13 Aug 2013

'I may leave' - LFC still want €40m goal-machine who broke Falcao's record. Replace Suarez...?

In May, Spanish newspaper Marca claimed that Liverpool were preparing a 'formal offer' for Porto goal-machine Jackson Martinez, a bid contingent - at that time - on the transfer of Luis Suarez. The Suarez saga continues to rumble on, and Martinez has indicated once again that he is open to a move away from Portugal.

In April, Portuguese newspaper Jornal Record claimed that Martinez - who has a €40m buyout clause in his contract - is on the Reds wanted list, and then Marca reported:

"Liverpool were about to sign him [Martinez] last season, but Porto moved faster and gave no option to the Reds. Liverpool could make a formal offer in the coming days if the the transfer of Luis Suarez to Atletico Madrid goes through"

Recent reports suggest that Liverpool remain interested in Martinez, and when quizzed last night about his future, the striker told reporters:

"I'm fine at Porto, but I cannot rule out the possibility that I may leave. I'm very calm about my situation here and I will continue to do my job and respect my contract with Porto"

In mid-March, Martinez's agent, Giovanni Fiore, confirmed that Porto would consider offers for the striker, and claimed that top la Liga clubs are in the hunt. He told reporters:

"There's a strong interest from Barcelona [and] an important team from Madrid. A few other clubs have inquired about his availability, too. Porto will study offers, but we're talking about big bids here given the player's importance to the club."

Soon after that, Fiore added:

"There is contact with other clubs at a more advanced level, though Martinez is not going to Italy. For now I can not indicate which clubs are interested, but contact has already been made with clubs overseas"

The Reds have been linked with Martinez many times over last year, and prior to joining Porto in the summer, the Colombian striker confirmed the Liverpool's interest. He told Nuevo Estadio:

"I am not in any advanced negotiations with Liverpool but I know they are personally interested"

Since arriving at the Estádio do Dragão, Martinez - nicknamed 'Cha Cha Cha' - has scored goals for fun, and overall, his record for Porto is pretty formidable:

* 34 goals in 43 appearances.
* Scored in 10 successive games last season.
* At one point, scored 18 goals in 17 games.
* Broke Falcao's record by scoring 11 goals in 12 matches for Porto.

Juventus recently put in a €28m offer for Martinez, which seems a more likely price than the €40m buyout, and if Suarez leaves - which, despite John Henry's protestations, remains a definite possibility - the Colombian would be a top replacement.

Of course, the dream scenario is that Liverpool just go out and buy Martinez whilst Suarez is still at Anfield. This would send a huge message to the Uruguayan, and it would also be a massive statement of intent from the club.

On a different note - Liverpool could've signed Martinez last summer for a hell of a lot less than €40m. The Reds were constantly linked with the Colombian striker prior to his move, but as usual, the club just didn't act, and he ended up at Porto for a ridiculously low fee of €11m.

This kind of negligence is arguably on a par with *overspending* on players like Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll. Ultimately, the end result is the same: the club loses money unnecessarily. If, for example, Liverpool sign Martinez for €25m, in real terms, that's an avoidable loss of €14m.





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210 comments:

  1. liverpool4life56511:51 am, August 13, 2013

    We should just sell Suarez, if we get a offer from abroad then sign this guy, then every body will be happy:-)

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  2. No one writes so much rubbish about LFC as you.
    Why on earth would Jackson come to LFC ? He is wanted by top clubs which are playing in champion league.


    By the way, How many players do you link with LFC in an hour ? You carry on this way and very soon you gonna run out of readers...........

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  3. It seems like Liverpool at times seem scared for coughing up big money for players playing outside the EU.
    IMO this boils down to Ayre not being effecient and agressive enough when it comes to chasing players, although of course I have no proof of this but the Myhktaryan story comes to mind.
    We need a new MD in my opinion. Keep Ayre in some capacity but when it comes to transfers we need someone more dynamic.
    Martinez is a beast of a player but doubt he'll want to come to us. I really hope BR is lining up some signings are Downing is now leaving and he was practically a 1st team player last season and he was not good enough.
    And Agger...Althugh I know he is commited to Liverpool I still think it would be hard for him to turn down Barcelona. He is 28 and has not won much in his career so don't be susprised if he decides to leave.
    All in all, I hope BR signs a few good players. And please, no Matri.

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  4. Where's the report that Atletico Madrid are in for Luis Jaimie?, that's the first I've heard of it.

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  5. I have no idea who are our scouts but they suck big time.


    Since Rafa is gone, only Suarez is a spot on signing.

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  6. LFC have one of the worst transfer records I have ever seen. Huge sums blown or are constantly playing around. So called professionals? That's an even bigger joke!

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  7. From May 2013: http://www.marca.com/2013/05/08/futbol/futbol_internacional/colombia/1368028392.html

    "Liverpool could make a formal offer [for Martinez] in the coming days if the transfer of Luis Suarez to Atletico Madrid is confirmed"

    UK press also covered the story:

    * http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-atletico-madrid-prepare-1874605

    * http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/395680/Atletico-Madrid-eye-up-Liverpool-s-Luis-Suarez-as-replacement-for-Radamel-Falcao

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  8. If he doesn't find quality players and a couple of them are needed then we haven't got a hope of CL football. I'm really not sure if we are in a better position than we were last year. Toure for Carra, Minolet for Pepe and we have bought 2 unknowns who I don't think are going to be first team players, add to that that Suarez's 30 goals I think we are in serious trouble at this moment in time.

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  9. Coutinho & Sturridge look like pretty spot on signings to me. Signing someone of Suarez' stature is a bit of a one off for most clubs, especially given the competition nowadays from the heavily subsidised clubs. I hope we can sign Martinez, but it won't be easy...

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  10. Bite their hands off if they come back in, but we had better have a top class replacement, but there are not to many about.

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  11. BR has said coutinho will definately play the number 10 role once we get quality wingers. £33M for Luis Muriel and Christian Eriksen. seems like a no brainer to me

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  12. That's the problem - we're struggling to attract players anywhere near his level, partly because there aren't many out there and partly because we haven't been close to CL qualification for a few years. Otherwise they would have happily offloaded Suarez...

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  13. coutinho, sturridge, mignolet,toure just to name a few

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  14. Absolutely the type of player we need to push on. It's a joke that we are not doing what Spurs are doing and signing the players anyway. It would seriously weaken Suarez' position and reconfirm our standing in the football world.
    OK we didn't sign him before, but that boat's sailed.
    It will cost them some cash, but FSG should get JM RIGHT NOW if they can. If they offer and he turns them down, then I will still be happy that they did the right thing, and it would send Suarez a massive signal of intent. Shape up, or stay on the sidelines till you can act like an adult.
    The WC is coming, he will be 31 before the next one.
    He needs to play, and if we get JM or similar, he will need that MORE than we need him...

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  15. liverpool4life56512:22 pm, August 13, 2013

    Have you been asleep for the last year? Coutinho,Sturridge,mignolet,aspas,Alberto... Have all been decent signings can even add Toure into it.

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  16. Selling Downing leaves Liverpool in the black in terms of money in and money out. The transfer window closes in 3 weeks. If the club is serious about challenging for the top four then it needs to get busy. Spurs have spent big already and they finished 5th last season. If they keep Bale then they will be moving even further away from us. We haven't really strenthened, Toure replaced Carra, Luis Alberto replaced Suso, Mignolet replaced Reina, and Aspas came in because we were light in the forward positions anyway. At the moment we aren't really any better than we were last season except that we did finish the season strongly. If LFC are to strengthen, then they need to get going, otherwise we'll be playing for 6th or 7th again this season. FACT.

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  17. Which one of them scored 20+ goals?

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  18. thats the problem with lfc we buy youngsters but even then we do not buy the best,

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  19. Ian Ayre hasnt got a clue on how to be decisive in the transfer market... He is the poster boy for dithering, I couldnt agree more, he continually costs us money in one way or another.

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  20. Rafa's last half a dozen or so buys:
    Aquilani 18m
    Johnson 17m,
    Kyriakos 1.5m,
    Dossena 7m
    Cavalieri 3.5,
    Keane 19m
    Riera 8m
    Spot on buys? not any more. The days of the Alonso gems were long gone...

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  21. Sturridge's ratio was on par with a 20 goal season and coutinho has been superb. i share your disappointment that Mignolet hasn't been banging them in yet, but give him time and he'll come good ;-)

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  22. Compared to:
    Downing 20mil -> gone for 5mil
    Carroll 35 mil -> gone for 15 mil?

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  23. it seems as we are now scared of coughing up big money full stop ,we do not seem interested in signing the top talent as they are to dear and want to much wages ,i also feel that when it comes to the top youngsters we seem hesitant to buy them as they could be two much of a risk ,so we go for the second tier of signing on both targets,

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  24. Well I really home Mignolet starts scoring :) but it he better not let goals in. As for Sturridge, after the surgery he had I don't think he is going to have that many games first half of the season.


    The truth is the game has become "Money Ball" - you need to buy goals.

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  25. Bye Bye Stewart Little good luck at west ham.

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  26. Apparently PSG are considering a move for Suarez now I hope this is true as he isn't going to go to a rival team and if he stays he is just going to be dead wood now and the squad needs some serious investment if we are going to push for a champions league place. I am becoming a little impatient waiting for the owners to cough up the cash in the meantime to bring in the players Brendan needs to achieve a champions league spot and in all honesty as it stands they have yet to live up to there end of the bargain and give Brendan the funds to compete with the usual suspects in the league. I believe we will add to the squad but the board need to make extra cash available on top of the money and wages saved by Brendan getting shut of expensive mistakes for Brendan to have a fighting chance of achieving FSG's expectations of a top four spot.

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  27. It would be nice if they came in and offered a good amount but i just dont know if this is a serious interest from PSG.

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  28. Probably just paper talk mate but I hope this one happens as I am fed up of this Suarez business now and we need to shut of him

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  29. Jk, when will you accept that you were completely wrong about Suarez leaving, huh? Why are you still in denial despite John W Henry quotes? You were so excited telling everybody that you were right and that we were wrong and that you told us so and blah blah blah...looking pretty silly now, huh?

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  30. True that, I just want it to all be over

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  31. Oh i wouldnt be rubbing anything til sept 2nd mate, risky game.

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  32. That's not the point. Rafa hadn't bought well for a while , Torres was his last big win. Stop acting like we've only bought badly since Rafa left, it was waaay before then.
    And Aquilani lost us more money than Carroll. Wages were higher, and we paid most of them when he went on loan. We got 3m back from bonuses and loan fees for Carroll. That makes £15m into £18m. And West Ham paid his £4m a year wage too. Dossena went for free, that's £7m lost. Keane, another 7m in 1 year, Riera lost £8m
    etc etc . And he let Hypia go instead of making him a player /coach. He would have been a lot better than Hodgson....

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  33. I think this is player that would be the best replacement for Suarez. He needs to be in before sale Suarez and I would start at £30 million. Whilst loathe to release to Arsenal I would if we got Martinez. But preferably get Suarez abroad. This deal is the one I want. Martinez has power in air and floor and knows the back of net. Mobile player can play in a three or lead the line.

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  34. Sorry wrong post.

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  35. Direct swap. Porto are in the Champions League so Suarez can be happy :-) As a matter of fact, they're in it every year.

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  36. I wouldnt be rubbing anything in until septv2nd mate, risky.

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  37. no brainer = no chance. Same team as last year (or even downgraded) 6th is our ambition

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  38. liverpool4life56512:58 pm, August 13, 2013

    Sterling ibe? Canos? Kid from Valencia? Their good youngsters who we brought :)

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  39. Toby is gone now. I hate believing you Jason, but maybe i should? 6th is the new fighting for the title

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  40. liverpool4life5651:00 pm, August 13, 2013

    Scared of coughing up big money? Mkhitaryan and costa willing to pay 21 million and 24 million. But both turned us down I wouldn't put that as being scared.

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  41. Which one cost £23m?
    Wanna bet we'll get more from the £20m we paid for sturridge and Coutinho than the £23m we paid for Torres?

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  42. There seems to be a lot of focus at the moment at Liverpool in lessening the wage bill. Reina gone, Downing gone, Carroll gone. I expect to see Skrtel gone before the window closes too. Almost like Ayre and FSG are clearing the decks of the big wage earners that don't fit Brendan Rodgers footballing profile. Only Gerrard, Johnson, Skrtel and Agger earning really big bucks (oh yes, Luis too currently).

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  43. Haha! Makes sense as ya lost me on that one mate

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  44. We lack ambition that's the problem. We would rather beg Suarez to stay than invest money to prove he should stay and if he goes then at least we have replacements. I look forward to selling Suarez on the last day of the window and Ayre packing up shop at 12pm after a poor (half) day work. No more buys, get used to the poor squad

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  45. I find all of this incredibly amusing. I remember when we were linked to Martinez every single soul on every LFC forum was up in arms because Martinez was not a big name, the price touted at the time (I think it was around 9 million quid) was far too high for a "nobody" and how could he be really coming from the Mexican league? A year on and he's a world beater. Maybe we should take a leaf out of Porto's book because they appear to find South American talent every year without fail. Lopez, Hulk, Falcao, Martinez. Maybe we shouldn't buy Martinez, maybe we should buy the guy Porto plan to replace him with!

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  46. I dont have an issue with lowering the wage bill if the players arent going to be crucial to the first 11.
    A few players resigned under KD and from what i remember had dramatically raised wages to go along with the extension (Spearing and Shelvey as examples).
    Hopefully the saved money appears in the form of the first team signings that BR spoke about.

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  47. I'm sorry i didn't realise we bought those players? I retract all my complaints...oh wait we didn't and as far as I know the club didn't confirm that we bid.

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  48. Be surprising if Juve are genuinely in for Martinez. They have brought in Tevez and Llorente. Very unlikely to sell Giovinco. Still got Vucinic, Matri and Quagliarella on their books. Need to offload at least two of them me thinks, to make room for any other forward. I do vaguely recall reading something about his agent denying that Juve are interested

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  49. liverpool4life5651:13 pm, August 13, 2013

    No but I'm saying we are not scared of putting in money alsoBR confirmed we had everything sorted for Mkhitaryan but we didn't get to speak to him before he joined BVB. Same with costa he signed a new contract instead. Players do not want to come to us anymore that's the reality that's why we have to go down the unknown route which I'm okay with.

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  50. Great post Mike! I got fed up a long time ago with all the Rafa fans banging on about how he made such great signings. He made a few but the majority were rubbish. I think Rogers is doing better than our last 3 managers with his signings so far.

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  51. Keane wasn't even a year. Half a season wasn't it

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  52. Been spending bad for the last two decades, with a sprinkling of good ones. Rafa had his fair share of duds too as illustrate to an extent by Mike

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  53. But wait a sec, I was told by Ayre and BR we are a big club and we can attract the big players still? So which is it, can we or can't we.


    Or could it be, they say we can attract the big players only until we have to use real money to pay for them and not fairy dust and thats when other players and clubs decide we are not really a good option?


    I'm sorry we are LFC, and while i am not expecting the top 20 players to join us, there are plenty of players out there for us as long as we can act fast and spend some actual money. Alderweireld has gone now, I guess he wasn't good enough for us? He'll probably go on and have a great champions league career

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  54. Theycallmemrburt1:21 pm, August 13, 2013

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23665483

    Downings gone!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fu8YIG8uyQ

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  55. liverpool4life5651:22 pm, August 13, 2013

    This window has proved we can't and we are talking about spending 20+ million on players not6 million. Obviously the scouts didnt give BR good feed back about him, they would know more than us. It's easy saying oh let's get this players or this player, but they have to sort it. Still time left to get players In. I am not worried.

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  56. Ive actually reached point today when i dont care about incoming players. we just made our squad stronger by not having Downing! im so happy i could cry. not to mention we slized a big chunk off our wages paid.

    IMO downing was a bigger flop than big andy.

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  57. Theycallmemrburt1:25 pm, August 13, 2013

    there's a party at mine and EVERYONES invited!!!

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  58. I agree it isn't easy, but every other team seems able to do this apart from us. Lets be honest you don't really need to high a quality player to actually improve our team. I like the signings we have got as squad improvements but we need first 11 improvements. Without this happening we can forget this season. How will we get top 4 we arguably a worse first 11 than last year?

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  59. I thought Rafa was interested

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  60. liverpool4life5651:31 pm, August 13, 2013

    We've signed 4 players already and supposedly 1 is going to be completed by end of the week, we just need to be patient. No point worrying, but BR has said he wants 4 more players, we got until 2 September, might go to the wire.

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  61. 4 players that haven't improved the first 11 in my opinion. BR says a lot and almost non of it comes true. Will this just be like last years summer farce?

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  62. liverpool4life5651:36 pm, August 13, 2013

    Mignolet is same as reina in my opinion, has looked good in pre season. Toure has replaced carra which is okay, Alberto has replaced Jonjo which is a improvement for me. Aspas has replaced Carroll improvement their too :)

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  63. Some people are falling into the doom and gloom trap but i can understand why.We were clearly short of quality last season and when you see SPURS improving their first team with players like PAULINHO and SOLDADO.
    But LFC has only made the bench stronger, the optimism i had going into the season is starting to diminish.Right now can we field a stronger side than what we finished with last season?
    If so the upgrade is minute.I don't want to sound like a broken record but we need quality first team players!

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  64. I would agree with Mignolet and Toure. But in my mind Carra was an emergency solution, we need better quality at CB. Jonjo and Carroll were not first choice and in my mind nor will Alberto be. Aspas looks good, but he is no way as good as Suarez and he will be filling Suarez's boots come the start of the season, this is a downgrade in first 11 starters. Either way you slice it, we have gone backwards. The great thing is, we are now selling squad players which means all the new signings we have made to strengthen the squad will be made redundant as we have now weaken the squad.


    It's hard to be patient when we have seen this all before and ultimately know how it will end. Without doubt we will "put bids" in for other players only not to sign them and BR pointing to the fact we can't attract big players any more!

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  65. I think he is the kind of player we want to sign. He looks good.

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  66. Yep, it looks like Napoli aren't done spending yet. Rafa been vocal about getting in another striker

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  67. we have downgraded and not upgraded at all. But that's ok, top half is our goal, wq should have enough to achieve that

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  68. Agree 100% with the dream scenario of signing while Suarez is still around. Not just for Suarez, but for the club - it signals to other teams and potential players that the team means business - i.e. they want to win.
    This is where the transfer policy has failed - rather than spending lareger sums on strong potential and proven players making a name for themselves, only slight less is spent on players who aren't quite proven. There's been enough value buys in Aspas et al, time for a big name (or soon to become a big name).

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  69. liverpool4life5652:03 pm, August 13, 2013

    That's why we have made a offer to sahko, and still waiting for papadopoulous to get fit. And we don't know if aspas can fill his boots or not but with Sturridge,coutinho and aspas upfront they would score goals which would do for the time being until Suarez is sold or comes back into the team. I don't think we've gone backwards. At all. Because we would have coutinho and Sturridge from the start then add more aspas and Alberto in who can chip in with a goals and assist. It's good plus Lucas looks back to himself also Allen looking good going forward, lets just wait and see what happens, I am not going to jump to conclusions.

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  70. As bad as he was season 1, and his cost and everything - he wasn't the worst performer last year, actually had some composure, and a positive impact. Not a big deal if he goes, so long as an equal or better goes in his place - question is, has tha happened?

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  71. I am sure we have put no offers in for Sahko and waiting for Papa, we could wait all year. Aspas to replace Suarez? If that is moving forward i would hate to see moving backwards. Our first 11 is the same as the end of last season with the exceptions of the goalie, which in my eyes is at the same level and Toure, which is a good signing, but shouldn't be first choice for me.


    My starting 11 would be


    Mingnolet


    GJ KT DA LE


    LL


    SG JH


    IA PC
    DS


    Compare this to (our best 11 last year)


    Reina


    GJ JC DA LE


    LL


    SG JH


    LS PC


    DS


    At best the teams are identical, but in honesty it is worse (a lot worse)

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  72. I just read it now haha. First one here to get a ban for being a sex pest! Stupid phone...

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  73. Ok we signed 4 players already, but how many first team players are gone? Are you of the opinion that the 4 players are going to be in the first team? 2 yes but the other 2 are squad players. We are in a worst position player wise from the end of last season. Yes BR could buy another 4 players, they will need to be first team players for us to improve our chances of finishing higher in the table than last season. 1 week to go before the start of the season and we will be without Suarez.

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  74. Lfc should let suarez leave

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  75. Skillwise, I'd say there's improvements in Mignolet and Kolo - how significant, can't say, but they are younger (relatively) and hungrier.

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  76. Mr. Point Of View2:15 pm, August 13, 2013

    Is a bit of shocking to me we sold downing at this point. Some believe is 5m (too low) or some said undisclosed fee. I know since BR coming in he were try to lure potential buyer for him. I tot he will given 1 more season as a squad rotation (base on we loan out suso and no covering on LB position). Now i predicting the BOARD is plotting something BIG

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  77. liverpool4life5652:26 pm, August 13, 2013

    1-downing.... Which ibe and sterling can replace. Also I said 4 players will be signed which will be first team players a LB,CB,LW and a another player in midfield or striker. Also we showed last year we can cope without Suarez for abit, we've added in the forward ranks with aspas which can tie us over for a few games until Suarez comes back(IF he stays)

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  78. Would love to see this move happen but imo it won't (hope i'm proven wrong). If he become available there will be plenty of clubs interested and the fact where not in the CL will hinder any chance of it happening unless we are the only club that bid for him. This is one of the main reason we don't sign proven class players because they want CL football. We have to accept this (as much as i don't like it as well) it's the way it is. We are slowly moving in the right direction under Rodgers and I believe if we could attract these sort of players FSG would sanction these deals. If Rodgers can sign players like Sturridge and Coutinho who have both made instant impacts when we will have a serious chance of getting back in the CL. There are little gems out there that we are working very hard to get. If you look at Sturridge and Coutinho the evidence is there that little gems can be acquired. The problem with big clubs is that they are constantly looking to buy better players whilst forgetting about the players they already have and that is where we can pounce. Their problem is our gain. There are players at these clubs who would defiantly improve our team and with a little bit of convincing (both the players and clubs) we will sign a few quality players. That's why it is taking time to get these quality players in. What won't happen is panic buys like we saw under KD. £20 -£35 million for average players is not a good transfer policy. This new one isn't ideal but it is certainly a step forward.

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  79. Sterling and Ibe aren't a step up - they lack experience and composure. They have more raw talent, but haven't honed it - I know, believe it or not, they are a step down from Downing.

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  80. Can't really bring Carroll into this - BR didn't even want to try him.

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  81. We have all seen this movie last season and this one so far. Rumors abound about bigger names to blend in with the youth, but facts and concrete actions are non-existent. All the rumors are exhausting and demoralizing as each one drifts into silence eg. Soldado, Gomez, Bony,Wanyama, and so many others.......

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  82. liverpool4life5652:35 pm, August 13, 2013

    But he the striker we have sold this season, I was on like to like positions. But true

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  83. Porto are definitely banking on their South American scouting.

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  84. I find it sad that fans expect respect from Suarez but now Downing has left fans left right and center will be disrespecting him calling him all the names under the sun (they did it even when he was one of our players) and one or two will do on here. I personally wish Downing all the best at West Ham. He tried his best for us and it didn't work out so lets not be sour about it and respect his efforts.

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  85. Here's my only question:

    Doesn't it seem a little bit like we'd be overspending for JM?


    Even though he had a great season last year, I feel like I'd rather go after someone who's proven capable in the prem already (For instance: Lukaku).

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  86. BR's position since he arrived was disassociate himself with KD's expensive signings (with the exception of LS). Carroll out, Henderson Out, Downing Out. Eventually he came to his senses slightly and played Downing and Henderson over his picks. He went so far as to leave Suarez as the lone striker, by lending out Carroll. I guess this season is where he can be truely judged by his decisions - unless something drastic happens, hard to see it improving much over last season.

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  87. Scott sinclair anyone? 66/1 into 5/4 to join LFC... Mmmh undecided.

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  88. maybe we could do a spurs ? instead of scouting for our selves we could just bid more money than porto ?

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  89. that's the level we are aiming at...there's more chance of Micheal Jackson playing at anfield than Jackson Martinez

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  90. Be nice if we could pick up some of the players they have been able but it is a unorthodox situation over in Portugal. Portuguese clubs, rightly or wrongly, benefit, to an extent, from having relationships with third party companies that deal in South American talent. I'd rather not take a leaf out of Porto's book in that regard but with Portuguese clubs struggling financially, I can understand to an extent why they resort to having third party companies owning a percentage of a player.

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  91. liverpool4life5652:55 pm, August 13, 2013

    Good signing, fast, great feet, and can score goals decent.

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  92. liverpool4life5652:55 pm, August 13, 2013

    What's wrong with him?:-)

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  93. Ha ha, well we're battling it out with west brom at the mo. my money's on him signing for the brummies, for a chance at european football... :)
    Ah im sure its just bookie money... i hope

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  94. as kieren says we did not sign them,who says we even attempted to sign them ,as long as fans believe the hype surrounding our so called attempted summer signings fsg will have a easy life,no signings of any major improvement, no money spent (net)wages reduced as far as i am concerned fsg have met the targets they set them selves ,we may get a few more half decent prospects but that is all .what happened to your 30 million transfer budget ,even you must start feeling a bit let down by now by our owners ,

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  95. we may well struggle to get 6th mate the other clubs have bought well ours are all hopeful buys

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  96. liverpool4life5653:00 pm, August 13, 2013

    Decent won 3-1 against Newcastle today, Sturridge two and Luis Alberto :)

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  97. no more rodgers old boys

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  98. Personally i thought Jason was insane, but the more the window goes on the more I think i was crazy to believe FSG. I hope to god they prove me and Jason wrong, but as time goes one i am doubting it.


    It seems likes months ago BR telling us during a press conference in Asia that we are now going to sign first team players. More lies?

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  99. liverpool4life5653:02 pm, August 13, 2013

    Rodgers said we did.and they got rid of under performing players also net spent doesn't matter. Is all about balancing the books

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  100. i was going to say he might play against us in a european competition ,but no your right not a lot of chance at all really

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  101. i hope i am wrong as well m8

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  102. liverpool4life can laugh at me all day long coz if he does then that means he was right and we have just signed 4 first team players. I still think we will have the last laugh

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  103. I agree. I think Mkhitaryan is a fantastic football player and I would have danced in the street naked had we signed him but he's not one of a kind. There are players of similar class available. I would believe the he was our top target story if we had signed our plan B instead. The way I see it, if there is no plan B, there never was a Plan A either.

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  104. oh well it must be true , and what football fan is more concerned with balancing the books than success on the field,because i am certainly not

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  105. Mr. Point Of View3:05 pm, August 13, 2013

    IF sam can uplift Carroll and Downing then we are total LOSER...
    Cant blame BR letting them go, every MGR has his own style and expectation even mistake !! Like u said is right, we totally judge BR in this season. He does make LFC more interesting but it is enuf to bring back where we suppose(hope) to be???

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  106. liverpool4life5653:05 pm, August 13, 2013

    For the money sterling and ibe are on they do more than downing.

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  107. Good point. I don't believe paying to third party owners is sanctioned in England (read that somewhere). Guess this where porto acts as a proxy and can get these players. I guess you could have a partner outside to "launder" the players so to speak, buy the player outright and then sell on.

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  108. oh i think they was a plan a ,and its all ticking along nicely for our owners

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  109. liverpool4life5653:07 pm, August 13, 2013

    I am not saying anything until the windows closes

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  110. Bang for buck is good - but with only 11 on the field you want the most impact per player (at a reasonable cost), no?

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  111. liverpool4life5653:08 pm, August 13, 2013

    Every club does it.... We will spend more money we still got 3 weeks to go. :)

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  112. the thing is mate we will not be laughing we will be dam p1ssed off

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  113. and if we do not you will still come out with the same excuses we tried to sign this player and that player

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  114. Jackson for anfield3:12 pm, August 13, 2013

    Sign him up! Sign him up! And fuck Suarez off I really hope supporters come out in force at anfield this weekend and make clear to Rodgers we don't want him and will never respect him again.*sigh* even sell him to arsenal. Nobody mucks around Liverpool we don't need his type around the club because like it or not his attitude rubs off on everybody

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  115. Of course by laughing i mean crying. What people forget is that ultimately we want the best thing for the club, we might have different views on how to achieve success but we all want it.

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  116. Mourhino will never let Lukaku go, he looks way too good. Have a feeling that kid's gonna be a top player.

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  117. liverpool4life5653:13 pm, August 13, 2013

    It's not a excuse though? It's a fact we are not big anymore to players, we are getting turned down, that's why we have to go down the unknown route.

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  118. i feel some fans are more concerned with fsg earning a good living ,and the football comes second,

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  119. jackson ....nothing i just cant see us signing him....sinclair hes a mid table prem player who chased the money at a big club rather than wanting to play...spearing is everything this guy isnt in wanting to suceed

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  120. Everyone has a price... I'd just prefer to overpay for Lukaku than Martinez based on the fact that Lukaku has had some success in the prem.

    While Martinez had a great season last year, he didn't do it in the prem. And I find it hard to believe he'd replicate those numbers here.


    It's also my reasoning for why the Spurs move for Soldado should be questioned more.

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  121. Then those fans need to have a good long look at them selves. FSG will come and go but LFC will remain forever (?)

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  122. look who spurs have signed ,swansea ,for gods sake even southampton and norwich ,have signed players that are as good if not better than we have,it is an excuse ,we lack ambition

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  123. liverpool4life5653:17 pm, August 13, 2013

    I don't really mind he replacing downing which to me Sinclair is better, but that's only my opinion.

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  124. on another note i see rogers is saying that agger has given his word he wont leave....an interesting statement considering suarez is saying rogers gave his word he could...perhaps rogers should get it in writing haha

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  125. when i get to the odd game this season i am going to see if they sell fsg scarves ,i am sure i could sell them on at a profit on here

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  126. so what times aggers plane due to land in spain;-)

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  127. liverpool4life5653:20 pm, August 13, 2013

    Who have Swansea signed? Bony? Only real name which sticks out for me. Norwich have signed who? Hooper? And that striker from sporting Lisbon. Okay their real world class... Let me ask you a question, did you know who alonso was before he came liverpool? Garcia? Reina? No, so let Rodgers bring this Spanish players in no harm in it, his transfers dealing so far have paid off and have done well.

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  128. liverpool4life5653:22 pm, August 13, 2013

    Good living, they put in over 480 million into liverpool then another 150-200 million for the stadium redevelopment, that's alot of cash not so,e change is it?

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  129. What really depresses me about this is the number of so called small clubs who seem to be doing the business in strikers. I get that maybe we cant offer the same thing as Madrid but what about Swansea ? two seasons in a row they have got top goal scorers in for reasonable money ( and yes we all knew Bony was going to kill it this season before he played a game) or even Norwich ! werent we in for wolfswhatsit a few seasons ago ? You cant tell me that Swansea, Norwich or even Southhampton can offer more than us ! and dont even get me started on Spurs

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  130. they did not put .480 million into the club ,and we will be paying for the stadium ourselves thats why they have took no action till ffp came in stop kidding youself

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  131. they are better than we have got plain and simple

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  132. i have just said the same thing m8

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  133. There were so many of us arguing that we should be signing Martinez last year, only to be shot down by the crowd who only rate a player once he has 'proved himself in the big leagues'.


    I totally rate Sturridge, and am convinced that he will be one of the best forwards in the league this year, but Martinez is just a complete striker.

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  134. No more of Rodgers' former players!

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  135. Its all about $$$$$$$$$. Either the offers aren`t high enough, aren`t being made, or wages offered arent enough.
    There are 2 reasons Suarez wants to go, 1) $$$$$ he`s on 80k a week, with incentives that boost that to 120k if he hits 20 goals. He make double elsewhere. The other reason is winning things, in any career you want to reach the top.
    From the clubs perspective it takes money to make money - by the looks of it, at least up until this point, the club does not see the odds in their favour for making champions league - otherwise they would make a bigger bet. They are being cautious, either they want to cash their chips in, save them for the next round, but they don`t want to bet large as they feel their hand isn`t good enough to provide a decent return on investment.

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  136. lol didn't notice your comment before I responded!

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  137. liverpool4life5653:28 pm, August 13, 2013

    300 million to buy us, 180 million spent on transfers ( the 18 million we have spent on agent fees not included in this figure) and that figure doesn't include youth imports either? No they will have to pay for it. They own the club. And took no action? Erm their still buying houses, then their the planning permission then we can start the work. Takes time Jason.

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  138. Why do people continue to believe that the Premier League is some mythical entity in which only a chosen few can flourish??


    The defending in the PL nowadays is as bad as it is anywhere else

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  139. liverpool4life5653:30 pm, August 13, 2013

    The thing is, if we do sign them our fans go "their not good enough" that's what happened when we signed mignolet,Toure,aspas and Alberto, then when they go to other clubs fans go why didn't we sign them? So either way liverpool can't win :)

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  140. liverpool4life5653:32 pm, August 13, 2013

    Bet you don't even know them, you're just being negative for the sake of it again.

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  141. " Will this just be like last years summer farce? i wouldn't be too surprised

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  142. can't compare Shelvey to Alberto

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  143. liverpool4life5653:38 pm, August 13, 2013

    Same position?:)

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  144. i mean he is not an improvement on Shelvey

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  145. liverpool4life5653:43 pm, August 13, 2013

    He will be, he shown his skill in pre season his passing range, and how he takes he chances show he a improvement on Jonjo. Jonjo was to aggressive didnt think just went in, Alberto is smarter

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  146. I don't know about Jason but I did and sure others did too, especially with Xabi being the next big thing at the time. They were hardly in B side obscurity at the time of their signing.

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  147. liverpool4life5653:50 pm, August 13, 2013

    My point is dont judge them before they've seen them play, in pre season they've been decent..

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  148. You are free to join other clubs. Man U brought in two players last year and won the EPL your facts don't hold water.

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  149. It is true, don't judge them before you seen them but in terms of using Xabi, Reina, etc, in the way you did, I disagree as they were a different kettle of fish in terms of how well known they were. When Reina was there, that was around the start of Villareal's European adventures, finished 3rd in his final season and was there for part of the wonderful Riquelme's peak. Aspas and Alberto simply do not have the same level of proven pedigree those players had at the time. Sorry for going on, I like reminiscing about Villareal, Depor and Valencia from back then. Lovely period in La Liga.




    To be honest, I don't pay any attention to how well players do in pre-season.

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  150. Ok i can see what your saying when it comes to the fabled "Marquee" signing and i know we have a lot of good youth players coming through and all of the above look like they can do a job BUT he who shall not be named had started spouting off before Bony went for 14m. Even if he hadnt everyone cpuld see that he was the kind of player who would score goals in this league. 14m and we could have had him and guess what ? we could still have got a Marquee signing in as well. One player, going or coming in, is not going to get us in the top three but a whole group of great players at mid range prices and the occasional bargain that would make a difference, Your right though but maybe they would have been happy with one BIG player and we could have snuck in some less fancied players like Alberto and Aspas without them being compared to other clubs top signings. Sorry mate I am ranting even though we are agreeing.

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  151. were did man u finish the season bfore and the season before that,and do not tell me who yo support nomark

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  152. so since they bought the club the club as not made one penny no tv money no sponsership no gate money,no nothing wow,so why are they charging me and many thousands others money for tickets

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  153. under performing players what about his own under performing players are they excempt the worst player at the club last season are arguably still there and are going nowhere

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  154. no your point is you keep changing your point ,remind me how much did we pay for a unknown alonso all them years ago now

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  155. that's your opinion ...some interesting stats on a site are showing that downing had more assists than gerrard and Suarez last year....i watched evey liverpool game last year in one form or another and there where far worse performers lets hope who rogers brings in is better and can hold down a place

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  156. Tbf, I hate the way he's going about it, but understand Suarez's desire to move.


    As far as he can see, LFC want him to stick around for another of his peak years, during which he is very unlikely to achieve anything of substance with the club.


    The club signing some reserves, bench players and relegation battlers definitely would not convince me that we are about to bridge the gap and be challenging for major trophies, so why waste another year when the opportunities available elsewhere may not be quite as attractive in a years time...

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  157. Pepe and Carra weren't first team players? How many games did Sterling and/or Ibe start ahead of Downing? 4 new first team players is a minimum if Suarez leaves

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  158. If by last year you refer to last season, then whoever is peddling those stats is totally wrong.

    * Downing got 6 assists last year; Gerrard got 11 (17 in total if you include England). Suarez got 5 assists, but he scored goals regularly, which Downing did not.

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  159. well at least downing didn't want to sit about like Sinclair and just collect a cheque...ive a lot of time for charlie adam, downing, spearing and co they all wanted to play for liverpool and when they realised they where not gonna be picked have moved on to carry on playing added to that they have mot slagged off the club...i wish then well

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  160. You've been looking in the mirror again:-)

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  161. ill trawl back and find the site in question if i can be arsed

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  162. 1. The league itself is considered better than most other leagues in terms of an overall level of competition.
    2. The adjustment of living in a new location has a bigger effect on some people than others. This is regardless of league.


    I think the two ideas I've listed here are reasonable.

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  163. walcot chamberlian zaha ,these were the real top young players thats why they went for big bucks ,but not to us ,sterling will be out in a few years ,ibe looks god ,and as for some kid from barca give me a break

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  164. there are clubs in the second division which have more history than the top teams in spain and france

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  165. is that supposed to be funny ha bloody ha,were all rolling round in fits of laughter,your wasted on here m8 you should be on the stage

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  166. Football has changed. The days of clubs submitting bids first then talking to the player are gone. Now it's the other way round with agreements with the agent before approaching the club. Arsenal did it with Higuain then stalled on speaking to RM which allowed Napoli to jump in
    And that's why we didn't get HM, his agent refused to meet with LFC hence no never got to submit a bid.

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  167. I was not born yesterday but i have been around long enough to know how the current incarnation of Liverpool likes to do business. That is the LIverpool under Brendan Rogers. While Jackson Martinez is a marquee player and might be making all the right noises Liverpool will certainly not jump in the fray and pursue Martinez as long as other big clubs are in the picture. Why?


    (1) the player strike record is impressive and Liverpool will have competition for his signature. Liverpool doesn't compete for top class players when other clubs are also interested we can see that in their pursuit of Christain Eriksen (who has been linked to us since adam and eve walked the Earth) and Henrikh Mkhitaryan.


    (2) Once upon a time Liverpool would spend a lot of money on proven talent. Players who score for fun like Mkhitaryan (25 last season) or Martinez who as mentioned above scored 34 goals in 43 appearances would have been signed. Instead Liverpool has pursued players like Stewart Downing for 20 million who while at Middlesborogh 181 appearances only to score 17 goals. He played 2 seasons for Aston Villa making 63 appearances scoring 9 goals. At this point i know why Liverpool might be interested in him. As of February this year Downing had taken 34 shots on goal only to score 1 goal for Liverpool. Yesterday August 12 2013 Downing had been moved on to West Ham with Liverpool swallowing a loss of 15 million on the deal.


    Downing is an example of the type of player Liverpool pursued when FSG provided lavish funds for transfers. That practice has now stopped thanks to Kenny Daglish. I do not believe Brendan Rodgers has the guts nor the balls to pursue Jackson Martinez aggressively because he is certain to have competition for his signature with the likes of Chelsea, City , or Spurs who will have no problem paying a lot of money for top class talent. Liverpool is cheap these days if nothing else. The Liverpool way has been a failure and it's time to try something else for a change.


    The Suarez meltdown can be seen as a good thing cause it will cause Liverpool to take a closer look at it's self in other to improve some of their business practices.

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  168. Yet we regularly see foreign players come in and hit the ground running, and likewise we see just as many (if not more in the case of LFC!) British counterparts flounder upon their transfers

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  169. liverpool4life5654:56 pm, August 13, 2013

    My point was that they haven't made money for themselves. They spent alot on us, which throws your point of them making money out of the window.

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  170. liverpool4life5654:58 pm, August 13, 2013

    Why do you think he wants to leave now? He could easily sit on his contract, so you saying that is wrong...

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  171. liverpool4life5655:00 pm, August 13, 2013

    We did go after chamberlin? But he chose arsenal because he supports them, Zaha is over rated. And people wanted sterling? And ibe? Point.and kid from barca is doing well at the moment even barca wanted to keep him we done well to get him :)

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  172. liverpool4life5655:03 pm, August 13, 2013

    I know that, he saying he sat on his contract, when he was a young player and when a big club(currently) come in for them they say yeah.

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  173. Fair play to him that he wants to move, what wages were city paying him for the year?

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  174. i think BR has seen enough from Ibe and Sterling preseason that he doesnt think Stu is needed. which was my thoughts during preseason. why should we keep him when we got not 1 but 2 promising wingers coming trough youth ranks, who give superior endproduct to him

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  175. its in Uk right? im gonna book flights asap=)

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  176. I'm not specifying this to British players only.


    I'm specifying to players who have already played here.

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  177. Martinez, Liverpool, you're funny.......

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  178. Wont happen...every single year we get caught pussy footing around. I blame ian ayre and whoever else for loosing out on upcoming talent and not pushing through deals early so the likes of spurs cant sneak in and take tgem

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  179. We regularly see foreign players come in from abroad and hit the ground running, and likewise, we see just as many (if not more in the case of LFC!) British counterparts flounder upon their transfers from English clubs to other English clubs...

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  180. It is extremely hypocritical to talk about 'loyalty' when it is only supposed to go one way - whether that is from the perspective of the player, or that of the club.


    I never wanted Downing to join LFC (well not for anywhere near £20m at least!) and did want him to move on, but did not begrudge him his right to stick around.

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  181. Sinclair was at the club for a year. Obviously he hoped that things would go differently upon his arrival. The transfer hasn't worked out and now he'd be happy to move on to kickstart his career again. It's not that big a deal...

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  182. The site was probably referring to "Chances created" or some other such trivial stat, rather than actual goals and assists...

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  183. Are you agreeing with me or not i think you are :-) haha

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  184. Yea, I was in agreement and gave you the thumbs up!


    I was just making it clear why while I was one that has long called for the sale of Downing (along with that of Skrtel, Borini and anybody else with greater transfer value than on pitch value), I do not view myself as a hypocrite at all

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  185. I thought you were. I'm half asleep haha I share your views but i do think Skrtel has something to offer. He and Agger built up a good partnership before he was dropped for carra last year. His form did slip and i can understand why Rodgers recalled carra but they know each others game and if Toure and agger or who ever plays along side Agger don't form a good partnership then Skrtel and Agger would easily revert back to that good partnership they had in KD last season.

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  186. That's good then an improvement for now, I don't care if its 1 place a year, as long as our team is improving that's all a fan can ask for

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  187. In all fairness Jason you don't SUPPORT anyone, I haven't seen one sign of support all summer, even when we've got people, NON have been deemed good enough for LFC by you. Personally I think were going to do well this season and get top 4 regardless of if we sign anyone, we create more chances have more possession than anyone else in the league, we have goal scorers all over the place, its going to happen via hard work and EVERYONE is working hard isnt that a good thing? Yeah the manager is Cheesy but he is very committed to the cause and the players are believing in him the least we can do is give Them all time, 2-3 weeks in the window still, Plenty of time to make a difference


    PS we have missed out on probably 1 maybe 2 players this window, just because a player says hes leaving does not mean were going to go and try to get them, regardless of what some tabloid says

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  188. I know, were not missing out on anyone its not that they haven't tried enough to get these players its down to the fact they aren't even going in for them, then the idiots here go OMG ayre let him go lets sack him... No maybe we just don't want them.


    I'm going to let some of you in on a little secret ...


    Tabloid newspapers wanting to sell papers Lie
    Agents wanting to sell players Lie
    Clubs wanting to sell players Lie
    Players wanting to be sold Lie


    I KNOW SHOCK HORROR, now you can all stop getting your knickers in a twist because the daily mail tells us were looking at someone

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  189. That and im pretty sure they have already outscored and out assisted him since last season? Downing got a handful of goals at LFC, Ibe and Sterling have had some already, work it out in playing time and im sure those two will come out over SD

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  190. No were concerned about the huge debt and dwindling income due to such high wages for mediocre players, we will lower all outgoings then get the stadium, then pay for our own players before Fair play comes in. They are being smart for the long run anyone with half a brain cell can see that, players will come in, for all you know he have put bids in and teams are just waiting to see if they can get more before they confirm we just don't know! They don't have to confirm shit to us they are doing big money business not buying a mars bar...

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  191. Well if the first half isn't done you don't get the second part of it Jason

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  192. Your right Jason they have done the same with the Red Sox look at them now they went into the red and all the players were sold off after the team dropped 4 divisions.... Oh wait that didn't happen they ended up in top positions season after season and won their league twice since a 86 year drought, as their fans how they like FSG then STFU and give it some FUCKING time, so far they are doing everything right and all you can do is cry they stuffing us before they have even finished the window, moan all you want after sept the 2nd but fuck me Jason youve made my summer miserable on here, I just want a nice read and every day its DOOm and GLOOM from you

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  193. Carr & Kieren go & support the Toffees. U clowns would complain if you won the Lotto!!!! Willian linked, Sakho bid, show some patience & belief, if not p*ss oof

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  194. We really need to get Martinez or Willian from Shaktar and let Suarez go as much as it hurts to say, just so BR has time to start preparing properly for the season. IMO we also need another LB & holding CM so Cortinho can play just behind the striker.

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  195. AMEN. We still appear to be unbelievably indecisive about who we really want. We have been linked to just about every player in Europe and its all bunk. I just hope BR gets some focus and build while there is time left. Really HATE the idea of starting another year in disarray upfront, in idfield and in the back. Skrtel and Coates should be gone and replaced with Siqueira, Sakoh and maybe even Cissoko. We have been linked to a million midfielders but none are coming it seems. Bring Johnson to midfield if the 3 d's mentioned above get signed.

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  196. Sorry my mistake Willian from Anzhi.

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