6 Oct 2013

'I don't understand': Irate boss slams 'bemusing' LFC penalty & Sakho. Ref wrong...?

Crystal Palace boss Ian Holloway has criticised the decision to award Liverpool a penalty during yesterday's 3-1 defeat at Anfield.

Speaking to reporters after the game, a clearly irate Holloway scathed:

"I've just seen it [the penalty] and I'm bemused.

"Was it outside the box and was it really a foul?

"If you want to compare it to anything, Jimmy Kebe is pulled much worse by Mamadou Sakho at the other end.

"If one is a penalty and one isn't I don't understand."


Does Holloway have a point?



It looks to me like there's a definite tug on Sterling's shirt, which forces him to go down, but to be honest, he goes to ground in a rather theatrical manner.

However, it does look like the actual foul took place outside the box, or at least on the 18 yard line, so with that in mind, I can understand Holloway's frustration.

Was it a penalty?

Also, why did Gerrard look so miserable after he put the spot-kick away? No smile or celebration, he just walked away as if he'd just conceded a penalty, not buried one...



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42 comments:

  1. It is not the ref's mistake. It was the linesman's mistake. The linesman signalled for a penalty to the ref.

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  2. We are discussing about the decision itself, not the man. It was very soft IMO.

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  3. Yeah, it was an act and which is not pretty common in modern day. I never thought it was a penalty at first and it was quite a harsh decision but there are only a few such decisions which come our way.

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  4. The Dark Joe Allen...9:41 am, October 06, 2013

    It was a vital foul outside the box imo.

    Again we relayed on a couple of players performances and the game literally could have gone either way.

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  5. Look at the title, it says "Ref wrong"

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  6. Ok, lets argue about Ref vs Linesman.

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  7. Peter from Perth WA10:06 am, October 06, 2013

    It was I agree, a soft penalty by a petulant Dean Moxey but I will never forget a soft tripping by a petulant David Beckham causing him to be Red Carded and consigning England out of a World Cup that I believed they could win. Unfortunately, childish behaviour by some players that are enamored by their own self importance are often punished by officials, therefore it is time we do not make excuses for them but accept the penalty for misdemeanors. Professionals have a job to do and as such are often instructed by the manager to do what is necessary when they have been "skinned" in and around the penalty box, so JK just pretend that you are looking at Suarez and I am sure you will see it was a legitimate penalty inside the box.

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  8. Steven came out after and said that he'd had bad trapped wind in the 1st half. Hence the misery after he scored. Effects us all I suppose.

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  9. it was a harsh decision ...and sterling leaping through the air like a ballerina doesn't hep ......he must be the the only person who through physics when tugged back leaps forwards

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  10. england was never going to win /:

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  11. So often we see refs fail to give penalties for fouls that, outside the box, would be given as a foul all day long. It seems there is a double standard however on this instance there wasn't. This is the kind of foul you'd give outside the box, or not, simply depending on what the ref or linesman felt in the moment. We wouldn't make a big fuss over it but since it ended up a penalty of course there is a lot of attention. It's a 50/50 call and Holloway is not exactly going to be unbiased in his assessment. There is clear enough contact, Sterling goes down as you might expect a guy of his size to do and it's probably very close to being outside the box but, in my mind, the contact itself is made JUST inside the line. The linesman who made the call was on that side of the pitch and had the perfect angle to confirm that. We could argue the point all day but refs have to make calls straight away and I certainly don't think they made a clanger, it was just close.


    Not sure what Gerrard is all about. I suspect he's dirty on himself for not playing so well lately, just as much as any of us are.

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  12. we should have had a pen againts southampton

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  13. Your glorified headlines really outshine the the quality of content in your articles.I always click on your articles attracted by the titles vbut you never make sense with your statements and highlight irrelevant subjects which are obvious to everybody.For example if a foul occurs on the line it's a penalty contrary to what you state so I'm rather surprised with hollow ayes statement like any other knowledgable Liverpool supporter.And so what if Gerrard looked miserable he just conveyed to everyone watching that it was only a pen against palace and its 3-0 game over not a last minute goal in a cup final.So as always you never make sense and write about irrelevant points .Please don't put headlines that mislead you into reading your poor qualit articles .I have tolerated your articles for a few years now so it's not the first piece of crap that you've written.

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  14. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:53 pm, October 06, 2013

    I thought he was just knackered. The 5 yards he ran to strike the pen was the furthest he ran all day.


    Well played Hendo. Again.

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  15. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:55 pm, October 06, 2013

    I just love how people say it was "harsh" when it's Sterling, or "lucky" or "rub of the green" when Sturridge scores with his arm.
    Yet when it's Suraez you can bet the article will just scream : "C H E A T !!"

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  16. The ref ultimately gave the decision, did he not? He could've overruled the linesman. In any event, it's about the decision, not the man.

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  17. Suarez has a history of shameless, deliberate handball; Sturridge does not. As such, the probability of Suarez scoring with his hand deliberately is significantly higher.

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  18. AndWithSuchSimplicity1:30 pm, October 06, 2013

    Sturridge left his foot in a couple of times last season (Chelsea, I think) and has now scored a goal with the aid of his elbow.
    By your rationale, he is becoming a serial offender.

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  19. That's not my 'rationale' at all. Sturridge didn't deliberately intend to deceive the referee by using his elbow; he clearly went in with an honest intention to play the ball, but it hit his elbow. Nothing intentional deceptive (IMO), and there's nothing in his history to suggest he's that way inclined.

    Suarez is the opposite: a long history of deliberately deceptive cheating/behaviour.

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  20. AndWithSuchSimplicity1:43 pm, October 06, 2013

    Yes, but if Sturridge does happen to 'unluckily' knock another one in with his arm then a pattern of deception will be beginning to form. And this site will be enabling him. Really, you could have nipped it in the bud by calling last-week for LFC to offer Sunderland a replay.

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  21. Flippancy doesn't become you. In his entire career to date, Sturridge has never accidentally scored with his hand/arm, and he probably won't again. You can keep trivialising Suarez's cheating, but it doesn't change the the basic underlying point: Suarez has a long history of cheating, and receiving bans for various incidents. Sturridge does not.

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  22. AndWithSuchSimplicity1:48 pm, October 06, 2013

    No, he has a short history of cheating. That will possibly get longer as he learns to get better at it.

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  23. Everybody knew it was a questionable call. I blame the referee. He knew it was questionable as he walked over to talk it out with his linesman. I'm sure he was questioning him hard about the tug and where it was. In the end, as referee, he could have over ruled the linesman and given the free kick just outside the box and it would probably have been the correct call. Sterling, had there not been a tug, would have been behind the defense, in the box with the ball and a clear shot at goal so there is some justification for the PK...but it was a shaky call. SG also recognized it for a shaky call and took no personal pride in burying the PK, showing the necessary professionalism to just do his job in a shaky situation. To have celebrated such an occurrance would have been sleazy and he knew it. His reaction put a damper on his teammates' celebration where it wasn't warranted. True leadership from a true leader.

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  24. It wasn't a penalty however you can't blame the referee as he has to make a split second decision. It was a foul and in respect to the referee he even asked his linesman. Honestly I am getting sick of pundits/anyone really slating referee decisions (on most occasion) saying it was/wasn't a foul/goal etc as he does not have the luxury of a replay. When I saw it, I thought it was inside the box and was a penalty however on further inspection it was shown slightly outside but I got annoyed at the the commentators for going on and on about the referees mistake when he has had to go off what he saw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqAZsoF-ghw Brian Clough slated John Motson just for this and a few other things but Cloughie explains it perfectly.

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  25. He had an elastic shirt on mate :)

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  26. Where do you draw the line Jamie? Sturridge clearly knew he,d put the ball in with his arm yet ran off celebrating a legitimate goal.

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  27. Thats the way football is though. We always hear how the decisions are meant to even out over time. But if you come clean to the ref whenever things go your way youre in deficit.

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  28. the lines constitute part of the penalty area I thought it was a stone wall penalty the asst ref should have put his flag across is chest to indicate a pen but he didn't maybe he told him cos they are miked up so ??????
    but defo a pen

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  29. It was a tad theatrical I have to agree but nonetheless its still a foul, albeit a soft one. As to whether or not it was inside or outside of the box its a really hard one to tell. It does look like contact may have been made outside of the box but sterling looks like he may have his feet at least on the line when his shirt gets pulled which qualifies as a penalty.

    I also was wondering why Gerrard looked so downcast after scoring. He's usually really pumped. Perhaps he didn't feel it was deserving of a penalty?

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  30. Exactly! We do seem to complain all day long about refs not consistently giving penalties for fouls that they would give a free kick for so I think its at least justified to award the pen. As you said a 50/50 call either way there isn't much to complain about.

    Thats a good point about Gerrard. He may very well be disappointed in his overall performance levels. He just seems to lack a little bit of energy these days. He might need to be rested more than he would like this season to get the best out of him.

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  31. or maybe he just had alex"s credit card bill in!!!!!!

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  32. Yeah thats what I thought. He didnt celebrate probably for that exact reason he may not have thought it warranted a penalty or at least it was a 50/50 call. It wasn't exactly a crucial point in the match so dampening down the celebration was definitely the right move in that situation.

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  33. Yep, agreed. If we,d only drawn that game & sturridge had owned up to the ref I'd have been gutted, football will never be 100% clean, never has been

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  34. It was a tough call in whether it was in or out. I think it was probably on the line, well more like the Palace player was outside and Sterling was on the line or just inside. I think the rules say if its on the line then its classed as in the box.
    There was contact, and it was minimal, but you could argue it knocked him off balance? I think he probably could have stayed up.
    It was very similar to the Zabaleta penalty in the Everton game.

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  35. That has to be the best bit of footage I have seen in a long long time.


    Man was a absolute Legend.

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  36. In my opinion he probably was the best English manager ever! How he never was England manager I do not know!

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  37. For the same reason why Harry Redknapp was never made England manager and the likes of Steve 'The Brolly' McClaren, and Roy 'Splinters in my Arse' Hodgson have.



    They are FA Men where as Clough and Redknapp are not.

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  38. The ref really wasn't sure but the lino kept flagging and putting the flag across his chest to indicate a penalty!


    Watching the incident live it did look like a penalty as the player did reach his arm out across Sterling and looked like he was pulling him back but having watched the replays later on it did look soft.

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  39. Was a foul, not a penalty- free-kick on the edge of the box.
    Tough call for the linesman, but I think he did get it wrong.

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  40. Don't you just love "yes men"?

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  41. Same thing.. FA Men = Yes men :)

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  42. I was actually happy with Gerrard's PK response. I hate when players celebrate a PK like they've scored some spectacular goal. It's a PK; you're supposed to score them. The odds are completely in your favor to score. There is no need to run around, dance or acts like an idiot. It's the mark of a pro not to act like scoring a PK is equivalent to scoring a goal for the first time in your life. Gerrard handled that like a pro. No need for anything else in my opinion.

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