is not a big diver and although he has done certain things eg world cup handball he is a very good player.
The only reason i would not have him is he is not good value if the reported prices are to be believed there are better value options like Gomez even dare i say it Cassano. 

sumon said...

Redfella, Agreed there are far better candidates for the 'EPL diving awards' than Gerrard. Drogba and Nani might as well start turning up to matches wearing speedos under their shorts! 
<span></span>
Finally, lets not forget Morten Gamst Pederson who surely has to get the award for the most blatant dive in the history of football. Check here for a reminder!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8p_CRR3Bk

sumon said...

daboy

You may want to look at these clips. I love the way he starts clutching his head and writhing around in the third clip!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UPz61xJKho

http://www.mingeford365.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=910013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvmf9GG83I&NR=1

Simon said...

That's a bit hard line, are you also boycotting Nobel awards ceremony?? Only kidding


Please read before deleting, i'm basically agreeing to a certain extent. The rules of football are to blame. These rules are defined by the IFB,  in which a veto is held by FIFA (International Football Board has 8 board members, Scottish FA, Welsh FA, Irish FA, English FA, and 4 FIFA members) Fifa normally gets stuff through by getting one of the minnows to vote with them, and blocks any progressive rule change that it doesn't like

Surely you can allow some distinction between cheating and infringing the rules


Referees enforce the rules. They are there because human nature does not allow us to act fairly at all times, often friendly 5 a side games get heated because we all want to win, no matter the scenario. The problem is that the risk v reward balance for offenders is totally skewed

Deliberate injuring of opponents in seemingly good tackles (John Terry, Nigel de Jong etc), feigning injury to get opponents booked or to delay the game, simulation are all examples of true cheating, there is an attempt to deceive and should really be harshly dealt with. Sin binning thru to red cards etc

Blatantly handling the ball on the line is an act of gross desperation, with the decision taken in a split second. It's often hard to stop one's hand from reaching out for a ball in such situations. The offender and his team most often pay a heavy price. Penalty and red card, so risk v reward is pretty much spot on

But the risk v reward of Suarez handball made it worthwhile given that it was a knock out World Cup match scenario, not sure what further steps could be taken here. Maybe a red card and an award of a penalty GOAL instead of a penalty kick, much like a penalty try in rugby would stamp it out

His gloating afterwards was repulsive, the rules must also allow for further punishment after the fact

I would agree that Maradona's handball was grossly unfair and a dispicable act of pure cheating because the risk v reward balance was massively in his favour, just like Thierry  Henry. A goal for his team or an innocuous free kick to opposition

Then the English defence and midfield let him dance through without kicking him for 2nd goal, they showed real integrity, in the face of his infamy. Who was rewarded? The tough little Argentine who has broken a litany of real world laws and rules

So, ultimately, my beef with this whole topic is the imbalance of the risk v reward scenarios for certain offences

Defenders are treated more harshly by the rules than attackers, even though the net gain from respective offences is possibly a 1 goal swing

What if a deliberate attempt to handball to score a goal or simulation to earn penalty was punishable by a penalty kick against you or 10 minutes in the sin bin?

Sin bins could also be used for back chat to referees, we would stamp out these cancers in the game in no time

But FIFA have absolutely no inclination to reform the game

The rules of football originate from a time when there was little or no TV footage etc so injustices were hard to conclusively prove. Now, billions of people worldwide can immediately witness obvious [...]

sumon said...

Sorry, for the second clip you need to scroll to the top of the page to see the action.

jcoop said...

What about Torres? I love Torres, but that doesn't change the fact that he performed a horrible dive at the World Cup. Liverpool idolise Torres, but I believe he will also cheat to ensure that his team will win. Not that much different from Suarez's handball.

Simon said...

I know he didn't get a real chance under Rafa

Nearly saved our bacon with a stonker in CL v Lyon, and still didn't get a look in

Rafa bought him > good move, but didn't know what to do with him

When he played for Holland U21s before he came to us he was strong, confident, authoritative

Maybe languishing was his only option after such a come down

Josh Todd said...

Go on Youtube and Search for Steven Gerrard Cheat. Then come back and tell me that based on what you just saw, you wish our captain never played for us because he bent the rules to gain an advantage. 

I also love the fact you threaten to Delete anyones comment's that don't agree with you, there is nothing wrong with Debate, even if it is trying to justify something you don't agree with. 

Simon said...

Cassano?? More like Cassanova...... He has caused trouble everywhere he went

I once signed Edmundo for Liverpool in CM years ago, he destroyed moral and my team

Cassano would be an utter disaster, but it would never happen

Maicon johnson said...

well, if asamoah hadnt smashed that penalty over, no one would be complaining about it. I mean no one complained about scholes doing the exact same thing in the premier league a couple of seasons back against fulham. It was probably because Fulham won that match and the resulting penalty was scored. Also, it was as much of an important match as this. Everyone made a fuss about Henry's handball, but if it was in a frienly match, no one would have said the same thing. 

Maicon johnson said...

I dont think at this stage of football, anyone can be whining about diving. I mean when few players useud it back in the old days, you would be right to complain, but now in a time when everyone, even goalkeepers and defenders fake injuries and things to gain an advantage, you would be wasting your time trying to point out every diver and trying to ban them or whatever. Its basically part of the game now. And so is cheating. People decieve refrees to get corners or throw ins. People waste time deliberatly. We have to just get on with it.

Turkan said...

You u really mind if Mourinho is about to manage the team that u support?
Think twice before u answer!

michael said...

he is a freak and i woul love to hav him at liverpool and him and torres will be better than drogba and anelka

Old Timer said...

Not sure I understand where the line is drawn. Shouldn't the cheating include an element of fraud, trying to get away with it without the referee seeing? If not, doesn't this mean that  essentially almost any foul is cheating (or at least all those fouls which are not committed while attempting to cleanly win the ball, such as any foul, however non-violent committed for the purpose of stopping a counter attack)?

Guest said...

I can't stand cheating either, problem is we have younger kids watching Professional Players making a mockery of the game so it creates a great image for our youngsters and Fifa who sit back and treat it as another *** it's part of football *** incident are the biggest joke in football.

Players should be taken to task heavily when they deliberately cause harm to the game, what gets to me most are these little over paid girls who can fall to the ground when they have hardly been touched and scream blue murder as if they have been knocked over by a truck in order to get another player sent off. Those type of players should not be allowed to walk onto a football pitch. 

Sir Bob Paisley said...

Get off your high horse and get a grip on reality, players cheat, managers cheat, FFS even FIFA cheats........ welcome to the real world

wirral redman said...

Cheating or Gamesmanship certainly not sportsmanship but like it or not most players are guilty of it at some time in there career. This is players at the top of the premier league Drogba, Gerrard etc etc and players at the lower end of division 3. Due to the competitive nature of the game all players will seek an edge whether in the laws of the game or not. If a player "cheats" to gain an advantage for his team 3 times in a season the same team will be cheated by players against in the same period so it evens itself out. This is not to condone what goes on but merely to highlight that it happens week in week out in the top leagues o the world and the bottom leagues of the world it is something that will not be stamped out. Now then if you want to talk about real cheats in the game like Hicks and Gillett then thats a different debate

Jaimie Kanwar said...

I have highlighted Gerrard's diving *many* times on this site; I've writeten about 5 posts detailing it. 

And yes, I will delet4e posts that triumphantly condone cheating; it's nothing to do with people not agreeing with me; it'a a matter of principle. This site has zero tolerance on cheatint; ther is no justification for cheating  ever.  That's the point.

Operation Payback said...

1. He's a LIAR.  
2. He's an unapologetic LIAR.  
3. He's a very deliberate LIAR.  
4. He has no concept of balance or fairness because he's a LIAR  
5. As proven on this site that he is a LIAR.  
6. As long as continues to lie, he will be a LIAR.  
7. He has the poisonous mindset of a LIAR.  
8. Once an LIAR, always a LIAR.  
9. Has no feeling for the integrity of the civil discussion because he's a LIAR.  
10. Did I mention he's a LIAR?!

Carrard said...

Shut up if you don't have anything to say which has some substance!!!

Jamie Kanwar is a sad person said...

<span>Jamie</span>
<span> </span>
<span>I have read a few of your articles...its seems like you spend more time on writing about media speculation than actual fact. Do you actually have a job? Or are you sat on your fat a** watching Liverpool re-runs and scoffing cake?</span>
<span> </span>
<span>I think you are quite sad tbh, you obviously don’t have any editorial skills or reporter instincts..think it’s time you stuck with your day time job saddo!</span>

Michael said...

Was this article written by a ten year old?

James said...

It's just as much cheating as committing a foul. If we only signed players that didn't commit fouls, where would we be?

rivrav said...

Jamie

How can you post an article about cheating, on a site that openly encourages debate, and then propose to delete any message that condones cheating?  By the very nature f this article and the comments section which are generally interesting, uou owe it to readers IMO to allow people to express their views.  It seems incredibly harsh to me to post such an article and then delete all comments which condone cheating.

rivrav said...

on the subject of Suarez, i perosnally think he would be an excellent addition to the team.  Regardless of his past antics.  One thing which you constantly convey in your articles and comments, and which i agreee totally with, is that players and managers should be judged on their records for Liverpool and not what they have done previoulsy in theor career.  In Particular with regards to Hodgson and Konchesky, and i feel that i have done that and will continue to do so, so if Hodgson thinks Suarez is a good addition, and we actually do sign him, then i will offer him completely the same support as i do all other new signing and managers.  I feel you should do the same although i dont hold much hope of persuading you!

nick said...

Agree

ikcl said...

He is truly one of the worst excuses for a professional foootballer, with all the responsibility that goes with it, he really disgusts me..

nick said...

Totally agree

daboy said...

Thanks 4 the clips watched em thought the 2nd and third clips were inexcusable acts the first i am not sure about his intentions, i had never see him do this before but point made.

nick said...

Agree Simon

dixie222 said...

 It is amazing how you can instantly dislike a manager for signing one player, and not dislike him for having an abismal away record. I thought you especially would stand by the manager and have reservations about suarez. Yes he did cheat, however does'nt everyone deserve a second chance???? . I have been against Roy Hodgson and Paul Konchesky from the start, its a bit similar to the way you have a hatred for Suarez. If Suarez did come to liverpool, you say you would dislike the manager and turn against him!! Well now you know how 90% of liverpool fans feel about hodgson and Konchesky. Yes If Roy manages to turn our fortunes around and make that 90% eat humble pie I would then support him. It would probabaly be your stance on suarez, you would hate it at the start and jump on him everytime he made a mistake and say he is not what liverpool need. just like the majority do to Roy. The fact your making a statement that he is not right for liverpool before he has even signed, as he is a cheat and not really a great player anyway is valid and I agree with you. I was saying the same things about Roy Hodgson not being right for Liverpool and so was 90% of people saying the same thing. Are we now saying that we can look at a player, manager before we have signed them and say they are not fit for liverpool and not have a blind faith and hope for every person who comes through the anfield gates comes good?? Well I belive you have progressed as before you would support any likely player like poulsen, konchesky and managers like hodgson. It is quite ironic that the same dislike you feel towards suarez is the same as the majority of liverpool fans have for Roy, Konckesky and poulsen, however when the majority air their veiws you call them traitors.

daboy said...

Yes that may be the case but as i stated in terms of what he offers ability wise on a free or less than 10 mill he represents better value for money, especially when you are talking  20 to 30 mill for a man who is only proven in Holland. 

KC said...

I don't count Suarez as cheating. He offended the rules, and got the punishment (red card + banned for a match).

It's just like Mourinho's red card strategy.

Diving is cheating, but it is different from Suarez's handball. Suarez is just playing WITHIN the rules, with no intention of cheating at all.

Operation Payback said...

Your site obviously does not have zero tolerance for LIARS though.

C said...

Pathetic

WTF said...

Come on, any bladi person wud hav blocked dat ball to save their team... its not called cheating... its natural reactions... btw, hes still a gud footballer... n almost every1 in modern football cheats... DIVING...

Gab said...

Hi Sumon, good shout, always makes me laugh when people say that players have 'happily languished around the place', they have no way of knowing this and the attribute descriptions to people to make them sound worse than they are. Babel clearly wants to play and, seeing as we are talking about cheating, he does not go down at the slightest touch, either. The same descriptions could be applied to Joe Cole, about pay cheques, and you could apply the 'pulling out of tackles' description to Messi and Ronaldo, its a boneheaded comment, making hard 50/50 challenges is not some players job. It's no wonder the premiership is more graft than skill with knuckledragging comments about people tracking back and going in hard, etc, etc. Get the impression if Babel scores 20 goals between now and the end of the season, some people would still not like him, i suspect the problem is with them.

As for Suarez, not even sure he would do a job in the premier league. Not sure I agree with the general outrage about cheating, though. I saw some outrageous yellow and red cards in the champions league last night, players who are now suspended for the knock out stages, no doubt helping people like Ferguson progress. There'll be no come back for them. UEFA won't be accepting tha mistakes were made. After all the fuss with Mourinho and the deliberate red cards, it is a disgrace. The only way to prevent cheating is to make sure the rules are fair, applied fairly to all and make some kind of sense. The poor standard of refereeing and the poor leadership of UEFA and FIFA make it a given that people will cheat, as the way the game is run at the moment dictates that cheating pays. Are clubs and players meant to give up on the champions league or get regulated due to sticking to some moral code that the system does not support? Get real, there are people's livelihoods at stake here. Not just players and managers wages, people throughout the clubs. What's the point of staying on your feet when boneheaded refs still don't give penalties unless your leg is broken and you fall over? And why is it that people condemn diving but you never hear people condeming the defenders who stand over players, that they clearly did bring down, and try to con the world into thinking the player is a diver. A very popular tactic lately and one which rests well with the macho mentality of supporters here. Yet, I never see any condemnation of that play acting. When people talk about the tackles of the 70s and how Ron Harris or Tommy Smith would nigh on assualt a player during the 90 minutes, they always sound so nostalgic, ah bless them, those were the days. Is that not cheating? 

Gab said...

How about Ryan Shawcross? Is he a cheat? Funny how the cheating rule never applies to defenders. I've played football for a number of years and for every decision you get when you have not been fouled, there are 6 or 7 where you have been fouled and the ref waves play on. Shawcross is one of those defenders who knocks someone over and then while they are on the floor he stands over them and shouts at them to convince the world that they are a cheat. When he knows full well he has committed a foul. Why is that never condemned as cheating? It happens often enough. Are keepers who move too soon cheats? How about players who claim throw ins when they know they touched it? Oh well, that just about dismisses the entire football world as a cheat. If we are going to have zero tolerance to cheating, we might as well stop playing. Every player does one of the things that I've described above, and they are all cheating.

Lois Suave said...

FROM LIVERPOOLFC.TV:

Hodgson was also asked if there was any truth in the rumours linking Liverpool with Ronaldinho, Ashley Young and Luis Suarez.

The manager replied: "I've got to say, Ronaldinho and Suarez are players we've never even thought about.

Holy crap fellow Reds, this should put an end to this conversation.

Kanwar-I am not sure if 2 or 3 days of rumours surrounding this player, warrant the total denegration of him, just cos you have a personal schtick with the .  Something tells me there is a lass/lad in your life perhaps cheating on you?

Yewo said...

I think cheating is prevelant because the authorities don't punish it severely enough. The fans don't make the laws of the game after all.

As a fan I want the best for my team. Would I rather it was done within the rules? Absolutely. There's nothing shameful about it. Where do YOU draw the line in terms of cheating? Are minor offences such as shirt pulling reason to brand players cheats or is it just high profile incidents like the Suarez one? Should I be ashamed if one of our players is guilty of shirt pulling yet no penalty is given? I think we all wish the players were a little more responsible but I want the players of my team to do everything they can to win- if they break the rules then it's up to the authoritites to deal with them accordingly.

Yewo said...

What's worse? Handling the ball on the line in a world cup game or assaulting your girlfriend? If we're going to take the moral high ground then I don't think we can seriously be looking at Carroll can we?

Yewo said...

Exactly. He knew the consequences and took the decision to do it. He hasn't conned anybody. If the penalty is scored the the it's a non story and nobody will care.

Woy Hodgson said...

how is it cheating when he got punished !!!!

not his fault the ghanian missed the penalty !!!

sumon said...

<p><span>There has been some debate as to what constitutes cheating. There are 3 factors I will consider: </span>
</p><p><span></span>
</p><p><span>1. What is Cheating</span><span>   </span>
</p><p><span></span>
</p><p><span>Technically, if we look at the definition of the word cheating, any intentional violation of the rules of association football would be classed as cheating. The fact that Suarez knew the implication and consequence of what he was about to do is irrelevant, he still cheated.</span>
</p><p><span>cheating:</span><span> To violate rules deliberately, as in a game.  </span><span></span>
</p><p><span>The key factor when we analyse incidents has to be the perceived intention of the offending player. Obviously the problem for match officials is that only the perpetrator of the incident knows whether the action was deliberate or not. The Suarez infraction was an easy call; he blatantly lifted his arm up to stop the ball.  The difficulty arises when judging situations of a more ambiguous nature.</span>
</p><p><span> </span>
</p><p><span>Another point is that a player fouling and a player cheating are not necessarily the same. Again the key concept is the intention of the offending player.</span>
</p><p><span> </span>
</p><p><span>2. The Levels of Severity within Cheating  </span>
</p><p><span></span><span></span>
</p><p><span>When examining an offence perceived as cheating, the </span><span>level of severity</span><span> has to be taken into account. Whilst falsely claiming a throwing could be classed as cheating, it is obviously less serious than other offences. Additionally, the concept of level of severity exists within individual types of offences. Take the problem of diving, where a player simulates being fouled to gain an advantage. If the player not only dives, but subsequently decides to feign injury in order to obtain a further advantage by trying to get a player from the other team penalised, then that would be deemed a more serious form of cheating than the first offence. </span>
</p><p><span> </span>
</p><p><span> </span></p>

ikcl said...

Fouls, as in mistimed tackles, are not intentional, they're clearly different. I wouldn't like a player who goes out to intentially chop down an opponent in our squad.

sumon said...

<p><span>3. The Concept of Deception Related to Cheating</span><span></span>
</p><p><span>This is another factor related to of the action of cheating. In the World Cup incident whilst Suarez blatantly cheated, he did not deceive. Although he intentionally broke the rules (i.e. cheating) he didn't attempt to disguise the fact during the incident, or more importantly afterwards by berating or questioning the referee. (I'm not trying to defend Suarez here by the way; I'm merely using this incident as an example). This situation is surely an example of </span><span>high level cheating with no deception</span><span>, which as per association football rules, was punished with a red card.</span>
</p><p><span> </span>
</p><p><span>A false claim for a corner or a throw in is an example of</span><span> lower level of cheating with deception</span><span>. The player is attempting to disguise the deliberate flaunting of game rules. The level of deception is increased if the player then seeks to remonstrate with the referee. However in general, despite the inclusion of the added factor of deception, because of the low level of cheating involved, the offence would rarely be penalised.</span>
</p><p><span> </span>
</p><p><span>The rules of conduct and subsequent punishments in football association are in direct relation to the level of cheating. The concept of deception isn't an issue.</span></p>

sumon said...

There has been some debate as to what constitutes cheating. There are 3 factors I will consider:
 
1. What is Cheating  
Technically, if we look at the definition of the word cheating, any intentional violation of the rules of association football would be classed as cheating. The fact that Suarez knew the implication and consequence of what he was about to do is irrelevant, he still cheated.
cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game. 
The key factor when we analyse incidents has to be the perceived intention of the offending player. Obviously the problem for match officials is that only the perpetrator of the incident knows whether the action was deliberate or not. The Suarez infraction was an easy call; he blatantly lifted his arm up to stop the ball.  The difficulty arises when judging situations of a more ambiguous nature.
 
Another point is that a player fouling and a player cheating are not necessarily the same. Again the key concept is the intention of the offending player.
 
2. The Levels of Severity within Cheating 
When examining an offence perceived as cheating, the level of severity has to be taken into account. Whilst falsely claiming a throwing could be classed as cheating, it is obviously less serious than other offences. Additionally, the concept of level of severity exists within individual types of offences. Take the problem of diving, where a player simulates being fouled to gain an advantage. If the player not only dives, but subsequently decides to feign injury in order to obtain a further advantage by trying to get a player from the other team penalised, then that would be deemed a more serious form of cheating than the first offence.
 
3. The Concept of Deception Related to Cheating
This is another factor related to of the action of cheating. In the World Cup incident whilst Suarez blatantly cheated, he did not deceive. Although he intentionally broke the rules (i.e. cheating) he didn't attempt to disguise the fact during the incident, or more importantly afterwards by berating or questioning the referee. (I'm not trying to defend Suarez here by the way; I'm merely using this incident as an example). This situation is surely an example of high level cheating with no deception, which as per association football rules, was punished with a red card.
 
A false claim for a corner or a throw in is an example of lower level of cheating with deception. The player is attempting to disguise the deliberate flaunting of game rules. The level of deception is increased if the player then seeks to remonstrate with the referee. However in general, despite the inclusion of the added factor of deception, because of the low level of cheating involved, the offence would rarely be penalised.
 
The rules of conduct and subsequent punishments in football association are in direct relation to the level of cheating. The concept of deception isn't an issue.

Operation Payback said...

Utter BS, you're tarring everyone who does it with the same brush and it's not true.  Each individual player has a different set of principles unique to themselves, some go further than others, by definition. It takes a special kind of poisonous mindset to generalise so hypocritically especially after in the same paragraph ralling against tarring everyone with the same brush.

Operation Payback said...

Utter BS.  players need differing levels of bedding-in time, to discount that is delutional.

sumon said...

There has been some debate as to what constitutes cheating. These are just some of musings:
1. What is Cheating  
Technically, if we look at the definition of the word cheating, any intentional violation of the rules of association football would be classed as cheating. The fact that Suarez knew the implication and consequence of what he was about to do is irrelevant, he still cheated.
cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game. 
The key factor when we analyse incidents has to be the perceived intention of the offending player. Obviously the problem for match officials is that only the perpetrator of the incident knows whether the action was deliberate or not. The Suarez infraction was an easy call; he blatantly lifted his arm up to stop the ball.  The difficulty arises when judging situations of a more ambiguous nature.
Another point is that a player fouling and a player cheating are not necessarily the same. Again the key concept is the intention of the offending player.
2. The Levels of Severity within Cheating 
When examining an offence perceived as cheating, the level of severity has to be taken into account. Whilst falsely claiming a throwing could be classed as cheating, it is obviously less serious than other offences. Additionally, the concept of level of severity exists within individual types of offences. Take the problem of diving, where a player simulates being fouled to gain an advantage. If the player not only dives, but subsequently decides to feign injury in order to obtain a further advantage by trying to get a player from the other team penalised, then that would be deemed a more serious form of cheating than the first offence. I think most football fans would accept that this level of fraudulent play would be regarded as high level cheating. Another issue when considering cheating is the timing of the offence. Had Suarez handled the ball at the start of the game, I am sure that the perceived level of his cheating would be less.
There is often a correlation between the level of cheating and the implication on the game, though the timing and location of the offence can make a difference. Feigning injury from a dive could result in an opponent getting sent off unfairly, hence why most would argue its high level cheating.
3. The Concept of Deception Related to Cheating
This is another factor related to of the action of cheating. In the World Cup incident whilst Suarez blatantly cheated, he did not deceive. Although he intentionally broke the rules (i.e. cheating) he didn't attempt to disguise the fact during the incident, or more importantly afterwards by berating or questioning the referee. (I'm not trying to defend Suarez here by the way; I'm merely using this incident as an example). This situation is surely an example of cheating with no deception, which as per association football rules, was punished with a red card.
Deliberately tugging an opponent’s jersey, whilst vying for the ball (outside the area), would be an example of lower level cheating with deception.  Technically, the player is attempting to disguise an intentional flaunting of game rules. The level of deception is increased if the player then seeks to remonstrate with the referee. However in general, despite the inclusion of the added factor of deception, because of the low level of cheating involved, the offence would rarely be penalised with anything more than a free kick. Obviously the situation is different if the offence occurred in the penalty area where a penalty kick would occur, and the offender would stand a greater chance of been carded. Whilst players committing this offence are, by the exact definition, cheating, it’s an situation far removed from the more serious types of [...]

sumon said...

There has been some debate as to what constitutes cheating. These are just some of musings:

1. What is Cheating  


Technically, if we look at the definition of the word cheating, any intentional violation of the rules of association football would be classed as cheating. The fact that Suarez knew the implication and consequence of what he was about to do is irrelevant, he still cheated.

cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game. 

The key factor when we analyse incidents has to be the perceived intention of the offending player. Obviously the problem for match officials is that only the perpetrator of the incident knows whether the action was deliberate or not. The Suarez infraction was an easy call; he blatantly lifted his arm up to stop the ball.  The difficulty arises when judging situations of a more ambiguous nature.


Another point is that a player fouling and a player cheating are not necessarily the same. Again the key concept is the intention of the offending player.


2. The Levels of Severity within Cheating 

When examining an offence perceived as cheating, the level of severity has to be taken into account. Whilst falsely claiming a throwing could be classed as cheating, it is obviously less serious than other offences. Additionally, the concept of level of severity exists within individual types of offences. Take the problem of diving, where a player simulates being fouled to gain an advantage. If the player not only dives, but subsequently decides to feign injury in order to obtain a further advantage by trying to get a player from the other team penalised, then that would be deemed a more serious form of cheating than the first offence. I think most football fans would accept that this level of fraudulent play would be regarded as high level cheating. Another issue when considering cheating is the timing of the offence. Had Suarez handled the ball at the start of the game, I am sure that the perceived level of his cheating would be less.


There is often a correlation between the level of cheating and the implication on the game, though the timing and location of the offence can make a difference. Feigning injury from a dive could result in an opponent getting sent off unfairly, hence why most would argue its high level cheating.

3. The Concept of Deception Related to Cheating


This is another factor related to of the action of cheating. In the World Cup incident whilst Suarez blatantly cheated, he did not deceive. Although he intentionally broke the rules (i.e. cheating) he didn't attempt to disguise the fact during the incident, or more importantly afterwards by berating or questioning the referee. (I'm not trying to defend Suarez here by the way; I'm merely using this incident as an example). This situation is surely an example of cheating with no deception, which as per association football rules, was punished with a red card.


Deliberately tugging an opponent’s jersey, whilst vying for the ball (outside the area), would be an example of lower level cheating with deception.  Technically, the player is attempting to disguise an intentional flaunting of game rules. The level of deception is increased if the player then seeks to remonstrate with the referee. However in general, despite the inclusion of the added factor of deception, because of the low level of cheating involved, the offence would rarely be penalised with anything more than a free kick. Obviously the situation is different if the offence occurred in the penalty area where a penalty kick would occur, and the offender would stand a greater chance of [...]

JJ said...

Well if you are going to show the worst in someone, someone should look at the best in him as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vsn_OYWttA

Not to mention what he did to Mexico & South Korea in the WC.

JJ said...

Suarez scored three goals in the WC this year. How many did Torres score?

JJ said...

I will not make any excuses for what Suarez did in the WC against Ghana. He did the crime and he did the time. No one has ever looked at the buildup that led to the free kick against Uruguay that led to the Suarez handball. The foul was a phantom foul called on the left back on a BLATANT dive by the Ghana player. When I saw the replays the Ghana player was close to 2m away from the Uruguayan defender and he swan dives like he's in the Olympics. A true disgrace. The Uruguayan defender argues with the linesman (that made the call) and has to be refrained by the referee. No one remembers that, but boy they sure remember the Suarez Handball. The incident is referenced here:
<span>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100704090329AA2CFMN</span>
<span></span>The video has been removed, but I saw it and it was DISGRACEFUL... 

Red said...

That is such a dumb conclusion. Nani?

Red said...

Oh that dive is hilarious!

Hmmm... said...

"<span>And yes, I will delet4e posts that triumphantly condone cheating"</span>

Preventing free speech?? That is conducive to open debate....

daboy said...

We all know world cups are not a great place to judge players who coming into the premier league Diouf or Diao ring a bell.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Free speech?  Not when it comes to abusive posts and posts where people actively condone cheating. If people don't like that, they can go elsewhere.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Ah yes, I forgot that age old principle of 'punishment erases the crime'.

I guess it's not murder if the murders gets life in prison?

Ridiculous logic.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

This is such spurious logic, and it's a prime example of how people will go to any lengths to condone cheating.  Just because there's punishment for cheating does not change the fact that the cheating took place in the first place.

According to your twisted logic, a murdered would not be guilty of murder purely because he got punished.  After all, a murderer is 'playing within the rules' but comitting a crime for which he knows the punishment.  According to KC, a murderer would just be 'playing within the rules, with no intention to murder'.

Utterly ridiculous.  I pity anyone with that kind of thorugh process.  And whilst there are fans out there who think like that, football will continue it's descent into moral bankruptcy.

m kop said...

Winners cheat. Loosers cheat. Only difrence is no one cares if loosers cheated or not.

What he did is not exatcly prime example of cheating, it happend in a moment he did it and got sent off for it.
     Going down when no one touched you is far worse and we see it all the time so we almost couldn't pick a striker who didn't go down in the box for no reason.

Yewo said...

I don't think anyone disagrees with the sentiment- we all wish that cheating was less prominent in the game. I just find it hard to condemn someone for this. I find diving and conning the referee much more serious than someone doing this.

BTW still trying to get my head round the fact that you can so vehemently be against the signing of Suarez yet would welcome Carroll. A professional sportsman who will try anything to win or a thug that assaults a woman? I know which one I'd feel more comfortable with in our shirt.

sumon said...

As soon as I read the offensive first line of your post I didn't go any further. You may have made a some great points, but the effectivness of your debating is lost by your use of profanity. Why not try to rewrite the post without the bad language, then I will read it. :)

sumon said...

I agree with Jaimie on this issue. KC `you state:

'Suarez is just playing WITHIN the rules, with no intention of cheating at all.'

The definition fo a cheat is as follows:

cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game. 

Now association football rules state:

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area
)

By definition he has broken a rule. His intention was quite clearly deliberate, as he blatantly lifted up his hand to stop the ball. After the game he boasted about it being 'the best save of the tornament!' Therefore it is impossible to argue that Suarez 
'is just playing WITHIN the rules, with no intention of cheating at all.'

sumon said...

I agree with Jaimie on this issue. KC `you state:  
 
'Suarez is just playing WITHIN the rules, with no intention of cheating at all.'  
 
The definition fo a cheat is as follows:  
 
cheating: To violate rules deliberately, as in a game.   
 
Now association football rules state:  
 
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any  
of the following three offences:  
• holds an opponent  
• spits at an opponent  
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own  
penalty area
)  
 
By definition he has broken a rule. His intention was quite clearly deliberate, as he blatantly lifted up his hand to stop the ball. After the game he boasted about it being 'the best save of the tornament!' Therefore it is impossible to argue that Suarez   
'is just playing WITHIN the rules, with no intention of cheating at all.'
The fact that he knew the consequences of his actions is irrelevant. He still intentially broke the rules of association football, which means he is clearly not playing within the rules, and is also by definition a cheat. 

Gab said...

So, is a defender bending over to shout at a felled opponent, accusing them of diving when he knows that he fouled him, cheating? There's not a defender in the world who has not done that at least once. There's a thought, the way we are playing at the moment, can we play with two keepers and less outfield players?

dermot said...

The only way to really know is to watch all his games . i dont know how far back but measure occasion out of ten. independent jury!. then we see if we want this guy at liverpool. I supposed the latest is 'the biting incident' (bad start!LOL)

Smf_fede said...

Luis Suarez a cheater? You're a dumb or u don't know anything about football.
Final minute in quarterfinal of World Cup, the referee invented a foul to give ghana a last chance in the game, and the shoot that Suarez stopped was in a clear offside, so Suarez's hand stopped an unfair and cheat victory gived to ghana for the referee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuWD-w8ASsA
Suarez it's not a cheater, he sacrifice himself to let Uruguay advance to semifinals, if the referee won't helped ghana with an invented foul and an offside play, Suarez didn't had to do the "god's hand"

Suarez it's a great striker, oustanding team player, we need that kind of player, and stop trying with dead weights like ngog and babel.

Livo-Suarez said...

Are you people THAT ignorant?
EVERYONE CHEATS.

Whenever a defender makes a Tackle to stop a striker from scoring he is 'breaking a rule' and it's punished with a 'fault', a 'penalty kick' and or 'cards'

This is no Different. He did what he felt he needed to do (within the motion of the game) to help his team.

There are rules in football, which are broken. and Almost 99.9% of teams who wish to win, must break them.  

This is why ENGLAND has not won anything since the stone age. and why Maradona Past all your 8 defensive players to score in the 86' world cup. because you are stuck in that mindset and then look like LOSERS.

Face the fact. There is a referee for a reason, to punishe those who break the rule / 'cheat'.

x

Ajay said...

With Suarez, as with anyone doing the same it was never about the penalty. They all do stuff like that. They even have a name for it - PROFESSIONAL FOUL.
The problem with Suarez is the little dance for joy he did when the penalty was missed. That is what rankles.
Maybe he should take up boxing?

nachitodb07 said...

how can you possibly call him a cheat?!  it's called putting yourself on the line for your team and that's what he did, no matter what it took.

Aiyic said...

This looks like it has legs, so as Harvey Milk once said, ''allow me to change your mind''.

I align myself to most of your views Jamie, and you're dead right in that cheating is a cancer eating away at the soul of integrity of the beautiful game. However, I do think that if you use the standard of logic that says, 'if you cheat, you are a cheater', then you also have to judge other deeds that maketh the man in the same manner.

It's surely only fair then that if he plays with skill, speed, and guile, with the added ability to be a team-player, that he be judged on those deeds also.

Even allowing for him to blatantly cheat, can't a man have a second chance - a shot at redemption?

Suarez was one of the players that I was looking forward to seeing at the WC, and I wasn't disappointed with what I saw, and we all saw. I remember noticing that he didn't go down easily to gain unfair free-kicks, and thought it out of character when he handled on the line, but I also thought it was instictive. You could see in his face that he was instantly upset because he would miss the remainder of the competition if they got through, and his team were down to ten men, facing down the the barrel of a penalty-kick.

His later remarks smack of having thought about having a brazen, one-size-fits-all retort for the inevitable post-WC questions.

I for one, don't accept cheating as part of the game - it even annoys when players pretend to place the ball with fake back-spin for a free-kick; gaining extra yards - but we can only be responsible for what we have control over, and we don't have control over what happens in the heat of the moment on a football field.

I for one would welcome Lius Suarez.
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Aiyic said...

This looks like it has legs, so as Harvey Milk once said, ''allow me to change your mind''.

I align myself to most of your views Jamie, and you're dead right in that cheating is a cancer eating away at the soul of integrity of the beautiful game. However, I do think that if you use the standard of logic that says, 'if you cheat, you are a cheater', then you also have to judge other deeds that maketh the man in the same manner.

It's surely only fair then that if he plays with skill, speed, and guile, with the added ability to be a team-player, that he be judged on those deeds also.

Even allowing for him to blatantly cheat, can't a man have a second chance - a shot at redemption?

Suarez was one of the players that I was looking forward to seeing at the WC, and I wasn't disappointed with what I saw, and we all saw. I remember noticing that he didn't go down easily to gain unfair free-kicks, and thought it out of character when he handled on the line, but I also thought it was instictive. You could see in his face that he was instantly upset because he would miss the remainder of the competition if they got through, and his team were down to ten men, facing down the the barrel of a penalty-kick.

His later remarks smack of having thought about having a brazen, one-size-fits-all retort for the inevitable post-WC questions.

I for one, don't accept cheating as part of the game - it even annoys when players pretend to place the ball with fake back-spin for a free-kick; gaining extra yards - but we can only be responsible for what we have control over, and we don't have control over what happens in the heat of the moment on a football field.

I for one would welcome Lius Suarez.
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Mark said...

hahahahah most retarded journalism I have ever encountered. You came up with one reason to not have him at Liverpool and that's because he deliberately hand balled? Laughable! He did something I'm sure every player would do in that situation. What about Paul Scholes using his hand to stop the ball crossing the line ( I wish I could remember the team, Pompey comes to mind. I don't think it was though.) Is he being branded a cheat everyday? NOOOOPE! Suarez has so much more to him than those 3 seconds you highlight. You're a poor naive bloke and so are most of the people who left comments.
Are you also aware, there have been occassions where our players have gone down very easy to gain an advantage. Maxi against Everton, fairly generous decision!
I'm only here because someone tweeted a link to this abysmal effort of blogging.

Gonzalo said...

Suarez shows real passion when he pulls on a football shirt, ok, he has a few blots on his record book but he is still young, he stil needs guidance. He has the potential to be a world class striker, rather than dismissing him, why not help him devolop into the player he can be. Uruguay showed amazing team spirit in the world cup (LFC need to bring a bit of passion back) and I challange anyone who wasn't entertained by their style of play. Maybe they should look at Lugano, he would be a fantastic signing, probably less than £5 mill would provide stability at the back and with Suarez.

Tom said...

What about your captain. Steven Gerrard, one of the biggest cheats of the lot. Want him out as well?

There you go. said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/08/gomes-bent-tottenham-sunderland-dive

branch said...

unlucky! u just signed him!! ha ha ha

Jaime said...

So will you stop supporting King Kenny now that he has signed such a horrible cheat?

Fillmus said...

Absolutelly agree, he got a red card and ghana a penalty kick...everything inside the game rules...the owner of this page has never played football for sure

M.I.A said...

It's all gone quiet on the Kanwar front..

jonesy said...

what kidn of morons are you lot? gtfo

Torres9 said...

What has happened to Kanwar? The biggest upheaval in recent LFC history, Hodgson out, King Kenny back, Torres out for 50M and Carroll 35M and Suarez in and not a peep.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Sorry eveybody.  I take it all back, didn't think the transfer would actually go through.  I can be quite the douche sometimes.  Please forgive my lack of football knowledge. Suarez looks to be one of the greatest players ever to rep LFC.  

Fabiantez said...

Very notorious... You never played this game.
Suarez did in a magnificent stage of the world cup.
Maybe the only one he will play.
The same thing we will do it in a married vs single match with ours work mates
NOBODY by instinct wants to lose.
He got a red card! He got a ban x the next mach. His team a penalty against.
What else.... The gas chamber?
Now he will play x liverpool
Now hi is our new number 7
Now he already played 28' and He scored
Now if he scores against chelsea...
You... The writter of this article should be washing dishes ant cheering his name

JJ said...

Well since Suarez is such a big CHEAT !! You should all look and see how it came to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccp5BBVCTDs

How is Suarez vilified & Adiyiah a poor soul who's glory was denied?

sonic said...

other teams and players,berbatov/man u,eg,dont mind cheating if thats what it takes to win,maybe thats why we aint won a title since they started piling them into the cabinet,a do everything to win attitude is what i want in every player who pulls on a red jersey !!!!! Y N W A

ne@r said...

Suarez is not a cheat. What he's done in WC is a sacrifice.
He's taking chances.

He block the ball with his hand,
He gets red carded. 
Ghana gets a penalty. - at this point, everything is fair.
Ghana missed the penalty, 
and ultimately Uruguay won the penalty kick.

Suarez's gamble paid off.
The price he paid - red card, misses the WC semifinals.
What he gained - sending his team to the semis.

All in all, i think he's noble.
But if he didn't get red carded after the incident, 
then thats a different story altogether.

Jaimie Kanwar said...

You are seriously deluded.  People with your attitude are the reason football is in the gutter.  Listen to yourself: a player who deliberately handballs in a world cup quarter-final is *noble*?!

What next: knighthoods for cheats?!

I don't want people with your views posting on this site.  You're banned.  Wh

Jaimie Kanwar said...

<span>You are seriously deluded.  People with your attitude are the reason football is in the gutter.  Listen to yourself: a player who deliberately handballs in a world cup quarter-final is *noble*?!  
 
Following your logic, a person who murders their wife and accepts the punishment could also be considered noble, right?  Well, the husband sacrifices his life to further a particular end, and since he accepts the punishment (prison) that makes the murderous act okay...</span>

<span> 
I don't want people with your views posting on this site.  You're banned.  When you've learned to condemn cheating and stop making excuses for it then you can post again.</span>

And that goes for anyone else too.

herb said...

Stiil do u think that Suarez is not good inaff for Liverpool?

Carroll9 said...

Suarez looks decent to me :-D

You see it's always best to reserve judgement once you actually see the player play a few games!

Ben Carr said...

Fancy changing your mind?

Numero Siete said...

Get off your high horse Jaimie. Comparing murder to handling on the line?!?! I am not quite sure I have really read this.  Are you also actually 12 years old with such an unrealistic view of the world.

Murder and handball.......what next? Rape and diving?

JJ said...

Suarez the Cheat (and murderer) just killed Manchester United's defence. It not fair how he runs circles around those happless defenders. Someone should be drug testing him on a regular basis, because he MUST be cheating.

Hmmm said...

So Sulley Muntari and Asamoah Gyan both Ghanaians, BOTH came out and said they would have done the exact same thing as Luis Suarez. Muntari goes one better and says he would have used two hands!!! According to Muntari, it was Suarez's duty. What do you think of that iJiaimiei? What do you think of that? I think you should ban Muntari from this website personally.

UNO said...

Well his handball was for the greater good in terms of Uruguay, he brought joy to their nation and was saluted as a hero. So are you telling me if say you were playing for England in the World Cup Final, the score is 1-1 and last minute of extra time, you are on the line and the ball is bouncing in and is too high for your head to reach, would you just stand their and watch it go in? Would you be able to look at your people in the eye knowing that if you had just bent the rules slightly and stopped the ball going over the line with the hand? Or would you just say, 'We shouldn't cheat', so no world cup, tough. It is the same as bringing a player down when he is clean through on goal, something which 5-6 of our players (unsuccessfully) tried to do to Walcott in the Champions League a few years ago, and it lead to a goal, and I was screaming, 'Why couldn't someone just risked a red card and brought him down', it is another matter that we eventually went on to win the game, but my point is you cant just write that it is blatant cheating and the player should be banned from playing football again. I rest my case, and if you want to ban me, so be it, its your own loss.

lol said...

lol JK i feel sorry for you mate...

you said ' i hope we dont sign cole' , 'i hope we dont sign suarez'...... signed them both.

ROBBEN IS NEXT LOL :-D

Mikey said...

Suarez is a brilliant player for us.

jj said...

Well he certainly is well on his way...  :-D

Dov said...

The internet is a better place when you're not vomiting your ridiculous articles onto it.

Please stay away for as long as you like.

Dov said...

The internet is a better place when you're not vomiting your ridiculous articles onto it.

Please stay away for as long as you like.

Mark said...

You know, I was reading another LFC fansite when I remembered JK's blogs about Rafa & the like so I decided to do a google search to see what he was writing about the appointment of King Kenny on a full time basis and had to stop by here for a nosey.
As a fan of LFC for over 30 years  I can honestly say that i have not felt so excited about seeing a player in our red shirt as i do with Luis Suarez. Maybe it's because of the mediocre season we've just had, maybe it's because of the tumultuos 44 months the club endured prior to FSG taking over, maybe it's because of our last dozen games we've looked like a solid unit, played some very exciting, attractive attacking football whilst conceding very few goals. Maybe it's because of the fact that Luis Suarez, our new number 7 is an absulte gem of a player who will be causing every opposing defender in the EPL to have sleepless nights and cold sweats before playing against this little wizard. The guy is AWESOME! Who cares what he has done prior to walking out in front of the Kop, he's OUR player now and every LFC fan should be thankful for that. With this guy leading our line (unselfishly too, considering he was brought in as a goal scorer) we have gone from the laughing stock of WORLD football to genuine title contenders next season. Of course KK & SC have had a major impact on this but in Suarez, we have the type of player with which Man Utd had with Ronaldo, Barca have with Messi, Arsenal had with Henry etc. A player who can make a goal scoring opportunity out of nothing, dribble and trick his way out of trouble (just ask the Man Utd defence) and run & fight until the last whistle is blown 0 look at his efforts in INJURY time at Craven Cottage last Monday when we were 5-2 up!
Take off the hat of hatred, Jaimie, sit back and enjoy what's to come.
The future is bright, the future is red.
YNWA

Jono said...

BET YOU'RE EATING YOUR WORDS NOW IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LS IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO OUR GREAT CLUB IN YEARS - NEXT TO SIGNING KK ON A 3 YEAR DEAL OF COURSE. WHAT A PLANK.

ColGee said...

Jamie Kanwar, where are you? You are the fountain of all knowledge, o great one. You are missing in action. Do you now not support KENNY DALGLISH because it was him who signed Suarez? By your logic, Kenny supports cheats, is that not correct?

In fact, that being the case, you should by now be a Manc or a Bitter - surely you cannot stomach being a Liverpool supporter any longer with a cheat supporter at the helm?

Lovely when stuff comes around and bites you in the ass.

I bet you wish Hodgson the Mediocre was still managing the club, yeah?

Nick said...

I am laughing at all you numpties that say you didn't want him at Liverpool....I guess after 50 or 100 more goals you might change your mind.

whatever said...

still think Suarez is shit?

Suarez said...

Looking like a bit of an idiot now aren't you?
It was the QF of the World Cup. It was an instinctive reaction. Of course he fucking celebrated. You've always been a fool

Anonymous said...

You idiots still think Suarez isn't good enough?
Jesus Chirst!

zooks said...

i bet you're feeling pretty stupid now Jaimie... "not good enough", in what world is suarez not good enough? if you had ever watched him play for Ajax then you would have realised that he is and was dynamite. Jaimie once again your article proves that you do very little research, instead subjecting us to your opinionated drivel

Jaimie Kanwar said...

Why don't you show where I said in the article that he wasn't good enough?  Why don't you learn to read before making stupid posts like this?

stu said...

i dont understand your issue. what he did was a professional foul. he deliberately commited a foul to prevent the opposition scoring. its part of the game and there are penalties in place to counter it. the opposition could score and have an advantage of 1 man for the rest of a game. in a two leg competition they would also have the advantage of forcing the opposition to field another player. the ref dealt with it.
the point at which you can argue what he did was unfair was when the opposition missed the penalty.
they were awarded it and rightly so. they werent however good enough to convert that advantage. they had the opportunity and didnt take it. thats football. thats what makes it exciting.

StJohn_Red_Legend said...

My view of Suarez, for what its worth, it that he was cheating, yes.

It was blatant, and it was deliberate.

But...

...it was committed in the spirit of self-sacrifice.  He knew he would be sent off, without question, and without chance of reprieve.  In doing so, he also knew that there was a very good chance that it would be a meaningless sacrifice and the penalty would be scored - the statistics on penalty conversion are quite high for scoring.

I believe that the 'cheating' he committed to earn your ire is by far a lesser crime than that committed by Diego Maradona in 1982 to gain the 'hand of god' moniker. In that, he conned the referee and that act was not self-sacrificing, it was self-glorifying

Sandeep Sripada said...

Plan on deleting this based on what happened at Anfield so far. He is by far the only quality player among the new recruits.

Jaimie K said...

Hi Sandeep - I agree with you that Suarez is quality, but I won't be deleting this article. It's how I felt at the time, and I still feel this way about players that deliberately cheat. Just because Suarez is a great player doesn't erase what he did, but whilst he's at Liverpool I will support him.

super_suarez said...

oh how stupid you lot look now, we dont want him, whaa, whaa, whaa....... stories different now hes banging in goals and carrying the team forward..... tossers

lewis said...

hahahahahahahahaha you look so unbelievably stupid right now. top 3 players in the epl right now hahaha you fool

Hypocrites said...

Not good enough eh??  I wonder how your opinion has changed now he is and LFC player

HypocriteKanwar said...

You're a hypocrite Kanwar, bloody hypocrite.  You can slag a player off but still jump up and down when he scores for us.  No wonder people think you are a complete and utter clown

Dave Moore said...

bet there are some people who feel a bit silly now, he is a football genius 

Felderkirk said...

How's that anti-Suarez stance working out for you? Good?

Jaimie K said...

I think it's clear I'm anti-cheating, rather than anti-Suarez. My views have not changed in that respect; Suarez cheated in the World Cup.

Felderkirk said...

Granted, he handled the ball and prevented a goal, and that's cheating. And he bit a bloke's neck, which isn't necessarily 'cheating' but IS a bit fucking mental.

But by signing him, we've cancelled out the possibility of him handling a ball against us and denying us a goal, whilst simultaneously reducing the chances of him biting one of our players on the neck.

And all of this goes hand-in-hand with a massively impressive goalscoring record for club and country; World Cup Quarter Finals experience (semi-finals if you're not being pedantic); a good injury record; youth; and at the very least he's a player with massive sell-on potential from a deal that cost us less than Darren Bent cost Aston Villa...

I think it's pretty hard to defend this notion that 'Liverpool shouldn't sign him because he's a cheat'. Football has moved on so much from the days when you have to like every player who represents your team. It's sad, but true.

Jknight said...

LOL!!! whats that?

Felderkirk said...

Jesus Christ. Steady on mate.

Felderkirk said...

No that's fine - ignore me. I'd probably distance myself from this article too if I'd written it.

Nnicolsenior said...

what in the name of fuck is a baskball?

Pastor of Muppets said...

I now know why Andy Carroll isn't doing well enough for us... He doesn't cheat!

Gaurav said...

hes a cheat and a alleged racist

Naj016 said...

Let me tell you the truth,yes he's cheating at FIFA WOLRD CUP,but look HOW FAR HE BRING HIS COUNTRY,URUGUAY,FROM THE UNDERDOG TEAM TO AWESOME TEAM!! He's cheating? Tell me all of the evidence that show he's cheating??? Yes,he show his middle finger to FULHAM fan cause he is in stress.EVRA? that Negro? Are you kidding? THERE ARE NO VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT SHOW HE IS GUILTY. NOW LET ME TELL YOU 10 REASONS WHY LIVERPOOL FC NEED TO SIGN HIM -
1)He is really suitable replacement for Fernando Torres (Much better than Carroll)
2)He is really dangerous striker and can finish the ball from ANY ANGLES!!!
3)Without him can Liverpool Fc beat ARSENAL,CHELSEA(TWICE) AND MU (3-1)?
4)He's from Uruguay and MAYBE EDISON CAVANI might join Liverpool Fc ALSO!!
5)RIGHT NOW LIVERPOOL FC SUFFER THE GOL DROUGHT AND IF HE NOT JOINING LIVERPOOL FC,LIVERPOOL FC WILL BECOME MORE MISERABLE TEAM THAT KEEP HOPING ANDY CARROLL TO SCORE LOTS OF GOAL!!!
6)He's already apologizes to public BUT NOT TO NEGRO,EVRA
7)Suarez can become more dangerous than striker in EPL (HE EVEN COMPARE WITH MESSI WHEN HE IS IN GOOD FORM)
8)When SUAREZ ONGOING HIS BAN,LOOK HOW BAD LIVERPOOL FC PERFORMANCE when they against M.CITY (3-0)!! Liverpool control 64/100 but still goalless!!!
9)THERE ARE NO ANY SIGN THAT SHOW ANDY CARROLL WILL START SCORE LOTS OF GOAL AND SUAREZ IS ONLY STRIKER THAT CAN SCORE LOTS OF GOAL IF HE PLAY AS A SECOND STRIKER NOT AS A C.FORWARD!!!
10)HE WIN PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2011!!!!!! AND YOU CALL HIM CHEAT!! WTF WITH YOU????
 - So let me ask you the writer of this article,are you support Liverpool FC??? OR YOU ACTUALLY M.UNITED FAN???????? WE DO NOT NEED YOU HERE TO WRITE THIS (WTF) ARTICLE JUST TO TELL SUAREZ IS CHEAT WHEN ACTUALLY HE NOT!!!!

badman said...

I bet your kicking yaself now mate

Andy said...

How's that going for you know? Eighth placed in the league? WHAT A PLANK!

Andy said...

Isn't it just. I bet you're loving life under Dalglish now. HA HA HA. 

Darren said...

Haha.. love the comments.. Suarez really proved him wrong didn't he? Oh no.. turns out... he is a cheat. Who could of predicted that?

tony said...

wot a load of bollocks!!!!!!

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