In November 2012, Wilfried Bony's Agent confirmed that Liverpool had held talks with the striker over a possible January transfer. Brendan Rodgers ended up signing Daniel Sturridge instead, and the following summer, Bony joined Swansea. With Luis Suarez leaving Anfield, the Reds will need a replacement, and Brendan Rodgers is reportedly set to reignite interest in the prolific Ivory Coast international, who is currently in talks with Tottenham Hotspur.
In May, The Telegraph claimed that Liverpool were back on the trail of Bony, and according to the Daily Mail today:
"Liverpool are ready to revive interest in Wilfried Bony. He is rated at £20million and Spurs or Liverpool will have to stump up the cash for him"
Bony is already well-known at Anfield - he came for trial in 2007, but Rafa Benitez decided not to move ahead with a deal. Then, in October 2012, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported:
"Liverpool scouts came to watch Bony. They want him".
Soon after, Bony's Agent, Dalimor Traore, confirmed the story when he told Reporters:
"Liverpool are one of the clubs who have been considering him. We have been in talks with them"
When asked about Bony's future in June, boss Gary Monk asserted that Swansea are 'not a selling club', but conceded that, ultimately, 'money talks'. He noted:
"It would have to be an astronomical fee for him to leave though. We're not in any debt. We don't need to lose anyone so we're in a strong position."
Monk also provided an insight into why Bony - - recently described by Jonathan DeGuzman as 'unplayable' - is so highly regarded:
"He [Bony] is a proper professional. He's not the sort of player to take it easy. Every single day he pushes himself and everyone around him. The more players like that you have in your squad, the better you're going to be."
Bony sounds similar Luis Suarez in his approach to the game: constantly pushing for the best, and always demanding 110% effort and commitment. Additionally, like Suarez, he is a man of steel, and is seemingly impervious to injury. Whenever I've watched him play, the Ivorian's amazing body strength is clearly evident, and with Daniel Sturridge susceptible to regular injuries, it will be beneficial to have another solid unit in the team.
The Ivorian's stats for Swansea in his first season are excellent:
* Overall: 27 goals/6 assists in 50 apps.
* Goal/Assist every 1.5 games.
* League only: 16 goals/4 assists in 27 starts.
* Goal/assist every 1.3 starts.
Bony has basically carried on where he left off in 2012-13, when he proved himself to be a goal-machine for Vitesse Arnhem:
* 31 goals/8 assists in 30 league games.
* Goal every 85 minutes.
* Goal/Assist every 67 minutes.
For once, this is a transfer I can really get behind, and I'd much rather see Liverpool pay £20m for Bony than waste £30m on Markovic and Origi. The price may be slightly inflated, but the Ivorian international is an experienced, top quality, Premier League-proven player, and given his history - and excellent first season in the Premier League - there is a high probability that he'll continue to score/create goals at Anfield.
As usual, though, Liverpool are playing catch-up with this deal. Like Lovren, the Reds could've signed Bony last summer (when he cost only £12m), but Rodgers missed the boat, and now the club will have to pay through the nose.
Granted, Bony is a totally different type of player to Suarez, and is not a replacement in the traditional sense, but he is well-equipped to replace some of the Uruguayan's goals/assist output, and in theory, he can only improve if surrounded by higher quality players.
Personally, I'd be very happy with this transfer, and if it goes through, there's the added bonus of gazumping Spurs, who deserve to lose some players after repeatedly gate-grashing Liverpool's transfers over the years.
Author: Jaimie K
In May, The Telegraph claimed that Liverpool were back on the trail of Bony, and according to the Daily Mail today:
"Liverpool are ready to revive interest in Wilfried Bony. He is rated at £20million and Spurs or Liverpool will have to stump up the cash for him"
Bony is already well-known at Anfield - he came for trial in 2007, but Rafa Benitez decided not to move ahead with a deal. Then, in October 2012, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported:
"Liverpool scouts came to watch Bony. They want him".
Soon after, Bony's Agent, Dalimor Traore, confirmed the story when he told Reporters:
"Liverpool are one of the clubs who have been considering him. We have been in talks with them"
When asked about Bony's future in June, boss Gary Monk asserted that Swansea are 'not a selling club', but conceded that, ultimately, 'money talks'. He noted:
"It would have to be an astronomical fee for him to leave though. We're not in any debt. We don't need to lose anyone so we're in a strong position."
Monk also provided an insight into why Bony - - recently described by Jonathan DeGuzman as 'unplayable' - is so highly regarded:
"He [Bony] is a proper professional. He's not the sort of player to take it easy. Every single day he pushes himself and everyone around him. The more players like that you have in your squad, the better you're going to be."
Bony sounds similar Luis Suarez in his approach to the game: constantly pushing for the best, and always demanding 110% effort and commitment. Additionally, like Suarez, he is a man of steel, and is seemingly impervious to injury. Whenever I've watched him play, the Ivorian's amazing body strength is clearly evident, and with Daniel Sturridge susceptible to regular injuries, it will be beneficial to have another solid unit in the team.
The Ivorian's stats for Swansea in his first season are excellent:
* Overall: 27 goals/6 assists in 50 apps.
* Goal/Assist every 1.5 games.
* League only: 16 goals/4 assists in 27 starts.
* Goal/assist every 1.3 starts.
Bony has basically carried on where he left off in 2012-13, when he proved himself to be a goal-machine for Vitesse Arnhem:
* 31 goals/8 assists in 30 league games.
* Goal every 85 minutes.
* Goal/Assist every 67 minutes.
For once, this is a transfer I can really get behind, and I'd much rather see Liverpool pay £20m for Bony than waste £30m on Markovic and Origi. The price may be slightly inflated, but the Ivorian international is an experienced, top quality, Premier League-proven player, and given his history - and excellent first season in the Premier League - there is a high probability that he'll continue to score/create goals at Anfield.
As usual, though, Liverpool are playing catch-up with this deal. Like Lovren, the Reds could've signed Bony last summer (when he cost only £12m), but Rodgers missed the boat, and now the club will have to pay through the nose.
Granted, Bony is a totally different type of player to Suarez, and is not a replacement in the traditional sense, but he is well-equipped to replace some of the Uruguayan's goals/assist output, and in theory, he can only improve if surrounded by higher quality players.
Personally, I'd be very happy with this transfer, and if it goes through, there's the added bonus of gazumping Spurs, who deserve to lose some players after repeatedly gate-grashing Liverpool's transfers over the years.
Author: Jaimie K
We already have a n°9 and his substitute. If we sign Bony for £20M he won't play and you'll most probably say it was a waste of money.
ReplyDeleteDon't tell me what I will or will not say. Stick to posting views related to the subject at hand.
ReplyDeleteWhen Suarez goes, that leaves Lambert and Sturridge, and with DS's injury history, that's clearly not enough, especially with 4 competitions.
That is obvious, and if you weren't so busy being a sniper, you'd see that.
This a waist of money spent on a talent that will not fit our system. BR needs to start thinking a little bigger. Reason why we were so deadly up front was because of our movements. He is a stationary striker that are the thing of the past these days. If you going to loose Suarez you need to bring an imposing striker. We are not in EPL only. CL what is he going to do? DS is not feared in Europe in EPL yeah! This is will be a disappointed transfer. Moses part 2 for me.
ReplyDeleteAlways wanting to pay bottom dollar if you think Bony's is only going to cost Liverpool £20 m dream on and miss out again. Swansea looking to start at £25m +.
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of bigger clubs interested
Bigger than Liverpool?
ReplyDeleteThey can have him!
ReplyDeleteI dont think Bony would be a starter. And if we doesnt play regularly will he be able to recreate his past season form? Not all come players can just come on and score regularly. Its a big gamble like the rest. I think we should wait till January and then sign a decent striker. Remy would be better than Bony as he can play as winger and has decent speed.
ReplyDeleteWould prefer Remy, would hope to be better value as well
ReplyDeleteHe'll be another Michu, great first season and then nothing.. You saw him at the WC surely, so you know he can't cut it at the very top...
ReplyDeleteWhy would money be wasted on markovic and origi?
ReplyDeleteSo what your are saying is that we need to spend £20M on somebody who's going to play when Sturridge is injured? What happened to not buying players we don't need?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sniping, all I'm saying is Bony is a n°9, Liverpool's n°9 is Daniel Sturridge, other than Sturridge we still have Lambert who has just arrived and also Borini.
We should be strengthening the flanks (an area that actually needs strenghthening) and that's why BR is going for Markovic.
Last summer we blew over £20m on Aspas, Alberto and Illori. Can someone tell me any other top club that has such a bizarre transfer policy as Liverpool? Who else pays so much for players like Carroll, Downing and Lallana?
ReplyDeleteAny chance of us going in for caulker
ReplyDeleteIf Pochittino has sense he'll insist the club pay up for Bony to Tottenham. He's a perfect partner to Adebayor and can do the job up front alone when playing alone. But a Bony/Adebayor partnership could really blossom. If both stayed fit, Tottenham could surprise the bookmakers next season!.
ReplyDeleteI reckon Bony would quickly become a huge favourite at White Hart Lane. That alone would make a huge difference to the atmosphere! He's made for Tottenham and is good enough to become a real star! Southampton could do a lot too with the substantial extra money too.
My guess is its up to Bony? If he goes to Tottenham their entire threat rises another level. He's the sort of player their supporters are crying out for and he'd likely inspire. if Bony's sensible enough to see how playing alongside Adebayor could reap huge dividends he'd be making a good move? If I was in Swansea management, boots I'd accept he will be departing soon enough and do some good business now.
I feel Bony is a good example as a player but whether or not he has the discipline and maturity to and manage himself as a professional is open to question when the lights of London and fame with money take over? However, if he's intent on becoming a major footballer for his club and country there are few better opportunities than Totteham present to enter into a a new light. I Hope he decides to go to Tottenahm and that Tottenham make his club a sufficient offer as wellr. It would indicate much to the hopes and aspirations of Tottenham's supporters and of their new manageriai appointment's instincts in particular..
Their completely different players!!
ReplyDeleteI do want honest opinion and this is my HONEST OPINION. As was that one last year that we will finish above manu last year, that we will win the league, that DS will score 10 in the first half season and that he is a 20 goals a year goalscorer..
ReplyDeleteMy problem with some people here is that it seems almost they wish our signings will flop just to prove them right. And whenever someone posts a positive sentence there is someone to say- shut up you twaet. I just don't see a point in saying dream on to someone saying good things about OUR club.
Disagree, but at least say you wish I am right, if you are bothering to reply.
Really funny how fans of other BPL teams are beyond deluded these days. On the daily echo, for example, they truly believe they are on par with us and can even rise above us with Ronald Koeman. But to get to my point... No clubs outside England will pay 25M for Bony. So tell what bigger clubs? Spurs? Johnny the Joker. We don't need him anyway. Sturridge is our no.9 and our dynamic way of attacking just isn't made for Bony.
ReplyDeleteI think its not very realistic that LFC is going to pay 20M for a plan b striker.
I'd quite like to see Remy in the team, Bony's a good shout too, but bit worried about Markovic.
ReplyDeleteDon't want Bony. He is not technically good enough, if we did not have Lambert than Bony would have been a sound investment and could have done very well for us. Can't see Lambert and Bony playing together in our style of play as we wont kick is long and have runners for the flick on's - cant seen us wanting to getting it wide and crossing it in also a primary attack. Lambert is an option and change to the norm, which is whay Bony will be or us if he signs.
ReplyDeleteWe need to go in for Benzema as Sanchez does not want to come. I also want us to sign 1 or 2 up coming strikers players that already have first team experience.
This is Jaimie in a good mood .......
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, be happy.
ReplyDeleteScored twice in the World Cup in an underperforming Ivory Coast team. Scored against Valencia, Man City, Man Utd, Everton, You, Arsenal and Spurs last season.
ReplyDeleteHe's a top quality striker with a proven record against the better teams he's played. He's worth a lot more than £20m. If you don't think so then fine, we'll keep him.
Would they take Allen back?
ReplyDeleteBony<S. Doumbia
ReplyDeleteBony has proven a lot of people wrong, they said the Dutch league was weak hence is scoring record. He then comes to a different country & has a immense impact, saving Swansea from a relegation scrap. This is proven pedigree & far less likely to be a one season wonder. By the way, is Lambert a one season wonder?
ReplyDeleteTruth be told Bony is a better striker than Lambert, in the air & finishing.
We need goals Bony will get you 15-20 goals a season, so for me he should take Borini's place. If we could get Remi that would be 4 top strikers!
Any truth in those Yedlin rumors?
ReplyDeleteBony is a match winner and very under rated
ReplyDeleteSo so true! Truth is we need to replace Saurez's goals not necessarily Saurez himself. This man has proved himself in two different leagues & in the World Cup!
ReplyDeleteWhat did we buy Tiago Ilori for...? He should be getting some game time, from what I've seen he's as comfortable on the ball as Gerrard, and can pass like him too, that's exactly what we need in the back line, I rate Sakho and Strtel but sublime footballers they are not!
ReplyDeleteWe need to improve stats of attacking options we already have, add some new ones, and decrease goals conceded. Replacing LS goals, assists and all those other things he brought to the table is impossible, and also not necessary.
ReplyDeletevery missing titles as alwayz
ReplyDeleteI know that it's not our fault we didn't get him, but Alexis Sanchez would have been a real difference maker for us. Very jealous Arsenal got him.
ReplyDeleteCan't blame the owners or BR... Sanchez and his family wanted London.
He would have done great at LFC.
When you say improve stats of attacking options, what exactly do you mean? Why is replacing Saurez's goals impossible?
ReplyDeleteI mean Sterling, Coutinho, Hendo must score/assist more often.
ReplyDeleteBecause he is by far the best number nine in the world. And I also ment his assist, chances created, fouls conceded, hunger etc..
hunger?
ReplyDeleteNot intended, but it works..
ReplyDeleteBony>higuain
ReplyDeleteNow I understand, TBH I won't hold my breath with Hendo but that's a lot to ask & for me less likely to result in the extra goals needed. Other thing is this LFC have historically been able to replace great strikers with great strikers. From Ian St John right through to Torres! So I don't agree with Saurez's goals not been replaceable! Bony/Remy plus what we have already would do the trick.
ReplyDeleteYou could've posted all 3 together..
ReplyDeleteYes couple of players plus what we have, but certainly not one player...
ReplyDeleteNext season will really define us. Years gone by we've had some many false dawns.
ReplyDeleteThat's my 2nd post and I want to see people opinion. I know higuian is a bigger name but I truly think bony is a better striker
ReplyDeleteI see 3 posts, never mind.. I didn't see more than 120 minutes of him, so I can't tell, but his stats say he is amazing..
ReplyDeletenot sure about bony hes very similar to lambert..the style we play we need forwards who can play to feet
ReplyDeleteI just don't get your constant bashing of Sakho. How could you possibly want to sell a 23 year old CB who has the potential to be better than both Agger and Skrtel who are both approaching the end of their careers. You can't say they both don't make mistakes. Ok Skrtel was our best defender last year but he still made plenty of mistakes in plenty of games. He was just the only defender who did also have a bunch of good games (Flanno excluded). Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen and unfortunately it seems all of our CBs are a bit like that. I was always an Agger fan but he's so slow now and gets caught out all the time plus he's so injury prone. I wouldn't mind us losing Skrtel, Agger and Toure this summer. I'd keep Sakho and at least give him a few years to justify his price tag.
ReplyDeleteHave to agree, no evidence that money is wasted. Note also that the brilliant Michu is going out on loan !
ReplyDeleteIt's morning already..
ReplyDeleteSanchez would have been ideal, closest like for like replacement that was on the market, scores goals and creates goals, holds the ball, has vision.
ReplyDeleteDon't think it's a simple as "his family" wanted London. Probably more to do with money, Liverpool probably wanted an incentive based pay, or couldn't match or exceed what Arsenal were offering. Has to be something like that. Which is fine, but at some point you have to pay the going rate for top class players.
Bony's alright - too bad they didn't get him last year instead of Aspas.
ReplyDeleteMaybe straight swap, Aspas and Allen for Bony???
If there was a price for which we could've got him, there is no excuse for why he is in London.
ReplyDeleteJAIMIE, did you already made the end of the year poll?
ReplyDeleteNo, that's not what I said, so stop twisting my words. Read my post properly for a change.
ReplyDeleteDid you already made the end of the year poll?
ReplyDeleteMan it hurts to see Sanchez at Arsenal. He just looks like he will tear up the PL. Giroud will be excess before long.
ReplyDeleteJust stick Assaidi upfront, he'll get Ronaldo numbers in goals next season. Then Barca come knocking and we straight swap for Messi next year.
ReplyDeleteIf that doesn't float your boat Luc Castaignos or Loic Remy, for cover and when Sturridge is injured. Personally, I wouldn't mind Lucas Moura, he's got everythiing to be top quality. Moura just needs a manager to show him some faith and TLC. Also a buddy for coutiniho, who will probably create friendly competition ala Danny Murphy and Stevie.
I'm gonna miss you Chewy..
ReplyDeleteDo you want me to leave you a love bite?? To remember me by
ReplyDeleteYea, bite me..
ReplyDeleteI'm not allowed near football stadiums... shall me meet where the locals go dogging? FIFA have made it so awkward for me!!!
ReplyDeleteTruth be told...As long as Sturridge Keep around the same numbers in goals, you just need someone to bring half of the goals Suarez did. You don't have to score 102 goals to be successful, if we tighten up in the back with better game management, we won't drop too far off where we are at the moment.
ReplyDeleteLFC do not need his talent! He is a good player not they type for LFC system right now.
ReplyDeleteI get what you are saying about Rodger's "missing the boat" with Bony and Lovren, however, we could be saying that a few years down the line if he doesn't sign Origi and Markovic! It is risky to sign kids for a season where we need to kick on and Improve, but Sterling and Flanno have nailed down their places, maybe these guys and Can could do too!
ReplyDeleteIf we had signed Bony last season he would have struggled to get a game, hence would have been unsettled on the bench and seen as a waste of money. If Origi signs for someone else, has a good season and increases his value we will have missed the boat! Rodger's can't win.
ReplyDeleteAgger does frequently get injured and probably should be sold but I don't rate Skrtel as highly as you do. He scored a few goals but also broke the record for own goals scored (4). We let in a lot of goals last season especially for a team challenging for the title and in my opinion from what I saw I didn't think any of our defenders had a brilliant season . You've mentioned Agger making mistakes but not mentioned Skrtels own goals which surprises me a little as surely they were also mistakes . Skrtel is also the worst player for pulling shirts by far and if the refs decide to clamp down on that part of the gsme as predicted then Skrtel will find himself in a bit of trouble
ReplyDeleteSorry, but it is not true at all that Bony would've struggled to play. Suarez was out for the first 6 games, and Aspas played, so Bony would've taken his place. Sturridge was out injured for a while; as was Coutinho. Bony also (probably) would've taken Moses' place in a number of games. It's probable he would've played well, and therefore would've kept his place.
ReplyDeleteAs for Origi - if he was older, then I'd agree, but he's 19. It's no loss at all. Plenty of other young players out there.
I'm waiting too :-/
ReplyDeletewhats age got to do with it....hes Belgium first choice striker over luka a guy who rips us to shreds so how is he not good enough yet
ReplyDeleteNonsense
ReplyDeleteEverybody likes being Captain Hindsight.. it makes them more knowledgeable that way.
ReplyDeleteReally, I thought they would win their group going away...glad I didn't put money on them.
ReplyDeleteYes if Sterling has even a slightly better year than he did last year it will be hard to hold on to him...and I think this is going to be a breakout year for him.
ReplyDeleteWell said
ReplyDeleteHa ha! Dump Sakho! You're clueless!!
ReplyDeleteI thought that Skrtel and Agger produced the greatest number of clean sheets! I think sakho was injured as well for quite some time and, though I like the look of sakho, he was as assured on the ball.
ReplyDeleteIt's not about keeping the better of the two, since really they both should be first choice.
They've proven themselves to be consistent underachievers. I never fancied them to make it out the group myself. I knew Colombia would win the group but thought Japan might sneak through. I think it told that their best players (Kagawa and Honda) were out of form going into the tournament.
ReplyDeleteYep, he was a good egg. I was never fully convinced by him. I think he benefited from being a scouser in terms of the high regard some fans held him in. Always happens. Happening with Flanno a bit now. I always thought Spearing was a better passing midfielder than people gave him credit for and a worse destroyer than people thought. He was a bit in between and had no strong physical characteristics. That's why he dropped down a division, I think. Decent player though and a good lad.
ReplyDeleteHe was the best number 9 in the world. Now he is just some guy who played for my club and agitated for a transfer. Screw him. I just wish that people would stop masturbating over the Barca bound c***
ReplyDeleteYou are a knob.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you on this site? It's not the spuds appreciation society
ReplyDeleteHe wanted to live in London. Why is that hard for some to accept?
ReplyDeleteSomething to moan about.
ReplyDeleteI get your opinion and I would have liked Rogers to have had the selection dilemma. I just think Bony would have been third choice and a waste if asked to play wide. Surely it would have been similar to our central defensive situation that you don't like i.e too much competition. As you know it's not something I have a problem with as I like strong competition and a strong bench.
ReplyDeleteIf Bony had played well enough to justify regular inclusion in the team, then given the type of player he is, it's more likely (IMO) that Sturridge would've been moved out wide to accommodate him.
ReplyDeleteSturridge is far more suited to that role, and although it's not ideal, it would've worked. SAS played up front together in some games last season, too, so in that situation, it probably would've been Bony and Sturridge central, with Suarez behind, or out wide.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? First, when I talk about players LFC should've signed, then 99.9% of the time, I'm referring to proven quality players with experience. I have *never* argued that a club should've signed a teenager, no matter how prodigious the ability.
ReplyDeleteSecond, give it a rest with the 'people more knowledgeable than us' stuff. Do you have some somrt of inferiority complex that dictates that you must defer to these so-called geniuses? These same enlightened people also signed Carroll, Aspas, Alberto, Moses, Assaidi and a whole host of other flops over the years, so their judgment in the transfer market is clearly suspect.
And what are you on about with your final line? Wy do fans care about anything football related? What kind of question is that? We're fans - we care about what goes on, which is why we question things; and fans have every right to do that.
Players will move to timbuktu if you give them the right incentives. Living in London is a perk, you just need to counter with other perks to offset.10k-20k a week will probably be good enough.
ReplyDeleteTo add to your point at the end, the money matters because it's an allocation of funds.
ReplyDeleteSpending on one player can affect our spending on another player.
Will Origi's 10m allocation affect our pursuit of another player who could help us now? Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
He is going to gain experience at Lille. It's easy enough saying sign such and such for x amount when they are playing well and have been for a while but then we are not the only ones interested. In most cases those players are never world beaters just really good. How do we know this lad won't be? You talked of Rogders (as if he is making these decisions without lots of advice) going "he is Belgium, they have had a couple of good players coming thorough lets get him" when, a; it shows a obtuseness about transfers (deliberate or not I am not sure) and b. a total disrespect for the decision makers.
ReplyDeleteAs for those signed you will find that two of those names yo mentioned were signed prior to changes in the scouting and therefore transfer committee, one was loaned and not signed and the other two? Well I can't argue those. But the point remains that those making these decisions now are still those who wanted Costa and Willian et al. Not all those identified were poor. As for deferring to the more knowledgeable I think that is a logical point of view when I (and you by your own admission) don't know a lot about the lad. I don't have insider info, contacts with scouts and coaches and people who spot talent for a living so taking the word of respected journalists (respected by me), coaches, players and managers rather than righting a player off as a waste when he could be an investment. To me that is common sense.
Football related, OK bu only partially. You talk about the money payed a lot when it is only a part of what money is invested. You talk about worth whilst not knowing much about the player. You talk about waste before seeing the lad kick a ball for us. Sometimes reading your articles it seems like your willing a negative outcome just so you an say I told you all so. I just don't get why you are so keen to call players a waste before they have even put on the shirt.
If that was the case then it has a place but surely our pursuit of Willian at the end of the last window shows there seems to be funds available for players we really want if they are available. Did the "waste" of money on Alberto et al affect s chasing other players? No. Only the clubs valuations did. We were still ready to buy big.
ReplyDeleteI don't see us going for a big name player and go "aghh well if we hadn't have bought Origi we could buy him". They may not buy a player THEY feel is overpriced but I doubt it will be affected by this signing. Nothing in the last windows have suggested that at all.
Signings pre season underwhelming. Over paid for all land by around 10 buying unknown serbian who only we want for 20 Suarez out for less than bale! !@ Sanchez at Arsenal. Another poor summer by Ian are and someone get money away from Brendan. 2 good signings in 2 years.
ReplyDeleteI think the main consideration to make is the depth of the squad rather than having a defined first team. The modern game needs to use the squad and make good use of the subs bench on match days. So one no.9 is not a wise move. It's a tactical game that needs different players for different games, or even during the game to mix things up. If Liverpool do end up buying Bony then there will be some matches where us fans will be more than happy to see him up front.
ReplyDeleteYou can pretty much guarantee that Sturridge will be injured at some time during the season. And if not then he will certainly be knackered if played in every game, which would be negligent. Lambert is a good signing, but is not meant to be a regular. Then what? Borini? Jury is out on that. He is likely to be gone if someone makes an offer, he's just not up to it at Liverpool.
Now that Sanchez is an Arsenal player, that saga is done. So it's a case of Liverpool insisting on Barca paying the full but out clause value in cash up front for Suarez, otherwise he's going nowhere. If they pay up, then go to Monaco and pay them what they want for James Rodriguez. Should still have change to buy someone else.
Bony is an over glorified yard dog not I the same class as Sanchez who we tried to sign. Better option is Martinez or Rodriguez. Don't care if we spend all Suarez money on 1 player
ReplyDeleteNot sure there's a place for bony AND lambert in the team. However I wouldn't be against the transfer as he's been a solid goal scorer everywhere he's been. Jackson Martinez would be my personal choice now that Sanchez has joined arsenal. Still gutted about that
ReplyDeleteOf course it is. And of course French football followers know who Origi is, they watch him bloody play every week!
ReplyDeleteThose league only stats are not particularly mind blowing. Our biggest problem will be replacing that creation in the final third. Suarez is so much more than a goal scorer, he can also make incredible passes. He's often the guy who beats the defender and forces a team to collapse around him, creating space and opening up opportunities for others. I think his stats count doesn't even do him justice, there are plenty more times Suarez would be directly involved in a goal where he doesn't get a clear statistic for it. Bony isn't that kind of player and I'm not sure why we would be interested. I still think the club will try to find a Sanchez type of player, someone who can play in the 9-10 role, not just as a finisher but also as a creator. Otherwise we'll just have two strikers up front waiting for some non-existent attacker to create opportunities for them.
ReplyDeleteWhen a striker takes a pen it is cheating. Take away Bony's pens and see how many he scored.
ReplyDeleteYes, some of our targets that we are reportedly considering at the moment may have been cheaper options last season, but I wonder with a more limited transfer budget, and no Champions league football coming off a mediocre season where we finished 7th, whether or not some of them would either be out of our price range, or would not come. Of course there's the possibility of us not targeting those positions, or moving too slowly. I have a feeling that if we don't get a sizeable offer for our current defenders, we'll stick by them, yes even Johnson. You never know, he might even have a good season, hopefully, but if Suarez does indeed go, a striker is a priority and with Studge, Lambert, Borini at the club and with Origi potentially being loaned back to Lille, a fourth forward would be an astute investment, but personally, apart from Ben Davies, I'd prefer our next signing, if we get more, to be a centreback, Lovren or otherwise.
ReplyDeleteWe have Suarez's replacement. Daniel Sturridge. He is gonna score a ton in Rodgers' system. What we need to do is concede 20 or so less goals especially when we are leading by multiple goals. Bony would be a great addition. ...kn addition to the other attackers we are after. Look at City and Chelsea and see who they have on their bench for any given game. We need to match that. Let good players struggle to get in the side. Signing Bony should be along woth Markovic and not instead of. We need them all or we are going to fall right back down to mid table obscurity.
ReplyDeleteExactly!!! Mario Reuss fits that attributes perfectly and Dortmund plays similar style to us which means he'll fit right in the squad. Other worthy notables would Griezman from Sociadad
ReplyDeleteI also don't see how people keep saying we're looking for a Suarez replacement and then come up with guys like Benzema and Bony. Sure Suarez scored a lot of goals last season but that was because of Sturridge's injuries. So as such, I agree we should have an alternative to Sturridge and Bony may not be so bad although he is another player who doesn't fit into the "take us to another level" category. But Suarez really big impact was when he played with Sturridge and for that you need to look at guys like Sanchez and Rodriguez. BR surely cannot believe Lallana will take care of that could he?
ReplyDeleteLove Agger but Lovren Lovren Lovren. Leadership qualities in abundance for someone so young. Exactly what we need.
ReplyDeleteOMFG Kanwar - stop going into tosser mode when someone gives you a valid comment. You are the biggest sniper so pipe down. Mongo.
ReplyDeleteStrikers are supposed to take penalties, just look at the Dutch to see how their strikers bottled it !
ReplyDeleteThat's one of my worries too. Isn't he a bit too much like Carrol? Well, except for the fact that he has tons more talent and ability.
ReplyDeleteFunny this. I think if you look back to posts on this site six weeks ago Southampton fans were saying the same after we bid 25 million for Lallana.
ReplyDeleteWell I can name you a couple more clubs. Spurs obviously since they use our scouting network :-p
ReplyDeleteThe thing is though, none of those clubs are clubs I support so I couldn't care less. But I absolutely agree with you. We never seem to learn.
We finally make it back into the Champions League and we sell our top player only to replace him with unproven players. It's last summer all over again. Lambert's signing made perfect sense as did that of Kolo Touré. But after that first signing, all you can do is scratch your head and wonder.
Hardly missing the boat when we went for Sturridge instead, it would have been instead of Sturridge and with Suarez at the club there was no place for him at the time. Also at that point he wasnt a proven premier league player so would have been a gamble.
ReplyDeleteI also think you are being very harsh saying that the money spent on Origi and Markovic is a waste of money. That goes against your thoughts on picking players up before they hit the big time and their value rockets. I think Origi at 10m could prove to be a absolute bargain and if we hadn't moved for him in 12 months time if he develops more you would be calling negligence on the club for not signing him when the scouts first looked.
It seems the club just cant win. They sign young players and they are wasting the money, they sign proven players and then you say they should have been signed them before they proved themselves.
You are forgetting Fabio Borini is also still at the club. So that's Sturridge, Lambert and Borini for the one strikers spot.
ReplyDeleteHe scored 4 pens in the league last season, not excessive.
ReplyDeleteBony can play at 10 as well as 9, i watched a fair bit of Swansea last year and he can create and as well as score. I think you are doing him a big disservice. It was only when he was pushed right up top with the midfield dropping off that he just put is head down and went for goal which was as a result of the way the team were setup.
ReplyDeleteLove how you are judging the signings before they have kicked a ball. At least wait until you see tham play before you judge. geez
ReplyDeleteFair comment, I haven't seen enough of him to say he's not capable of playing that role. Swansea struggled a bit and it's natural that his role in the team also suffered.
ReplyDeleteGood call on Ron Vlaar. Apparently he only has a year left on his contract with Villa. Suarez always had a tough time when playing against him too which is a good sign.
ReplyDeleteI really like Bony, I wouldn't mind seeing him at Liverpool!
ReplyDeleteI don't buy it. I don't think he has done that much wrong to warrant all the hate he gets from quite a lot of people.
ReplyDeleteSure he has made a few mistakes, but what defender hasn't?
Sometimes players take a little while to settle, he is also basically our only French player in the starting line up, that could have an impact on him adjusting.
At times last season he completely dominated some strikers.
let's give him a bit more time!
Why not sell Agger and Skrtel while we can still get a pretty penny for them? They are both at an age now where their future is not assured especially if either of them picks up a bad injury.
ReplyDeletedont worry about Markovic
ReplyDeleteI see your point, but I would rather keep an experienced (in general and as a Liverpool player) head in defence, and Skrtel would be that person for me. Then use Sakho, Lovren (if we get him) to build confidence and a partnership.
ReplyDeleteChucking in 2 new central defenders could be trouble...
Fully agree with what you have said.
ReplyDeleteI am just happy too see new arrivals. At least the club has added to the squad which was desperately needed and our spending has not stopped after completing deals for Can, Lambert and Lallana.
Markovic is having his medical today or tomorrow, we are waiting on a decision from Origi and I reckon we will still sign Lovren, a LB and possibly a player to fill in for Suarez.
Exciting times ahead, cannot wait for the new season to start!
Hi all, anyone know how old Bony is?
ReplyDeleteI wish I could say I haven't contributed to this level of toxicity but I'm Not That Innocent.
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ReplyDeleteJamie, whilst obviously he signed for Swansea for £12M, I think it is disingenuous to suggest that we could have bought him for the same amount. There is no doubt that the larger clubs are quoted vastly inflated prices compared to the likes of Swansea and, say, Norwich in the case of Von Wolfswinkel. We could have bought him when we bought Sturridge, but that was hardly a poor buy and the fact that Bony has now proved himself in the PL has (correctly) inflated his price - as with Lovren.
ReplyDeleteAs a club we are now in a different position to even last January. We have CL football, we mounted a strong PL challenge and we will have the Suarez cash to spend. Quite clearly we couldn't afford both Sturridge and Bony the previous January, now we can and it's imperative that we make the most of it. Let's face it, our CL draw is going to be tough and could be horrific given the seedings system, so we need all the firepower we can muster.
Who did he dominate? All I saw was: out of position, late for tackles and blocks, horrible distribution, terrible marking and that ridiculous angry face. And it was no better during the world cup.
ReplyDeleteWhy is 20 million for a top class defender very expensive? If it means we concede ten goals less in a season I think he'd be well worth his money
ReplyDeleteOh come on - Vlaar had a solid world cup there's no denying that but let's not pretend he's always been that solid for Villa.
ReplyDeleteThe money I don't care about. It's not my money. The fact that he is such a poor player isn't his fault either. I'm sure he tries. The problem is that we paid 18 million for a player who had not only Tiago Silva but also Alex and Marquinhos ahead of him in the pecking order. Why oh why should PSG's fourth choice CB, who was only there because he was a youth product anyway, be good enough to be first choice at Anfield?
ReplyDeleteHe isn't but he plays one on TV
ReplyDeleteI wonder if we'll see any of the youngsters do a Sterling or Flanagan and get some regular time on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteIf Sturridge did get injured, Lambert and Bony would be a horrible combination to how Liverpool play.
ReplyDeleteFrom Suarez to Bony, how depressing would that be?
ReplyDeleteLmao belter!
ReplyDeleteYou cant replace Suarez he is the best Striker in the world, you have to change the plan which is what i believe Rodgers is doing by bringing in goal scoring\ chance creating midfielders, then bringing in another striker which between them as a group will cover the Suarez loss.
ReplyDeletebecause it's London...
ReplyDeleteI didn't say it did affect it.
ReplyDeleteI said it CAN affect it.
pLAYERS who wanted London went to St Petersburg. We needed him, so we should have given more. And I did say IF THERE WAS A PRICE..
ReplyDeletewHY are you replying to me? I did not see you when I was masturbating, where were you hiding?
ReplyDeleteDon't buy bony to replace Suarez, If you want a replacement for him go for Cavani or Falcao
ReplyDeleteno.
ReplyDeleteNot so sure about this. Quality player fair enough but similar in style to lambert, maybe a step above but not by much. We've gone out and bought decent squad players(one fairly overpriced) but now is the time to make a statement of intent. I would like to seean attempt at bringing reus or muller to the club. Muller, like suarez is full of beans and has a great knack for being in the right place at the right time. And reus, well basically he has it all!! I think both those players buy out is around the 30 million mark. Something it seems we're willing to pay for a youngster that didn't do much in the Portuguese league and one who we're going to send out on loan again straight away!! We're finally back in the champions league... Now ain't the time to piddle about!
ReplyDeletewhy they are not going for A.griezman and X.shaqiri. the team will be like this.
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caulker - skertel - lovren - moreno
mbia/can/gerrad
lallana/allen henderson/coutinho
shaqiri/markovic strurridge/remy griezman/sterling
I for one think Bony would go up a level if he joined Liverpool, great signing imo!
ReplyDeleteMarco Reus would cost £50M + easy!!!! Markovic fee is a little high but you pay for the potential
ReplyDeleteBenteke or Lukaku.. pls
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