18 Jul 2013

I Quit: €4m star to discuss LFC exit in 'a couple of days'. Who failed...?

Another one bites the dust. Liverpool appear to have finally given up on Spanish winger Dani Pacheco, and it looks like he may be the next Reds player out the door this summer.

Liverpool left £3m-rated Pacheco off the club's tour to Indonesia this summer, a surefire sign that he's not in Brendan Rodgers' plans for next season. The snub prompted the Spaniard to post the following on Twitter:

"Finally not traveling to Asia. Will talk about my future this season in next couple of days. Thank you. YNWA"

That certainly sounds like a goodbye message, and according to the Daily Mail today:

"Celta Vigo are in talks to sign Liverpool striker Dani Pacheco, who is likely to join the Spanish side on loan at first".

After joining the Reds in 2007 from Barcelona's academy, Pacheco made just 17 appearances in five years, which is massively underwhelming for such an obviously talented player.

Pacheco's exit comes as no surprise, however. In an interview with the official Liverpool FC website in November, he stressed that he is 'determined to make it at Liverpool', but he also expressed his disappointment at being regularly ignored. He said:

"It's difficult when you don't play too many games. You get confidence by playing every week and I haven't done that yet. If I didn't have the belief that I could become a regular here I would have left already. I'll try to make sure that in the near future that happens. If it doesn't happen I will move on and try to make it somewhere else".

Pacheco is only 21, but he must privately feel that he's wasted five years of his career. It's a massive shame because he is a talented player, and if Rodgers had given the youngster the same opportunities as Suso and Sterling, it's possible he may have grown into the team.

Who is to blame for Pacheco's failure to make it Anfield? The youngster has to take some responsibility for his own development, but in my view, Liverpool have failed to effectively develop Pacheco.

He arrived at the age of 17, and the club's job is to develop him to the extent that he is ready for the first team. That clearly hasn't happened, and it's just Pacheco's bad luck that he arrived at a time when the club was on the verge of serious turmoil.

Four consecutive LFC managers have basically ignored Pacheco, and I don't see how can he get experience or build any rhythm/understanding with his team-mates if he's never given a proper chance in the team?

Pacheco's experience should be a warning to the increasing number of young players arriving at Anfield. Getting to the club is just the first step; the chance of actually breaking through and becoming a first team regular is - on current evidence - extremely slim, and it's worthwhile thinking about the career-impact of that.

On a related note, if Celta Vigo are interested, it looks like they may see Pacheco as a replacement for Iago Aspas...






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52 comments:

  1. I disagree with you Jamie. Everytime i have seen Pacheco playing recently he has been average.

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  2. I remember when first arrived under raffa, when ever he had a chance to come on he excited me with his creativity and energy. He isn't a striker he is more of a Coutihnio and is as good. We will be sorry over this one.

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  3. Prior to the Preston friendly, Pacheco had played just 115 minutes of football (1.2 games) for Liverpool since July 2012.


    How is he supposed to build rhythm/understanding with his team-mates with that level of pitch time.


    The Preston game was his first appearance since November 2012.

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  4. i don't think he is or was any lfc star. average players and thus needs to be shipped out.

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  5. Hi JK long time no speak hope alls good.

    You know what i dont understand? When we loan players out, why not do it to premier league clubs so then they can be judged on the league they play in but without having the same pressure as a perm transfer? Pacheco should have been at least loaned to a championship club again last season so he could be judged there or toughened up. His talents been wasted a bit.

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  6. Hey Chucky. Totally agree with you. Pacheco is obviously talented, and a loan to a Prem/CL club would've toughened him up, and got him acclimatised to English football.

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  7. Very simplistic viewpoint, it's either the clubs fault for not focussing on this one player to ensure he makes it into the first team or it's the players fault for not trying hard enough. There are a lot of caveats in making it as a professional, it's not all just about effort or skill, players need to develop the mental toughness in the academy to survive when they do get the opportunities at Senior level.

    Has Pacheco? No, and I don't think anyone can argue that he has shown the required toughness. Very few Premiership clubs actually bring through players into the first team anymore from academies, He's had several loan periods including Season 11/12 where Pacheco out to Atheltico Madrid with a view to getting a permanent contract and they sent him out to another Madrid La Liga side Rayo Vallencano to get games/ watch him and nothing came of it. Did he come back to LFC and rip up stumps to prove everybody wrong? No he didn't, and the fact remains that none of the four other clubs who've had a look at him haven't come banging on the door to sign him. This proves that he's one of those players who looks great on Video reel, but there is something missing in his make-up.



    He's 22 now so he needs to be playing somewhere permanently even if it's Championship or Segundo Divisions for a couple of seasons, and it might help to toughen him up a little mentally...

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  8. Thats true Jaimie, but I figure it must be about how he trains and carrys himself around the training pitch. Maybe he dosent put in as much effort into training as other team mates. But thats just speculation of course.

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  9. What you should be asking is, why didn't he get that chance? A clearly talented player who gives 100% at training will get a chance to sign.

    Maybe he's lazy, maybe he just wants a paycheck with minimal effort, maybe he has a chip on his shoulder and believes the world owes him one.

    We just don't know.

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  10. You're right, it could be all the things you mention, but it might also be none of them. Pacheco is not the first young player to hit the LFC scrapheap. There are literally dozens over the last 10-15 years, and not all of them can be lazy/out for a paycheck with minimal effort.

    There have to be some occasions where the club has just failed to develop the player properly.

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  11. If you are not good enough, (and Pacheco is not good enough) then go find your own level, and best wishes. Anyone tells me he is a good EPL player needs glasses, Looks great against youngsters, and reserves, but cant do it at the top level, as we have seen with his loan spells. Good but not good enough.

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  12. He didnt do it on loan and couldnt do it for us so sad to say but maybe he just wasnt right for us ?

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  13. Its a tough one to judge. On one hand you could blame LFC for not playing him, but you could blame Pacheco for maybe not applying himself properly.

    Its not as if LFC don't give youngster opportunities. Clearly there must have been something lacking from his training, whether that be attitude or potential.

    People say, you only get out what you put in.

    I have been a fan of him, but I have always felt like he never really took his opportunities as well as he could have.
    Good luck to him though!

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  14. Completely agree with this, should have sent him to someone like Sunderland, Wigan etc.... Look what happened to Lukaku.
    Maybe he didn't want to though?

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  15. I think it is more than likely both the club and players fault. I like Dani, I think (from what i have read) that he is a great lad and i would love to see him make it at LFC. But since 4 managers haven't really fancied him i wish him all the best at his next club and hope he has a fantastic career. I think he might have just been unlucky with circumstances and maybe if he had joined under BR he would have gotten more of a chance.


    But i think LFC, right now is a great opportunity to youngsters, more so than other top 4 hopefuls as this is the road we look like going down, bringing in youngsters to the first team to save on buying expensive stars.

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  16. I think we can all agree that alot of youngsters have come and gone over the years and a big question has to be asked if it is indeed bad recruiting in the first place or bad development.
    They cant all be gold.

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  17. None of the clubs he has been loaned to have busted a gut to sign him either. So that makes at least 6 managers who don't see enough in him . Coincidence? Unlikely.

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  18. I Have been a fan of Pacheco's and when BR took over i thought he was gonna have a chance to jumpstart the career in this playing scheme.
    Unfortunately it didnt happen and a loan to a PL club could have really helped but did any PL teams want him?
    Im sure someone would have raised their hand and said "we'll take him" when we sent him to he segunda

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  19. if he has had the opportunity to train and be involved in the senior set up, then a large portion of blame lies with the player. if you have been given the tools and (which i can't believe never happened) guided down the path of how they want him to play within the framework, if you still can't push on, then it is right that the club cut ties with th the player and concentrate on those who are behind him in the queue.

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  20. 'if he joined under BR he would have 'gotten' more of a chance', makes no sense whatsoever. he has had a year now to show what he can do, under brendan and he still hasn't made an impact. how is it that suso, sterling, wisdom, all had a chance and (to a certain point) took it? pacheco couldn't cut it, end of.

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  21. What i was trying to say is that if he was a young player signing under BR he would have gotten more of a chance as i think BR (and by extension FSG)'s policy is to promote from within instead of buying. When Rafa was in charge we were not in a position to do this, we needed to maintain top 4 so we couldn't take as many risks on young talent. Now, under BR we have almost nothing to lose, we can promote from within.

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  22. The real question is "how many of those youngsters have developed into anything afterwards?". I honestly can't name one. Babel never amounted to anything after his move away, neither did Insua, not to mention a bunch of younger players we have floating around now including Darby, Spearing and Ayala (to name a few).
    You can say Liverpool's training isn't up to standard but the likes of Suso, Sterling, Kelly and a raft of other players says otherwise.
    In my opinion Liverpool's only competence in the transfer market has been knowing when to sell players who won't make the grade. N'Gog, Shelvey and now possibly Suso

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  23. Mr. Point Of View2:00 pm, July 18, 2013

    hahaha even can sense he pissing off but still wrote YNWA waahaaaa LFC spirits

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  24. Sorry but if he was that good, wouldn't there be interest from Prem clubs to get him in? I haven't really heard of anyone banging on about how much they want him. I think he has potential but that's all it is...Potential. Sometimes players need something more to make the grade. However, if you look at players with REAL quality, destined to make it, other Prem clubs do go in to take them e.g. Lukaku.

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  25. Mr. Point Of View2:05 pm, July 18, 2013

    same thing happen rafa did to sinama....every mgr has his expectation

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  26. its a pity but hey ho that's football a bit light weight and didn't lift his head up when he had the ball. better off elsewere to try a build a career for himself
    seems a good kid best of luck to him

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  27. Valid point... in fact, didn't he get loaned out by one of the clubs that picked him up on loan as well?

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  28. I don't think you can put the blame solely on BR. Pacheco didn't get much credit from any of the managers.
    He should have been involved much more during the last few seasons, though, it is important to see that when he was loaned out he didn't make an impression either, so some of the fault must be on the player.

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  29. it still makes no sense. pacheco and those i mentioned have all operated under br, from day one of his arrival. so why have those i mentioned progressed and pacheco hasn't, since day one to a year on?? when a new manager comes in, he starts with a clean slate. everyone has the chance to impress and push on. those mentioned could and did, pacheco had exactly the same time and chance. he didn't/ couldn't cut it.

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  30. coz i guess he is older? that's my point. At 22 you are not the next big thing, you should already be pushing for a first team place. I think if a 17 year old Pacheco joined LFC now then he would have a better chance than the one who joined under Rafa

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  31. I feel sorry for the lad. I always felt he had the grade to be a first team regular but then he does lack something or else not all managers that have come to LFC wouldn't have loaned him if they thought highly of him. If he's in talks with Celta Vigo then it'd have been better if we had a cash + player deal for Iago Aspas because that would have lowered the fees even more.

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  32. he played better than Ibe, Allen and Handerson, but unlike those players he never really get a chance to proof what he capable of doing.....so i think he deserve a 2nd chance. re-sign and loan out for celta vigo for 1 season

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  33. Completely agree with this.

    I myself also can not think any young player we have let go who has gone on to do great and I wished we had kept.

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  34. Why is he obviously talented? In what games for which clubs has he show this talent?

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  35. One of the examples/reasons why I don't get excited or even that fussed when we buy young talents or even when they do well in the youth ranks or even some that impress in a handful of first team games early. It is nice picking up a young player for a few mill max and hoping that he turns into a player that is worth at least £15m+ but it is a tough ask.

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  36. Pacheco was loaned to Norwich in 2011. He played 6 matched for them and they decided to call him a miss. Other Championship teams would have taken note of how he was fairing at Norwich back then. No other English club came back for him.



    To much hype was being made about him. He just ain't good enough.

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  37. age is irrelevant. every player of varying ages has had to adapt to whichever system has been implemented. some can adapt, some can't. he and a few others fall into the latter. while his a*se faces the floor, he was never going to make the grade. he has had four managers now to try and make an impact and hasn't done it. why? he just ain't good enough, full stop.

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  38. Age has something very much to do with it. If Pacheco was 18 now and working under BR I think he would have a chance in the first team. Unfortunately for Dani, when he should have been braking through our team was full of top p,ayers and there wasn't room in the team. Now he , at 22, is too old to be breaking through and therefore should be moved on. He probably has as much talent as Sterling, Ibe and Coady but now he is too old

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  39. At Pacheco's preferred position who should be on the bench for him to play? We have seen him play so this argument is not valid.

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  40. As per what Chan said below, adding that for me he is to blame for not making it. Of all our young players he has been given the biggest chance of any of them by being sent on loan years after year, giving him the perfect chance to show what he can do. You cant blame the club for that. If he had been kept in reserves for 6 years and no loans then you blame the club.

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  41. lol Jaimie your watching a different players to me...a couple of fancy filcks don't make a footballer.....As a club Liverpool are now obsessed with buying these types of POTENTIAL players ...my fear is that suso and the rest will go the same way... that's more than likely why downing says hes staying he looks at who is being brought in and thinks this shower are no better than me

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  42. they have certainly gone

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  43. He just hasn't cut the mustard sadly.

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  44. No youngster will make it at Liverpool. Neither Pacheco, nor Sterling, nor Suso, nor anybody else currently at the academy. The reason is rather simple: Right now, these players are inferior to the proven ones in the squad and inferior to relatively cheap options on the transfer marktet like Aspas et al.

    If they would get regular playing time, they could eventually become superior players because they might possess more potential and more talent. However, to unearth that potential, the club would need to sacrifice short-term success, because right now the youngster are just not yet good enough.

    Teams like Barcelona, Bayern and a few others who completely dominate their domestic league can afford this type of investment and hand the youngsters enough opportunities to become first-team players.

    At Liverpool the situation is somewhat different. We need every point we can get to compete for a top 4 finish, so we can't afford that luxury of developing our players. We are a club that is always on the edge of competing for the top 4. The youngsters might have a better chance to develop at clubs like Swansea or Stoke, clubs that will likely finish between 7th and 13th and for which it does not matter if they drop a point or two along the way ...

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  45. Hi Jamie, i think if he was good enough ala Michael Owen, god etc he,d have made it, not many of these young lads we've eventually let go have us seriously regret it, sinama, le tallec, etc, etc, we seemed interested in Tom Ince but i can't say he,s a massive loss

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  46. Theycallmemrburt2:51 am, July 19, 2013

    BR wanted him gone as soon as he walked through the door. He said on 31st Aug 2012

    "Daniel is one I've already spoken to. He is a young player who has
    been here for a number of years and now he needs to go out and play, so
    there is a possibility that Daniel will go out either on loan or on a
    permanent deal."

    fantastic talent but his face didn't fit...........and life goes on.

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  47. Can't really blame LFC for Pacheco's development if players like Sterling, Wisdom, Ibe, and many other youngsters are developing well. Maybe, the problem is Pacheco's himself.

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  48. Four managers overlooked him they all cannot be wrong time for Dani to find pastures new/

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  49. Hi Jaimie, not every young talented player has the mental strength to make. I agree the club are to develop them, but something has to come from within the player. Ibe on his first appearance for the club was impressive and will surely get another chance. Dani did play for the reserves, so it isnt like he hasn't played football at. The truth is he wasn't good enough to step to the next level.

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  50. Its the players fault not the clubs kelly has developed well and sterling some players think they have mafe it when they sign for lfc truth is untill they win champions league or premeirship they are nobodys .

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  51. I think the article says it all: 4 consecutive managers haven't felt like Pacheco deserved a few regular starts in the senior team. I know players go on all the time about needing confidence from getting games and time on the pitch but I think something has to first come from the player. It's not the job of the manager to throw young hopefuls into a match and simply hope they'll do OK, there has to be strong evidence on display. Pacheco has had a long time of being in a position to impress during training and he's not managed to do it. What's most important to me is the very fact that Rodgers has shown himself willing to give younger players a go. Quite simply if you're good enough you're old enough. That says to me that Pacheco isn't good enough. When we've had injuries and a lack of depth to deal with Dani hasn't even got a look in. I don't really know what it's all about but I suspect there is an issue in there somewhere. Attitude, strength, intensity ... who knows? The only conclusion we can come to as fans is that we haven't seen enough of him to know. However let's be clear: that doesn't mean he hasn't been given a chance to impress. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen behind the scenes. Dani has had more than one manager take a long hard look at what he's got to offer. None of them have been impressed enough so far.

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