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23 Jul 2013

'He understands LFC' - Reds make £18m offer & agree terms with 'unique' star

Last week, Reds legends Jan Molby and Robbie Fowler revealed their indifference to the proposed signing of Danish midfield maestro Christian Eriksen, with Molby in particular seemingly against the deal altogether. The Eriksen situation is developing into one of the most tedious transfer sagas of the summer, but new reports today suggest that the Reds have finally taken concrete action in their bid to capture the player.

According to multiple reports today:

* Liverpool have put in a €21m (£18m) offer for Eriksen.

* A deal is close to being agreed.

* Eriksen has already agreed personal terms with Liverpool.

Additionally, former Liverpool winger Ryan Babel has confirmed that he is trying to convince Eriksen to join the Reds. He tweeted today:

"For the LFC fans who have questions about Eriksen, I've gave [sic] him enough information about the club during past season, so he understands LFC. In my opinion, it's LFC who have to make the real effort to get him, then I'm confident for a good ending".

This follows Babel's tweet in May, when he claimed:

"I am convincing [Christian] Eriksen to join Liverpool. He asked me about the club and I hope he joins"

During a recent discussion about Eriksen's future, Jan Molby seemed to imply that signing the midfielder would be a mistake. He told the 5-Times Podcast :

"I don’t believe Liverpool were ever interested in him [Eriksen]. I liked him two years ago. He’s very talented. Perfect balance, and as two-footed as you’d ever want to be, but he has failed to take the next step".

Robbie Fowler also seemed indifferent:

"I’ve seen him [Eriksen] a few times. He’s consistent and he’s steady, but he’s never frightening brilliant"

Bruce Grobbelaar, however, is in favour of signing Eriksen. He told TalkSport:

"If they get rid of Suarez then Liverpool can go to Ajax and get Christian Eriksen and Toby Alderweireld. That would be a great coup"

Fellow Dane Daniel Agger is also a big fan of Eriksen, and in May 2012, he told Ekstra Bladet:

"Eriksen has the potential to become world-class. There are no boundaries to what he can achieve. He really is a weapon for us [Denmark]. He adds creativity, and always wants the ball. He's also capable of taking set pieces with both feet. The way he kicks the ball is truly unique".

Last week, Ajax boss Frank De Boer suggested that a move to Anfield would be a retrograde step for £15m-rated Eriksen. He told Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad:

"If ­Liverpool go back to really good possession play, it can be a success for Christian. But it does mean that their entire way of playing has to change. It is up to Christian what he wants. If he feels good going to ­Liverpool anyway, then it is up to him.”

According to Molby, Eriksen has regressed in the last three months to the extent that he's 'failed to take the next step'. I'm not sure many would agree with that, and I suspect that a high proportion of Liverpool fans would be extremely happy to see Eriksen sign for the club.

Alas, I doubt the Reds will be able to pull off this signing. Babel states that LFC 'have to make the real effort to get him', and pulling out the stops to sign a high-value player doesn't appear to be Liverpool's strong suit. The club will probably dither, lowball, and/or ultimately fail to convince Eriksen to sign.

I'd definitely be happy with the signing, and if Babel plays a part in convincing the young Dane to sign for the Reds, then he'll probably be anointed an honourary LFC legend ;-)






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137 comments:

  1. I would say he would be a great alternative, not as finished a product as Miki, but capable of creative inputs and a very good free kick taker

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  2. liverpool4life56511:55 am, July 23, 2013

    Eriksson is a very good player, has goals and can provide a number of assists. If he signs I think we need another clinical striker....

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  3. I would like to see him at Liverpool. Better option to Allen and Henderson. I think someone would have to leave after though. I would say Allen, but I cant see that happening.

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  4. you molby has eye for attacking talent if he says he is bad he is bad no arguments ...... also if eriksen comes it means coutinho on the left again i dont want that that would be a mistake

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  5. liverpool4life56512:02 pm, July 23, 2013

    Ericsson and coutinho can interchange positions. Would be hard to pick up then :)

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  6. good signing..BUT i feel he'll not be ablr to make instant impact..Overall, it would be a coup for rodgers..C'mon on brendan get him or milan will steal this away.

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  7. Albert Nana Hagan12:04 pm, July 23, 2013

    I completely agree with you .they would greatly improve the team.Toby is a natural leader and a remarkable passer

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  8. Sign him and another £20m rated attacker and we are top 4 again

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  9. Still not convinced that he really wants to come to us but if he does great especially if the defender comes as well and then get in Yilmaz and happy days !
    I know im dreaming but its a nice dream

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  10. so we have agreed personal terms with the player but not a fee,when suarez was supposed to have done this with real fans were in uproar ,but the other way round its great news,and i will believe it when he signs and not until,at one stage we were supposed to be a lot closer to signing hk and look what happened there

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  11. If i remember the Molby article correctly his advice was more along the lines that he is not the finished article yet but could develop into a great player. even what he says above is pretty much the same and who is to say he cant make the step up with us

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  12. I hope he signs for us now because Milan have placed a bid and Honda has accepted to move to them so we do have a chance of convincing Eriksen to favor us over them. Might be better alternative to Henkrikh Mkhitaryan than the other players we're being linked to and he also has CL experience.

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  13. mr banana killer12:21 pm, July 23, 2013

    eriksen and toby would be great signings! and if we keep suarez as well we will have a very real chance of getting top 4

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  14. i agree someone like soldado or yilmaz

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  15. Do the multiple reports not all come from the same original report in Tutto Mercato though?

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  16. we have enough rough diamonds time to go for the polished ones !

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  17. my money on spurs hijacking this move ;)

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  18. The only difference is that we seem to be -signing- bidding for the player in the 1st place. Only the Arse have bid for Nibbler. It's not uncommon for negotiations between clubs ongoing but players terms already sorted. Also don't entirely believe Real will go all in to sign Nibbler any way.

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  19. bernard or eriksen

    i think bernard would suit coutinho

    samba magic at lfc

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  20. we will have m8 shame it will not happen

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  21. shakhter said they never recieved a bid,we may have talked to his third party owners,afancy name for agents

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  22. i doubt there his anything to hijack

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  23. yes they do m8 it has been given a new lease of life according to some sites ,because of something babble as put on his twitter account,

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  24. Another swipe at the club based on assumption you've made on how they do business. Why are you so convinced that the club engage in the methods you say they do? There is so very little information out there to back it up, the best you can do is guess. Apart from Mhkitaryan we've have zero problems with signings since the start of the January window and in that instance the player himself made it crystal clear why he joined Dortmund. What have Liverpool demonstrated, that you can factually back up, to support this continued negative assessment?

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  25. I think we should all go home now and forget about football. Listen to the wise men who say we won't sign anybody, or very much doubt we will. FSG are not going to let us spend any money and we will sell Suarez at 11.59 on August 31st.
    There. I am now officially a realist.

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  26. Change the record already. Suarez has absolutely nothing to do with this. Eriksen is not a cheating, biting, diver who completely disrespects his club. Ajax have long accepted that Eriksen is leaving, and his own manager has stated that many times. Thus, he is not going against his club; he has permission to discuss the issue.

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  27. No. Several other sources independently report it (such as Milan News; Ekstra Bladet Even if that was true, what difference does it make?

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  28. i never slated eriksen my point was you were gushing over signing hk ,a player who basically went on strike and did not return to his club,now please tell me if suarez had not returned you would not be on the issue like a rabid dog,hk completely disrespected is club ,but our fans and you were happy to go along with it

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  29. thats exactly what a said weeks ago well put ,mike the point is either we will not sign big players unless we sell suarez ,and even then i doubt we will lets see come the end of the window,nobody will be happier than me if i end up with a load of egg on my face

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  30. Plus Soldado has himself expressed an interest in coming to the Premier League even though he signed a contract extension. Sound familiar ?
    It should do, it was quated in your article. Apparently this doesn't make him disrespectful to his club though, as he is not on your sh!tlist..

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  31. The way I saw that panning out was that we were trying to put together a bid that was largely benifical to LFC and we couldn't produce the offer they wanted. Your partly right about the 3rd party there basically a suped agent that is there to take as much € out of it as they can. I'm disappointed we didn't sign HM but we didn't sign him for the complete opposite reason we did sign Carroll and Downing. Which I'm quite pleased about to be honest. Football happy and sad about the same thing!?

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  32. What 'negative assessment' are you on about? Perhaps you should take a break from your incessant zeal to bitch and moan about everything I write, and actually READ the article properly.

    I gave my OPINION (remember those?) about whether LFC will be able to pull off this signing, and my opinion is that it's unlikely to happen. That is based on:

    * The club's failure this year to spend more than £9m on any non-English signing.

    * Allowing long-term confirmed targets (at one time or another) to fall by the wayside for comparatively cheap fees (Bony/Wanyama/Gomez/Dempsey a whole host of others over the last year)

    * The many players who LFC have reportedly missed out on over the last year due to the club refusing to pay the desired price (and I've posted about all of these over the last year)

    Re Mkhitaryan: He said is that his 'heart' led him to the Dortmund. How exactly is that 'crystal clear'? It isn't, but it suits your argument to say it is.



    Criticism is fine, but increasingly, your posts display the hallmarks of someone bitching for the hell of it.

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  33. Plus Soldado has himself expressed an interest in coming to the Premier League even though he signed a contract extension. Sound familiar ?

    It should do, it was quoted in your article Jamie. Apparently this doesn't make him disrespectful to his club though, as he is not on your sh!tlist..

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  34. Slipperie_Slope1:28 pm, July 23, 2013

    I hope this is true and we get it done. I like Eriksen, every time I've seen him, his style on the ball, his striking and his touch have always reminded me of Davids(minus the man breasts). I think as he gets older and more powerful he could turn into this syle of player. At the moment he will bring class and a threat from distance in midfield.
    Would be a good signing IMO
    As for Babel, if he has a hand in it i MIGHT even forgive him those rap videos, big might though..

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  35. Looking at it the other way, isn't sending Reina on loan for 'Financial' reasons disloyalty on the part of the club towards the player?

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  36. mike did i say i would not sign hk or soldado ,no i did not i would sign them both ,but then again i do not take the high ground over suarez either and do not pretend to be against players who are supposed to have bad morality as long as they perform and give 100% they can do what they want

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  37. Cool, that's more of a relief. Look Jammer, all's I'm sayin' is that one swallow don't make no summer, homes. And I'm once bitten, twice shy with our transfers this summer.


    And other clichés.

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  38. How many frickin' times?! Mkhitaryan DOES NOT PLAY FOR LIVERPOOL. Suarez did return to LFC, so the point is moot. It's a silly comparison because you're talking about something that *never happened*. If Suarez went on strike, of course I'd highlight it, but that's because he plays for LFC, and if affects the club. Get it yet? I don't condone Mkhitaryan's actions - as I've stated many times in the past - but what he does makes no difference to LFC.

    If he moved to LFC and did the same thing, then that would be a different story. This is obvious, so why do you keep going on about something so pointless?

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  39. cheers m8 good post

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  40. Sorry Jason, I've not crossed over to the dark side.
    Just demonstrating how easy it is to claim to be a realist just by predicting worst case scenarios all the time..
    Come Sept, we'll all know for sure. History favours the opposite view.

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  41. ok then so if we had signed him ,would you then highlight it ,like you did with suarez

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  42. And this is relevant, how? Does Soldado play for Liverpool? NO? Why then, should I care what he does in his capacity as a Valencia player? It has no impact on LFC's reputation/standing, so it's of no interest to me. This is obvious, and I've explained it a dozen times, so stop bitching for the hell of it.

    If Soldado came to LFC and did the same, that would be a different story.

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  43. I think we all agree that polished diamonds are the best but Liverpool are not able to compete with the monied clubs for these players at the moment due to lack of CL and an unwillingness (rightly so IMO) to offer ridiculous wages in order to entice players who are more interested in money. I think the policy of signing players with the potential to reach world class is the right one and with a decent scouting system now in place should mean that in the not too distant future we are able to sign the MKihtarayan's and PApadopolous's of this world before every other club becomes interested.
    There are so many good players avalaible besides the "names" who could make a difference to the side - Who can honestly say that they knew much about a Coutinho or a Hyppia prior to them signing for us?
    As for Eriksen, he is a game changer with intelligence - we can never have enough players like him.

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  44. i know you have not crossed over to the dark side yet ,the force is strong in this one

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  45. Not really. Reina needs to play for his WC aspirations.

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  46. Highlight what? Suarez went on strike at FC Groningen - have I highlighted that since Suarez has been an LFC player? NO. There are more important things to highlight, such as biting, and cheating in a World Cup quarter-final.

    If Mkhitaryan/Soldado etc had a history of cheating, I'd definitely highlight it (if they were LFC players), but they don't.

    Once again, you are trying to argue an irrelevant point: I highlight important stuff that has an impact on LFC (i.e. cheating); not comparatively piffling stuff like going on strike PRE-LFC.

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  47. Ha Ha I find your lack of faith disturbing

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  48. excellent points but im not saying we buy 11 diamonds im saying we go buy one diamond especially sincew our talisman diamond is getting too old to carry us

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  49. yes m8 the clubs do not show the players loyalty when it comes to the end of there playing time and why should they,the only loyal people involved in football are the fans

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  50. all of them padawans evetually cross over :P

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  51. And this is relevant, how? Does Soldado play for Liverpool? NO? Why then, should I care what he does in his capacity as a Valencia player? It has no impact on LFC's reputation/standing, so it's of no interest to me. This is obvious, and I've explained it a dozen times.

    If Soldado came to LFC and did the same, that would be a different story.

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  52. If you read the reports from the training ground, Suarez is back and is giving more than 100% in training. Can't complaint if he keeps playing well because you can't stop someone from wishing for a better team.

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  53. Slipperie_Slope1:43 pm, July 23, 2013

    In fairness rwina wanted to go to barca, and valdes scuppered that for a year. He wants to play regular but we can hardly bench his replacemnt for a year, wouldnt show much loyalty to the future stars of the club. Instead we are loaning him to a club with his favourite manager and favourite goalkeeping coach at the helm. Sure we benefit from getting him off the books, but he benefits from a year of regular football before joining Barca. Its win win in my opinion, nothing disloyal about it.

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  54. Soldado has had his share of controversies(not that it matters), but you haven't highlighted them in the article where he's linked with us.(which again is the right thing to do)

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  55. No. A realist explains with credible reasons why something may/may not happen. They don't just spout negative, unbacked soundbytes with no discernible context.

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  56. suarez will still be awesome even if the club keeps him against is will he can only play one way and thats with 100%

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  57. Don't just make an unbacked statement. Please post a list of these so-called 'controversies'. Thanks.

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  58. Typical enabling statement. Yes, let's encourage players to disrespect their club, and tout themselves out to the highest bidder. Who cares, as long as they give 100% in pre-season training.

    Suarez is paid 100K+ a week. It is his JOB to give 100%. It is the bare minimum that should be expected of someone under contract at LFC.

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  59. I can clearly see Reina not being Spain's first choice for 2014, like Rodgers would say "unless something extraordinary happens", he is going to be Spain's number 3 GK (or 4th even if we count De Gea). How is he going to surpass Casillas and Valdes in a season at Napoli??

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  60. Gerrard, Lucas, eriksen, coutinho (who would play LW more often), Henderson, Allen. No one would need to leave

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  61. its always an irrelevant point ,if its not your point either that or your an enabler

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  62. Where you're concerned, it is always an irrelevant point because you continually make these baseless Suarez comparisons.

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  63. baseless jaimie check your threads i can count on one hand the number of good things you have said about suarez since he signed,and i can use the hand were i have lost 3 fingers,and considering he has been one of the best players in the premier league for the past two seasons ,and he plays for lfc i find that strange with you being a lfc fan

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  64. Fair points, but I'm not sure any of the players you mentioned apart from Dempsey, who became too expensive for his age, were ever prime targets. Since BR has stated that he was squad filling earlier this window and now was looking to 1st team quality additions, the £9m part doesn't yet prove much and lots of clubs have missed out on players over the years. Hell, Levy is lauded for his refusal to pay more than he thinks a player is worth.

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  65. Thank You.
    Perhaps others will take note.

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  66. I hope this is true,£18m is a bit steep but I truly believe he's worth every penny

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  67. When you say the club has problems in the transfer market and misses targets then I think it's quite accurate to call that "negative". I didn't say "unduly negative" or "excessively negative". It could be entirely accurate (although I obviously don't think so), but it's clear enough that you're suggesting the club has problems or shortcomings. Having problems in club transactions is certainly not a positive for Liverpool so I'm not sure why you object to the comment. No matter how true you think it is, it's still a negative point of view.


    As for the rest of it ... I'll continue to be critical of what you write so long as you continue to write things I believe are problematic. You staunchly defend your right to make critical assessments of LFC, why is this any different? You write about the club I love and you have the ear of many thousands of fans. That comes with a certain responsibility if you like it or not.


    You could have just responded with those few facts but for some reason you have got an issue with me. I don't take you personally JK, and this is not a personal vendetta. It's just a simple scenario where you are making VERY public statements about a VERY popular football club. I'm asking that you back up some of those statements. There is nothing unreasonable about that, so stop projecting your defensiveness on me.

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  68. He is going to Napoli to keep his place in the WC squad.

    He is second or third choice. By playing first team football, he stands a better chance of keeping his place in the squad. If he doesn't play or doesn't play well and De Gea continues to play well, there is a good chance of De Gea taking his place in the squad. So therefore, this loan spell for Reina isn't realistically about taking over Casilas, but more likely him trying to cement his place in the Spain squad for WC.

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  69. Again, I don't see what point you're trying to make. Your Suarez comparisons are baseless because you keep trying to compare his actions to the (far less serious) actions of other players.

    Whenever some player LFC is linked with does something remotely wrong, your rote response is 'well, if Suarez did that he'd be on his case'. That just isn't true.

    Prime example, Mkhitaryan (allegedly) going on strike. If Suarez did that for LFC, I'd be on his case. If he did it for a different club, I wouldn't care, and the proof of that is I've never once mentioned his FC Groningen strike since he joined LFC.

    Plus, as I've explained a million times: I support LFC, not Suarez FC. His good performances are outweighed by the problems he's caused. If you find it strange that I don't laud a player who has disrespected the club more than any other player in history, then you clearly need to look at the situation with more objectivity.

    I'll spell it out for you again: I do not support players who grossly disrespect LFC, no matter how good they are. End of story. I would never claim that my approach is the right way; people are welcome to disagree, but rightly or wrongly, it's my personal way of thinking

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  70. That you say something over and over again, does not make it so.

    He committed a sensationally intelligent infraction at the World Cup which gave his club the only chance they had to move to the Semi.

    Do not blame him in that case for "cheating". He caught the ball. He did not pretend he didn't. He did not pretend anything. The penalty for catching the ball there is a red card and a penalty kick. Those are the rules. He knew the rules. He also knew that if he did not catch the ball, his team was out of the World Cup. He made the decision that any professional on the World Cup should make, make the other team convert the penalty. Same situation in basketball every game - give the foul, make the other team convert the foul shots.

    It is the rule that is problematic - and has been for decades and decades. It would be simple to fix. Make the penalty a red card and count the goal. FIFA for what ever reason has not wanted to do that.

    You want to complain about cheating in the world cup, complain about the "Hand of God" goal by Maradonna that is celebrated so much.

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  71. No, not really, considering the potential bigger picture.

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  72. Defensiveness? The irony...

    My response to you is based on months of reading your comments. There is an underlying hostility in every response you make to me, and I'm merely calling you out on it.

    The tagline of this site is 'critical realism about LFC', so why do you act like it's such a surprise to see a critical approach to LFC here?

    Clearly, you take criticism of LFC personally, but the points I've made about LFC's transfer business are not negative; they are reasonable inferences based on the available facts. If I was making such inferences without anything upon which to base them, then it would be a different story.

    Re 'backing up' my statements - I've done that countless times in various articles, using copious examples, and being a regular visitor to the site, you would know that. I am not going to repeat myself in every single article.

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  73. I'm bit nonplussed about him as from the few games I've seen, sometimes just has these spells of coasting. For somewhat cheaper, he is probably worth the risk as he has talent. I just hope if and when he does come here, he talks less!

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  74. No. Please, I do not want to acknowledge Gerrards inevitable retirement. Lets just hope that by the time he goes we are in the CL and can afford a flawless diamond, for all our sakes!

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  75. It really beggars belief how people just cannot see their own denial, and/or wilful defence of the indefensible.

    You've just defended Suarez for cheating in the world cup, but then slammed Maradona for doing *exactly the same thing*

    Suarez and Maradona are both cheats, and Maradona using his hand to score is exactly the same as Suarez using his hand to stop a goal.

    Neither is called 'cheating' in the rules, but they are both incidents of cheating nonetheless.

    Cheating is defined as:

    "Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination"

    Both Maradona and Suarez 'acted dishonestly/unfairly' to 'gain an advantage'. It is cheating, and no amount of semantic chicanery can change that.

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  76. Still waiting for you to list these alleged Soldado controversies...

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  77. No JK, you're calling me out on what you perceive and that's very different. There is no hostility, certainly no more than the same criticism that you direct at the club. Of course I'm not surprised at what you write, but that's quite beside the point. The simplest explanation is that I just don't agree with you on certain things and I don't let up until I get an answer I'm satisfied with. You might feel as if you've answered a question or explained yourself but if I continue to ask you questions on it then it's because I don't think your answer to date has been good enough. You don't accept answers from LFC if you are not convinced. It's just the same here. If I'm provocative, it's no more than you ever have been. Why is that a problem for you? Do I need a tagline on my comments that say "critical realism about your articles"? Why is the standard acceptable for the rhetoric you direct towards Liverpool, but not ok for the rhetoric I direct towards you? What makes you immune?


    In this most recent exchange you're the one who's turned this into a personal issue. I'd really rather just stick to the point, actually argue the issues, so if someone is taking this personally then it's not me, it's you. If you want to simply end an exchange and say "it's my opinion, deal with it" then just say that and be done with it. Of course I won't be satisfied and maybe I'll question you some more but if you don't want to engage then just don't. Don't turn this into something it's not. I can honestly say I approach all these issues from an argumentative point of view, obviously not entirely detached from any kind of emotion, but I'm trying to argue the points. I'd happily continue to do that if you could resist taking it as a personal attack on you.

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  78. All I can think of is his on-field fighting and bickering. he has a temper on him, picks up a lot of cards because of this. Finds it hard to stay calm. He is bit of an annoying player like that.

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  79. http://www.periodistasanonimos.com/2013/02/polemicas-y-escandalos-la-carta-por.html


    Soldado allegedly stamps on Busquets, I have seen other images as well but couldn't find links. My point is this doesn't make him a bad player and no need to highlight them.

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  80. I disagree on both. Suarez's handball wasn't at all dishonest. It was blatant and obvious and he was punished. There was no scope for dishonesty. Players don't take an oath before the game, promising not to handle the ball. As to being unfair ... that's always subjective. I argue that if the infringement is punished then justice has been served and it's not unfair. Suarez was punished with a penalty and a red card. If that needs to be more severe to be considered fair then so be it, but in that case it's the rules themselves that are unfair, not the act.

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  81. You said Soldado had been involved in his 'fair share of controversies'. This is just not true, and it's another example of a Suarez apologist trying to stretch the truth in a backhanded attempt to defend him.

    Why would I include this in an article about Soldado. I'm sure Suarez 'allegedly' stamped on someone prior to joining LFC, but I've never mentioned that, either pre or post his arrival. I've only ever highlighted his stamping in an LFC shirt.

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  82. Can't we post links??

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  83. Using your logic, the thieves who robbed Selfridges in June (and got away with £1m in luxury watches) were not 'dishonest either. How could they be? Their crime was 'blatant and obvious' (broad daylight smash and grab), and they've subsequently been punished.

    Looking at the situation objectively, Suarez was dishonest, and his action was unfair.

    Again, using your logic: If some dodgy broker cons a pensioner out of their life-savings, then it's not unfair act if they get caught and punished.

    In what universe can that be accurate? Yes, these are different examples, but the principles are the same.

    Your arguments just allow people to get away with murder.

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  84. You always mention the pros and cons of signing a player in your articles and if he stamps on someone while playing for LFC then that would be a problem I guess, so why not mention it in an article about Soldado if every LFC player is going to be judged by that yardstick?

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  85. You should see Soldado's stamp on Falcao.

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  86. You're still on this?

    I mention general and/or significant pros and cons, not every tiny detail of a player's career.

    One alleged stamp in a career spanning 10+ years is not a significant 'con'.

    Suarez had a history of significant negative behaviour prior to joining LFC, including:

    * Biting an opponent (and getting banned)

    * Cheating in a world cup quarter final, and then boasting about it afterwards.

    These things are major incidents, and would obviously be included in a pro-con discussion.

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  87. Here's my problem ... when you try to argue the actual facts of the issue you say only: "looking at the situation objectively, Suarez was dishonest, and his action was unfair". But when you try to actually explain that, you have to make some analogy to a completely unrelated event. Why can't you make the objective argument by referring to the actual incident? What about his specific actions are clearly dishonest? What about the specific situation is clearly unfair? I've explained my point of view without extending it into some other unrelated point of reference.

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  88. Use of analogy is normal, accepted and universal practice when illuminating a specific point about something. The fact that you question their use is just a way to muddy the waters and avoid the issue.

    I've explained every clearly why Suarez was dishonest and unfair, including using the definitions for both words.

    His actions are self-evidently unfair and dishonest, and if you can't see that, then that's your prerogative.

    There's nothing more to say. Asking a question like 'what about his specific action is dishonest' is like asking 'why is water wet'?. Read the definitions I've posted. Apply them to what Suarez did, and that explains why he was dishonest and unfair.

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  89. Well, at the danger of being personally ridiculed, I'll say we just don't agree on this. I understand what you've said but it's entirely unsatisfactory to me. Considering we're talking about the meaning of a word, that's probably quite reasonable.

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  90. I fully appreciate your point. Clubs can't expect the player to remain loyal if they themselves don't. However, Reina did say recently that he'd find it difficult to turn down a move to Barcelona which is understandable but still shows where his loyalties really lie... and they're not with us.

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  91. and i respect your personal views so we will leave it at that

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  92. Are you serious? You have rightly slammed Suarez for talking about another club after having signed an new extension to his contract. Soldado has done exactly the same thing, albeit not as often. Suarez was criticised by you after the first time he made eyes at Madrid.
    It's relevant because you point to such things as indications of a player's respect for his current employer. People are questioning why you claim to be concerned about these things when you are patently unconcerned about them as long as it's not as an LFC player.
    Where your argument falls short about it being prior to becoming an LFC player is that you argued long and hard about not wanting us to sign Suarez BEFORE we did. What happened to not caring then?
    And yet again I point to the time you described Phil Neville as a " solid Professional", "(rare) bouts of cheating aside" after he did exactly the same as Suarez with the Derby handball, and unbelievably poor dive. Next you're going to claim he never made a late tackle....

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  93. Slipperie_Slope3:46 pm, July 23, 2013

    Not saying anything about the spanish squad. Clearly he wont be getting the no1 spot there. My point was that he will find it hard to get his prefered move to barca if he spent next season in a supporting role to mignolet, ie carling cup and early round fa cup matches.

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  94. I'm not wasting my time with this nonsense. You have the wrong end of the stick completely, and I can't bothered to waste energy explaining the same things over and over.

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  95. OK, I have to follow up ... the definition of dishonest doesn't fully apply. Suarez did not "intend to mislead". There was no way his action could ever have not been seen. You can't intend to mislead someone unless you think there is some scope to get away without being seen or noticed. Do you really think Suarez intended to handle the ball and not be noticed?


    Same goes with the word "fraudulent". An action can't be fraudulent unless there is some way by which you can fool people. No one was fooled. No one could EVER have been fooled by what happened. Had Suarez been given time to think about what he was doing he would have known this. Maybe he would have done it anyway, maybe he just doesn't care.


    The only word in that definition that applies is "untrustworthy". I guess you could say that we generally trust players to not deliberately not handle the ball in a game and Suarez was not trustworthy in that regard. But it's 1 out of 3. In my mind it's still very clear that what he did was not strictly dishonest.

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  96. Jamie..I am getting double comments is it me or you guys?

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  97. Don't think they did it in the full expectation of getting caught, as Suarez did.
    Poor analogy.

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  98. I would like to fully endorse that comment..

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  99. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Eriksen has been upfront with Ajax about this whole thing, whereas Suarez was doing his bit from half a world away.


    If anything, Eriksen did his club a favor by letting them know so they could at least sell him and get some money instead of losing him for free in a year.


    Suarez has mishandled this whole thing from the beginning by seemingly talking to everyone but LFC. Suarez is still committed to the club by contract for another 3 years.


    Goes to show how two people handle the same situation in the right way and the wrong way.

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  100. I agree about the striker, but I would prefer a solid, perhaps aging player. We need 1 more leader, yet someone who can still preform at the highest level, yet be okay with sitting on the bench from time to time. Soldado fits the bill EXCEPT for the bench part. Also he isnt versatile...just a CF. Bellamy would have been perfect, but he has moved on...Yilmaz also fits everything but the leadership part

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  101. just like when hendo and coutinho play....works grat in my opinion, except eriksen is 10 times better than hendo :)

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  102. Polished diamonds come at a greater price my friend, even £18M seems high to me with Eriksen being the last year of his contract .

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  103. £18 Million seems to high a price for me with Eriksen in the last year of his contract.

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  104. & add another medal to his trophy cabinet :)

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  105. me two but if we do not sign him now someone else may do ,and the chances of him coming to us on a free are minimum,as he would definitly be offered a better financial package elsewhere

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  106. Fine Jamie. heaven forbid anyone questions your long held beliefs.
    Just because you have stated things repeatedly doesn't make the arguments you present any more valid. Forget it, carry on being as self contradictory as you like.

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  107. If we get him then fair play. Personally I don`t rate him as high as most do. However he is still talented.


    Overall I don`t actually think the AM role is in that much need of new players. Coutinho plays best in this role, and we just signed Alberto too. This would mean we spent 7 plus mil on Alberto who would be third choice for the AM role.


    Still better to have good options, so if we sign him not complaining.


    While I think there are better players out there, maybe he is the best we can get out of them. He does have talent and can score and assist, however he will need to work on effort levels imo. To often I have seen him drift out of games and not look like he would be the one to pick the team up and drive them on. I appreciate other players can do that too, but I feel that is a very important part of the AM role as in many ways you are the force behind most attacks.


    It would also look good to the public and in general as a lot of people are saying we are a spent force. Signing Eriksen shows we still have intent and haven`t been burnt so bad by previous high priced signings that we are afraid to take that risk again.


    What nice options we would have in AM


    Coutinho, Eriksen, Alberto. With all being able to play on the left if needed, although chances are Coutinho would start there and switch during the game sometimes.

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  108. Blimey, have to say you're right. on all counts tbh

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  109. arsenal witha 49m bid :'( goodbye suarez T.T

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  110. arsenal with 49 million bid goodbye suarez :'(

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  111. I hope you're mentioning my name in vein again JC lol

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  112. To be honest, you and JK are never going to see eye to eye on the Suarez situation imo. Both of you have polar views on him.

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  113. Higuain gone to Napoli, Real Madrid will use the funds to secure Suarez

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  114. but mate it doesnt change the fact suarez is leaving i hope gerrard can convince him to stay :#

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  115. Let's be honest - I think the fact that we will need to make every effort to pull out all the stops and sign him is enough to convince me that he won't be coming to Liverpool. It's easy enough to convince players like Aspas to sign us but other clubs are far hungrier when it comes to signing proven quality.

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  116. It has nothing to do with questioning me and/or long held beliefs. When someone twists my views to this extent, there's no point wasting time responding, especially when I've gone over the same points about 100 times.

    For example: Suarez. In this very thread I've explained the difference between Suarez and Soldado, so why should I go over it again?

    Additionally, we discussed the Neville issue a couple of months ago, and I provided a lengthy explanation for that, which refuted your point. Still, you bring it up as if that discussion never happened.

    When I say that I've repeatedly stated things, it is nothing to do with argument validity; I'm merely relaying that justifying my view over and over is a pointless exercise.

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  117. thats pretty much hit the nail on the head

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  118. we all have skeletons in the closet.....who knows what erickson is

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  119. dont worry we wont be paying it

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  120. or then again rogers may have just googled his name

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  121. Sigurjón Einarsson11:51 pm, July 23, 2013

    I´m from Denmark and I have to agree with Molby. Eriksen er highly overrated. He hasn´t had a particular good year at national level, but has been quite good at Ajax. But a 18m deal is a lottery in my opinion...

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  122. Mark my words if Bale leaves then spurs are on their way down to where they belong, plus what they got to offer we haven't????

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  123. You sir are 100 per cent correct in your rationale and argument on this one .. and couldn't agree more with the over use of totally unrelated analogies(that's surely an oxymoron ! ) that gets thrown at us..

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  124. Is LFC the only club interested? He's been on the radar for a couple of years now, but there doesn't seem to be a frenzy for his services. Has he regressed? I'd hate for Liverpool to overpay for another flop.

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  125. goal and alll were posting 41 m + 8 in add ons

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  126. that will just leave 5 clubs who finished above us last season to worry about

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  127. Mr. Point Of View8:31 am, July 24, 2013

    When BR get Coutinho he were never brilliant as well. Good thing about BR is he can lift up player confident and boost his ability (for those whom suit his tactic only) to shine again...I would say Eriksen would be a good add to us BUT in term of "moneyball" policy would be a problem in our owner will

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  128. Personally I preferred Henrikh over Eriksen simply because I think Eriksen will struggle with the pace and lack of space in the PL. But considering his comments, I don't think we would have had a chance to sign Henrikh even if we had put in a bid. Eriksen is a gifted midfielder, has a good eye for a pass and a killer accuracy in his shooting. If he comes, I can't see him an instant hit because he will need some time to adjust. So at best, I can see him make an impact in 2014 but not 2013.

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  129. I haven't twisted anything. I don't want you to explain the difference between Soldado and Suarez, it's obvious.
    What I questioned was you saying (repeatedly) that you don't care what players do before they became /become LFC players. Your choice. Your rule.
    You DID argue against us signing Suarez BEFORE he signed.
    You have broken your own principles.
    I also believe you did again over your stance on cheats with Neville, but let's leave that for now.
    Suarez is the one player you cannot be objective on.

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  130. i feel much better already :)

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  131. Don't next in line to feel the drop will be arsenal once they realise everyone has got wind of there fake huffin n puffin....step at a time hey.

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  132. What have you done with my reply?

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