29 Oct 2012

Corruption or incompetence? Why LFC must complain about the disallowed goal...

Regular readers will know that I generally refrain from analysing poor refereeing decisions on this site. Unlike many fans, I don't believe the ridiculous notion that there is a 'conspiracy' against LFC, and I'd rather not play a part in perpetuating the tiresome victim complex that seems to perennially surround the Reds. Additionally, bad decisions generally tend to balance out over a season, and - like with most clubs - Liverpool sometimes benefit from bad refereeing decisions, so it works both ways. Having said that, the shocking decision to disallow Luis Suarez's perfectly legitimate winning goal against Everton is a genuine travesty of justice, and the sickening incompetence of the linesman involved needs to be urgently addressed by the FA.

It's quite simple: Liverpool should've won the game, and there is absolutely no credible justification or reason to explain the linesman's actions:

* Suarez was NOT offside in the slightest.

* The linesman raised his flag a full 5 SECONDS after the ball was in the back of the net.

* Additionally, he only raised his flag AFTER Everton's players started complaining.

1351438028585 Picture comparison: Luis Suarezs disallowed goal (Everton Liverpool) v Javier Hernandezs offside goal (Chelsea Man United)


The Linesman was directly in line with the play, and if he thought the goal was offside, he would've raised his flag immediately. He did not do this, and there are (IMO) only three possible reasons why:

* Corruption: The linesman deliberately ruled out the goal because he's corrupt in some way. This is, admittedly, unlikely, but it must at least be considered.

* Abject incompetence: Despite having a perfect view of the action, the Linesman feels he made a genuine mistake and/or he genuinely believed the goal was offside. This is probably the most likely scenario, but the truth is no competent Linesman could genuinely believe that the goal was offside.

* Undue influence and/or bias: The linesman allowed himself to be influenced by the reaction of Everton's players, or latent bias against LFC influenced his decision.

After the game, Gary Neville argued that linesman 'bottled it', which suggests that he knew the goal was legitimate, but flagged it offside anyway for some inexplicable reason. As an comparison: if a player 'bottle's a tackle, he makes the split-second decision to do this, either consciously or subconsciously, and if the Linesman 'bottled it', then he did the same.

Whatever the 'reason', this particular linesman should never officiate in a Premier League game again IMO. There is just no legitimate reason to disallow the goal, and decisions like this make an absolute mockery of officiating standards in the modern game.

Liverpool should lodge a complaint with the FA and demand an investigation into this incident. Clearly, there is more to it than meets the eye, and two points could conceivably be the difference between 5th and 4th place at the end of the season.

Officiating incompetence affects all teams at one point or another, but this goes beyond even that; it is inexcusable gross negligence, which is why an investigation is urgently required. That may ultimately mean demotion for the Linesman involved, but if that's what needs to happen then so be it.

Jaimie Kanwar


124 comments:

  1. I understand the frustration but its not a conspiracy as Everton had 2 perfect goals disallowed against Newcastle. The standard of refereeing was poor all round today. Sterling was very lucky not to recieve a second yellow, Suarez should have been given a yellow card for the stamp on Mirallas and could have had a straight red for the nasty tackle on Distin 9either way he should have been off the pitch. Then there was the throw in which led to Evertons goal, the free kick on Gerrard which led to Liverpools "3rd" and the offside decision that were all wrong.

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  2. Suarez should not have been on the pitch at that stage for his disgraceful tackles. Dirty cheat

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  3. You're just parrotting what the media is saying. Why don't you try coming up with your own opinion, eh? Please list the so-called 'disgraceful tackles' you're on about, and why Suarez deserved to be sent off. Thanks.

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  4. Jamie, could you give me a link to your claim of the decision coming after 5 seconds? Thanks.

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  5. Compare it to Chicharito's goal against Chelsea in the following match. Exact reverse!

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  6. The foul on Distin - the foul on Mirallas

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  7. Watch the replay from the angle of the linesman's POV. I don't have a video of it but I've got it recorded at home. From the moment the Suarez touches the ball till the linesman raises his flag about 5 seconds passes.

    * Ball hits the net. No flag raise.
    * Suarez turns and runs to celebrate: no flag raise.
    * Distin et al turn to linesman and complain: He raises his flag.

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  8. Forgetting Suarez's history and reputation and judging this game alone, he deserved to be sent off for the stamp on Mirallas' foot in the 1st half and then the awful challenge on Distin in the second.

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  9. Watch the match yourself you idiot. He is not lying.

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  10. Having seen them again, you may be right. My bad.

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  11. People who say Suarez shouldve seen a red...would you then agree Jagielka shouldve seen red for a last man back foul on Sterling that only received a yellow card or Jelavic receiving 2 yellows for repeated high boot challenges or Fellaini getting 2 yellows for repeated fouls some of which were pretty poor but were considered fouls by Allen (which was joke)...or Baines getting 2 yellows for diving under Sterling twice in the firs half to get him sent off or Howard getting a yellow for sprinting to the ref to get Sterling sent off????.....nah doubt it...but it works both ways!!!!...we'd have won if not for a poor decision to give Everton a throw which they worked into an opportunity and scored to make it 2-2 when it shouldve been Liverpools throw in for an inexcusable act of cheating on Everton's behalf to influence the linesman to rule out a perfectly good winning goal which he bowed to the pressure and did the officials were the difference between 3 and 1 point today and its happening far too often with officials influencing the outcome of games, like the man u Chelsea game 2 reds 1 wrong and an offside goal gifted man u 3 points, yesterday QPR v Arsenal, Arsenal score a winning goal that was offside, these decisions are the difference between wins draws and losses QPR and Chelsea lost due to inept officiating both matches shouldve been draws come may that could be what decides the title or relegation for each respective team today Liverpool drop 2 points due to poor officiating that could be the diff in finishing in champs league or Europa league spots....these officials also cost clubs money and potential safety against relegation and titles/trophies...it needs sorting even if we look abroad for a stronger and higher standard of ref!!

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  12. never a red for suarez,stood on the back of his foot trying to close the man down.Distin flung himself on the ground trying to get a red card - similar to baines diving around in the first half trying to get sterling sent off.Never seen a linesman flag so late for the goal - total disgrace.

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  13. Well, an individual complaint is possible and also justified to some degree, but honestly, the result won't be changed, so why even bother.
    More importantly, the entire league, clubs and supporters, should take a stand against this stubborn unwillingness to introduce video replays.

    I can honestly not understand how people don't want this to happen. Who honestly believes that this leads to lengthier interruptions? There's a myriad of ways to make this work out smoothly and all of them would help prevent such situations. People constantly talk about how bad refereeing on the one hand and intentional cheating on the other are destroying the game, so how is there still a debate over this?

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  14. Enough is enough linesman of the world, yep this one was a goal and the next one might not be, when it's this close keep your freaking flag down, i'd rather see a goal every time when the situation is too close to call, raising the flag because you're too afraid to get it wrong makes you a pussy and kills the integrity of the game.

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  15. It should not come to this , but i reckon every premiership ,champs
    league should all have video reruns , each team gets 3 appeals .
    But after seeing the disallowed Suarez goal . And the unbelievable bias
    in the Chelsea game you would have a further option than the referee , &
    linesmen . Corruption is a definite possibility .

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  16. Chicharito's goal was offside but definitely not Suarez last minute goal. How can he offside. A very bad call. FIFA should not be archaic and should move forward with the use of videos. The game of football is no longer a past time game. It is a multi billion dollar global business with social and economic implications.

    Football has also grown to be a very fast paced game with newer technologically improved equipments in balls and shoes but we are still using 1 referee and 2 linesman just like 30 to 40 years ago. There is no way referees can keep pace. They are also human. The NBA in basketball, NHL in ice hockey and NFL in American football have used it and there don't seems to have any problems with it. But here we have FIFA putting up sorts of excuses not to use video evidence. If there is a will there is a way.

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  17. The lines man was totally incompetent to say the least. He had robbed LFC 2 crucial points. He should not be officiating any matches again...

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  18. Why don't someone start to investigate this situation.i think it wasn't a normal incident now. It was happen so many time with liv and the other 36 teams but it was absolutely opposite result with that team. I'm not jealous but i want just a justice.i think someone or some media have to expose this incident about the fa united 's reference . It 's so ugly and not stately for the country that has " the best football league" in the world. Maybe something has to happen like a juventus 's case. Or maybe this time is the time to use a technology for help the reference decision before things go so badly more than this. God save the english premier league.

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  19. Do you know what FA stands for. Suits them to the core.

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  20. Bring back Sian Massey...she wouldn't have bottled it.

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  21. Also, if you know Refs union were pissed off with BR and made several comments/warning before the match. I think they just wanted to show whose the boss and they made sure that they can/will influence the game as they want. Call me a paranoid but in England, more then anywhere else... referees are prima donna of the game. Refs can influence or change the result more often than players. Webb, Clattenburg, Atkinson...to name a few. This refs union is a disgrace and spoiling the best league on earth. Top clubs who are victims like LFC and Chelsea should organize an independent company to scrutinize decisions/corruption on part of these referees coz lets face it FA ain't gonna do it with David Gill being the vice-president.

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  22. doesnt the 4th official have a screen showing replays?

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  23. Liverpool cheated by linesman. but they have showed good performance

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  24. Hey Bluenoses, the piece from Jaimie was regarding the officiating by the linesman, not about Suarez, you fucking retards. You should have lost the game....end of!!!!

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  25. It would be awesome if fans of all teams in the EPL protest against the standard of the FA and Referee,they been sitting on the gold pot from TV rights and others for decades now. They won’t listen to any small fry complains unless a massive protest which could threaten their fat ass happening.UNITE ALL FANS- YNWA

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  26. Having seen a close-up shot of the moment where Coates is leaning with both hands on the defender while heading the ball down for Suarez, there was surely a foul by the Argentinian. The goal should not have stood, no matter how hard it is to accept we've lost another two points.

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  27. That's football aye ? You win some you lose some , it was an awful decision I agree , but there would'nt be any linesmen left if we went the route your suggesting , I'm not having a go at you but thats life and hopefully as everyone says these things even themselves out . I totally agree tho how can the linesman call it and why ?

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  28. High tech stuff has not been deploy so games can be twist for unwanted side to win or lose the game. In another word it's corrupted.

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  29. It is very simple! David Gill, a CEO of one of the most influential club in this country is pulling the strings of referees and officials from FA.

    Even in third world country, it is a conflict of interest and one can not sit on such two important chairs but not in this country. All fairness rules are for others. When it comes to us, powerful people want to get away with a murder. Disgusting!

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  30. Liverpool are being fleeced by poor officials week in week out, shocking!!!

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  31. One great night for the FA to remember... Everton VS Liverpool.. then Chelsea VS MU.... All ended in very poor refeerering!! The standard of the refeeres have to kept in high standard in all Premier league games as this will seriuosly keep lots of fans from watching if this continues.

    Not a sore loser but looking back at the game it's true sterling should be off for a second yellow, but most of the tackels from oposition were not even booked.. It was a tough py

    Anyway they look better and better by playing more games together.. Not hoping for top four this year (it's still achieveable) hoping next two season to come... Looking good. YNWA of Malaysia

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  32. While your punctuation could be better, there is probably nothing else that could be said about the matter. You post is spot on.

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  33. Conspiracy is becoming harder to rule out... especially when you look down south to what happened in London. Chelsea Manure was a joke!

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  34. If the Refs did their job and red carded Suarez, LFC were most probably lose the game, so i will write a thank you letter to the Ref instead of complaining

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  35. Not Offside, But deffo climbing by Coates on Jagielka, Justice was done for once. Has there ever been a more despicable creature than Suarez

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  36. joseph st hiliare8:17 am, October 29, 2012

    Still put the flag up very late

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  37. decisions like this one can cost clubs millions of pounds come the end of the season especially if they miss out on Europe and worse if they are relegated. The Rugby League/Union use cameras to identify if a try has been scored or not what's wrong with the FA doing that.

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  38. Lpool I admit robbed by a poor poor decision, but I wonder if the dive in front of the dug out was called for. Moyes tells it how it is even to the point he said it was a goal - if that was wenger he would of said I have'nt seen it. I sat next to two kopites and they said suarez is a good player but the blatant diving is giving drogba a run for his money and its getting almost as embarassing as Rafas after match interview and thats a FACT.

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  39. What does the timing of that have to do with the fact that it was a foul, and the goal should not have stood?

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  40. Seriously? Suarez should have been sent off. I can imagine if someone like Evra Rooney or any Utd player for that matter deliberately provoking the Liverpool bench if they scored at Anfield you lot would be demanding lifetime bans even Poll and Riley have already stated they would have booked the player. Considering the nothing challenge by Osman on Sterling that got him booked, how can you then possibly say Suarez challenges on Miralles and then Distin were not bookable offences is laughable. As for the goal that was disallowed I thought immediately that Coates climbed all over Jagielka. Again Sterlings challenge on Baines after already being carded was unbelievable. Sorry Ampr but you honestly think you still have a chance of the CL? No wonder you are known as the deluded!

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  41. Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin...need I go on? Bit of perspective maybe.

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  42. Linesman was clearly influenced by Everton players as they started to complain furiously, this clearly impacted on Linesman bottling it ! he took a good 5 seconds before raising his flag for offside, this shows that he clearly seen nothing wrong but influenced by Everton players.

    These two points robbed off Liverpool by a poor linesman decision, could make a big difference to CL place at end off season, if Liverpool keep playing the way they have been this is possible !!!!!

    but as long as these poor refereeing decisions keep going against Liverpool players, well maybe not!!!!

    Suarez needs to keep on his feet but even if he does, Refs dont give anything, so dont blame him entirely for simulating fouls, Refereeing has been poor!!! so far this season, especially when you look at both Liverpool v Everton, and Chelsea v Utd, some very poor decisions, Liverpool goal chopped off which was clearly on side, and UTD get a winning goal which was blatantly off side but was given, Do we now need goal line technology?

    The derby was one of the cleanest tackling games for years it was fiercely contested by both teams, both sets of players went down easily through out game, but it was not a bad tempered game, and 7 yellow cards were not warranted, as a liverpool fan Suarez should have had a yellow card for his tackle on mirallas.

    Well done to neville for admitting he dived and would not do it again !!!

    If it was an Everton goal dissallowed would they be saying it was the correct decision, Think not !!!!!!!!!

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  43. If the referee had done his job properly, he would have had a word with Suarez, in the presence of his Captain, and advised him to calm down.
    And if our lightweight midfield had been doing their jobs, Suarez would not be needed to be making tackles on the likes of Mirallas in the final third of the field.
    The foul on Distin looks nasty and painful, but how can anyone say it was intentional?

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  44. Evra...... "Big" Drunken Ferguson......

    ????
    Any more?

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  45. I just don't understand why the FA has not introduced goal line technology! It's ridiculous that in a game that generates millions of pounds the FA still chose to use an unassisted system. Fair play to Suarez because he knew that there was nothing he could have done when the flag went up. Normally in these type of situations, I always wait to see if the flag is up. But this situation, I stood up celebrating because Suarez looked back at the lines man and the flag was down!

    Its only because the Everton players started complaining (as you do) that the lines man made that decision. He felt pressured to do to make a rash decision.

    I think the linesman panicked. It was the 94th minute and Suarez scored. The crown all went quite. But the players complained and he gave in to peer pressure.

    Not fit too flag a game in the PL.

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  46. No offside, but come on, that was a clear foul by Coates. You can not use someones shoulders as a jump booster...

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  47. Fair enough, however the goal was disallowed not by a foul but by offside. Sad

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  48. Not sure if I am allowed to put links to other sites but this blog pretty much sums up this corruption theory. ( Jamie feel free to delete comment if I am not allowed to post links)

    http://diminbeirut.typepad.com/

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  49. sack all refs and lines men when thay make massave mestakes like yesterday wot a joke and all refs get off suarzs back

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  50. there is two meny weman in the sport now crying all the time THIS IS A MANS SPORT

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  51. But if you mean just in football, there are a fair few who are worse. Marlon King - sexual assault, assaults and handling stolen cars etc. Joey Barton - need I say more. Ched Evans (Sheffield Utd.) - Rape. Gavin Grant (Bradford City) - Murder. Getting the picture?

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  52. As with the NFL now football has goal line technology I fel every goal or goal line incident should be rewviewable. Officiating is getting worse and they need help!

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  53. He never raised his flag for a foul it was for offside so your point is irrelevant. Also he is Uruguyan not Argentinian

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  54. My bad about the Argentinian part, was probably thinking about Paletta when typing that.

    But the offside/foul of my post still stands - the goal should not have been allowed, so it is irrelevant what reason it was ruled out for.

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  55. how the fcuk was it not a goal

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  56. Don't forget possibly Van Persie should got sent off too. But Aye, yes that Chelsea game was full of errors, such as Torres should have been sent off earlier in the game for that De Jong-like move, instead of a yellow. The Luiz handball in the Chelsea box just moments before Chelsea went to the other end to equalise. Valencia getting booked for diving, despite there being contact. Like fellow expert Cabaye & Fellaini, Ramires gets away with persistent fouling yet again. Surprised that Luiz didn't even get a yellow in that game, he was making non-stop fouls to cover up his shocking defensive positioning in that game. Certainly wasn't anywhere near one-way traffic that game, in relation to who benefited from inept officiating. If Chelsea had won/drawn, it would have been with the help of inept officiating benefiting them too. Like you say, works both ways.

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  57. Goal line technology, to date, is for whether the ball crosses the goal line. How would that have helped in relation to on the weekend for our goal against Everton and Manure's offside winner?

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  58. I think the answer is the linesman got it wrong. To accuse conspiracy or incomptence is a little harsh!!

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  59. 'theory', exactly. These kind of theories are 'ten-a-penny', you can find them on forums but like the posts on forums with their potentially circumstantial/coincidental-based theories, very little to back it up, in terms of conclusive evidence. They'll see the proper light of the day, when they can actually back it up. Until then, that blog is the just the same old, same old.

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  60. the fa should give lfc the three points,and should deduct everton three points and a fine for the coin throwing incident!! BLUE SHITE!

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  61. Yes, Chelsea scrutinize why Manure didn't get a penalty for when Luiz handballed it, moments before Chelsea went on to equalise. Scrutinize how Ramires amazingly managed to avoid getting a yellow, despite his persistent fouling. Oh poor auld Chelsea(!) They get plenty of decisions going their way throughout the years. Got no sympathy at all for them, as that match had plenty for both teams to benefit from.

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  62. It is POSSIBLE that Coates was off side a split second before he headed the ball ! WATCH IT AGAIN ???

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  63. Very true Sir, very true.

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  64. Are you mad/blind? When the free kick is taken? Learn the offside rule.

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  65. Football matches are won and lost on mistakes.

    Brad Jones bad punch etc.

    Bad refereeing decisions and mistakes used to infuriate me for weeks, but now I see them for what they are....... Simple mistakes.

    However this looked utterly incompetent, MOTD 2 showed an angle which showed the inordinate amount of time taken to make the decision. Suarez was wheeling away in celebration by the time the flag went up.

    The liNesman looked very young and seemed to buckle under the pressure. He needs serious retraining.

    Arsenal and Man U score goals that are clearly offside, yet the scorers "looked onside" as they scored. Whereas Suarez looked offside as he scored.

    The points gained through these decisions can potentially lose clubs millions of pounds.

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  66. the most stupid comment here...Coates offsife? How old are you?5?

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  67. ive got just one thing to say The cameras see everything which they bloody do why dont the refs use them via that microphone and end all this rubbish every week.

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  68. If only they introduce the "BIG SCREEN REPLAY" technology...I'm sure that will leave the Manures red-faced

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  69. egg on efc managers face again and when his manc captain dived he is following fergies footsteps before he gets his job

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  70. Dude, if you are going to pick up on someone's punctuation, please do it with perfect spelling! ;-)

    English lessons aside, though, you, too, are correct about Ampr's post.

    What utterly baffles me is the fact that Sky, et al, can have numerous cameras at a live match and have a reply ready within seconds and yet FIFA cannot make their minds up as to which system to use for goal line technology.

    Why is it that, in 2012, the biggest sport in the world with the biggest revenues, TV audiences etc, etc is still being officiated by a single person in the middle of the field and one on either end, who are more often than not older and not in peak physical condition, trying to keep up with 20 athletes, some of whom can do 100m in under 11 seconds?

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  71. You got free kicks for both of them, what's your point? Jaimie is making a point about the linesman not the referee. After watching that yesterday and reading some of these comments it just seems the Everton fans and players were just desperate for one of our players to be sent off. Howard ran 25 yards to confront the referee to try and get Sterling sent off... An 18 year old player making his debut in the derby and an established player tries to get him sent off. Can't get my head round that. I know that Liverpool didn't deserve to win that yesterday but either by incompetence or cheating the 3 points was taking away from us and like Jaimie said the guy should never be allowed to run the line in the premier league again..

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  72. Is it not incompetence to get an obvious decision so horribly wrong?

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  73. Because Fifa think it's still the 1950s and such technology isn't ready yet.

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  74. If you could analyse all Liverpool games this season you could be in a position not to rule out conspiracy. Liverpool has been a victim of poor officiation more than any other team in the league. So conspiracy and corruption are the best word to use here, manily after looking at the position of the linesman, no one would need a binoculars to make a a right decision there.
    Granger Gibby

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  75. Corruption is rife in football. World Cup in Qatar for example

    Maybe having real time reviews of match changing decisions would harm the corrupt sports betting markets. Difficult when winners can't be arranged.

    Time for a breakaway group from FIFA to be formed?

    Some things I'd like introduced.

    - zero tolerance of talking back to officials
    - overhaul of yellow / red cards system
    - sin bins
    - citing and retrospective punishment
    - increase goal size (Current size based on a historical average height figure
    - extra match officials, c.10 officials. Ref per half, 2 linesmen per half
    - video replay used for all major decisions, ball crossing line, offsides, yellows / red cards

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  76. i played football and while running accidents happen and late challenges happen but you dont get red cards for any slight tackle so to say he should of got red is what i thought mirallas should of seen 2 yellow cards as well at beginning of game for waving card sign to influence ref should be yellow and he challenged sterlin the same as sterlin recieved his card! watch the game again kid

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  77. a telling off then 1 card kid

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  78. Test cricket allows teams the right to a number of appeals per innings. Appeals are allowed in tennis, in rugby league and even Formula 1 is subject to reviews during the race. As Jaimie has said, these things tend to even them selves out over the season, but should football not consider allowing teams the opportunity to contest contentious decisions. Say two appeals per half. It would certainly cut out a huge number of frivolous claims. Mind you, whilst that old dinosaur Blatter and his syncophatic underling, Platini, are in control, it will never happen! Have long have these two morons taken to finally approve goal line technology, which is an absolute must.

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  79. THE ULTIMATE DECISION BELONGS TO THE REF. MY QUESTION IS :

    WHY DIDNT HE MAINTAIN HIS DECISION FOR GOAL?


    ANYWAY, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS FURTHER ACTION BECAUSE PREMIER LEAGUE CANNOT AFFORD TO ACCEPT QUESTIONABLE DECISION THAT JEOPARDIZE : RESULTS OF A match


    IT DESTROYS THE 'SPECTACLE' AND FAIRPLAY IN A MATCH

    IN THE LONGRUN EVEN TV /MEDIA WILL START LOSING INTEREST IN A SUCH A LEAGUE WHERE QUESTIONABLE DECISION DESTROYS OBVIOUS TRENDS/RESULTS IN A MATCH.

    SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING !!!!
    IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A COMPLAINT TO FA AND ASK FIFA TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT KIND OF DECISION?

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  80. Thanks for that. Just added the missing letter.

    Yes, it's baffling. The reason may be that poor officiating would come to an abrupt end. It would then be pointless to bribe a ref. That can't be in the best interest of a corrupt organisation like FIFA. What for would people ask next? Transparent elections?

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  81. I have a gut feeling that the supporters of one certain club I don't particular like wouldn't join those protests. They'd have too much to lose.

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  82. I'd like to think that the foul Sterling received the yellow card for never merited one. Moments later an Everton player committed a foul even more worthy of a yellow and got away with it. The inconsistency of officiating is mind-boggling.

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  83. I could name a few. You don't seem to be a nice bloke either.

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  84. Fantastico-Galactico6:51 pm, October 29, 2012

    Why has everyone missed the off side against Suarez in the first half???

    He was given off side when there was a red and Blueshirt having a chin wag 20yards infront of play!! The Red shirt was on the wing and the ball played down the middle.
    That was maybe one of the worst offside decisions given in the history of the game!

    Yet nobody even notices ?

    So no surprise he was given offside for his goal.. In the Linos mind he must he must of been at least 30ft offside :/

    The crazy thing is even when replayed the commentators agreed it was off side either choosing or failing not to notice the players infront play!

    That off side throws out all other possibilities but for a currupt Lino !

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  85. Corruption?

    Just replay ManU vs Liverpool and ManU vs Chelsea.

    That's 6 points right there. Is there any doubt?

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  86. Nobody seems to pick up on the fact that Coates is climbing all over Jagielka ?

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  87. Man U's CEO being promoted to vice chairman of the FA in order to get him into the UEFA committee. Coincidence, eh? Don't care much about conspiracy theories and the like, but this surely is a conflict of interests.

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  88. I, too, am not a native speaker, but for the love of God, get yourself a spell-checker.

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  89. Is that like Stevie G having a word with Clattenburg when he already had a yellow card in his hand for the challenge by Hibbert a few years ago, he changed it to a red did he not ?

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  90. Maybe the officials have realised that Liverpool have been getting dodgy decisions for over 30 years and they'r evening things up ???

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  91. numpty. jags should have gone, last man and fouls. suarez should not of had a yellow in the first place. fellaini constantly kicking lumps out of sterling and allen. you truelly are an idiot and clueless. mistake or bad tackle from suarez only he knows. your just desperate and bitter. like most blues nowa days

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  92. the 10 + fouls from fellaini...............no didnt think so. baines foul on sterling just before the 1st goal, maybe a red

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  93. Finallywegetadecision:-)9:04 pm, October 29, 2012

    But we did not. 6 points.

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  94. finallywegetadecision:-)9:06 pm, October 29, 2012

    This is pure comedy.

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  95. finallywegetadecision:-)9:07 pm, October 29, 2012

    Great line!

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  96. finallywegetadecision:-)9:10 pm, October 29, 2012

    did an adult type this?

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  97. finallywegetadecision:-)9:11 pm, October 29, 2012

    Will not happen though, so you're still 6 points behind us. diddums :-)

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  98. cheats they r whats new it happens all the time get new refs

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  99. finallywegetadecision:-)9:14 pm, October 29, 2012

    Note the difference....Moyes publically and privately condemns his player for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Rodgers (like Dalglish before him) blindly supports and victimises his player. You cannot buy class. 6 points ahead :-)

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  100. finallywegetadecision:-)9:14 pm, October 29, 2012

    Why are you shouting?

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  101. finallywegetadecision:-)9:16 pm, October 29, 2012

    Ah, the pure comedy of Liverpool fans claiming there is a level of corruption or unfairness in this game. Makes me smile :-)
    Clive Thomas, Graham Poll, Mark Clattenburg (yes, him).....can you hear me.....your boys took a hell of a beating.....

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  102. finallywegetadecision:-)9:18 pm, October 29, 2012

    Stopped reading after second line.....NO, Jakielka should not have got a red. He did not deliberately stop a goalscoring opportunity. The pass (from the team who invented passing) was misplaced by 60 YARDS. Not sure even young Sterling would have caught that one :-)

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  103. finallywegetadecision:-)9:20 pm, October 29, 2012

    It was intentional. There, I did it.

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  104. finallywegetadecision:-)9:22 pm, October 29, 2012

    Finally, a balanced view.

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  105. Neither did we. In fact we have only lost to Everton 4 times in 25 games ;o)

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  106. Clearly biased. Prob Man U fan.

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  107. What about the starving children in Africa though Jamie?

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  108. There's no professional on this forum (or in the world) who hasn't made a stupid, basic mistake then slapped forehead in digust when the reality revealed itself. Steven Gerrard has made more mistakes than 10 linesmen already this season, and its his day job! Refs have day jobs, and decent ones at that, but its not as a referee. And they don't have 40,000 Everton fans shouting !OFFSIDE! in their ears at their day job either. I was there - in with the oppo -difficult to contain myself after going 2-0 up. He ballsed it up. It affected outcome of game. End of.

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  109. haha lol say no more. one of thoses losses i can remember under rafa and everton got away with literally kicking liverpool off the park that day at goodison, was a joke. another fine display from the man in black, but hey players must sense it when there is a week man in charge along with the officials.
    god knows where these type of people come from............a liberary, traffic wardens lol

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  110. none contact is it, coates to strong for the overrated jags. if it was a foul. then the throw you had for the second which should of been ours, the game ends 2-1 to the better team trying to play football (LFC)
    deluded or what
    you have over achieved dont get ahead of yourself

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  111. Massive blue and yes it was a goal but also
    He should have been sent off too but as for
    Conspiracy welcome to our world of not getting
    A lot of the game changing decisions. It's a condition
    Afflicting most clubs outside the "big 4" it's new
    To you lot but you gunna need get used to it for
    A while at least.
    Remember poll when he bottled Hutchison
    Winner said blew full time whistle sky
    Proved he did but after the ball crossed the line.
    It's the crap like this that gives us something to
    Talk about its why we love the game the more
    Errors they remove the more the big 4 will
    Get further ahead and the game will die in
    My eyes

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  112. The linesman flagged for offside. If he believed it was a foul he would have waved his flag and signaled to the ref. The real problem is how long he took to flag. As Jamie pointed out, if he believed it was offside his flag would have gone up straight away & everyone would accept he made an error. But why wait so long to flag? I agree with Gary Neville who said he bottled it. The fans & Everton players shouted, he was probably too busy thinking about what he was going to have for his lunch and simply threw the flag up having not even seen the incident. Shocking really.

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  113. If you had read my comment about why the goal shouldn't have stood, you wouldn't have gone on about the offside and the timing by the linesman. The timing, and the offside (which wasn't) has nothing to do with why the goal should have been disallowed.

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  114. I would add that if a player needs treatment & so has to go off then he cannot come back on for 5 minutes..that would stop a lot of deliberate time wasting. Players truly injured won't come back on anyway.

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  115. You are right mate - it wouldn't. No challenging calls like in American footy for some time yet me thinks. Shame it would work IMO - the game would become better value for long suffering fans as they'd get to spend more time at the ground watching the match. Sponsors would make more money due to increased breaks on TV and we would FINALLY get a system that actually bases itself on fact and not on 'what I thought happened at the time even though i wasn't looking' situation we have at the moment. It's only a matter of time. Maybe decades but it will happen.

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  116. No i dont think it is, if he gets a decision wrong 9 times out of 10, its incompetence. If its once in a blue moon is it not just human error? We have all had the prvillege of being arm chair supporters and u watching the replays over and over, and saying it obvious. And im sure the linesman will agree he got it wrong, but no one here has ever made a mistake at work?

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  117. At the same times LFC must strengthen striker area with making good signing.It is will reduce out tension about reffree.FA England will should not get respect and crebility.BPL will be not the best of league because reffree is corruption.I think FIFA must investigate what happen between FA ,Alex Ferguson and Mufc.They some thing wrong if the same mistake happen with oftenly every season.

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  118. everton are far the better side end of........

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  119. ever-'we would have won the european cup,but for you pesky reds'-ton, are priceless! a hypocritical mouthpiece for a manager..( has he stripped neville of the captaincy yet? as he finds divers/cheats so abhorrent), as your name suggests....boo hoo!!!! the world is against us, never mind the fact you are just, and have been for many,many,many years, average. we may not be the side we once were, but we can still summon up a cup now and again.

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  120. i take it you didn't watch the game, otherwise you would have known that we drew. oh dear, we are dealing with a 'special' case with you aren't we???

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  121. Yeh.... Sort of missed my point about a established player trying to get a young lad sent off but hey ho...

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  122. Better than who ? Stoke

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  123. bettison and thatcher and of cause fred west!!!!

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