The Adam Lallana transfer saga continues apace, and the coveted midfielder now appears to be applying pressure on Southampton to let him leave this summer. The question is, will he end up at Liverpool or Tottenham Hotspur?
According to the BBC:
"Lallana has told [Southampton] he wants to leave.
"He has not put in a transfer request but has made his feelings known.
"Liverpool have made a £25m offer for the 27-year-old".
Southampton are currently managerless, and unless the Saints bring in a renowned, world-class manager, I can't see Lallana being persuaded to stay at St. Mary's.
He's gone, it's only a question of when, and to where. Is it possible that Spurs will gazump Liverpool yet again for a primary target? Not according to Sky Sports 'sources', who claim:
"Tottenham are not planning on making any bids for Adam Lallana. Liverpool are determined to tie up a deal for Lallana before he flies out to Miami with the England squad on Sunday night".
Why would Lallana choose Spurs anyway? Irrespective of Mauricio Pocchetino's presence, Liverpool are clearly a far more attractive option at this point; the Reds are on the rise, and due to Daniel Levy's triger-happy approach to management, Spurs are constantly destabilised.
In my view, though, £25m is a ridiculous transfer fee. Rodgers obviously wants Lallana big time, but it's paying over the odds, which is - contrary to popular opinion - something Liverpool do quite often under FSG (Allen, Sakho, Carroll, Downing, Henderson etc).
Additionally, a £25m fee will put major pressure on Lallana to perform. It doesn't matter how good he is - Liverpool is totally different to Southampton, and the weight of expectation/massive fee could ultimately end up being counter-productive.
Having said that, Lallana - recently described by Pocchetino as 'amazing' - will be a great signing, and if reports are to be believed, the Reds could end the week with Lambert, Moreno, and Lallana on the books.
Author: Jaimie K
According to the BBC:
"Lallana has told [Southampton] he wants to leave.
"He has not put in a transfer request but has made his feelings known.
"Liverpool have made a £25m offer for the 27-year-old".
Southampton are currently managerless, and unless the Saints bring in a renowned, world-class manager, I can't see Lallana being persuaded to stay at St. Mary's.
He's gone, it's only a question of when, and to where. Is it possible that Spurs will gazump Liverpool yet again for a primary target? Not according to Sky Sports 'sources', who claim:
"Tottenham are not planning on making any bids for Adam Lallana. Liverpool are determined to tie up a deal for Lallana before he flies out to Miami with the England squad on Sunday night".
Why would Lallana choose Spurs anyway? Irrespective of Mauricio Pocchetino's presence, Liverpool are clearly a far more attractive option at this point; the Reds are on the rise, and due to Daniel Levy's triger-happy approach to management, Spurs are constantly destabilised.
In my view, though, £25m is a ridiculous transfer fee. Rodgers obviously wants Lallana big time, but it's paying over the odds, which is - contrary to popular opinion - something Liverpool do quite often under FSG (Allen, Sakho, Carroll, Downing, Henderson etc).
Additionally, a £25m fee will put major pressure on Lallana to perform. It doesn't matter how good he is - Liverpool is totally different to Southampton, and the weight of expectation/massive fee could ultimately end up being counter-productive.
Having said that, Lallana - recently described by Pocchetino as 'amazing' - will be a great signing, and if reports are to be believed, the Reds could end the week with Lambert, Moreno, and Lallana on the books.
Author: Jaimie K
Kind of sad seeing him have to force a transfer to leave a club which gave him so much, but that's football I guess. 25 million does seem quite steep too.
ReplyDeleteLook his is good player but not 25 mil
ReplyDeleteLook at torres with us you cant keep player that doesn't want to stay.
25mil is stupid money Add 5 mil and go for Fabregas
25mil or so is way too steep for a 27 year old that has just hit the big time, and just recently made the England squad. For hat amount of money we could got in Kono and Son Heung Min. Why not get the Korean guy he younger, more of a goal threat and will bring us that extra revenue from the east.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with you JK is that you consider all potential transfer fees as being ridiculous: Moreno, Lallana, Lovren. It is the market that dictates fees. Once a club knows a big club are interested in one of its players, they will hold out for big money, otherwise the player stays put.
ReplyDeleteBored of this already, give them a time frame, If it is not concluded by then...................walk away.
ReplyDeleteI understand where your coming from but I think Southampton have had quite a lot in return from Lallana also. There's then the story that they're ignoring his calls and as club captain you'd like to think someone at Saint Mary's would be able to pick up the phone and talk to him. Considering he's kept quite quiet about the whole thing and if it true that Southampton were holding out for £25 mil and that's now gone up to £30 mil now that the £25 mil has supposedly been met I can see why he might be a little peeved at the clubs board.
ReplyDeleteWhy do people persist with paraphrasing my inaccurately? I've never once stated Lovren's fee is 'ridiculous' - I actually said it's 'comparatively affordable', so please get your facts straight. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIt makes very little difference if Southampton have a manager or not. Why would a new manager change how they handle Lallana or Shaw? As you say, unless that manager is some kind of superstar there is no convincing Lallana to stay. The situation is quite clear and I think Southampton are just being stubborn for the sake of it. Now if they truly believe Lallana is worth 30 million then fine, stick by that valuation. I just think it's insane. 20 million is already a generous fee and the add-ons should have gotten the deal done. Southampton are going to gain nothing by hanging on longer unless their only goal is to simply not let Lallana leave. In that case just say emphatically that he is not for sale, tell the player and let everyone get on with their lives. Otherwise they will soon learn that this is truly a final offer from Liverpool and frankly the sooner we move on from this the better. He's a good player and I'd be happy to see him here but for that kind of money I think we can do better. Remember that Suarez and Torres both came for less. No change Lallana is better than either of them.
ReplyDeleteShaqiri and Valbuena are just as good if not better and half the price!!.
ReplyDeletei totally agree. 25m is fifa 14 money
ReplyDeleteThere is not much diffence between Liverpool and Spurs, over the last few seasons.U aint Chelsea
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of Lallana, but agree that the Saints are asking too much. A lot of media outlets are saying this is because of the 25% sell on clause for Bournemouth, but that's not our problem, is it? We should only pay what he is worth to us. I also think the £27M Utd are allegedly going to pay for Luke Shaw is plain insanity, but then they pay Rooney £300K per week, so maybe they are insane.
ReplyDeleteBut back to us. We still need to find value in the market. We did this with Coutinho and Sturridge. I agree Lovren makes a lot of sense. We have a lot of English players in the squad now, so don't need to worry about quotas or our identity. So let's get a Sanchez or Shaqiri instead.
1 good season at his age doesn't make you worth £25m+ Whereas Fabregas is proven Season in and out and at top clubs and in Europe GET FABREGAS tellSoton to keep Lala
ReplyDeleteEven if Lallana hands in a transfer request does not mean Southampton are going to bend over backwards. They will only let him go at the price we have offered.
ReplyDeleteOur £25m bid was a take it or leave it. I cannot see us offering another penny on top of that which makes the deal dead.
Now it is about the media having their fun with this story. It is going to go on and on and on until the window has finally shut.
Saints owe Lallana nothing. He was paid well for what he has done for them, given the captaincy as well, and only signed a contract last year.
ReplyDeleteThe Saints are a growing club who have provided a platform for some of their current crop to shine. In addition, their academy system is marveled at. Why should they say 'Oh we are just a mid table club so we will sell you whoever, for whatever'? They have lost players like Bale and Alex Ox for cheaper fees, so IMO they have every right to try and get the best deal for their best player. It's no different to how Liverpool went about the most recent Suarez transfer saga.
ReplyDeleteEveryone accepts 25M is over the top. I personally don't care if we sign Lallana or not, but we should take a smarter approach like bargaining in Aspas or Alberto, or adding potential financial add ons to sweeten the deal.
Saints have said emphatically that he's not for sale but no one ever listens obviously.
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone want to be Chelsea?
ReplyDeletePlus kept quite quiet!? He's asking for a move 2 days into the tranfer window and making it public
ReplyDeleteWho are Chelsea?. My old school team could park 2 busses and keep any team at bay for 90 mins. Liverpool in the last 12 months played the best football in the epl. Maybe they didnt defend well at times but were great going forward and would rather pay to see them than 1 - 0 to boring boring Chelsea. As for Spurs that why LFC beat Spurs who are according to you the same as LFC 5 - 0 at WHL. LFC will improve their defence this term as well as their attack. I cant mait to see them kick Mourinho in the arse.Spurs are a joke.
ReplyDeleteAnother one to add to the list of Liverpool's overpriced British buys....
ReplyDeleteThe Allana transfer saga began with sources from Southampton or Liverpool releasing details of a potential deal to the press OR informed press speculation. (Perhaps there's no difference between those two) I believe the FA should require clubs to make no public utterance on prospective transfers until agreement is reached. It has become tiresome to read the 'uncle Tom Cobley and all' views about where various players may or may not be going during the transfer window. When the press speculate they should be required to name their source/s.
ReplyDeleteIf we are to believe all we read Southampton's team will be decimated by the time the new season starts. That's simply not fair on their supporters.
This public auction must stop!
Regarding Alberto...
ReplyDeleteAnd Castro (Sevilla President) has now admitted that Liverpool are indeed interested in taking Moreno.
"It's true that there's interest from Liverpool and we're waiting
to see if that turns into a reality, which right now, it isn't," Castro
told the club's television channel.
To me that suggests that maybe a bid hasn't even been made?
We would have to buy him first.
ReplyDeleteRead that i am not sure what to make of it but i thought the bid may have been not what they want as far as dollar amount.
ReplyDeleteB Rodgers should add £7m to the £25m offered for A Lallana(26) and bring in I Rakitic(26) of Seville.
ReplyDeleteI Rakitic(26) is needed more than A Lallana(26), I Rakitic(26) should be brought to the club at all costs. CM
With a DM: Y M'Vila(23) Of Rubin Kazan for £8-£10M instead of E Can(21) Of B Munich
A Lallana(26) is good but he is a £15M-£20M player, he is not A £25-£30m player.
B Rodgers has over spent already on average players:
£15 J Allen(24) when he is £7-£10M signing
£18M M Sakho(23) when he is £10-£12M signing
£7.7M I Aspas(26) when he is £3-£5M Signing
£6.7M L Alberto(21) when he is £2-£4M Signing
B Rodgers should add £7-£8M on top and bring I Rakitic(26) to the club instead of A Lallana(26)
There are other targets out there who are better options cheaper and younger, and to get the likes of Shaqiri or Griezmann they will have to forget him and get on with it.
ReplyDeleteNot so sure this will go the whole window.
Indeed. Aside from Sturridge and Couthino, Rogers' record in the transfer market is pish...
ReplyDeleteThe press have been trying to undermine Saints all season. It's an absolute joke.
ReplyDeleteha ha ha ha ha ...you're right we're aint chelsea....ha ha ha ha ..thank the lord..
ReplyDeleteAs a Reds fan, I congratulate Southampton for their tough stance. I don't like it, but I think it's the right thing to do. Two things should come out of this hopefully. One, all clubs will know it's not a walkover to get Soto players, and two, we have time to seriously think whether we really want Lallana. If do get him, we'll know exactly how to play him in the side.
ReplyDeleteThe rumours will go on though even if LFC have pulled out.
ReplyDeleteSevilla officials now in Liverpool??...............so say the Spanish press.
ReplyDeleteagree with you jamie, he is a good player and would be a great addition to the team, but for £25 million?...the agents etc know that Liverpool are in the market and we are going to be quoted silly price tags for any player we look at
ReplyDeleteOh...please be Rakitic.
ReplyDeleteBrendan wants to play at pace. Valbuena (who has no pace, mind you) will not be an immediate replacement for Lallana, but Coutinho. Shaqiri on the other hand is more of a winger ( direct replacement of Sterling). Brendan wants to play 3-5-2 more often (similar to Juventus). Valbuena and Shaqiri will not track back as much. We'll get slaughtered as a consequence; remember Emirates in November? I believe Lallana is to play more of Joe Allen's position with more penetration going forward, or play Henderson's position and Henderson take Allen's position. That's just my two cents.
ReplyDeleteTransfer window starts July I think
ReplyDeleteYou are right we are not Chelsea and we know it. But it is still nice to be reminded occasionally so that we can give thanks all over again.
ReplyDeleteBoth
ReplyDeleteOne word: Leak
ReplyDelete£25 million is worth it if he fits our scheme and can thrive in it, which by all accounts he should be able to do. People talk about Fabregas but in truth you're paying more for a player who won't press and shirks defensive responsibilities and with our defense that's the last thing we need.
ReplyDeleteThat would not seem to be a problem in the fantasy football world. Apparently we can sign all the top players regardless of whether they are what we need, they want to come to us or their club is willing to sell.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, we aren't ChelSKI...and God willing we never will be. ChelSKI should aspire to be a club worthy of all the silverware LFC has. Until then and until you rid yourself of that mafiaski boss of yous, don't bring up your wannabes in the same sentence as LFC.
ReplyDeleteBale didn't cost that much because his talent was spotted whilst Southampton were playing championship football. One great season in the premiership and the price trebles. If he does come to us let's hope he lives up to expectations but for me for that amount I personally would look elsewhere . For the kind of money were talking about is expect a top marquee signing like Sanchez although we've got no chance of him coming to us as I believe he'll be staying at Barca but it was just an example of the standard of quality and experience you'd expect or should get for the sort of money that Lallana is going to cost . It's taking a risk just like Kenny did with so many overpriced British players that didn't pay off.
ReplyDeleteDoes it? 9th June according to Wiki. Lambert managed to leave outside the window then.
ReplyDeleteThree words to the publisher; Who told you?
ReplyDeleteI never said Saints owed Lallana anything! just stating where Z has said Saints have given him so much that that has been reciprocated with his standard of play as you said he's paid to do a job but then so am I doesn't mean I owe my company anything.
ReplyDeleteJust read wiki and it's even more complicated than that.....The formal date is 1 July but deals can be completed once competitive fixtures are over. For Manu that was around Chrstmas then ..............
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, the only two players referenced that we overpaid for at the time were Allen and Carroll (and we knew that we were overpaying at the time) but there were somewhat extenuating circumstances why the club did it (albeit they weren't good enough reasons).
ReplyDeleteDowning was coming off a season as Villa's best player. And Henderson was seen as an up-and-coming player. Plus the fact that they were English helped drive up the price.
And then there's Sakho. I think there could be an argument made here for overpaying (though I disagree with it). He wasn't playing regularly, but he is still an international player for a major country. So I didn't have as big of an issue with the price for him.
You can sign players before the window opens but it's not official until July 1
ReplyDeletePandle, A Lallana(26) is a very good player. But is he world class? Is he proven? No?
ReplyDeleteB Rodgers should bring in two world class attacking players:
1: I Rakitic(26) Of Seville for £25-£33M CM
2: A Sanchez(25) Of Barcelona for £22-£26M RWF
And then B Rodgers should start shipping out the dead wood average or injury prone players or players who have gone on loan he does not thing are good enough need to be sold to bring in more class quality players:
OUTS:
GKS: B Jones (32) P Reina(31)
CBS: K Toure(33) S Coates(23)
RB: M Kelly(23)
CM J Allen(24) DM L Leiva(27)
AM: L Alberto(21)
RW O Assaidi(25)
FDS: I Aspas(26) F Borini(22)
Those 11 players should bring in 40-50M to club on player sales.
B Rodgers should then prioritise these 5 positions:
GK RB 2 CB LB
GK: M Vorm(30) Of Swansea for £3-£5M
RB: S Aurier(21) Of Toulouse or N Clyne(23) Of Southampton for 6-10M
CB: D Lovren(24) Of Southampton for 10-15M
CB: S Caulker(22) Of Cardiff for 5-8M
LB: A Moreno(21) Of Seville Or B Davies(20) Of Swansea for £7-£16M
A Lallana(26) should be brought to club if B Rodgers still has cash left for him after the players above are brought to club.
100% agree with you. I'm a huge lallana fan and actually was talking about us needing to sign him up in the summer back in Jan...but 25mil??? Thought we'd learned our lesson about making over the top bids
ReplyDeleteIf you want any Southampton players then if Southampton decide to sell anyone It will be Southampton who set the price, All the players are under contract in fact Lallana only signed a FIVE year Contract last year so has 4 years left. Even if he puts in a transfer request Southampton Do Not have to sell him. The fee could be 40 million after the World Cup let's face facts Southampton could sell him to anyone if he wants Champions League football It's not only Liverpool who are in the Champions League, Moscow could be a good shout. Southampton hold the cards not Liverpool or the player. Also Adam if you read this You used to be my Sons favourite player along with Rickie You arnt now. If if was up to me you would be put back in the Dev squad and not played for the next four years How would that help your England career sod the money.
ReplyDeleteYou dropped the 'e' in 'aren't',or have you moved it to the development squad also?
ReplyDeleteNeat touch.
ReplyDeleteTorres Suarez yes now tell me how much was Carroll ? Just move on his price goes up after World Cup so move on move on with hope in your heart.
ReplyDeleteSorry I thought this was a Liverpool forum so dropped the e befor it was nickd.
ReplyDeleteHe can't force a transfer he is under contract - he is only one year into a five year contract. Southampton don't need the money so he cannot force a transfer.
ReplyDeleteWe have not offered a straight cash sum of 25m...we have offered a package that over the length of his contract, depending on the level of success we attain, that will accumulate to a figure no more than 25m and no less than 15m.
ReplyDeletePlease get your facts straight before criticising the clubs' policies, as many of your readers are not privy to the true nature of business of football.
This information is freely available by a number of reputable persons associated with Southampton FC, Liverpool FC and the Media
I bet your company didn't pay for your heart surgery as a child though. Technically you would owe your company something if they had trained up your exprtise. It would be in your contract to say you owed all the training money back or couldn't leave to a rival company.
ReplyDeleteSevilla president Jose Castro said the following
ReplyDelete"What I'm clear about is that we'll not force anyone to stay at Sevilla.
"Whoever wants to leave can do so, but we'll be the ones setting the prices.
"This club is experiencing a time of economic stability and we don't need to sell.
"We're going to be firm about this and we'll only consider selling outside the market, which gives us the opportunity to make our team competitive."
Whoever thinks there is a chance of Rakatic coming to LFC should maybe wipe the idea out of their thoughts straight away.
Let's say Sevilla want £20m for Moreno then they are probably going to want £35 to £40m for Rakatic. We are not going to blow almost all our budget on one player.
How many Saints players do you need, jesus. And 10m and 6m for Lovren and Clyne is optomistic, I'd say even 15m and 10m is optomistic considerring the Lallana fee.
ReplyDeletePlus Borini is class and Lucas Leiva is great for Liverpool.
Foiled again!
ReplyDeleteWho defines their values? You?
ReplyDeleteyeah like spurs nicked pochettino
ReplyDeleteBlasphemy!
ReplyDeletethere's a lot of sense in what you say, but southampton dont hold all the cards, if they did there would be no negotiations. but if a player wants to leave and a club wants him why would'nt you ask for as much as you could get. right know sevilla reps are doing just that marca.com reporting that Moreno has agreed terms with Liverpool and is now sunning himself on the beach while the Liverpool and sevilla suits thrash out a fee/deal and how its paid.
ReplyDeleteI think we need D Lovren(24) CB and N Clyne(23) RB more than we need A lallana(26) AM.
ReplyDeleteLovren(24) will cost club £12-£16M
N Clyne(23) should cost £7-£10M
And no more
F Borini(22) is average and so is L Leiva(27), If F Borini(22) was class and quality B Rodgers would never have let him go out on loan.
L Leiva(27) is average, slow, immobile and does not fit B Rodgers style of play
I don't define the values, its just a rough estimate and what they should be valued at.
ReplyDeletehes 26 Jaimie
ReplyDeleteLallana will be a very good signing..if liverpool did sign him,i believe he will contribute loads of assist n goals in 4 years...25mil is a fair amount for his service but 30mi will be too much...thats my opinion n i'm not an expert
ReplyDeleteI reckon 20 mil would be about right. 25 is pushing the boat out a bit, any more I would pull the plug
ReplyDeleteAgree with pretty much all of this
ReplyDeleteBut not what Saints value them at, which is much higher.
ReplyDeleteBorini is out on loan because LFC only had 1 competition this year and Borini wanted to play, not because he's no good. I suppose that means Lukaku isn't any good either because he's out on loan? You're talking crap.
At least Ayre cannot be blamed if we do not sign Lallana.
ReplyDeleteHow do you know what these players should be valued at?
ReplyDeleteIf Shaw has a price tag of let's thumb suck £30-£35m there is just no way Clyne will cost only £7-£11m.
ReplyDeleteLogan, defensive players do not cost more than attacking players in general. Your goalscorers and attackers will always be more expensive than defensive players.
ReplyDeleteI estimate what they are worth considering transfers around.
Zabaleta(29) is the best right back in league and he cost man city £6.5M 4 years ago.
N Clyne(23) is class quality full back but he is not worth more than £11M
It is not for you to decide what these player are worth.
ReplyDeleteSouthampton will decide what the asking price is no matter how much you try to convince anyone.
L Shaw(18) is not worth £20M, but he is hot property because all the top sides in Premiership left backs are either injured, on way out or simply not good enough.
ReplyDeleteSouthampton now Man United are desperate, so they have said he is £25-£35M considering Man United was £64.5M on J Mata(25) and M Fellaini(27) in January and still finished 7th they can ask that ridiculous amount and as Chelsea are sniffing around him also. Southampton can set what they want, we are not desperate for N Clyne(23), we have G Johnson(29), J Flannagan(21) and A Wisdom(20) so if we get stupid price set our way, B Rodgers will not do business.
It is not for you to decide what a player is worth.
ReplyDeleteBob, would B Rodgers ever let any key players go out on loan?
ReplyDeletePlayers who the manager does not feel he needs who needs game time he loans out, or if he thinks they are not good enough.
O Assaidi will be sold, L Alberto will be loaned out this season then sold next season.
Would he ever let sturridge, coutinho, Henderson, Sterling go on loan?
F Borini(22) is not good enough to compete or to cover D Sturridge(24) or L Suarez(27)
So what, B Rodgers should bring in two left backs for 14M instead of spending £17M on one:
ReplyDeleteB Rodgers should bring in these two class quality good attacking Left backs :
B Davies(20) Of Swansea for £4-£6M
R Bertrand(24) Of Chelsea for £5-£7M
B Rodgers should offer £25-£33M with I Aspas(26) in deal and we will get I Rakitic(26) for sure
Yes, yes, yes. That is why Alberto Moreno has already been confirmed as a Liverpool player?
ReplyDeleteYour 'for sure' is unfortunately not convincing anyone.
What makes you think your estimates are correct? I'm not trying to pick on you. But what if I say Twistadee bought Rakitic for 30M when he should be 20-25M? You just putting a new value for players are they performed not as good as you would like in the past year .
ReplyDeleteTrue. Tbh I've been very impressed by our transfer dealings up to now. We've been decisive, I like the targets we're going for and I think lambert is an excellent piece of business. I said at the start of the transfer window that I felt lessons would've been learned from previous transfer windows and up to now they seem to have been. I feel our club is in very good hands right now from boardroom to manager to captain and I for one am feeling as positive about Liverpool as I can ever remember feeling
ReplyDeleteWhat we need is minimum direct competition to Enrique, ideally an upgrade on him. Moreno definitely offers the first and hopefully the second as well. On top of that we have Robinson returning from loan and Johnson and flanno can both play left back so why would we sign TWO new left backs rather than spend more money on one top left back. Makes sense to me
ReplyDeleteI'll still blame him. It's an LFC tradition now. Got to keep it going strong.
ReplyDeleteSent from Samsung Mobile
I blame him for signing Coutinho and Studdidge too then :-)
ReplyDeleteRakitic(26) was probably in the top three centre midfield performers in La Liga. He was better than Fabregas, Herrera, Alonso, this season. The only midfielders who played on par or better than him all season consistantly was Koke and Modric.
ReplyDeleteI am not deciding but that is their estimated worth, without being ripped off. J Allen(24) was never a £15M player, if J Shelvey(21) was £6M.
ReplyDeleteL Shaw(18) is not proven, until players regularly perform to a high standard in the top competitions year in year out( League, Fa Cup, Champions League our Europa League) They can not be priced in the world class bracket.
ReplyDeleteI hope Southampton get relegated next season due to their greed and arrogance, which I'm sure they will, whether Lallana stays or goes!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLallana should provide dynamic forward play but longer term I see him moving into Gerrard's deeper lying role. This is the one area where the team has no cover and SG's absence would force a change of system. It seems vital that someone can come in who is effortlessly comfortable in possession and has a wide range of passing - I believe BR sees this in AL.
ReplyDeletegot to be joking, how bitter and unrealistic are you.
ReplyDeletebecause a club and fans have lost a good manager and now losing there best players, how pleased would you be as a fan??
southampton are a good club and have been through a lot and were a credit to the league last season.
you need to grow up
Agree 100%, add to that the fact that this deal is beginning to sour relations between the two clubs & i think we need to take a step back & seriously
ReplyDeletere-evaluate the situation if we want to sign anyone else from them. They won't be too receptive to us if all this continues & we attempt to sign Lovren or anyone else from them.
Apparently the fee includes a lot of add ons, which is part of the problem (for southampton)
ReplyDeleteThey're already in Miami. Strong research. He wont be leaving before the world cup.
ReplyDeleteForget Lallana; get Rakitic. get a leader AND a performer...............
ReplyDeleteLallana is a leader
ReplyDeleteMentioning Carroll as some kind of benchmark for transfers means you obviously don't have anything interesting to say. It was a dumb transfer, everyone can see that now. It's not rational to compare any subsequent transfer to that.
ReplyDeleteI think you'll find that moving on is exactly what Liverpool will do. That's good for Southampton because the player will almost certainly stay. No one is going to pay more than 25 million for Lallana. That's not supposed to be an insult, it's just a realistic appraisal of his worth. Liverpool will find another similar player for similar money and maybe everyone will be happy.
I'd like to see the direct quote. Everything I've seen from them has been along the lines of "we don't need to sell any of our players" and "we will not partake in any transfers until a new manager is in place". If Lallana is not for sale then the response would be "Lallana is not for sale". If they've put a 30 million pound price on his head then that's the exact opposite of saying he's not for sale. If there is something I'm missing then I'm happy to be enlightened on this but there is quite a difference between holding out for the right price and simply not selling a player under any circumstances.
ReplyDeleteOf course they have that right. But if the player isn't worth the money they are asking for then Liverpool should move on. I don't really care what Southampton do and I'm happy for them to keep all their best players, I'd just suggest that Liverpool not waste time trying for a player who will only be sold for a price that is well in excess of what he's actually worth. I'm really starting to think that the best way to resolve this is to simply stop trying. We've offered a good deal, they don't think it's enough so let's stop talking and get on with someone else.
ReplyDeleteWe just disagree......I think Rakitic is better offensively, defensively and a more dynamic force all around.
ReplyDeleteThat's why we should seek Carvalho.
ReplyDeleteTwist,
ReplyDeleteYet again to are spot my man! You and I have been tirelessly pounding the table Rakitic and how much more useful he is than Lallana. Would you take Carvalho at DM as part of the acceptable search?
Of all the over-priced stiffs you listed, the only one we should think about keeping around is Ilori. I have seen some footage over this year and he looked good, although looks skinny for a central defender....
Twist, EXACTLY. Sanchez and Rakitic. Then 100% defensive skills the rest of the way.
ReplyDeleteIt does not matter whether Shaw is or is not world class. Southampton will decide what Shaw gets sold for. That is the reality no matter how much you want to put your spin on it.
ReplyDeleteHe's been there since he was 12? That means he's given them 15 years of his career and considering his age, they should respect that this is probably his last chance to take a step up in his career. They can't offer him what we can and they also know they won't be able to in the future. Shaw, now there's a different story. He's only repaid them with two seasons and he should stay and repay them some more. Still, I think we should pull out for the fee alone. 25 million is about 10 million more than what he should cost imo.
ReplyDeleteAnd do you think Southampton have not profited from what he's done on the pitch? I'll be the first to say footballers are paid FAR too much money but it's not because they're extorting it from their poor old clubs. It's because the clubs are extorting it from us poor old fans and they just claim their piece of the pie.
ReplyDeleteHenderson was a bargain as he's got what it takes to forge a career with Liverpool for a further ten years at least. 20m for an England international that could play-out his career at Liverpool. No overpaying there. Sakho, French international and captain, young too. If he lives up to potential and shows adjustment to the league, that's 10 years as well, possibly. I have to agree with Carroll, Downing and Allen. But then, there is Coutinho, Sturridge, Suarez, Enrique and Lambert that suggest FSG aren't that bad, and were perhaps naive coming into the sport and club three years ago. 25m is a lot for Lallana but since we've covered the striker position with just 5m, I think there's room for overcompensation elsewhere. If Liverpool sign Lallana for 25m you could look it as 30m for Lambert and Lallana - not bad.
ReplyDeleteI think Carvalho(22) Of sporting lisbon would be great addition but he would cost the club £25-£30M and he is not yet proven, so that would be huge gamble.
ReplyDeleteBut one player i over looked that would suit B Rodgers style of football who is available for under £8M who is class quality football player is E Banega(26) Of Valencia.
But B Rodgers will need to be fast as Pochettino and Poyet are battling it out as we speak for his signature.
He is an Argentinian international, we could bring a world class footballer to club for under £10M. He is available for £6-£10m
And anyone who has watched him play will know he is world class player, just he fell out with the new manager at Valencia and shipped out on loan to Newell Old Boys last season.
Those are the two world class attacking players we should bring to club this summer, then the rest of the players should be class, quality defensive players.
ReplyDeleteIf he has signed , he has signed but i hope he is worth the inflated price we spent on him. As if he does not hit the ground running straight away, it will be another waste of money. As we need players who will hit the ground running straight away, not to come and be worse than what we have.
ReplyDeleteAnd i think and feel a fully fit injury free J Enrique(27) is the best full back defensively and offensively at club.
He can join LFC before the world cup starts.
ReplyDeletei heard domestic window opens 1st June, worldwide window opens 1st July, but i could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteWe don't disagree. I think Rakitic would be the best signing by far. To be a foreigner as captain of a Spanish team is the biggest indicator of his abilities...more so than even his considerable ball skills.
ReplyDeleteYou say Lallana isn't a leader, but he is also captain of Southampton who have punched way above their weight class this season...doing it in their second year in the PL with a squad of largely their own Academy players. I say we should go for both.
In a 4 tourney season, competent MFs are the guys that get you deep into all those tourneys and they are the guys you tend to run out of quickest for injury, fatigue, etc.
Having proven leaders on the field in every tourney is precious quality to have. If we can also get Shaqiri or Kono...all the better.
I think you missed my point completely.
ReplyDeleteMoreno has not been confirmed as a Liverpool player yet and is the reason why I said you claiming that we will for sure sign Rakatic if we offer Aspas and £25-£33M is not reality.
I will believe Enrique is back when he steps on the pitch. However, I think he will not. LFC had to send him on some international doctor search to see if anything could be done for him. At best he comes back slower and without his already mediocre ball skills.
ReplyDeleteI never said footballers were overpaid. And no Saints didn't profit purely from Lallana, it's a team game. In all honesty in his first season in the prem he looked like he was struggling to make the step up and got dropped a few times. Yes he was good in League 1 and the Champ but our whole team was above that level. One good season later and he wants to jump ship even though Saints gave him the captaincy so he would get more confidence and up his game.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note I'd much rather the players got paid the money than the already rich owners. Footballers bring joy to billions of people. Apart from actors I can't think of any other job with a comparative wage which brings joy, in fact most that do are ruthless industries and some even destroy lives.
Starting to think Clattenburg was right
ReplyDeleteHis last chance? He's 26! It's his FIRST chance
ReplyDeleteThere are multiple quotes saying Saints wont sell anyone the manager wants to keep. Obviously not having a manager any more doesn't help, or other clubs repeatedly tapping up, or feeding stories to the press to destabalise Southampton. Obviously everyone has a price though, even if they aren't for sale, hence £30m, which frankly you can have him for in a heartbeat seeing as he's being such a dick about the whole thing
ReplyDeleteIf you offered £400m for Messi he would be for sale.
And how many more seasons like the last one do you expect Southampton to have for him to shine in? They're a club up for grabs and without a manager. I'd be surprised if they finish inside the top 10 next season.
ReplyDeleteLallana doesn't have a wide range of passing at all. He's very attacking.
ReplyDeleteWow, you would have made a great Roman. Give them bread and games. Football players are severely overpaid because of the simple reason that society can continue perfectly well without them. If you consider what teachers, nurses or firemen are paid, I don't think footballer's wages still make any sense. Lallana has improved because you improved on your manager. From a British dinosaur who can get you out of the Championship but no further to a young, ambitious one with a positive approach to football. Basically what we did but without the favorable starting position. I'm sure given the right backing, Pocchetino could have brought you even further. Sadly, Liebherr's daughter needs shopping money so we'll never know.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is A Moreno(21) is class quality full back on up, the chairman at Seville wants bidding war for him so he pipes up.
ReplyDeleteI Rakitic(26) is class quality player , but do you think A Madrid, Barcelona Or Real Madrid are going to spend over £32M on him when they have these players at their disposal: Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi, Song, Alonso, Illarramendi, Isco, Kheidra and Modric, Gabi, Diego, R Garcia, Koke and Tiago.
The only person who is claiming I Rakitic(26) has got offers is his dad, why hasn't sky sports news or bbc sports football news mentioned it. As the dad is trying start bidding war for his son
If B Rodgers bids £25-£33M i think he can get I Rakitic(26) to the club. Not reality, but i think he could and would come.
I hope, pray and think J Enrique(27) will be fully fit and injury free come pre season. He is the best full back we have at club, so for you to claim he has mediocre ball skills.
ReplyDeletewhat ball skills do the likes of G Johnson, M Kelly, A Wisdom and J Flannagans have then if J Enrique has mediocre ball skills?
As he has far better control and skill than any full back we have at club
Like I said, it is about reality which brings me back to the part where the selling club will set the asking price no matter the opinion of a fan.
ReplyDeleteWe can think Rakatic will go for £25-£33m but in REALITY we cannot be sure otherwise Alberto Moreno would have been a Liverpool player by now.
I thought we were talking about LB's.
ReplyDeleteJ Enrique(27) is the best full back at club, whether left or right and he is better on ball than all the other full backs.
ReplyDeleteI am saying if B Rodgers puts that offer in, we could get I Rakitc(26) nothing in this world is for certain apart from three things: Birth, Death and Taxes.
ReplyDeleteBut if B Rodgers was to offer £30M and I Aspas(26) i think we would get I Rakitic(26)
Prat.
ReplyDeletePer this post, signing by Sunday night. It's getting pretty late.............
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