Reds manager Brendan Rodgers has accused Arsenal of lacking class over his pursuit of Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, a supremely ironic contention when it's clear that the only person displaying a genuine lack of class in this whole sorry saga is Suarez himself.
Over the last two months, Suarez has touted himself out to both Real Madrid and Arsenal, making it unambiguously clear that he wants to leave Anfield.
Now, according to the Daily Mail:
"He [Suarez] also failed to attend a gala dinner that evening to celebrate Gerrard’s big day, the only high-profile member of the squad not to appear"
The Liverpool Echo further reported:
"Suarez was spotted at Lime Street Station in Liverpool after missing Steven Gerrard's testimonial dinner with team-mates"
Why would Suarez not show his support for Gerrard and LFC by attending his testimonial dinner? What could be more important on that particular day? What was so urgent that the striker couldn't spare a few hours of his precious time to honour one of the club's greatest ever players? Yes, Suarez has a lot on his mind right now, but snubbing the club captain - and by extension, Liverpool - is selfish and disrespectful (IMO).
This failure to attend also makes a mockery of Liverpool's ongoing support for Suarez, and it's a giant knife in the back for Gerrard himself, who has repeatedly supported his team-mate in public.
This is what happens, however, when a club subjugates its principles and philosophy for one player: it invariably backfires. Thanks to Liverpool's damaging sycophantic deference, Suarez is now bigger than the club, and despite his endless desecration of LFC's good name, Rodgers and Ayre continue to worship at his altar as if he's some kind of untouchable messiah. For example, after Gerrard's testimonial on Saturday, Rodgers delivered another boot-licking tribute to Suarez. He gushed:
"We all love him, as a manager, players and supporters. We're trying to keep our best players"
Liverpool further subverted Gerrard's testimonial day by using the publicity to make yet another appeal for Suarez to stay. The club posted an article detailing how Suarez should be 'humbled' by the reception he received from the fans, and put this front and centre on the official website. Why would Rodgers et al take the focus away from Gerrard - a loyal servant for 15 years - and sully the day with yet another reference to Suarez?
Sadly, through it's continuous fawning, and failed (unwarranted) attempts to keep Suarez happy, the club has sold its soul, and lost sight of the Shankly philosophy of what LFC *should* be about.
And why? Because Suarez just happens to be a good footballer (!)
One player's quality should not be more important than the reputation and standing of the club, but Ian Ayre et al have repeatedly betrayed LFC's unimpeachable ethos of always placing the club above the individual, and the Suarez situation is compelling evidence of that.
Where does it end? Just how much disrespect does Suarez have to show Liverpool before the club wakes up and arrests its (seemingly) irreversible descent into servility?
Bottom line: There is an unacceptable weakness at the heart of LFC, and it needs to be ripped out. Things need to change, but real change has to come from the top, and at present, there is NO ONE who in the current hierarchy with the balls to take a stand and reassert the club's superiority over the individual.
Jaimie Kanwar
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Over the last two months, Suarez has touted himself out to both Real Madrid and Arsenal, making it unambiguously clear that he wants to leave Anfield.
Now, according to the Daily Mail:
"He [Suarez] also failed to attend a gala dinner that evening to celebrate Gerrard’s big day, the only high-profile member of the squad not to appear"
The Liverpool Echo further reported:
"Suarez was spotted at Lime Street Station in Liverpool after missing Steven Gerrard's testimonial dinner with team-mates"
Why would Suarez not show his support for Gerrard and LFC by attending his testimonial dinner? What could be more important on that particular day? What was so urgent that the striker couldn't spare a few hours of his precious time to honour one of the club's greatest ever players? Yes, Suarez has a lot on his mind right now, but snubbing the club captain - and by extension, Liverpool - is selfish and disrespectful (IMO).
This failure to attend also makes a mockery of Liverpool's ongoing support for Suarez, and it's a giant knife in the back for Gerrard himself, who has repeatedly supported his team-mate in public.
This is what happens, however, when a club subjugates its principles and philosophy for one player: it invariably backfires. Thanks to Liverpool's damaging sycophantic deference, Suarez is now bigger than the club, and despite his endless desecration of LFC's good name, Rodgers and Ayre continue to worship at his altar as if he's some kind of untouchable messiah. For example, after Gerrard's testimonial on Saturday, Rodgers delivered another boot-licking tribute to Suarez. He gushed:
"We all love him, as a manager, players and supporters. We're trying to keep our best players"
Liverpool further subverted Gerrard's testimonial day by using the publicity to make yet another appeal for Suarez to stay. The club posted an article detailing how Suarez should be 'humbled' by the reception he received from the fans, and put this front and centre on the official website. Why would Rodgers et al take the focus away from Gerrard - a loyal servant for 15 years - and sully the day with yet another reference to Suarez?
Sadly, through it's continuous fawning, and failed (unwarranted) attempts to keep Suarez happy, the club has sold its soul, and lost sight of the Shankly philosophy of what LFC *should* be about.
And why? Because Suarez just happens to be a good footballer (!)
One player's quality should not be more important than the reputation and standing of the club, but Ian Ayre et al have repeatedly betrayed LFC's unimpeachable ethos of always placing the club above the individual, and the Suarez situation is compelling evidence of that.
Where does it end? Just how much disrespect does Suarez have to show Liverpool before the club wakes up and arrests its (seemingly) irreversible descent into servility?
Bottom line: There is an unacceptable weakness at the heart of LFC, and it needs to be ripped out. Things need to change, but real change has to come from the top, and at present, there is NO ONE who in the current hierarchy with the balls to take a stand and reassert the club's superiority over the individual.
Jaimie Kanwar
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jaimie if the echo was reporting on the picture of suarez with a fan at lime street yesterday ,suarez must have the fastest growing facial hair ever recorded,infact he must have a shave after every half of football he plays to stop him tripping over his beard
ReplyDeleteWhat is your point? Suarez missed Gerrard's testimonial dinner. That's the point. And why would the Echo lie?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, think this is a step too far. He did his on field requirement - attending a dinner or not is not worthy of the judgment here. There are any number of reasons as why he might not go, backstabbing is a stretch.
ReplyDeleteJudge him by what he does on the field, last I saw he tried to set up Henderson and Fowler.
he may well have missed gerrards dinner ,my point is the picture which was posted by a fan on the net supposedly after the match,showed suarez with a goattie ,and unless i am mistaken he was clean shaved for the game,i know hes magic but that must be his biggest trick yet
ReplyDeletejaime...we have to continue to show support for suarez in purely business terms otherwise his price will drop...if we sell to arsenal then we can basically kiss fourth spot goodbye next year and i fear for a number of years to follow...in this sense we are protecting the clubs future the present strategy of the suarez siuation...which IMO is more important than tenuous question marks over the clubs ethos and reputation.
ReplyDeleteNot sure if such melodrama is warranted, to be honest. Like most, I know he doesn't give a shit, and I just want it over one way or the other so we can get on with what we do best at this time of year - which is claiming that we'll get in the top four this season (only to be embarrassed by Christmas).
ReplyDeleteIm really hoping that the end of this poison nigh.
ReplyDeleteI also think all this talk of love and value is a bit of a bluff. As soon as 50mil comes in the door he'll be gone IMO.
As for not attending the gala, well maybe he wasnt invited?
And where did I make reference to a photo of Suarez? I reposted the Echo's statement that Suarez missed the dinner. The photo is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteExcellent point as it happens - why would SG want him there? And it's true; as soon as some poor bastard meets the price, he'll be gone - simples.
ReplyDeleteyou're an idiot. theyre only not selling because currently the only bid to be made is from arsenal, i.e. one of the biggest barriers to liverpool challenging for 4th. you really think they wouldn't have got rid of suarez if a team outside the prem offered their valuation of him?
ReplyDeleteWith respect, the whole 'price drop' argument makes no sense. LFC are still in the driving seat irrespective of overt shows of support. The club doesn't have to keep showering sycophantic praise on Suarez in order to get a good price for him. His ability speaks for itself.
ReplyDeleteI think the club should start getting a lot harder with Suarez. Enough of the sucking up to him. He's under contract. End of story.
ReplyDeleteyou did not ,i am just saying that when i saw it reported it was accompanied by a picture ,a picture that could not have been taken at lime street when it was acclaimed to have been taken
ReplyDeleteQuickest way to drop the price, mate
ReplyDeleteWhere is your evidence for this? It's just a giant myth.
ReplyDeleteyes we could do that ,and he could jump on a plane back home and blame it on the weather
ReplyDeleteGet rid! ASAP! I'm fed up of him now.
ReplyDeleteThe club and fans have done nothing but back him since he arrived in England, and this is how he repays them?
I get that loyalty is in short supply these days, and to an extent I can understand why. But he should have some loyalty to Liverpool for the way they have supported him, heck he should at least have some decency, and respect towards the club.
I get that players want to move on. But the way he is doing this is just the biggest stab in the back for LFC.
The club are talking too much. If they believed they were in a position of strength there would be nothing to say. Do you think Bayern, Real Madrid, Man Utd etc. would take this from a player? Do you think Daniel Levy would take this?
ReplyDeleteSuarez is a scallywag and he was our scallywag but now he'd like to be someone else's scallywag so let him go and make the best deal for LFC. A swap for two players with Madrid or Bayern would be great. No transfer fees and no (dis)loyalty bonus for the scallywag. =P
While I agree with you that his ability speaks for itself and should not affect the money clubs are prepared to offer us I think it does. How much do we want to keep him? Bale should have gone for 60 but Spurs desperately want to keep him. We should do the same to force his price up.
ReplyDeleteI see this transfer saga as being more about business and getting as much as we can for Suarez rather than being week willed and not having the conviction to say what needs to be said. Business is business.
* weak
ReplyDeleteRather the club just kept quiet quite a bit more than they have done. There isn't a need for them to do it at the level they have done as its overkill. Now every little thing is under the microscope. To an extent, I like the way Spurs have gone about the Bale thing mostly.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he didn't want to take anything away from Stevie on his big day! He didn't want the circus currently surrounding him do distract from the celebration? Maybe he is fed up of all the sh!t people are wrighting guessing what his mood is by the way he kicks a ball or sips his orange juice at the table?
ReplyDeleteLet's just see what happens, if he goes he goes as long as he has the shirt on his back let's give him our support.
good point m8 he seemed happy enough on saturday
ReplyDeleteCalm down Jamie, I believe Ayre and Rodgers are putting the club before the player and trying to push Suarez' price up as far as possible. One thing this club needs to move forward is more talent and they cost money. If Ayre and Rodgers publicly denounce Suarez, his price will drop. They are not deferring to his sulking, disrespect and dishonour of the club, they are manipulating the situation as they should. If we can get another £10-£15m though this hard ball stance, that could buy us another good player. They are having to be seen to be taking this on the chin, but I believe it is with the club's best interest at heart.
ReplyDeleteIf Ayre and Rodgers publicly denounce Suarez, his price will drop.
ReplyDeletePeople keep making this argument, but where is the evidence for it? This is pure supposition.
You were the guy saying a while back that he had signed for Real...kinda boring reading your posts now..best of luck in the future mate...
ReplyDeletejaimie were is the evidence to say it will not,i cannot recall many if any club denouncing there star player whilst they were trying to sell him,infact most clubs state the player is not for sale,to push the price up
ReplyDeletewhen modric revolted all levy was able to do was throw a tantrum ....players hold a lot of power at least the club are not getting into darker waters
ReplyDeleteas much as i agree with you you must admit he still hasnt left ........falcao thiago jumped ship rather quickly
ReplyDeleteThe press p*ss me off, saying Suarez didnt clap the fans at the session today what does this show?:)
ReplyDeletenext thing we know he throws a red coloured juice box in the bin after finishing it and its another dissrespect :P
ReplyDeleteHey J.......GFY!!!
ReplyDeleteAs important as the dinner was maybe he tell Steven G in advance am not gonna make it. How many times we the perfect people have missed am invitation just wondering?? When did you started believing the tabloids??? By the way JK LFC fans knows what the management are doing, to make lots of money of him or keep him which either is good for LFC. Football is business and politics now catch up my friend!
ReplyDeleteI was at the kop endd on sat for stevie g's game and suarez got an amazing reaction when he came on and didn't even bother even acknowledging the reception he got from the fans..... I used to like him but don't want him around anymore.... slap a 65 mill valuation on his head and if no one comes in with that cash then let him rot in the reserves... he deserves nothing better after the way Liverpool supporters stuck with him throughout all the shit he's done
ReplyDeleteOnly because we have rejected the offers.
ReplyDeleteI accept that players leave clubs, but when you do move, you don't have to be a d**k about it. You can leave a club amicably
Hey J...........GFY!!!
ReplyDeleteClearly he is killing a fly. The rest of them are clapping.
ReplyDeleteyeah you are right ....ideally i would like to see him force a transfer so that when he leaves it motivates us to treat him worse than toress
ReplyDeleteJamie this is your worst article ever.so baseless...... so what if he dint go for Gerald testimonial dinner,plus his wife is pregnant,you and the whole English media just keep on looking for the smallest of thgs to attack suarez
ReplyDeleteHe may have had more pressing issues.... Such as viewing a house in London! Ha.... In all seriousness though, there could be a hundred different reasons why he couldn't make the dinner. If there wasn't all the hype of will he go will he stay, nobody would even talk about him missing a dinner! To start throwing accusations he is a "backstabber" without knowing the reason for him not attending is ridiculous! You are always one for having the evidence first, yet you have let your dislike for Suarez rule your principles in writing this article! (By the way, I have read your articles for the past year or two and have never felt the need to have to post a comment until today!)
ReplyDeletewouldnt want someone earning 100k per week in the reserves ._. first team with community service would be of better use
ReplyDeleteIt's my opinion that playing hardball and coming down hard on the player will drop the price. And with respect, where is the evidence for all your dramatic opinions above?
ReplyDeleteOpinions are allowed, as long as they're civil, right?
You can't treat him like a criminal just because he wants to leave the football club.
ReplyDeleteerrr helping out the homeless is not a criminal activity .......if you dont believe me ask one carlos tevez
ReplyDeleteI expect Liverpool are hoping to limit their loses by stopping him receiving his loyalty bonus.
ReplyDeleteJK,
ReplyDeleteI think LFC have tipped their hand too much in the press already. way too any rumors re: too many players. The smartest way to deal with this situation with LS is to grit teeth and make the market view your asset as positively as possible. What really will at at the end will be how we'll did we restock the club. We need quality depth and 50m should do that. The problems we face is the lack of CL football and every day good players are getting signed. It's a tough game to play so let's hope the brass don't let us down.
criminal? he's earning 100k a week and nobody forced him to sign a contract which he should be honouring.... if some club offers how much he's worth be it 50/60 mill, or whatever then he can leave
ReplyDeleteAnd where did I say you're not entitled to an opinion? Nowhere, so why even say something like that? I simply challenge your opinion, and you are entitled to do the same to mine. So please, don't bring irrelevant stuff into the discussion.
ReplyDeleteCommunity service is a sentence... when it's not the verdic of a court it's called volunteering....Luis probably does alot for charity although I expect most is in Uraguay.
ReplyDeleteoh that means carlos tevez was sentenced for his spat with mancini hmmmm....k my bad thanks for the info
ReplyDeleteContract is in dispute...you can't say guilty until a verdict is given in a court, do you really think it is not undergoing legal scrutiny right now?
ReplyDeleteOne thing is for certain, Brendan Rodgers and Ian Ayre are lighweight and lack a backbone. But this also stems from Henry and Werner, they could very easily rectify this problem. The owners should have told BR to stop with the overpraising and boot licking, especially after Suarez did what he did.
ReplyDeleteThere were some traits I desliked from Benitez but one thing I loved/love about him is that he was/is not a boot licker, in terms he will not go out of his way to please a player. Players need to be kept in line and in check and there needs to be respect. By his behaviour I can tell Suarez does not respect Liverpool or BR.
Who knows, there may have been a legitimate reason why he did not come...maybe wife was sick or the children... but maybe not.
The point is...BR sends out the wrong message to players who are and will come to club...giving the idea that they can get away with things, especially since we are interested in Diego Costa and he is a hothead.
If we received a sizable bid then we should sell him. Maybe it's a bit late now.
PS £100M for Bale? Are you kidding me?!
Sorry JK, but you're being abrasive for no apparent reason.
ReplyDelete"Lawyers for former Manchester City footballer Carlos Tevez have had his
ReplyDeletecommunity service order rescinded because he has moved to Italy." BBC News Jul 2013
I think also a lot of fans expect us to sign champions league type players but they forget we are not a champions league club and have not been for a few years.
ReplyDeleteRebuilding is a slow process, we will get there. Maybe this season, providing we make a few more key signings.
dont know what those ffp organisers are doing tbh
ReplyDeleteLOL that made me laugh
ReplyDeletehe still did 1 day service mate
ReplyDeleteIt was for driving offences?
ReplyDeleteI understand what you mean. However he is banned for 6 games because of last season so what make us talk about him it's his onfield nonsense and flirtation with other clubs.
ReplyDeletemate suarez cant really walk scot free for the rubbish he has been doing especially seeing how all his troubles are his own making ......a little lesson in humility may do him some good
ReplyDeleteget rid of him...He's everything what LFC is not.
ReplyDeleteonly if the right offer comes in mate
ReplyDeleteWe need to know if he was lied to...until we know that you can't judge whether he or the club are in the wrong. You can say all you like about verbal agreement, but if BR looked him in the eye and said, 'you can go if we don't get champions league' and then has ignored bids from Arsenal, then BR has made a massive cock up and you are hating Suarez unfairly.
ReplyDeleteFor all we know his Kid is ill or anything. Bad timing if that's the case but maybe Suarez didn't want to take away the Limelight of the night after he had already taken some during the day.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe he just really doesn't want to be here, it may be all smiles to the public but im pretty sure after his summer begging rogers and Ayre have done what any boss would have done and layed down the law, hence Suarez's miserable face as hes trying to fight a brick wall
The club are in dark waters. If they made a verbal agreement with Suarez and then broke it - what does that tell you about the leadership of the club? No integrity? What next? Then he has a right to be cross. On the other hand if he is agitating for a move and there is no verbal agreement he could hand in a transfer request.
ReplyDeleteA savvy, shrewd chairman doesn't let these sort of grey areas happen. This is why Spurs can get 100 Million for Bale. Its not that he's worth that much more than Suarez. The fee is just ridiculous anyway. Its also that Madrid don't really have anything to wiggle around with or bargain with. If Bale had a 40 million verbal agreement - get out clause with Spurs - it would be a different story. LFC have created this situation because last year when Suarez signed his contract maybe we were pandering verbally to him and his agent out of fear. Perhaps we've gone back on our promise? Maybe this is why Suarez's camp are so agitated?
Yeah JK your being a Brillo pad
ReplyDeletethey arent that dumb lol if the reports are anything to believe with we just have to inform him ...... and we too are trying to hold arsenal to ransom only we are not being exorbiant like spurs and are trying to show other clubs we have some decency in us unlike others :P
ReplyDeleteAh, right. I'm being 'abrasive' for having the temerity to respond to your post in a fair, polite manner. There is absolutely nothing 'abrasive' about my post. If you're offended by the phrase 'irrelevant stuff' then there's not much I can do about that.
ReplyDeleteNext time, I'll put an nice smily face after my comments :-) :-) :-)
That would be nice, thanks.
ReplyDeleteI don't see it like that. I see it more of trying to let the player be settled and feel wanted at the club. I am sure that he will be sold if an offer of 50mil is made. To hell real and arsenal who are trying to buy him cheaply. Look,at what they are paying for Bale! What I would make differently is warn him that if he goes public again he will be fined and assure him that if an offer comes in that meets LFC valuation he will be sold and until then he has to shut his big mouth! What would i also like is to see the fair play rubbish and non sense spoken by that arse hole (platini) come into effect in Real's case. They will be spending circa 150mil euros on a couple of players and I don't believe they have profitted such amount with all the recession in Europe
ReplyDeleteIt was so awkward to stand in an elevator with Ian Ayre after the abuse I gave him on here, I have to say...
ReplyDeleteIts hard to say - we have no idea as to why, could be his nagging hormonal pregnant wife wanted him at home, or diarrhea - we don't know, can't really make a judgment.
ReplyDeleteMy only regret about Suarez leaving LFC will be that Kenny Dalglish should never have given him such unconditional backing during the racism incident, prefering instead to back the guy 100%.......can't really say that it was this that led to Kennys dismissal but for sure it certainly didn't appear to go down too well with Henry....
ReplyDeleteAt that time i felt Kenny was making a big mistake & i said as much, got banned from an LFC website for having the opinion that Suarez was an utter scoundrel & had become bigger than the Club.....
Now it seems that my opinion of Suarez is common place on that same website.....even the Mods have changed their views re Luis.....
IMO Suarez knew that Kenny would come under serious scrutiny over his (Suarez's) taunting of Evra, he also knew that Kenny would defend him like he did......the rest is history....Suarez almost overnight became bigger than LFC & has remained like that up until now.....
The T-shirt saga that followed was one of the most cringeworthy displays of sycophantic Club & Fan idol worship i have ever had the misfortune to witness.....utterly abhorant behaviour from Club and Fans alike, the worst part being that any dissent or opposing view was quashed, so called Liverpool fans calling for us to pull up the drawbridge and defend our own.....
Now, the tune has changed, Suarez has proved time & time again that he simply cannot be trusted to even pay back the loyalty he was afforded by Kenny, the Club, its fan's etc, i believe he did have an agenda & i now believe that the Club are acting on the basis of damage limitation as he prepares an exit for himself.....
I sincerely hope that Suarez has been foiled in his attempt to hurt the Club further, the rumours of him being very unhappy etc i hope are true because i think he deserves to be brought down a peg or two, even if we have to let him rot in the reserves to teach the **** a lesson.
The damage he has caused this great Club's profile (intentionally...IMO) should NOT be something that goes unpunished.....sufficed to say i have little pity for the guy, for me there are only two places where Suarez should go - abroad OR LFC Reserves.....either way i couldn't care less.
Don't really care about the money either, his price etc, he's done enough himself to damage that..... i think its time the Club showed some real balls, send out out a message to the world that LFC will NOT be treated like a bunch of mugs by anyone know matter who they are...
Suarez comes in at number 5 in Players Who Shook The Kop. When does it end?
ReplyDeleteWith regards to the last paragraph, Gerrard can reassert the clubs superiority over Suarez. If a player of Gerrard's calibre, stature and magnitude tells you to cut the BS and leave, you'd pack your bags. The thing is though, Gerrard is so desperate for success and he must simply believe we will do better with Suarez than without him. That's the only reason to tolerate Suarez. Gerrard told him to stay, I wouldn't be surprised if Carra privately told him to stay too. Rodgers, Ayre, Gerrard and others all favour the individual for the greater good of the club in the end.
This is a situation where you need an authoritarian like Mancini in charge, not a bend over like Rodgers and co.
IMO, we should sell Suarez to the highest bidder. If it's 40m then so be it. Reason being, he can't even help us in the first month of the season because he is suspended, and by the time he serves the ban the window is closed. He's a fantastic footballer, and it's depressing to see a lot of quality players leave over the years, but Suarez has done more bad than good.
Hendo kills himself to stay in the team, Lucas fights back from career threatening injuries, yet the light shines on Suarez. He should be shown the door.
XD i hope you sure gave him a few words for me too XD
ReplyDeleteShould have given him some abuse first hand haha.
ReplyDeleteI want to meet Rodgers and tell him how absolutely outstanding he is.
Yes, Suarez is a sleeper agent paid by United to damage Liverpool's image intentionally. He had an agenda when signing for Liverpool - probably to win stuff.
ReplyDeleteWhat Liverpool need to do to "repair" their image is assemble a winning team, with more players like Suarez, not less.
Jaimie K whats ur problem? if they gv u chance u ll burn down full house. hw is suarez not attending Steve G's party ur point now?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Jaimie would support an 'Apology To Evra' campaign? Maybe get some of those LFC blogs and supporters clubs who behaved disgracefully during that period, ripping apart a victim of racial slurs, to send a public apology to the guy. That would display more class from the fans than Suarez could muster in a thousand years.
ReplyDelete1. Unless we know why Suarez wasn't in attendance, it's not fair to accuse him of doing something wrong. For instance, if you knew he was attending a wake or funeral, would you be criticizing him? We just don't know yet.
ReplyDelete2. I totally and 100% agree with you on the rest of the post. While I think LFC have handled the negotiations well, they need to stop with this constant overpraise of the guy.
I brought up the issue of the article on the LFC website the other day... and I couldn't stand it. We have crossed the boundary of ridiculous with this guy and the constant need to see to it that he feels wanted.
What an irrelevant response. Sarcasm only works when its in the ballpark of the subject we're talking about.
ReplyDeleteAnother optimistic fan putting a positive twist. Apart from not attending the Gala, I have no complaints about Suarez (even if he wants to leave). Ayre and Rodgers are the ones to blame.
ReplyDeleteJaimie - I can't see your point in Ayre and rogers publicly denouncing Suarez? Why? Just to keep you happy?! Whats the benefit to the club? Lets say your unhappy in your job, youve let your manager know you want to move on but in the meantime your still coming in every day,acting professionally in the office, and your the best at your job. Should your manager start denouncing you?
ReplyDeleteAt this point I couldn't give a shit about the price. As long as he doesn't go to Arsenal I'll take £30M for him. Our dignity is worth way more than that.
ReplyDeleteBut you don't hear Levy and AVB praising him every day. Too much praising will show weakness and desperation, and when the player throws a tsfr req it explodes in their face. Daniel Levy is an iceman, I'd pay Downing's fees to get him to work for LFC.
ReplyDeletePlease post the line in the article where I state that LFC should 'denouce' Suarez. You're taking what someone else said and running with it.
ReplyDeleteMy argument is that the club should not heap sycophantic praise on a player who repeatedly disrespects the club. I think that is clear from my article.
There's no need for Rodgers and Ayre to keep saying 'we love you!' publicly. It's weak and embarrassing.
I'd definitely support that. At the time of the Suarez-Evra situation, I posted an article debunking the myth that Evra had a history of making race complaints:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/debunking-lfc-myths-no-11-patrice-evra.html
In its initial statement defending Suarez (posted on the official site), even LFC made reference to the Evra race complaint myth:
"It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
Just another example of the amateur nature of LFC's response to the whole thing.
Whatever, it doesn't detract from the fact that Suarez snubbed Gerrards testimonial....not alot Gerrard could do about that.....& its all well & dandy to start up about why Gerrard hasn't pulled rank over the guy......BUT you forgot that people like YOU would be up in arm's IF he (Suarez) left because of Gerrard.....
ReplyDeleteLose, lose situation for EVERYONE when a player becomes bigger than the Club.....nothing you can do because sadly we have some very sycophantic fan's at the Club who love nothing more than to IDOL WORSHIP.....
To be honest I just want shut of Suarez I couldn't care less about where he goes, would the great Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley have put up with Suarez? Granted the press do make a beeline for him but he does himself no favors with his actions on the field and sometimes of it. If we get an offer near on £50mil we should just sell up and move on. Who replaces Suarez is an altogether different story, regardless of Champions League football or if Liverpool are no longer the force we once was blah blah blah! We are still the most successful team in England with a rich history to be proud of. So if Suarez wants out then get shut of him he doesn't deserve the level of support the fans have given him. He could easily dispel all this talk by going on LFC TV but he won't because he wants out and it's the truth.
ReplyDeleteVery true but BR stating how much he rates Suarez and how much he wants him to stay is a signal to other clubs that if they want him they will have to break the bank.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the praise heaped on him but feel that it is good business acumen which can only mean a better deal financially for the club.
Blinkered, obviously biased silly comment defending the indefensible......
ReplyDeleteHas Suarez damaged the Club's public profile...?
YES!!! On more than one occasion....in fact he has made a fcuking habit out of it.....
Forgive me for thinking that LFC deserve better than to be repaid with this guy's gutter behaviour not to mention his complete lack of loyalty.....& IF thats your idea of the type of players Liverpool need more of... then you might well be very very dissapointed.
Only a rich one can afford him ;)
ReplyDeleteTerrible idea, this has been dealt with and is in the past. Liverpool's stance was correct in their support of the player - to not support him would be to concede that it was in fact racist, which it was not - it was a cultural misunderstanding at best.
ReplyDeleteIt was ultimately a failure, but that doesn't mean the stance was incorrect, it does not mean that was said was racist.
It's very odd that the first suspension ever given for racism was against a non-british player, using a language other than english. Evra asserted that Suarez called him a nigger, or the french un "negre" - negro means black, nothing more. FA needed a poster boy, and 140 page decision over the use of 1 word to back it up (seems excessive).
No apology needed, FA got their poster boy, Liverpool was weakened, it's over.
The group that has been most offended by this are Uruguayans and the assertation by the english that their use of their own language is racist. It is not.
I would like an "apology to the Uruguayans" campaign.
Ok - I take the quote back it was PhilBabbs comment - but from your last two paragraphs its like you want management to come out and tear strips off him? Rogers said that LS should feel "humbled" by the reception on Sat - hardly an I love you?! Translates to me as - you've blatantly been caught cheating on your wife, but she accepts you back - now the choice is yours to prove how faithful you can be and show your true colours. He hasnt put in a transfer request... yet, so really all this hype is over the fact he says he wants CL football. I dont agree with the way about it but to me actions speak louder than words - and as long as he puts in 100% and no transfer request - I dont see the problem? Or would you prefer a sulk like Torres who didnt go public but just didnt turn up after he didnt get his move?!
ReplyDeleteClearly, you missed Rodgers' quote on Saturday where he said:
ReplyDelete"We love him".
My last two paragraphs about the weakness at LFC, i.e. constant kowtowing to players and putting the individual above the club.
You don't think Liverpool need players that give 100%, have world class ability and want to win things?
ReplyDeleteThere are some steps in the right direction, but the team needs to be beefed up - until then Suarez will continue to eclipse the focus on the rest of the team.
It's always Suarez, Suarez, Suarez, last i checked there were 20 other players on the squad. They're off field actions aren't drawing attention, but neither are their on field performances (couple of exceptions, Coutinho, Sturridge, Gerrard).
It is simple really.
ReplyDeleteLuis Suarez told the club that he wanted out when he was on International duty at the Confederations Cup. He said that the club knows what he wants and they will have to listen when offers come in. He wanted to run the show.
Clearly the club are having none of it hence the comments like "he is not for sale" and "What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?"
There is no way the club are going to say he is for sale as number 1, that allows him to leave on his terms and number two, he will go at a price the buying club sets on the table.
.The club will do what they can to get the best deal and are also putting pressure on Luis to hand in a transfer request to by insisting he is not for sale. There is also the loyalty bonus issue that will be paid to the player should go without handing in a transfer request. The club will play hardball for as long as they need to and have every right to do so..
Suarez wants the easy way out and the club will not allow being taken for the fools so there is nothing wrong with the way LFC have dealt with the Suarez saga and when Luis leaves LFC will have made sure that is was via the the club's term and not some mercenary.
This is such a far cry from the dominant Liverpool of the past. You know the dominant teams from the 70's and 80's.i am glad the great Shankly is not around to see what the team has been reduced to. I know Liverpool sold itself out to the devil as far back as when the team wore those ridiculous t-shirts in support of Saurez. To me that was the beginning of the end of all respectability. Liverpool has bent over backwards to make one player happy. Liverpool is being screwed by Luis Saurez and he has not even bothered to take Liverpool out to dinner first.
ReplyDeleteOnce upon a time Liverpool was a club that many top class players wanted to be associated with. In those days Liverpool would get rid of a trouble maker like Luis Suarez without as much as second thought because they knew that other top class talent wanted to play at the club. Now we see ourselves being snubbed by our top marquee targets for other clubs who can offer champions league football. We saw that in the case of Henrikh Mkhitaryan and to some extent we are no closer in signing long term Liverpool target Christain Eriksen, we probably never will. The sad reality of the matter is that Rodgers has a hard time attracting recognized stars to Liverpool. Phillip Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge were the only Liverpool transfer success stories since he has been manager. This explains why Rodgers would work so hard to hold unto Luis Suarez. The truth of the matter is that Liverpool can't afford to spend the kind of money necessary to bring in another player of the caliber and talent of Luis Suarez. I know if Liverpool can find a like for like replacement for Suarez they would be glad to get rid of him. Based on the trouble he has caused the club i know they management will take a collective sigh of relief when he is gone.
The club can't even agree on what the transfer fee for the Uraguayan will be. First it was 40, then 50, and now it is claimed that they want Gareth Bale type money. As a loyal fan it pains me to see Liverpool falls so low. Saurez will certainly go down in Liverpool history as the first player to break the club.
I liked that someone said maybe he wasnt invited
ReplyDeletei want suarez out as soon as possible after this summer. 40 or 50 makes no difference.
ReplyDeleteone thing with the article though. suarez isnt good footballer. he is great footballer. atm we cant atract same caliber player once we ship him off.
i can understand the clubs reluctance to let him go. it is a genuine worry that the longer we linger without CL football the greater the quest to attain it once again becomes.
but with his talent. i was willing to turn blind eye to his on-field antics. but the sheer disrespect he has shown to club and fans is unforgivable. shift the ****** on. i hate the scenario if he isnt sold, then he will be all over press atoning and telling how he has been misquoted and how he never intended to leave, come next summer we will face another saga with him.
I hope Philippe is cut from different cloth than LS. in 2 years time i think he will be one of most sought after players in europe. im keeping my fingers crossed that he has class and loyalty and we do not need to suffer one more saga with him.
Yes i do think Liverpool need players to give 100% & that means accepting responsibility for ANY actions that might damage the Club.....
ReplyDeleteSuarez IMO has shown a lack of consistency to his form whereby he has almost been a liability up front, not linking up with others, not holding up the ball, giving the ball away VERY cheaply at times....& missing a great deal of sitters.....
& yes i know somehow he still managed to score a few goals and keep his tally respectable but there were many games where he simply played like crap.....losing us posession and momentum of attack countless times which gifted the opposition the chance to pile the prerssure on us.....
Its no surprise that Sturridge was able to come straight in and shine, because well, frankly it just wasn't working was it...? In fact it is rather telling that we actually played better without the little so & so at the end of the season.....more like a TEAM.....
Fcuk Suarez, we owe him nothing, he can rot in our reserves if he has to whilst we re build, couldn't give a flying fcuk really, the guy has blown it big time, he deserves no sympathy of suuport whatsoever from this Club anymore....
some things i agree with. as that we have made fool of ourselves with support to suarez. and we continue to.
ReplyDelete"Phillip Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge were the only Liverpool transfer success stories since he has been manager" - True but out of players he has signed Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge. Jury is still out on Allen, and 50/50 success rate on others. with Coutinho a roaring success untill now. i think Brendan has done good business. comparing to Kenny, magnificent business.
our new signigns. Kolo on free will be good signing. ive seen enough Mignolet from previous seasons to think that we have got better Keeper this year than Reina has been for last three seasons. and im pretty sure Aspas will hit the ground running. his form in preseason has been encouraging. Alberto will be branded flop this season but will find his wings next season
As far as I'm concerned, after LS publicly selling himself to Real Madrid and did not bother to clarify his intention for a seemingly desired move to Arsenal, I consider him an ex-player. Whether he wants to 'leave' England for an overseas club or stay in the EPL for another club does not bother me much. Just don't leave LFC in the lurch by handing in the last-minute transfer request crap since LFC has shown tremendous support for all his on/off field antics. However, even if he does so, I don't think I'll be surprised but I'll move on from there instead. One important point that I want to highlight here is that LFC has the ultimate say in granting any transfer since he has no minimum fee release clause in his contract. Any player from anywhere can prostitute himself to clubs anywhere but I certainly don't see LFC as a club of status much lower than the likes of Real Madrid and Arsenal to kneel in front of them once any of these clubs puts in bids for the player. The 2 rejections for Arsenal's bids reiterated the point clearly and I'm more than happy about it. If the player is not happy and trying to show the club 'attitude', he should be prepared to rot in the reserves, simple as that, since no man is bigger than the club, in this case it's LFC that I'm talking about. All these are just my two cents but I really hope LFC can handle this well.
ReplyDeleteYep, i think you are spot on, well said!
ReplyDeleteand you think that us not reaching championsleague this year excuses suarez complete lack of respect to fans and club. Professional footballer should be professional. he isnt.
ReplyDeleteFour games against a terrible newcastle, fulham and QPR, and a 0-0 tie isn't exactly a great guage to go by.
ReplyDeleteWhere is sturridge now? He's doing lots in the pre-season. He's good, but dout he could carry the team the way Suarez did - if he manages to go without injury.
What about Johnson, Scoring only 1 goal in over 50 shots or making close to 2 turnovers a game? how about the fact that 4 of gerrards goals came from penalties on Suarez - how many goals would he have without those spot kicks? Allen? Henderson? Downing? Sterling? How good were they? Sahin, Shelvy? There's lots of complaining going on, but it's all focused on 1 guy, and I do recognize he's had bad games, wasted chances, but there 10 other players on the field, what about them?
If you cannot see that he was head and shoulders above the rest of the team last season, you're blind.
That's my big issue, if Suarez stays or goes, there are still 10 other players on the field to scrutinize, but expectations aren't anywhere near those of Suarez, so their faults fly under the radar. If he goes I'll watch that team, but if he stays, I'll watch Liverpool, and it would be nice to see something approaching consistency from the rest of the team.
This is exactly what has been bothering me most over this summer transfer window, the worry & concern that i might have to face another season whereby this self serving ingrate Suarez saga would hang over the Club like a giant shit storm threatening to heap even more damage onto the Club, very glad the Club seem to be working hard to reach some kind of solution, hopefully one that will suit us not him.......
ReplyDeleteYes, if that's the deal he had, then he should be allowed to go. I haven't seen any disrespect to the fans - he has had nothing but good things to say about the club or fans.
ReplyDeleteThe only two things I have seen directly quoted from him are "hard to say no to Real". And with regards to Arsenal "It's nice to know the English clubs would still consider me for my footballing after everything thats happened."
The rest, has been sourceless, some stating that Suarez, his agent, his close friend Cavani, etc. That he wants champions league. As far as I can see none of this has been quoted as coming from Suarez directly.
There are literally hundreds of articles a day written on the subject, and almost all lack sources, or are based on lose interpretations such as this - his not being at a dinner, his body language, etc.
It is probably true he wants to leave, but he hasn't been very public about it - 2 answers to direct questions is about it, the rest, well it's hard to know the origins of these stories, as they are unsubstantiated.
If you can show me a source for the "wants to leave for CL" i would like to see it, or "considering transfer request", "courting arsenal" etc.
You guys are eating it all up - as I say there may be truth to it, but it's not like he's giving interviews every day saying stuff or disrespecting the club. He shows up for training, for games, etc. No matter what he does, the media will play it up as much as possible, and attribute new things everyday - even though he hasn't said anything new for at least a month.
But Rogers has said on numerous occasions when talking about LS that no player is bigger than the club. He said that! Why never quote that? Weakness at LFC?! Are we the only team to have a player that has said they want to leave?! It even happens at the 'bigger' clubs! Tevez? Rooney? In my eyes it would be weakness to not stand your position and state "He's our asset - hes not for sale and we want him here - not gongi to be bulied by a player or club. LS - if you want to go then find a club willing to pay your valuation (which isnt less than half of whatever Bale goes for) if not then you stay. I think Mancini had the right stance with Tevez - I'm not gonna sell you for cheap just cos you want to go.To me Jaimie that is weak and kowtowing to players, putting the individuals need to want to jump ship over the clubs need to keep you and progress ??! Surely!
ReplyDeleteHaha, you really think that i have only been focussing my criticisms of Suarez & not the others...?
ReplyDeleteNot sure if you were reading these boards last season but if you were you would have been treated to some very fine and very observant criticisms regarding certain players in our side who were letting us down, in fact i even highlighted a certain pattern that emerged clearly exposing certain players for underperforming.....
The worst offenders were Reina.......Skrtel......Johnson......Agger.....Enrique....basically our GK and defence......Followed by Lucas who was very shabby and inconsistent, giving away plenty of free kicks and inviting the opposition on us & then of course Luis Suarez up front giving the ball away cheaply etc....so, its hardly surprising that we dropped so many points to supposedly lower teams than us.....
Reminds me of names in the envelope bit in that documentary.....Reina...gone back to Rafa.....surprise surprise..., Skrtel going as well......rumours that we might be buying a new LB....., centre forward....., have already bought a new keeper.....a good one at that.....
Seems like the Club are outing a few players who thought they could take the Club & its fans for mugs......whilst earning over 100k a week...?
They can all do one IMO, i simply couldn't care less about any of them tbh, it really is time we started afresh 7 i think we intend to, BR is going to get a decent chance to prove himself this season, at least i hope he will..... & that means EVERYONE pulling TOGETHER....
YNWA.
Ok, so we agree, that the whole team can be frustrating to watch. My whole point is basically that so much focus (at least right now) is on Suarez leaving or staying, what might happen with that money etc. It should be on brining in players to compliment the team as is, and if he leaves, then fine, get a replacement - still think there is a strong chance that he stays, at least until January.
ReplyDeleteAll the outcry over Suarez shows the desperation felt towards the situation - if he leaves who will replace him? How will the team do? The same goes for the club putting praise on him. If there were 2 Suarez's on the team, there wouldn't be all the hoopla about his potential departure.
If the club decide not to sell, I'm sure he'll perform just as well, if not better. If he leaves, well the club will have doubled their money, and reinvest, why such a big deal?
What bugs me the most is the back story created by the press, and how people gobble it up. This is no different than any other player - look at Benteke. It probably hinges on two things, money and glory, Suarez could get more of both elsewhere, however if the money situation improves, I'm sure he'd be happy to stay. I don't think you can fault someone for looking out for their personal interests - at least not in the proportion that it is being done in this case.
I clocked that mate, i didn't think that pic of him in Limey was him
ReplyDeleteMate, the sheer fact that the LFC forum boards have been lit up all summer with talk about Suarez leaving or not suggests that he himself has done little to put away fears that he might want out.....he might not of said too much about leaving but he hasn't said an awful lot about staying either.....has he......?
ReplyDeleteI think that is actually the point here, many LFC fans have simply had enough of having to debate this guy period......
Every saga has embroiled the fan base with arguments for keeping him and arguments for getting rid, & lets face it he has done EVERYTHING in his power to remain right in the middle of the spotlight all along......
Had many chances to change his ways etc, had huge support from Club and fanbase bordering on complete Idol worship.....got Kenny caught up in his racist saga/T-shirt saga/handshake saga.....
I mean ffs im even beginning to lose count of all the controversies he has caused since being at the Club....& he hasn't been here all that long either.....
LFC need to play ball with this guy, enough really is enough....
Hard ball.....
ReplyDeleteGreat post Jamie, the lfc of old would have never have stood for all this, what was meant to be a great day honouring stevie & raising money for charity was allowed to be tarnished by Suarez, lets face it if he had one bit of respect he could have spoken to the media by now, he could have paid tribute to stevie but his silence is deafening. A great footballer but an obnoxious man.
ReplyDeletenice to see david james take on the issue ,talk about trying to keep your name in the news,david stick to what you do best,on second thoughts do not bother,you were not much kop at that,i would love to see you face suarez you would have defenetly lived up to your nickname
ReplyDeleteit may have been him but not when it stated it was
ReplyDeletequite frankly im ashamed that the manger and senior players are still praising him its a f*cking disgrace if you mind my french
ReplyDeletethere comes a time when enough is enough though
ReplyDeletehendo is everything suarez isnt ....yet rogers barely acknowledges him...he sucks up to suarez while suarez has his pants down with a reach round
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason why they are praising him. It is in no way to make the club look good but to show the footballing world that LFC is not a club made for mercenaries.
ReplyDeleteThe club want Suarez out and they will go the route of getting the best deal and not allow Suarez to leave on his terms.
I am surprised how you have not figured that out by now...
What? To let Suarez leave on his terms?
ReplyDeleteThere is a saying that goes "NOBODY IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB".
Jesus Christ he was saying we could do well without him! Suarez isn't God and James had a good point. We focus too much on one player and maybe players that we have and will purchase will take more responsibility and offer more options. One day Suarez will leave, or retire, or die. Liverpool will live on others will just have to step up. If United could lose Ronaldo and still win the league surely if we're still a big club we can adapt? We did when Keegan left, we did when Dalglish retired, when Michael Owen left and when Torres left. At least when Suarez leaves we might get some dignity back instead of looking like a gaggle of Justin Bieber fans ("look he WAVED at me!!!")
ReplyDeleteI dont think BR is a strong enough Manager to hem Suarez in. Some one like Van Gaal would not put up with it because he is a stronger manager. I do understand the whole trying to get the best price thing, but I dont think that is whats at play here. If it was then it looks like they will sell him after the season has started, which seems a big negative in terms of getting in replacements. I honstly dont think the club want him going to Arsenal, and that is why BR put arsenal down. Footballers in general only care about one thing, money. Fine the lad until he learns. The club should have a rule, every time a player talks about another club while under contract they lose a weeks wages. Missing important events without a very good reason = lose a weeks wages.
ReplyDeleteI want Suarez gone from the club asap, but I dont want him going to Arsenal. It looks like no other clubs our interested in him, so maybe BR should tell Suarez, your antics have put other clubs off, and if you want a move to Real etc then you will need to improve your behaviour this season and if your lucky they will come in for you next season. It is possible he has already said that, but I am guessing he aint.
I have though had enough of BR and his player loving speeches. Drive me up the wall, its cringe worthy.
Yep, that's what I meant mate, that pic was defo not after the match, if it was then it wasn't Suarez!! Lol
ReplyDeleteI think the club is saying that player is bigger than us, by constantly praising him, not just now, but during the Evra case etc.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think Rodgers, Ayre and LFC have stated Suarez is not for sale?
ReplyDeleteDo you really think they want to keep a player who has said he wants to leave but is not willing to hand in a transfer request to cash in on his loyalty bonus?
LFC are not that weak my friend. Torres had to hand in a transfer request and for Suarez to get his wish will have to do the same.
Well do you want them to say he is for sale?
ReplyDelete"What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?" aka John W Henry.
If you think the club is going through all this effort to keep Suarez then you are sadly mistaken.
thats just a guess
ReplyDeleteI think we are that weak currently.
ReplyDeletenot the old race cause again,evra said vile things to but because suarez mentioned a so called racial word its worse,sorry but the race card is just an excuse for suarez haters(probably more racist than the average person to beat him with)this racist madness as to stop all the bloody do gooders are making this world worse,with there politically correct bullshit,racism is not only a white against black thing
ReplyDeleteYes, thats it in a nutshell, the spotlight should NOT be on Suarez, it should be on what players we are bringing in etc, but it is on Suarez.....& its very much his own doing......always has been....
ReplyDeleteWould we prefer to wait until the last day of the transfer window whereby he might shit on us from a height and leaves us with no replacement etc...?
I don't think so, this NEEDS to be sorted ASAP, so that we can actually focus on the players who want to be here.... and what players have come in etc......not Suarez..
Again your just guessing, you dont know what the club is trying to do, its just ur view. Therefore I can not be mistaken unless I believe the word of Max is always what the club thinks.
ReplyDeleteMr Henry will prove you wrong.
ReplyDeleteHow? by coming out and saying he has had enough of Suarez? thats the only way I will be proved wrong as you put it. I dont think he should come out and say anything, I think owners should stay in the background and Managers should be the ones proving people wrong.
ReplyDeleteHa ha ha!!! You stay in his corner. The man is a proven liar unable to control himself in the heat of battle. Be it a bite, a punch, racial abuse or a hair pull the man has a problem with self control and will sink to scummy depths to get one over on the pitch. Top that with his constant bending of the truth to suit his own agenda ("I wanna leave the country because of the press... Oh wait? Arsenal? Oh, is Arsenal in England still?...") and most reasonable people would admit that Evra's word absolutely outweighs Suarez's mishmash of an argument(lie). I'm sure King Kenny sits at home wondering about the handshake snub and ponders whether Suarez was really deserving of his support.
ReplyDeleteyes lets say sorry to poor evra please give me a break maybe we can ask him to be guest of honour ,or build a new set of gates and name them after him
ReplyDeletePlease no. While I think the club was weak over how they handled it, I think Evra was just as bad in the whole thing and would hope the club never says sorry to a player well known for using rasict language and lieing.
ReplyDeletetrue enough. i admit that i for one may read too much into what british press writes. its hard to grasp the idea that there might be no base for many of the articles. kind of hard to draw the line as a foreigner.
ReplyDeletestill i want him out. his courting at RM and even arsenal has been enough for my taste. i think that lot of it is real madrids fault also with their shameless tapping of players, unsettling them.
actually id like some british advice which are the papers that write facts. instead of courting readers with baseless sensationalist articles.
i read most of my Liverpool articles via Newsnow. one site ive already discarded completely is CaughtOffside.
I forget. Suarez has already apologised to him like he promised. Oh wait no he didn't. Because the man has no class. And an apology would be the classy thing to do.
ReplyDeleteCant deny the you tube video though of Evra using the N word out of his window. Dont get me wrong, I think the club was weak with how they delt with it, but Evra is innocent in it all either.
ReplyDeleteNot if you feel you didnt do anything wrong, why would you say sorry?
ReplyDeleteThe intensity is why I like the guy - I watch the sport for entertainment. He does cross the line, some things justfied (punch after a testicle grab, handball against Ghana), some things aren't (bites). The "racist" thing is rubbish - if Evra doesn't know how to speak spanish, he shouldn't try. I am Uruguayan, I can attest that black friends even insist, "call me negro", so that's that, I don't need a 140pg decision from the English FA to tell me how to speak Uruguayan spanish. Thank you very much.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised nobody called the punch after the ball grab "homophobic abuse", and that the Ghana handball wasn't considred "racist", though he did "deny the African continent their last hope to win the first world cup held in their continent." I'm sure if you play that clip in slow-mo, you can read Suarez's lips shouting "white power" just before putting his arm out straight at a 45 angle.
Give me a break. If you don't want to see contact or flared tempers watch a sport with a net between the two players like tennis or pingpong.
Your post is exactly the reason why he's due an apology. Accusing him of lying and using racist language was just part of a ridiculous smear campaign that was used to justify Suarez's childish and petulant behaviour.
ReplyDeletedid evra apologuise for his remarks ,evra shunned the handshake then acted the victim again ,they are both men if they want to sling insults at each other thats up to them ,but evra admmited he said things but took the morale high ground
ReplyDeleteits on you tube mate. There is a vid of Evra shouting the N word out the window, he even admitted to it. Therefore my post doesnt isnt saying anything other than the truth.
ReplyDeleteWe shall come back to this coversation when Suarez has left on the clubs terms, not his :)
ReplyDeletebecause the politcally correct say you should
ReplyDeleteYou lost me Max. I dont care who`s terms he leaves on, that is you. I have been talking about the club not praising him all the time, nothing to do with terms. Where did you even get that from?
ReplyDeleteIm sorry mate, but can't you see that this so called fawning over Suarez is necessary because the player has become too powerful at the Club to control...??? Like completely out of control......
ReplyDeleteTherefore ANYONE at the Club would be seriously frowned upon if they were the reason Suarez left......& he certainly would be very quick to jump onto anything ar anyone turn the "fans" against them....
Even the criticisms of Rogers & Ayre etc are unfair...one fella was trying to point a finger at Gerrard for not reigning him (Suarez) in......
Fact is, as long as HE is at the Club "we" the fans will be at war with ourselves, looking to blame anyone but Suarez himself.....
Sadly, the truth has to be obscured, the guy will say ANYTHING to keep the fans on his side.....he is dangerous to our project of re building as he still has the capacity to create a lot of damage esp if he is allowed to dictate his leaving & to whom....
So, IMHO, he is being treated to the same kind of bullshit that he has himself been spouting for some time now.....
Don't see whats wrong with that tbh. Certainly don't see why the fans should turn on FSG or Ayre or BR or even Gerrard for not trying to do more to help "him" to stay.
Lose lose situation, is what it is, get tough with the guy he will react and flip it around straight away and use you (whoever you are at the Club) as the reason for his leaving......
Erm, i don't think he should get away with that as well as everything else.....
but thats all right because,hes a poor victim
ReplyDeleteBut then clearly you are lost as you do not understand why the club are doing what they have been since Suarez started whoring himself.
ReplyDeleteSorry i cannot make it anymore clearer for you.
Because Liverpool FC and the fans did something wrong. They ran to the media to spread lies and mistruths about a victim to absolve themselves of responsibility. Evra had never made a complaint about racial abuse previously and had only been a witness to others complaints. Given our history I would have thought that we would have understood how wrong it is to spread lies to absolve yourself of responsibility.
ReplyDeletefair point, something I forgot. The PC bunch dont mind insults to south americans, thats all good, but refer the the skin colour...well maybe refer to it, and your gone, moral high grounds will be taken.
ReplyDeleteMax, you dont need to make it clearer, I completely get you, just dont agree with anything you say often. That dont mean I dont get you, just means I think you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteLearn to except others have different point of views.
I am not stopping you from posting you view am I?
ReplyDeleteMissing a dinner is not a reason to sell, hate or disrespect him. Him saying he wants to leave greatest team on earth which gave him so much is. Just hope that BR is rejecting offers in attempt to get more money, and that it will work. If we do not sell him we are cnts.
ReplyDeleteThe you tube vid isnt a lie. I personally am a Liverpool fan and did nothing wrong i can tell you. I think we are on about two totally different things Deebo. Me saying he uses rasict words is based from the video online, which was before the case
ReplyDeleteNo, just no need for snipey remarks. If that is the only way you can make your own view seem a fact, then fair enough, but it doesnt actually make it a fact. Sometimes it is good to be able to debate without having to try to make the other posters look like they know nothing about football.
ReplyDeleteI'm out. I take racist behaviour seriously but I acknowledge that some don't. Therefore trying to elicit empathy from someone who doesn't is an exercise in futility. When you add to that a person who actually denies what he has seen in front of his own eyes and something the perpetrator apologised for, then we're never going to get a reasonable conversation going and I have to accept that.
ReplyDeleteI think both are bad as each other tbh. Not a fan of either players behaviour. As footballls both are really good. They are prob both very alike.
ReplyDeleteWell, i "think" that the Club are only pandering to him because they want to play the game.....you know, the game Suarez started....
ReplyDeleteIm sure as hell they'd like to just get on with running the Club without all the hassle that comes skipping gleefully hand in hand with Luis Suarez, everywhere he goes.....
Best way to do that, a hefty show of OTT public support for the guy.....just what he doesn't want!
Just a thought....i think.
Luis needs to hand in his transfer request. Plain and simple.
ReplyDeleteYou are not going to pay out millions of pounds to a player for being loyal when all he has done is drag the club through loads of mud.
Very convenient p.o.v. Im ONLY ashamed of the fact that Luis Suarez is actually still at the Club....
ReplyDeleteThat is all.
Where have I made snipey remarks?
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, Liverpool are damned if they do and damned if they don't. At some point Luis Suarez will be sold. I don't think anyone will be calling Liverpool weak if he's sold on Liverpool's terms, ie when they want, to who they want (abroad) and for how much they want.
ReplyDeleteThen I assume you made an effort to understand the linguistic subtleties of Uruguayan colloquial spanish? Because someone who takese these things seriously surely has to acknowledge that in other languages different words carry different weights, and have different connotations.
ReplyDeleteI'm out. I take racist behaviour seriously but I acknowledge that some don't. Therefore trying to elicit empathy from someone who doesn't is an exercise in futility. You support him, you always will. You make excuses for him, you always will. You speak in half truths on his behalf, you always will. The bottom line is that Evra was never Suarez's friend. The use of negro can be negative or positive dependent of the relationship between the two parties and the nature of the interaction. I bet you wouldn't repeatedly refer to a black guy who you didn't know and were in an argument with as negro while pinching his skin (which was caught on camera) for effect. Or maybe you would but like I said, exercise in futility.
ReplyDeleteActually, yes, positive or negative, friendly conversation or argument, negro is a neutral word, so it's use is irrelevant - it only becomes charged with a qualifier like "de mierda" (i.e negro de mierda - black of $hit). In Uruguay it's normal to call people by their most obvious attribute, fat, skinny, tall, short, similarity to an animal (Suerez = Rabit), skin colour, hair colour, factions, etc. Guess we have thicker skin, but that is normal, and neutral.
ReplyDeleteIn short, yes. I have a friend who is working as a school teacher in that area of South America and he has made a number of black friends there who confirm that it would be out of order to say that in a confrontational situation with a black guy that you don't know. Add to that the pinching of the skin and its a pretty straightforward case. Add also to that Suarez's changing statement from the day (stated in exactly the same terms to two different people [Kuyt and Commolli] in two different languages [Dutch and Spanish]) to his eventual statement at the hearing, and the weight of truth falls with Evra. Then add to that Suarez's subsequent lies (even to our greatest ever player) and erratic onfield behaviour and I think an apology is in order.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny to see all the arsenal fans drooling at the hope of getting him after the way they have destroyed him in the past , they are gagging for him! :)
ReplyDeleteIs "that area of south america" Uruguay? Unless this is so, then it doesn't hold weight. You can't use UK english as a measure of american english. Take the word f a g, two very different meanings in each country.
ReplyDeleteBeing banned for 18 games since he arrived at Anfield could suggest that we would have been better off without him seeing that his goals have done nothing to improve our league positions since he arrived.
ReplyDeleteYour definition of racist words is ridiculous. One minute you argue context of certain words then the next minute the context of a black man calling another black man n***a in a jovial hip-hop manner is ignored. Now Evra can be racist towards himself! PC nonsense. PC is about taking away context and intent from human interaction. The FA's finding took both into account in their findings. You take neither into account. Essentially you just slur Evra as a defence mechanism for Suarez and that is the very problem. Under thought, overegged pettifogging that led to a victim of racial abuse being abused for daring to challenge it.
ReplyDeleteThis biting, rapidly growing facial hair & refusal to come out in the evening all points to one thing, Suarez is the wolfman :)
ReplyDeleteThin you might misunderstood me. I hope that BR is trying to get more money for his transfer, not Suarez for himself.
ReplyDeleteI was actually reiterating your point :). at least you grasp what the club is trying to do!
ReplyDeleteYou're right on that score, but that's not what David James said. He said Suarez was holding Liverpool back because all our football was being channeled through him. Thus, the bans should really have been an opportunity for the team to excel.
ReplyDeleteIf we subscribe to James' way of thinking, than Gerrard should have been sold ages ago. Torres was also kept for far too long. Each of these players earned us the reputation of being a 'one-man team' at some point in time because they were head and shoulders above the rest in terms of talent.
Was not sure, since I am used to getting replies only when people disagree..
ReplyDeleteeveybody who cheered and clapped suarez, should be ashamed of themselves. i didn't and never would again, if he stays. by his actions and the fans reaction, he has cemented the notion that he IS bigger than the club. even br is now being sucked into a pathetic defence of his disgusting actions, by saying he was practically scared of the reaction he would get and how he felt the trepidation. shut up molly-coddling this ungrateful, deceitful, deluded individual. he doesn't care about anyone but himself. please lfc, sell him now, i don't care who to, just get rid of him.
ReplyDeletethats because im not a genius like you max,,,perhaps you should start a religion ..then we could all praise max the greatest brain on football the world has ever seen
ReplyDeleteGerrard came through the ranks though like just like Carra though.
ReplyDeleteWho is to blame for them not winning the EPL even once? yet they stuck to their guns and both have will have seen their careers out at one club.
If Stevie had decided to go to Chelsea the like Owen the would have had the chance to brag about having a EPL winners medal.
Carra and Stevie are players you do not find anymore, hopefully the likes of Kelly follows suit.
I get many who disagree with me, do not feel to bad about that!
ReplyDeleteim all for playing hardball with suarex but its a paradox to kiss his ass at the same time
ReplyDeletei dont max haahh
ReplyDeletelets call it what it is "evracism": when one hurts evra's feelings in a language he doesn't properly understand, then gets banned for 8 games.
ReplyDeleteall we need now is the resident dogger collywobble to pipe in with his two cents
ReplyDeleteAnd that is why people have the right to opinion :)
ReplyDeleteSimple really, Suarez was baiting/taunting Evra, in a heated game between two big rival Clubs with certain history....he used Evra's skin to bait/taunt, it was not friendly, affectionate or anything like that, it was IMO bound to become a big issue & i think Suarez knew exactly what he was doing.....
ReplyDeleteKenny Dalglish carried the can......, then got canned for it himself.....
Suarez got a ban and came back having learnt nothing from his ban, continuing his petulance and gutter behaviour.....only to receive yet another lengthy ban the following season, all his own doing...., didn't have to taunt Evra did he? esp the way he did i.e. skin colour? Didn't have to bite Ivanovic either did he? Has he learnt anything? Does it matter to you at all that he hasn't?
I doubt it, because you just want to keep trying to deify and excuse the guy, even when you know he has nobody but himself to blame....
max we can play hardball and get the best deal with out slavering all over him..how can continually praising a player who is sticking to fingers up at you be healthy for the club
ReplyDeleteMost posts start with a put down or finish with one, usually in a mocking way. That is sniping.
ReplyDeleteWhy have they not been deleted then?
ReplyDeleteWhy have my comments not been removed then if they contained sniping?
ReplyDeleteyou do have digs max......maybe JK doesn't see it...
ReplyDeletei actually find them quite amusing so don't stop on account of me
Dalglish lost his job because he wasted a crapload of money and didn't get results.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Evra thing, I'll meet you halfway, 3 game ban at most, to set things straight, perhaps he should have been more culturally aware, and leave it at that.
The biting was bad, but whatever, just like everything, you take the good with the bad - what he's missed due to (excessively lengthy) bans, he didn't miss with injuries, for missed shots, he's made some incredible goals that nobody else could. It all balances out.
Plus he's Uruguayan, which gives my little country a fighting chance to regain their glory - and he does perform well for his country, which can't be said for most - fact the way he plays for any shirt is hard to find.
I do not, it ussualy means I am right...
ReplyDeleteis isnt ridicluous. I havent once argued the context of any words, that appears more like you hoping I would so you could counter with something. Ironically place a context to Evra using the N word to justify it. Please refrain for jumping to conclusions about why I dont believe either of there stories. The F.A. are by no means a bench mark of anything. If you feel Evra using rasict words is fine, fair enough, but personally I dont think either player should.
ReplyDeletewell as it stands now we can get 40m for him.....if he goes into the new season and slumps that figure will drop...sometimes your first offer is your best offer
ReplyDeleteWhen the club gets asked questions about Suarez then they will answer but will not do it by crashing our chances of getting the best deal.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think AVB is also having a go at Madrid and saying Bale is not for sale?