18 Oct 2012

Shut your mouth! Hamann slams France star for 'derogatory' attack on Suarez...

Liverpool legend Dietmar Hamann has slammed Arsenal's Laurent Koscielny for sticking his nose into the Luis Suarez diving affair, accusing the defender of unfairly trying to influence the FA.

In an interview with L'Equipe earlier this week, Koscielny labelled Suarez a 'cheat', and claimed the Uruguayan is a 'player who likes to dive':

"He [Suarez] is tiresome to defend against. He cheats.

"He pulls your shirt, giving small blows.

"You always want to give him a kick but you have to be careful not to be sent off.

"He is a player who likes to dive as soon as there is contact"


Koscielny is entitled to his opinion, and I agree with him: like so many other elite footballers (like Gareth Bale, Wayne Rooney et al], Suarez quite clearly is a cheat, but should the France International be allowed to attack a fellow professional in public?

Hamann doesn't think so, and he believes such public accusations make a mockery of the alleged 'respect' campaign, which the German described as 'laughable', adding:

"Koscielny calling Suarez a cheat? I hope FA take a firm stance [against players who say things like that in public] at some point. How do we expect respect from the fans if players dont?

"Managers and players should not be talking derogatory about opposing players.

"If the FA thinks they have to take action against Suarez they will do; its not down to Pulis and Koscielny putting more oil in the fire"


I don't see how the FA can take action against players for stating their opinions in public, especially when the opinion is true. It's not only opposing players who are tired of Suarez's antics; ex-LFC player have also labelled him a 'cheat' in public.

In a recent column for the Liverpool Daily Post, John Aldridge observed:

"What Suarez did on Sunday was wrong. He was cheating to try to gain an advantage. I want Suarez to stop it because when referees see him do things like that it just reinforces the reputation he’s got for going to ground too easily and it costs him decisions. I hate seeing diving and something needs to be done about it"

Whether Suarez, Bale et al can be classified as 'cheats' is a matter of debate, but I'm quite sure that if, say, Suarez filed a defamation claim against Koscielny over being publicly branded a 'cheat', it would fail miserably.

Cheat: "Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination"

The main defence to a defamation claim is 'truth', and there's plenty of evidence to support the contention that Suarez is, in fact, a cheat.

There's a simple solution to this mess: DON'T DIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

No diving = no one moaning about it in the press.

Jaimie Kanwar


118 comments:

  1. they also said he is being victomised when he went down that was after getting stamped on that was after getting kicked all match and the ref openly laughing when he lifted his shirt to show stud marks.did you not have the bottle to write about his getting no protection off refs or is it easier to jump on the band wagon of idiots to discriminate against a easy target your like the rest of scum jernos with no balls.

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  2. dear hamann you must be the only blind cnt who can not see a bad dive by ur super con diver suarez OPEN ur eyes cnt

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  3. Everyone cheats at football. When the ball goes out of play, both players claim the throw. When a player commits a foul, he cheats by definition as outlined above.

    Your point is not accepted

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  4. This is getting tiresome with suarez there are other players out there doing the same thing but it just seems the press want to keep the spot light on liverpool fc and its players at the moment its like a witch hunt.people seem to forget about a certain man u player ronaldo who at the slight glimpse of a breeze would topple over like he had just been hit by a train so now i guess we have to put up with this worthless dribble coming out in the press keep up the good work forcing a talented player out of england .

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  5. since 2002 season man u have had more pens than any other prem team we have all seen 4 or 5 of there players dive all the time why not do a story on that or does fergie pull your strings [truth].

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  6. Fair point Jaimie.
    Hamann should go have a word and tell Suarez, "if you want to stop all the bad press, play like a man and stay on your f**king feet"!!

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  7. Diving and cheating has been going on for many years and its not going to stop so people should get over it. Every team does it and even the most honest of players will have cheated at some point. You do not make it as a professional football with out a huge will to win, and that means that players will cross the line to gain an advantage. Many of the greatest players of all time have cheated.
    From the definition of cheating, a deliberate foul would also fit into this bracket, or a handball incident or even shouting at the referee to encourage a decision. This happens at all levels of the sport, so is more that just Luis Suarez.

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  8. you are unbelieveable with your suarez hatred.. its getting so boring

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  9. jeff jeff465@aol.com1:23 pm, October 18, 2012

    Suarez by any definition of the meaning in football terminology is a diver and therefor a cheat. However he is not the only one doing it - and Kos should have made a general point about diving and cheating - rather than just aim his comments at one player - now every time an Arsenal - or French player ( the French have a couple of serial divers in their squad Ribery being one of them ) goes down like they have been shot by a sniper after a slight contact then these comments will come back to haunt Kos - you can't be selective regarding diving and cheating in football. Kos's nasty kick on a Spanish players shin that gave away a penalty to Spain the other night looked rather dangerous - and he was lucky not to get a red card for it. Diving is cheating - but it doesn't break players legs - or possibly even end their careers.

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  10. Diving in football will be eradicated/invariably punished as soon as technologies allow for determination of every instance of it, and then we will be laughing at people suggesting now that it is not going to stop.

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  11. i supose pulling and draging a player in the box is the hight of sportsmanship,one rule 4 me, the chair 4 you.

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  12. As far as am concerned I don't even c any players without divin, so all players were cheat and divin and if they want 2 eradicat it! It left 2 d FA not a player lik koncienly or whatever his name he is 2 said. Suarez is one of dive player and they r many not jst only suarez is dvin in premiership!!!

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  13. koseilny is a shit defender anyway. his opinion doesnt mean much.suarez doesnt care anyway probs aughing his head off.

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  14. To be fair, Suarez IS cheating, but there's no punishment for what he's doing - other than a yellow card if the referee thinks the situation deems it worthy.

    Therefore, Suarez isn't 'cheating' in a particularly imaginative or detrimental way really. He's basically taking a risk that he might get booked every time he falls to the ground - and on recent evidence, the odds are extremely stacked against him.

    However, the punishment is worth that risk, it seems. And if that's the case, then it could be argued that Suarez is still playing within the rules of the game, and that the referee's talent is the major factor here.

    What Suarez does is certainly less of a blight on the game of football than some of the vicious tackles that actually get aimed at players like him, tackles that are apparently deemed punishable to the same extent as a dive - merely a yellow card.

    But sadly, the English haven't progressed past the delusion that they're all 'gentlemen who love a good tackle', but woe betide any degree of gamesmanship, or indeed professional imagination, that might threaten to seep into the game.

    I would like to point out though that Suarez has been doing these crazy, theatrical dives for nearly 2 years in England now, and the fact that it's only really hit the headlines in the last 2 weeks is interestingly convenient timing when you consider Tony Pulis's attempts to deflect attention away from Robert Huth, and indeed, John Terry's racism conviction.

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  15. hes a manc thats why he doesnt like liverpool or suarez have you ever seen a posative piece wrote by him about liverpool

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  16. Suarez can't win with the detractors and English press, he was assaulted at Carrow Road and nothing was done about it. Other players have far worse diving records and aren't in the papers every day.
    When he finishes this season as top scorer, maybe people will start to give him the credit he deserves.

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  17. no matter what them say about suares is not going to force him out of liverpool,so let them say whatever them like.

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  18. ...suarez is a consistent cheat...from holland...world cup...england...any wherever he plays...
    ...a fairly talented player but unfortunately talented in cheating as well...

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  19. Oh, I see Ken. So it's ok to cheat, as long as you've been mishandled yourself. That clears it all up. Kos also mentions that Suarez likes stick the foot in off the ball but when he gets some back he wants to cry.

    He's an absolute disgrace anyone defending him is beyond help.

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  20. Good to see Didi still shouting for the reds..
    I'm not saying all footballers are cheats but they all try to gain an advantage. The ball goes out of play and 22 players shout 'our ball'
    who cares what some second rate gunner thinks.

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  21. Your spelling and grammar are diabolical. Go to school you muppet.

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  22. Plays for a team that finished well above lfc. I think he scored almost as many goals as Suarez also. Suarez is uber sh1t. Hideous buck toothed twat.

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  23. Suareztohitabarndoor2:20 pm, October 18, 2012

    That is hilarious. Top scorer. Hahahahahahaahha

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  24. Let it go Kanwar, this is just another thinly disguised piece having a go at Suarez who you didn't want at the club in the first place.

    With any luck he'll be at Liverpool for the next 4 years which will be the prime of his career.

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  25. I wish Koscielny had kept his mouth shut.
    In saying that, it was a direct response to a very inflammatory question - I just wish Laurent had the nous to answer the question more diplomatically.
    All players cheat in their own way, some moreso than others. Suarez is just more brazen than most when it comes to cheating. Thats why he seems to be singled out.

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  26. J, u are a really sad (probably very lonely) boy. This campaign against a player LFC really cannot do without right now is becoming monotonous to say the least. You should be ashamed of yourself. You must trawl the web desperately searching for any snippet of negative press about the one player who without doubt gives his all for our team. It's people like you (people who spend more time digging for dirt and stirring up shit than actually watching football) that have started this mass hysteria about King Luis' supposedly diving all the time. If you would care to take the time to watch a game or two, you may decipher one or two things about the guy. There isn't another player in the prem right now that can hold a candle to Luis, his movement on and off the ball is nothing short of astonishing. When a player has the skill and ability to ghost past and twist and turn the opposition at the sheer speed and frequency that Suarez does then he is unavoidably going to draw more fouls. Yes he has gone to ground easily on occasion, but the way you call it, you make it sound like it happens numerous times every match and that he is actually being given unwarranted free kicks or pens. My advice to you is to learn a bit about the game and maybe even play a game or two then you might understand a bit more about what happens when you are running at speed and getting contacted by another player. Once you start to understand the physics of it you might well see how foolish your posts have at times sounded. I for one am becoming tired of your troll-like pursuit of one of the best players we have been lucky enough to see grace the holy Anfield turf, and would not call u a red. We,the people of Liverpool don't want you and you are not welcome.

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  27. You just don't get it: I have a hatred of cheating in football, not Suarez. Things are not going to change until fans revolt against cheating, and this site has a zero tolerance approach, even if it's LFC players doing.
    I've highlighted cheating dozens of times by lots of different players, and that's not going to change.
    If Suarez keeps cheating, I'll keep getting on his back for it, and if people don't like it, tough luck.



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  28. What does Suarez's goal record have to do with his cheating? Are you suggesting we the press should turn a blind eye just because he scores goals?




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  29. Notice you haven't put my post up. Pathetic.

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  30. I agree to an extent - Suarez brings on some of the bad press on himself due to his play acting (which in the UK is frowned upon but quite common in latin cultures); however since the last LFC game he has publicly committed to improving his attitude, so maybe we should give him a chance to prove this before everybody jumps on his back again.

    Re: the comment that the FA can't take any action against players who state their opinions, especially if it's the truth - I disagree. The fact that he's a cheat is an opinion, albeit a very arguable one under British perception. Also, the FA have taken action against players for publicly stating their opinions on referees and their decisions during big games. Example - http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/636230-fa-want-jenas-explanation
    Albeit an opinion, but the penalty decision given was an obvious no brainer - all ball, no malice, good tackle.
    Point is the FA has taken action against players who voice their opinions, however in most cases it's against those with opinions of referrees/the FA itself.

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  31. Read the comment policy. If you hurl insults go elsewhere. You're welcome to make your points in a civil manner.

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  32. Obvioulsy goals cancel out dives... Everyone knows that. ;-)

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  33. Slightly hypocritical don't you think kanwar? There's a post up there calling Suarez a " hideous buck toothed twat" and u put that up. What insults did I put up? None! Truth hurts does it? Like I said , you are not a red and you're not welcome. Read my piece again then I dare you to post it. Or are you afraid people will agree? Coward!

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  34. Actually I don't understand what's all the fuss is about! ALL football players cheat to a certain degree!! That is a fact! Players always claim for throw in/corner/goal kick when they know they are the last person to touch it. Isnt this cheating too?? When they make a bad tackle, they always claim that they got the ball/never touch the other player. Isnt this cheating too?? They always pull jerseys/push/elbow players and once the player falls, they will raise up their hand to claim that they didnt touch him. Isnt that cheating too?? ALL ARE BLOODLY CHEAT!!! So before they call another player a cheat, they take a look in the mirror.

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  35. FFS why is the fact Suarez goes down easily occasionally used non stop to vilify him. It's out of proportion both in the media and on this site. Of course it's relevant that many others do it, it's almost accepted practice yet the media are allowed to conduct this Suarez witch hunt even in the face of much worse cheating, such as targeting young players with physical violence bordering on assault followed by verbal violence after that in an attempt to convince the referee they dived, stamping on a prone players chest, incompetent refereeing to the point of bias, Bacon face and his "mind games" (an equally vile form of cheating) through to a FIFA official equating falling over to cancer and attaching his comments very pointedly to Suarez, then lying saying "I did not call him a cheat" Yes you did. And you can't separate all this from Suarez diving - he sees cheating all around him and so he cheats.
    The attacks on Suarez are personal, they are not attacks on cheating and they border on racist. Whatever is said on this website Gareth Bale was hardly mentioned in the media for his "dive". And there's a really simple soltion - video evidence for key decisions as in rugby. In which case we'd have been awarded at least 3 more penalties this season and Suarez and others would probably not feel the need to do this. But the real culprits - the FA and FIFA- haven't got the balls to look for a solution or take firm action (especially when it comes to an ex England captain).
    I personally am grateful Suarez plays for Liverpool in spite of the concerted media and opposing players attempts to force him out of the premiership.
    (nb it's ironic anyone who plays for Wenger can comment on cheating. I also wonder how he managed to find the stomach to play in the same team as Henry after that world cup handball. Oh, they're both French aren't they.)

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  36. When you put an opinion in the public domain, you should be prepared for people not to agree. I find it bigoted in the extreme that u refuse to post a perfectly valid argument from myself and then disguise the reasons for doing so by falsely stating I hurled insults when I did not. At the same time, you allow that post about Suarez being a "buck toothed twat". Why don't you put my post up and let the readers decide if I did infact insult you or I got it bang on the money. Come on j, show a little guts and put my post up. Then perhaps people can take your opinions with a modicum of seriousness. Don't take us for fools j, or you may find you'll always walk alone.

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  37. Genuinely want to see the source for your claim that the Mancs have had more penalties than any other PL team since 2002.

    This site gives the penalties given each season:
    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/elfmeter/wettbewerb_GB1_2012_a.html

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  38. I wonder what the question was prior to Kosc saying that answer.

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  39. I think he has been a good signing. Made the odd mistake here and there but generally been good.

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  40. Hopefully the FA will take on the MLS' way of retrospectively punishing vicious tackles & diving through their Disciplinary Committee.

    The punishment to date in England on diving might be almost non-existent but it is plain and simple cheating. How can Suarez's cheating not be 'detrimental', when it can cost a team a penalty (not just for the team that concedes it but also for us, his previous history of cheating has cost us this season, regardless of how much blame we put on the refs), a yellow/red card, etc. Of course it is 'detrimental'.



    Suarez's diving has been hitting the headlines long before this autumn. Like Kosc, the likes of Paul Scharner, Ferguson & Wenger were moaning about Suarez's diving last season. Like Rodgers, KK was constantly defending his theatrics during his reign. Prior to Suarez giving Fulham fans the finger, they were chanting about his cheating and that was in 2011. Might have gone up a level now but certainly has been in the headlines quite a lot for his theatrics long before this autumn.

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  41. Still waiting j! Very, very amateur, one dimensional writing from yourself. And a touch childish, the way you don't print posts that show your posts for what they are, silly.

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  42. how dare defenders even try and tackle surez!! fair enough though jamie i do admire the courage in your conviction to erradicate cheating. May I challenge you to see have much conviction and how far you will go to stamp it out. Take one surez is a cheat shirt and banner, unveil both whilst standing around the centre back of the kop (block 205, 206 or 305 will do, where fans stand all game) and try to convince those around you of your cause!! I suspect you will break Felix Baumgartner free fall speed as you hit the sponsorship boards at the bottom of block 104!!!!

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  43. Would love to see the FA bring in the powers that the MLS' Disciplinary Committee have on diving and vicious tackles.

    Of course Suarez's cheating can be detrimental. Not to only the opposition team but also us, as his previous history has cost us penalties, regardless of the amount of blame one puts on the ref. That is detrimental.

    Not sure where you have been but his theatrics have been in the spotlight long before this season. Like Kosc, the likes of Scharner, Ferguson, Wenger, etc, criticised his theatrics since he arrived, along with the media spotlight (Lawro's column, Murray's column in Guardian (which defended him I think), etc). Like Rodgers, KK continously defended Suarez over this. Prior to giving the Fulham fans the finger, they were chanting about his cheating and I am not talking about this season. Might have gone up a gear now but this spotlight on his theatrics has been in place well before this season.

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  44. THIS PAGE SHOULD NOT PUBLISH THIS S..T,SOUNDS LIKW THEY AGAINST SUAREZ,WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS IN ANY LEAGUE,THEY ALL CHEAT,WHETER ITS INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE BOX,ALOT OF PLAYERS CHEAT AND GO TO GROUND,IN MY OPINION IF THE BALL GOES OUT FOR A GOALKICK AND U APPEAL FOR A CORNER AND THE BALL TOUCHED U LAST,THATS CHEATING,BUT NO ONE COMPLAINS,THEY ONLY COMPLAIN WHEN U CHEAT INSIDE THE BOX, AND WHAT ABOUT THE REFS THAT LET IT HAPPEN?SOME OF THEM ARE BLIND OR TO SLOW AND THEREFORE MISSES THE ACTION AND IS GOING ACCORDING TO THE PLAYERS THAT APPEAL OR THE HOME CROWD.LEAVE SUAREZ ALONE AND JUST WATCH THE OTHER PLAYES

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  45. PETE U SAID IT WELL ENOUGH.

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  46. You call Suarez all kinds of things, but Iam not allowed to express my opinion that I think you ARE a despicable human being without having my comment removed?

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  47. NO AND YES.DO U KNOW HOWMANY PLAYERS CHEAT IN ONE GAME?DO U KNOW HOWMANY OF THOSE U CRITICISED IN THE MEDIA? ILL TELL U 1<AND THATS SUAREZ,IF U CLAIM A CORNER KICK WHEN THE BALL CAME OF U,THAT MY PRESS FRIEND IS CHEATING,WHETER ITS IN THE BOX OR ANYWARE ON THE FIELD ITS STILL CHEATING,U GAINED AN ADVANTAGE BY GETTING THE CORNER OR FREEKICK,FRIEND.SO PISS OFF

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  48. 'he sees cheating all around him and so he cheats'

    That is some justification(!) When did he say/imply this?

    Lets change this around, were you as passionate and critical about the media when Stevie G barely got any media attention with his numerous dives over the years?

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  49. so now your the press finally youve come out your a parasite i said the other day when will you have a go again at suarez so are you the press or a lfc fan we dont know as the song goes we know what you are

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  50. civil manner means just agree with him its easier in the long run i only read the post now to see what other fans are saying its the fans that make it kenwar just thinks hes the organ grinder bars you if you get to near the knuckle or if its rag week

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  51. i think jaimie works for the daily mail..!

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  52. Top scorer at LFC.

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  53. I'm not sure if he's brazen, or just not as good as hiding the fact he cheated.
    I certainly don't ever remember him ever winking at the camera, eh Mickey Thomas????

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  54. I'd rather they pass him out over their heads like they used to on the standing Kop....

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  55. You just have to love the way Hamann still loves our club.

    Why Koscielny found it necessary to have a go at Suarez in the media is beyond me.

    I fully agree with one of the posts above. Football is full of cheats. Players even try to cheat in situations like a throw in. If it wasn't so sad I could laugh every time the ball goes into touch and two opposing players claim that they should get the ball, while one for sure knows that he's put it out. Or silly things like carrying the ball away when conceding a free-kick. Shirt pulling all over the place, stepping on toes, elbowing, all those little things those 'role-models' do in order to get an advantage or to nullify the advantage of the opposition. All of that is cheating, just like diving or going down easily, play-acting and so on. I wish Suarez would stop going down so easy and stop the play-acting, but to be honest, he is by far not the worst. And as for Koscielny, well, he surely does nothing of those things that can be considered cheating, eh. If the FA/refs had balls, they would watch him extremely closely next weekend, yellow card him for every shirt-pull and every other thing he does that is not according to the book. If that man can come out and point his finger at Suarez he surely has to be whiter than white.

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  56. This is getting a bit like Jimmy Saville. Everyone's crawling out of the woodwork now having a pop because Suarez is an easy target and 'flavour of the month'. Wonder if Koscielny really gives a sh!te whether Suarez dives or not, or if he was just trying to pander to his International teammate, a certain Mr Patrice Evra.....??!!!

    Next time Luis scores, he should just do a bellyflop in the penalty box, a la Klinsmann.

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  57. no one is saying its ok to cheat, but all the attention is on suarez like a lazer beam, and that is nothing short of victimisation. im so sick of reading half retarded opinions that have been constructed from being drip feed garbage by the media. the only thing thats truly damaging is the hypocrisy of it all.

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  58. Great to have a Gooner coming on here posting such a comment! The other day I stumbled upon some Spurs supporters who were defending Bale the Dive tooth and nail claiming that he doesn't dive but just loses balance. Big difference in perception, so no surprise at all then that most Gooners are quite respected amongst us.

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  59. A teammate of Thierry Henry, complaining about a player cheating, he he, what a hippocrite. Just about sums up his outburst. Why is Suarez getting panned on a LFC site AGAIN. He is going nowhere, DEAL WITH IT.

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  60. Were you like this when Ronaldo was getting this treatment? Or when Drogba was? (the BBC reporter for MOTD in a post-match interview where the tired Drogba has just finished a game and is ambushed with 'do you dive' question) Were you sympathetic or were you full of the hypocrisy you preach against now and in line with the media agenda then?

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  61. well you seem to turn a blind i to everything elses cheating !

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  62. If you hate divers, why not mention anyone else other than Suarez. Bale, Rooney, Wellbeck, Young, Klinsman, even back to Francis Lee, they've all been doing it for years, but all we hear about at the moment is Suarez.

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  63. yes i was actually..! i've always been against singling out individual players because cheating is so wide spread , but to imply that i am full of my own hypocrisy by saying that drogba was asked do you dive after a tiring match when suarez has been constantly villified at every opportunity by managers, players, fa, and the media thoughout this season and most of the last just goes to show how thin the moral ice is that your all standing on !

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  64. Sure you were...(!)

    That Drogba example was just one of the many times Drogba was targetted. Just seems more with Suarez with the rise of social media but no difference on the whole.

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  65. This site is a complete joke. Regurgitated stories all the time. Why don't you have some insightful articles? You are all allegedly supporters, so why don't you support?

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  66. For rose-tinted stuff, go to RAWK.

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  67. I would be interested to know how many penalties Suarez had won that wernt justified.

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  68. more anti suarez sh#te, he is just being bullied now, any chance for someone to stick the knife in, on a bloke who has a one off talent who id pay to watch alone.
    hes like the new boy with a rep whos just easy to pick on, hey all the anti sad cases must be perfect obviously, just like evra...........squeeky clean, who if wore a red shirt of lfc would not of had success at crying wolf for starters.
    JT has done far worse but who dare judge him. pathetic

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  69. Yes, that was kind of my point - that it's 'gone up a gear' recently. A lot, in fact.

    Odd, that. Can't for the life of me think why.

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  70. Proving yourself a Manu supporter again Kanwar!

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  71. To be fair, there was other stuff going on too such as the Suarez-Evra debacle which took the heat off his theatrics, as that gave plenty of material to chew on and regurgitate by the media & co. Even for him, last season was driving with a puncture because of the Evra ordeal as can't have been easy being focused when you got that hanging over you.


    The conspiracy and paranoia angle is not my cup of tea. Find that kind of talk by fans having very little substance most of the time.

    I don't think it has gone up much at all but it helps that the denied penalties this season have happened in such short a time, which intensifies the situation as well as no Evra ordeal to be distracted with.

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  72. Do.some research: I've highlighted divers from many times countless times.




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  73. Go back to whatev(r)a rock you crawled under @ republic of mancunia. You do nothing but wind up posters here with your holier than thou bore fests. A post i left delibrately to goad mancs was finally bitten by you. Go figure. How ironic that a manc is the biggest poster on this site.

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  74. It is frustrating watching him blatently cheat. ST Stevie should pull him aside and show him the subtle art of diving. That way we wouldnt be discussing this. He does dive. Whats worse is hes terrible at it. He needs a few weeks of staying on his feet. Then let it blow over. Cheating is part n parcel of the game. Ive had people stand on my toes during games to intimidate me. You get on with it.

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  75. Why did you remove my comment? It didn't break your rules on posting! Is it because I said you write no insightful articles? Why don't you alleged supporters start supporting? You don't have to agree with what our players do but you don't go on Liverpool sites slating our players!

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  76. Can't stand his body language on the pitch either. But he is a very good player, but if he dosn't show signs og changing his general attitude, he should be sold in the summer.

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  77. Sometimes... I began to wonder if he "Suarez" keeps on doing all these on purpose... Since he's already under the radar... Well why not... Not sure if it's wise but who the hell cares.. At the end of the day he'll still be getting his pay n return home to his lovely family...

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  78. He does dive A LOT and it is frustrating because it just makes all his hard work going out the window. I still love him tho. Suarez is a magician with his feet.

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  79. There's an old say 'If you're cheating you're not trying hard enough'...they all do it some more than others!

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  80. lol 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough'

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  81. everyone is fixated on the attacking players cheating, how about the defenders tugging shirts, stiff arming, bodychecking etc............
    I think football needs to take a leaf out of the rugby code of conduct and introduce retrospective citing, this would result in the match banning of all cheating behaviour. immediately when top teams are fielding "B" strength sides due to diving, tugging, rolling around pretending they have been hurt and they start losing matches, the managers will put a stop to this pathetic nonsense.

    lets face it if the cheating was reduced, we the fans would get to appreciate more of the skills and talent that is stifled by the cheating, come on the authorities grow some and do something about it!!

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  82. Jaimie would you not also like to highlight just how many times Suarez has went down legitimately and not been given anything????????? One dive and the whole world is down his throat! I don't remember gerard getting this treatment for diving many times!!! Give the guy a freaking break please be fair! Its the fault of the media that his treated like this and you are only adding to it!

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  83. Yes Suarez dives, there's no denying that, but who's to say that many other players don't? Koscielny is doing what every other publicity hungry opinionated tabloid trumpeting so called celeb is doing, jumping onto a band wagon with a suddenly relevant comment. Right now Suarez is the byword for diving, so he's fair game, yes it puts unfair pressure on him, and indirectly prejudices officials not to give decisions his way because he is judged based on reputation rather than an assessment of the black and white facts, which if applied could actually cut down on instances of diving and simulation; player goes down under a foul= no punishment, player dives under minimal contact= foul. In Suarez' case even legitimate cases are sometimes ignored, is that due to his reputation? Yes. Is it due to refereeing bias? Yes. Is to do with human error, 100% Yes. There's a thin line in football between honest mistake and conspiracy theory, and sometimes it gets ridiculous.

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  84. Not sure which one is right Original Chan, this site states 5 more given to the Mancs than us and 12 less given against them http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Penalty_Statistics.html

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  85. Just a quick glance at this morning's various football blogs and media sources displays the following headlines:
    "The “Cannibal of Ajax”. Would banning players like Suarez stop diving?"
    "BRENDAN RODGERS: LIVERPOOL STRIKER LUIS SUAREZ IS AN EASY TARGET"
    "Rodgers defends Suarez... as striker says he may never win penalty again"
    "Liverpool boss defends Suarez after Arsenal ace’s cheat claim"

    That's nearly 2 weeks since he last played a game for Liverpool, and that's the briefest of searches across a range of online sources. I find the whole thing disgraceful and embarrassingly 'British', especially since Gareth Bale isn't being criticised in a similar manner for a similar offence. And don't get me wrong - I don't think he SHOULD be criticised either. I think the whole diving debate is something that was started by Pulis for the reasons I've outlined above, and it has been compounded by every other idiot out of a hatred of Suarez, a dislike of Liverpool, and sadly, boredom.

    People are always going to hate Luis Suarez. He should obviously knock the theatrics on the head, and he doesn't help himself. But the perception of him will only ever change if he makes some crowd-pleasing 'Di Canio at Everton'-type gesture (which, I'm sorry, I personally find a bit fake and cringey). Even then, most people will consider it a ruse and won't be happy until he finally leaves England.

    He's being hounded out of the country, and it shows the man's character that he's been prepared to sign another contract and fight these English idiots who just want to mindlessly brand him as a 'cheating racist'.

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  86. The could discuss forever the rights and wrongs of football. How about you stop whining about our players Jaimie and give them a break. Diving is wrong. But, when you berate a player of your own club. Your hypocritical tirades about traitorous treatment of hodgson and fsg appear hollow. Especially when in the same week Suarez is berated by the press. Two, yes TWO players with previous voilent behaviiur go largely unoticed for delibrately stamping and elbowing. You know somethings wrong. Whats worse?????

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  87. Im a L.f.c fan and tbh i dont agree with the way suarez has been behaving on the field. I'm 100% against cheating. Saying that, did anyone see Danny Welbeck against Villa or Gareth Bale? Y aint they subject to the treatment suarez is getting? Ashley young is 1 of the worst in the prem for diving(Tom Daley would b proud). We cant focus on 1 player wen all are doing it

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  88. 'cheating' goes on in every game whether it is diving, pulling someones shirt, deliberately fouling someone, faking injury, rolling around after a foul etc. Most players do it, Suarez is just being targeted for being such a threat to the opposition. If the FA where to charge Suarez then it will just open up a can of worms as to what type of 'cheating' gets punished and what doesn't. Its just part of football, and keeps everyone talking about it!

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  89. Please see also:
    "Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been voted as the most disliked player in the Premier League, getting more votes than controversial Chelsea FC captain John Terry in one of a number of polls run by FootballFanCast.com."

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  90. Have you seen any evidence of Suarez doing this or are you just taking a player's words at face value, a player that is jumping on the bandwagon and frankly, has committed a few professional fouls in his day, which by the way is cheating. Someone can only take the moral high ground over cheating when they themselves are completely pure as far as cheating goes. The only thing that rings true is that Suarez is tiresome to defend against, not because he "cheats", but because he wriggles and twists and turns defenders inside out.

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  91. Its because he is a class player and they dont like playing against him because he takes the piss out of them they would all have him in their team tomorrow if they could and their is no bigger cheats than ashly young and velencia

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  92. Unfortunately so much is made of diving being cheating and yet the professional fouls are just seen as bad fouls, when in fact, they are also cheating. Being that this is the case, then 99% of players cheat in some form, and because of this, no one can take the moral high ground and crucify the players that dive for cheating without sounding like a hypocrite. Yes it's not very attractive, but it's part of the game, it adds emotion and personality to the game.

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  93. I had written and posted another comment here mentioning the various anti-Suarez headlines across the different media this morning, but it seems to have been overlooked and dismissed by Mr Moderator.

    J-Dog - be-sortin' dis shit out, yo.

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  94. If you have a hatred of cheating in football, then why watch football at all? Cheating is rampart in football. Every time a foul is committed, that is technically cheating, every time the ball goes out of play, there is cheating involved by one of the teams claiming the ball when it is clear in most situations that is it not their ball, every time there is a set piece, there is cheating involved due to shirt pulling. This is not to say that any of it is right, but it is a part of the game and to focus so intently on one aspect of cheating and on one player who does this on occasion, is blind journalism. As someone who claims to be an objective journalist, this stance you have taken up against Suarez has not been very objective. As Liverpool fans, it is our job to rise above all of this and support our players 110%, no matter what. It would be nice to see an article written where you actually praise Suarez, like the fact that he has already scored 5 goals in the PL this season. Or maybe the fact that he reached 50 goals for Liverpool quicker than Ian Rush did, which is no mean feat.

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  95. When's the last time that Kos has made a bad tackle, whether it was ill-timed, two-footed or a professional foul. Because that by definition is also cheating

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  96. For Christ sake leave the lad alone bunch of bullies very sad in football that people like to victimise every move a player does bad or good anyone would think he's the only player that has ever dived and misbehaved hope you all proud to be bullies very sad

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  97. So hilarious that he is currently on 5 from 7 games, which in case you didn't realise is 1 goal behind the current top scorer, who is Demba Ba. If he continues his current form throughout the season, then he most definately could end up the top scorer and have a 30+ goal season.

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  98. Let's cut no bones about it, Jaimie IS part of the media.

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  99. Jamie, Oh Jamie, You are at it again! How many times do You need to mention just one player, Suarez, everytime You are writing about items in soccer that need to be improved. I have seen matches for fifty years now, and there has been a whole league of players diving. The only new about this is that the ref in the last years has been able to penalize diving with a yellow card. And some of these yellow cards handed out, have been awfully wrong, while totally absent in obvious diving. I don`t like to believe in conspiration theories, but it seems to me that quite a few, including You, are in it to hit just Suarez and no-one else!

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  100. Having a cry that an insulting comment didn't get past the moderators when the rules are so clearly put up on the site is what is truly pathetic.

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  101. Funny how nothing was made up Gareth Bale's dive and subsequent pleading to the ref to get Brad Guzan sent off. If any part of cheating needs to be stamped out of the game, it's trying to influence the refs into brandishing a card.

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  102. My point exactly. This is not to say cheating is a good thing, but it's hypocritical for players to get on their moral high horse when they have cheated themselves. Or is it only cheating when you get caught?

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  103. If the media where honest cheating goes on in every game of football we see, holding onto another players shirt arms or any other body part his a form of cheating, to try and gain the upper hand over your opponent his an offence if its breaking a rule so dosen`t that make nearly all football players cheats? But stamping on your opponent while hes on the grass on his back isin`t cheating, its assault which too me was a more serious point than a harmless dive which didn`t hurt anybody else only Suarezs pride.

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  104. Aaahhhhhhhhh.... Thank you J-Bop.

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  105. Aye, never know with this stats sites sometimes as to their reliability

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  106. I don't particularly find the media treatment of him fair as I moaned about the lack of attention on Bale a few weeks ago on a Suarez-related thread on here but nor do I like the way he doesn't help himself either since he has arrived and generally not a fan of his, so I can't agree with the last paragraph (as well as some bits such as the theory on masterminding by Pulis) about his so-called character as he was bit of a annoying one back in Holland too (although the Dutch weren't as OTT as in England).

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  107. Patience ;)

    JK has a strict filtering system in place, so it can take a while.

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  108. I have never heard of that site, before you mentioned it, so I'm sure many others haven't either. So I don't pay much attention to polls from sources like that, inc. JK's polls.

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  109. Yikes, you make Kosc sound like some reality TV star. He was asked a question and answered it in a naive manner, instead of batting it away in a PC manner like Riise did last season.

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  110. I've never voted on that site and wouldn't be out of the ordinary if loads of others haven't either. I'm always wary about poll results, especially in relation to not-so-famous sources, inc. JK's polls.

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  111. Cheat might be a little strong. I've come to expect players to tug jerseys, and dive. Does it suck? Yes, I hate it. But I expect it to a certain point now. I think the penalties for diving are in place, and perhaps could be expanded on. If a PK situation is involved, I'd love for there to be some sort of replay official involved, like they have in American football, who can overturn a decision if it is a dive, or a questionable PK. That said, we'll never get it.

    As for calling someone out in public? When did they snip the balls off these guys. Let them fight it out in public. You don't think Suarez is going to be fired up for the next time he plays them? He's probably got the article clipped and hanging in his locker to remind him to score three on that clown. I'd love for Suarez to come back and say something "I don't need to dive, he's French, he surrenders every time I get near him" or something like that. They aren't barristers, they're footballers, the professionalism bar should be set a little lower. As long as they're professional on the field and not making stupid penalties or out to hurt each other, I couldn't care less.

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