It's England vs. Uruguay tonight, and for Roy Hodgson's team, the task is very simple: win, or face embarrassing early elimination from the World Cup. Liverpool striker Luis Suarez is expected to start the game, and with his 'win at any cost' mentality, it's entirely possible that an act of cheating may lead directly to England being dumped out of the competition. In all honesty, I hope that happens, as it will (arguably) be good for the game.
Given my vehement anti-cheating stance, this may sound like hypocrisy, but sometimes, things have to get worse before they get better, and the hypocritical, enabling fans who are killing the game with their pro-cheating ignorance need to be shocked into seeing the light.
Many LFC fans are reasonable, moderate, and fair, but over the last four years, a large section of the club's supporters have persistently defended Suarez's cheating, and come up with dozens of increasingly lame, embarrassing excuses to justify his behaviour.
Many of these fans will passionately support England tonight, and if Suarez's cheating leads to Roy's boys being knocked out of the World Cup, the same fans who've ignorantly defended the Uruguayan will be foaming at the mouth over the injustice of it all, and their rank hypocrisy will be exposed for all to see.
Sometimes, it's important to hold the mirror up to nature, and fans who endlessly rationalise cheating deserve to see their national team suffer as a result of something they so actively and shamelessly encourage.
If Gerrard et al go out of the World Cup as a result of cheating, will LFC's England fans react with the same self-interested magnanimity they display whenever an LFC player cheats? Will they defend Suarez by desperately concocting elaborate 'explanations' underpinned by a series of incrementally spurious justifications?
Will they hell.
The fans will be spitting blood; Suarez will immediately be designated persona-non-grata, and cheating will magically become the most reviled aspect of the game. You most definitely will not hear a single fan insist that Suarez 'did it for his country, so it's okay!'.
I hate cheating. It is a growing cancer of the modern game, and the reprehensible enabling attitude that allows it to prosper is out of control. When the malignancy gets to this level, a severe shock to the system is exactly what's needed to snap people out of their damaging mass delusion.
You reap what you sow. If - as an LFC fan and England supporter - you've ever defended, justified, condoned, or attempted to rationalise blatant cheating, then you can have no complaints if England get knocked out of the World Cup tonight as a result of cheating.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and although cheating is a massive negative, it could lead to positives, including:
* A massive debate about the evils of cheating in football. The hypocritical English media - which happily ignores cheating when it's perpetrated by English players - will get in a tizz and demand change.
* Many devastated fans who've encouraged this damaging practice in the past (or ignored it because it gives their team an advantage), reconsidering their pro-cheating stance.
* Fans finding it harder to defend cheating in the future. Most will be aware of their own hypocrisy, and many more will be called on it ('but you complained about Suarez cheating in the World Cup, so why are you defending X, Y and Z now'?)
For me, that potential sea-change in opinion is worth one act of cheating, and the end definitely justifies the means.
Over to you, Luis...
N.B. If this post offends you, good. It means that you're a cheat-apologist, and the truth hurts.
Author: Jaimie K
Given my vehement anti-cheating stance, this may sound like hypocrisy, but sometimes, things have to get worse before they get better, and the hypocritical, enabling fans who are killing the game with their pro-cheating ignorance need to be shocked into seeing the light.
Many LFC fans are reasonable, moderate, and fair, but over the last four years, a large section of the club's supporters have persistently defended Suarez's cheating, and come up with dozens of increasingly lame, embarrassing excuses to justify his behaviour.
Many of these fans will passionately support England tonight, and if Suarez's cheating leads to Roy's boys being knocked out of the World Cup, the same fans who've ignorantly defended the Uruguayan will be foaming at the mouth over the injustice of it all, and their rank hypocrisy will be exposed for all to see.
Sometimes, it's important to hold the mirror up to nature, and fans who endlessly rationalise cheating deserve to see their national team suffer as a result of something they so actively and shamelessly encourage.
If Gerrard et al go out of the World Cup as a result of cheating, will LFC's England fans react with the same self-interested magnanimity they display whenever an LFC player cheats? Will they defend Suarez by desperately concocting elaborate 'explanations' underpinned by a series of incrementally spurious justifications?
Will they hell.
The fans will be spitting blood; Suarez will immediately be designated persona-non-grata, and cheating will magically become the most reviled aspect of the game. You most definitely will not hear a single fan insist that Suarez 'did it for his country, so it's okay!'.
I hate cheating. It is a growing cancer of the modern game, and the reprehensible enabling attitude that allows it to prosper is out of control. When the malignancy gets to this level, a severe shock to the system is exactly what's needed to snap people out of their damaging mass delusion.
You reap what you sow. If - as an LFC fan and England supporter - you've ever defended, justified, condoned, or attempted to rationalise blatant cheating, then you can have no complaints if England get knocked out of the World Cup tonight as a result of cheating.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and although cheating is a massive negative, it could lead to positives, including:
* A massive debate about the evils of cheating in football. The hypocritical English media - which happily ignores cheating when it's perpetrated by English players - will get in a tizz and demand change.
* Many devastated fans who've encouraged this damaging practice in the past (or ignored it because it gives their team an advantage), reconsidering their pro-cheating stance.
* Fans finding it harder to defend cheating in the future. Most will be aware of their own hypocrisy, and many more will be called on it ('but you complained about Suarez cheating in the World Cup, so why are you defending X, Y and Z now'?)
For me, that potential sea-change in opinion is worth one act of cheating, and the end definitely justifies the means.
Over to you, Luis...
N.B. If this post offends you, good. It means that you're a cheat-apologist, and the truth hurts.
Author: Jaimie K
did you just awaken from an "angry nap"?
ReplyDeleteHold on tight!
ReplyDeleteBiggest piece of rubbish I've ever heard
ReplyDeleteI confidently predicy that no one is going to fall for this again!
ReplyDeleteIt's hilarious reading your rants. Absolutely laughable. You just write stuff to get noticed. Simple as.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't seem like hypocrisy IT IS hypocrisy. If you condemn cheating you condemn it entirely and shouldn't promote it any case, especially not to add weight to one of your own points. It's that simple.
ReplyDeleteThe handball was wrong no doubt, but that's no excuse for your stance here.
89th minute Danny "Effin'" Welbeck dives and wins a penalty. Gerrard takes the penalty hits the post, knocks the rebound in with his hand to win the match.and England then go on to win the WC. JK expires in an explosion of self righteous indignation.
ReplyDeleteWell i can dream.......
Speaking out against cheating is well and good. It should not be condoned but it can become a winless task if one player is the main subject of many of your articles as well as being flagged everytime someone else cheats. It can easily become a crusade and those who understand what Crusades were at a some point in history will understand how a principle no matter how justified to the crusader it is, a line can be crossed and that very crusade to 'enlighten' becomes persecution of the so called wrong doers. Please note by saying 'enlighten' I am not justifying in any shape all form the effect crusades had but just repeating the word that was used to justify them.
ReplyDeleteHandball is a foul. In the penalty area its a red card offense and penalty
ReplyDeleteDeliberate trip on a player breaking on goal is another foul normally yellow carded. Question is, why do you pick on one and not the other. The 1st is a rare event due to the strong punishment. The second is a common event due to the lenient punishment. The principle is the same though. So to maintain your position while maintaining the purported unbiased and balanced nature of your reasoning, you have to pick equally on every player which commits a deliberate foul and not just our beloved suarez
your stupidity is offensive to me
ReplyDeleteBye!
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, say Sturridge scores the winning goal with a handball what happens then? Most people will say well Uruguay deserve that!
ReplyDeleteThe fact you refer to him as 'our beloved Suarez' reveals such a lot. You do realise that he doesn't give a damn about you, or even know you're alive, right?
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Hold on a minute... that entire rant is flawed from the get go because it seems to be based on the idea that Suarez is the only player who dives...? Was this written by an Evertonian? A manc?
ReplyDeleteIf so I can understand. But if not, then the writer has to ask himself whether Danny Wellbeck was right to throw himself on the floor the other night, or at any point throughout the season... What about Sturridge? Never dived before?
The game could be decided by a dive tonight, and it could just as likely be an English player who does it.
So, if there's any venom to spit about diving in the modern game, spit it fairly next time and spit it at ALL the players who do it mate. Not just Suarez.
That will be equally wrong.
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I hope Suarez scores the opening goal of the game with his elbows, then Sturridge and Sterling reply with a goal each, using their knees and napes...
ReplyDeleteDone with your obvious bias and trolling, can't believe this is classed as news on news now. Tine to look into contacting them.
ReplyDeleteI agree, although I wouldn't see many England fans (Even anti Liverpool fans) calling for Sturridge's head if this happens, which seems to suggest to me that it is ok to cheat if it benefits your own team. I hope either doesn't happen as i hate cheats but it would be interesting to see peoples opinions if the Latar were to happen.
ReplyDeleteYou're spot on. If what you outline happens, the majority of England fans won't care; they'll lionise Sturridge, and make all kinds of excuses why it's okay, including the following:
ReplyDelete* Uruguay deserve it.
* He broke the rules, he didn't 'cheat'
* It's not Sturridge's fault, it's the referee's fault.
* Don't blame Sturridge, blame FIFA
Etc ad infinitum
There's no excuse for cheating, or justifying cheating, either.
ReplyDeleteJamie you continue to play the man and not the ball. At least argue his points on various punishments vs various infractions. But you harp on the last 2 words of the paragraph.
ReplyDeleteYou didn't answer his question on purpose, didn't you?
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to talk about sportsmanship when you aren't involved in it ...
You should experience such a game first before speaking so lightly ... you don't know what you would do in the heat of the moment even if you think you do (you don't) ...
The other thing is ... because you don't intend to do something like Suarez, doesn't mean he has no right to do it ...
You may not like his actions, but this game was between Uruguay and Ghana and Suarez chose to try and give his country a small chance to progress to the next stage by foul play.
It's not cheating, it's foul play!!!!
It has nothing to do with you personally, except for the perception of how the game should be played in your opinion.
It's as simple as that!
What question? You are another apologist who is making excuses for cheating.
ReplyDeleteBy every definition in the known universe, Suarez cheated. If you viewed this situation reasonably, you would not be trying to argue that he didn't cheat.
I don't care how FIFA rules couch the issue - it is cheating. End of story. If you were on the opposing side, and it happened to you, there's no way you'd be using your current argument. That's the hypocrisy of it.
I play football, and have played for over 25 years, and I don't need to play in a World Cup quarter final to have an opinion on whether a player cheated or not.
I don't need to address those points. They're irrelevant. Plus, the poster is simply rationalising cheating once again, like so many others. Additionally, I've addressed those point a hundred times in other threads, and I don't have the inclination to repeat myself.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who makes excuses like the poster you mention, or tries to find ways to rationalise Suarez's handball, is encouraging and condoning cheating.
Nearly everyone of the England team has cheated at some point.
ReplyDeleteI would rather see six goals. Head, shoulder knee, toe knee and toe.
ReplyDeleteSuarez "The Musical"
ReplyDeleteno star player cares if any of us are alive or dead. kinda argument is that? doesn't mean we cant love players of our choosing.
ReplyDeleteYes, you can 'love' whoever you like, but these players don't need such rabid, obsessive, irrational 'love' from fans, and I doubt they want it, either.
ReplyDeleteI don't care how FIFA rules couch the issue - it is cheating.
ReplyDeleteSee ... that's the problem I have with you ... it's only your opinion that holds any worth to you, so it doesn't matter what anybody here says ...
You act like you were locked in a dark room all by yourself for a very long time ...
I feel sorry for you - err, I would be lying, if I meant it seriously.
Or m@sturbating on webcam. But thankfully Ashley Young didn't make the squad.
ReplyDeleteIt would be hard not to see the funny side though if Suarez liost out to some "accidental" cheating
ReplyDeletethat is correct. but no one would care to see it that way. that is why we always idolize our favorite movie stars, athletes, and even football teams. what good is it going to do me if Liverpool win the league? it's not gonna earn me any money. and yet i pray that they do win the league. it's a matter of the heart.
ReplyDeleteYeah he peaked too early
ReplyDeleteLoving a team, a concept, or a thing, is different to rabidly deifying another human being. In my view, fawning over footballers/celebrities etc is pathetic, and unhealthy, especially when it becomes obsessional, to the extent that it leads to serious judgment failures.
ReplyDeleteI have no comment of my own to make, so will instead quote the late great Bobby Robson, surely encapsulating pretty much what we're all thinking; "We don't want our players to be monks. We want them to be better football players, because a monk doesn't play football at this level." Pure poetry.
ReplyDeleteyeah
ReplyDeleteHaha. Good stuff.
ReplyDelete“I hate cheating. It is the cancer of the modern game”. I don't know how old you are Jaime but as someone who has been watching football for a long time I can tell you it isn't a modern trend, it has probably gone on for as long as football has been played it just appears to be happening more often as replays are shown from every conceiveable angle.
ReplyDelete“a sharp shock to the system is exactly what’s needed to snap people out of their damaging delusions”. If you think that Luis Suarez scoring by fair means or foul is going to suddenly change anything I'd have to say you are the one who is deluded and by banging on about the ills of the modern game you just sound like a footballing version of Mary Whitehouse!
Just enjoy what is an amazing sport which you clearly love and let the people who officiate the games do their job.
I have also been watching football for a long time, and the level of cheating nowadays is 1000% worse. Yes, there have always been cynical fouls etc, but diving, feigning injury etc is the modern face of football cheating, and it decades gone by - in the UK, at least, - such things were practically unheard of (in my experience)
ReplyDeleteFootball is not an 'amazing sport' anymore because it's spoiled by constant cheating, and part of the reason for that is fans like you who just give up and accept it.
it doesn't need to be this way. Cheating prospers because fans accept it. If fans refused to tolerate it; booed their own players for cheating; protested against it etc, it would soon vanish from the game.
JK has been waiting four years to write this article.
ReplyDeleteI never thought I'd get the chance ;-)
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I got a nice laugh out of this.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed reading this.
ReplyDeleteNot a grasping at straws. Good, solid opinion backed up by reason.
Despite what I may have thought about the Suarez post from the other day, this is one of the better posts I've read since I've been coming here.
Quite enjoyable. I'd actually enjoy seeing the fallout and how fans and the media would react if something of the sort took place.
Well done, JK.
you've got half your wish...
ReplyDeleteYou missed the point
ReplyDeleteSo Hodgson sticks with Welbeck for what?
ReplyDeleteI am not an England fan but how this player made it to the WC and then gets selected ahead of the likes of Lallana, Milner and Barkley is just laughable.
Milner had a heck of a season for Man City. For him not to be starting is a crime.
ReplyDeleteI still believe England will win 2-1. Sturridge and Sterling to score next...
ReplyDeleteDo the England defenders even know what marking is? You'd think they would have learned after Suarez' first goal...
ReplyDeleteNo cheating required. Suarez really tore us a new one. And he's not even fully fit.
ReplyDeleteawful defending though
ReplyDelete"I hate cheating, its a cancer of the 'modern game'. It has never existed before? This is an obscene statement, correct me if am wrong!
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed Jamie's reference to Gerrard handing the Premier League title to Chelsea... (History repeating itself)
ReplyDeleteNaivety and ineptitude don't go unpunished at this sort of level.
ReplyDeleteWell i guess it was in vain
ReplyDeleteJust lost my sense of humour......such that it was
ReplyDeleteHas any team lost their first two mayches and gone on to lift the WC. We could be on the verge of history here.
ReplyDeleteI agree it is an analogy that lacks sensitivity.
ReplyDeleteHaha. Good one.
ReplyDeleteaint going to lie a bit of bitter sweet match love knowing that england is made of up of LFC players but going to say this once ROONEY and WELBECK do not play team ball. Welbeck never even looked to his left for Baines overlapping run and rooney was trying to take on 3 players by himself. And who cares about cheating I been laying the pipe on other hoes while my ring is on my finger. Jamie you just mad that Uruguay had some balls and passion in their game.
ReplyDeleteThis article shows how far removed from football reality you are! For a start most Liverpool fans don't support England, even local fans consider themselves souse not English
ReplyDeleteadditionally most England fans hate Suarez
think about it
Singing i did it my way .
ReplyDeleteSuarez has just taken England to the cleaners wonder how many great games he will have to play before hes world class according to JK.
ReplyDeleteThank you today Liverpool you defeated England.
To be honest I thought sturridge dived more times than Suarez tonight
ReplyDeleteThe reason that rant 'may sound like hypocrisy' is because it is hypocritical.
ReplyDeleteThis article is beneath you.
By the way Suarez took the time after the match to tell Stevie G that he should forget his mistakes, and that he was the best player he has played with.
he said that he felt Stevie's pain.
NOT the thoughts or actions of a man you describe as such a unprincipled unethical *cheat*
This fact might be ignored by JK, as these type of gestures don't help him write anti-Suarez articles
ReplyDelete(May in JK's eyes I have the cancer.... so call me 'WALTER WHITE')
Keep quiet you... it's more than enough we get Suarez threads on this topic...can't handle the Sturridge ones too. You'd think Suarez bite JK's lollipop lady as a child, really goes to town on these articles.
ReplyDeleteHaha I know. Maybe Suarez ran over his dog
ReplyDeleteIf he wasn't at man utd he'd be nowhere near starting
ReplyDeleteI think the diving, the stalling and the fake injuries are all reprehensible. The deal is lots of teams are doing all the above, world cup or BPL or the pro leagues. On this stuff, there isn't even close to the number of deserved yellow cards handed out for all this shit. The refs adding time on when the momentum is broken by chronic fake injuries is frustrating and exhausting to watch. It ruins the game. That all said, the pointless rant against the England team and Suarez, who is only ONE of the hundreds of other contributors seems a bit psycho and especially beneath you JK............
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ReplyDeleteJaimie, is that you?
How much can Gerrard be blamed for the second goal? I don't understand the blame he's getting. I know it came off his head but Jeez Suarez was left completely exposed..
ReplyDeleteFabulous post and tie in to the late great Freddy Mercury! Thing is, Suarez is straight; but the photo work is still fantastically creative!
ReplyDeleteWhat A twat you are, if any English/scouser thinks that cheating biteing scum should come back to england you know ENGLAND to earn our/your money for cheating then you really are fucking stupid. Shoot the cunt now. Couldn't be arsed to play last game but wanted to beat england the country were he earns his living SHOOT HIM STRANGLE HIM KICK SHIT OUT OF HIM just don't let him back here
ReplyDeleteI understand your point and I agree with it.
ReplyDeleteI took this particular post as simply an unlikely hypothetical angle which would be interesting to discuss.
In fairness, JK has done a fairly good effort in recognizing the positive elements of Suarez's game this year. Unfortunately, over the past month, the site has fallen back into the "Suarez is the worst thing to happen to football ever, and anyone who disagrees with that is condoning cheating and is an embarrassment to the club" mode.
In fact, I would almost wonder what on earth Suarez was doing in that position... if it doesn't go off Stevie's head, Suarez is three yards off side.
ReplyDeleteJagielka and cahill were caught with their shorts around their ankles while Luis was running like a banshee. I suppose that was cheating..........................
ReplyDeleteSo you're blaming Gerrard?
ReplyDeleteNo, not at all. It looked like a fluke play.
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone could have reasonably expected it to carom off Stevie's head like that (including Suarez). The fact that Suarez was waiting for it so far offside was perplexing. My guess is he was as shocked as everyone else was that the ball fell to him.
Not a bad play by Stevie. Just an unfortunate one.
It also boosts the comments activity! it is a business after all!
ReplyDeleteSo you reckon it was an intended pass back?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with you on that point, just whether or not actions actually ARE cheating. Regardless though, this article made perfect sense to me, even if it seemed a bit hypocritical.
ReplyDeleteNo threat for Ibe this guy won't challenge for the first team next season and Ibe is surely in Rodgers plans. Good signing the club is building for a sustainable future. Too many fans have their eye only on next season. Thank God some of the fans here don't have a say in what LFC actually does.
ReplyDeleteHow can you blame him second goal? If he doesn't go up for the header... he get slaughtered for not challenging the ball, and if they score from him not attempting a header...then there is a worse headline in the rags. Say that he still played sh*t.
ReplyDeleteHope Woy's coaching doesn't stay in their systems to long...or BR will be behind for the start of the season (England's pressing is sh*t too)
Ah yeah but that doesn't fit into the fantasy. All this article proves is that JK is the type of guy that can't let go before everyone agrees with him. That must be frustrating because that will never happen. On any subject. As for England, I don't think not reaching the second round is so embarrassing if you're up against Uruguay and Italy. It will be though if they don't beat Costa Rica either...and finally I still couldn't tell why Lallana should be worth 25 million from last night's performance.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is world class. I've never denied that. He fits the definition.
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Typical revisionism. Credit to Suarez for changing his ways, but nthing you've stated changes the fact that he maintains that he will cheat again in the future if he has to, or that he has cheated in the past.
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That's just not true. Suarez brought the Ghana issue back into the public domain, so he should expect a response, especially when he's continuing to justify cheating.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not about people 'disagreeing' with me - that is just the lazy way out. People can disagree all they like, but similarly, I can have my view about that, and practically everyone who disagrees is simply rationalising and justifying cheating.
Yes, it's 'beneath me' to highlight obvious LFC fan hypocrisy. Fans don't like it because the truth hurts, and that's fine with me. What I've described will become a reality at some point in the future, and then people will experience exactly what I've described.
ReplyDeletenah... he'd probably have a chip on his should
ReplyDeleteMy point is there is tons of fakery and cheating, why just focus on Suarez and / or Liverpool. From that standpoint the blame was unfairly narrow when you see cheating in the form of dives and fake injuries everywhere.......
ReplyDeleteWhat sort of question is this? I support Liverpool, so I focus most on LFC. Why is that such a surprise? Cheating by LFC players reflects badly on Liverpool. If Rooney et al cheat, it doesn't sully the club's name, so obviously I'm more concerned when Reds players do it. This is obvious.
ReplyDeleteI also regularly highlight cheating by other teams/players, yet like so many others, you predictably ignore that.
Gerrard needs to be replaced. I love the man, but he is a liability. Please move on from Gerrard. Love your team selection tho
ReplyDeleteplzzzzzz buy ivory coast rightback,,he is very good, fast, skillfull, robust, what more you needed, act fast b4 city buy him!!!!!! leftback of Swiss looks very good also, The left forward of Colombia James Rodriguez plays like Aguero and is young, fast and deadly left leg.. Plzzz Rodgers dont waste the money n buy craps, buy only Quality
ReplyDeleteYou idiot 2nd rate Australia made light work of the Dutch defence for 70 min. Utd will flop again, sneijder won't cope with the physicality. Spain played shit, Netherlands were ok and man utd won't have robben so I dnt see how u can base ur argument on performances over the last ten years. We play good football there is room in our squad. We pay good wages and people are happy at our club. People that don't wanna come shouldn't and I guarentee we will pull a big signing off this summer. Wait and see.
ReplyDeletethankfully he did not cheat to beat a piss poor England side run by world class manager Woy hodgson......
ReplyDeleteI'd rather buy Alexis Sanchez and shaqiri for £40mill and go to bed 8 mill here , 12 mill there , 10 mill here.....look at what happened Tottenham , we need to start signing the finished goods and stop this talented , talented things....where is suso, Ibe , Morgan ,Joao and the defender we sent to Granada ....look at the number of seemingly useless players we signed last season.
ReplyDeleteYou're not interested in a "debate". You have very clear views on what you think deserves to be called cheating and what should be done about it. There is no debate or discussion on this issues as far as you are concerned. Debate require opposing views, different perspectives, and in all cases you simply reject any view that is different from your own. You call people "enablers" and accuse them of being "in denial", "hypocrites" and whatever else you feel like. I've never seen you once admit any kind of change in your views, any learning or development of your perspective. In my view that makes you little better than those you accuse. You're hopelessly stubborn and your rants add nothing to the issue. You just polarise opinions and wind people up. It contributes nothing and achieves nothing.
ReplyDeletePlease wait a bit longer before judging if we are after the Right Class of player!
ReplyDeleteMost world class players won't even think about transfers till after world cup and neitherneither will there clubs, a good perform will put the prices up!
So nobody worry to much till a few weeks after the final!!
And that only reinforces my point. In this hypothetical you're using cheating to further your point, i.e. justifying cheating because it furthers your end of proving your point. In essence you become as bad as Suarez. It's not cheating done by you, but it'd be cheating on your behalf, and you' gain and advantage from it.
ReplyDeleterodgers sucks at transfers. period. if we lose suarez it wont look good for us. Only after yesterday i really since it happening.
ReplyDeleteWe nned to learn from Durtmund on transfers. We need the upcoming proven players and amazing bench players like Firmino, Coentrao, Montoya, Sanchez, Blind, Parejo. I don't know about how Can plays, but Lambert is not a good enough signing.
We must get Firmino who can also play striker and another strong midfielder for first team. IMO we need someone better then 34 old Gerrard.
Right jk, when a defender commits a foul to stop a counter attack and recieves a yellow card that's cheating. When a player leaves a bit on a player, that's cheating. When skertal hand balls in the box or pulls a player down that's cheating. Committing offences in critical moments of the game happen in EVERY GAME and every player does them, obviously not in every game.
ReplyDeleteIf you say sureaz is a cheat so is everyone else.
Or you accept its part of the game and players take the punishment to help their team and the fans.
Yet you have justified cheating by prioritising it. I tried to make the argument that players like Carra have in your eyes been cheating their entire careers but you then tried to justify by saying its a matter of priority and then moderated my posts....
ReplyDeleteHe is not on another planet, he is clearly playing his trade in the lesser of league of English football. He may have talent but that does not mean he worth the anything above about 6 million. That is with the extra 2 million added as he is eligible to play for England. All in all he is decent prospect but not the answer to our problems, he is another long term investment if we get him.
ReplyDeleteOn another note, Gerrard must be dropped for England, not for his mistake as these things happen, but for the reason the weakness in the defense cant carry him as he lacks the mobility he once did, added to the average defenders behind him England leaks goals at crucial times. As we do not have top quality pairing at CB we need to have players with real engines in the center of mid, players like Hendo and Milner, or Wiltshire if he can evercome his 'mr glass' like ability to pick up knocks and injuries. It is the least of all the evils taking all things into account
Van Gaal is their current manager, duh.
ReplyDeleteYou stated the following about Van Gaal "He works well with youngsters, but not very well with older players"
ReplyDeleteI replied that Robben, Sneijder and Van Persie are not young players. All 3 playing very well under Van Gaal and all 3 have nothing but good things to say about him.
Your reply makes no sense at all. Much like your previous post :)
Careful guys, if you disagree too much you will just be placed on moderation.
ReplyDeleteJK is a hypocrite simply because he is more then willing to prioritise cheating in order to complain about some players but not about others.
For example a player like Carra who in JK's opinion has cheated in nearly every game he has ever played in is not worth talking about but Saurez who once handled a ball 4 years ago is.
Jamie do you not understand that if Suarez had done something perceived as cheating to defeat England his supporters wouldn't care less. The only fans who would be bothered are those from rival clubs who can't stand him and sing derogatory songs about him anyway! The press would have a field day but they give him a hard time anyway, hence Suarez 's after match comments! He showed yesterday what he's all about, pure passion and more desire to win than any England player. Certainly no contrived silly dance celebration. So in a nutshell this article has no relevance!
ReplyDeleteIbe has nothing to fear from this new signing. Ibe is being groomed as a forward/winger. Teixeira is more of a playmaker. Alli is a straight out box to box midfielder. Competition breeds excellence. Sign the kid up!
ReplyDeleteMy guess is he misjudged the power he put on it, and never expected Suarez to be playing 3 yards off side where it landed.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, it wasn't a bad play. Just an unfortunate result.
It's the way you characterize him that's the trouble. You dismiss behaviour which disproves your long - held opinion of him, either through sarcasm, or more often through claims of irrelevance. Suarez is no more a cheat than 99% of players now that he has decided not to throw himself to the floor as he did previously. the facts are that he did something against the rules, and the consequence of that act was missing the semis for him, and denying Ghana a legitimate goal for the opposition.
ReplyDeleteIt is also a fact that you have sought to categorize *cheating* into degrees of severity, arguing that the most serious should be dealt with first. A reasonable stance.
Who is the arbiter of which offence is in the worst categories? You? you have constantly maintained your view that handball is in the worst category, if it prevents a goal. But Suarez' admission that it was a premeditated act which he would repeat seems to elevate him to the overall status of cheat, despite pretty much ALL professionals *cheating* routinely, which you sometimes say is relevant, sometimes not.
So please enlighten us as to which player (besides yourself of course, though we can't check whether it's true or not) is NOT a cheat?
And also why are some deliberately deceitful acts of cheating ignored by yourself and the media, but others are highlighted?
You love to ignore such things as irrelevant
My point to Mike was that the site has a tendency to fall into a certain "anti-Suarez to the nth degree" mode.
ReplyDeleteI look at the post from last week as an example. We had a rumor of going after a player from Ghana (I forget who to be honest); the whole post was about the player (background, stats, quotes, etc.). All good information.
Yet, you you managed to take the end of it and try to turn it into a controversy with a quote from a Ghana teammate stating how much the team hates Suarez and would the rumored player be able to get along with him at LFC. On top of that, you led the headline with "Suarez Conflict?"
I understand that on the surface, it could be an interesting angle, but I don't believe anyone really thinks that a player would refuse to play for LFC because Suarez , currently one of the top strikers in the world (IMO), is here. He's not going to say, "Well, the money was there, Champions League was there, the playing opportunities were there, but then again, so was Luis Suarez, and I can't bear the thought of being his teammate because of the World Cup 4 years ago".
It's your site; I respect the fact that you write about the topics that are of interest to you. You don't cater to the masses and you are willing to criticize the club, players, and fans. But, sometimes, it goes overboard with the anti-Suarez topics. In the past month, I feel like the whole anti-Suarez topic has been brought up at least a half dozen times (including at least twice this week alone). I understand Suarez has been asked the question and he's responded. I don't believe he's said anything different in the past month than what he's said in the nearly 4 years since the last World Cup. It's old news.
To be clear, I have no issue with criticism of any players or fans of the club if it's warranted. I'm not condoning his actions. I'm just agreeing with the application of the rules, and that it's over and done with from there.
As I stated the other day, I'm not discussing the Suarez "cheating" with you anymore (at least specifically as it relates to the Ghana handball).
We simply disagree on the subject. You say it's objectively cheating. I say it is subjectively not cheating.
We generally agree on many topics related to the club. This is one which we don't.
I say what I think. You say what you think. That's fine. It's a good debate. But the debate (on this particular issue) has nowhere to go from here.
Cheating prospers because referees accept it.
ReplyDeleteIf you really wanted to write about cheating as the plague of modern football, you wouldn't need to look any deeper than watching the entire Italian team, to a man, in every match they play. They are largest group of divers, whiners, and crybabies ever assembled in one team jersey I have ever witnessed. Their conduct has been an embarrassment ever since I have begun seriously watching international football since the early 80's. Their conduct in today's match has been the same with the deck-hitting after every loss of possession, writhing on the ground in order to stop play. It is shameful and the ref allowing it is even more shameful.
ReplyDeleteB Rodgers claimed after we achieved Champions league at end of season, it would open up the flood gates to bring better class players to the club of certain calibre.
ReplyDeleteYet we have brought in two players we could have brought to club without Champions league football: E Can(21) and R Lambert(32) , why is B Rodgers trying to spend another 4-8M on potential?
He has spent over 50m on potential since his reign at club and most of them have not been successes
J Allen(24) Welsh Xavi 15M good player but 8-10M player at best and squad player only
F Borini(22) Good striker, but not a top 1-5 club striker , should be sold this summer brought for 10.5M
Yesil(21) Descent striker, but not good enough for first team cost club 2M
L Alberto(21) descent player but not a first teamer and will not hack the physicality or speed of the premiership. Brought for 6.7M and before anyone defends him,he is same age as Coutinho(21) and older than Sterling(19) so if he was good enough he would have played.
O Assaidi(25) class quality winger but not a top 1-5 club player, he was brought for 2-3M and should be sold this summer
M Sakho(24) Good solid defender but young and nieve at times and he will be top player in future but was he worth 18M, more like 10-12M
T Llori(20) good class mobile quick defender, has excelled out on loan but will have to bulk up in the gym and become a lot more stronger to succeed as centre back in first team in the hardest and toughest league in the world. He was brought for 7M, He should be kept as in next two years he may be a main stay in side.
B Rodgers needs to start buying class quality players with experience and who are better than what we currently have on bench and are a match for our best players at the club
Justice served. Costa Rica played the better match and the better team won.
ReplyDeleteBernie is good. A pleasant change to see Jack Black in something decent.
ReplyDeleteI think you could reasonably expect it to be a possibility. It isn't likely, but it is very much a possibility. That's what makes Suarez such a good poacher. He anticipates the potential flick. You can tell it is deliberate because he makes these runs so often. It is easier to tell if you're at the game than on TV, because unless something comes of them, these runs don't get televised really.
ReplyDeleteExhibit A--The entire clown-act, diving, rolling, cry-baby Italian team.
ReplyDeleteWe're going to spend money on a kid from league one? And we won't spend money on Jordan Rhodes because he hasn't played in the PL?
ReplyDeleteBut a Suarez post/headline attracts views and comments. Why else would this site be so obsessive? It's not rocket science, compare it to other non Suarez topics
ReplyDeleteSo I should stop sending him flowers on a weekly basis?
ReplyDeleteWhy would it impact Ibe when they play in different positions? Ibe being a winger and Alli playing predominately in central midfield?
ReplyDeleteThat's like saying signing a central defender like Lovren would reduce the playing time of a fullback like Johnson's/Flanagan's/Enrique's playing time. And asking whether or not Alli is needed when we have Ibe is like saying we have Sterling so why sign Emre Can. They have a different place in the team.
Alli is more likely to impact Coady/Allen than Ibe.
That is why Inzaghi was (and this is hard for me to say) a great player...
ReplyDeleteYep. One of the great poachers.
ReplyDeletewell that's what Man U fans do when it comes to Liverpool you daft b@stards , wake up
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