Luis Suarez is an absolute genius on the football field, and like all Reds fans, I love watching him play, especially this season, where he regularly produces moments of exquisite footballing magic. I am also critical of Suarez for, amongst other things, his 'gamesmanship', and cheating, most notably at the 2010 World Cup. The Uruguayan has immeasurably improved his on-field behaviour this season, but it's no surprise that he - and many others - choose to brazenly cheat, especially when such behaviour is condoned and encouraged by fans, and other players. It's a depressing state of affairs, and comments today from Suarez's Uruguay team-mate Diego Forlan simply underline once more the (seemingly) irreparable sickness eating away at the modern game.
Speaking to The Telegraph today, Forlan hailed Suarez as a 'warrior', and went on to PRAISE and CONDONE the Uruguayan's handball against Ghana.
"He [Suarez] handled the ball on the line. He did it for the team and the world saw it. When the referee showed the red card, Suarez looked at him innocently and asked: 'Me?'. He knew it was him, but there was a 0.1 per cent chance that the referee might not. Suarez took that chance. I realise not everyone agrees with that 'win at any price' attitude, but to us in Uruguay he's a hero".
Absolutely disgraceful and irresponsible comments. No wonder football is in the gutter with ignorant, out-of-touch, morally-corrupt simpletons like Forlan actively encouraging and enabling cheating. Is that what Forlan plans to teach his own children? Lie and cheat to get ahead! Who cares, as long as you gain an advantage!
In what perverse universe is someone be a 'hero' for deliberately cheating, and then lying about it to the ref? It's a diseased mind-set, and will provide weak-minded fans with yet more subconscious justification for defending Suarez's cheating. And it IS cheating, which is defined by the Oxford dictionary as follows:
"To gain an advantage over and/or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods"
The typical fan excuse is that Suarez merely broke the rules (!), but in the grand scheme of things, it is cheating, irrespective of what the (narrow and localised) football guidelines state. Suarez deliberately tried to gain an advantage using unfair and deceitful methods, ergo it is cheating.
Suarez is not the issue here, though. That incident is in the past, and he's clearly matured since then, and deserves great credit for that. This is NOT an article about Suarez per se; it's about the increasingly corrupt mentality of football, and the wilful perversion of fair-play, which promotes a debased 'win at all costs' attitude, all of which is killing the game.
As far as I'm concerned, Forlan is - in a footballing sense - persona non grata now, and the same applies to anyone with a prominent profile who chooses to use that platform to encourage and condone cheating. Impressionable kids will read his comments, and the underlying principle of 'cheating = honourable/heroic' will be absorbed into their psyche, thus creating the next generation of football cheats.
If UEFA had any balls, it would fine and ban Forlan for his comments, which arguably bring the game into disrepute. Alas, football's alleged governing body is as spineless as cowards like Forlan, who would rather cheat to win a game than work hard to triumph in a fair manner.
We'll see how England fans feel in the summer if Suarez - or another Uruguayan player - cheats in a World Cup game, which consequently leads to England being knocked out of the competition. I'm a great believer in karma, however, and Forlan's attitude - as well as Suarez's cheating - will, sooner or later, come back to haunt Uruguay.
NOTE: Disagree by all means, but do so in a civil manner. Additionally, as per the site rules, anyone who shamelessly condones cheating (like Forlan) will automatically be banned. This site has a zero tolerance policy on cheating, so if you want to encourage that, go and do that on some other LFC site.
Author: Jaimie K
Speaking to The Telegraph today, Forlan hailed Suarez as a 'warrior', and went on to PRAISE and CONDONE the Uruguayan's handball against Ghana.
"He [Suarez] handled the ball on the line. He did it for the team and the world saw it. When the referee showed the red card, Suarez looked at him innocently and asked: 'Me?'. He knew it was him, but there was a 0.1 per cent chance that the referee might not. Suarez took that chance. I realise not everyone agrees with that 'win at any price' attitude, but to us in Uruguay he's a hero".
Absolutely disgraceful and irresponsible comments. No wonder football is in the gutter with ignorant, out-of-touch, morally-corrupt simpletons like Forlan actively encouraging and enabling cheating. Is that what Forlan plans to teach his own children? Lie and cheat to get ahead! Who cares, as long as you gain an advantage!
In what perverse universe is someone be a 'hero' for deliberately cheating, and then lying about it to the ref? It's a diseased mind-set, and will provide weak-minded fans with yet more subconscious justification for defending Suarez's cheating. And it IS cheating, which is defined by the Oxford dictionary as follows:
"To gain an advantage over and/or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods"
The typical fan excuse is that Suarez merely broke the rules (!), but in the grand scheme of things, it is cheating, irrespective of what the (narrow and localised) football guidelines state. Suarez deliberately tried to gain an advantage using unfair and deceitful methods, ergo it is cheating.
Suarez is not the issue here, though. That incident is in the past, and he's clearly matured since then, and deserves great credit for that. This is NOT an article about Suarez per se; it's about the increasingly corrupt mentality of football, and the wilful perversion of fair-play, which promotes a debased 'win at all costs' attitude, all of which is killing the game.
As far as I'm concerned, Forlan is - in a footballing sense - persona non grata now, and the same applies to anyone with a prominent profile who chooses to use that platform to encourage and condone cheating. Impressionable kids will read his comments, and the underlying principle of 'cheating = honourable/heroic' will be absorbed into their psyche, thus creating the next generation of football cheats.
If UEFA had any balls, it would fine and ban Forlan for his comments, which arguably bring the game into disrepute. Alas, football's alleged governing body is as spineless as cowards like Forlan, who would rather cheat to win a game than work hard to triumph in a fair manner.
We'll see how England fans feel in the summer if Suarez - or another Uruguayan player - cheats in a World Cup game, which consequently leads to England being knocked out of the competition. I'm a great believer in karma, however, and Forlan's attitude - as well as Suarez's cheating - will, sooner or later, come back to haunt Uruguay.
NOTE: Disagree by all means, but do so in a civil manner. Additionally, as per the site rules, anyone who shamelessly condones cheating (like Forlan) will automatically be banned. This site has a zero tolerance policy on cheating, so if you want to encourage that, go and do that on some other LFC site.
Author: Jaimie K
Suarez we all know by that incident cheated and acted like most people when they get caught red handed with embarrassment - with a "me"! Isn't it FIFA who could warn Forlan for such comments or is it UEFA? Anyways the world is getting crappier by the moment and to add in my 'holier than thou attitude' here is a verse from the bible "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil".
ReplyDeleteYou're actually a simpleton. You steal articles from other sites, state your opinion and then negated others from stating theirs. How is that fair? You're the cheat Jaimie.
ReplyDeleteJust a point Jaimie, if you were in the same position as Suarez, you'd have done the same thing. I don't care that he stopped that ball. What got on everyone's tits was what happened afterwards, the graceless, moronic celebration.
ReplyDeleteCheating is wrong, but it's clear you don't play the game for you to have taken the view that you have. Otherwise you'd be criticising Gerrard for his antics but hey-ho, stick to censorship instead of interesting debates.
Lets not discuss something which has been discussed already so many times.
ReplyDeleteWhat Suarez did was not in the top thousand of cheating instances I have seen in sport. I saw a Jockey 20 lengths clear pulling the horse up looking behind panicking in case it never got beat. Players deliberately losing games - yes and close to home too.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but that's absolute rubbish. I would not have done the same thing, and please don't try and tar everyone with the same brush. I *have* been in that situation before (I play football), and I didn't cheat, neither did any of my team-mates.
ReplyDeleteThousands of footballers over the years have also been in positions to cheat at crucial moments, and the majority have not taken the chance.
What happens in other sports has nothing to do with this.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't you think that the continued castigation of Suarez by a so-called LFC supporter regarding his actions some 4 years ago is the height of hypocrisy, if he was a ManU supporter one might understand the petulance.
ReplyDeleteJamie you are so boring....your mock 'disgust' to create a reaction is a little tedious, yes I know...I have the choice to read your articles but pleeease try to come up with something more original than how outrageous Suarez is!
ReplyDeleteSuarez cheated. And that was terrible. I can fully understand if Ghana fans never forgive him - they never should.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of the world need to understand it was nearly 4 years ago and as terrible as it was then, it is history now. Forlan is an idiot for even mentioning it now - Leave it to rest.
Hero, Warrior, Legend! Its not gaining an advantage using unfair or deceitful methods when the ball your stopping is offside, stems from a freekick that was from one of the most blatant dives you have ever seen - at this point its just playing by a different set of rules. When the smallest country in the competition is playing the last African country, in the first African world cup, theres more than just "home" advantage, there's political influence on the ref. Suarez is the victim here - forced to use such tactics!
ReplyDeleteBut you have to admit it's a bit comical, 4 years later and we're still talking about - probably the most memorable moment of that world cup, apart from Forlan's Golden Ball performance and top goals - who should also be said is a Legend, Warrior, and Hero - 2 La Liga's top scorer.
Can't wait for all the Karma of 4 years of demonization by the English (non-liverpool fans) comes full circle!
I've never blamed Suarez for his Word Cup "heroics". What would you do if you could choose? He chose a red card over the out for his team. This wasn't unfair at all. These are the rules of football. He's got red-carded so what?
ReplyDeleteOf course his behavior in a liverpool shirt wasn't acceptable but I wouldn't blame him for THIS one...
Hypocrisy? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Criticising LFC players for breaking the rules is not hypocrisy in the slightest. Besides, this article is not about Suarez (i.e. it criticising him); it's critical of people like Forlan who condone cheating.
ReplyDeletesuarez is world class player man u do not have one player like suarez . Man U will not play C.L near future-HA HA
ReplyDeleteso cheating is confined to a game of football from years ago. since when has a goalkeeper filmed taking bribes to lose a game been another sport. I watched some inexplicable happenings in our team then, they were not inexplicable when I saw that film.
ReplyDeleteMajority Footballers 'cheat' to win ball n game. It is how n when they applied it during games. Keeper,defender,Midfield n yes the most visible ones ,STRIKERS ......... I played the game 20years ago as keeper n defender b4...n yes i 'cheat' to win the ball..... IT just part of the game... If u want to ban me, so be it....it been happening fr decades n will fr next 100yrs more....... U need to be playing the game to know it...PLayers who R committed n giving their best will do wat neccasary to WIN.....ITS just act on auto in the field during 90min.... Thank you YNWA........................
ReplyDeleteI don't deny that cheating happens in all sports, but that has nothing to do with the question of whether Suarez cheated, or Forlan's comments on the subject. You're just attempting to dilute the issue :-)
ReplyDeleteplayin professional football at a world cup compared to 5 a side is a bit different mate.
ReplyDelete1000's of footballers have never cheated? they've never pulled an opponents shirt? never appealed for a throw or corner knowing they've touched it last? cut the sanctimonious bullshit. It's you that doesn't have a clue.
If you felt that strongly about cheating then you'd want Suarez out the club and wouldn't cheer him on...didn't think so. Your morals only fit when you want them to fit.
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Plus, you cleary haven't visited this site that often or you'd know that I have actively encouraged LFC to sell Suarez on countless occasions, and before he even signed, I posted an article arguing that LFC should not sign him. So please, get your facts right.
ReplyDeleteThere are different levels of cheating, just like there are different levels of crime. Going 35mph in a 30 zone is less serious than stabbing someone, and the same applies to cheating. Deliberately handballing in a world cup quarter-final is worse than pulling a shirt, but people like you who condone cheating constantly try and dilute/trivialise the issue.
Football is in the toilet because of people with your attitude.
Jamie I an surprised that you never though it fit to mention that Forlan also said in the same article " I told Luis that when I scored at Anfield and knocked them out of the EUFA cup their fans applauded me" I helped him to go to Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteSorry But it's not Cheating...
ReplyDelete"To gain advantage over and/or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods"
Suarez Didn't gain advantage, He got sent off, Uruguay was reduce to 10 men and Ghana had a penalty kick.
He did that knowing that he would be sent off and everyone could see him do it, so he gained no advantage, didn't deprive ghana of anathing because they had an other, better chance to score a goal and was not deceitful because it was blatant.
it's about culture too for Forlan, do everything to win even give your life, and that's what Forlan laud not the "cheating" part.What annoy you the most is its because your 'moral' code when actually you break it as much.
Making a foul that get you a yellow card is against the rule, therefore it's cheating if i stand by your moral code (i could list endless exemple). In the end i don't really mind anyway it's just your stubborness that in this case is quiet weird.
Forlan said 'I know not everyone agrees with his win at all costs attitude', which is true, and 'in Uruguay he is a hero', which is also true, and you want him banned and fined?? I know it's Monday, but still...
ReplyDeleteAlso, as an ashamed fan of Suarez, the moment of the match for me on Saturday was his Volley that nearly shattered the post. Simply brilliant...
Also, he celebrated the shootout win, knowing he would play no part in the rest of the tournament. Maybe that sacrifice for his team mates says something too
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with the subject of this article? Absolutely nothing. Perhaps I should trawl back through Forlan's comments about X, Y and Z over the last 4 years and include them all too, eh?
ReplyDeleteYep once again the south american mentality, victory for the team is more important than personnal benefit, that's pretty much what every country who have constantly win the world cup ever did.
ReplyDeleteThe typical cheat-apologist's mindset. This is how you and other enablers justify cheating. If, for example, LFC were in the CL final, and lost the game because of a similar thing, I sincerely doubt you would be this magnanimous and understanding. You'd be bitching and moaning about, but that is the hypocrisy of the modern football fan.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Forlan should be more careful about his comments but to be fair from the quote above he merely seems to be saying what actually happened rather than necessarily promoting it - though you might infer that.
ReplyDeleteTurning to the incident itself whilst I too do not condone cheating in any form I do think there is a difference when it is instinctive in the heat of the moment and when it is pre-meditated. For example I don't think Suarez had the time to consciously think through his actions when he handled the ball. it was just an instinctive reaction to keep the ball out at all costs. On the other hand a process of drug taking to improve performance (a la Armstrong) is clearly premeditated and in my eyes far far worse. In between of course there are many shades of grey for example do you leave it to the referee to make a decision or do you point out his mistake even if it was to your advantage? ie do you stand your ground or do you walk? It is very difficult in any area of human endeavour to take a totally moralistic stance without running the risk of hypocrisy or falling short of your own high standards. There are very few of us left that can claim to be perfect in fact I can only think of two of us......
No, that is not true. Every team that won the world cup didn't do so as a result of cheating.
ReplyDeleteWell if one of our player would have win a free kick by cheating (dive) then have a penalty kick and striking it in the sky and then having 30 minutes to win the game 11 men vs 10 and then loose the shout outs after that, i would be really upset that our team didn't take the opportunity to take the game by 3 times there's no one but usto blame for that
ReplyDeleteOf course you'll say that i would not say that, on the moment that may be true (although i can never now) but i'm pretty sure reflecting on that the next day i would be upset on our team letting us down when we had the chance
i did not specifically say cheat i say put the team before the individual in this case (maybe misunderstanding on this one) but anyway, i read a lot of your articles and even though lately i have often agree with your pointin this case that's not the case, but hey we cant agree on everything i guess
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. Disagreement is good, and healthy.
ReplyDeleteThis is sure to get lots of comments and hits. :) The sites policy is...no sniping, insults etc I would say calling Forlan ignorant and morally corrupt is certainly playing the man and not the ball. JK consider your self band from your own site. :)
ReplyDeleteI do not see how the penalty was a better chance of scoring. The ball would have definitely gone in the net had it not "accidentally" hit Suarez's hand but the resultant penalty was missed!
ReplyDeleteI love the cultural bit too which seems to be used a lot to explain "South American" behaviour even extending into racial issues without, it seems, any hint of irony.
I don't believe I've insulted Forlan. It's not personal. Any person who encourages and condones cheating is, IMO, ignorant etc. If I ever did the same, I'd expect to be labelled as such.
ReplyDeleteYou could argue he's played to the rules, in that he's knowingly handled the ball to stop it going in, as a result has been sent off and Ghana have been awarded the penalty. The only time he cheated was by trying to halfheartedly claim his innocence of it. Handling the ball was not in the spirit of the game, but it is to the rules of it. Trying to con the referee afterwards is cheating. He should have just started walking off as soon as he handled it.
ReplyDeleteFor the goal scoring chance : the goal come from a free kick, and between a free kick and the penalty the one that give you the best opportunity to score seems the penalty to me.
ReplyDeletefor the cultural bit :i've never excuse racism by puting cultural difference as an argument although some have, i'm not a long live supporter as some are but the evra incident and the ivanovic incident were ones that hurt me the most as a liverpool supporter more than the Hodgson debalce.
I was far more ashamed of Suarez for his biting incident than the handball 4 years ago against Ghana.
ReplyDeleteThat was what is commonly known as a 'professional foul' And those go on week in, week out in the PL and all other leagues. The last defender pulls back or trips a forward about to go through on goal. Stops a goal. Gets sent off.
MOST importantly, DOESN'T get castigated, is mentioned barely if at all weeks, let alone years later, and DOESN'T get called a Cheat.
If you want to know what should be considered hypocritical, there it is.
And sometimes the foul actually injures a player, and potentially could even end his career.
When did a handball ever do that?
I consider Maradonna's handball against England cheating FAR more than Suarez' against Ghana, which I would Characterize as similar to when Koeman stopped David Platt going through on goal which ultimately put us out of the World Cup. He even stayed on the field and scored later.
When was Koeman's name last mentioned when talking about cheating in football?
no mate, it;s simply because you sir, are a knob ... fact
ReplyDeleteThat's why I think 'cheating' is a very strong word in this circumstance.
ReplyDeleteHandball is a foul. However an outfield player deliberately turning into a goalkeeper to stop a certain goal is cheating. It has to be put into context.
Similarly, simulation is a foul, a culprit would gain an unfair advantage and the act is deceitful, all in the definition of cheating, but it is recognised within the rules as a foul and is most importantly, punishable. You can apply the definition of cheating to any foul within the game. Shirt pulling - unfair, gain advantage...
No point mentioning other incidents, each should be assessed individually. So if Suarez turns into Oliver Kahn against Fulham, I'll brand that cheating, but if Ashley Young goes for another dive, I'll recognise that as a foul.
It was disgraceful and inexcusable. Don't be daft. Ghana is about 80 places lower than Uruguay on the human development index. By that measure Uruguay is to Ghana what Norway is to Uruguay. The notion that Ghana would have any kind of advantage over Uruguay in that match, beyond the advantage in skill, courage, and discipline that were there for all the world to see, is preposterous.
ReplyDeleteHehe.
I guess he put his 'life' on the line for the 'better' of a collective. So in that sense that's kind of heroic.
ReplyDeleteBut I do agree with you, he was still cheating and still wrong.
Football and inevitably the World Cup is a worldwide game. The world is not an extension of England. All countries and regions have their own cultures, morals, ethics etc, and you cannot expect these, sometimes quite wide differences, to not exist.
ReplyDeleteYou have a set of rules for all nations, all teams to adhere to and if the rules are broken you have penalties. I do not believe that Suarez is, or was a racist.
Do South Americans have a different mentality due to a different culture? Almost certainly. Is that a bad thing? Not according to Spock :-) Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.
We should embrace all cultures.
I am a great Forlan fan. I think you should look at all of Diego's actions and not just this one comment he made in his 30 year career (he has been playing since practically out of the crib). I understand that the two men, Forlan and Saurez have a great friendship and have been through "battle" together in a football field. It would be difficult for me to stand behind Suarez with his past racist remarks, and if I did not know the goodness of Forlan, I would agree with this author's article. However, Forlan has done great things for football too, in the graces of Beckham, he has similarly brought new fans to the game who would have never given soccer another look (e.g., me). I hope you will reconsider your position, Mr. Jaime K., and look at the complete man, the small nation he comes from and what this game means in their country, the personal adversity he has come through on behalf of his sister and the pressure he lives with to have each word dissected and then to be tried, judged and hanged without a second thought. Of course you have a right to your opinion, but I think it is a bit unfair to hang Forlan without a proper discussion with him. Why not invite him to your home and discuss this like gentlemen, instead of blanket dismissals of a great player and a decent human being? Maybe you'll teach him something new, and he will be your greatest advocate for a fair game. I have watched Forlan for a long time, and if the shoes had been reversed, he would have definitely given you the benefit of the doubt.
ReplyDelete"Deliberately handballing in a world cup quarter-final is worse than pulling a shirt".
ReplyDeleteThat's your personal view, nothing else.
The shirt pulling could have led to a goal and when the defender isn't punished for his action, then this really is cheating, because he got away with it without facing consequences.
You always turn and twist it, that it suits your arguments, but when
others do it, you describe them as people with low morale standards.
It must be fun to be you, always thinking you know it all and that your views are the only valid ones ...
If a high profile footballers says something like this in the public domain, he should expect his comments to be analysed. If he doesn't want to be accused of condoning cheating, he shouldn't make such ignorant comments in public.
ReplyDeleteYou know what? I didn't even watch the match. I find all this stuff interesting, but also a bit comedic, so I shouldn't get involved where people have serious feelings about it.
ReplyDeleteWill be supporting Uruguay as a second team after England this summer anyway. Can't wait to see Suarez and Gerrard line up against each other; will be a special moment for all Liverpool fans.
Who says everyone has to see things like me? Do you have some kind of insecurity complex? I just give my opinion; I don't demand that others have the same views.
ReplyDeleteDo consider "Professional Fouls" cheating?
ReplyDelete... or teams taking turns fouling a player ... spreading about the cards .. to intentionally nick him up?
... or cleats up knee high potentially career ending tackles?
All of these things seem to be accepted practice in the EPL this season, and receive barely a pip, yet all are far worse than anything Suarez did playing at the last World Cup and none seem ever to be labeled "cheating".
Is a keeper caught out of his box who makes a save to stop a sure goal cheating?
.... and what if Suarez had done the exact same thing that he did, but did it in the opening minutes of the game? ... and the penalty had been converted? I doubt anyone would be complaining about him "cheating", more likely they would be criticizing his "stupidity" which cost his team their chance in the World Cup.
If any of those things are done with an intent to deceive/gain an advantage unfairly, it's cheating (although at varying levels of seriousness). I couldn't care less what the narrow, localised rules of football say; there is a whole world outside the insular world of professional football, and objectively, such behaviour is cheating.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, the ancients held that heroes tend to act in their own interests no matter the collective good, like Achilles: heroism wasn't considered the same as selflessness.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting how those meanings have got confused and switched around; has a lot to do with the spread of Christianity (selflessness) to militaristic cultures which couldn't distinguish between sacrifice and heroism I guess. Hum.
I can't wait to see Suarez et al cheat England out of the world cup. It will be hilarious to witness all the hypocrisy afterwards. All those fans condoning/encouraging cheating will be bitching and moaning about the injustice of it all, whilst being totally unaware of the irony of the situation.
ReplyDeleteDon't be so reasonable Chirag, it's because he was terrified of Aly's death-stare!
ReplyDeleteYou do, because you can't accept other views that differ to yours. It's simple as that.
ReplyDeleteWould it hurt to write to him personally and get his feedback? High profile means he is not a human being deserving a chance of discussion, and possibly meaningful redemption?
ReplyDeleteNo. If Forlan wants 'redemption' he should realise how he's encouraging cheating (and basically destroying the game that's made him a millionaire), and issue a public statement retracting his comments, and accepting that he was wrong to make them. If he doesn't have the self-awareness to do that, he deserves all the criticism coming his way (which 'aint much considering most people feel the same as him!)
ReplyDeleteEverything has to be approved and accepted by you, ain't it?
ReplyDeleteIt's fair you are entitled to your opinion and you have every right to stand by it, but so do others.
Why can't you accept the opinion of others and let it be?
If you want some context, check out the highlights on youtube, there's a 10 minute compilation of dirty fouls by Ghana. You really should look at it, especially the dive and offside just before the handball.
ReplyDeleteI think it is this precise mentality that keeps the game in ignorance. When it is more important to be on a soap box and a high horse, you will never bring about the changes you are seeking in the name of what "you believe" is right. Moreover, it really isn't that important to you, anyway from your behavior, that the game changes in the least in any way. If it were, you would seriously go about this differently. But my attempt at educating you is over. Go ahead and help throw the game you love into the trash with these silly articles that help no one. Good luck.
ReplyDeleteYour article is one sided, without in depth analysis. This is also a form of ignorant.
ReplyDeleteThat is entirely possible! I don't know how much fans in general put at stake in football in terms of serious moral judgements though. It's treated as a place to play, to fool around, where other rules than those which are important in the rest of life have priority, I think. I prefer to read it that way rather than just as evidence of widespread moral incompetence, anyway!
ReplyDeleteSo I don't think for example that El Uruguayo, if we worked together, would lie and cheat his way into a position to put me out of a job merely in the name of competition, would he? Whereas in football that's just part of the fun for him.
...or would he?!
You are such a "lovely" fella. Condemning Suarez as a diver/cheater on every possible occasion and/or situation you can.
ReplyDeleteIt's pathetic!!!!
1) Football is a game. Games are played according to and defined by their Rules. Thus your last comment above seems rather off the mark.
ReplyDelete2) Suarez at the last World Cup and the keeper out of his box are deceiving no one
3) Every foul is an action intended to gain an advantage. Every foul is by definition "unfair". Thus by your definition, every foul is in some way shape or form cheating. That's where your logic takes you, and that's OK if you are consistent with it. I may not agree, but I understand.
Still, if that is your view, then cheating is rampant throughout the game. Why would you waste you time with such a game.
It's Forlan's opinion and he has every right to be entitled to his as you have to be to yours.
ReplyDeleteWho the hell are you to think you have the right to brand his opinion as wrong and making him a scapegoat for destroying the game!!
Spot on, mate!
ReplyDeleteIt's all about him and his views ... I guess he will never learn ...
It'll more likely FIFA as Uruguay isn't part of UEFA :)
ReplyDeleteYou really are one-sided. You erased my meaningful comments to make yourself look good. Hey that is just like cheating to win! LOL Why did I expect any better from you than cheating?
ReplyDeletei gotta side with Pigman on this jamie. i agree with most of what you say. but sometimes the way you go about giving opinions makes us feel you are trying to gag your thoughts down our trhoats. there is no need to lash out. his post seems to have been removed since !
ReplyDeletei gotta side with Pigman on this jamie. i agree with most of what you say. but sometimes the way you go about giving opinions makes us feel you are trying to gag your thoughts down our trhoats. there is no need to lash out. his post seems to have been removed since !
ReplyDeleteI agree with many different points in this article and discussion. Yes Suarez is a top class player and is a leading player in the premier league. But this is not about a players ability or stature in football. It's not really about 'the cheating' aspect, it's all about how an individual takes responsibility for the action/s.
ReplyDeleteNow you can try categorize it by saying this is sport or this is real life, but it all boils down to the same thing.....as this article says.....it's cheating. In a sense it is right, but each action/topic/incident has to be taken individually and assess on many different levels. Suarez did indeed handle the ball in 2010 but for this foul/cheat/dishonesty he received his punishment with a red card and his team conceding a penalty. It the Ghanaians would have scored then this would not be such an issue, if the team Uruguay were playing were a higher ranked team then it also would not have made the headlines it did(due to it being a low standard team). It's is all about each individual situation and how it is perceived or cover by media or even how it is discussed within your circles.
Going to the word cheat, yes it is a cheat but then a lot of things in the world would be classed as cheats. We as a society class different situations as good or bad and what level they lie at. Everyone will do something in their own life that will get them ahead quicker than someone else if it means getting a better deal or whatever it may be. So yes the term 'cheat' or 'cheating' is correct but you can't class it in the same breathe as someone who takes sport enhancement drugs. Can you?
I do believe that things seen or caught after the incident that indicates 'cheating' do need to be dealt with. But remember in football as well as in life there are repercussions and concequences and they will be dealt with appropriately when it matters.
Now coming to point of Forlan, yes what he said is not respectful to the game and to many others. But it is his opinion and he is just saying how he feels. He is not degrading anyone or being hateful. Now he will not win any fans and not make him in to a model player. Freedom of speech wins here I am afraid and we just have to put it down to petulance.
In football as in life people/players try to get away with things or try and get something for free/extra/cheaper or get further to appease oneself. It's how you move on from that. This is what makes football so amazing, that issues can be brought up about anything and be discussed. Suarez did not get a trophy for his handball, maybe respect from his team mates.....but lost a lot of respect from neutrals or other fans but he has matured like many others and as in life reaps the rewards.
Do not take forlans words to heart it's his opinion and he will be judge by others as that is how it works. Handball ad cheating in football and in life will happen over and over again......it's how you take it and deal with it and how you can better you
"Playin professional football at a world cup compared to 5 a side is a bit different mate"
ReplyDeleteNo offence but that comment is absolute rubbish. Look at Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, AVB to name but a few, they never played the professional game yet they are all top managers and Mourinho is rated the best manager in the world at the moment.
"You never have had to been a horse to be a jockey"
Football's not in the toilet. Otherwise you wouldn't bother running a football related site.
ReplyDeleteJamie you must hate Maradona
ReplyDeleteand a whole host of players
ReplyDeleteJamie, how do you feel about players who deliberately foul people just to stop the play, or players that waste time, or players that inch 10 feet up the line on throw ins, or god forbid the player who puts the ball outside the corner marker when taking a corner. Do you think that one form of cheating is greater than another? at some point all footballers cheat, it is the nature of the game.
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to office politics I'm a shark - watch out. Everything is fair game.
ReplyDeleteFor real though, it's a game, sometimes a little guile at the right moment is needed, that's it that's all.
Did you watch the clip yet? Take a look it will change your outlook on the incident.
i personally hope we rest players for the FA cup,i would like to win it,but competing for the title or finishing in the top 4 is more important IMO.It will enable us to attract quality players and money to the club.I just hope we can maintain that level of performance for the remaining weeks,and we will be in the mix.That first half was as good as i have seen in all my years watching football.I LOVED IT!
ReplyDeleteIt just proves there is a really good team spirit in the squad now with everybody fighting for each other. I love it...
ReplyDeletehe needs to get better at marking... although he clearly does enough in general play to prove himself. his defensive set piece marking is dismal to say the least and is exploited by every team e vs cause they all know how shit he is at it too. look at the last 20 or so corners taken against LFC and nearly every one of them travels to skrtel and he loses his marker practically everytime...
ReplyDeleteare you forgetting agger.... hes clearly a more versatile centre halve and has lfc tattoed onto his body. that man at least can mark as soon as the dead ball flys into the box, skrtel may have stopped a tone of goals this season but hes also to blame for a shitload of chances off corners and goals. agger is the definite better option.
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