You couldn't make it up. In a statement released a couple of days ago, SOS expressed their disappointment that LFC’s new American owners had not been in contact to ‘engage’ with them. They’re kidding, right?!
There have been several amusing/ironic things about the Liverpool sale so far (Fan hypocrisy over Christian Purslow; LFC fan websites getting it so wrong for so long about the debt/the motives of LFC hierarchy), but this has to be the funniest. Part of SOS’s statement read:
It is disappointing that none of the potential purchase groups are yet to engage with Spirit of Shankly and we would expect that to happen now before any sale is concluded so the issues most closely concerning supporters can be discussed.
You have to admire the brazen chutzpah. For months and months, SOS conducted an antagonistic, xenophobic hate campaign against Hicks and Gillett, spewing the mantra ‘YANKS OUT’ at every opportunity, and whipping some sections of the Liverpool fanbase into an irrational, baying mob.
After this site vehemently attacked SOS’s stance (and ONLY this site), they were shamed into changing their ‘Yanks Out’ tagline. However, SOS members then burned the American flag outside Anfield (!), a disgraceful incident that brought shame on the club, embarrassed the fanbase, and alienated US Liverpool fans everywhere.
After all that xenophobic discontent, SOS actually has the gall to ‘expect’ a new AMERICAN owner to ‘engage’ with them?!
Why on earth would John W. Henry want to have anything to do with a baying rabble of thugs who took great delight in regularly and repeatedly insulting his country?
It’s hilarious to me that SOS feels slighted over the snub.
WAKE UP!
You reap what you sow. This is precisely what happens when you cut off your own nose to spite your face. And if New England Sports Ventures have any sense at all, they will stay well clear of SOS.
SOS should look on the bright side though – when they inevitably turn against the new Owners for failing to cut the Anfield grass to within a millimeter of UEFA specifications, (or some other spurious reason), they can just recycle all their ‘Yanks Out’ banners, which will save them a shedload of money.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
And the silver lining here is that when Hicks and Gillett are gone, an emasculated SOS might wither and die, with their place being taken by fan Union/Organisation of which LFC fans *worldwide* can be proud.
Jaimie Kanwar
There have been several amusing/ironic things about the Liverpool sale so far (Fan hypocrisy over Christian Purslow; LFC fan websites getting it so wrong for so long about the debt/the motives of LFC hierarchy), but this has to be the funniest. Part of SOS’s statement read:
It is disappointing that none of the potential purchase groups are yet to engage with Spirit of Shankly and we would expect that to happen now before any sale is concluded so the issues most closely concerning supporters can be discussed.
You have to admire the brazen chutzpah. For months and months, SOS conducted an antagonistic, xenophobic hate campaign against Hicks and Gillett, spewing the mantra ‘YANKS OUT’ at every opportunity, and whipping some sections of the Liverpool fanbase into an irrational, baying mob.
After this site vehemently attacked SOS’s stance (and ONLY this site), they were shamed into changing their ‘Yanks Out’ tagline. However, SOS members then burned the American flag outside Anfield (!), a disgraceful incident that brought shame on the club, embarrassed the fanbase, and alienated US Liverpool fans everywhere.
After all that xenophobic discontent, SOS actually has the gall to ‘expect’ a new AMERICAN owner to ‘engage’ with them?!
Why on earth would John W. Henry want to have anything to do with a baying rabble of thugs who took great delight in regularly and repeatedly insulting his country?
It’s hilarious to me that SOS feels slighted over the snub.
WAKE UP!
You reap what you sow. This is precisely what happens when you cut off your own nose to spite your face. And if New England Sports Ventures have any sense at all, they will stay well clear of SOS.
SOS should look on the bright side though – when they inevitably turn against the new Owners for failing to cut the Anfield grass to within a millimeter of UEFA specifications, (or some other spurious reason), they can just recycle all their ‘Yanks Out’ banners, which will save them a shedload of money.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
And the silver lining here is that when Hicks and Gillett are gone, an emasculated SOS might wither and die, with their place being taken by fan Union/Organisation of which LFC fans *worldwide* can be proud.
Jaimie Kanwar
WELL SAID! couldn't have put it better myself!
ReplyDeleteJaimie to be fair I think you have strong opinions about SOS for whatever reasons, their application is questionable but the core of their anger is undestandable to say the least. This should be a time to move on from these turbulant times instead of taking the time to make digs at others for the way then act. Hicks and Gillet look set to leave Anfield for good and im glad of that and to all that helped oust them I congragulate you for doing what you had to do to get the job done.
ReplyDeleteJaimie I suggest you chill out and move on!
Very true, always said alot of these so called football experts and lovers of the club are nothing more than lager louts, especially up north :)
ReplyDeleteTrue, SOS seem to think they are the fans representatives and therefore they should be the people who the directors speak too, but in reality most of the LFC fan base don't like SOS and their ways, and find it quite embarrasing.
ReplyDeleteThe new owners shouldn't speak to SOS cause SOS don't represent me!
You seem to be as bad as they are. You simply keep the vitriol smoldering. Time to put away childish things and move on . All of you!
ReplyDeleteI am perfectly chilled. As I said, you reap what you sow. SOS and its supporters never hesitated to attack me when I dared to point out that a xenophobic approach to the Owners was wrong. And the truth is, if the new Owners do something wrong, SOS will be back on their case in their usual intimidatory, antagonistic way.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, how can SOS be taken seriously after all the yanks Out/Flag burning nonsense?! It's unforgivable, and American fans will not forget it. Nor should they.
Fuck off you idiots.
ReplyDeleteSky brainwashed fans the lot of you, bet you all wanted Rafa out aswell? Gang of fucking clowns.
gaga... that's because we're a northern club, don't like it - fuck off.
Fight for your club, Shankly did, he instilled it into US proper FANS.
Go and support Chelsea or City, wankers
Up north???? Surely there's not many lfc supporters in Scotland!
ReplyDeleteI would normally delete this message but this is a prime example of the SOS mentality. Take a good look: is this what we want representing fans of the club?! ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ReplyDeleteWhether you agree with how the SOS group go about their actions isn't important. What is important is action itself, which as far as I can see SOS has become a worldwide recognised fan group, while you have done NOTHING to help the club with your 'words'.
ReplyDeleteI am not a member of SOS, I am a season ticket holder however, and I know who I'd want fighting my corner. And it isn't you Jamie, and your feeble, pathetic war of words with other sites.
Funny how you go hiding for a few months and then suddenly pop out of your dark hole waving your hands in the air shouting 'HEY LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG'.
Except you can't shout - just write your biased cr*p that does nothing to help anyone except your ego.
I actually wrote an article for this site in it's early days, but it didn't take long to see that you are full of it. Bitter as a blue it appears.
Shame.
Agree 100% with the article. Engage with SOS...............Horseshite
ReplyDeleteI am a LFC season ticket holder, and just because I don't agree with the hypocrisy of SOS doesn't make you a bigger fan than me.
ReplyDeleteIf SOS toned things down a bit and thought about what they were doing before they acted then I am sure a lot more people would join up, me included. Lets not forget although SOS don't realise it they are in the minority.
Now now, no need to get angry with the facts :) Jaimie point has been proven once more :)
ReplyDeletei love liverpool since i was born.
ReplyDeleteI was happy when i had on BBC yesterday that it has been bought by an American company.
I hope it grows stronger with the new ownership.
Bye bye little boy
ReplyDeleteDuglish, really? Did that make you feel good?
ReplyDeleteMoving on, Im not in dispute that the actions taken were over the top in some aspects nor am I questioning that some damge will be done to USA supporters of LFC. What im saying is its time to repair damage now and move on SOS have done the job that was required they assisted in getting Hicks and Gillet out, for that thanks. Hopefully now we can settle down and get the club back on track and then there is no need for SOS as you say Jaimie a worldwide supporters union is more preferred were all fans from far and wide can live in future glories of LFC YNWA!
Im not of the same opinion as Duglish as long as you support LFC you are a friend of mine however little or large your comittment.
Fighting for your club is different to what SOS are doing. SOS obviously have the club at heart, but they care more about themselves first.
ReplyDeleteNotice how they didn't tweet or post about that anti-Hicks video the other day? It wasn't SOS related, so why would they!
while SOS tactics may have been questionable they shared the same goal as reds fans worldwide to get these two imbeciles out of our club! and i think should be applauded for being pro active in their pursuit to rid our club of these cretins. their goal was to make the owners feel uncomfortable and not welcome, and as a result sometimes your actions have to make a statement! if SOS didnt perform their actions perhaps the americans would have felt comfortable pillaging our great club, you seem obsessed with SOS, but at least their actions produced results, instead of childish in fighting and self berating with childish "i said this first!" comments. at the end of the day no one is bothered.
ReplyDeleteI expect the new owners will avoid at all costs. Why would anyone meet up with a group known to have published unapproved minutes in the past (with Purslow?) so they could add their own subjective spin onto the topics discussed.
ReplyDeleteI agree they dont speak for me a life long red......all sos want is a place on the board and using fans to try and get there by saying there the voice of the fans.......no ya not!
ReplyDeleteyou charge for the right to be a member.....you go around with beggin buckets you sell ur own t-shirts etc etc ..........where does all that money go that people are so nieve to hand over to you?.........id love to know.
I normally don't actively participate in this forum but I've been an avid reader of the contents of this site. I think SOS should be more patient and wait for the right opportunity to engage with the new yanks. Drawing disappointment for not engaging talks with SOS while the new yanks are not officially owners yet is like a child throwing tantrums at the breakfast table.
ReplyDeleteI understand the concern of SOS with the new yanks and I truly agree as well. But as fans, we do not make board decisions and neither do we influence the price of the club. So what I implore SOS is to act with great decency and conduct while mutually engage a constructive discussion with the new owners (once confirmed).
Also the raison detre of SOS was due to Hicks and Gillet, now that they are almost gone thanks to the collaborative efforts from the fans - I suppose SOS will probably cease to exist unless the new agenda now is to continue to serve fans (for hidden agenda I don't know).
So if the new owners are doing good to the club, SOS shouldn't be worried right? It is not like they have an obligation to serve your bidding right? So please be patient and maintain relevance to your cause, SOS. YNWA.
SOS talk a lot of shit, why should they expect new owners to talk with them when they probably have never heard of them
ReplyDeleteKanwar pack this shit in. Do you really want to receive a backlash that will se your s(h)ite getting the same treatment as Blackstone. If we the "militant few" could take down there mailserver, you really are easy meat
ReplyDeleteWell wrote Jamie. Another article attacking other forums/supporters groups/fill in blanks. It is nice to read such insightful and balanced debate from the only website that promulgates such intelligent and balanced articles. Let's forget about all the other non-important news about the sale of the club. That is such a common news item it below this site. Keep up the battle, soon we will all now to the one truly informed and intelligent Liverpool fan.
ReplyDeleteWell wrote Jamie. Another article attacking other forums/supporters groups/fill in blanks. It is nice to read such insightful and balanced debate from the only website that promulgates such intelligent and balanced articles. Let's forget about all the other non-important news about the sale of the club. That is such a common news item it below this site. Keep up the battle, soon we will all now to the one truly informed and intelligent Liverpool fan.
ReplyDeleteWell wrote Jamie. Another article attacking other forums/supporters groups/fill in blanks. It is nice to read such insightful and balanced debate from the only website that promulgates such intelligent and balanced articles. Let's forget about all the other non-important news about the sale of the club. That is such a common news item it below this site. Keep up the battle, soon we will all now to the one truly informed and intelligent Liverpool fan.
ReplyDeleteI have supported the reds for sixty years and been a season ticket holder for forty of those years and I wish to make it quite plain SOS do not represent me
ReplyDeleteHere here. I got kicked off a fans forum for daring to criticise SoS who are a bunch of aggressive meatheads. Hang your heads in shame, ShareLiverpool for jumping into bed with them.
ReplyDeleteTypical SoS response.
ReplyDeleteSpot on - Shankly was a gentleman. The difference between him and the group that shaedly takes his name is enormous
ReplyDeleteThis is whats wrong with SOS they don't like any body who questions them, they think they are whiter than white and this comment is just indicative of the mentality of SOS members.
ReplyDelete'LFC for life', You do realise that Liverpool football club charge you to be a member aswell? The £10 sign up fee is a neccessity for a number of reasons, mainly the high cost of the annual commitee votes and leafleting. But it also means we don't end up in a situation like MUST found themselves with '100,000' members but no one prepared to do anything more than click on a website.
ReplyDeleteAnd SOS doesn't just exist to remove the two americans. To ignore the exellent work SOS has done in the community with the football quarter and summer coaching camps would foolish, as well as providing cheap affordable away travel for supporters.
And FYI, SOS is a global supporters union.
Bring it on.
ReplyDeleteIf this site spent as much time attacking hick and gillet I would have some respect for it but as this site attacks players,fans and ex managers it should be avoided by all true red supporters. Kanwar how can claim to be a Liverpool fan and then write articles for a man u site which spouts lies about hillsborough
ReplyDeleteGlobal? Don't make me laugh. If SOS is so global, why didn't its members take the leadership to task overly its blatantly xenophobic methods? SOS's members were content for years to roll with the YANKS OUT approach, continually trying to justify it as'not that bad'. You have to be fair and be *seen to be fair* SOS is the opposite of that. A truly global organisation does not sgtand for such tactics.
ReplyDeleteL18 doesnt change the fact that the group you represent go overboard alot of the time and could put off potential investors!
ReplyDeleteGuys, Iv been following this with interest - Gillette and Hicks have destroyed this once mighty club, no doubt about that and its a shame, but think on... you invited the wolves through the door in the first place ... your now doing it again ... this new guy is steeling the club (their valuation seem's low when you consider everything) Do you not think they may be in it just for a quick buck, £300 mil clears the debt so the club and assets have cost's them nothing! and a debt free club is a valuable one!- I think theirs more to come .... hope to play you again someday soon, hopefully in a league we both belong!
ReplyDeleteAnd who are you to say what tactics should be used?
ReplyDeleteI think considering the hurt, pain and worry the owners have cause fans worldwide, these tactics are fair.
If someone was killing something you loved in front of your eyes Jamie would you ask them nicely to stop?
Because obviously, the members have at least a brain cell between them and as a result where able to distinguish between a tagline being aimed at a group of individuals and not a whole country.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you continue this crap ? You sound so self righteous . You also sound scarily like someone who has been employed to shit stir things up under the philosophy of divide and conquer. I wonder if this mail will stay up ...I just feel you should stop criticizing other groups for how they act .. many Americans who I have talked to fully understand the campaign sos started .. You should stop speaking for others and concentrate on a brighter future with the two dispicable vermin almost out.. Lets accept each other and our ways and beliefs and unite in support of our club. stop the sniping. what do you think?
ReplyDeleteHopefully this sale is ratified by the high court soon so we can all move on and maybe some of the players will cheer up a bit and start performing
ReplyDeleteThere will not be any part ownership by fans, just won't happen
So sick of the sight of that ugly old Republican Hicks, I would love it if they lose £50+ million each.......... LOVE IT
Jaimie, soon we can talk about performances on the pitch again and forget all this bickering with SoS etc. So tiresome, no wonder you needed a break!
I have a dream........... In 5 years time, we are cemented in top 4, another CL win under our belt, couple PL titles, full to capacity 60,000 seater rebuilt anfield, Sir Alex retired and United languishing mid table...... and all Liverpool fans singing in unity
Yes, because aiming it a group of individuals makes it alright. This is precisely the lack of awareness I'm talking about.
ReplyDeleteI don't represent SOS. That's a common misconception on this site, that everyone who vocally supports them is representing them. I see Kanwar is still trying to claim it was SOS who burnt the american flag, when in fact it was just a group of young local lads.
ReplyDeleteSOS have made mistakes yes, but they are only working towards the same goal as everyone ele.
And for the last time, SOS do not claim to represent any of you. They represent their members.
I use to enjoy reading your articles. Now, you've just become as childish and ridiculous as other sites which i will not mention. I thought you were intelligent, though now it seems that i was wrong and you are just as infintile as the rest. Its a shame.
ReplyDeleteI pay my lfc membership to the club that i want to support.......i have no hidden agenda.....SOS want at the end of the day to get onto the board.........who protests before a game when the team are not playing well in the first place........by all means protest after the game not before! i felt ashamed to be a liverpool fan last sunday.........since when do liverpool fans boo our players off the field at half time, supporters are there to support and boast the players and back the manager when they need that lift not put them down? what happened to the voice of the kop? SOS has got a lot to answer for. to me and a lot of other fans SOS have helped to put our team where it is today.
ReplyDeleteJamie, instead of wasting valuable time with the SOS can u lease look into the proposed new owners.
ReplyDeleteThey claim they will pay off the debt (hooray!) but with funds from where? All we have been told is that shareholders will ay off the debt with cash.
They have not really committed to building a new stadium.
They are not that cash rich!
I know we are all happy that dumb and dumber are on their way out but we must ask the neccessary questions of the new owners. They will have to take loans at some point (this is business I know!) but at what cost??
I have had exerience dealing with Henrys financial comanies and although I do not mind that there primary concern is profit I would like to know more before I start juming for joy!
Whether you or anyone else thinks I'm 'intelligent' is irrelevant to me. I am consistent with my views, and I tell it like I see it. If people don't like that, they do't have to visit the site.
ReplyDelete“I’d like a fan experienced in business who is associated with Share Liverpool or Spirit of Shankly and who has the club at heart to be put on the Board." Phil Thompson, nothing wrong with letting the fans have a say.
ReplyDeleteHi there - I will be posting something about the new owners/finances etc just as soon as I've researched it fully.
ReplyDeleteI would like to add that at 300 million there are billionares out there who would happily plough substantial funds into LFC so why Henry who albeit successful is not that wealthy in comarison!?
ReplyDeleteIs it because 2 members of the current board will be retained?
I am suspicious but am waiting to be proved wrong...hoping actually!
I agree - nothing wrong at all with fans having a saym but from SOS *shudder* .
ReplyDeleteWe already have a fan experienced in business on the board: Christian Purslow; and look how nicely he was treated by the fans.
I also agree the fans having a say but not with sos on the board......i also didn't see where the hatred for purslow came from.......so he didnt inform sos of there every move in the boardroom so what he had a job and now its all coming out he and the also hated chelsea supporter are doing there very best for the club we all love.
ReplyDeleteking kenny on the board when broughton goes he knows what is best for our club.
looking from the outside it's obvious that sos has had a major influence on hiks's attempts to refinance.
ReplyDeleteTelling like you see it. No, what you are doing is alienting all of the fans out there. Not everyone has the knowledge nor abilities to understand nor atttain the knowledge of is really going on from within our club. They cling to whatever information is thrown at them because that is the extent of their abilities in attaining this infornmation. My point being tha tif you were a "real" supporter you would do so without having to resort to attacking a vast majority of the fanbase. Sure, SOS have done some negative things, but when you weigh it out they have accomplished just as much good. Yes i understand that there have been certain individuals that have tried to slight your views and ideas, but why resort to attacking a whole group of individuals who have done nothing but support the club they love. Attacking the SOS is childish, like i said, there are many individuals who belong to this group that are being led by certain individuals to attain certain goals. If you are going to attack anyone, attack the individuals, not the whole group. It could be just easy to say that every Liverpool supporter is to blame because they support Liverpool and this is their fault. That is not only wrong but infintile. And, essentially that is what you are doing.
ReplyDeleteTelling like you see it. No, what you are doing is alienting all of the fans out there. Not everyone has the knowledge nor abilities to understand nor atttain the knowledge of is really going on from within our club. They cling to whatever information is thrown at them because that is the extent of their abilities in attaining this infornmation. My point being tha tif you were a "real" supporter you would do so without having to resort to attacking a vast majority of the fanbase. Sure, SOS have done some negative things, but when you weigh it out they have accomplished just as much good. Yes i understand that there have been certain individuals that have tried to slight your views and ideas, but why resort to attacking a whole group of individuals who have done nothing but support the club they love. Attacking the SOS is childish, like i said, there are many individuals who belong to this group that are being led by certain individuals to attain certain goals. If you are going to attack anyone, attack the individuals, not the whole group. It could be just easy to say that every Liverpool supporter is to blame because they support Liverpool and this is their fault. That is not only wrong but infintile. And, essentially that is what you are doing.<span>
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In my view SOS don't represents Liverpool Fans in a general manner and surely, the way in which SOS run the business doesn't reflect the large majority of LFC fans' opinions (fans inside & outside Liverpool).
ReplyDeleteSOS have the right to represent only the opinions of his followers.
So, although I have to say thanks, as a Liverpool's fan, to SOS for the great exposure on the Media about H+G's regime, I can't understand why every time an Owner refuses to speak with them, the pressure mounts on the Owner.
Ownership must build a genuine relationship with all LFC Fans and with the Whole City, and not with the SOS, because SOS doesn't represents alle the perspectives of city.
Look forward to jamie...let me know If i can help in any way.
ReplyDeleteWhat is not in dispute or in need of research is that Henry is successful and has an immense desire to win. The problem in todays world is that his company is worth 800-900 million and that is not enough for a quick fix at LFC. This does not mean its a bad thing or that we fans should be impatient its just the stakes have risen dramatically since Man Utd ruled the football financial world with first Abramovic and now sheikh Mansour....did u know the Al Nayans wanted LFC before Man city?
How can you mock this reasoned, well thought out and articulate comment?!!!
ReplyDeleteSOS - Shower Of (insert SOS expletive here).
Good article Jamie, we've not always agreed, but as a Liverpool fan and not represented by SOS, you have called it right on Purslow, the debt and the ownership of that debt and have directed people to your site when others have argued based on what has been written in the press. Can't believe the press have always got it so wrong as well!
Here's an article you may find interesting:
http://dofonline.co.uk/blogs/the-edge/football/liverpool-fc-3453454/?
If you feel like writing something about an issue that interests you re the new owners/financial situation etc, please do, and I'll happily post it on the site.
ReplyDeleteWell said Jamie. Who do these thugs think they are? They act like a bunch of terorists burning flags then they expect the new owners to engage with them.
ReplyDeleteAnother balanced view from Mr Kick Your Head In. The Militant few? Are these the few that are seeking to be engaged by our prospective new owners.
ReplyDeleteYou may want to change your name before sending an invite!
Agree that in Christian Purslow we do actually have a fan with great business experience on the board who has the best interests of the club at heart. All that tosh about him 'sacking Rafa' is uninformed tosh.
ReplyDeleteWould love to see Kenny on the board also (as director of football perhaps), as lfcforlife said, much more in fact than seeing him wheeled back out as manager.
As for SoS, they have put a lot of effort into the campaigns to get rid of Hick's & Gillette, as well as many other non-SoS members like myself. So the criticism in the article may be a bit OTT, though I can't really see why they expect contact from new owners as, like they say themselves, they only represent their members and not the fans.
It's also difficult to see how relevant an organisation they'll be if the new owners prove to have integrity, and I hope they're given plenty of time to show that. I was tempted to join SoS because of their stance on H&G but was put off by seeing the Munich video on YouTube and the apparent attitude sometimes put out that if you aren't with them you're not a real fan.
One of the main aims of SoS is part fan-ownership, but as they only represent their members perhaps this objective should be amended to part SoS ownership. It would be interesting to see if the organisation could actually raise the necessary hard cash before asking people to give this option any serious consideration. Putting an SoS man on the board raises many questions over wages, conflicts of interests, boardroom confidentiality, ownership investment, financial exposure and liability, who would he be accountable to? etc etc. Apart from anything else isn't the 'Liverpool Way' to keep their laundry in house?
Why SoS feels they ought to be contacted by new owners, I've no idea- as long as fans are kept in the picture this time, through whatever media, most of us will be happy enough. We just want to see our club get back on track after some hideous years!
As for using the word 'yanks', I'm not sure thats a term considered by Americans to be quite as offensive as Jamie's article implies, and certainly nothing like approaching the disgusting terminology used to label people from parts of Asia and the Middle East.
If the legal wrangles work out favourably in the near future, lets get behind Liverpool Football Club and back our manager, players, board and owners and make some noise again. Let's help to reawaken a sleeping giant.
YNWA
Nick Griffin's party holds community events too, but he doesn't get my vote nor do SOS!
ReplyDeletewhy did you delete half my mail out am I onto something? Jamie why did you start this site in 2007 ?
ReplyDeleteDo you mean 'were' or 'we're (we are)'?
ReplyDeleteBurning a flag is always wrong but Yanks out is quite harmless as they are obviously aiming it onlay at the 2 yanks in charge. To me yank is quite like being called a pomm, a bit of friendly "racism" :)
ReplyDeleteI'm not a member of SOS and i don't plan to be as some of their other tactics i find questionable
The whole ownership issue is a worrying aspect for any club. Im still totally in the dark as to why Hicks & Gillette want to hold onto our club past the 15th October? Can someone shed some light on this issue? Whats the point in taking the holdings company into administration, the debt still has to be paid for and i cant see RBS taking control of the company. Liverpool FC as a club is a profit making business (right jamie?) therefore the club cant be docked 9 points. The difference between other clubs and ours is that we can pay the players wages, bonuses and staff too whereas Sheff Wed, Palace etc cant.
ReplyDeleteThe point im trying to make is if Kop Holdings Limited goes into administration, what affect does that have on Liverpool FC?
Sorry i might seem dumb right now but i just want to know the truth.
I'm glad that they haven't engaged with SoS, the group is an embarrassment to the "real fans" (as they would say). If you want to engage with the Liverpool fans, of which there are many and from a variety of cities, countries and continents then the best place to do that is the official Liverpool website.
ReplyDeleteI still don't get what SoS stand for because the only thing I've heard them spout is "Get the yanks out" which is narrowminded to say the least.
Thanks for the kind words :-)
ReplyDeleteLike you, it's amazing to me that the Press got it so wrong for so long. Vested interests and personal bias getting in the way (especially at The Times, where a couple of their Journos are affiliated to SOS, thus spread their nonsense in paper.
Hi Karim - H+G want to hold onto the club because they don't want to lose money, and they want to make a profit. Since they arrived, they loaned LFC money (144m) via their holding companies (Kop Football Ltd/Kop Football Holdings). The deal in place for NESV means that they will lose that money.
ReplyDeleteLFC is indeed solvent, and making record profits, which is why there will be no points deduction (sam as West Ham).
If Kop Holdings goes into administration, the impact on LFC (specifically, the company that runs LFC: Liverpool Football and Athletics Grounds Ltd - LFCAGL) is nothing. No point deduction; no financial loss. The impact is squarely on Hicks and Gillett.
This is what I've mean all along when I've argued that there will no impact on the club from H+G's financial shenanigans. This is also why I haven't been that worried about the situation. Whatever happened, the club would always eventually get sold; H+G would be hung out to dry, and life would go on.
Bottom line: LFC's acquisition debt cleared; H+G no longer own the club; no points deduction. Onwards and upwards.
Personally, I think SOS are abusing the name of Shankly to gather support they wouldn't have otherwise been able to attract.
ReplyDeleteIf G&H leave, then do SOS still possess a valid constitution? If I were the incoming owners and wanted to 'engage' and involve fans, I'd be much more likely to engage with Share Liverpool.
A fan on the board would do a lot to heal the recent damage. SOS must disband upon the takeover, or at least re-constitute into something less childish and more progressive.
Everyone likes their five minutes of fame and at least they done something but the time has come to lay down the pithforks guys.
However, if the new owners burn us also, I exect to see EVERYONE mobilised into a full boycott. We'll need to vote with our pounds as oppossed to easing our consciences with petty email campaigns while we wear a new shirt and visit the ground.
In conclusion, I think we need to give the new owners the benefit of the doubt but be ready to choke their revenue streams and hit them hard financially if they prove to be G&H - The Sequel.
And who makes up SOS Jamie, you might be suprised to know with your comments that it is Liverpool fans unlike obviously a lot of people whose comments support you. Shocking stuff again from you but sure you used to support Hicks and Gillette. You probably agree with Redknapps comments today.
ReplyDeleteDid SOS members really burn US flag outside Anfield, from what i read they are not SOS members and SOS also deny that. (BTW i am not a member of SOS and i agreed SOS does not represent all liverpool fans including me)
ReplyDeleteAs for the new owner not contacting SOS, i have something to say to SOS
- I believe most potential owners want to do it secretly without media glare, so SOS shouldnt expect or even feel disappointed that Henry did not approached them. How can Henry be sure SOS will keep it a secret?
Jamie, You always talk about H+G's investments onto the Club, but I've never seen the positive effects of these investments on the pitch, on training facilities & accademy, into the Stadium, into the first team.
ReplyDeleteAny Liverpool's manager, from Rafa to Roy, is always forced to be a deeler & wheeler since H+G took's charge.
At least Rafa had the possibility to spend money from Champions League.
This summer Hicks promised a big summer spending spree (I can perfectly remember Hicks' quotes), as Roy's transfer budget is largelly based on Masch's sell to Barcellona.
Hicks' final attempt to change the board is the ice on the cake.
Which kind of financial gangsters They are?
I've never denied Rafa's wrongs & faulths, but similarly in my view H + G, with their unrealistic valuation of LFC, They tried to destroy Our Club, as a sort of revenge against Liverpool Fans.
Rick - Hicks and Gillett loaned 144m of their own money to the club, money which they will probably lose. This is confirmed by the club's own accounts. Without that money, Liverpool would not have been able to buy Torres, Keane, Johnson, Aquilani, Mascherano, Babel, Kuyt etc etc . Not all of them were successful signings but the fact is the money was provided to buy them.
ReplyDeleteAs Broughton himself admitted in his statement. H+G are 'not completely bad guys' - He even references the fact that fans mistakenly think they didn't put any money in.
There was no spending spree this summer because the takeover was a possibility.
H+G did not deliberately try and destroy the club. Think about what you're saying. it makes no sense. They're businessmen - they want to make money. Can they do that if the club is 'destroyed'?! No.
It's easy to paint them as evil, but it's a lot more complicated than that. H+G are ultimately bad for the club, but good things have happened during their tenure too. Fans can dispute that all they like, but it's fact.
Good article Jamie.
ReplyDeleteNow now Jamie that cant be all true! Rafa generated over 100 million from the champions league...where did that money go?
ReplyDeleteTherefore it is not completely true that the players you cited were bought with fresh american capital!
Broughtons statement concerns me. He says that his first responsibility at LFC is to its creditors...that is something an administrator would say. Also, he cannot promise a new stadium by stating that we fans should look at Henrys previous dealings regarding Red Sox. Times have changed. How can they have won the bid without a definate stadium solution. This sale stinks of some type of desperation and i am shocked that more questions are not being asked !
Went and checked out the SOS statement for myself. Nearly fell of my chair laughing. As a piece of pompous and arrogant self -delusion it takes some beating. Are they putting something funny in the beer at the Sandon?
ReplyDeleteThere is just one word for the SOS...
ReplyDeleteDisgraceful.
Oh and another 3 words... Blinking F****** Idiots.
Henry is probably laughing at SOS now because geuss what? He is AMERICAN. He is not going to stand for SOS's s***. He will show them exactly what it is like to be a Proud American. I think they should arrange for a SOS Flag to be burnt and afterwards have a s*** on it and show SOS what humiliation is. Thankfully Henry is not a Disgraceful Blinking F****** Idiot and wouldn't do such shameful things.
You couldn't make it up. In a statement released a couple of days ago, SOS expressed their disappointment that LFC’s new American owners had not been in contact to ‘engage’ with them. They’re kidding, right?! That is stand up comedy at its best!!! They should now call themselves THE SPIRIT OF CLOWNS.<span>
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Liverpool have had record profits every year since H+G arrives - the CL cash is part of that (it's in the accounts). Having said that, you're right - there's no way to know what percentage of H+G's money went into transfers; the same is true of the CL cash.
ReplyDeleteBe that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that they put 144m into the club, which is very far from the fan perception that they put no money in at all
Thank you for stopping by :)
ReplyDeleteThe Lawyer...
ReplyDeleteSoon you wont have to post any more drivel...
The EPL have probably already approved Henry as LFC's new owner so there is no need for LFC's idiotic fans (SOS) to ask any question whatsoever.
Jaimie
ReplyDeleteI think another thing should be noted and that is the EPL are sooner or later going to bring an end to those who want to buy success so I would rather have Henry who is a sports addict with honest investment supposed to that of City's owners who can decide to walk away tomorrow and leave City to rot...
flag burning hasnet stoped the new owners
ReplyDeleteget over it fella
Fair enough....but what was their 144 mill spent on?
ReplyDeleteThe Roy Hodson Brigade,
ReplyDeleteI am not part of the SOS. There are many fans who are not. however, as LFC fans we must ask more questions about this takeover. The media (Sky in particular) are painting a great picture about Henry and I so hope it to be true. However, there is no detail and all the chairman keeps saying is look at thier past record. Sorry past performance is NOT indicitive of future results!
We need to know the source of funds (not just 17 shareholders) and what they expect in return.
We need to know plans for stadium expansion and I am not against remaining at Anfield if feasible.
I do know for a fact that there are better and more wealthy owners who wanted to buy LFC.
Bob Diamond and Henry are good friends. There are so many unanswered questions and I don not trust Broughton. After all, he would not earn his bonus if RBS took over LFC!
Cmon! The owners of Man City will not walk away. Even if they spend 1-2 billion it is just pocket change for them!
ReplyDeleteWe do not know the source of Henrys funds yet!
Broughton's bonus? I guess you got that from a media source backed by SOS?
ReplyDeleteBetter and more healthy owners? Like I mentioned in my post below that sooner or later the EPL are going to put a stop to those who want to buy success so what will unlimited wealth mean then? I will take a Sports die hard fan with a suitable amount of cash any day over someone who piles in money but can say goodbey in a flash without leaving a penny.
I can asure you that the Broughton who I have all the trust in together with Purslow, Ian and the EPL have done their homework on Henry. Lets leave the quetions to be asked by those who have BRAINS instead of those who call themselves fans but cant even add 1+2 to make 3...
My question to you is what will unlimited wealth mean should owners not be allowed to buy success?
ReplyDeleteThe Board and the EPL know about Henry's finances, what more do you want to hear. The EPL wont approve the deal unless they think Henry is another chancer so there is no need to panic about Henry's finances.
The reason why the board didnt keep anybody in the loop with regards to any serious bidders is because any bidding process would have ended before it even started. My thanks to Broughton, Purslow and Ian.
I personally disagree. Firstly, no board member should have such pressure placed upon them in representing all the fans. Secondly, fans are impatient and demand "immediate" results. There is generally no proper long term thinking or much patience or understanding. Just look at Real Madrid as a prime example, the way they change their managers like we do our underwear. The only reason they enjoy some success is because they have a bottomless pit of cash. Fans do not understand the running of a football club in proper depth. An idea could be to have meetings with representatives from each of the main fan groups, say quarterly.
ReplyDeleteWhy this bitterness to SOS is it because they got up and achieved their aims rather than blogging and bitching and donning a green and yellow scarf?
ReplyDeletethis was Purslow's job to find out that and if you believe in him them hopfully he will have done that. If like some other site you have a personal gridge against Christian then of course he'll be to blame for everything
ReplyDeleteWas that an interest free loan they loaned to themselves?
ReplyDeleteRHB - I completely agree. I'm actually glad that Henry doesn't have ridiculous wealth; it means that Liverpool can't just go and buy success, and will have to work for it, which is a far more3 satisfying way of achieving things (IMO). My worst nightmare would Man City's owners, allowing us to buy whoever we want. That would just take the (last remaining) joy out of football.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see Jamie do a breakdown on the new owners. Having read both Soccernomics and Moneyball a couple of years ago I am delighted as the former mentions greatly how well NESV have managed Red Sox and the latter breaks down their revolutionary style of management.
ReplyDeleteIt's not their ability I'm shy on. It's their intentions.
However they have 17 investors (where they get their cash from), all sports fans. If they do have the best intentions at heart and learn to love this club they could be better than any sugar daddy ever would be.
We win our trophies, not buy them.
As for the whole SoS thing. I am Australian. I am a long time member of Share Liverpool. When they announced merging with SoS I sent an email to the latter announcing myself as an international fan and posing what I thought were relative questions. I was not impressed with the reply. Basically got a one line reply saying they could only look after their members. After digging more I found them to be far to xenophobic for my tastes. The whole "real fans who go to games" thing gets on my nerves. It costs me several thousand dollars to go to a single game. Do I slave my bum off and save for it? Yes. For someone to insinuate I'm not a "real fan" considering my one game costs more than they spend in a year for the club is frankly insulting.
Jamie. Why don't you throw your weight behind a supporter group that suits your measure rather than nit picking others? Or maybe find like minded people and start one?
<span>I would love to see Jamie do a breakdown on the new owners. Having read both Soccernomics and Moneyball a couple of years ago I am delighted as the former mentions greatly how well NESV have managed Red Sox and the latter breaks down their revolutionary style of management.
ReplyDeleteIt's not their ability I'm shy on. It's their intentions.
However they have 17 investors (where they get their cash from), all sports fans. If they do have the best intentions at heart and learn to love this club they could be better than any sugar daddy ever would be.
We win our trophies, not buy them.
As for the whole SoS thing. I am Australian. I am a long time member of Share Liverpool. When they announced merging with SoS I sent an email to the latter announcing myself as an international fan and posing what I thought were relative questions. I was not impressed with the reply. Basically got a one line reply saying they could only look after their members. After digging more I found them to be far to xenophobic for my tastes. The whole "real fans who go to games" thing gets on my nerves. It costs me several thousand dollars to go to a single game. Do I slave my bum off and save for it? Yes. For someone to insinuate I'm not a "real fan" considering my one game costs more than they spend in a year for the club is frankly insulting.
Jamie. Why don't you throw your weight behind a supporter group that suits your measure rather than nit picking others? Or maybe find like minded people and start one?<span>
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Sounds like a personal agenda you have with SOS
ReplyDeleteI can assure you that I do not get my facts from SOS! And i am offended at your arrogance!
ReplyDeleteI am a true LFC fan and have been for over 30 years! I am part of a legal team that has looked into and conducted due dilligence on buying LFC ! Indeed, the group I represent offered over 500 million for the club some time ago!
I am not saying what kind of owner I prefer. Just simply stating their are others out there with more financial stability than Henry. I am not disappointed by Henrys approach but I am sceptical until I see and understand what thier intentions are.
The chairman IS on a retainer. That is a fact! I can also add that as someone in the industry who has had dealings with Broughton, Purslow and Henry for that matter I would like to think that I am better placed than you to judge!
I guess you agreed with the EPLs homework on G+H also!??
My fellow LFC fan...when it comes to brains I am quite sure that mine would surpass most...and yours for sure!
Please engage in proper arguement and not personal attacks on intellegence. I will respect your opinion and all I ask is you respect mine.
How can one stop and owner 'buying' success? It is not the fault of the wealthy owner that he has extreme wealth and wants to make his asset more successful!
ReplyDeleteThere are going to be more financial rules and that is right but there are so many ways round all these regulations.
I do not trust the EPLs judgement....how can any LFC fan after G+H??
I respect Henry, Broughton, Ayre and Purslow even if I do not agree with them sometimes. I understand why they didnt keep anybody in the 'loop' as you put it and that was completely right!
However, now they have announced the sale there are many unanswered questions which need addressing before any sale is ratified. One bitten twice shy!
Very unusual for you to be wrong Jamie.....HA.
ReplyDeleteIf they are IGNORING SOS/ShareLiverpool, how come a position at the club has been mooted for Rogan Taylor?
As my old teacher used to say...."Must do better son!!"
SOS do not represent the majority of Liverpool FC Supporters = The represent the Thugish MINORITY. They bring shame to out great club!!!
ReplyDeleteBurning Flags??? GET A LIFE!!!!
I also want these 2 clowns to leave my beloved club, but not by the methods they choose to portray.
I'm with you on this one Jaimie
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ReplyDeleteJamie, can you please provide evidence that the individuals that burned American flags were in fact SOS members? Can you prove this? I wouldn't want you to be making statemets based on supposition.
ReplyDeleteTrying to make out that all SOS members are thugs or a mob or whatever is no better than people saying all OOT fans are not true fans etc. If you were being fair and objective then you would realise that the fact that these poeple belong to SOS has nothing to do with how they behave and vice versa. Ignoring all of the good they have done because you don't like certain aspects is also wrong and presents an unbalanced view- it would be far more productive to try and provide some feeedback at the AGM. Rather than wanting another group to form how about suggesting some changes that could make the current version more like your vision of how a fans group should be?
I can assure you that you read about Broughton getting a bonus from a media snippet...
ReplyDeleteThe fact that you can say that you have more brains than most of our fans and mine is being pathetic. Look everyone Einstein has returned from the dead.
It is not my job to validate ownership and if you look at the new EPL rules, H&G would have a much tougher task of buying LFC back then should the new rules have been in place.
Please can you quote were I personally attacked you on your intellegence besides calling you Einstein? Claiming that you have more brains than most LFC fans makes you look like a complete and utter fool...Einstein.
Bravo.
ReplyDeleteStumbled upon this site and I have to agree.
SoS absolutely do not represent me as a fan. They are a cancer on our club- and perhaps more dangerous than G&H.
I can't help but believe having an organised union of miscreants burning flags, laughing at the Munich disaster, trying to physically prevent the owners attending the stadium, etc, etc,etc; how can that do anything other than devalue the club in the eyes of any potential investor?
There is certainly a case to be made that SoS is harming our pursuit to remove the owners.
Their attack against Purslow is ludicrous. Purslow and Ayre have done wonders for our club in terms of finding financing; their stance against H&G to sell the club is also admirable.
I fear SoS may cross the line one of these days and add a third flame to our beloved crest.
I can't help but believe having an organised union of miscreants burning flags, laughing at the Munich disaster, trying to physically prevent the owners attending the stadium, etc, etc,etc; how can that do anything other than devalue the club in the eyes of any potential investor?You're using an example of SOME people's behaviour to describe the whole membership. SOME people sang about Munich at an SOS organised event- NOT everyone. You cannot reasonably then use this as a stick to beat the entire membership with. I'd also refer you to my previous comment- do you know for a fact that the person(s) the burned flags are/were SOS members?I fear SoS may cross the line one of these days and add a third flame to our beloved crest.
ReplyDeleteDon't even know where to start with this one. You do know what the two flames on the crest represent? To suggest that the potential future bad behaviour of fans might lead to "a third flame" is stupid beyond belief.
I'd also love to know how you think SOS are potentially more dangerous than H&G? Please explain the "danger" that a supporters union that has the best interests of the club at heart (regardless if your opinion on how they go about their business no one could dispute this) could potentially put the club in...
THE LADS OF SOS WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP TO HICKS AND GILLETT!
ReplyDeleteTHEY WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY PUT HICKS AND GILLETT UNDER PRESSURE, MOBILISED FANS WORLD WIDE IN AN ORGANISED MANNER, HAVE GIVEN THE FANS THE 1 VOICE WHICH WAS SO DESPERATELY NEEDED, THEY HAVE ALWAYS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE AUTHORITIES, AND APART FROM THE FLAG BURNING HAVE ALWAYS KEPT EVERYTHING LEGAL.
IF IT WASNT FOR SOS WE MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN SOLD THE CLUB AND STILL HAVE HICKS AND GILLETT!! U HAVE TO THANK THOSE BRAVE AND HARD WORKING MEN AND SUPPORT THEM!, BECAUSE IN THE END THEY WORK FOR ALL THE LIVERPOOL FANS LIKE YOURSELF, AND EVEN DRIVE ON THE REGENERATION OF THE ANFIELD/BREKFIELD AREA!
IN FACT THE FLAG BURNING WASNT EVEN ORGANISED BY SOS, IT WAS A SPONTANIOUS AND VERY ANGRY MOB THAT DAY WHEN RAFA GOT SACKED.
ReplyDelete"The Militant Few"? You sound like a load of rednecks with too much time on your hands
ReplyDeleteFunny how Mr Henry is following SOS on twitter then, Jaime, isn't it. Yet more anti-liverpool fan lies from you. Who would have thought it? Will you dissapear back into your hole when Hicks stops paying you to be Liverpools nemesis?
ReplyDeleteAny chance of an update? I suspect it might start yes but, no but......
ReplyDeleteHOW DID YOUR MEETING GO WITH THE NEW OWNERS JAMIE.
ReplyDeleteTHE SOS LADS HAD A VERY CORDIAL MEETING WITH THEM YESTERDAY. IT WAS NICE OF THE NEW OWNERS TO INVITE THEM.
DID YOUR INVITE GET LOST IN THE POST.????
WHY DIDNT YOU GET AN INVITE. SOS WERE INVITED TO A CORDIAL MEETING BY THE NEW OWNERS. THEY EVEN THANKED THE SOS.
ReplyDeleteWHY DIDNT YOU GET AN INVITE JAMMIE.
Why not? Least there was a bit of passion shown in this statement. Much rather SOS represents our club than you, jaimie.
ReplyDeleteNo acknowledgement from Jaimie Kanwar that he got this story completely wrong....??! Never saw that coming!!
ReplyDeletejust wondering what you think now that the owners have actually met with SOS?
ReplyDeleteThe new owners have been the best thing possible for this club!! We need to get behind them now.
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I think we need to get behind the owners, they were ready to pump big money into the club in Jan, just a shame that the Torres deal ruined things.
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