Uruguayan football commentator Jorge Ramos has launched a stinging attack on the FA's handling of the Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra debacle, claiming that the decision to find Suarez guilty of using abusive and/or insulting words towards the Manchester United star was 'discriminatory'.
Speaking to ESPN on Friday, Ramos - an ESPN Sportscaster and lead host of ESPN Deportes TV - was asked for his views on the Suarez-Evra situation, and he provided the following emphatic response:
"The entire country felt insulted by what happened to Luis Suarez.
"We really believe we know what Suarez is [like] as a person; as a human being. He's nothing but a great person and he has nothing to do with racism.
"The decision [to find Suarez guilty] was misjudged, and I think there was discrimination in the decision. Nothing was ever proved, and it was just Suarez's word against Evra".
I have to agree with Ramos here; I still can't understand what all the fuss was about. Why is it so wrong to make a reference to another person's skin colour in an atmosphere of hostility?! As any fair-minded person will agree, the trumped up charges against Suarez were a disgrace to football, and the FA's discriminatory behaviour brought shame on the beautiful game.
Okay, Suarez admitted in his witness statement that he used the word 'negro' towards Evra, but what's the big deal? What does that prove? Suarez merely stated the obvious, i.e. that Evra is, as a matter of irrefutable ethnic fact, black. When did stating simple facts become illegal?
As Ramos stated, Suarez is a 'great person', and every one of Uruguay's 3.3m inhabitants knows this to be an inalienable fact. However, the kangaroo court that made the decision spuriously chose to ignore this compelling piece of evidence. Why?
It truly beggars belief. What kind of a sick, twisted world do we live in where a paragon of virtue like Luis Suarez can be victimised in such a heinous manner?
To add insult to injury, not only did the FA's independent panel unfairly condemn the totally innocent Suarez with its 'misjudged' decision, the panel's inexcusable ignorance and blatant prejudice ended up insulting the entire country of Uruguay!
Miscarriages of justice like this just underline the depressing fact that football is in the gutter, and without urgent reform, the game we love is in danger of destroying itself, and I say that without a hint of hyperbole.
* For those who didn't get it, this article is supposed to be ironic.
Jaimie Kanwar
Speaking to ESPN on Friday, Ramos - an ESPN Sportscaster and lead host of ESPN Deportes TV - was asked for his views on the Suarez-Evra situation, and he provided the following emphatic response:
"The entire country felt insulted by what happened to Luis Suarez.
"We really believe we know what Suarez is [like] as a person; as a human being. He's nothing but a great person and he has nothing to do with racism.
"The decision [to find Suarez guilty] was misjudged, and I think there was discrimination in the decision. Nothing was ever proved, and it was just Suarez's word against Evra".
I have to agree with Ramos here; I still can't understand what all the fuss was about. Why is it so wrong to make a reference to another person's skin colour in an atmosphere of hostility?! As any fair-minded person will agree, the trumped up charges against Suarez were a disgrace to football, and the FA's discriminatory behaviour brought shame on the beautiful game.
Okay, Suarez admitted in his witness statement that he used the word 'negro' towards Evra, but what's the big deal? What does that prove? Suarez merely stated the obvious, i.e. that Evra is, as a matter of irrefutable ethnic fact, black. When did stating simple facts become illegal?
As Ramos stated, Suarez is a 'great person', and every one of Uruguay's 3.3m inhabitants knows this to be an inalienable fact. However, the kangaroo court that made the decision spuriously chose to ignore this compelling piece of evidence. Why?
It truly beggars belief. What kind of a sick, twisted world do we live in where a paragon of virtue like Luis Suarez can be victimised in such a heinous manner?
To add insult to injury, not only did the FA's independent panel unfairly condemn the totally innocent Suarez with its 'misjudged' decision, the panel's inexcusable ignorance and blatant prejudice ended up insulting the entire country of Uruguay!
Miscarriages of justice like this just underline the depressing fact that football is in the gutter, and without urgent reform, the game we love is in danger of destroying itself, and I say that without a hint of hyperbole.
* For those who didn't get it, this article is supposed to be ironic.
Jaimie Kanwar
Touchy subject!! No one should make reference to a persons skin colour end of. fa decided to believe evra over suarez nothing we can do but move on. just find the way the john terry incident has been reported as a joke..no mention of racism in the headline after fa charged him.efc fans calling him a goofy little rat/racist...where they saying that about terry in the euros?? Surprised you are defending luis given you banged on about selling him due to the world cup incident and the initial evra complaint
ReplyDeleteJaimie is there any point opening old wounds again nothings going to be done about it now anyway, lets just move on from the episode.
ReplyDeleteWe all know it was 1 mans word against another, there was no evidence and Suarez was dealt with in a harshly, the FA got it wrong.
Lets move on for the good of the game
Calling someone negro isn't racist. Racism is insulting a whole race. This Suarez- Evra saga isn't racism. The media in England is so pussy, just because they're so scared of black people. The exposure and openness of calling someone's race without being malicious isn't their, unlike in other countries(like America). This was misjudged. People should be open.
ReplyDeleteWell JAmie you have slaughtered Suarez all season, does this man talk sense? He seems to , to me!
ReplyDeleteJust so people don't get confused, I am hoping that Jamie wrote this article in a very sarcastic tone. Mind you it still isn't worth the read in my opinion, a waste of time this was.
ReplyDeleteHes absolutely correct. If you want a clear picture of how the The Guardian discriminates. Look at he articles of Terry and of Suarez.....EXACT same charge - Luis headline uses the word RACISM while the other says ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.
ReplyDeleteIf you want proof of the FA's action look no further than when Terry gets off light compared to Luis. Nuff said.
How have I opened old wounds? The interview was ESPN, one of the most-watched sports channels on the planet. I'm merely reporting the comments.
ReplyDeleteMove over Oscar Wilde
ReplyDeleteim black mate and if you called me a negro to my face id land you one,
ReplyDeleteyoull be saying john terry is innocent next,
move on it history.
You sir, are rubbish!
ReplyDeleteWe'll see if the FA accept John Terry's "sarcastic" racist comments. Sarcasm seems the way to go
ReplyDeleteAgreed with Ramos 100%. If Suarez was English nothing wouldve happened. When does JT starts his 8 match ban. England as a country is losing its identity. I lived in England for 19 years and in some places they wouldn't even put Xmas decorations just in case somebody was offended. PATHETIC. FA and English press r bunch of F*****g arseholes. One rule for the English players another for the foreign ones. PATHETC. Hypocricy at the highest order. Jamie don't know if the FA reads yr web or not but just in case they do in Croatia there's factory whitch makes sweets called NEGRO for about 50 yrs why don't they try and close them down.
ReplyDeletewhen in rome you behave like the romans. if you feel strongly about the injustice then maybe you should go on holiday to kuwait and drink alcohol in the street.
ReplyDeleteI think the guy is bang on. No corroborated evidence, nobody else heard anything, none of the cameras or micropohones found anything incriminating yet he is found guilty. Kangaroo Court!!
ReplyDeleteare you basically condoning the use of racial 'slurs' in an 'atmosphere of hostility' ?
ReplyDeleteJamie your passive-aggressive retort proves Ramos's point.
ReplyDeleteIt's seemingly beyond comprehension to many in this parochial nation that in some cultures, it is entirely possible to make racial references without meaning offence.
The British history of slavery weighs heavily upon us. So heavily, to make a racial reference here is to imply genetic superiority. That is why it is considered worse to refer to somebody's skin colour than it is to refer to any other physical characteristic. That is the legacy of OUR racist past.
But what does that have to do with a Uruguayan who, for all we know, grew up making racial references everyday; perhaps even sometimes as insults? Who are we to judge him on our terms when any racial references he makes aren't charged with the same meaning they would be if WE, as Britons, made them?
You can say he should have been more sensitive of our standards but that doesn't make him racist; just ignorant. But are you any less ignorant Jamie? It doesn't seem like it to me.
Well written :-)
ReplyDeletekeep going Jamie lad, you missed on his one but you will get one right soon
ReplyDeleteYes, that's clearly what I'm doing.
ReplyDeleteI know, what a scandal. It's not like Suarez admitted it or anything.
ReplyDeleteOnly one person and his cronnies to blame for the whole incident and that is His royal highness (in the eyes of the press) Sir Red Nose Fergy
ReplyDeleteFinally an article supporting Luis, thanks Jamie!
ReplyDeleteyour sarcasm just proves that deep down you are a dilluded inbred manc kanwar close your site as you are definatley not one of us.
ReplyDeletelol skeen, looks like your completely missing the point mate, shows all thats wrong with you and your club
ReplyDeleteI get the feeling the whole article was a bit tongue in cheek, might be wrong but just how it came across
ReplyDeleteGosh, the irony... (!)
ReplyDeleteDon't talk shyte....does that mean when you go to any Muslim country you start treating women like dirt...!!! Complete and utter rubbish...!!!
ReplyDeleteLowest form of wit, Jamie.
ReplyDeleteAnd why is it "deluded" to have an opinion on something?
Maybe you should learn to respect other cultures instead of acting like a little Englander who thinks they know best...!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's not deluded to have an opinion (and that's not what I suggested anyway), but an opinion can be deluded.
ReplyDeleteAnd this isn't sarcasm, it's irony.
i wish Suarez and the rest of the world could get on with life. The big baby was found guilty and was punished. Suarez did not need to remind Evra that he was black I don't think Evra was confused as to what his skin color was. I don't know what part of foot-ball required Suarez to remind Evra about his skin color. As someone who follows the game closely that is not part of the game as far as I know. Unless the game has changed a lot lately and i am unaware of it.
ReplyDeleteSuarez made a mistake and he got punished end of story. In Ajax where he was before coming to Liverpool he got hungry for a players ears and bit on it during an actual game and got punished there too. In the world cup in 2010 he thought he was a goal keeper and used his hands to stop the ball from crossing the line in a game against Ghana. Fortunately for Uruguay Ghana didn't really know how to take penalties. The player Luis Suarez has been a player for whom controversy is the order of the day and that has not been any different last season. His antics last season contributed greatly in the sacking of Kenny Daglish.
I usually don't need anyone reminding me of my skin color since i am usually around a mirror . So it was clearly out of place for Suarez to remind Evra what color he was. If they got into an argument about some other foot-balling issue it is easy to assume that Suarez may not have had the upper hand which is why he went down the route of using deregatory racial remarks. John Terry also found out that it is unnecessary to remind a black person that he is black during the game of foot-ball. The FA has punished him and he might have miss games like Suarez did.
My take on the whole thing was both parties were wrong and both should have got the same ban, I believe Evra admitted calling Luis "a Dirty South American" before Luis replied with somthing with the word Negrito in. Both are indeed partly factual statements to each other, however both are also negative, therefore it would have seemed both sides should have been banned.
ReplyDeleteThe Reporter himself in question though has made his argument weakened by plucking things from the air, like saying all 3.3million fellow country men know him and what hes like, which is clearly never going to be the case.
Terry is England Captain, or was, and therefore the F.A and media who both are so scared of being called racsists where never going to tar themselves with the same brush. I thought this was clear from day one.
lets jst hope justice is done with john terry or i far that this will just rumble on in my opinion terry must get at least the same ban as suarez or the fa coud well have a case of descriination to answer them self
ReplyDeleteYou are not funny Jamie it is the lowest form of wit apparently. Take it seriously or shut up about it. Yes the word you and all those booing Suarez is context. I am black and if I reclaim the n word and use it in anyway on a football pitch under FA rules I can be done. You tell me what should be done. An English court found they couldn't convict Terry but the FA are being criticised for charging him. They weren't criticised for charging Suarez. In his country the meaning of black is not insulting and unless he added to the word negro something how is it offensive. Yes you should be careful as Patrice Evra is black and so am I. Yes that is how we describe ourselves and expect others to do so, in Evra's case his other team mates.
ReplyDeleteYour obviously an iliterate. does the law in a muslim world say you should treat a woman like shitee? It`s people like you that are easily decieved by KK in defending Suarez`s action. It is hard to reason with sheeps,
ReplyDeleteGood shout Joe. I wonder if he used c*** to punctuate the negro word that may have been seen as a offensive comment but maybe not by the courts. Fact is he called Evra black and he is
ReplyDeleteWell I was born here which makes me more English then you. 45 years of experience. About Jt well FA have charged him and before you start to compare just remember suarez has been proved to say his comments alot more than once while JT just once so don`t expect a 8 match ban. or cry conspiracy when hes given 2 or 3 games ban.
ReplyDeleteYou can call other countries as much as you like but the fact is we are in England . End of.
Not when that opinion is shared by a whole nation.
ReplyDeleteAnd me.
And what Law are you talking about.....!!! It's culture you idiot...!!! There was absolutely nothing unlawful in what Suarez said...!!! It's idiots like you that make absolute mountains out of molehills and bring the whole world to a halt because you are insulted by someone being called black...!!! Well guess what....he is black....just like I'm a ginge...but I won't get my knickers in a twist by someone calling me a ginger bastard....!!! If they did...I would be more upset about being called a bastard.....you know why....because my parents were married when I was born...!!! So guess what....Evra is black....there is absolutely nothing racist about calling him black....and in fact with the term Suarez used it is known as being an affectionate term in his native tongue....but hey...let's not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn...!!! Sheep....You wouldn't spot a sheep from an Aran jumper you blind completely pc moron...!!!
ReplyDeleteMy post is ironic, not sarcastic. And I have taken it seriously; At the time, I defended Suarez in more detail and at greater length than any other site/news provider on or offline. I also exclusively revealed how one of the panel members had strong links to Alex Ferguson and his son, a story that was later stolen by The Telegraph.
ReplyDeleteA whole nation? That is a gross generalisation. Was everyone in Uruguay surveyed on the issue?
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with Jorge Ramos. it proves once again the hatred by english people towards southamericans specially argentinian and uruguayan. See the olympic games and not only suarez is being booed but also the argentinian basketball team.
ReplyDeleteyou are stupid. He actually contextualised it and explained he wasn't using the word black in an offensive way. You should shut up. There is a bigger debate and you are trivialising it.
ReplyDeleteGood point but its even deeper than that with colonisation and the amount of civil wars caused after. I could go on but hey its football not politics. I just wonder if Suarez had missed a Doping test and was given a 9 months ban whether all liverpool fans would wonder if that was a Man utd conspiracy? The sums don`t add up and i`m sure rio ferdinand would agree!!!
ReplyDeleteColman - please refrain from insulting other posters. I've edited your post. Further posts that contain insults will not go live. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI was just giving as good as I got...that's all....!!! My aim wasn't to insult...!!!
ReplyDeleteSo I guess context is entirely irrelevant, right? Suarez said the word 'negro' to Evra in a hostile context, and the hostility can reasonably be inferred from the video images. Why do you ignore this? You're so desperate to defend Suarez that you are incapable of being objective.
ReplyDeleteThe colour of my hair is different than the colour of my skin. Thats if im not bold!! And my upbringing would not make me call someone a ginger so and so and If i did and the person was upset about it I certainly wouldn`t repeat it, It would be easy for me to apologise and move on,but I guess birds of a feather flock together.
ReplyDeleteWhy would you have to bring colour into the abuse? Maybe its something from you past subconsciously. That is the question I think you should ask. Or is your vocaboly in english that limited? I think you need to be more understanding on the topic of racism because if everyone thought like you then our next generation have no hope,
I am more English than you....!!! What are you ten years old....that's school yard stuff....seriously...is this what it's boiling down to...!!! So what if they were in England...!!! As I have said before...when you go on holidays do you start acting like the natives...!!! When in certain parts of Asia do you start hiring under age children as your slaves...!!! In certain parts of Africa...would you start castrating women...just because it's the done thing...!!! When in your house abide by our rules...or else...!!! What was it that Suarez did that was so wrong....???
ReplyDeleteI live in hope.
ReplyDeleteWow, this must be the dumevrasforkedtonguebest statement ever!! You say you're BLACK but if someone callsrichard13@s you negro you would hit them? It means the same thing in Spanish!? Why are you all so prejudice against us Latins?
ReplyDeleteIagree lol. And the french with cantana.....
ReplyDeleteand the italians with di canio lol
Yes I am being sarcastic.
I suppose the same with brazil? lol
Germany yes, argentina yes but disagree on other countries.
If I go to spain and live there ill condone it. In england you speak english. Nothing personnel. Like I said when in Rome behave like the romans. Embrace the english culture in england.....not the spanish one.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you on....??? Upset....who is getting upset...Evra only got upset when Suarez tried to pat him on the head...!!! The Spanish speaking Goalie never heard a word...yet it was supposedly stated ten times....rubbish....!!! Fact of the matter is when you are on a football pitch you will slag off the opposition in the heat of the battle...nothing is meant by it....It's been proven by several people that includes Gus Poyet...who has a hell of a lot more to lose than anyone by voicing his opinion on the matter...yet you know best....!!! Guess what....in the Phillipines I reckon they have a cultural aspect we wouldn't agree with....as they probably do in Cambodia....as they probably do in Finland....but I certainly wouldn't be getting all high and mighty and telling them their culture is wrong and mine is right....You sound like a Religous preacher....my religion is right and yours is wrong...!!! Sorry buddy...no-one has that right...!!! By the way....go check Martin Luthers I have a dream speech....the leader of the Black Freedom fighters....he uses the word negro more times than you have had hot dinners....the racist so and so...!!!
ReplyDeletePs...it's illegal to drink alcohol in the street here too....!!!
ReplyDeleteNow Who is being childish. When I am in france I try to speak french.
ReplyDeleteYour comments do not add up. It is like saying when I come to england do I rob banks. You talk about minority of people instead of majority of people to prove your argument, hence your reasoning is flawed.
As for what Suarez did. Im not a parrot. Suggest you read it up mate.
and no I don`t kill people in my house lol
Jamie, that could very well be your best ever article. I really enjoyed it, I had tears of laughter running down my face. But more importantly I agree with the overall point you make. However, I am still a big fan of Suarez.
ReplyDeleteHow about maybe you start to respect other cultures....!!! Just because your on a different piece of land doesn't make absolutely any difference....!!! Learn to respect others....and their cultures...you don't always know best...!!! This is my country rubbish....that is why there is a lot of disdain shown towards the English abroad....putting themselves up on a pedestal....!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/2011/12/26/is-luis-suarez-a-racist/
ReplyDeleteScroll down and look at the flag being held up by the Argentinian NATIONAL football team....!!! What a bunch of racists....!!!
yr missing the point or would you like me to modify or simplify it for you to suit the conditions.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I should of said public place. For that I do apologise.
Like in a football staduim lol
Not wanting to rock the racist boat in any way but didnt Evra refer to Suarez as a "South American" in a hostile manner (plus various swear words too)....I was under the impression that any reference to ethnicity, Nationality, colour, sexuality, religious beliefs....etc.......was misconduct under the F.A.'s rules. Suarez was wrong in using ethnicity in his argument with Evra, however way he meant it, but shouldn't Evra have been done as well. Plus you had the farce of him dodging the handshake and the silly dancing when he finally got a win over us (on the 2nd attempt) doing his utmost to get a rise from Louis (who on that occasion acted impeccably). Evra for me got off lightly....Suarez got used as a precedent. I do wish it would all go away now as it does seem to keep getting brought up and Liverpool as a club are never made to look any better by the press for it.
ReplyDeleteJust dye your hair.
ReplyDeleteWhy be a sarcastic fool? You regurgitate bs all the time, why don't you write some insightful stuff for a change and then people may respect you!
ReplyDelete100% agree. some sense being spoke at last.
ReplyDelete'By the way'.....King was black.
ReplyDeleteApparently so.
ReplyDeleteEnough is enough.
ReplyDeleteWish Suarez and his cheerleaders back in Uruguay would shut up and let it lie.
Anyhoo, now moving onto his overrated finishing and his odious behaviour on the pitch...... ;)
But King was black.
ReplyDelete---
Great neutral person you chose in Poyet there(!)
Sorry but you can only force your culture on me in your country. I do respect other cultures alot more than you can imagine. However I have a right to like or accept what I will be called in this country. That is mine and every bodys right. So please try not to impose your spanish culture on me till im on holidays or maybe if I mix with close spanish friends. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteSo when in Africa kill people with machetes?
ReplyDeleteNo I'm not missing the point....!!! The FA think they can change a persons culture by making a point...!!! It's completely irrelevant that what Suarez said has no hatred in it in his country....but the fact he said it here....still in his native tongue...it means something completely different...!!! Please....do me a favour....You know why Arsenal a few years back had to change their sponsors on their away jersey from from Sega to Dreamcast.....because in Italy Sega ain't such a nice word....but if I was on Holiday and asked an Italian would he like to come back and play with my Sega....should I be hung drawn and quartered for it....!!! Sorry....you sir seemed to have completely missed the point....not me...!!!
ReplyDeleteHow about John Terry, Big boyz get away and rest are made example of having governing bodies
ReplyDeleteAn old one I know, but some of us need reminding
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwLkCRziD8
What has what Argentina do, got to do with what happens in the English league?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely not..
ReplyDeleteIslam has been targetted to have bad image in the eye of not muslims.
Islam has gave women their rights.
before Islam women was treated horribly!!
I'm a Muslim, and I have learnt from my religion that I have to treat women with respect!
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For Suarez, I do agree that he was misjudged, and that the media has made of it a big deal.
and if we compare between Suarez and JT's situations, you will absolutely find that JT is guilty with racial abuse!
By the way, Aquilani is apparently off to Fiorentina. Presumably to replace Montolivo, now at Milan. So much for the comments the other day and his pre-season form (the most competitive period in the year(!)).
ReplyDeleteSo if I said you were acting very gay...you would get insulted by it(if you were hetrosexual for that matter) rather than actually ask me what I meant by that....which could of been that I was saying you were acting very merry...!!! The old gay and merry term...!!! You have the right to like or accept what you are being called in not only this country but any country in the world....no one is denying you that right at all....but certainly you should have the respect to try and understand if the person is actually trying to insult you in the first place....several things could mean several different things than you may imagine...so maybe you souldn't jump the gun so quick...!!! Try and be a little bit more understanding....it's not hard....!!! Go walk a mile in another mans shoes before judging him....!!!
ReplyDeleteIts not about imposing our culture on you. Their conversation took place in Spanish. So why would you claim the English meaning of the word?
ReplyDeleteWhat's your point...King was black...So what...He describes black people as negro's....so only black people can call black people n***ers and negros now is it...!!! Please someone draw up a rule book...soon we will have to refer to a black person by the colour of their eyes...!!! Which guy is Leroy....??? You see the guy over there...with the green eyes....the one wearing the jeans and white t-shirt...like the rest of them....the 6 foot 3 guy with the size 8 shoes....!!! How more ridiculous is this going to get....!!!
ReplyDeleteIf you don't know, you shouldn't be commenting really...!!!
ReplyDelete'so only black can call black people n***ers and negros now is it...!!!'
ReplyDeleteNo, not just 'now', but for a long time its been like that. You been living in a hole I take it.
I take it that equals to 'I don't know how to explain my way out of this one, so I'll just say something impotent insult that belongs in a school playground'
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should stop your silly immature use of exclamation marks, that might help in toning it down.
ReplyDeletehow many times are we going to go throw this whole saga???????? why can't we move on from it, so what if Suarez or this guy brought it up again it doesn't need the headlines the games been tarnished enough this past year move on from the sorry episode the punishments have been handed out nothings going to be changed
ReplyDeleteLol...Seriously...You do even understand what Suarez said...!!! Try go learning about the Uruguayan culture before casting someone a racist...!!! And the exclamation marks are my shock at how uneducated some people can be...!!!
ReplyDeleteAll I said was 'Just dye your hair' and you go into a irrelevant rant that has nothing to do with ginger hair. How educating(!)
ReplyDeleteIf you are going to reply to my post about your ginger hair, please keep it about your ginger hair. Thanks. :)
Lol...No not at all....seems you sir should be in school yard...!!! The reason it is relevant is basically..it's not relevant what Suarez said...but actually trying to understand what he said and what it means....quite clearly as proven the word negro in South America is not an insulting term....the fact it was used in England makes absolutely no difference....what matters is..1) who said it and 2) The context it was used in...Therefore nullifying the complete hogwash that every little pc and little englander excuse that has been used. The Fact remains in South America Negro is quite clearly an insulting term....Suarez is South American...secondly he used the term towards an opposition footballer...who was black....does that make it racial....no...only if he meant it to be racial....but if he meant that...you would think at least he would of made certain there would be no mix up and would of clearly just called him a black whatever....or a n***er...but he didn't now did he....!!! But the whole PC brigade jumped out from behind their pc fence....hey the term he used refers to his colour....he must of being racist....!!! Sorry...don't buy it...grow up...and grow some thicker skin....!!! Were you never taught sticks and stones...(not that it matters because Suarez wasn't been insulting....just because you want him to be)...!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't care how it means in Uruguay, Argentina, etc, I care it what it potentially could mean in England (It does make a difference as to what country it is in, as each country is different). That is doubt alone is enough for the flak he got as he isn't in Uruguay, Argentina, he is in England. Tough luck, if he didn't know. Secondly, it is childish to refer to someone's colour in those circumstances, offensively or inoffensively, as what has that got to do with the game of football. There was no call for it.
ReplyDeleteHe isn't in Argentina, hence I found your use of the Argentina tribute irrelevant.
I'll leave it there as I've made my point and no doubt you have yours for the millionth time '...!!'
What I dont understand is why a smug, sarcastic United loving clown is doing writing for a Liverpool paper? Get a life Jamie, go use your awful journalism "skills" writing about United.
ReplyDeleteI am a mixed race Liverpool fan and as a fan I would always lean towards Suarez. Club loyality is something every true fan would do regardless because thats loyalit and I have seen nothing that sugests Suarez is raciest but cultrally ill informed.
ReplyDeleteI'm Uruguayan and if you call me a Sudaka or Sudamericano to my face I'd land you one as well...
ReplyDeleteWhat you are suggesting is people should except injustice and let those responsible go on destroying the game,shame on you.
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of rubbish. True cultural tolerance means accepting ppl for what they are wherever they are. The 'when in my country do exactly as I do' line is as racist as anything I have ever heard. Yes, foreigners need to respect the customs of the country they are in but they dont need to completely lose their own identity. Of course I could make the observation that the English have a reputation for doing as they do, wherever they are, without respect for the countries they are in, treating the whole of europe like a Greek island holiday resort and are universally despised for doing so, but we wont go there.
ReplyDeleteI can't see how Negro is a racist word. South Americans are not racist people in general. It is just as how people call Westerners, white man and Chinese, yellow man and etc etc. Is this racism? I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteIts quite absurd that in the US, the black people are now referred to as Afro Americans. It is just semantics. Previously, we call them Negro and other terms and my black friends accepts it. Same as in war, when innocent people were killed by stray smart bombs, they call this "co-lateral damages" (what a nice term). They should just say, "Shit, we made a mistake. A stray bomb killed them". And in football, when we should term it "diving" or "cheating", FIFA chose to call it "simulation" (again what a nice term ;takes the severity out of the offence).
The English FA handled the Suarez case wrongly. It is just a case of your words against mine. The maxim "innocent unless proven beyond reasonable doubt" should apply. And look at the John Terry case. He was acquitted by the courts but lets see how the FA handles this. I think the Terry's case is the more serious one than Suarez as it warranted it to be hauled to the courts.
I respect that your black ...
ReplyDeleteBUT .. You have to respect the language of the world too ...
Countries have there words and there mannerisms ...
Suerez isn't that stupid to put himself in the limelight of racism ....
If he DID ... Why didn't the racism board take him to court like they promised ...
This has turned to be a circus ...
I'm of European decent aka wog ....
Ha! Jamie's write-up was taking pot-shots at both Suarez and Ramos. Thick with sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I believe Suarez was the victim in the whole saga. The FA is also run by hypocrites
If referring to Evra as "black" is the equivalent of referring to Scholes as "ginge" or De Gea as "Lurch" then yes, context is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteHe's a Uruguayan talking in Spanish not an Englishman talking in English.
I believe the reopening of this by Luis Suarez is mainly to put more pressure on the FA to punish John Terry equally as hard as the did him.
ReplyDeleteGreat person bite others players??? Great footballer used hand to play football??? That Uruguayan what a disgrace country.
ReplyDeleteAh Jaimie, you have exposed the real reason why you posted this ridiculous attack on Suarez AGAIN. You pretend to be objective, and agree with the Journo, but underneath the truth is, you have a bee in your bonnet about Suarez, because of this incident. Incidently, he used the word, Negrito, as many Portuguese, and Spanish speakers do. For example copy and paste the link below.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9315789/Liverpools-Dani-Pacheco-defends-negrito-tweet-to-Glen-Johnson-in-bid-to-curb-potential-race-row.html
To the author
ReplyDeleteU are a fucking cunt and a bloody disgrace to the fan base of Liverpool football club.
pagons allways talk pure shite!!!!!
ReplyDeleteconfused south americans! that think there white lol! call me negro and see what u get honkey,hill billy,pagon an wateva ur called! gringos
ReplyDeleteThis link should shed some light to the issue. The FA(rce) crucified Suarez for being a foreigner. "make an example" out of him as the saying goes. We will anticipate in earnest as to what actions will be taken against JT.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/negro
You are a racist yourself. You just called a whole nation a disgrace. shame on you.
ReplyDeleteif you believe that a man that has black parent or black grand parent can ever be a racist against black people then you are an idiot, and if you still cannot understand that fergie has so big power in english football then you live in a dreamland :)
ReplyDeleteThis is a planted game by bloody frugson to demoralise liverpool's best player in order to stop their progress. Prejudice British Media played a major role. They show their double standard while dealing with terry. Every one knows British are racisist and racisim is in their blood that's why the continued support South Africa until last.
ReplyDeletewhat is so wrong with reference to skin colour? check incitement to racial hatred you numptie. Suarez is a disgrace to liverpool Fc.And i cant believe your piss poor argument, in defence of a rascist slur
ReplyDeleteSuarez was totally innocent of racism and his words were not meant as an insult. And what about the insults that Evra made to him, calling his sister a, use of the c word. Evra admitted when questioned that Suarez did not say anything racist and that he had insulted him and his family. It is no wonder Suarez was angry. He was not found guilty of anything. You cannot be charged by a tribunal of anything. You cannot be found guilty of anything outside of a court of law. The FA tribunal is not a court. All they said was that he may have said some things that could be taken as insults and a reference to another person's skin colour. So what? It was not racism and he was not found guilty of racism. He would have had a fairer trial in the courts in any event and been cleared. Ironically, had he just thumped Evra he would have only got a three match ban. Suarez has every right to speak his mind now that time has passed and now he can get on with life. In fact when he tried to get on with things a couple of weeks later he was not allowed as the actions of Evra at the United game proved. The media circus of that forced hand-shake was totally out of order. The comments of both managers were out of order and the hand shake should have been cancelled. He is not a baby; he is someone who was wrongly accused of something that he did not do and he wanted to say something to clear his name. I know what it is like to go through that as I fought for five years to get a court decision reversed for something that I had not done; so I am with him every step of the way. Until you have been in a similar situation; you have no idea what he went through. It was discrimination and it was loaded against him.
ReplyDeleteJaimie, You little fuck. haven't u ridiculed yourself enough? Now you're using sarcasm to look smart? Your place belongs in a Psychiatric ward
ReplyDeleteWhat a ridiculous article, opening old wounds for sure. In the FA's defence they have a zero tolerance level when it comes to racism, therefore whether a player uses the N word or a a variety of racist insults they have broken the law. This is football law, and these "professional" footballers are aware of it, they get paid money beyond belief to do a job without breaking football laws and if they cant do that then they deserve to be punished for a red card, going AWOL and using racist language!!
ReplyDeleteJaimie - I presume like most of us, you have read these pieces on the independent "bias-in-media" Newsframes site: http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/media-on-racism-churnalism/
ReplyDeletehttps://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/media-on-racism-framing/
If so, I would like to hear your response them - as you clearly have a strong opinion that counters their stance (even if you only ever appear to voice it through the use of sarcasm or a vitriolic, distorted moral high-horse).
I am yet to hear a logical, rational or intellectually substantial argument to match that of the above site on this matter.
I will be interested to hear whether you rise to the challenge or whether you run away screaming the same tired and morally confused arguments as the Guardian, Telegraph et al.
Thanks
At the end of the day the FA are stupid and one day all LFC fans will be at the headquarters of the FA unless a apology is made to Suarez as he is one of the one of the most exciting players to watch bet gets booed all the time for doing nothing wrong
ReplyDeleteJust what exactly am i calling England. England is the most beautiful country in the world. My wife is ENGLISH and my kids were born there. The point I was trying to make is that political correctness in England is gone mad. U can't say this, u can't say that. That's all. As for Suarez saying the word more often than JT. Yr WRONG mate. Suarez called him Negro witch is black in Spanish. Something Evra is. U can't call him white cos his black. JT called A Ferdinand Fucking BC. That's big difference. If Suarez got 8 match ban calling him black something he is than JT should get 16 match ban cos his offence is far worse than Suarez's.
ReplyDeleteWhy would you need a 'poll' anyway? Just look at the way the media reported the incident in any of the South American countries and find me one piece that is critical of Suarez or the word he used. The only criticism has been directed towards the British media and the FA.
ReplyDeletehe didn't admit what he was found guilty of, he only admitted speaking Spanish..the context in which he said and admitted to what he said was backed up by the 'linguistic' experts brought in to assess and give opinion. He was found guilty of something Evra claimed, he had said, no evidence, video, audio or witnesses.
ReplyDeleteIf you notice there is no reply button beneath the comment above that, so I had no option but to reply to comment below that. And you state as well that I should dye my hair....why should I dye my hair....just because of some ignorant twats.
ReplyDeleteIf you call my sister a slut I'll put my fist through your head.... does that make it right as well... 2 (reported) wrongs don't make anyone right. Insults are insults, despicable overpaid twits and an adoring fan-base aside...
ReplyDeleteEmbrace the culture? You mean by putting pressure on a local council to build a huge mosque when the vast majority of residents would prefer a swimming pool?
ReplyDeleteI believe the re-opening of this is because the media machine is geared to search for key words,' football racist row' etc was placed on a higher search to find articles that may be of interest, 'because of the JT case', to readers. Suarez had given plenty of interviews on the subject saying exactly the same thing over the last few months, so why was this one any different?
ReplyDeleteWhen was this "proven"??? Suarez admitted to saying negro once. And he didn't add "fncking" or "cnut" to his comments, either.......
ReplyDeleteYou don't care what it means in South America...So you are just going to be completely ignorant towards a whole culture just because it doesn't suit you. Get the chip off your shoulder, it's a sad say when you get offended by something that you have to construe the meaning of to suit your argument, it completely stinks of bitterness. " I will get offended if I want about something that was not intended to be offending, but can be if I accept it to be different to the way it was intended to be accepted." If you can't see that absolute stupidity in that, then maybe the sad bitters who think Suarez was being racial should get a life.
ReplyDeletewas it 'sarcastic'?
ReplyDelete(sorry couldn't resist)
but the rest of your statement i agree with, the FA made a mess of the entire thing
Fantastic work, Ed. Moderate the only person who is actually talking sense on here....
ReplyDeleteTell that to everyone in the garage next to the Sandon..........
ReplyDeleteBut the "hostility" appears to have been solely from Evra.....
ReplyDeleteWhat are you on about? I removed personal insults directed at anotuer poster. Are they relevant to the argument being made? Should I have left them in?!
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Look up the meaning of the word 'irony', then come back and read the article again.
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I think the REAL TRUTH will only tell when both player RETIRED...
ReplyDeleteSuarez is having a terrible time in London. Whenever he touches the ball, he's being booed by supporters in the stadium. After all Suarez is a human being and whatever he did in the past are worth being forgiven. I pray for Suarez that he control his emotions and temper when he play for Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteWell I was at Wembley yesterday and the amount of people who were booing Suarez was disgraceful. The mistake was made by the LFC board, they did not challenge this in court like Terry did. Suarez was left to hang dry the only people who supported him were Kenny and his team.
ReplyDeleteThe worst think is the man is NOT a racist, even Evra said that and to top it all his own Grandfather is BLACK what more do proof do people need to see this whole thing is farce that has been initiated by Ferguson and the FA (which he probably has in his pocket)
I sent a link explaining the word negro. Why was my post removed. It was not offensive. It just defines the word.
ReplyDeleteOne of if not the most retarded thing I've ever read. It's ok to call someone a nigger in an argument because your merely stating the obvious..... Load of Shit. You scouse bin dipping cunts make me laugh. Sorry if I offended anyone just merely stating the obvious :)
ReplyDeleteFergies Association. nuff said
ReplyDeleteWhat is the point of the article?
ReplyDeleteAnd he bites again
ReplyDeleteColiemac: Wow, you have to be one of most oddest people when it comes to having hypocritical and fluctuating standards/principle in your posts. One minute you are ignorant of the word 'n***ers' and the next minute you go onto have a go at someone for allegedly being ignorant of a culture. That is just one example of your wishy-washy points on this threads, full of double standards and hypocrisy as well as generalizing races of people in a offensive manner. Talk about scoring an own goal, you have scored aplenty here with your hypocrisy. The idiocy is bemusing.
ReplyDeleteWhat's done is done and can't be undone. The FA position is that they will severely penalize any player who admits calling an opponent by a racial term whether he has racist intent or not. This can lead to injustice as in the Suarez/Evra case, but leaves no doubt that FA will punish anyone admitting they used a racial term.
ReplyDeleteAh yes, Suarez the angel(!)
ReplyDeleteAh yes, the Darth Fergus and his far-reaching powers(!)
ReplyDeleteHope Terry gets done.
ReplyDeleteLets get perspective, the Slave trade was a world wide tragedy, perpetuated by Arabs, Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, British and Americans. Few countries can hold their head up when it comes to the matter of slavery. For many countries it was considered a right, spoils of war. To be honest man has dominated man to their injury since the dawn of civilisation.
ReplyDeleteFor me the biggest injustice is that reference skin colour in heated discussion is considered worse that reference to a person's ethnicity. That it was wrong for Suarez to use the phrase "negrito" but not wrong for Evra to use the phrase "spanish" in a derogatory manner. In both cases the argument can be made that the use of the word somehow diminishes the person being addressed. Both are racially phrased statements, and should be judged equally.
I am tired of inequality but it has to work both ways, everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions, not just the easy targets. then perhaps we can all man up and stop throwing insults that are only designed to diminish another to thus elevate ourselves.
If you read it again, you will see he is not actually defending Luis Suarez, in fact, the opposite. "Paragon of virtue", among other things in this article is said in what could be considered as either tongue in cheek or disrespect.
ReplyDeleteQuite obviously Irony and Sarcasim is completely wasted on you....there is a huge difference can I say between calling some a n***er and then calling them a Neegro which the term in which it is meant is seen as an affectionate term. My principles and standards are simple...don't take offence to something if it was not intended to be offensive...and certainly don't go around construing things to the way you want them to be just so you can pull out the old race card bull. There has been absolutely no hypocricy in that regard. Its quite simple you are either making a racist comment or you not...taking something out of context and making up your run of events and what means is pathetic and is exactly what has happened here. At no point have I ever agreed with making racial comments so where you get off stating my principles fluctuate and are hypocritical is a load of rubbish...now where is my dinner(sarcasim btw and a joke just in case you read into it too literally.)
ReplyDeleteWhen Suarez scored in the FA Cup semi-final against the Toffees, did you cheer Jaimie?
ReplyDeleteIt's got nowt to do with desperation to defend Suarez mate - on the contrary, it's got everything to do with your desperation to condemn him.
ReplyDeleteBlack Humor at it's best Jaimie! Pun Unintended!
ReplyDeleteAs a liverpool fan i think this situation is very annoying people bo suarez for no reason when people shouldnt judge what happened like booing or anything like that because they wernt there when it happened. The only people who know what happened are Luis suarez and Patrice Evra but still suarez did make it clear that he didnt say anything racist. All he said was negro but i wouldnt find that racist. Why cant people move on ?
ReplyDeleteTalking sense? On one hand, he is ignorant of the word 'n***ers' yet on the other, he has a go at others for being ignorant of Suarez's culture. If he is the ONLY ONE 'talking sense' on a thread where you have also contributed, maybe you are not such a wise and impartial judge on who is 'talking sense'.
ReplyDeleteLike you are showing your respect, with your ignorance of the word 'n**gers'.
ReplyDeleteJK... so your nothing more than a racist keyboard warrior then? You ask what is wrong with making reference to another person's skin colour in an atmosphere of hostility... its called being racist you plop.
ReplyDeleteWhether its Suarez, Terry or whoever there can never be any excuse for it. Don't act like a prat. This issue has been and gone. Regurgitating it in the hope that you'll gain momentum from BNP and NF affiliates (or meaningless and pathetic racists like yourself) is simply sad.
Rise to the challenge?
ReplyDeleteI defended Suarez in more detail and at greater length than any other site/news provider on the planet. Some examples:Unproven Character killing 'facts' - Why Suarez must appealhttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01/fa-report-unproven-character-killing.htmlHow the FA Withheld vital Evra evidence from LFChttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01/exclusive-how-fa-withheld-vital-evra.htmlSuarez-Evra hearing: Potential bias and the Man United connectionhttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/exclusive-suarez-evra-hearing-potential.htmlWhy LFC are to blame if Suarez is labelled racisthttp://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/suarez-why-its-liverpool-fcs-fault-if.html
It doesn't take long before this phoney b******, kanwar's ,mask slips and the man U fan pops up.
ReplyDeleteOh now, its sarcasm eh. Sure it was(!) How convenient. One minute it means this, it means that, than something else, so on and so on. There you go moving around the goal posts like musical chairs. The hypocrisy and fluctuating standards you air make a mockery of your posts. I tire of your silly immature goal-posts changing, so I am done with you and your rubbish.
ReplyDeleteOf course, context matters. Two players having a heated exchange and we're expected to believe straight-away that it was said in a affectionate and inoffensive manner because in a another country it could mean something inoffensive? That is simply an naive excuse for ignorance, on behalf of the person who said it.By the way its not 'sarcasim', its sarcasm. First learn to how to say it, before learning how to use it, you have have shown deficiencies in both.
Good point there coliemac. You know what. Some of my black friends use the term "n***ers" freely in their sentences without referring to anybody. Like sometimes we would say things like "no, that can't be true". Its quite natural for them to slot in the "N" word into sentences like these. So, i think sometimes people are getting overly sensitive over every little things being said. People should just loosen up and relax. Very soon we will not know what to call people of African origin if we can't use terms like negro, black people and god knows what.
ReplyDeleteYou're making a fool of yourself. You clearly don't get the article.
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This whole incident was arguably down to a person's perception. Whenever "racism" is involved it is either one person that is taking it too seriously and the other person taking it as a joke. Just like it was down to Suarez's word vs Evra's word. I guarantee that if it was a panel of young officials from this generation they would have put this case as inconclusive. The old fogies of football come from a time where racism was abundant, feeling guilty of their pasts and trying to stamp on those feelings, yet, there is still a case of cultural discrimination. Why is it that Terry, english born, doesn't get all the hype around racism, yet Suarez was scrutinized day after day by pundits all over the country. The FA panel's views are not relating to how the world has changed. I mean there are high school kids out there listening to rap music with the N word going off every few seconds. And if you read what Suarez said to Evra, how much off a childish banter is that. Evra blew a fuse out of insecurity. Should have been dealt with behind closed doors man to man, and misunderstandings would have been understood.
ReplyDeleteHa ha.. I think someone needs to cool the old jets down a little. I'll make note of the date. No goalposts have been moved by myself, just because of your failure to understand the meaning of my posts don't get your knickers in a twist...seems like you could do with joining Mr Evra in language barrier training session...!!! And just a question for you...two players having a heated exchange....really is that so....at no stage did Suarez raise his voice...so much so, the keeper who was less than two yards away couldn't hear a word....and in that other country it's not a case of it maybe being inoffensive...in that other country it is without doubt inoffensive...so if you want to come on here lecturing about what is right and what is wrong, at least educate yourself to understanding the full story, rather than grasping just part of it. But at least you can be safe in the knowledge of how to spell sarcasm...!!! Pat on the back to you.
ReplyDeleteNot being funny mate but Evra started talking to Suarez in Spanish, not his native tongue or the tongue of the country they both live in, so if you are talking about when in Rome, surely the point is that if you start a conversation in Spanish, then you would expect the correct word to be spoken back to you. I can agree if Evra had started talking in English your point would be valid, but by starting the conversation in Spanish then you have actually proved the reverse. It is OK for Evra to be extremely rude about Suarez sister, something which is totally unacceptable in the UK or Spain or France, but is an acceptable reference in South America. So the court accepted that it was acceptable for Evra to say this in that context, but then changed their minds as to acceptability when Suarez referred to the colour of Evra's skin, something again that his own team mates had referred to. So it acceptable if your friend call you black but not someone you play a game with.
ReplyDeleteAs for Terry, I suspect the FA will question the use of the word C**t more than being concerned as to whether he said Black or Blind.
Only one person seems to be coming on here and lecturing people left, right and centre about right and wrong with an arrogant, insulting, ignorant, sexist hypocritical and aggressive manner and that is you (thought I'd make it clear it was you as you seem to have a thing for pointing things out). You really are a piece of work (I mean that in the negative sense).
ReplyDeleteFunny that coming from someone who is acting like they know everything and says it in a arrogant manner. You sound more like the stereotypical little Englander than anyone else and that is funny considering some of your comments about England. Now that is irony, Mr Ego.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile - Suarez is booed by many 'home' fans at Wembley yesterday, despite serving his punishment, despite not being racist (according to Evra).
ReplyDeleteUtterly predictable and utterly as horrible.
No im not, the time to complain or appeal the decision has long gone the club should have taken the matter to court where he would have been cleared, LFC didn't deal with the matter in the correct way. Im whole hearted in Suarez's corner i hate Evra and the FA but what happend has happend now the punishment has been handed out and been served by Suarez, what is the point in keep going back to the same issue when nothings going to come from it? The best thing Suarez can do to clean up his name is to perform and do his talking on the pitch, and build his reputation back up. The clubs name is being tarnished everytime he keeps bringing this back up and we cannot let that happen.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest that before expecting the FA to prove the
ReplyDeletecase against Terry it is worth reading the full ruling in the Suarez case in
particular its conclusions, the reasons behind then, the view the commission
came to in terms of Suarez as both a witness and a person also the evidence
given by others and that includes Dalglish.Also think about Suarez’s admission
that he pinched Evra.
Many say that there was no evidence in the Suarez case well
quite simply they believed Evras account. Anton Ferdinand stated in court that
he heard nothing I find it hard to believe they will rely on video evidence. Also
take note that whilst the burden of proof is balance of probability the commission
says that the level of evidence required is much higher as the case was deemed serious.
It will be interesting to see what evidence the FA have that the CPS didn’t.
Then read the court ruling in the Terry case. Read what the Judge
says in terms of Terry’s account, how unlike Suarez, Terry’s story never really
changed also there was no complaint from the alleged abused player nor was
anyone able to confirm or deny the context of the comment and also the
revelation that Ferdinand was sort of caught out as to his comments to Terry prior
to the infamous incident. Ferdinand had to change his story that he hadn’t said
anything to Terry
If, and that’s a big if, the case is proved against Terry it
is worth again referring back to the Suarez ruling where it is suggested that
had he used the word just once (not the
5 times they ruled he had said the deemed racist word) his ban would not
have been 8 games but probably have more like 4 games.
Finally there is one other key part and that is the
individuals who sit on the commission will be hard pressed to not have been
influenced by things they have already read and that’s something that again
featured in the Suarez hearing where the 3 man commission had to deal with a newspaper
report which could have influenced matters.
So you're embarrassed to be black? I'm white and if somebody called me white I'd say yeah, most of the time but I do tan easily.
ReplyDeleteThe only racist people I know are non-whites. I have an Pakistani mate who hates Indians and blacks. I worked with a black lad who hated Asians.
The UK is the most liberal country in Europe. Don't piss on
my shoes and tell me it's raining.
The borderless world has made countries more diverse culturally. In its diversity, there is bound to be misunderstanding. Yet can we become the moral police in saying what is right in one's language is wrong in another? Using a man's/woman's colour or hair colour to describe a person is something that has been used since time immemorial, regardless which country you are in/from.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Suarez/Evra incident, it was essentially a case of the media trying to be seen as the moral police and for the authorities to have someone as the scape goat to show that they are doing something. Suarez was already crucified before he even stood "trial". In my humble opinion, this was a trial by the media and the FA had to pacify them. The saying, "Innocent until proven guilty", no longer holds true. Your innocence depends on the judge/jury panel/board of enquiry;whether they remain impartial or for political mileage decides to be swayed by the media. And as for us, we are just the minions used by the media to stoke emotions and cause further fragmentations in the society.This is the same in every country. Take away the skin colour, the media and the
judge/jury panel/board of enquiry are no different. Negative news sells and political mileage counts.
Why is it that people have to refer to other peoples colour when it comes to football there are a multitude of other things that he could of called him why does race and skin colour have to come into it?? I'll tell you why because they think that its the most abusive comment to make to someone thats not white. Where as most non-white people would rather call someone a c**t to inflict abuse on someone thats white!!! How many reports have there been of white players complaining of racial abuse during games???? You know why cos it doesn't happen!!!
ReplyDeleteAlways was a difficult one to call ... Both players from different cultures and both using words to insult in the heat of a competitive moment.
ReplyDeleteUltimately too much time has been given to this matter and I fear if Suarez continues to raise this matter he will talk himself into a move.
Time for Luis Suarez to do his talking on the pitch via his footballing abilities as his diplomatic skills seem to not be his greatest strength :)
I guess that was my point, Jen......
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I love your country, mate!
ReplyDeleteYou may mock, Jenny, but the day Ferguson pops his clogs, there will be that many stories coming out that won't exactly show him in the best of lights.
ReplyDeleteRoy Keane hates the bloke because he was instructed to cripple fellow pros. The same tactics were used at Aberdeen where Taggart would instruct players that if someone with any ounce of class (let's say Paul McStay) re-appeared for the 2nd half, then whoever was supposed to be marking him would not play the following week and lose any win bonus. [I obviously hasten to add : ALLEGEDLY].
Alex Ferguson: Fantastic manager. Shit human being.
I think you hit the nail on the head there, Gaz - "Man to man"........
ReplyDeleteClearly Evra [and United] did not want this sorted behind closed doors.
You are a mesmerisingly massive, muppet. And I say that without hyperbole (maybe a tad of alliteration though).
ReplyDeleteIf that odious creature Ferdinand doesn't get an eight match ban for his 'choc ice' comment, then I would consider that there was discrimination !
ReplyDeleteI am going to add my tupenth worth here, As people we have many dislikes some perfectly acceptable for example I dislike you because your a southener or because you support man u and I am free to verbalise these dislikes despite such divisions many times spilling into violence, now however if I abuse you because of your colour you do not simply call me ingnorant and tell me to p*ss off, you will be cut to the bone, you must call the police to remedy this great offence and put the world back on its axis. I mean come on ive lost count of the times ive heard you thieving scouse b*stard, so what did I make of it well my conclusion was he didnt like scousers, did it ruin my life, my day.. no I didnt even ring the police. I repect all colours and cultures, but do I get upset because people dislike each other for stupid reason or if they dislike me for stupid reasons, NO. Get over it, I mean really Get Over It. and maybe we can turn our attention to women getting raped, innocents getting killed and our kids actually getting educated.
ReplyDeleteWhere did Roy Keane say he was told to 'cripple' other players and for this reason, he hates Ferguson?
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know from what I have read, he hates Ferguson for the way he was treated in the last days at the club over the club TV interview he did (which led to the club issuing a threatening legal letter to Keane, which made him even more angry), as well as Ferguson not backing him against Queiroz over a few incidents. Keane said this himself in a interview (liked what he said about the racehorse thing and how it was a precursor for the Glazers. Serves the Mancs right!). He hates Ferguson but I haven't read anything yet that substantiates what you said (Though feel free to back it up) and its not as if Keane is the type of player that needed encouragement to go after people. He went after Haaland, because of his own precious ego, no one else's. That alone illustrates he was more than capable of being a cunt on the pitch himself
I didn't watch Aberdeen, so I wouldn't know nor would I able to agree/disagree with you on that point.
Coliemac: Pity that JK had to moderate your post and remove the remark that illustrates what a sexist pig you are.
ReplyDeleteHe'll probably get a fine, like the other footballers got who made homophobic/sexist remarks on twitter. I think one of them plays/ed for Newcastle and the other Walsall. Be interesting the Manure backlash if he ends up get a ban though!
ReplyDeleteIf Suarez was in the wrong for using the word Negro meaning
ReplyDeleteblack and got an 8 match ban JT should be real worried if the FA deal with him
based on the use of the word black! Now saying this how would a Policeman describe
a black man if he was running away on foot, or a member of public gave a description
of the same person? would the police arrest me if i said " Officer i saw a
6ft2 black man with blue jeans and red t-shirt going that way officer"
would i then be arrested for the use of the word black? or if the word "white
man 6ft2 with blue jeans and red t-shirt going that way officer" what's
the damn difference?
Was Cantona a great person? he made mistakes (which caused physical harm may I add). Did the United fans condemn him? What about Zola, was accised of being racist did the Chelsea fans condemn him No (probably because most of their fans were part of the NF mind but still). Maybe united fans should now condemn Ferdinand? No point in even going into detail with Terry.
ReplyDeleteWhy when it is clear that fans will support their players (especially when they think they have done nothing wrong) do people expect Liverpool fans to turn on their own player?
Also I think what Evra has got away with is disgraceful. An insult is an insult whether your black, white asian espanic or any other race. To say a comment about one persons race is worse tgan a comment about anothers race is in my opinion racist. I dont think.Suarez should have gotten off with what he said if he did in fact say it in a hostile context however I believe that Evra should have recieved an equal punishment at the very least its as simple as that!
Ok I'm late to this post but have read many of the comments regarding Saurez and the use of the word Negro ( I thought he admitted to saying negrito). some bloggers... Collimac/orignalchan sorry for spellings have stood firm in the defence of calling an african, negro. Ok we all not the histoty of Africans and the offence caused by the europeans so at this point if I'm englishshould I accept being called, black, negro, afro Caribbean/American? All names given to Africans by non Africans. If an English man calls me Negro/negrito I would be offended ur not Spanish and u know the history behind the word nigger and I'd feel thats what ur really implying. Call me black the in context then I'd accept thats as ur not causing offense unless ur jt! ;-). IF a Spanish guys calls me Negro/negrito id explain to him why that word cause offense to non African/Latin speaking people such as English. If the guy calls me this repeatedly then i knw he being racist. Now in a football match we I've caused a player about his family in his native language and then calls me Negro/negrito then I've kinda got to take it, I may think he's racist but im surr he tried to offended me likr i did him. But please all english people and Spanish people never call an african Negro/negrito unless hes Spanish, the historical factor out weighs the term of the word to non spanish people. I dont want to come on an english site and have to read people justifyin using them saaid words, we have enough named already and the free use of this word makr me think ur racists not accusing u of but think u maybe. In England we accept being called black as u do being called white. I dont knoe spanish for white but im sure ud prefer me to usr English to avoid any confusion. Peace. YNWA
ReplyDeletePls post my previous comment jk I wasn't trying to offend ny1
ReplyDeleteJust trying to explain why English people should try to refrain from using the word Negro to describe a an African. Black is appropriate.
ReplyDeleteHe used the word negro not negrito.
ReplyDeleteThanks mods, sorry about the spelling, etc I'm using a phone.
ReplyDeleteAgree with u fully, if people can find the time and energy to the Saurez race issue what are they doin about more serious and blatant race issues? Is it anti lfc just as much about racism. The amount of lfc related press stories over rhe yrs is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteMy main flaw with the FA ruling is "they" presumed the intent, even thought the experts said that Luis Suarez explanation was plausible.
ReplyDeleteIn a court of law, even though LS did admit to using language that did reference Evra ethnicity... LS would have been found not guilty on the sames grounds as JT. There is enough doubt around the issue.
But on the FA system, they decided that it was more likely LS was using harmful intent ? More than likely ! How do you justify that level of punishment on "more than likely" & "we believe"
How do you brand a man a racist ,and regardless of what you might think of LS, how do you brand him a racist because a panel feel it was the most likely scenario? Surely that in its self is racist, because LS came from an under privileged back ground, in a bad part of Uruguay he is deemed more likely to be accustomed to using racist language....i could not believe that when i read that.
The other problem i had was the fact that Evra's evidence was not used to incriminate him , yet LS testimony & statement was used against him? and repeatedly sited as grounds for the verdict.
Final issue is had was how on earth LFC's attorneys agreed to the balance of probabilities method in this case was absurd. They should of pushed for a higher level of evidence to be supplied.
Bottom line for me is that LS was wrong for using that term, but there was NOT enough evidence to prove he was using it in a derogatory manner.
FA should of fined both players and given them minor bans for improper conduct and steered clear of the racist backlash. In that way showing that that level of behavior on the pitch won't be tolerated. But unfortunately they went in the other direction of making an example out of Suarez with insufficient evidence.
I am not making excuses for LS, but i do understand his frustration, as the case against him lacked the evidence to brand any human-being a Racist.
By the way I am South African and have experienced the harsh realities of racism on a daily basis.
God, Jen. Your language is pretty ripe.....!
ReplyDeleteIf you read the report and surmise that Suarez changed his story then you need to learn how to read better. I read it and he never changed anything, he merely expanded on a few thoughts after being pressed on an a small issue that he was having trouble remembering from so many months before. No one can remember every little detail of something that happens 6 months before. It's funny that you mention the conclusions that the panel drew. They always agree that Suarez' account could be true but the always found a way to dispute it regardless of the facts. Yet, when Evra's inconsistencies are stated they are quickly explained in an irrational fashion.... i.e. Evra claims that Suarez says " por que tu eres Negro " after he asked why you kicked me. A Uruguayan or Argentine would never say that! They speak a different dialect of Spanish (Rio-Platense). He would have said " por que sos un negro ". Go back and read the panel's explanation for that, it's laughable!
ReplyDeleteI'd like to thank you for at least reading the FA report unlike most people that comment on the internet. I agree with most everything you stated here. As a Uruguayan-American, I can tell you that what LS admitted to is simply asking Evra a question translated "why little black guy" after Mr. Evra pushed away his hand from his head and said "don't touch me 'expletive' South American'. Evra admitted to this. Why was he not reprimanded? It natural for anyone who is called out on their ethnicity to return a comment in the same manner.
ReplyDeleteSure it was(!)
ReplyDeletethanx :-) Apparently is not the most popular country in Britain at the moment... I'm expecting my country to be linked with Al Qaeda in the near future... ;-) We're the bad guys... BOOO! :-p
ReplyDeleteHi. If he didn't mean anything bad by what he admitted he said, why not apologise like a true gentleman. Don't think evra is blameless but S really made it so much worse for himself AND the club. When did he think of LFC whenever he opens his mouth. If he doesn't want to put LFC interest to the fore, he is just a talent ... Utterly replaceable. Hope at least everyone can agree on this! MikeyD
ReplyDeleteAll you mention is one player did one thing but he did it all and now repeating it. So what are you going to say now??? But you most probably hippocratic as most of LFC fans are. LFC bring bad name in EPL and Football to the world.
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