If there is one thing that Kenny Dalglish and Brendan Rodgers have in common, it is this: blanket, unquestioning support for Luis Suarez, and a pigheaded unwillingness to accept that there is a dark side to his game. According to them, Suarez doesn't dive; doesn't commit bad stamping fouls, and doesn't argue with referees. It's everyone else's fault. The whole world is against the Uruguayan, and both Dalglish and Rodgers are the chief culprits in creating and peddling the tedious 'Suarez media conspiracy' cobblers, which has been rabidly seized upon, and perpetuated by, the club's fans. Well, earlier today, Everton Boss David Moyes gave Rodgers and Dalglish a lesson in humility, and displayed real class and leadership in his handling of the Marouane Fellaini headbutt incident.
During Everton's 1-1 draw with Stoke today, the Belgian maestro lost his head and deliberately headbutted Ryan Shawcross, an incident which the referee missed, despite the fact he was looking right at it. You can view the incident below:
It's an open and shut case: Fellaini lamped Shawcross, end of story. Question: If Suarez did the same thing, or indeed another top LFC player, how would Rodgers/Dalglish respond? In my view, it would be one of the following:
* Stubborn refusal to accept the truth.
* Wheel out the 'everyone is against us' victim mentality.
* Use the convenient 'I didn't see it' excuse.
What Rodgers and Dalglish wouldn't do is publicly condemn Suarez, Gerrard or whoever, and call for the player to be punished by the FA. This is precisely what Moyes did in his post-match interview today. He said:
"He [Fellaini] deserves to get the punishment. I've seen it, it's a terrible thing to do. It should have been a sending-off in the game. If the referee had been able to see it, it should have been. I've told him it's not acceptable and whatever he gets, he and us deserve it. The biggest disappointment, if anything does happen, is that he will have let the team down"
Moyes could've taken the easy way out, but he chose to show true leadership and publicly acknowledge the incident, even though doing so would probably increase the likelihood of Marouane - arguably Everton's best player - being suspended.
Moyes' comments are shocking, but in a good way. When was the last time a top-flight manager publicly called for one of his own players to be suspended?! It's absolutely unheard of, which makes it all the more gratifying.
Witnessing Moyes' humility just makes Dalglish and Rodgers' ceaseless defence of Suarez even more infuriating. The difference between the three managers is glaring:
* Moyes is willing to make a personal sacrifice (i.e. losing Fellaini) to ensure justice is done.
* Dalglish preferred to cultivate a damaging victim mentality, pigheadedly refusing to accept that Suarez was every at fault for anything, and attacking anyone who had the temerity to question his stance.
* Picking up Dalglish's mantle, Rodgers refuses to tell the truth, and instead peddles the 'Everyone is against Suarez' conspiracy in a bid to avoid losing and/or alienating the Uruguayan.
The conclusion is harsh, yet simple: Moyes is a real leader; Rodgers and Dalglish are not.
Real leaders tell the truth and take responsibility, even when doing so means taking the blame, and making a personal sacrifice. You only have to look at Liverpool's belligerent and ultra-defensive handling of the Suarez-Evra fiasco to see an example of abject failure of leadership at the club, and even though Dalglish has gone, that damaging legacy continues under Rodgers.
Unlike Dalglish, who was just needlessly rude (to the extend that he had to publicly apologise at one point behaviour 'not befitting a Liverpool manager), Rodgers' defiant defence of Suarez is arguably the result of some kind of inferiority complex, which explains his constant gross overpraise of the players. He is so desperate not to upset the big, highly paid stars at Anfield that he constantly massages their egos with sycophantic, undeserved acclaim.
And how do these players repay Rodgers? By dropping 28 league points in four months whilst amassing a pathetic 22 points from 16 league games.
This post is not an attack on Suarez, and anyone reading this with an open mind will be able to see that. I am merely using him to make a point about what I perceive to be a fundamental lack of real leadership at Anfield at the moment, which is a major problem.
Rodgers can and should learn from Moyes. Yes, he is the Everton manager, but who cares? These issues are bigger that petty rivalry between the two clubs.
I want the manager of Liverpool to be a strong, courageous, honest leader, and that means telling the truth. If a performance is terrible, SAY SO. If a Liverpool player dives/commits a horrendous foul, ADMIT IT. If the Reds lose/draw a game, don't tell us the performance was OUTSTANDING or TERRIFIC (!)
Is this too much to ask?
Football is a cesspool of cheating, selfishness, greed, lies and corruption at the best of times, but every once in a while, a small ray of hope shines through the darkness to remind us that not all is lost. Today, that hope came from David Moyes, and I sincerely hope Rodgers is watching.
Mr Moyes - I salute you!
NOTE: Before anyone asks, I will be posting about today's game tomorrow; I want to let it sink in first.
REMEMBER: Stick to the comment policy or you'll be banned. If you disagree, argue your points in a civil manner.
Jaimie Kanwar
During Everton's 1-1 draw with Stoke today, the Belgian maestro lost his head and deliberately headbutted Ryan Shawcross, an incident which the referee missed, despite the fact he was looking right at it. You can view the incident below:
It's an open and shut case: Fellaini lamped Shawcross, end of story. Question: If Suarez did the same thing, or indeed another top LFC player, how would Rodgers/Dalglish respond? In my view, it would be one of the following:
* Stubborn refusal to accept the truth.
* Wheel out the 'everyone is against us' victim mentality.
* Use the convenient 'I didn't see it' excuse.
What Rodgers and Dalglish wouldn't do is publicly condemn Suarez, Gerrard or whoever, and call for the player to be punished by the FA. This is precisely what Moyes did in his post-match interview today. He said:
"He [Fellaini] deserves to get the punishment. I've seen it, it's a terrible thing to do. It should have been a sending-off in the game. If the referee had been able to see it, it should have been. I've told him it's not acceptable and whatever he gets, he and us deserve it. The biggest disappointment, if anything does happen, is that he will have let the team down"
Moyes could've taken the easy way out, but he chose to show true leadership and publicly acknowledge the incident, even though doing so would probably increase the likelihood of Marouane - arguably Everton's best player - being suspended.
Moyes' comments are shocking, but in a good way. When was the last time a top-flight manager publicly called for one of his own players to be suspended?! It's absolutely unheard of, which makes it all the more gratifying.
Witnessing Moyes' humility just makes Dalglish and Rodgers' ceaseless defence of Suarez even more infuriating. The difference between the three managers is glaring:
* Moyes is willing to make a personal sacrifice (i.e. losing Fellaini) to ensure justice is done.
* Dalglish preferred to cultivate a damaging victim mentality, pigheadedly refusing to accept that Suarez was every at fault for anything, and attacking anyone who had the temerity to question his stance.
* Picking up Dalglish's mantle, Rodgers refuses to tell the truth, and instead peddles the 'Everyone is against Suarez' conspiracy in a bid to avoid losing and/or alienating the Uruguayan.
The conclusion is harsh, yet simple: Moyes is a real leader; Rodgers and Dalglish are not.
Real leaders tell the truth and take responsibility, even when doing so means taking the blame, and making a personal sacrifice. You only have to look at Liverpool's belligerent and ultra-defensive handling of the Suarez-Evra fiasco to see an example of abject failure of leadership at the club, and even though Dalglish has gone, that damaging legacy continues under Rodgers.
Unlike Dalglish, who was just needlessly rude (to the extend that he had to publicly apologise at one point behaviour 'not befitting a Liverpool manager), Rodgers' defiant defence of Suarez is arguably the result of some kind of inferiority complex, which explains his constant gross overpraise of the players. He is so desperate not to upset the big, highly paid stars at Anfield that he constantly massages their egos with sycophantic, undeserved acclaim.
And how do these players repay Rodgers? By dropping 28 league points in four months whilst amassing a pathetic 22 points from 16 league games.
This post is not an attack on Suarez, and anyone reading this with an open mind will be able to see that. I am merely using him to make a point about what I perceive to be a fundamental lack of real leadership at Anfield at the moment, which is a major problem.
Rodgers can and should learn from Moyes. Yes, he is the Everton manager, but who cares? These issues are bigger that petty rivalry between the two clubs.
I want the manager of Liverpool to be a strong, courageous, honest leader, and that means telling the truth. If a performance is terrible, SAY SO. If a Liverpool player dives/commits a horrendous foul, ADMIT IT. If the Reds lose/draw a game, don't tell us the performance was OUTSTANDING or TERRIFIC (!)
Is this too much to ask?
Football is a cesspool of cheating, selfishness, greed, lies and corruption at the best of times, but every once in a while, a small ray of hope shines through the darkness to remind us that not all is lost. Today, that hope came from David Moyes, and I sincerely hope Rodgers is watching.
Mr Moyes - I salute you!
NOTE: Before anyone asks, I will be posting about today's game tomorrow; I want to let it sink in first.
REMEMBER: Stick to the comment policy or you'll be banned. If you disagree, argue your points in a civil manner.
Jaimie Kanwar
hilarious post
ReplyDeleteA devastating, ridiculous lose at Anfield by Aston Villa and it might be the right time for those who insist/believe that BR is the right man to take LFC forward to reconsider. You cannot make real progress when you make a step forward and 100 steps backward. This is the brute reality for LFC this season and as soon as we all realize it the better. No more excuses can be provided to FSG and BR after the today’s defeat. They have to stand up with dignity and integrity to their responsibilities, to declare mea culpa and in respect to this historic club to make their decisions, not decisions that will further add to the already existing problems that have been created by them but decisions that will really help this club to recover from this torturing season; anything less is not acceptable!
ReplyDeleteWay to go Moyes, well done! How about a banner on Anfield that says -cheating is not the Liverpool way-? With full support to Suarez, so he knows that the Kop is behind him, but that he mustn't cheat? Couple of those on English stadiums would do much help, I think...
ReplyDeleteThat's a great idea, Orme. Seriously. A massive banner on the Kop that says 'Love football. Hate Cheating' or something to that effect.
ReplyDeleteYes, but only with Kop's PR hodling a press conference explaining we still support Suarez, and that we see him changing, etc,etc... Because we don't want to lose him, and we do see the change, don't we...
ReplyDeleteIf no names are present on the banner, it's not directed at anyone. It's just a general comment.
ReplyDeleteWhat else could he have said? Used Wenger's line he didn't see it? Poor argument to attack our managers over something Suarez hasn't done and his name shouldn't be used in your argument.
ReplyDeleteOf course, and it would be directed to all of our current players, and the future ones, but Luis would know that he is the reason we must say it is not our way so the support to him personally is I think pretty important. Otherwise it would be interpreted as Go away Luis banner.
ReplyDeleteFirst league match I missed this year and now I wanted to at least see the goals(Pepe, why?!?), so I clicked on the video and they showed 3 goals... Damn, this day hurts...
ReplyDeleteYes, he could've said 'I haven't seen it' - that is the standard manager's response to serious incidents involving their own players. You've clearly misunderstood the article if you're focusing on Suarez, but that's predictable.
ReplyDeleteAnother player dives... Suarez is named!
ReplyDeleteAnother player dies a dirty behind play... Suarez is mentioned!
Of course he and Liverpool aren't been targeted right?
What a joke!
Ok now suarez himself has made an effort to stay on his feet and he hasnt dived or even gone down easily. You have to commend him on that because it is a bad habit that he is trying to break. United has a lot of authority in the world not just england. United and arsenal are in this together arsenal is that good kid that never does anything wrong and FA are supporting them too.FA gave arsenal club of the year for Nothing mentioned about the Cazorla dive. How about that Ashley Young Dive. United and arsenal make sure sure their rivals are being hampered and they butter up their own team. sure i am guessing and there is no solid evidence of this but lots of coincidences.Why was suarez banned for 8 games i back his ban but there was no evidence if he had shut his mouth and not admitted to calling Evra Negrito the Fa could have done nothing. Suarez could have taken his case to higher courts and won his claims. I am just stating these are coincidences which have to be looked at. I cant explain it all look at this link if you are interested in more.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/city-fans-heres-the-evidence-of-the-united-referee-conspiracy/
Now once again i state THAT THESE ALL HAPPEN TO BE WEIRD COINCIDENCES that need looking at.
But suarez aint even doin it anymore why pick on him. he is stopping cazorla,young,Vanpersie at times last season, Gerrard, torres, i can go on and on but suarez has been cutting back
ReplyDeleteCouple of those banners, couple of those managers, couple of financial fines and players would think twice...
ReplyDeletewhy do you keep throwing tirades at suarez. why dont you start some articles about the team. Sure luis was diving this season but he has cut back. Start some articles why rodgers doesnt have the balls to drop stevie g and play suso or shelvey. Or maybe why we keep sacking managers dalglish sacking was a disgrace. Im always behind the current manager because it isnt switches that provide success but continuity.
ReplyDeleteLike I said you shouldn't have mentioned his name but said the team in general. Just like SKY and the newspapers you have linked Suarez to an incident that has nothing to do with him. This is mainly what Rodgers has defended Suarez over another player diving in another game and Suarez name gets mentioned. I read the bit it's not an attack on Suarez but when you use his name in your praise of Moyes it's part of your argument so it's open to discussion if it was n't then his name shouldn't be used to get your point across.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking wide, all the supporters. And why shouldn't we start it- we are proudest supporters in the country...
ReplyDeleteThats laughable. Rodgers is a man of class he wont say something as dumb as that. And your article is a dig at luis. If it isnt a dig you simply dont mention his name. If one of our players threw a headbut BR would say the same thing
ReplyDeleteI have to say from an Everton fan, that I applaud this article. The fact that many Liverpool fans don't like the antics and diving is refreshing. I actually think Moyes shoots himself in the foot though. I dont think he handles referees well, and by not pointing out both sides ie the many incidents in a penalty area leading up to Fellainis incident, is costing Everton points and probably a ban. Everton are honest, but unless all the other teams in the league play this way it will cost points.
ReplyDeleteI have to say from an Everton fan, that I applaud this article. The fact that many Liverpool fans don't like the antics and diving is refreshing. I actually think Moyes shoots himself in the foot though. I dont think he handles referees well, and by not pointing out both sides ie the many incidents in a penalty area leading up to Fellainis incident, is costing Everton points and probably a ban. Everton are honest, but unless all the other teams in the league play this way it will cost points.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing predictable is you finding a way to talk about Suarez in any way possible.... What the heck does some other team's issues have to do with this team?
ReplyDeleteI am pretty sure you will have a lot to say about him arguing with the ref as well today.... beacuse there is never any use for any player to complain to an official.
YOU are the ONE focusing on Suarez by bringing him up in an incident with another team that has nothing to do with the team you are covering in this blog. So to say that you do not have an agenda against this guy is beyond phony.
It is basically the equivelant of what you call Suarez...someone who is an inherent cheat... seems to me you are an Inherently hateful of this player at any chance you get. You act like you are so contrarian and not following the blind faith about him.... Heck, I know he is a tasmanian devil out there who will do anything to win.
I am from Uruguay and have watched him play since 2007. The guy is a great person off the pitch but on it he can go overboard and we cringe..... but I am not going to call him out over something someone else did today to prove your beyond fanatical attacking of this player whenever the wind blows.
How u end up here kanwar?? How much they are paying u? I will pay them double so that u won't be here anymore..because every time I click the link on newsnow Liverpool, it will be u bashing our club/manager/players. Stop it will u?
ReplyDeleteWhen Suarez had coins thrown at him did Moyes say anything then? That would have really stood him out from the rest!
ReplyDeleteOh god. Give over. You're so wrapped up in the Suarez conspiracy theory that you can't see the wood for the trees. What are you, his lawyer?
ReplyDeleteLinking Suarez to the Fellaini incident? Sre you for real? You've completely and utterly missed the point.
great work Jaimie ..i like this article ..we are liverpool fc we dont need to cheat to win ...:)...i hope suarez is now a changed man ...he doesnt need to dive to get penalty or freekick ...liverpool actually has lost winning mentality ..we have to build it again ...i think rodgers needs some time..liverpool will come good sooner rather than later...
ReplyDeleteJaimie, look at the headline. And the first paragraph. And half of the post. This is about Suarez.
ReplyDeleteLook at the headline, and the first paragraph, and the half of the post- it is about Suarez...
ReplyDeleteYou want to have Suarez never dive or complain ever again? OK.... take away all his competitiveness and desire and have fun with that player. Have him run around half A.... and just collect a paycheck so it will make you feel better about yourself. Just Do Not lie to yourself and say you have no agenda to make it a point to write about Suarez in any way possible. You could care less what a player does off the field? Adultry, cheating, stealing whatever....it's all good as long as he does not do anything on the pitch to bring any repute or attention to him?
ReplyDeleteTHIS IS A GAME..... and you respect someone more if he behaves on the pitch then in real life? What the heck is wrong with you??...is what we should be asking.
And for the record.... I know Luis knows that the word negro was getting Evra's goat. He knew better and was punished for it. Other players are diving more than he has in the last few weeks. Does that mean we think he is a saint? NO. But since it's your bully pulpit to make sure we all know how bad Suarez is and you are fighting the good fight of individuality .... you might as well castrate Luis and make him impotent on then field... you either take the good with some of the bad, as long as it is not any Headbutting or biting or race baiting...... OR you sell him and bring on a proper gentleman to make you sleep better at night.
Then remove his name from YOUR ARGUMENT against Dalglish and Rodgers! Your the one with the axe to grind against Suarez and obsessed with his behaviour! You could of just simply have praised Moyes for his honesty and generalised on problems in football in general! Which would have made Moyes act of honesty look better then trying to blacken our club with your argument!
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ReplyDeleteLook at the headline, first paragraph and majority of your ppost- it is about Suarez...
ReplyDeleteWatching the game today, even if we did cheat, I don't think we'd win. Pathetic effort today, just pathetic.
ReplyDeleteJamie, agreed that the Blues did the right thing by calling it out. And I wish BR would as well. But I wish BR would be a realist when it comes to praising his team when they put forth terrible effort. That's just not the way he's built. I think you'll find that the vast majority of managers the world over are just like that. KK and BR are no exceptions, they don't want to lose a player when they need points, so they won't call it. But it did take a lot of stones to do that. Wish we had Moyes instead of Rodgers.
Starting to think we should have plumped for Larup instead. Laudrup is a man who automatically commands respect. He's plwyed with the best, he's been the best. He doesn't need cheap platitudes and arse kissing to get players onto his way of thinking. It's all well and good playing the big man to 18 year old Raheem Sterling but when Suarez dives or petulantly kicks out it's all pucker up time. Don't dao.co.ukt me wrong, I like Rodgers, but sometimes you just need to get back to cs. You need goals? Get goalscoring strikers. Players mess up? Tell them they messed up. You play decent but only get a draw? Say they played decent but only got a draw. Keep it simple Brendan and command respect. A few Swansea players earlier this season got a bit brave and questioned him to the chairman. They soon fell in line. The man is Michael Laudrup. I'm stillwith Rodgers but he needs to stop avoiding the obvious. If you want top 4 football you need top 4 goals. If you want top 4 goals you need top 4 strikers. Did Alex Ferguson reinvent the wheel when he signed Van Persie? No he went for the obvious and will probably win the league off the back of him. We should be hearing names like Soldado, Cavani, Huntelaar, Ba even. Instead we're hearing Sturridge and Ince. Brendan go for the proven goal getters while we've still got the semblance of a name to attract them.
ReplyDeletehow long do I have to wait for the approval?
ReplyDeleteheadline, first paragraph and majority of the post-it is about Suarez...
ReplyDeleteJamie I think this article is one of your best & personal favourite. You have completely nailed this. KD and BR would never openly criticize their "star player", instead they would/will turn a blind eye on things.
ReplyDeleteWhen a coach takes a stand for sporsmanship and justice then regardless of what team I will stand and applause.
A clap for Mr Moyes.
Wish went for him after Benitez left!
liverpool are just great to watch at this minute everyone's blaming each other for the mistakes being made but people forget rodgers sold half his players when he got to liverpool and loaned out christmas carrol i wouldn't let brendan rogers run a bath never mind my beloved football club its never gunna work because hes never proven himself as a top team manager, i think brendan rogers is in the deep end with his armbands on his legs and all you sorry kopites are gutted scwabbling on the net together and praising are everton manager haha its actually priceless love itXXGEDBXX
ReplyDeleteYou could have praised Moyes without mentioning Suarez, but you didn't ... so, yes, it is a dig at Luis.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't have the balls to admit it, you are just making a fool of yourself !!
Perfect response !!
ReplyDeletePeople! Wake up! How so many of you rely on 1 player. He's gone anyway. I say, sell him for 30kk and get 2 similar but with strong legs. Guys did you forget that he is nowhere near Torres, let alone GOD??? Are u MAD???
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing honest about moyes' stance on this incident, fellani is caught bang to rights so moyes is trying to minimise the degree of censure by cooperating. Rodgers and Liverpool could legitimately have contested the Suarez ban last week as one of the five accumulated yellows was given in error for diving against Sunderland. He chose not to for the exact same reason that moyes condemned his player today, hard nosed pragmatism. You are naive if you think otherwise, or maybe this is just yet another opportunistic dig at suarez
ReplyDeleteHaving the 100% behind Rodgers after your name, Jaime, smacks a little of hypocrisy. The hypothetical situation you've mentioned above regarding Rodgers' possible reactions to Suarez assaulting another player just confirms that. I don't know about you but my definition of being 100% behind a manager is accepting his judgement without question. Perhaps you should change it to 95% if you are willing to entertain the idea that Rodgers may deceive, inveigle and obfuscate.
ReplyDeleteYou guys on here are such hypocrites, it's laughable ...
ReplyDeleteYes, Suarez has dived occasionally ... but so have players of all other teams over the years ...
Just to notice, Suarez hasn't dived since the Stoke game.
If complaining to the ref is an offense ... then there would be a lot of yellow cards shown to each team each game ...
By the way, what has Brendan Rodgers done wrong up until now, that you blast him ??
So Moyes has said that Fellaini should get punished for his actions (most likely he will) ... there is nothing different to any manager admitting his player has been correctly sent off for a bad tackle or bad behaviour.
You write that you are defending and fighting for what the club stands for but now you are just part of the problem that weakens the foundation that Liverpool was built on in the last 50 years.
ReplyDeleteYou are the opposite of our problems you stand for what is right but to get your point across you attack the club you love for all the world to see not much difference from your arguments against people connected to our club who you say shame our club.
Would the Boot Room members want to be reading personal attacks and washing our dirty laundry in public on the club and players?
I don't really care whether they defend their players or not, but what I do care about is how we play on the pitch and our league position. Currently both are unacceptable. Mistakes have been made over the last few years and much money wasted. We can criticise the signings of rafa but Suarez apart I am struggling to see the quality added to our team by hodgkin, dalglish or Rodgers.
ReplyDeleteProblems obviously started during rafas time but I am a firm believer the problems were due to Americans running our club. For the first time we had to sell to buy. And that has carried on even during the current FSG reign. Again americans who don't understand the game.
This rebuilding could take years, and there is no guarantee at the end we will achieve any success. Rodgers talks a good game and his ideas are great in an ideal world. I really hope it all works out but I don't think it will. I think we will end up giving Brendan a few years and more money and at the end it will all end in tears. In my opinion he is not a proven success. Yes he could be a fergie and given time could help us dominate again. I am just not sure we have the patience, I certainly don't.
Rafa was a successful manager brought in to improve, and that he did.
We are LFC, we needed a proven manager not a young up coming guy.
At the end of the day while we are run by Americans (people who don't understand the game or don't have billions to throw at the club) we will not progress and succeed. We need mr money to come along and buy us and provide instant success. Arsenal have tried the young passing team, it didn't work . Man city and Chelsea are the recent challengers and they have spent huge. Only they can challenge the mancs.
Yes CostasY, you are right.. but do you know why Jamie Kanwar loves Moyes?? His mom was humped by blue noses... She still does it as a part time job..15 pounds/hr while blue noses get 2 pound discount. And there are rumors that Kanwar's real dad must be some blue nose.. Poor Jamie he doesnt know his real dad. That is the reason why he makes this liverpool site where liverpool is abused more than praised.. He is a son of a blue nose born by a street girl.
ReplyDeletejamie k, so many of your so-called articles are just shi... Do you really think people follow your kind of story? Do you really think people get encouraged by your stupid theories? Dream on but please stop talking LFC and start anything else.
ReplyDeleteOnly idi... would have started discussion about 'their' player and their manager on LFC-dedicated side. Who cares about them? Do not we have our problems? Are you paid for writing these shi...?
ReplyDeleteAlways myself.
your moniker is well suited; you display an unbelievable lack of reason as opposed to some fair minded and honest lfc posters in this thread.
ReplyDeleteI think, as you were reading the article you were frothing at the mouth and curling your fists.
...as you are now.
I understand your article jamie but wrap it up anyway you like its still denigrating luis yet again, the guy is clearly cleaning his act up & i just dont get your constant negative comments about our best player, why did it have to be suarez that you used as an example, i think the guy deserves a decent headline once in a while
ReplyDeleteManchester United is under American ownership. I dont think there is anything wrong with our owners they have already spent over 120M pounds on the club infact i think our owners are great. The fact that you want "mr money to come along and buy us and provide instant success" is sickening, go support mancity.
ReplyDeleteYou're quick to argue with people for showing blind support towards SUAREZ but you don't hesitate in sending antagonising articles which you fully know will create the response you claim to be annoyed about.
ReplyDeleteYou must be happy that you can link SUAREZ' name to whatever and get a good response (pays the bills along with your advertising contracts) or am i being cynical with my overview?
The negative attention that surrounds this player is getting annoying.I'm not a signed up member of the LUIS SUAREZ fan club (EVRA incident) but using him as the pantomime villain for every bad thing that happens in football is becoming tedious and transparent.
I challenge you JAIMIE KANWAR to come up with topics that don't involve him for a week.You might take a slight hit financially but you have regulars and it's only one week!
After watching match of the day any the Everton boss had no choice but not to defend Marouane Fellaini. That was horrible to watch a player doing that. If Paul Davis got 12 matches for punching a player this he should be hit with at least a 10 game ban. You cant compare this incident with what Dalgilsh and Rodgers have been defending Suarez for over the past two seasons.
ReplyDeletei kknow that isnt even it if you go the thefa.com which is their website the first pic is of united and their team celebrating no mention of any other team. Also why is the man united chairman the present vice chairman of the fa. this is all seriously dodgy. i really dont know what to make of it
ReplyDeleteya thanks for editing my comment took out the juicy bit about arsenal
ReplyDeleteThis is merely a damage limitation exercise from Everton, in the hope that FA somehow go easier on him, Fellani's public apology etc.... IMO
ReplyDeleteBut Moyes does seem to have some real decency about him and he has done an absolutely amazing job over the years.
I think managers have a difficult job when trying to answer tricky questions from utter knobends straight after games, especially if it's the tall guy from Sky - Andy Burton I think.
I rarely watch the post match stuff anymore, tired of seeing our penalty appeals turned down repeatedly :(
All posts make interesting reading , but nobody mentions the plague of the marking system at corners and free kicks which every team uses of late every time there are numerous fouls/ penalties but the referee cannot see them all he needs help , the Fellaini incident Mark Halsey appeared to be looking right at the incident so I dont know how he missed it. Moaning is a big issue now in the game and the only people that should be allowed to question should be the captain anyone else gathering around the referee pressurising should all be given yellow cards , it would soon stop and the managers should help re-enforce this.
ReplyDeleteThis kind of grappling / close man marking has gone on for years, it's as old as the game.
ReplyDeleteI remember getting a massive shock when playing for the 1st team in my college against a lot of u21 players from League of Ireland clubs, the shit that goes on is crazy..... Getting your private parts mangled at every corner, getting your feet trodden on. Nightmare
Only now we have 10 different angles for HD slow motion replays, it all is revealed.
This is why replays probably aren't used in football. The actual game and what goes on from set pieces etc is totally outside of the rules
I've watched the reruns on MOTD, Fellaini committed 3 red card offences in quick succession. Only one was penalised against him, so he could be looking at 2 retrospective counts of violent conduct which would equate to a double 3 match ban, with another few games thrown in for good measure.
ReplyDeleteCould be at least 8 games.
Shawcross reacted quite well...... After provoking it with his and his team mates WWE moves. Stoke should play rugby, or hop in a DeLorean and play in the 1960s
BRILLIANT!
ReplyDeletewe now have a way to link ANY negative happening in unrelated Premier League matches to Luis Suarez!
Perhaps that will make him decide he's had enough and leave, making a certain someone really happy. Genius. I'm sure that that would be for the best for LFC.
There is absolutely no justification for the link imo
You put it best yourself.
Oh god. Give over
Moyes was shown a replay of the incident apparently.
ReplyDeleteWhat else could he say?
I agree he does tend to show class however.
But surely we're not going down the route of guessing what BR or KK would do IF a Liverpool player did something that somebody else did ?
What's the point in that?
Oh OK then, we'll pop round to Billionaires r Us and claim our free Mr Money.
ReplyDeleteChelsea spent ridiculous amounts and finished 6th last season
Talk to me when Suarez blatantly headbutts the shit out of someone. Until then I'll defend his diving/alleged racism.
ReplyDeleteSeriously had Dalglish or Rodgers been his manager when he was biting chunks out of folks I don't think they'd try and defend him.
Also nice to see Rodgers criticising today's performance. It's too early to blame Rodger's. This isn't his squad. Give him time.
Liverpool bought him while he was banned for biting so forget the moral high ground on that one. Oh, but he's given up diving, in favour of stamping it would seem. What Felli did was stupid, he's admitted it, as has Moyes. Most managers would have took a different tack, and most players would have happily let their manager squirm and make excuses.
ReplyDeleteGlad I support a team that doesn't send out players to stop other teams no matter what, or to defend the indefensible.
Haha. Boys, do us a favour, come to Liverpool and ask a few kopites if they wanna have anything to do with your "love football, hate cheating" banners. It's remarkable how self righteous you two come across, and I don't think you're actually aware of that.
ReplyDeleteSome of the blogs(blags) you put up are so off the mark it's bordering the incredible.
You wrote about Moyes saying the only thing he could have said and then portray him as some sort of crusader of justice. An when the comparison to Kenny and Buck's backing of LFC players is made, you imply they don't have the respect for the game that he does. There is a massive difference between "not seeing" a player fouling another in a tackle or going to ground easy, and condemning a player walking up to another and blatantly head butting him. what else could Moyes have said? Seriously. And to say KD or BR wouldn't have said the same is make believe.
This is undeniably another circuitous snipe at LS7. Denying it just doesn't work, everybody knows you have an obsessive issue with him. To quote lieutenant George,"As far as I can see, you're as guilty as a puppy, sitting next to a pile of poo!".
Suarez didn't dive in the past few matches....why bother to mention his name again!? Perhaps you should write an article on "The Blind Trust on Stevie G"!!
ReplyDeleteWell done by Moyes, and Rodgers (as well as any LFC manager) must follow that suit indeed. Great teams need right principles, and right principles can not be built without honesty.
ReplyDeleteMoyes is class.. Enough said.
ReplyDeleteErr.. Are you willing to come over to the red side of pool mr moyes..
Haha
But it's you who brought Suarez into this headbutting incident in the first place. Read your headline. You are the one dragging Suarez into every incident that occurs in the EPL.
ReplyDeleteRodgers just does not have the class of a Liverpool manager. He keeps blowing a trumpet saying how brilliant we are, how many chances we make, how we pass the ball. To be honest I am sick of the sight of Suarez constantly gesturing and shouting at referees and linesmen. The guy wants to win at all costs and does not care about how it happens. Rodgers also does not care whether Suarez cheats or not, all he cares is when referees give us bad calls, then he is all moaning and whining. Today's home defeat to Villa is similar to many of our poor results, remember Udinese beating us. He just seems too pig-headed about Allen, Gerrard and Sterling in the team. I don't think Rodgers is the man to lead us anywhere but mid-table. To be honest I would love to see Suarez leave next summer to La Liga or Serie A. I'm sick of seeing a player who is a blatant cheat and sick of seeing a manager keep talking more than he gets results.
ReplyDeleteI admire Moyes honesty in saying that how many managers publicly condemn their own for on field incidents? look how long old Ferguson has been around he admits bugger all.
ReplyDeleteThere is much about Liverpool that is frustrating and i will still support Rodgers he has a rebuilding job to do and a long way to go..
The Suarez incidents are a small part of what is now wrong if anything i wish Rodgers would just say they just are not good enough yet.
I got the impression Rodgers was looking for somewhere to hide when Villa scored the second god knows what he thought after the third.
jaimie i find it ridiculas that you run a post on this when we ave just been humiliated by villa the real question should be ,do you still have faith,in the current regime,i know it,s your site but come on even the blind can see its not working
ReplyDeleteAs a Blue I expected to read the typical biased rubbish we talk about one another. This was balanced and fair. Yes Moyes did state the obvious - the difference being it's the obvious to you or I as fair minded fans - not to most blind managers who would refuse to even view the incident or state "I can't comment I never saw it". It's refreshing because it is true and honest - qualities I don't associate with our game anymore - because players and managers all appear to be ignorant, lying, spoilt millionaires who are a million miles removed from us the fans.
ReplyDeleteSet pieces are a joke - arms all around opponents - more akin to a wrestling match then footy.
I love the idea of fans bringing banners labelled "Love football - hate cheating".
Nice to read such a lot of fair minded comments. We may support different colours but we should all support the same game - whilst it still has a chance.
yeah but they won the champions league lol
ReplyDeleteWhy can't you have your toffee love-in without dragging Rodgers or Dalglish into this? When has Suarez ever headbutted someone in plain sight? You keep trying to draw comparisons between one players bad behavour and Suarez because you just can't let go. And like a true obsessive compulsive, you're in complete denial about it. Dalglish cannot have heard what Suarez said to Evra but you compare this to something that happened in plain sight. On top of that, you then condemn Dalglish for sticking by his player when he doesn't know what happened. The same goes for Rodgers. The one time he "defended" Suarez on an incident was against Stoke and all he said was that he was stamped on all match. Which is what actually happened. You're logic is hanging by ifs and buts but keep it going. It's so predictable I actually have a poll going with some mates to see how you will link completely unrelated issues to Suarez and I'm making money.
ReplyDeleteAs for Fellaini "losing his head", his career is littered with incidents like these. Het gets more red cards than Vinnie Jones nearly. So since you're so big on cheats, do some research and you will have your #30 topic
ReplyDeleteWhy are we even discussing Everton or Utd or Chelsea who cares...im only interested in Liverpool If some of you guys love Moyes so much go buy a ticket to Goodison and stop spouting your views to true red supporters.....Not to sure if you go on a blues or utd forum there fans would be bigging up liverpool regardless what our manager had done good or bad....
ReplyDeleteNot a shock in the slightest. Moyes has always been straight when his players have screwed up. Great manager, great man. Shame he's a blue.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is still in the middle of a 16 match ban in Holland for biting a player.
ReplyDeleteCome on Jamie, you can't just pressume you know what Dalglish or Rodgers would do. Deliberately headbutting an opponent can't be compared to pesterring the ref for a decision to go our way, the mancs whole team does it every match, why haven't they got a mention in your piece, this has nothing to do with Suarez so why make it about him, after getting booked last time he dived Gareth Bale became the biggest culprit in the league for diving, yet no mention of him either. Everybody knows what Suarez does, there's no need to keep making him the yardstick to measure everyone else against. There are lots of players who do lots of things it's not just Suarez.
ReplyDeleteListen, nobody does something to disadvantage himself without knowing he will benefit long term and Moyes is no excepetion. Moyes is not saint and I am pretty sure he is admitting to Fellaini doing wrong so Fellaini does not get a permanent nasty tag. The truth is, Fellaini has been doing these fouls since being bought by Everton back in 2008. Why is Moyes talking now?
ReplyDeleteAre you Dalglish in disguise or just unable to read? Yes Fellaini was caught bang to rights but Moyes could easily have stated he had not seen incident. Instead he publicly condemned his player (as he did Neville in the derby) and showed true class and leadership. Dalglish and Rodgers on other hand refuse to acknowledge and wrong-doing by any of their players despite similar strong evidence (one of many LS dives, his admission to comments to Evra,his numerous recent stamps on players). In addition, you can't appeal against yellows anyway, even for the 'special dispensation' club, so not sure how you are claiming moral high ground with that one!!
ReplyDeleteBased on the last 18 months, it's possible to make an educated guess about how Rodgers/Dalglish would respond. When has Rodgers ever acknowledged that Suarez dived? Even the most blatant diver ever against Stoke recently and he refused to admit it.
ReplyDeleteAnd Dalglish? Another manager whose blanket support for Suarez was just ridiculous.
Rodgers was at it again last night, defending Suarez over his dissent booking. He said:
"I didn't think he deserved to be booked. He had a couple of incidents that he protested about that went unpunished, to be fair - and then he was the one who was [punished]. I would never take that passion out of his game. That's what makes him the player he is. He has picked up some bookings this season but some of those were needless by the referees"
It's absolutely pathetic. Suarez was in the refs face bitching, and he deserved to get booked. Not according to Rodgers though, who once again blamed the referee.
Kanwar don't even go to matches, don't riven know why he has this site. Get back in yor hut kanwar,you know nothin
ReplyDeleteYou, like so many others, have spectacularly missed the point. Why? Because your pro-Suarez bias clouds your ability to look at things objectively.
ReplyDeleteThere is no comparison between Suarez and Fellaini here (!) It is a comparison between Rodgers/Dalglish and Moyes, and the point I'm trying to make is that LFC managers are never honest about their star players' misdeeds, whereas Moyes is. If you weren't so caught up in the 'Suarez is a victim' cobblers you'd be able to see that.
The way KD and BR ignore Suarez's behaviour is a disgrace, and Rodgers needs to stop insulting the intelligence of fans and take a leaf out of Moyes' book.
It's ironic that it takes an Everton manager to act like a Liverpool manager, but that's the way it is.
And you clearly have tunnel vision: Rodgers has defended Suarez's diving in practically every press conference since the start of the season. He did it again during Friday's press conference (completely unprovoked), and last night, he blamed the ref for booking him incorrectly.
And Dalglish didn't know what happened during the Suarez-Evra situation? Be serious. If you read the FA report into the issue, you will see that he knew on the day what Suarez said, and how did he and the club react after that? Pigheaded stubborness, rudeness, ultra-defensiveness and a total lack of humility.
So wot are you kanwar, the prosecution.why don't you think before write some things.wot is yor problem with our club
ReplyDeleteYou always slagged king Lenny off for turning a blind eye,now yor condoning it. Yor gettin worse
ReplyDeleteAt least Carroll isn't here, him and Suarez last season were a right pair of aggressive moaners at the officials. We moan about the likes of Chelski and Man United doiing the same but we got some of the worse at it, in our side.
ReplyDeleteMore speculative dross by Kanban. How about addressing the elephant in the room. The striker issue .. re-signing young Ince is a frightening lack of ambition ..
ReplyDeleteYeah he was on his face but what I think most people r pointing out to you is that other teams players do the same and don't get booked
ReplyDeleteFallani is one of the dirtiest players I have ever seen, he has more flying elbows than a thi boxing match but gets away with it all the time.
ReplyDeleteYes Suarez made racist comments, dived a lot last season and seems at time a nasty player, but he is getting better.
Didn't hear this much negative press for the biggest diver the PL has ever seen in Ronaldo and when Rooney use to kick crap out of any player who got the better of him. And of course Fergie is allowed to stick up for his divers and cheats
Jim i"ve said it before epl is on a downward spiral,i have to rescind that and say it seems th at sport in general is shot!We automatically blm the owners,some cases ,maybe,imo i think the tv people should shoulder a lot of the blame.The technology is there tocover the game anyway so use it to help officiate it.Oh right,that might take up too much of the time slot.How long is a cricket match or tennis game?Sync swimming is starting to look good.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know this how? Do you watch the full 90 mins of every premier league game? I think not. Why make a statement like that when there's no way you can back it up? It's just something pulled out thin air to defend Suarez.
ReplyDeleteGet a grip (!) How am I condoning it? I merely stated Moyes had the option of saying he didn't see it. I didn't advocate that approach.
ReplyDeleteAs a Proud EVERTONIAN even I think it is grossly unfair to brand Suarez and compare him to what Fellaini did yesterday. Suarez annoys me and some of his antics really get under my skin but NOTHING (including the ridiculous swan-diving) compare to the stupid aggresive bullying that Fellaini (who I love BTW) indulged in yesterday. There is no need to compare him to Suarez or anyone else.. he was stupid and he deserves the punishment he gets. ... and yes Moyes did show class but no more than you would expect.
ReplyDeletePlease, give it a rest with your tedious superfan rhetoric. You represent an anachronistic minority of Liverpool 'fans', i.e. those who think that the only real fans are those who were born ten feet from Anfield. I don't presume to speak on behalf of the insular, narrow-minded superfans like yourself. It's you who is 'off the mark', and you can't even see it.
ReplyDeleteNot just suarez but half the prem dive cheat and do anything to win. So suarez fits in well with his surroundings. So jamie try to be a bit more realistic in you post. Not its not just suarez it is the prem and that is the way it is. Manu have won many titles through cheating... How many dives have won them match after match. The best diver ronoldo went fo 80 mil. So jamie football is the last place on earth to look for what is right and wrong!!!
ReplyDeleteand still trophyless !great manager my arse
ReplyDeleteWhy Tony Pullis just keep quiet about this case?David Moyes now you tell the true...hahaha.What you give,you get back.Finaly the god teach you a lesson....Thanks god.
ReplyDeleteDuring the Bush administration, Saadams name was mentioned in the same
ReplyDeleteSentence as Afganistan and Osam Bin Laden with out ever saying Saadam is a terrorist, eventually he was recognized as one. Lol
Isn't the whole point that they should be booked and that all managers should say they deserved it? Better for fans, players and managers.
ReplyDeleteanyone who thinks there is not an unconcious referreeing conspiracy against liverpool in general and suarez is mad - the reason is they know the media wont be hard on them so why risk it ?. it's liverpool after all. they get bamed when it's anyone elses falt including referrees.
ReplyDeleteHe hang up! oviously
ReplyDeletering ring ring...no answer, run out of lies...
If Suarez had headbutted someone as obviously as that, of course Rogers would have condemned him. There is no doubt about it. Any manager in Moyes' position would have had to say the same thing. Speculating that Rogers would try and fudge it is absolutely ridiculous. Yet again Kanwar demonstrates his complete lack of intelligence.
ReplyDeleteMost managers would have said 'I didn't see it, I'll need to see the replays afterwards' or would have deflected it onto another incident (such as spinning the usual line of Stoke's style of play being provocative, etc, bla bla bla). Come on, have you not heard Wenger over the years? 'i didn't see it', its a classic.
ReplyDeleteFor a start, don't presume to know my standing on fans from 'out of town' because, as you've proved (again), it's you who's well wide of the mark. I'm extemely proud (indeed, often boastful) that my club is a magnet for fans from across the planet. For me, the fact that every real football fan around the whole world knows, us marks us out as one of the truly great, historical clubs (Real, Barca, AC, Bayern and a couple more). Even now, after so long without a league title, the kids on the other side of the world know our badge.
ReplyDeleteYou were talking about having banners held up by the kop proclaiming our disgust for cheating like its a good idea. So when I said "come to Liverpool",that wasn't a dig at you not being Scouse. That was telling you that you wouldn't get much more than laughed at.
The fact is, as much as I enjoy our far flung fan base, most of the fans on the Kop are Scousers and if you think they would hold up some daft banners about cheating then you would be sadly dissatisfied. We aren't too bothered to be honest because things generally even themselves out with regards to having good and bad decisions going your way and, if that's due to reffing or cheating is irrelevant,as both are, have been and always will be part of football.
What we don't like is one of our players
this is a pointless article, i think any manager would say what moyes said, you cant defend someone for BLATENTLY headbutting someone! Suarez has never gone out to delibritly injure someone!
ReplyDeleteAs I said, fans with your ignorant view are thankfully in the minority. Only a person sadly out of touch with the real issues would think that campaigning against cheating is something to be laughed at. I've witnessed first hand hardcore superfans on the Kop exhorting LFC players to dive and cheat, so your view is hardly surprising.
ReplyDeleteWhere is the evidence for that? Did Rodgers condemn Suarez for the two blatant stamps in the everton game? Has he ever admitted he dives, or condemn3d him for it? No.
ReplyDelete...continuously held up as some sort of benchmark for wrong in the world of football. So much so that his name is brought into stories that don't in any way involve him. If a player falls over it's 'Suarez this and that', I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote an article about the North Korea missile launch and somehow slipped in a dig at the man. If he does wrong, trust me, we are as frustrated as we are appreciative when he does something brilliant. But you are so one-sided in your opinions of him it detracts from people taking your views seriously.
ReplyDeleteWhether people my views seriously or not is irrelevant to me. I find it amusing that most people assume that anyone who writes about anything does so for validation and/or ego massage. I am probably one of the most attacked football writers on the planet (Just ask my stalker), so validation is clearly not my goal (!) Ultimately, I am just a fan with a opinion, just like you and every other football supporter, and if people don't take my views seriously then that's fine by me.
ReplyDeleteWhether people my views seriously or not is irrelevant to me. I find it amusing that most people assume that anyone who writes about anything does so for validation and/or ego massage. I am probably one of the most attacked football writers on the planet (Just ask my stalker), so validation is clearly not my goal (!) Ultimately, I am just a fan with a opinion, just like you and every other football supporter, and if people don't take my views seriously then that's fine by me.
ReplyDeleteI think if Suarez had done this, the ref would have seen it and all the papers would be full tomorrow of how he didn't deserve to live his life on the same planet as the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteYoucontradictyourself, yet again Kanwar. Yousayyoudon't write to massage your egobutthen claim to be oneof the most attacked footballwriters "onthe planet". If that's not egotistical to claim yourself as oneof the most anything on the planet,what is?
ReplyDeleteif Rodgers is a liar, lacks leadership quand other attributes required to be a Liverpool manager why are you 100% behind him?
ReplyDelete'any manager' could easily b*llshi* and say 'they didn't see it, I'll need to watch the replay afterwards', especially when the ref or linesman didn't see it. Wenger has done that for years.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about 'never', unless Bakkal gave Suarez his consent...
ah kanwar having another go at suarez, why didnt you compare him to bale or one of the other cheaters in football, its allways suarez, this site is allways negative towards liverpool, why dont you stick to writing about your own manc team and keep your views yo yourself, allways triny to drag our players and team through the mud
ReplyDeleteThere's not a manager who could have said they didn't see what MF did yesterday and come out of it with an iota of credibility.To say most managers would have is just silly. Grow up and stop pretending to know what other people would do in any given situation. You're just inviting ridicule with your blindness to the fact this whole blog was contrived as a very roundabout way to have a dig at Suarez. The gritters missed our road this morning, dyou think Luis is to blame?
ReplyDeleteThat is what I am doing- asking. Can't come to Kop so this is how I did it. I do think that banner, alongside with managers telling off their players when they cheat and financial fines from FA could eradicate cheating, and that Liverpool and its' supporters should lead the way.
ReplyDeleteSome of you Liverpool fans are so lost it's unbelievable! Suarez has never gone out to deliberately injure somebody???? Seriously how can you say that, with the biting, stamping and racist slurs he has come out with. Fellaini deserves to be punished but Suarez has got away with far more than he has been punished for. My own take is I don't want any of this in the game, they should feel be privileged to play the game at a professional level and therefore should act accordingly.
ReplyDeleteHe is not gone, he is the best we have at the moment(by far), and not relying, just stating the obvious...
ReplyDeleteIts another oppotunistic dig at Suarez. Face it, Jaime will never let it slip and instead of living in present times, he continues to live in the past.
ReplyDeleteEven if I can easily argue this whole dig at Suarez line by line, its not worth my time.
As for the Fellaini incident, it totally proves that Moyes is a highly intelligent manager. He spotted Fellaini's wrong doing and gave a correct verdict, even though 99% of the country's population would have thought the same thing, but lets just leave that out shall we. Don't want to steal Moyes's thunder.
Not frothing at the mouth just dispassionately telling the truth without bandying insults. You cannot appeal yellow cards but you can appeal bans which result from them, which was precisely my point. The moyes interview referred to in this article took place after he had seen the incident so he could not have claimed not to have seen it. Several hours on it now emerges that moyes has denied seeing the two subsequent violent incidents and has refused to talk about them. My original point is therefore proven, that he is no more or less honest than Rodgers he was just being pragmatic.
ReplyDeleteI love it, your right, I think I'm going to move out from reading anything this site has to offer. Heck I might even start my own blog, Liverpool fans deserve better. Jaime can argue all he wants, or flag all he wants, but he has just given praise for an Everton manager, that gave a correct verdict on a player caught GUILTY of headbutting a player that no one can defend anyways, all whilst criticizing our only striker fit atm.
ReplyDeleteTypical kanwar, when your argument doesn't hold water you delete post. Isn't that a form of cheating?
ReplyDeleteI didnt even read past the opening paragraph to know this is the tedious writing of Jamie Kamwar, negative LFC reporting, hence i haven't a clue what he went on to say!
ReplyDeleteManagers don't give a monkeys about 'credibility'. The likes of Wenger, Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa, KK, etc have come out with some utter rubbish over the years in the name of their respective clubs. Credibility, morals, principles, consistency, etc, are not words I associate with managers, more like hypocrisy, inconsistency, blind support, etc, are more likely with the current trend of managers. You preach to me to stop pretending to know/assume what others do, yet you do it yourself with 'there's not a manager who could have said they didn't see.....'. Amusing hypocrisy. Nice one(!) But sorry to you and precious ego for assuming to know what other managers would think. Are you going to have a go at the other guy above who dared to say 'any manager....' or just don't give a monkeys because it doesn't go against your view? Don't answer that, as you haven't bothered to do it thus far so I assume its the latter. Note for future, if your going to preach and lecture others, make sure your squeaky clean yourself. ;)
ReplyDelete'The gritters missed our road this morning, do you think Luis is to blame?' Yawn, its the 'the whole world is against Suarez' mob I see is here. Wahhhh. Have a tissue, love. Anyhoo, been fun but I'm done.
Managers don't give a monkeys about 'credibility'. The likes of Wenger, Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa, KK, etc have come out with some utter rubbish over the years in the name of their respective clubs. Credibility, morals, principles, consistency, etc, are not words I associate with managers, more like hypocrisy, inconsistency, blind support, etc, are more likely with the current trend of managers. You preach to me to stop pretending to know/assume what others do, yet you do it yourself with 'there's not a manager who could have said they didn't see.....'. Amusing hypocrisy. Nice one(!) But sorry to you and precious ego for assuming to know what other managers would think. Are you going to have a go at the other guy above who dared to say 'any manager....' or just don't give a monkeys because it doesn't go against your view? Don't answer that, as you haven't bothered to do it thus far so I assume its the latter. Note for future, if your going to preach and lecture others, make sure your squeaky clean yourself. ;)
ReplyDelete'The gritters missed our road this morning, do you think Luis is to blame?' Yawn, its the 'the whole world is against Suarez' mob I see is here. Wahhhh. Have a tissue, love. Anyhoo, been fun and easy but I'm done with you.
If you remember numb nut's, Fergie stood by Cantona after his dive into the crowd and assault a fan, but let's not highlight that little escapade eh. no let's pull LFC to bit's as you so professionally do week in week out.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it sickening? Even manc fans are unhappy with their ownership plus the difference is fergie runs that club. Who runs ours?
ReplyDeleteWe have tried this and that and then this and that for over 20 years now without any success. And now we are trying tikka taka...this will bring us great success as we will have 80% of the ball and 0 points to show for it. That's sickening.
The only success we had was with rafa, bring him back and I will be happy. I am not happy that we have to rebuild every 3 or 4 years. The modern game is all about money. That's reality.
Why should I go support man city? If you love Americans that much why don't you go support man utd.
Lol
ReplyDeleteNot to mention the fa cup and 6th is a tad bit higher than us and they are 3rd in the league at present.
They will spend more than us and be challenging much sooner than us. Might take them a season or 2. How long do you think it will take us?
Unless you have been sleeping for the last few years you would have noticed the interest shown in us by malaysian and arab billionaires. For some reason we have chosen to go with Americans both times. Maybe we need to change our game from tikka taka to American football.
I don't think the author said Rodgers is the only man in history to stand by a player who has done dislike-able things, so I'm not sure it is relevant to bring up a 15+ year old example.
ReplyDeletethe difference is it was open for debate whether the stamp was deliberate or not and no retrospective action was taken. The head assault by fellani could only be condemned!
ReplyDeleteNot sure they're shocking comments tbh. During his time with us Moyes has been one of the more honest and fair-minded Prem managers in post-match interviews (though perhaps that's not saying much, given that so many of the rest of the Prem's managers set the bar so low).
ReplyDeleteAFAIK, Moyes is the only Prem manager this season to fine one of his own players for diving. If Rodgers held his players to the same high standards, Suarez would be operating at a loss.
what do you expect when we have a chelsea banker sorting out who lfc got sold to ffs only at anfield
ReplyDeleteMaybe if Moyes had been asked directly he would have commented on the plastic token thrown at Suarez. I mean, Suarez made sure everyone saw what happened, but at least he didn't throw it back at the crowd.
ReplyDeleteYou never assumed anything, you STATED that most other managers would have said they never saw the incident. A trip back to school and double English for you son. And If you read the post above that you referred to he says "Any manager in his position would have HAD to say the same thing.". Maybe you're not aware that Moyes had seen the replay before speaking out. Or maybe you just don't gather the facts before you comment. So what was that about my 'petty', 'precious' preaching? The inescapable fact is Suarez should never have been mentioned in this article. That he was, is simply proof of Kanwars obsessive need to badmouth him. So much so that he wrote this whole blog about Moyes with a view to doing so. The irony is, though, it is a complete farce as Moyes had no option but to condemn his player as he had seen the replay, so the whole Moyes the champion of justice angle he used is a complete non-story to begin with. You want that dummy back?
ReplyDelete"lift the black veil and have a tissue" good one.
The whole story is irrelevant. As Moyes watched the replay, before speaking to the press, he had no choice but to condemn it. This doesn't make him some sort of hero, nor does it cast a bad light on the behaviour of KD, BR,LS or anybody else. I can't imagine any manager watching a replay of their player butting another player and then telling the world he hadn't seen it. That would be bizzare. This whole article seems contrived to cast aspersions on the character of our manager and star player. Not very successfully though, when all things are considered. Fact, not fiction next time please Kanwar.
ReplyDeleteDelete,delete,delete.got no answer?
ReplyDeleteNever had the option to say otherwise as he was shown the replay prior to talking with the tv. You'll obviously delete this post though as you won't have a credible comeback... Again.
ReplyDeleteRemoved two of my comments when he's had no answer too.
ReplyDeleteThat's just it Orc "an example", but we have probably spectacularly missed the point as is often the defensive answer, but you know what, just what the f::k am i in this so called LFC site in the first place 2nd time in and the last.
ReplyDeleteFrom what he said, I don't know how you can say for sure whether he 'stated' it or 'assumed' it. More like back to school for you. Just because he said it, doesn't mean it is not a statement that is an assumption. You can't prove it either way, definitively, as you aren't the author. Your the one that is assuming things. Just like he assumed Moyes hadn't seen the replay, hence his comment of most managers. You could have simply corrected him in your initial reply and sensibly said he had seen the replay, instead of coming off like some typical scorned Suarez b*tch. Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteJK doesn't like Suarez's behaviour and didn't like KK's & Rodger's public tolerating of it. He doesn't like Fellaini's behaviour and liked his manager's public damning of it, regardless of the matter of the seeing the reply. So he has linked the two by saying he would like Rodgers to damn Suarez when he acts up on the pitch. So to say 'should never have been mentioned' is laughable. What rulebook is there that says Suarez shouldn't have been mentioned in this context? None. 'Fact', what factual book is that in? Hmm.
Thank you but I don't need your help, considering some of the aggressive waffle you come out with, in the name of God Suarez. An assumption is not a fact, for the millionth time. Replay or not, JK would like a manager to condemn a player if he has acted out odiously (to put it politely) on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteSmall edit to my post. Did Moyes see the replay whilst talking to the tv reporter and camera? If yes, than of course he couldn't waffle his way out of the one and simply tell the truth. If he had seen the replay off-camera and not in front of TV reporter, he could have still waffled his over it if he wanted in front of tv reporter later, regardless of seeing it or not.
ReplyDeleteI deleted your other comments because you were sniping. I'm not interested in your tedious bitching about the site/me. If you want to make points about football, go ahead; if you snipe, your posts will be deleted. I you don't like that, tough nougies as the American's say.
ReplyDeleteRe your point about Moyes: total myth, made up by LFC fans to try and disparage his stance. Please post the proof that Moyes 'was shown the replay' prior to making his statement.
If you can't provide proof, you're just making it up.
Once again: how do you know Moyes watched the replay before speaking to the Press? Were you there? Did you witness that? Is there a credible report somewhere that states this happened? P{ost the proof instead of making things up.
ReplyDeleteYou Sir....SHM...
ReplyDeleteKD might have not hear about what he said during the match but the FA report clearly states that KD had knowledge of the incident on the same day of the match. What does he do?
Rudeness to the press, stubbornness, justification and blind support. On top of that he then allows players to wear Suarez T-shirts and he as the manager has the power to tell these under contract players not to wear them shirts on match day.
Once again, because it was one of our players he blindly supported him without basis, instead of declining to comment until further progression of the case.
And BR, refuses to criticize Suarez nonsense by justifying it somehow and turning a blind eye. But he is very quick to pinpoint other mistakes.
David Moyes on this case done the right thing. BR or KD would probably say they did not see it in an attempt to protect their star player.
Although DM possibly did not see it, after he probably saw replays he condemned Fellaini of his act, full on, no excuses.
Seeing KD and BR's track records they probably would turn a blind eye to it, proven by their actions regarding Suarez cheating. Especially BR.
Indeed. He is no angel. Of course other players do some bad stuff as well but he takes the bicuit!
ReplyDeleteBiting a players like his Tyson!
Because IMO Jamie believes in the project overall and sees potential in BR footballing wise. As such he supports the Club ahead of a man.
ReplyDeleteWith his dire budget he has done very well. KD blew millions of "quality player" and Moyes still finished above us.
ReplyDeleteAn insightful piece of journalism. You have created a fictitious series of events and then slagged off LFC management for their despicable reactions. Stunning! Sticking with reality, well done Moyes, although what he should or could have done differently given the situation... .
ReplyDeleteIn defence of Suarez, in the last few months he has really changed his game, not that we have still had a penalty anyway.
ReplyDeleteWith regards Moyes, he is being very canny here, he knows he needs to sell before he can buy, he knows he has big money offers for Fellaini and he knows Fellaini is a crowd favourite. Now he has the perfect excuse to sell without too much reaction from the fans, very canny Mr Moyes.
I'm not quite sure he would have done or said the same thing if it had been any other player.
You do realize that not every fan in Anfield is a scouser dont you????? and the fact that youre suggesting the Kopites would laugh at the idea of a "banner against cheating" is more of a bad reflection on your opinion of Scousers.... Its certainly not something to be proud of... Most fans of most clubs would be happy to show a banner against cheating, racism, corruption etc... Im not saying I agree with the idea but I dont agree that you speak for every scouser thats for sure... and dont pretend youre not lookin down you nose at out of town fans coz you are... Every fan counts.. We wouldnt be as big a club without every fan.. In this day and age location of birth means nothing.
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