6 Oct 2010

BRAVO! How dim-witted Liverpool fans played right into the hands of Hicks +Gillett

The tragic irony of Liverpool fans’ shameful, unwarranted character assassination of Christian Purslow has become clear tonight with news that Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are trying to oust him from the board in order to facilitate their refinancing plan.

As I have tried to explain countless times in the past, the self-evident truth is that Purslow has always had the best interests of Liverpool FC at heart. As well as working tirelessly to improve the club’s commercial performance, he has been part of a small team (including Martin Broughton and Ian Ayres) that have blocked Hicks’ refinancing plan at every turn. Purslow has been – and IS – a force of good for the club.

Despite this, Liverpool fans have basically aligned themselves with Hicks in that they tried to force Purslow out, completely ignorant of the fact that they would be losing the one person who can stop Hicks continuing his unwanted association with the club!

The smear campaign against Purslow (led by staggeringly misinformed members of certain LFC websites, and LFC fans in the print media) has been utterly shameful, and has been based on NOTHING but hearsay, innuendo and bare-faced lies. Of course, the Pro-Benitez Cult were only to happy too lap up the lies – they made Purslow persona non grata for having a hand in Benitez’s sacking, so this was a prime way to get back at him.

The hysterical irony of all this is that if Purslow is kicked out of the club LIKE SO MANY FANS HAVE SCREAMED FOR, then the last remaining barrier to Hicks’ refinancing plan will be gone (!), and we will be stuck with the owners for at least another two years.

So - to all the unthinking Liverpool fans who just lapped up the spurious lies spread by half-wits on sites like RAWK and Empire of the Kop, and consequently jumped on the bandwagon and called for Purslow’s head: BRAVO! You've been brainlessly calling for something that could ultimately cement Hicks' position at the club.

I have always supported Purslow, and I’ve been criticized for it, despite the fact that it is plainly obvious to any fair-minded fan that he has always been good for the club. It has also been painfully obvious that he has been a major barrier to Hicks getting what he wants.

Why couldn’t fans see that? It was regularly reported that Purslow, Broughton and Ayres were vetoing Hicks’ plans on the board, yet this was *still* not enough to overcome the powerful groupthink situation amongst fans.

The final irony is that if Purslow gets the boot, and Hicks installs his yes-men on the board (and then refinances), the same fans that were calling for Purslow’s head will be crying into their beer, wondering where it all went wrong.

Obviously, the irony will be totally lost on them.

The amusing reality is that, right now, all the fans who were complicit in the Purslow smear campaign are probably praying that Hicks fails in his attempt to remove him from the board.

You really couldn't make it up.

NB. Empire of the Kop had a poll up earlier today, which posed the question: "Do you trust Purslow". They also posted an article a couple of days ago titled 'Are Purslow and Broughton delaying the sale of the club', which basically suggested that P +B were untrustworthy liars only in it for themselves. (I highlighted and challenged this article).

Well, both the poll and the article have now vanished from their site, and after MONTHS of being one of the ringleaders in the Purslow witch-hunt, the guy who runs EOTK has *completely* changed his stance. Funny that, eh?

Just watch: Other Liverpool sites will follow suit; all evidence of attacking Purslow will be deleted, and opinions will be changed at the speed of light.

None of that changes the fact that this site is the only Liverpool site that has always retained support for Purslow, and has never contemplated joining the idiotic campaign to force him out of the club.

It's simple: whether people like this site or not, if you want the truth, this is the place to come, and that has been proven time and time again.


Jaimie Kanwar


106 comments:

  1. Too true.  But didn't the two owners sign over their veto powers back in April in exchange for a final refinancing deal?  So how much power do they really have?  It really seems the end is nigh for those two fools.  

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  2. Yep well said Jaimie. Alot of these so called experts are most likely lager drinking louts who have no real sense in how big businesses are run. At the end of the day, who else has the power to sack the team manager? And for that matter anyone else? Its always someone above you. 

    On another note. Of course H&G are desperate to not allow a sale which will effectively mean their retirement will have to be found else where. As an icon of British history, LFC must be not allowed to be refinanced or allow these 2 in power any more. RBS have a duty now to make sure they call in the loan and force out H&G. I cannot stress what kind of implications it would have on the people and the area of Liverpool should LFC cease to exist. People forget LFC brings business to the local areas not to mention its a valued employer to a number of people. If the government and the bank had any decency themselves, they would force H&G out period. If LFC fails then it is purely down to RBS and the government. I would immediately call for the boycott of RBS and would urge all to close their accounts. We'll see how it feels on the other foot. 

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  3. Ayres and Purslow have also vastly improved the income of the club since they took over. The hapless Rick Parry, I am convinced, was a plant from Old Trafford. Purslow is no fool and probably knows to ignore the vitriol that came his way from ignorant 'fans'.

    The pro Benitez fans were and still are an idiotic and weird bunch with their attacks of anyone who felt Benitez was a false prophet. Roy Hodgson was a very bad appointment, no doubt, but sacking Benitez was the correct decision.

    Let's hope Purslow can get the Yanks out and Woy soon after!

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  4. <span>For once Jaimie I completely agree.  This is Anfield also have a forum article talking about the same thing. It seems as though RAWK have this imbecilic view of Purslow and Broughton. <span> </span>Broughton because he is a Chelsea fan and Purslow because he would not agree to minutes at a SOS meeting that slagged off the owners. <span> </span>Of course, he did not agree to release them, nobody would want to put on record that the owners and consequently his boss, should not be there. <span> </span></span>

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  5. I couldnt agree more about Parry. I never liked him from day one, but that has been the case at LFC for 20 years. Only now things look better on the commercial side of things, it's just a shame its all eaten by H&G bank loans and their expensive private jets. 

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  6. For once Jaimie I completely agree.  This is Anfield also have a forum article talking about the same thing. It seems as though RAWK have this imbecilic view of Purslow and Broughton.  Broughton because he is a Chelsea fan and Purslow because he would not agree to minutes at a SOS meeting that slagged off the owners.  Of course, he did not agree to release them, nobody would want to put on record that the owners and consequently his boss, should not be there.

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  7. Exactly.  It's playground stuff. Sites like TIA, RAWK and Empire of the Kop are the real problem - tens of thousands of fans just read what they say and instantly believe it without thinking, which is how this situation with Purslow and Broughton has escalted.

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  8. I think this is possibly the most sensible article I've ever seen on here, Jamie.  The accusations levelled at Purslow are ridiculous & without him, Ayre, & Broughton fighting their corner on the Board we'd be sunk.  Right now they're pretty much our only hope of stopping the yanks getting finance from an alternative source.

    I was never sure how painting Purslow's name on a 20ft member was ever going to help the club - I just hope that whoever was responsible realises what a valuable asset he's going to be in resisting H&G... 

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  9. WELL SAID  ...........................................................

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  10. People should be judge on what they've done and not speculation. IF the board said yes to the refinance then i would understand the comments made as they would be just.

    I have mentioned this previously and i will state again, Martin has a duty in his position to act professionally and within the best interests of the club and not personally. One it would open up a legal issue against him not to mention his reputation would be tarnished. He also is on the board at British Airways. Not exactly a small business. 

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  11. Jamie the reason the fans don't like Purslow is the way he treated RAFA, just wrong in so many ways, we can argue about tranfers, money and man-mangement but was and is a great manager who had the club in his heart and for that he will always be regarded well by the FANS and not by the papers nor yourself.  When the time comes for the Yanks to go maybe u and Woy can also leave

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  12. While I personally would not advocate the removal of Purslow, I do feel he developed a personal problem with Benitez which is not the way an MD should act. Removing Benitez from his position was 50/50 in my view, I would have been happy for him to stay one more season, although I doubt he could have done much better than seventh place again in the current climate. I can also see the other side of the coin in that it was best for both parties that Benitez moved on.

    Getting back to your comments about dim-witted Liverpool fans, if you actually look back on part of the quote you carried in an earlier article, the last line stated "So Hicks & Gillett out but Broughton & Purslow to follow them ASAP". They were not suggesting that Purslow should be removed from the board while Hicks & Gillett remained, so they would hardly have been playing into their hands.
    I think he should stay in the short-term assuming a sale goes through, but I can understand that some fans may want a clean slate with a completely new board in place, in order to draw a line under the American regime.

    I do expect the board to get their way and the club will be sold, there was an air of desperation in a quote from Hicks that I read earlier where he suggested the bids undervalued the club and that they intended to resist a sale. If he was comfortable with his position he would have been more unoquivocal than to use the word 'resist', I would have expected something more like we will 'reject' any offer until it meets our valuation.

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  13. *sigh* How do you know how Purslow treated Benitez?!  Were you present at meetings between the two; did you observe their interaction?  It's nmot fans who don't like Purslow, it's the tedious Pro-Benitex Cult, of which you are clearly a part.  I bet you still will now acknowledge that Benitez had to go, and he'd taken the club as far as he could.

    And it was not Purslow who sacked Benitez; it was the BOARD BY MAJORITY DECISION.

    Thus, your whole view of the man is flawed.

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  14. This is an extremly worrying time i cant even sleep.
    How can these people get away with what they are doing to our great club?

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  15. I undertand what you're saying, John, but to be brutally honest, Hicks and Gillett have not objectively done anything wrong, or acted improperly. They are businessmess; they are acting like businessmen.  Liverpool is a business, whether we like it or not.  Fans have a connection to the club, therefore everything seems horrible.  Hicks and Gillett do not, and they are entitled to do what they like with what they own, and millions of other businessment across the globe regularly do the same.

    That doesn't mean I condone it (!), it's just the reality.

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  16. This rings true for me also. Purslow has always just been doing his job, caught between a rock and a hard place, there was little he could do right and not earn the ire of fans but I don't think he handled Benitez well and in the end shipped the guy out because ... well, we still don't really know why. It wasn't for ambition to have a better manager, it seemed simply a move to reduce friction.
    For all that Rafa complained and acted strangely with the media, could the MD not deal with it? For me it was part of his job, to talk to Rafa and keep him happy while at the same time keeping Rafa under control. He seemed to fail on both counts and I think it's reasonable that many fans express their disappointment towards Purslow for the final outcome. We've lost a very capable manager who loved the club very much and while we all know your view on Benitez I would hope that you could at least understand why some fans see losing him as very significant.
    Purslow has done very well with the business aspects of the club considering what was facing him but in footballing terms I don't see that we can be happy. His solution to our problems last season has left us in a very difficult position and as MD I think that's certainly something he must take some responsibility for. That we now find out that he will not allow Hicks to place the club in further financial difficulty is commendable but only to a point. Nothing in LFC's statement shows an MD doing anything other than his job. We should appreciate him for that but when time comes to have someone run our club under new owners I think it's quite fair to suggest we can do better. 

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  17. Jamie, im dissapointed that you are resorting to jabs at insignificant little people. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against buffons who have no real idea about what is going on behind the scences. Stop playing their silly little games and just continue writing well researched and intelligently written articles. We, the readers, and more so the ones who have the ability to think for themselves don't need you to reiterate the extent of their niavety. We can see that. Just keep on doing what you are doing and they will realise what buffons they have made of themselves. You do not need to be the one to point that out. We can see it. We have been seeing it for a while now. Im sure they had the right intentions, but its unfortunate that they lack the intelligence to carry it through with any real carity or purpose. Mob mentality i think describes it best.  So don't fall into that pit because the way i see it it is beneath you, and beneath all of the fans that weren't taken in by their naive mentalaties.
    On a different subject, how does this effect the possible sale of the club, and exactly what legal grounds, if any, do H&G have of distabilising the board and stopping the sale. I thought that they had no say in the matter. That is why Broughton and Purslow were brought in, or am i mistaken?

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  18. You deleted my post...why???

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  19. In fairness most of the people on TIA are with you on this one ;)

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  20. We live in a country that allows free speech, if people want to read those sites that is upto them. I'm not a member of any of the sites you mention, I've read some of them before and they quite often have valid points posted on them.

    I think the majority of the country are uneducated morons, so I have sympathy with you in that the majority are quite often wrong. However, I think you are quite often picking fights for the sake of it, at this time we as Liverpool fans should be sticking together rather than sniping at eachother. I don't condone everything that SOS do, but I support them in their pursuit of removing the owners from their positions.

    I just think at this moment in time we should be avoiding confrontation with fellow fans until Hicks & Gillett are gone.

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  21. Jaime, i dont know much about what purslow did. But i do know those who believe in purslow being a cunt wanted him GO after changed of owner.

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  22. Jaime why did you delete my post? Did i say anything offensive? I just stated those who want purslow go AFTER changed of owner, is it wrong?

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  23. I completely agree. Purslow has been made a target by unthinking fans who do not see that the rot in the club stems from the ownership issue not so much who is the manager. I personally feel the real villain is Parry, who has taken the club from an undisputed position many years ago when we were streets ahead of every other club including Man United, to where we are going around with a begging bowl and are hovering in the relegation zone (!). His final act of betrayal was to sell the club to H&G for a fat paycheck. 

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  24. I do believe most fans support Purslow not completely but support him none the less, i did support Benitez myself and found his undoing was lack of support from the owners.
    The sale of the club though i believe is imminent but i believe it will be by the bank, i would not be surprised if the 2 bidders recently announced is no more than a stalling tactic.

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  25. alangky (Singapore)4:15 am, October 06, 2010

    Call it "Old School" or whatever. Who can forget the 2 "traitors" who were the cause of this from the start - Moores & Parry. They should be banned for life from Liverpool City for placing Liverpool's top icon into this gigantic mess. Just imagine how LFC could have been if it had been sold to someone else other than H&G. We might have added at least one more title to the trophy room.

    Down with the YANKS!!! 

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  26. I completely agree that all this anti-Purslow vitriol is not helpful and based on the misguided idea that Benitez's sacking was due to this man alone. A very big factor was the desire of H&G to remove Benitez for repeatedly openly criticizing them for broken promises and lies about transfer funds. The latest statement by the Board is a clear sign that Purslow is NOT in the corner of H&G and is in fact fighting to save the club.







    I would lay the biggest blame at the feet of Rick Parry, who took the club from a pre-eminent position many years ago, where we were streets ahead of even Man United, to where we have fallen so far behind commercially and are reduced to chasing the coattails of other clubs. His final act of betrayal was to sell the club to H&G for a fat paycheck.

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  27. Do you find it concerning as a supporter that managing director Christian Purslow continues to lie about where the money from transfer sales is going?

    Do you find it concerning that Broughton/BarCap have continued to look for refinancing solutions despite them telling us all summer long the club will definitely be sold?

    What do you make of the fact that Broughton was appointed as chairman of LFC on the recommendation of the owners good friend Michael Klein?

    What do you make of Klein's involvement with Hicks Acquisition Company II?

    What do you as supporters make of previous links between managing director Christian Purslow's equity firm MidOcean and Hicks original acquisition company?

    Links to go with what is said above

    http://www.allbusiness.com/banking-finance/financial-markets-investing-securities/14743651-1.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/aug/25/liverpool-michael-klein-hicks-gillett

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  28. I think the "playground stuff" you refer to is also evident on your blog. Na na I told you so, is hardly mature and rather too self righteous.

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  29. If it is true that the red sox owners are one of the bidders, are we sure that we want another american in charge, god forbid hicks mark 2

    ynwa

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  30. Purslow is definitely acting in the club's interest on the sale issue and should receive our support in this respect. That said once the sale goes through he needs to move on, with our thanks, because he's not a footballing man- he appointed Roy Hodgson as our manager.

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  31. Lets not get racist about this. I don't mind if the owners are American. I would perfectly happily have Randy Lerner in charge. At least he has been honest in his dealings with Aston Villa. What we don't want is Gillett and especially Hicks who just don't know what they're doing and are just out for a quick buck. Obviously any owner that comes in will be wanting to make a profit but some of them will behave with respect for the club's traditions and fans and will have a long term vision. The fans need to be told the truth- above anything else that is what is wrong with Hicks- he is a man of no principals or integrity. He's also by the looks of it a pretty poor businessman.

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  32. Another lame "I TOLD YOU SO" article....sigh....
    Onr more thing Jaimie, I noticed that you've been trying to avoid writing about the new signings by Roy but still kept on writing about the likes of Johnson and Kuyt. Clear evidence of how selective you are and against the themes of your blog.....sad indeed

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  33. Great post, summarizing my reactions to last night's club annoucement.

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  34. Note also the removal of the "Jovanovic- shut up or get out!" article now that it's been conclusively proven that it was fabricated and the source was the S*n, a fact which Mr Kanwar strenuously denied on several occasions.

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  35. Well, it's clear that the grown-up and mature response would be to write an article reiterating the facts of the matter and just dismissing those ill-informed knee-jerkers (every club has them by the way) who work themselves up into a frenzy because things aren't going their way.

    Jaimie- presumably you want people to abuse you if you continue to write childish and insulting pieces like these? I'm not sure what response you are seeking if not.

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  36. A good article.  I have long held that the current (english) board of directors have the club's best interest at heart.  And this has now been demonstrated under the public gaze.

    Best of luck Mr Purslow et al... the true fans are right behind you.

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  37. Jamie I read your posts often but have never felt the need to post a reply. I disagree completely with your feelings over Rafa, you can quote bad signings to me but the truth is every manager makes bad signings. Rafa's cards were numbered within months of hicks and gillett coming in, he found out first hand what Hicks and Gillett were about and ousted them straight away, hence the whole klinsman affair. In any job in any walk of life if your owners do not share the same vision you are never going to achieve it. 2 European cup finals in 2 years is an astonishing achievement, is it coincidence that it happened before they took full control, you could argue for the second cup final they were in control but that was only the later stage. Anyways back onto the above post yes purslows treatment has been terrible, I attended a spirit of shankly meeting and they slagged him off no end and made a comment about him being from Birkenhead, at which point I walked out.

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  38. Jamie I read your posts often but have never felt the need to post a reply. I disagree completely with your feelings over Rafa, you can quote bad signings to me but the truth is every manager makes bad signings. Rafa's cards were numbered within months of hicks and gillett coming in, he found out first hand what Hicks and Gillett were about and ousted them straight away, hence the whole klinsman affair. In any job in any walk of life if your owners do not share the same vision you are never going to achieve it. 2 European cup finals in 2 years is an astonishing achievement, is it coincidence that it happened before they took full control, you could argue for the second cup final they were in control but that was only the later stage. Anyways back onto the above post yes purslows treatment has been terrible, I attended a spirit of shankly meeting and they slagged him off no end and made a comment about him being from Birkenhead, at which point I walked out.

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  39. Jamie I read your posts often but have never felt the need to post a reply. I disagree completely with your feelings over Rafa, you can quote bad signings to me but the truth is every manager makes bad signings. Rafa's cards were numbered within months of hicks and gillett coming in, he found out first hand what Hicks and Gillett were about and ousted them straight away, hence the whole klinsman affair. In any job in any walk of life if your owners do not share the same vision you are never going to achieve it. 2 European cup finals in 2 years is an astonishing achievement, is it coincidence that it happened before they took full control, you could argue for the second cup final they were in control but that was only the later stage. Anyways back onto the above post yes purslows treatment has been terrible, I attended a spirit of shankly meeting and they slagged him off no end and made a comment about him being from Birkenhead, at which point I walked out.

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  40. ummm who would you rather have as your manager? mourinho??? as if you guys can afford him. and as if a club as big as liverpool would let ONE MAN make the decision of who the manager should be. it was a group decision, stop making one man the scape goat, it is far too convenient.

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  41. Here here

    SoS and the other fools who slagged off Purslow owe him a massive apology and debt of gratitude

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  42. Jaime, apparently i think we have new owners in NESV. Maybe you could write about whether new fund provided by the new owner during jan or next summer should be given to Roy Hodgson. I would like to hear your thoughts about it

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  43. or we should get a new manager utilising the fund

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  44. Those fools like SOS are the reason the club is moving forward. Kanwar would still be trying say there is no debt worth worrying about. Bravo SOS!!!!!!

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  45. Dim witted Liverpool fans... I'm starting to wonder how your website is any different from the vitrol and anger displayed on other websites. Anyway everybody has an opinion on LFC and nobody is a 100 percent right on everything.

    You argue that the irony of fans wanting to get rid of Purselowe who is the only director blocking the refinancing of the club. I don't think this is true at all. I work for a investment bank in the city and as part of my job i've met with directors including the Chairman of some of the biggest companies in the FTSE 100 including WPP and BP.

    In fact it is unusual for the independent directors on a board to be able to outvote the controlling equity owners (H&G).RBS as the debt holders of H&G have been able to essentially ensure that they controlled the board via the appointment of an independent CH broughton who was mandated to sell the club not refinance it. Therefore even if Purselowe had left the club of his own volition this would not have meant that H&G would be free to push through their refinancing. RBS would not have tolerated a situation in which the board would be deadlocked with two independent directors to H&G. In this situation RBS would have insisted on the appointment of an additional independent director to ensure that the board was not deadlocked and that H&G could not stall a sale that did not meet their requirements.

    So I feel this article is a little bit redundant. LFC supporters never had the power to remove purslowe and it remains to be seen (pending legal actions) whether H&G still have that power...

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  46. I tend to agree with you on this whole Purslow issue but Jaimie you are the master of the edit button yourself, so lets not to so much pot calling.

    Anyway if the news coming out of Anfield is true, we might finally be rid of these clowns. It is very rare that i would say i hate someone based on their "famous" persona but i believe that i do indeed hate H+G. People can make mistakes but the continuous lies and the ruining of this great club (not that i believe we are heading for distruction). I will be glad when they are gone, but is this new yank the right man? WOuldn't if have been better to get a Sheikh in?

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  47. Well, well well. Is that all you have to say Jamie. I remember reading on this forum how good Hicks & Gillette were for our great club. I would have thought you might have commented on the news that they are still trying to break our club? Instead we get this tabloid headline. Typical 

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  48. The IRWT brigade can go and hang there heads in shame now!!!

    The only thing I was worried about was those idiots (the ones who call themselves fans) who ran this clubs name into the ground. Thankfully we didn't have a repeat of Newcastle were the "idiotic" fans should be blamed for their club going into the championship.

    LFC will be back and all these idiots mostly the IRWT brigade are looking like the fools now.
    Jaimie, you once again have proved THEM wrong...  :-D

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  49. fair play Jamie i have followed your comments on the liverpool board and the clubs debt and as i see it you have been spot on. keep up the the blogging
    hop the good days return P.s i dont always agree with you but your arguments are fair. some of our fans are as bad as the blinkered owners

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  50. Looks like the idiots who unfurled the banner of Purslow's name on a prick are the real dickheads. Hopefully they have the decency to unfurl another with an apology to Purslow and Broughton. More often than not, SOS and EOTK stoke fires of hatred and divided the fans which is actually a sad state of affairs. Just because Broughton is a Chelsea fan and Purslow is not a football man doesn't mean they don't have the club's interests at heart. I was saddened to see the behaviour and reactions of a certain group of fans who think they know all but in actual fact know nothing. It is even more unfortunate that there are those who follow blindly all the lies and misinformation fed to them, lies borned out of prejudice and hate. I await to see if any of these hate-mongers have the guts to apologise. I want Hicks and Gillet out of door as much as any supporter of the club BUT to target Purslow was uncalled for. A certain Antoine seemed rather quiet suddenly. If the sale of the club does actually go through, I hope fans will sing loudly their gratitude to the three board members who opposed H & G, namely Broughton, Purslow and Ayre.

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  51. Here we go with the whole brigade thing, are you in the IRWT bridage if you disagree with the ROI (Rafa out idiots)?

    Just coz you wanted Rafa to stay doesn't mean you wanted Purslow out, maybe instead of tarnishing everyon who does not agree with you, with the same brush you are more specific with your drivel?

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  52. Yeah, a multitude of head in the sand articles about how Hicks wasn't bad for LFC has shown everyone that he was right all along. You do remember all the blogs don't you, now he seems to have finally realised but won't backtrack. Learn to think for yourself.

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  53. Yeah, a multitude of head in the sand articles about how Hicks wasn't bad for LFC has shown everyone that he was right all along. You do remember all the blogs don't you, now he seems to have finally realised but won't backtrack. Learn to think for yourself.

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  54. So the crux of this article is that people are stupid for aligning themselves with hicks after you have spent over a year..... Aligning yourself with hicks. Very good.

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  55. It's absolutely pointless trying to discuss things with people who think like you.  Your simplistic interpretation means that you just don't get it.  I did not align myself with hicks at all - I did what no one else was doing, and that is consider the owners *failry*, without all the lies, minsinformation and exaggeration influencing my view, which was stock-in trade for people like you.

    You just don't get it - you have an idea in your head and you don't have the presence of mind to see things clearly.

    As I said, utterly pointless.

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  56. Jaimie, I agree with your article. Purslow has been a lifelong RED, and he has been a force for good since he joined the board. I hope he stays on even after the club is sold, as he will help the club move in the right direction.
    With regards to the announcement of the proposed sale, its still not finalised - as its pending legal review etc. However, I do get the sense that this was a VERY rushed acceptance, simply to avoid the banks calling in their loans and to avoid LFC being penalised by the FA. I hope that as part of the sales contract, a clause would've been inserted about building a new stadium and the investor's intentions. Something binding so that if a new stadium is not built they will be in breach of contract. Anyway, I'm hoping that things turn around for the better ON and OFF the pitch as its soul destroying to watch the club's name being dragged through the media.
    Even here in South Africa, there are various local radio stations, talk shows and tv channels talking about LFC's poor league position and the ownership struggle. Everyone's wandering how a great institution like LFC has been mismanaged to struggle as it it currently. All true supporters can continue doing is support the current team and try and focus on football matters and holding the club's name beyond reproach by representing LFC with dignity, honour and pride.

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  57. Okay - post ONE article I've written where I generally stated that Hicks was good for LFC.  And if you find one, post the text where I state that as a blanket statement.

    Why don't you get your facts right before posting this drivel?  Try and grasp this distinction:

    1. Hicks might be bad OVERALL for the club,

    but

    2. That doesn't mean that he and Gillett have not achieved some good things along the way.

    I acknoeldged the bad but ALSO acknowledged the good, which is the fair way to do it.

    The simpleton approach of people like you is: 'we hate Hicks! let's make him out to be the devil. if that means lying and exaggerating the truth, let's do it!'

    That's the easy way to do it - I prefer to do it the right way.

    And whether you or anyone else accepts it or not, good things HEVE happened at the club under the tenure of H+G. And no amount of foaming at the mout in protestation will change that.

    This doesn't mean I'm a fan of Hicks; it means I prefer to look at both sides, not just the blinkered, unfair, playground approach of the tunne-visioned anti-Owner brigade.

    If you can't hack that, I couldn't care less.

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  58. It's absolutely pointless trying to discuss things with people who think like you.  Your simplistic interpretation means that you just don't get it.  I did not align myself with hicks at all - I did what no one else was doing, and that is consider the owners *failry*, without all the lies, minsinformation and exaggeration influencing my view, which was stock-in trade for people like you.  
     
    You have a narrow-minded idea in your head and seemingly don't have the presence of mind to see things clearly.
    There are always 2, 3 or 4 sides to every story; focusing on one side only to serve an agenda is not fair.  And let me guess what your next comment will be: 'But you were one-sided against Benitez!" That would be wrong too.  Again, people should check their facts before making baseless assertions like (which have repeatedly been made).  I may not have been a fan of Benitez's appointment, but I supprted him fully for the first 3 years of his reign; it was only in 2006-2007 that I started to see that it just wasn't going to work with him, which is why I criticised him.

    Anyway, As I said, utterly pointless.

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  59. You could just put your hand up and admit that you were wrong to defend Hicks and Gillett. It's unlikely anyone could think any less of you and your "swim against the tide at all costs" approach to everything. You really are like a sulky teenager who just has to be different. It's quite, quite pathetic.

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  60. What a sad person Mr Kanwar is. All of these tabloid headlines for attention - just have a look at them. Sensationalism. What a sad person. I really pity you. Thank god nobody reads this forum 

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  61. Hmmm - The fact that close to 2 million people have visited the site since it started - and left over 30,000 comments in the process - would seem to suggest that you're wrong about 'nobody' reading this forum.

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  62. Laughable and Pitiful.  I couldn't care less if Purslow rode down the BBreck Road toting a sack of cash for me, he'll never be thanked because he doesn't deserve it.

    His remit was to have the club sold in the summer.  He failed.  He tried to act "the lad" in a meeting with SOS then crapped himself when he realised that this "Fan Group" he had taken the time out to patronise were professional, had minutes, and intended to release them.

    But most of all, he went to the Media and briefed against Benitez for months.  Lots of talk about the Liverpool way in recent times.  Purslow wouldn't recognise it if it slapped him in the face.  Funny how his Hodgson appointment is coming home to roost.

    Purslows no more of a Red than the average belter from Bristol.

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  63. Laughable and Pitiful.  I couldn't care less if Purslow rode down the BBreck Road toting a sack of cash for me, he'll never be thanked because he doesn't deserve it.

    His remit was to have the club sold in the summer.  He failed.  He tried to act "the lad" in a meeting with SOS then crapped himself when he realised that this "Fan Group" he had taken the time out to patronise were professional, had minutes, and intended to release them.

    But most of all, he went to the Media and briefed against Benitez for months.  Lots of talk about the Liverpool way in recent times.  Purslow wouldn't recognise it if it slapped him in the face.  Funny how his Hodgson appointment is coming home to roost.

    Purslows no more of a Red than the average belter from Bristol.

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  64. You're a crank - Once Tom/George and Purslow are gone I hope you follow suit and disappear too!

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  65. Excellent article as always!
    I always come to this forum to get unbiased information about current status of LFC.
    I may not always agree with you on topics concerning individual players but your articles always hold a high standard. Keep it up!

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  66. They come to laugh though. Check your feedback for validation.

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  67. To be fair with jaime, even thou i never agree with him sometime, he did talk sense at times. Purslow may have "done" something wrong in the past (Some claimed) but without doubt Purslow is also one impt members for liverpool sale.

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  68. The Roy Hodgson Brigade6:10 pm, October 06, 2010

    Them idiots apologise, you have got to be kidding me? They are above all others and those who are against them have to get on all fours and eat the shit that drops out of their asses.

    They can all go to hell in fact they they arent even worthy of sucking on my dogs balls. To hell with them, they are a disgrace to this club. End of.

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  69. The Roy Hodgson Brigade6:30 pm, October 06, 2010

    Jody

    It has also been said that the new owners might look at renovating Anfield which is a great idea. There is no place like home.

    Last time I read that we wont be penalised by the FA should RBS take over because it is H&G who will go into admin and LFC will remain solvent. The FA has stated only to penalise those who become insolvent, so we shouldnt be to worried as H&G are as good as gone.

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  70. The Roy Hodgson Brigade6:32 pm, October 06, 2010

    Go look around the corner mate, Rafa is waiting for you with his bum up in the air :-D

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  71. The Roy Hodgson Brigade7:09 pm, October 06, 2010

    Hey longchalk, does that mean a long piece of chalk?

    I TOLD YOU SO...

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  72. The Roy Hodgson Brigade7:17 pm, October 06, 2010

    I think Purslow and the board treated Rafa very well, they gave him a big fat cheque and also paid for his flight to Italy as part of the deal. How could he say no to that? We can thank our lucky souls that Rafa wont be wasting anymore of our clubs money, the board should be thanked for what they have achieved!!!

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  73. Never been on this site before. It will now be must read. Superb analysis and fully agree with sentiments. I work in Leverage and feel CP has played a poor hand very well.

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  74. You would know given you permanently reside in Kanwar's rectum.

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  75. Please direct me to any article, anywhere, where you have stated Hicks 'may have been bad for the club'.

    You group everyone who disagrees with you into 'cults' etc. You have been in the HUHA cult (Head up Hick's a..e). You can't change your mind about his overall effect on the club now and then have the temerity to castigate others for changing their mind (which is the crux of this article).

    You wrote a whole article about how H+G didn't lie and that they 'misremembered' or something ludicrous. Today Broughton is on record saying they are challenging a document handing over the full sales process to him, signed by them. This is something they stated they were doing in April/May but when it comes to the crunch, they must have mis-remembered that also as are now legally challenging it. Ergo they had no intention of selling the club without massive profit and only signed this to appease their creditors. Still think they are truthful? What we have said all along is that they lie. You have written articles critizing us for saying that. They continue to lie and you continue to be oblivious.

    If it matters, which I am sure it won't, I don't see any point in debating with you either. You are one long contradiction. People are deleted for insinuating you aren't intelligent yet you bandy about terms like 'dim-witted' and 'idiots' to anyone that disagrees with you. You can't enter into true debate without deleting. You say you don't care what people think or say but your actions indicate differently or why delete?

    I suppose you will label this 'snide'. Like your article isn't...

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  76. Please direct me to any article, anywhere, where you have stated Hicks 'may have been bad for the club'.

    You group everyone who disagrees with you into 'cults' etc. You have been in the HUHA cult (Head up Hick's a..e). You can't change your mind about his overall effect on the club now and then have the temerity to castigate others for changing their mind (which is the crux of this article).

    You wrote a whole article about how H+G didn't lie and that they 'misremembered' or something ludicrous. Today Broughton is on record saying they are challenging a document handing over the full sales process to him, signed by them. This is something they stated they were doing in April/May but when it comes to the crunch, they must have mis-remembered that also as are now legally challenging it. Ergo they had no intention of selling the club without massive profit and only signed this to appease their creditors. Still think they are truthful? What we have said all along is that they lie. You have written articles critizing us for saying that. They continue to lie and you continue to be oblivious.

    If it matters, which I am sure it won't, I don't see any point in debating with you either. You are one long contradiction. People are deleted for insinuating you aren't intelligent yet you bandy about terms like 'dim-witted' and 'idiots' to anyone that disagrees with you. You can't enter into true debate without deleting. You say you don't care what people think or say but your actions indicate differently or why delete?

    I suppose you will label this 'snide'. Like your article isn't...

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  77. The days of picking apart the carcass of our great club for media headlines or self-serving divisive 'fan blogs' are coming to an end. We're not stupid and we're not sheep. Muddying the issue and then saying "see I was right, worship me" doesn't wash here.

    I disagreed with Rafa's sacking only because I felt he was not given a top club set up in which to achieve top club success. That was the owner's fault, always was. My point was that you would not find a manager as good who would take charge of Liverpool with those owners in charge. That appears to be the situation now. To sack him and bring in anyone willing to take the job (Hodgson, Erikksson and erm Curbishley) was what I would call BLIND FAITH. The argument that it was all Rafa's fault was silly in my opinion. However to say Rafa didn't make mistakes with the situation he had would be false. The issue was should Rafa be scapegoated for problems that emanated from board level. Kanwar, you said yes. I said no. However I agree that in light of the club's situation getting rid of Rafa was an understandable decision.

    Kanwar, you were arguing that the Americans were GOOD FOR THE CLUB. All of this I trust Purslow / I don't trust Purslow is bunk. He has now proven himself to be good for the club and I will always respect him for that. But I understand that as an appointee of the owners that YOU supported they would be some who were cautious about him. The confusion and misleading that the owners that YOU supported brought to the club made it hard for the average fan to trust anybody at board level.

    You can say 'I told you so' all you like. And you'll have your sycophants praising you for it. But the pragmatic amongst us know that the core issue over the last few years wasn't Rafa, wasn't Purslow, wasn't Dirk Kuyt, wasn't Glen Johnson, wasn't Torres' hamstring, wasn't Glen Johnson, wasn't Spirit Of Shankly. It was the owners. The lying, money grabbing owners who even now, cannot do the decent thing by the club. The owners who granted, enabled us to run like a halfway competent business, yet swallowed up all those profits via debt repayments that they promised us would not happen. They were the problem, the seed of all disputes at Liverpool (ask Carra, ask Gerrard, ask Torres, ask Purslow, ask Broughton.

    YOU supported them. YOU backed their lies. YOU misdirected their failings to whoever could pick up the slack. It's time to stop this divisive blogging. This picking at the seams of bloggers' opinions. The eagerness to turn on your own because of atmosphere that the owners that YOU supported have created. Hopefully these guys will be stability and quiet to the club so we can get back to genial discussion of on field matters rather than squabbling amongst family to sate egos or paranoid theories emanating from a culture of distrust and lies created by the owners that YOU supported.

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  78. So you considered the owners 'fairly' using all your self proclaimed skills of evaluation and decided that, actually, they weren't that bad for the club. After all, it is now 'normal business practice' that clubs are bought in a debt structure or LBO (a claim you bandied about wildly but will never be able to qualify as there is only Utd and us).
    Anyone who disagreed with you was dismissed as part of some wild eyed cult who were clearly stupid. After all i don't have the presence of mind do I? You wrote countless articles with a positive spin when everyone, everyone could see they were in no way beneficial to us.
    And now you are trying to backtrack because, finally, realisation has dawned on you that you were duped. A couple of personal emails and you bought it.
    But, hey, forget all that. Write an article blaming everyone else ,shift the blame and pretend you are a beacon of truth.
    I will concede you one thing though, it is pointless debating with you.

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  79. In one Desy.

    I can't wait to just talk about dodgy bloodly left backs again, not LBO's and exit strategies.

    Burnt before but am cautiously optimistic now. Someone said after our Blackpool defeat (well stole it from Dark Knight) 'the night is at it's darkest before the dawn'.

    Lets hope Blackpool was out low water mark and that we can do something which we all will agree on, smash the blues.

    *Doffs cap.

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  80. Well thank God for this site. I thought that I was alone in this view for a long time. I've had serious arguements with Jim Bordman fron anfieldroad.com on this issue earlier in the year. The Rafaheads all followed him like sheep. He's always refused to explain his very personal grudge against Purslow

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  81. The thing is Jamie that you took the Tony Blair Iraq War stance on Hicks & Gillett. We couldn't prove that he lied or willfully misled the country ergo he didn't lie or mislead us. We couldn't prove that H&G never intended to fund a stadium or transfers out of their money. We couldn't prove that they didn't intend to place us in almost £300M in debt. Therefore they did intend to do it. You spent over a year trying to show those who wanted rid of H&G to be rabid, idiotic, xenophobes. Events have PROVEN that our development over the last few years have been eaten up by debt repayments. You even wrote a blog arguing that Rafa has cost Liverpool more money than H&G. It was laughable because the manager is employed to spend money. The owners are there to provide it! It wasn't even a feasible comparison. But if it showed H&G in a good light and Rafa in a bad one you went with it. You can try and move the goalposts now, make it out as if you were merely the voice for calm. But in reality you assumed a promotional role for H&G (thanked by one of the Hicks' spawn in an email you were so proud to show us one time even).

    Now I'm not saying that you were some kind of nazi sympathiser (Hicksler anybody?), but you did use your blog to support the incumbent owners and rail against fan groups like SoS who wanted rid of them.

    Don't get me wrong some fans are wild conspiracy theorists. But conspiracy theories only happen when there is secrecy, lies and falsehoods set about by those in charge. Level headed calmness was needed not blind support of those misleading us and protracted attacks on the harmless conspiracy theorists on the edge of the club.

    The bottom line is that those who repeatedly stood against H&G were right. Certain small details from some of them were wrong (Liverpool were never going to go into administration, Purslow wasn't a H&G stooge and Broughton wasn't a Chelsea double agent), but these were little more than misguided rumours from what is a rumour city (believe about 10% of what a Liverpool taxi driver tells you). The main issue was ALWAYS the owners and you were on the wrong side on that one.

    Fact.

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  82. Truered explain what you mean by the way they treated RAFA. What exactly do you mean by that??

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  83. What's sad Tom is that Roy did have the usual 30mil or so that Benitez had every year to play around with. You might like to check out some of Rafa's first signings. They were so bad we have even forgotton their names

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  84. So you are saying he was sacked. Did Purslow not say 'it was the clearest case of mutual consent' he had ever seen?

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  85. sort your spelling out it's terrible

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  86. Dude no offense, I came to this site looking for real criticism of Liverpool FC and real analysis of the issues both on and off the pitch at the club, and all I take from your writings are just grudges and immovable biases, not to mention a whole lot of bitterness towards certain sections of fans and supporters. I think all these detractors you constantly mention have gotten to you. Why don't you start focuses on the issues from a perspective that doesn't have such a defensive tone, you sound like your screaming from the roof of a building and refuse to come down to actually explain what the hell you're yelling about. And you wonder why people don't like your stuff.

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  87. With the exception of supplying the money to buy Fernando Torres, name one good thing Hicks and Gillett did for this club. Name it, I dare you. In case you haven't noticed, we've won nothing since 06.

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  88. It's because it's the only way of assuming the anti-hero role enjoyed by so many on the internet. Without picking up on small irrelevant nuances and differences amongst some fans and blowing it up to some kind of call to arms, all we have is one man who sympathised with H&G and everyone else who vehemently opposed them.

    People may have got some details wrong, apportioned a level of blame to some on the board who did not deserve it, but the main issue was the owners and our distain for them. Jamie chose to criticise our various levels of distain rather than showing any for those two clowns. Now Jamie excuses their actions as actions of businessmen. However the truth is that businessmen who lie and mislead are detested in any business let alone a business that forms a core in many lives across the world.

    All these bloggers have left is playing out vendettas and moving enough goalposts to show themselves to be sages of our club.

    I say enough is enough. Finally we may have custodians of the club that will work to a common goal of success and pride. The schisms affecting our club and our fans can now die away and all those media vultures and self-serving bloggers making a name for themselves on the suffering of the fans can go back to the obscurity of where they came.

    Or they can decide to pull together, bury the petty, ridiculous squabbles and support our club.

    Or not.

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  89. I've always been under the impression that Purslow was hired to merely bring in 100 mill investment and within 1 month of his appointment decided to cut tranfer funds to Rafa who was looking to bring in a top class defender and a top class striker after he purchased Johnson. I don't know facts but it seems that Purslow didn't like Rafa from the day he walked in and from his initial role of merely bringing in investment, he somehow was in charge of Rafa, transfer funds etc and basically took over Parry's role. We don't need facts to see that from about a month or less after his appointment, everything started to go wrong. He shared the same opinion as Jamie it seems and did everything in his power to oust Rafa - no facts here, just everything seems to point in that way. Maybe he's only gone against the yanks in recent months and that's why they want him out now. Maybe their relationship was different when Rafa was around? The fact that the yanks want Purslow out now proves nothing at all in my opinion.

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  90. He can't explain it because the reasoning is so tenuous.  There is no logical reason to think ill of Purslow; saying 'he got rid of Benitez' is the stock response, but even that is not accurate.  The board facilitated Benitez's exit, not one man.

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  91. I couldn't care less if people 'abuse' me - if this article is insulting, that's good.  Fans who attacked Purslow, Ayres et al attacked the CLUB - to me, *that* is insulting.  And fans who just joined the witch-hunt without having the critical faculty to question things deserve to be insulted.  I make no apology at all for calling such fans 'dim-witted' and ignorant.  It's the truth.

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  92. * Gave Benitez more money that any LFC manager in history (series of 15-20m signings for first time, i.e. Keane, Johnson, Aquilani, Mascherano, Torres)

    * Installed Purslow with a remit to improve commercial side of club (achieved in spades)

    * Presided over record new sponsorship deal.

    * Set-up club's first commercial department

    * Got rid of Rick Parry

    * Provided money to extend contracts of top players (Gerrard, Torres, Ahher, Kuyt, Reina et al)

    * Gave Benitez new contract when fans called for it (I was against it, but still a positive thing in many fans' eyes)

    * Brougt the club's commercial/financial processess kicking and screaming into the 21st Century


    The fact we've won nothing since 06 has NOTHING to do with H+G - Benitez has spent over 200m since that time - it's down to him.

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  93. Jaime, some of the stuff you mentioned regarding what G+H did for the club with expense of putting debt on it is debatable whether it's good or not. I believe Moores could have done a G+H if he want but he prefer to sell instead of piling up the debt tt way.

    In football, whether a club maintain success or in top 5 depend on investment of players & as you said Benitez spent over 200M but how much have him recouped back? This 200M you claimed is pretty unfair to the manager. Let find a simple example, you bought a new flat and need to buy furnitures but you dont have whole sum of money to buy good one & your yearly allowance for furniture is only 3k & the best of each type of furniture cost 5k or more. So during the 1st year, you bought all of it with cheap stuff but still useable, next year you sell 1 and add in yrly 3k to upgrade another and this goes on yr after yr. So are you going to use your above 200m analysis without the recouping part to exaggerate how much he/you spent & to cover the fact that you simply not rich enough to upgrade it one shot?

    I agreed H+G did improve our commercial and as an owner i expect them to do it. Success on the pitch will bring us more successful outside the pitch, isnt that business? They are businessman after all.

    Like i say, extending contract of key players to maintain success like Mash, Gerrard, Reina is a common sense thing to do not just in Football club but also elsewhere. I believe most owner will do that, to keep their best asset, but the point is HOW they do to keep the asset and whether the WAY they do it is debatable as good or not. By piling more debt into our club?

    You may disagreed with Rafa extension of contract but i am actually supportive of it. I am not rafa's lover, i dislike boring football but i cant hide the fact tt rafa actually bring us forward. 28yrs of supporting liverpool, i can see the ideas of what rafa is building on and have faith in it, under houllier or evans or even souness i have never feel such confident at all.

    As for 15-20M for players transfer, this is debatable again. 10yrs ago, i could buy a bowl of noodle for $2, right now it's $4.50 at least.

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  94. Ya i agreed, if SOS were to blame Purslow due to the minutes stuff is really uncalled for

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  95. * H+G never gave Rafa 200m+ to spend on players they gave 70m. But i would argue that this didn't come from them but from the debt on the club.

    * To me at least Purslow seems to have been a good "signing"

    * Sponsorship deal? I would be surprised if they had anything to do with it, it is clear to me that the running of the club is done by Ayre, Broughton and Purslow

    * Yes they did, but this is something we should have expected

    * Did they provide money? Or did they just provide more debt. I am great at spending 50k on my credit card, doesn't mean it is good financial sense

    * Giving Rafa a new contract and then sacking him a year later, not very smart.

    * I agree they have done well on the comercial side of things but what is the point if it all goes on debt? Hopefully when we get bought and we have no debt that we have an extra 40-50m per year to go into the club.

    H+G are to blame for many things wrong with the club right now and when they go it will be a start of a new era

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  96. Well, I'd be delighted (as would all fans I'm sure) if we stayed at an
    Anfield that was renovated to accommodate more fans and VIP booths.
    But I wont judge whoever the new owners are until they come in and show
    us what they're about.
    I'm certain though that a company will continue to run LFC as a
    business, but look at investing in the LFC brand so that it can become
    more successful.
    Let's see how all this unravels over the coming weeks... the
    international break couldn't have come at a better time.

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  97. paul ,
     if what u suggest has some truth I see a derisory effect from such a stratogey.halting spending harms the whole club we have been light in many key areas all over the pitch since later half of 2008.
    That kind of tactic can only further confuse the 'sheep element' fan
    lets not get into the rafas spending again please - lets look at it from the financial angle.If this has truths then it sadens me to think the boardroom has weakend us in so many ways.
    One input I susspect is they where all on board untill this deadline loomed like a spectre and theve realised the alternate would be poss take over.
    I can only imagine such highly paid monikers had a ball getting us so close to the icebergs
    and I hope now some rats dont have to much choice !
    H&G will do all they can to clamber something i pray the suits have done thier home work this time, this red sox fella is no mug so getting him on board now should? be a good move.Many others may have waited to pick the meat from the bones.
    sorry if Ive cliched on a bit - gettin back to the footie Im looking forward to the vital 6 pointer aginst the blue half!

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  98. Really? Your argument is "stupid people deserve to be ridiculed"? That's pretty revealing.

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  99. My god jaime, you don't even know Ian Ayre's name and you claim to be a source of knowlege for liverpool fans. For a man who supposedly reviles "blind-faith" you are pretty much the last person alive who believed H&G and their talk of a glorious future and how the club has never been in better shape.

    Why not just tell it like it is Jaime - you just plain don't like Liverpool fans, and would see the club run into the ground just to spite them.

    P.S "The overwrought doom-mongers who were foaming at the mouth arguing that the club was facing the apocolypse are looking pretty stupid right now", haha, you took that down pretty shortly afterwards, didn't you my boy?

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  100.  Hi,

    found the article very interesting. even I was disgusted withthe kind of hype and negative publicity media created over the issue.

    In my blog I tried to highlight the same sentiment. Do go through!

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  101. I see you're back to deleting comments you don't agree with Jaimie? Nice to see you're remaining objective!

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  102. No, Kop.  Due to your previous contravention of the comment policy, your comments are checked before going live; they're not deleted at all. 

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  103. I can't believe that this is finally over! What a reief for everyone involved in the club!

    Paul
    Trampolines

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