7 Jun 2013

Transfer Travesty: LFC eye €10m 'disgrace to football'. Suarez mk II...?

Listen carefully: Can you hear that very faint, lilting noise in the distance? That's the sound of my skin crawling at the thought of Liverpool signing Carlos Tevez from Manchester City.

Multiple reports today claim that the Reds are considering a move for Tevez, who has only one year left on his current contract, and could consequently cost as little as £8m. According to The Mirror:

"The Anfield giants, who tried to sign Tevez when Kenny Dalglish was manager, have the Manchester City marksman on a list of possibles compiled in case Suarez pushes ahead with his bid to leave".

Talk about 'out of the frying pan and into the fire!'. Mercifully, the the fact that Tevez is 29, and reportedly on 200K a week wages, means that a deal is highly unlikely to be sanctioned by FSG.

Tevez is more trouble than he's worth, and I hate the idea of ignoring the potential negative impact of players just because they're good footballers.

Liverpool already did that Luis Suarez, and look what happened. Five months before he signed, I argued that the club should avoid signing Suarez. In the article, I stated:

"If Hodgson was to sign Suarez, my support for him would vanishinstantly. Such a player is the complete opposite of everything LFC stands for, and I have no doubt that he will cause problems for the club somewhere down the line, and those problems won't necessarily be cheating-related"

Liverpool ignored Suarez's cheating/biting past and signed him anyway, and as a result, the club's image and reputation suffered serious damage. Has it all been worth it?

I love Suarez as a player; he's a joy to watch, but that's what happens when you sell your soul for personal gain. Signing Tevez would be exactly the same, and I have no doubt that he would also cause problems for the club at some stage.

A whole host of Liverpool legends have gone on the record in the past with their distaste for Tevez. When asked last year if Liverpool fans would accept the Argentinean, Steve Nicol told ESPN

"Liverpool has a tradition, and bringing a mercenary like him [Tevez] in is not the Liverpool Way. I'd like to think that most Liverpool fans would think that way also".

In 2011, when Tevez allegedly refused to come on in a Champions League match against Bayern Munich, Roy Evans told LFC TV:

"As a professional he's been a disgrace. When you're playing for a club, you don't have to like the manager, but at the end of the day, you should be there playing, and he's not, and I think he's a poor professional".

Graeme Souness added:

"He (Tevez) is one bad apple. He's a disgrace to football. He epitomises what most people think is wrong with modern football".

At the time, I conducted a survey on the site to see if Nicol's view of the fans was correct, but - quelle surprise - 63% of the 9000+ participants voted in favour of Liverpool signing Tevez.

Yet another example of fans prioritising an individual's ability over potential negative impact on the club. Well, since Tevez is linked again with Liverpool, let's see what fans think now.



In my view, if Liverpool signed Tevez, it would show that club has learned absolutely nothing from the Luis Suarez saga.

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165 comments:

  1. Don't panic Jaimie, this is never gonna happen.

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  2. Hell yes.... well maybe at the right price

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  3. Or it could mean that Suarez has damaged us far less than you claim.

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  4. Sounds a lot like a smoke screen to me,besides, 200k a week?

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  5. I would jump at the chance to sign a player like TEVEZ!!!!
    do YOU NOT LIKE WORLD CLASS PLAYERS AT LIVERPOOL?

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  6. Yes, in the eyes of biased Reds fans who can't see past the end of their own noses. Ask any non-LFC fan what they thibk about Suarez and Liverpool, then globally extrapolate the response. Only an LFC fan woukd argue that it makes no difference.

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  7. he will see his contract out and then go back home. city are just tryin to get some poke back on him . so theres no chance of this happening

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  8. OMG GET A ANY ONE OF THE DEFENSIVE MIDS IN TOP HALF OF FRENCH LEAGUE!!! Why so much interest in a striker? We already have a ton of attacking potential (with Suarez or his Replacement). We need adequate cover for coutinho to operate as a 10 and a CDM paired with Lucas would be great

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  9. forget mid we need back cover itself

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  10. am i the only one who wants edin dzeko ? >_<

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  11. I would take Dzeko in a heartbeat.

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  12. Will never happen, but if your justification for not wanting him to come is that he would be suarez mark 2, then that, if anything, is reason to sign him. You stated "Liverpool already did that [with] Luis Saurez, and look what happened. Five months before he signed, I argued that the club should avoid signing Suarez".

    What happened was that for £20 million we signed a world class player that we will now make a £20 million + profit on. We signed a player who at times for the past two seasons has practically carried us single handedly and without whom our league position over the last two seasons would be even worse than it currently is. You couldn't have been more wrong with the signing of suarez, if we had the chance again I'm sure the huge majority of liverpool fans would sign him in a heartbeat

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  13. All the other fans are fair minded, balanced individuals, I assume?

    Perhaps there are some that would claim that a certain person cannot see beyond his own anti Suarez bias.

    Again: how exactly has the whole Suarez issue impacted Liverpool's ability to progress in the future, buy good players, or attract the sponsorship that we need going forward?
    Cos I don't give a monkey's what other clubs' fans think..

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  14. No chance and thats a good thing.

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  15. We need Huguin but preferably but I would be more than happy if we got Mario Gomez plus cash and then we could let Suarez go to Pep as Suarez agent is Pep's brother.

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  16. Not sure that he's carried us singlehandedly, but he has certainly been our only major threat in an awful lot of games, and scored 30 goals last season, who knows if whoever we would have bought would have done that or not? It's impossible to say.
    It's entirely possible that whomever it would have been had a good chance of NOT scoring that many, Certainly that's a higher possibility than scoring more- only Fowler has done better consistently, and Torres for 1 season only...

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  17. Jonathan Capozzola3:45 pm, June 07, 2013

    I have to say I agree here. Doesn't matter what other fans think of Liverpool, they wouldn't like us even if Suarez never came to Pool. Do you like ManU? How about Chelsea or Arsenal? Thought so...


    The idea that Suarez is ruining Liverpool's reputation is misguided and just plain false. He is ruining his own reputation, not the club's.

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  18. If all Liverpool fans keep the blinkers on and accept the baggage that comes with players like Suarez and Tevez, we not only destroy the good name of our fans, we destroy the history and fabric of everything the club stands for. Tevez is a no. No bloody way.

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  19. Totally agree with you about signing mental players but, surely Jamie, imagine the attack if it did happen!


    Sturridge
    Suarez Tevez
    Coutinho




    This is not even counting our other players. If BR somehow managed to calm them down and they screwed the nut, that attack could surmount a title challenge if it all worked, but it could also cause a riot followed by lots of biting and hissy fits!!!!

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  20. so we buy players baised on there good character lets vet every player before we sign him make sure he did not cheat when he was 10 or something,and if they fall over or foul someone we can sack them,we will be morally correct and in the blue square league in a few years

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  21. Exactly. There is no concrete evidence of this damage beyond the additional snipes in the press and I suppose we are now easy targets for an increasingly sanctimonious media.
    Some people now say they don't like Liverpool FC any more, having previously been apathetic or neutral. I can live with that. The others? No change.

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  22. It wouldn't matter to me if Tevez was the greatest player that ever lived. He's a greedy mercenary (IMO) and is nothing but trouble. I absolutely despise the idea that players should be given a pass just because they're good.




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  23. Jaimie i understand your points. but whats better, us getting back to being with the elites or staying as a midtable side with no CL football? every1 knows how LFC is, our historic stadium, our european glories. ruining the clubs image right now is a risk worth taking to get us back to the top. because i would rather have quality bad apples in my team like suarez and tevez who will give us a bad image then ever have to see the club that i love so much constantly finishing below 6th place.


    people like Tevez, Suarez and Robben may be cheats and bad apples but if it meant we get back to scoing goals at the Kop on a tuesday or wednesday night in the Champions League...which will mean so much to our supporters and the greats of LFC like Shankley, KD, john barnes and even Stevie G who knows thats where our prestigious club belongs.


    POINT is: i couldnt care less if our clubs image were known as murderers. if it meant we were winning titles again, and in europe every season i wouldnt care. if we were in the top 4 already and had plans to sign a bad apple then thats different. as for now, especially when man city are spendind 30M and 20M respectively on 28 year olds (fernandinho & navas), then as long as a bad apple can score 30 goals a season, he will be excused for helping the fans to see their dream of european nights at the KOP. YNWA

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  24. am sure all other clubs fans would think we were great if we gave all our good players away

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  25. I agree, I think with the mercenary aspect of today's players it's Suarez,s image which is more tarnished wherever he ends up, if it was a true lfc servant like carra or Stevie G who had behaved like Suarez I'd be more concerned but lfc will move on from him, we've been through far worse.

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  26. What are you on about? It's not about good character; there are certain players who have a negative history of causing problema and unrest, and Tevez is one of them. The FBI wouldn't hire Robert Hansson just because he did some great work for the CIA back in the day, would it?
    If the FBI was an irretrievably stupid organisation then that would happen, and that is stupid is exactly what LFC will be if the club signs Tevez.

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  27. In work there are man u fans, Swansea fans, Sunderland, wigan, tottenham fans, a Chelsea fan and a man city fan. I have just asked them would they have Suarez for their club every single one of them said they would have Suarez right now!!! that was a unanimous yes!!!!

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  28. Been through far worse than 19 games worth of bans, biting, diving, cheating and racial abuse? Such as...?



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  29. Ah yes, how convenient.


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  30. Hang on ... I ain't even gonna say it lol

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  31. if it means we realise our dream of winning titles and playing in europe in front of the Kop, then i will welcome tevez along. i dont care about our clubs image if were not in the CL and who does care. if we were to be then its a different story. but the club i love so much is slowing becoming an average side, and whilst we still have some sort of name we must get as much CL quality players as possible. bad apple or not because in the end, quality always bring back profit. no matter what

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  32. The FBI hired the most notorious conman of the 60s and 70's Frank Abignale, after he forged tens of millions of pounds and pretended to be an airline pilot, Deputy District Attorney, and Doctor.
    Not a good analogy......
    By the way, he is now world renowned and didn't cause any trouble since. He's also a millionaire, legitimately.

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  33. Behave Jamie, I was at heysel mate

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  34. You definitely see footballers differently to me. If a player is a genius (maradona, zidane, best) i couldnt care less. Its a results business, not a popularity contest.

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  35. Sorry Jaimie but this occasion (I think I'm gonna be sick) Jason has a point. Going on you're idea of buying a player cause he's a good boy doesn't always fly (every team needs players with a bit of fire in their belly). I agree to some extent that footballers are role models blah blah blah BUT if we get rid of all our best players because of their off the field antics, we'll be up poo creek without a paddle. Suarez for example has been a complete moron for his behaviour, however. In my opinion the club should have sorted him out internally and made sure he knew who was in charge - Not pandering!I still think the whole feeble attempt of the club to show they mean business is beyond a joke. I would have released a press conference to let the world know what's what - He ain't going, he's got a long contract, Luis if you open your mouth again, I'll fry your nuts and feed em to you type thing.

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  36. It goes without saying that Heysel/H'boro are far worse, but with respect, the issue here is clearly the negative impact of players on LFC.

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  37. Regardless if he cheats, bites someone, "racially abuses another player" and dirties the club name?

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  38. For the third time, Jamie, what exactly has been the supposed 'damage' to LFC?
    We haven't lost a single sponsor. We are still described as a top side by quality , coveted players. Attendances haven't fallen. Revenues haven't fallen, as far as I know.
    If all you've got to show is media articles and other fans' dislike, then SO WHAT?
    Prove it . Show us some tangiable proof of this 'damage'.....

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  39. No, you've toy misunderstood the analogy. My point is that the FBI wouldn't hire Hanssen to do the normal work of an FBI agent, i.e. Have unmonitored access to secret material etc. Abagnale didn't 'work' for the FBI in the traditional sense; he wasn't an agent. He was heavily controlled and used to do good.
    If LFC employs Tevez to go to schools and teach kids about the perils of being a greedy mercenary, then I'm all for that.



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  40. I don't need to provide proof. It is self evident, and if you're too blinkered and insular to see how LFC is affected then I can't help you. You're just like the super-patrots in the US who steadfastly refuse to accept that the USA/UK's reputation across the globe was damaged by intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Perpetual denial, but you're entitled to it.


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  41. did maradonna have a negative impact on napoli

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  42. I think his point was that LFC endured, even through the most horrendous negative publicity and name-calling after those events ..
    Suarez is chicken feed after that, even if it is as bad as you claim.

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  43. so we do not sign players who are greedy mercenarys thats great rules out about 99.9% of professional footballers then

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  44. Please outline Maradona's list of heinous crimes in a Napoli shirt. Thanks.



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  45. i meant hypotheticly if we had any ;-)

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  46. Jonathan Capozzola4:26 pm, June 07, 2013

    It's not denial, it is just a different opinion than yours.

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  47. You need to forget about all this mercenary bollox.

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  48. And you make that irrelevant point why, exactly? Obviously it's a different opinion, and it's my opinion that that fans who thinj that way are in denial. Is that okay with you?



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  49. I wouldn't touch tevez with a shitty stick Jamie, was just saying the club will move on from Suarez ok :)

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  50. oh a forgot its only on the pitch dose not matter about a bit of coke in his freetime,and then they was the hand of god not that it bothers me but it was blatent cheating infact he was nearly as bad as suarez;-)

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  51. I would contend that there IS proof that it has not impacted us adversely in the most important areas.
    IF you were right about this massive damage to our reputation, then players wouldn't want to come here. Companies would withdraw sponsorship deals and backing, shirt sales would fall, and our overall name would diminish far beyond the current 'scandal'
    NONE of those things have occurred.
    Which leaves your claim somewhat limited to * what people say*
    Of course we could have done without any of it. We would prefer not to have been associated with such things. Nobody is denying that, you often like to claim that they are so blinkered, whilst demonstrating similar behaviour yourself.
    But the damage is NOT as bad as you purport
    Because LFC is more than one man's actions

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  52. Jonathan Capozzola4:37 pm, June 07, 2013

    I'm too busy to type out a response to your narrow minded response. You still have no proof that Suarez's actions directly impact Liverpool's reputation in a negative way. Liverpool were their own worst enemy with the way they handled the Evra incident, and they handled the bite just fine. Again, Suarez is damaging his own reputation and not the reputation of the club. And before you try to say it again, no I'm not in denial, just being realistic.

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  53. The club's image and reputation have not suffered serious damage because of Suarez.


    The club's image and reputation have suffered serious damage because the club mishandled the Suarez situation.


    And more importantly, the club hasn't had the overall success in recent years. That's more to do with the damage to the club's image and reputation than anything Suarez has ever done here.


    And that's not to absolve Suarez of any wrongdoing. But it's not his fault the club mismanaged the situations. That's 100% on the club as they choose what to do given the situations.

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  54. Jonathan Capozzola4:40 pm, June 07, 2013

    Exactly, they screwed up the Evra incident big time. That was not Suarez's fault. The incident obviously was, but the way Liverpool handled it was not.

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  55. Jonathan Capozzola4:49 pm, June 07, 2013

    Exactly, but he'll argue his point and won't provide proof because he doesn't like losing an argument. Instead he'll probably just put you down.

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  56. your an enabler who is in denial

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  57. Jonathan Capozzola4:50 pm, June 07, 2013

    You're*


    And I'm not in denial.

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  58. I agree Islesfan, but the proof of your denial is to suggest that Suarez is not to blame for the Evra situation. I guess it must have been some other Uruguayan striker who incited the whole thing.
    LFC's response was amateur hour but if not for Suarez, the whole thing would never have happened.
    The fact you can see your own denial is amazing.



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  59. is actually mate, i am in work skiving on the web!!!, think yourself lucky i visit your site instead of doing work!!

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  60. jaimie if you ever have grandchildren do not tell them the story of the mythical monster (the suarez)who for two and a half years was belivied to be responsable for half the murders in the uk in that period,and would have carried on for many years if the dashing duo of shearluck kanwar and doctor fa had not flushed him out

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  61. It's friday afternoon; skiving should be expected :-)


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  62. do not try to kid yourself you are in denial;-)

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  63. I won't need to tell them; they'll learn about him in history class at school, alongside Stalin, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein.



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  64. hes worse than them;-)

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  65. Combined with groupthink. It's a deadly combination. Next, someone will argue that Suarez is 'not at fault' for the Ivanovic bite.



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  66. i do not think anyone is trying to make suarez out to be an angel,hes done wrong and paid the price ,its life you move on murders get released from prison once they have served there sentence ,they do not have the media running after them waiting for the next one

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  67. Jonathan Capozzola5:03 pm, June 07, 2013

    In denial about what? I never said that Suarez should go around calling people names or biting them, all I'm saying is that his actions in the long run will not harm Liverpool's reputation. The club is bigger than any one player, correct? Players come and go, some with high moral standards and many without - but to think that Liverpool will suffer due to Suarez's actions is just wrong.

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  68. Honestly- no.

    I like watching footballers score goals. I listen to them imparting wisdom. Is Man Utds name forever dirtied cos Cantona fly kicked a fan? Chelseas for the actions of Graham Rix? Hearts for employing a sex offender? Not really.

    I dont want Suarez to leave because he is sublime. For me thats all that matters. Essentially its like the "i have a dream" speech- except i dont care about the content of his character- just goals.

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  69. do not post it to me i agree with you 100% but i think i,am in denial i know i am an enabler i have been told this loads before;-)

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  70. Jonathan Capozzola5:07 pm, June 07, 2013

    There is no "groupthink" involved here, thank you. I can form my own opinions. I'm pretty sure any level headed person can see that Suarez is at fault for the Ivanovic bite, it was ridiculously stupid. But again, that was Suarez's fault, not Liverpool's. They didn't tell him to go out there and bite people.

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  71. It's nit difficult; I just have better things to do. It's like asking for proof that water is wet. The answer is so self evident that there's no point trying to explain. A person who asks that question clearly is never going to accept the answer, irrespective of the proof.

    In any event, just to get it on the record in some form, I plan to post an article soon outlining in detail how Suarez hurt LFC. Then, others will have something to refer to when faced with fans who insist Suarez has not damaged the club's image.

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  72. PFA already cleared his name by saying that Man City had NO EVIDENCE of gross misconduct. The truth is that he only refused to RESUME warm-up, as he indeed already warmed-up. Already warmed-up was the proof that he indeed wanted to come on and play. If he didn't want to play he wouldn't have to warm up in the first place. He refused to resume warm-up perhaps he thought Mancini was messing with him, with Mancini having a foul mood at that moment. This can happened when you have a poor man-manager in the club who never cares about his players. Check the fact first before you slam him like the rest of the clueless British Media.

    By the way, Tevez broke a Premier League record this season - being subbed by Mancini for 24 times. World record maybe. Clearly a sign Mancini wanted to mess with him so that to make sure he would be gone in the summer. But ironically, the one who supposed to be "finished" with the club outlasted Mancini.

    But still, it is highly unlikely he would choose Liverpool over Juventus. He has been in England for 7 years now. For a foreign player, that looks like a lifetime. Italy is more tempting as a new challenge for South American players. Juventus are always the top 3 club, almost guaranteed CL every season. Can Liverpool offer him CL year in year out? All the advantage is on Juve, not Liverpool.

    The only way Liverpool can get him is to guarantee him main striker role for full 90 minutes week in week out, just like Suarez, as long as he maintain good performance of course. The best players always love the trust of the manager on them being a main player, not some bit part role. He would repay trust with great performance. Only a manager like Fergie who was clueless about South American players and manager like Mancini who was poor in man-management can't bring out the best in him.

    By the way, Graeme Souness is a son of a b*tch. A worst manager ever existed. He also had a reputation of messing with players like Andy Cole, revealed by Andy Cole himself. Carlos Tevez had a "hilarious" dig on his worst managerial career - that "football is not easy" interview. Just search the net for the interview.



    Never trust a word from foolish people like Souness who never even knew him in person. Never judge a person if you don't really know him. You should rather trust words from his teammates like Andy Cole, like David Silva. His current or ex teammates know him better than you and I.

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  73. Jonathan Capozzola5:07 pm, June 07, 2013

    Sorry it is difficult to detect sarcasm through text.

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  74. your going to have to stop this agreeing with me lark ;-)

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  75. Check the facts? Perhaps you should learn to read; maybe then you'd spot the word 'allegedly'.



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  76. Jonathan Capozzola5:10 pm, June 07, 2013

    If it is so self-evident, as you claim, then why even both writing an article on it for others? Just let them tell us all it is so self-evident and we are so dense for missing it.

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  77. Yes, that's how it works in the real world: the employer is never vicariously liable for the actions of its employees.
    You can't separate Suarez's actions from the club; they are inextricably linked.

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  78. jaimie is this your last thread today(just i,ve noticed if your not going to do another thread for a while you always leave it with a juicy one ,so we can entertain ourselves)

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  79. Jonathan Capozzola5:15 pm, June 07, 2013

    Are we not in the real world? I don't get it.... how can Liverpool be responsible for what Suarez does on the field? Short of putting a muzzle on him they can't prevent him from biting someone if he chooses to do so.

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  80. As I said, there many other fans who feel like I do, and they're regularlyy faced with denial-afflicted fans with a taste for self-serving revisionism. A detailed article will give those fans something to point at and say 'here is the proof'.
    Denial is not predicated on being 'dense' - even the most intelligent people can sufer from denial. Once upon a time, the world's cleverest scientists pigheadedly believed that the world was flat. Why? Denial.



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  81. No, I still have another article to post later, entitled: '10 reasons why Luis Suarez is the antichrist'. Much juicier, believe me.



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  82. liverpool4life5655:18 pm, June 07, 2013

    He 29, on 200K so no, if he dropped his wages then yes I would but highly unlikely.

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  83. Well let's see what evidence there is to the contrary, since there is plenty to disprove your assertions.
    As we're putting things on record, very few if any people are saying that there's been NO damage to LFC.
    What's at issue here is the severity of that damage. I believe you've overstated it and continue to act like it's somehow become such that we would be better off without anything Suarez has done positively for the club.
    I don't care if David Cameron or Robert Mugabe doesn't like us or Suarez. Or if Company X now has decided to look elsewhere.
    As long as our commercial standing continues ( not some notional Deloitte rating or estimated worth , by the way, I mean actual pound notes) then I reckon it's a footnote, not a turning point , in LFC history

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  84. Jonathan Capozzola5:20 pm, June 07, 2013

    There are also many fans who feel that Suarez's actions harm only himself. I still don't see how that is denial. Did Keane's actions hurt ManU? Last I checked they are still the best team in the EPL and seem to have quite a few fans as well. Why? Because the club is bigger than any one player.

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  85. Rubbish. Nobody had presented them with the theory that it was round.
    Once somebody had proved the theory, it was universally accepted.
    By the way, You are one of the denial afflicted. You're simply denying a different thing. Being in the minority does not mean that you are any more discerning or correct any more than being in a majority does.

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  86. nasty vermin . youre right about CT , wrong about LS

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  87. Fair point. Although you actually said 'hire'
    Which they did.

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  88. Ah yes, because it's human nature to universally accept a new theory when mankind has believed something different for hundreds of years (!)

    You're right, though. I imagine that's exactly how it was: someone posited the theory that the earth was not actually flat, and the entire scientific community just accepted it in five minutes flat. No debate. disagreement, vilification, banishment or punishment for having such an incendiary view. Kind of like the Salem witch trials; when compelling arguments were presented to suggest that certain women were not, in fact, witches, the judges just fell into line, accepted the evidence without argument, and chose not to hang any innocent women as a result.

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  89. Iago Aspas - ST 25 - Celta Vigo - £7.7M :- replace Carrol
    Henrikh Mkhitaryan - AM 24 - Shakthar - £22M :- addition
    Tiago Ilori - CB 20 - Sporting Lisbon - £3M :- replace coates
    Kolo Toure - CB 32 - Man City - FREE :-replace carragher
    Denilson - DM 25 - Arsenal - FREE :- competition lucas
    Keisuke Honda - AM 26 - CSKA - FREE :- replace assaidi
    Thomas Ince - RW 21 - Blackpool - £7M :- replace downing

    Total: £39.7Million.

    sell Carrol for £15M, sell skrtel for £12M, sell downing for £7M, sell coates for £6M, sell assaidi for £2M, sell spearing for £1M and sell joe allen for £7M. altogeher that is £50M coming in

    we need to try to take full advantage of this transfer window. i know people will complain about denilson but ive always rated him highly and hes still young. at winning back possesion, hes second to none, whilst having a high work rate and that bit of flair makes him a valuable addition. for a free transfer, the club cant go wrong and he will definately get lucas on his toes and add to the brazilians in our dressing room. whilst Keisuke Honda is a world class player who decided to run down his contract in favour of a move to a bigger club. his contract runs out in november and will be available in the summer for £3m. risk? more like a bargain, if we buy him we will have a mata/ronaldo type player amongst our ranks. plus the asian player weve been needing for some time now. ince will keep the english core in our team, and whilst he got 18 goals/15 assists last season as a winger, his contribution should be superiors to downing and he'll improve. Henrikh Mkhitaryan will be our marquee signing, and im sure he'll repay the favour. 30 goals/12 assists in 42 games is astonishing for a midfielder and i think we will have our goalscoring midfielder in him once he joins. Martin Kelly will return, and that will feel like a transfer in itself, massive boost.

    send shelvey on loan, send sterling on loan and send suso on loan. all to preferably Premier League clubs and let them get experience

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  90. liverpool4life5655:52 pm, June 07, 2013

    Denison? Your joking right?

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  91. Jonathan Capozzola5:52 pm, June 07, 2013

    I don't really see what this has to do with Suarez. Not in denial, I just believe that he is hurting his reputation way more than Liverpool's. I think history would agree, how many teams have lost their fans due to the players they had? That's right, 0.

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  92. NonEventHorizon6:04 pm, June 07, 2013

    Just my 2 pence worth of disagreement with you:

    In light of Suarez's antics have any of our sponsors gone as far as breaking financial ties with us? No

    Have any of our sponsors been heard through the media talking about Suarez since the initial had-to-be-seen-to-be-said-lip-service "warning"? Ummm.... nope!

    Have our shirt sales/ merchandise sales taken a massive tumble since signing Suarez? I very much doubt it

    Do non-football-following people still bring this up as a topic of conversation in the media (broadcast/written/etc etc) and so further the "demise" of our brand and public image? Well, I haven't seen it.

    Just a thought.... but didn't Mourinho use the "whole-worlds-aginst-us" psychology to great affect !?! Cause you see, like Mike and Jonothan, I don't care what other teams fans or pundits think of us as long as we are winning. I mean isn't that the object of the game, to win? Surely winning will get us back into the CL and PL contention.

    Are we more likely to win with Suarez in the team? Hmmm... tricky one to answer objectively really and the last couple of games of the season don't prove yes or no, being realistic. So I'll just say "Yes", especially with a pre-season gelling even more with PC and DS.

    By saying the above am I dishonouring our club or any of my fellow supporters? Personally I don't think so

    What would I say to someone who said I support the player over the club or that I have the type of attitude that "enables" Suarez's actions? That's up to them to have that opinion, but I support our players *because* they play for Liverpool, *FOR* Liverpool.

    Would I take £50m for him right now? Damn straight I would, that there represents some serious squad strengthening.

    Would I like Tevez at LFC assuming the contract was right for us? Absolutely, he's a quality footballer who is still proven at the highest level and he doesn't make habitually bad decisions or end up in the press every other week.

    Would I still look forward to your articles as much if we got rid of Suarez if onlyto protect our "fair-trade-peace-love-and-mung-beans-we-won't-say-boo-to-a-goose" public image? Absolutely not ;-)

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  93. Just saw Franco di Santo has been released by Wigan. Wasn't he a target a while ago?

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  94. simply competition. i strongly believe denilson is better than joe allen. and for free, we actually cant go wrong. watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-xy_Vpbt6w

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  95. NonEventHorizon6:11 pm, June 07, 2013

    Not okay if you won't reason it when asked specifically. It's my opinion that David Cameron eats babies dipped in tax-payers gold and if I'm asked to prove that opinion and can't then surely it's not as valid an opinion anymore

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  96. NonEventHorizon6:15 pm, June 07, 2013

    Ivanovic clearly had BBQ sauce on his arm and practically thrust it into Suarez's mouth on a day that he hadn't had his breakfast. A simple pancake before the game and it would've all been different... :)

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  97. Great chance for the two of us to make fools of ourselves in the Prem next season (we both are surely not up to the standard and, well, quite a bit above the average age, too). At least everyone would have a good laugh.

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  98. A bit like Mascherano, Torres and other then. Where would we be without those greedy mercenaries that are today's footballers.

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  99. I don`t have a problem with us signing Tevez. I can`t see any comparison though with him and Suarez. Suarez always gave his all when on the pitch, Tevez`s problem was he didn`t want to go onto the pitch. The counter opposite of Suarez.


    Now if you had done this topic but about Aspa, then I would see why you linked them. As it is you haven`t.


    The comparison as a whole is one of the most random things I think I read from you Jamie, still each to his own.


    On topic, Tevez is still a quality player and If Suarez goes then I would be happy with him at the club. He would improve us so why not. I really don`t care to much what the players are like tbh, as long as they give there all for us.


    Being over moral about football aint my thing. It`s something I enjoy for a bit of fun. If I wanted to be over moral I would comment on a politics website/forum. If Suarez goes to Real, it would appear they have the same view as me, and oddly they win a lot of stuff too. Sad as it maybe for some to admit, in sport the winners are the ones who care about quality only.

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  100. not me m8 i would want the money;-)

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  101. well, thanks almighty you aren't responsible for LFC transfer. I would love team full of suarez, tevez, ibra, balotelli...!!

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  102. not me i would go for the money,it could be my last chance;-)

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  103. I see red people6:50 pm, June 07, 2013

    We are not signing Tevez. His wages are ridiculous so let move on from this rumour.

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  104. i would not have him in a million years but i do not think your comments about suarez are helping us either

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  105. I didn't mean we'd have to play for free. Guess none of us would jump ship as soon as, well, a team of Jasons and Anteaters would get relegated. My guess would be that even a second division player earns more than any of us.

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  106. Do you think Ajax have had their rep damaged from Suarez,s antics when he was there, I think most fans recognise he doesn't represent the spirit of our club

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  107. According to this league two players get £742 a week on average. That aint to bad for league two tbh. Although I can happly say I earn more than a league two player, although not a league one player :-(


    http://soccerlens.com/finance-in-english-football-wage-disparities-between-the-divisions/92692/

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  108. When something is so self-evident, wasting time providing reasons is (IMO) just another way to feed ignorance. If someone asked you to prove a wheel is round, would you spend valuable time outlining the obvious, or use that time to greater effect elsewhere?

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  109. yes the money is good right down the leagues even semi pros not bad

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  110. Didi Hamann said that he'd be a good signing (!) - That's where the speculation probably came from.

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  111. what do you mean a wheel is round?;-)

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  112. bit like MJ aint it. "in terms of his music he was amazing".

    The beauty of doing well in life is your crimes dont count. All players play for money and I don`t blame them. dIf you Doubled my wage I would be off to the next company too (in prinicple as I work for myself, but you get me).

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  113. "And that's NOT to absolve Suarez of any wrongdoing".


    Is there something unclear about that?


    Where did I ever say that Suarez wasn't to blame for the Evra incident?


    Let me be more clear now:


    1. Luis Suarez is 100% to blame for the Patrice Evra racism incident.


    2. LFC completely mismanaged the incident after the fact, and Liverpool Football Club alone is 100% to blame for mismanaging the situation.


    They are both at fault in their own ways.


    My point was that Suarez's actions reflect poorly on himself and the club, but the club's reputation was not seriously damaged because of Suarez.


    The club was seriously damaged because the club handled the situation in an unimaginably poor way from beginning to end.


    Luis Suarez said what he said (we all know what it was so I don't need to repeat it) and he was wrong.


    If LFC came out and handled it correctly, saying that this behavior would not be tolerated and he would deal with both the FA and the club, people would have been giving the club applause for handling it as such.


    Instead, LFC came out and played it out as though Suarez was a victim and persecuted wrongly. That's LFC's choice and they chose wrong.


    In this whole situation, LFC was its own worst enemy.

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  114. Islesfan - that comment about denial was not aimed at you, it was directed at Jonathan. I missed out the word 'with' in the opening sentence (i agree with Islesfan) - Sorry about that!

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  115. Jaimie's comments aren't hurting anyone.


    Except for maybe Jason! :)

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  116. He'll be Everton's version of Joe Allen!

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  117. Absolutely. They don't share the same passion for a particular club. Well, they may, but at some point they move to a bigger, more successful club that offers better opportunities for them to fulfil their potential.

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  118. nope. I would take him at the club. Really good player

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  119. Ask any non Utd fan about them and you will prob get the same response. I wouldn`t look to much into what fans of other clubs think as by the very nature of the sport, you tend to dislike all other teams, or most anyway.

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  120. Some people say Tevez is a greedy mercenary. The truth is: He chose Man City because he wanted to stay in England, not because of their money. He wouldn't have joined Chelsea as he despises hypocrites like Terry and Ballack. He wouldn't have joined Arsenal as Wenger couldn't pay 25 million. He wouldn't have joined Liverpool back then as a respect to Man Utd fans (but later found out Man Utd fans disrespected him), plus Liverpool might not pay 25 million due to global financial crisis and the former owners being stingy. Excluding all these English clubs, leaving him only one choice: Man City.

    Man City actually got lucky signing him as they are his only choice in England. He would have joined Real Madrid easily if he didn't insist to stay in England as Sporting Director of Real Madrid Mijatovic confirmed interest in him. This was a real interest, not some flimsy rumour.

    He wouldn't even have left Man Utd if Fergie signed him up quickly enough.

    Now he actually take pay cut about to join Juventus (personal term is strongly rumoured to have been agreed, based on major bettings suspended). If he is really that greedy, why the heck he would join Juventus with pay cut? Brian Marwood of Man City actually confirmed a few months ago that they still try to convince Tevez to sign extension of contract till the summer. Staying at Man City would get better pay.

    A greedy person would not have rejected Man City extension to take Juventus pay cut. This is the proof that he is not greedy.

    Same thing like he took pay cut about to join AC Milan. But that deal blew off.

    After spending 7 years in England, for a South American player, 7 years are quite enough. It is undertandable for a foreign player to look for pasture green in another country for a fresh challenge.

    Calling him mercenary just because he wants to change environment means some people are not sensible enough to understand the mindset of the foreign players. After all, England is not his native country. It is impossible for him to stay "loyal" for over 7 years as he is not British. Playing under Mancini for 3 and a half seasons looked like a torment to him as he never actually played his best football in England. He never liked Mancini anywhere, why stay?

    Bet you don't know his side of the story, or you just don't care.

    So, based on everything above, Liverpool had no chance to sign him. No worry for some sensitive souls who don't want him. Tevez never chooses you in the first place actually.

    He alongside with Suarez might have saved Kenny Daglish for being sacked if the "swap deal" with Andy Carroll went through, instead he came back to save Mancini's ass. You never know.

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  121. Nice spin. Emphasis on spin.

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  122. I don't like him as I think he is a piece of work at times but as a player, he is quality. He should once and for all go to a club and country where he can be properly comfortable and happy and maybe we'll see how good he really is, before he goes into the twilight period of his career.

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  123. Jonathan Capozzola9:57 pm, June 07, 2013

    Don't talk to me like I'm a child. I never said Suarez is not to blame for the Evra incident. Please show me where I said this. What I am saying is the reason Liverpool looked so bad in that situation is that their response was comical. If they came down harder on him, with an immediate and firm response, Liverpool could have come out of this relatively unscathed.

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  124. Jonathan Capozzola10:11 pm, June 07, 2013

    Nice, deleted your original comment. Must be nice to have that button.

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  125. He'll be free. We paid 15 mil quids for Joe 'Shorty'

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  126. Why are some people so hung up on the fact Suarez only just signed a new contract with liverpool?
    It's obvious he only did it for THE PAY-RISE! He knew if he wanted to leave it wouldn't really be able to stop him! Contracts with buy out clauses don't mean jack, in my humble opinion!

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  127. that was actually pretty funny J-Rock

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  128. there is no self evidence here. My view is your clearly in denial. No two ways about it. All evidence suggests Suarez hasn`t had any real provable negative impact i.e. sponsorship, gate tickets etc. Therefore it would appear we are the ones saying the world is round as we have evidence of such, and you are sticking with it being flat, and conventantly refusing to provide evidence.

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  129. Better things to do than running his own site and replying to posts on his topic? Errrr....
    Oh I see , better things to do than reply to me since his point is so hilariously self evident that all my arguments are the hysterical ramblings of a Denial Afflicted, Blinkered, Enabler with Groupthink mentality and self-serving revisionist tendencies.
    Glad we've got that sorted.
    Here I was with such misguided views
    Thank you for putting me straight.

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  130. You may note that I said PROVED the theory. Not posited it.
    And some might say that when compelling arguments are presented to oppose certain views of yours, that they are branded in exactly the same way as the witches....

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  131. Yes, we heard you loud and clear. You are in denial and are also an enabler. But, above all, you are a creator and an inventor of words. You are a teacher's nightmare.

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  132. I think we are desperately linking up with any 'good' strikers/forwards around ever since we know LS may be leaving. Tevez, 5 yrs ago will be a good choice but certainly not now. Character, personality and professionalism aside, he's a good footballer, no doubt about it, I think.

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  133. No way in hell...


    If liverpool signs Tevez, i might as well stop watching football...

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  134. Nice read, I totally agree.

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  135. and you are a f"cking bore who only use in life is to bore people about grammer

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  136. Tevez has brought the title to each EPL club he's joined. I'm not as prejudiced as those high moral ground pundits

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  137. Because it doesn't :-) They don't buy our jerseys anyway. They don't get SkySports subscriptions to watch us, they don't decide whether their company will sponsor us etc. It would be harmful if great, one of a kind players would not sign for us because of him or that sponsors won't sponsor us because of him but players as well as big corporation decision makers are a lot less, say, morally strict than you are. Anyway, what right has a manyoo supporter who has cheered for Goram, Cantona or Keane to be outraged about Suarez?

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  138. We should sell Suarez, Ajax had never won the dutch league since 03/04 and when Suarez went they won it 3x times in a row.

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  139. we really should get hamman barnes and co into our scouting dept ......with their experience they will definitely help us find good players

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  140. i take it ur refering to suarez :P ?

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  141. the only person i dont want in a red shirt is el hadji diouf nuff said :D

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  142. Funny you should mention him, I'd forgotten all about that odious little *****

    Still, GREAT EXAMPLE. It proves my point that one individual player, even one who habitually brought bad publicity to the club, does NOT tarnish that club's reputation unduly.

    When did you last hear anybody say LFC? they had that guy Diouf?

    EXACTLY. Never. Only the player himself is reviled.

    Same with Cantona

    Same with Mutu.
    Anybody remember Scott, a Chelsea player found dealing coke and crack? Didn't think so.
    So- two players found to be involved with drugs at a top PL team.
    When was the last time you heard anything associating Chelsea with drugs?
    Like I said, proved my point.

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  143. i still dont want el hadji diouf at pool :D

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  144. Wow with all the words you have used coming up with bad analogies you could have instead "proved" that Suarez has damaged Liverpool in some way.

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  145. Ok. I see. You dont have anything personal against Suarez.
    After all, you were just racist againts South Americans!
    You can say anything you want but ...........Thats it!

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  146. Your analogies are terrible.

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  147. Jamie you talk so much sense ! I wish ALL supporters were as non-biased and fair minded as you !

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  148. Ooooh . . . . Some world class player who no one has heard of has said your exciting and your a step up from Ajax !! I bet your buzzing off that ( you must be, you've quoted that at least twice now ).
    So I suppose it's the league title next season then ? You've lost no sponsors but you have lost so so so much credability around the 'red tinted' world !

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  149. Do you go to bed rehearsing those lines ?

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  150. All this talk about Tevez is stupid ! Yes, he did move twice from West Ham and got amazing money BUT he went to two sides that went on to win the title ! 1) LFC can't and won't win the title 2) LFC can't and won't pay him between 150 and 200k per week ! Silly conversation in my book !

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  151. Plenty of people have heard of him.
    Not you though apparently. And we're supposed to take you seriously?
    If it's a 'red tinted' world , why exactly would we have lost credibility?
    Infantile attempt at reasoning. Do one.

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  152. lol its rumours and we can dream

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  153. I agree with JK and I do fall in his category. Even though LS has been and is a world class player that does not give him a license to do whatever he wants to do and get away with it. Yes it does hamper the image of the club.

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  154. I hate being perdantick Myke butt I think CREDIBILITY has an i in the middle NOT an L ? Sorrry abowt that lid ! Ya BEAUT !

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  155. Winning titles ? Seriously ?
    Hello . . Hello . . . Earth calling !!
    Just looked up "DELUDED" in the dictionary, it said "Dream world inhabited by Kopites" . . . HAHAHA

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