Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has slammed his 'conviction' for using insulting words against Manchester United's Patrice Evra, suggesting that he was a 'victim' of the whole process.
In an interview with Uruguayan newspaper El Pais, Suarez argued that the truth of the situation was 'only published in Uruguay', and made it clear that he harbours resentment over what he perceives to be an injustice. Suarez noted:
"In the case of my eight game suspension, I think I was a victim.
"What hurts me most is that there was no concrete evidence; It was just my word against another player and they believed him. That hurt a lot.
"There were days when I got up at half past 6 in the morning to go to hearing and returned to Manchester at 8 pm. That moment was very complicated.
"I do not think I deserve to be treated like I was treated"
Strong views from Suarez here, but I doubt Liverpool will be too impressed that he's raised the issue once again.
In my view, Suarez was *not* a victim in one respect: He admitted using the word 'negro' in relation to Evra. Section 110 of FA Report contains a snippet from Suarez's Witness Statement, in which he states:
"It seems to me that Patrice Evra misunderstood my use of the word negro"
Mere use of that word in a hostile context is enough to warrant an 8-game ban (IMO) Do we really want a situation where kids on football fields go around calling each other 'Negro'? There surely can't be any grey area surrounding the use of that word?
As I argued at length previously, Suarez was not convicted of being 'racist', but his use of the word 'Negro' had negative connotations, and he should've been aware of that.
I can understand Suarez's frustration though; he admitted using the word Negro, but everything else Evra alleged he said was NOT proved, and it was clearly wrong for the Commission to state that it's a FACT that Suarez said the following:
* "Porque tu eres negro" ("Because you are black").
* "No hablo con los negros" ("I don't speak to blacks").
* "Dale, negro, negro, negro" ("okay, blackie, blackie, blackie).
The Commission made a damaging finding of fact WITHOUT PROOF, and those alleged 'facts' - i.e. that Suarez said some horrible, racist things to Evra - could destroy Suarez's reputation forever.
In this respect, I agree that Suarez was a 'victim' in some ways, and I still believe he should've appealed against these unproven findings of 'fact'.
However, I still maintain that Suarez's 8-game ban was fair; it just should've been for what *was* proven rather that what *wasn't*
Jaimie Kanwar
In an interview with Uruguayan newspaper El Pais, Suarez argued that the truth of the situation was 'only published in Uruguay', and made it clear that he harbours resentment over what he perceives to be an injustice. Suarez noted:
"In the case of my eight game suspension, I think I was a victim.
"What hurts me most is that there was no concrete evidence; It was just my word against another player and they believed him. That hurt a lot.
"There were days when I got up at half past 6 in the morning to go to hearing and returned to Manchester at 8 pm. That moment was very complicated.
"I do not think I deserve to be treated like I was treated"
Strong views from Suarez here, but I doubt Liverpool will be too impressed that he's raised the issue once again.
In my view, Suarez was *not* a victim in one respect: He admitted using the word 'negro' in relation to Evra. Section 110 of FA Report contains a snippet from Suarez's Witness Statement, in which he states:
"It seems to me that Patrice Evra misunderstood my use of the word negro"
Mere use of that word in a hostile context is enough to warrant an 8-game ban (IMO) Do we really want a situation where kids on football fields go around calling each other 'Negro'? There surely can't be any grey area surrounding the use of that word?
As I argued at length previously, Suarez was not convicted of being 'racist', but his use of the word 'Negro' had negative connotations, and he should've been aware of that.
I can understand Suarez's frustration though; he admitted using the word Negro, but everything else Evra alleged he said was NOT proved, and it was clearly wrong for the Commission to state that it's a FACT that Suarez said the following:
* "Porque tu eres negro" ("Because you are black").
* "No hablo con los negros" ("I don't speak to blacks").
* "Dale, negro, negro, negro" ("okay, blackie, blackie, blackie).
The Commission made a damaging finding of fact WITHOUT PROOF, and those alleged 'facts' - i.e. that Suarez said some horrible, racist things to Evra - could destroy Suarez's reputation forever.
In this respect, I agree that Suarez was a 'victim' in some ways, and I still believe he should've appealed against these unproven findings of 'fact'.
However, I still maintain that Suarez's 8-game ban was fair; it just should've been for what *was* proven rather that what *wasn't*
Jaimie Kanwar
I always maintain that if you are wrong fight for the truth.
ReplyDeleteIn this aspect I felt that Liverpool should have fight the case all the way to civil court instead of accepting the verdict by a kangaroo court.
Calling Suarez a south american in an insulting manner is as racially abusing as being call negro, it's how players react in the field, IMHO, and Evra got nothing. I would be sad myself considering it's my first season in English football. He is a victim..
ReplyDeleteJaimie...you are a prick! Just like the FA, you have double standards when it comes to foreigners. John Terry has been treated with kid gloves for worse. There is damning evidence in his case, but his becomes a police case and the worst case scenario is a 2500 pound fine if found guilty. There was no corroborating evidence in Suarez' case, yet he was fined 40 000 pounds and banned for 8 matches. Where is the justification? Also, your proud proclamation of being "tormentor-in-chief of the Pro-Benitez movement" is really being overplayed. Benitez was brilliant for LFC and will always be a legend! Learn something about the game, support the team and players you purport to support...then something other than your usual drivel will flow from your pen!
ReplyDeleteAgree, he probably didnt mean it in this format! 8 match ban was justified, evra looking like an angle in NOT since he is not one.....
ReplyDeleteWhatever you believe is simply that, why do you think your views are worthy of publication? I believe Luis to be innocentthat and his 8 game ban was hostile, punitative and unfair, but I don't think what I believe needs publicity - unlike you.
ReplyDeleteThe english and Americans are S**T people!!! They think they control the world!!! It would have been nicer to accept different religions and way of living!!!! Well your reign is over!!! Now its India and China's turn to boss the world!!
ReplyDeleteYe Gods, don't tell that this is being resurrected yet again ! It's done with, let's get on with life !
ReplyDeleteChi Bai lu, England FA, rotten to the core!
ReplyDeleteYou are either being lazy and accepting the word used was "Nee-Grow" and not "Neh-Gro" or you're being arrogant. Lazyness is no more comforting than arrogance - it seems to me that you want to believe the former rather than the latter as it suits your stance and god forbid you would have to admit to being wrong.
ReplyDeleteEvra is a bloody racist. He hates blacks. That's why he got a white c*nt for a wife.
ReplyDeleteFO!
ReplyDeleteyou are idiot....which race is south american!! Dont know any poliitical parties set up to rid the country of south americans like you have with your BNP
ReplyDeleteI believe that he was victim. I also believe 100% that if Suarez played for England nothing would've happened to him. Nothing at all. (John Terry anyone).
ReplyDeleteRemember when men were men? Suarez needs a 'Frank Butcher DRY SLAP' for his constant whining a perpetual flogging of a dead horse whose only crime was to be a horse. I offer my services.
ReplyDeleteAnd what race is negro?
ReplyDeleteDuh!!!! What do you think BNP stands for?
ReplyDeleteI do agree with Suarez.But we must look forward,even if we will not forget what Evra and Man U did during these periods.
ReplyDeleteI think in football, there should not be discrimination whether such discrimination is against color of one's skin, black in case of Mr.Evra, or race, which anyway means
ReplyDeletea group of persons related by common descent or heredity. Negro, monkey, Indian, Hispanic, all of which are race, should be prohibited. Suarez may feel as equally awful being called south american as Evra might feel toward negro. Educate me if you please but please Don't call anyone idiot. I think I am entitle to an opinion...
Oh move on. Shut up Luis and get on playing with football, especially finishing chances off and not rolling around ten times per 'alleged foul'.
ReplyDeleteBritish national party but duh negro is not a race, like brown isn't a race or white isn't a race, it's the colour of your skin duh
ReplyDeleteIn the top trumps world of victim status Evra's ethnicity aced Suarez's ethnicity...The media and FA were always going to back the black man over the Hispanic because of black pressure groups and black lobyists within this country who have their own agenda .Liverpool should have fought the FA to a standstill and dragged them through every court in Europe
ReplyDeleteYou should never forgot that it was Evra that started all this messs
ReplyDeleteSpeaking in SPANISH not in english or french. When you change language you change culture. So don judge in english cultute (if you are capable of such a difficult task). But in spanish or uruguayan culture where calling somebody negro, or turco or colorado or gringo or whatever is not racism.
Even within the Spanish language, there are different types of it and cultures around it. Uruguayan Spanish probably has many big differences from say for e.g. Catalan
ReplyDeleteIn western football, I keep seeing players shouting other players or referee with dirty words like f**k etc... Regret that no action was taken. Does it means that these words are less serious than calling people 'black', 'white' or 'yellow'? Or does racist word more 'insulting' than those 'F' language? Or they don't care about the situation where kids on football fields go around shouting each other with 'F' language?? Or they've just tried to lick the 'tai-ko' (big brother), Mr Ferguson's shoes in this case???
ReplyDeleteIs it not strange that you, Jaimie, prefer to totally ignore lots of positive things that Luis Suarez said in that interview about the city, the teammates, the manager and the fans, but instead, focus (and, as per usual - exaggerate and sensationalise) one sentence where Suarez said that he still feels that he was treated badly by the "independent panel" ?
ReplyDeleteSuarez also said he wants to sign new contract, so media / opposition better get used to the fact that we have one of the most dynamic players in the league and he's staying
ReplyDeleteHis appetite and application is awe inspiring, we are so lucky to have him
The findings of fact without proof is unfair IMO
Over 20 years ago, playing as 9 year old, our centre midfielder rounded on the referee, calling him fat old baldy f***ing pr**k
ReplyDeleteReferee took no action, this lad grew up to be a total degenerate, and has so far been found guilty of manslaughter on two occasions. It seems that society could do nothing to steer him off his destructive path. But perhaps being sternly dealt with and being suspended from the only thing he loved might have taught him some lessons
Sin binning has to brought in for any abuse directed towards or questioning of referees decisions
I saw Nigel Owens, rugby referee, reprimand a player for questioning his decision. Owens said, "if you question my decision one more time I am penalising you, THIS IS NOT SOCCER"
What an indictment of the deplorable behaviour of top earning soccer professionals - people whom children idolise - that a world class referee in another discipline can so callously right off soccer as a yob's game
Unbelievable Suarez used the word black, negro in spanish and south American simply means black, so Jamie you are wrong he does not deserve an 8 game ban, surely if he thought it was wrong he would not have admitted it, especially the image that the media has portrayed him. I find it lazy journalism to keep quoting that he used the word negro, in any other interviews given in Spanish the words are translated into English why is it that everyone keeps referring to the Spanish word as opposed to the translated word.
ReplyDeleteerm originalchan, you are correct castellano and español are different languages (if u want to know what they both are feel free to google it i haven't got the patience to explain to assumers who comment using the word "probably" basically proving they are ASSUMING) i live in catalunya and everyone here thought it was a joke that he was charged and found guilty of such offences, as i have said in the past, i heard suarez called him negrito, negro is an adjective, look up adjective if u like, any time a spanish person wants to include small in an adjective they add ito (for male) or ita (for female) so little black man/boy is negrito, and negrita for a girl, if they want to say a lot they add isimo/a which doesn't normally exist for negro, because you don't say someone is a lot black. it's not racism its the same for every single adjective, even little cute girl could be guapita or a gorgeous woman guapisima. i am a fairly short bloke and i am scouse, my friends here when they heard scouse is the adjective for someone from liverpool they call me scousito, should i get on my high horse because they are refering to my origins and size (now before you start saying evra isn't small, suarez was running around him like he was a child so it's easy to use in this sense) my advice to u. assumption is the mother of all fcuk-ups, you just assumed and well i'll leave the rest for you to figure out.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not strange. Suarez said what he said; and just because I choose to report something you don't like doesn't mean it's sensationalism.
ReplyDeleteSome LFC fans are so precious about their godlike idols; what you're basically talking about is positive censorship, suggesting that people should only highlight the positives.
Sorry, but I don't subscribe to that. For me, the most important (and most interesting) part of his interview was the part about Evra.
The only person who has 'exaggerated and sensationalised anything here is you, by suggesting that the accurate reporting of something Suarez said is somehow wrong.
Perhaos you should move to China or North Korea - positive censorship is the norm there.
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The panel's decision and subsequent 8 match ban imo had nothing to do with the colour of skin or nationality, it was because of who it was the, great man utd and that scottish cunt (yeah i know i'm racist) old whiskey face, he saw his chance to stir the shit and took it gleefully, he said Suarez was a disgrace and should never play for LFC again, completely forgetting his kung fu specialist Cantona and what he did, if you or i did that on the street we would probably get a prison sentence.
ReplyDeleteLike so many others, you are damagingly biased and incapable of accepting the truth. It as an irrefutable fact that Suarez used the word 'negro' towards Evra; if you had an ounce of objectivity you would accept that context determines the connotation of the word.
ReplyDeleteLazy journalism? Get a grip. Your narrow-minded, tribal view of the situation is an embarrassment.
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Yes, I agree; it was grand, orchestrated conspiracy, with pernicious overlord Ferguson and his evil minions pulling the strings behind the scenes. Suarez was totally innocent and did absolutely nothing wrong. Poor guy was clearly framed.
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evra is a c#nt end of. always has and always will be bad news.black, white yellow or watever, he is a piece of sh#t.
ReplyDeletetotally still and always will be in support of suarez.
evra abused suarez..........where was his punishment??
evra constantly wound suarez up that game mentally and phisically, and got a reaction.
suarez was doing fine and well behaved untill he came accross the likes of evra, who obviously is one of those people capable of bringing the worst out in anybody. its a joke and sadly people wont be happy untill suarez is forced out the country or bullied out should i say.
completely agree. They were speaking in Spanish. One thing I notice about England when I grew up there and Canada ( multi-cultural country for those of you that don't know), is that there is a significant difference in school curriculum in regards to secondary language studying. In England, the most I learned in french was "non" ""oui" and "pourquoi". But moving to Canada, I was required to phrase together full sentences in proper grammar in French as well as a wide variety of vocabulary. Not to mention, that there is an option to learn Punjabi and Spanish as secondary language studies. But of course the proud British jury didn't look into cultural differences, yet they think they are racially protecting Evra.
ReplyDeleteBut what ever, people on here can say Evra is right, or Suarez is right. But what gives them the right that they know what is the truth? Only god knows what was said between the two players.
I was told by someone at work who is from Spain (Cordoba) but it was more a passing comment (mentioning things like how unlikely a Uruguayan would say 'tu' and 'eres' in their dialect and instead use 'vos' and 'sos', something like that anyway but my memory is vague on this, etc) so hence why I didn't sound so sure in my comment and said 'probably'. I don't like to use 'third party' opinion as my own, especially when I haven't read much into it. Just like I won't use yours in detail but thanks for your input
ReplyDeleteapplication to dive and roll around might be your cup of tea but certainly not mine, certainly not awe inspiring
ReplyDeleteIf he could cut that out, shut up and improve on his finishing in the box, I would be a happy bunny
Madasafish, I hope you appreciate sarcasm ;)
ReplyDeleteYep, Suarez was a angel before the Evra incident....wasn't he, Bakkal(!)
ReplyDeleteyeah were all perfect aint we. its hence why evra targeted him, and the fact suarez was making him look stupid.
ReplyDeletepeople like suarez can never find peace
If the rules of the game were better defined,
ReplyDeleteIf referees gave penalties and free kicks when you are fouled and don't necessarily go to ground,
If video replays and technology were used we would never have gotten to the stage where diving and cheating are deemed valid tactics by ALL managers, except if it's against their team
Suarez is our best player by a mile, exaggerating contact is part of the game, even in Sunday league football. It's become a joke, but that's football. I do go through spells of trying not to watch because of these negative aspects but I always come back.......
Have you seen Suarez live? He is amazing
God only knows what was said if he in fact actually exists, that would be a far more interesting discussion.......
ReplyDeleteIf Liverpool had a basic induction course for new employees, racial sensitivities in the UK would surely have been on the curriculum
Liverpool erred in this regard
Bakkal and Suarez had a laugh together after the game, look at YouTube - although maybe he was humouring him for fear of losing a body part in tunnel ;)
ReplyDeleteUh, if you want to be technical, all humans are comprised of one race: the Human race...
ReplyDeleteSouth americans are immigrants man. The BNP don't just target Blacks you know! I agree with P__mos
ReplyDeletePeople around the world have nothing to do with recognising Suarez as a bad person.We know well that racists have killed people; For their resources and just.So Suarez row is not a worry or a concern.The young man just needs few words/advice and it shall be ok.WE have to move on as a club with our Suare.The supporters who boo Suarez are the ones who destroy the image of the English.How can you ban a player and boo him thereafter?????? It just shows the British are racists,I mean the deeper aspects of the issue just show that.Otherwise the supporters could have just behaved well in the stands if they are not racist.
ReplyDeletewell the FACTS have been released by the FA and he used tu eres. after the advice of linguistics experts they chose to charge him with the joke charge of using abusive language, how many times do you see players abusing the referee and name me 1 player who got more than 1 game ban if anything for it, let alone more than a month on the sidelines. basically all the FA have achieved around the spanish speaking world is to make themselves look rediculous, and trust me that comes from all different dialects of spanish speakers who i have discussed the matter with (including plenty of south americans)
ReplyDeleteUsed to like your column Jamie, because you seemed to be anti the Rafa fanatics (legend though he is), who were, and still are causing a rift in our great club and making it difficult for our present manager. I've even backed you on here against the odds. However, I've decided that you're really one of these strange people who's own kind can do no right and everything anyone else does is fair and proper. It's not natures way and she tends to make people lean more towards narcissism. You seem to have slipped through her net. Why should Suarez keep quiet if he feels that he's suffered an injustice? Evra wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteLowest form of wit, Jaimie.
ReplyDeleteI posted an excerpt from an excellent article that illustrated what exactly had been said to Suarez in the first place, yesterday, but you deleted my comments.
I therefore urge people to read the article - NewsFrames, January 6, 2012 - Media on Racism Part1 : Churnalism.
Part 2 is pretty insightful, too, [January 23, 2012].
Great goal today.
I recently got banned for life from a Liverpool forum (TIA) simply because my opinion re the Suarez race charge etc was objective and not driven by denial...... its a sad day for LFC when the fans themselves try to silence opposing views, kinda makes the whole purpose of a forum somewhat obsolete really, kudo's to you Jamie for a more objective and far less blinkered p.o.v. on the matter.
ReplyDeleteSuffice to say i agree, really brought out the worst in many fans IMO, made ourselves look like a bunch of Redneck hicks, all insular and paranoid that the whole world is out to get us and Suarez being the innocent victim, he really wasn't, not at all, he was rightly charged and banned and a line had to be drawn somewhere to discourage this behaviour, period.
Suarez has been tarnished, which is a great shame for a player with that much talent, but so has the Club......that to me is much more important than one player will ever be and this whole saga has hit the Club quite hard in many respects and presented our new owners with something of a major headache as to how to handle the situation without making matters worse already....
And so it continues....or should i say Suarez continues it.....kinda pisses me off tbh, naturally i don't like the abuse he is getting now when he plays but surely a sense of personal responsibility is paramount when playing at the level he is and so far he just hasn't shown that, even coming back from the ban and getting involved in certain shennanigans, kicking Scott Parker where he could have been Red carded....etc
I mean FFS Luis, what do you want? Has he not dragged the Club far enough into the doldrums this season? Does he really think that making these comments will help the Club???
And its not like the fans and the Club were not "supporting" him, Kenny stuck his neck out for the guy and backed him, the players wore his fcuking T shirt.....and the fans gave him a very vocal support, still do....So by opening his mouth now he just brings the discussion up again, forces the issue once again onto the fans which i think is very divisive because clearly we all don't think like the automated dullards on most censored Liverpool forums......* cough RAWK * cough TIA * for a starters.....
This guy is a problem IMO, but before anyone jumps the gun, i mean a problem for the Club and its owners........im pretty sure that they wouldn't have appreciated the kind of bad press associated with this Suarez saga, in fact i would hazard a guess that they will want to see the back of him in the summer (if i was in their shoes i would), might be wrong about that, but by him saying these things that he is a victim and suggesting he should have had his name cleared of whatever is just stirring up the shit IMO.
What i find most interesting is that Suarez himself admitted to using this term.....now surely if it was his word against someone else's why did he bother admitting it, let alone actually saying it in the first place???
I don't like where this is going, somehow i think we havn't heard the last of this....
what about evra you retard? hes the one that started the whole whingeing bitching. biggest pussy going around in the league.
ReplyDeleteracism. hahha fuck off, rasicsm is over played
It was his word against Evras. Why didnt he deny everything? Nobody else overheard squat!
ReplyDeleteAn 8 game ban for insulting another player on the pitch in the heat of a fiercely contested match was and will always be classed as a total stitch up and a very poor decision by the FA. You can break a players leg, smash him in the face with an elbow, call him every non racial insult in the world and most of the time either be unpunished or receive a card and maybe a 3 game ban.
ReplyDeleteSo how Mr Kanwar can you conclude that an 8 game ban was fully justified? It is totally ludicrous, I and the majority of fair minded people would agree that Suarez was dealt with very harshly.
Exactly!
ReplyDeleteJaimie, you are the same reporter that said Suarez is an disgusting cheater after the game against Ghana? Maybe you should start looking for other sport, like cricket, becuase you obviously dont understand this game. Did you ever PLAYED football? Thanks, I hope you dont censure my comment. By the way, calling someone "south american" is the same as calling someone "negro".
ReplyDeleteI always maintain that, right or wrong, I am behind Suarez because Patrice Evra is a well known actor. Hypocrisy all the way. I'm sure one day he will write a book and confessed just to sell out.
ReplyDeleteHey Jamie, i actually do like a lot of the things you write but seriously mate, if Suarez was not charged with being a racist, only for using the word Negro and that is after responding to Evras comments, not to mention he did not give the FA the run around because he honestly thought he had said nothing wrong. Do you really think in all honesty that a 8 week ban and 40,000 pound fine was not a little over the top. People say that he is not a racist but i put this to you, why is everyone booing him at every stadium at every game if they would be honest they would tell you, we don't like the guy because he dives (so do a lot of others) he got away with a hand ball in the world cup (well are we all forgetting one of if not the greatest players in the world did just that. The Hand of GOD) and he is a racist. You see you can not put the word Racist in a tittle along with someones name and not expect people not to think of him in that way, im sorry it just will not happen. Has Terry had is hearing yet ? i can not wait for the outcome of that one. By the way if a man feels he has been mistreated, than he has every right to say so when asked, regardless of what you or i think, lets not forget he is the one who has to endure all the bullshit from all the narrow minded clowns at the game after already been punished.
ReplyDeleteJamie, we are more concerned about biased journalism!
ReplyDeleteWhere were your comments about the Man U fanzine publication sporting the KKK mask on the back, with 'LFC' and 'Suarez is Innocent' printed on it? For this, the magazine was 'exonerated' when this was clear discrimination, to an even worse degree. I also question why you did not comment on Ferguson stating that Suarez is a 'disgrace to Liverpool FC' and that they should sell him. However. when three of his own players refused to shake Patrick Viera's hand at a game, no comments were made. There is clearly a double standard here, and all we ask is for fair and unbiased journalism.
like i've said to you before - why don't you just STFU about all of this !!!- KOPITE??? you're just a manc in disguise
ReplyDeleteI love (and really appreciate!) how you decided not to remove the C word from madasafish's post!
ReplyDeleteGreat work fella!!!!
Hahaha
Fact is English FA is as corrupted as FIFA and Ferguson has a big influence in FA. World is watching what FA is doing in Premier league and how players and managers are judged here with different standards based on if they are British or not.
ReplyDeleteI am not surprised such corrupted and biased FA has no support in the whole world. I doubt England can ever host a world cup in spite of being the most favourable place for hosting it. This FA needs to go. Whole set-up is corrupted and controlled by wrong people.
Dont agree ,,Jamie,Suarez was not guilty of rascism and should have appealed it,I agreed with him not shaking hands with the man who had lied to convict him,,,this whole episode has been dealt with awfully,they should have appealed,The management decided against that,as they decided he should apologise for not shaking hands.
ReplyDeleteHe is damned now and will leave english football,,just what fergie and his cronies wanted.
jaime, you are a rapist. somebody told me you said that to him in spanish. i imagine you will not be defending yourself.
ReplyDeleteNO i dont agree with you on this Jamie - the whole case should have been dismissed from the start as there was clearly not enough evidence (1 players word against anothers) AND MR EVRA changed his own evidence several times - if this doesnt immediately discredit ALL his evidence then nothing will . .anything after this is irrelevant .. who said,, he said,, i said,, they said,, IT JUST DOESNT MATTER..
ReplyDeleteTHere should not have BEEN ANY CASE to answer - it should NOT have gone to A HEARING - that is the whole point
To agree that suarez should have been given an 8 match ban is agreeing that the THERE WAS A STRONG CASE and MR EVRA had clear evidence (He didnt),,
Mr EVRA admitted to calling mr Suarez "you Sth American" - which is equally as racist AND he also admitted to abusing his sister in vulgar teams!!!
So once again - where is the case ??? he said,,, they said.. she said?
Are we school children??
NO they are adults and for a case of this magnitude to go ahead THERE MUST BE CLEAR FOOLPROOF EVIDENCE.. IT SUAREZ MADE RACIST COMMENTS AND THIS WAS CLEAR BEYOND ANY DOUBT THEN SO DID EVRA....
You cant have it 1 way without the OTHER....
Dont you get how anyone on Mr Suarez side will feel victimized if they are the only ones that are picked out of this and given a rap???
HOw would YOU FEEL if someone abuses you based on your ethnicity and then you make a comment IN RESPONSE which is a friendly comment in your own language ( this has been clearly stated by experts) and then YOU ARE THE ONE who goes to trial NOT THEM??
I sure as hell know how I would feel - VICTIMIZED!!!
I would do anything in my power to object to fight to retaliate and to clear my name .. Unfortunately the FA had an agenda- and they do not adhere to ANY judicial system or rules other than their own - so the whole thing is and was a farce - however one player has been branded as RACIST.
Now you will say "no he was guilty of making RACIST COMMENTS theres a difference" ... PLEASE!!! REALLY??
NO I DONT THINK SO!!!!
Making Racist comments therefore by implication makes YOU a racist!!
What do racists do ?? they make racist comments amongst other things!!
So for the FA to then tack this at the end of the charge "oh Mr Suarez is not a racist but ......"
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!!
LFC should have taken in further but due to the ongoing PR disaster by doing so they couldnt . .if i was Mr Suarez I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IF FURTHER AND SUED MR EVRA AND THE FA FOR SLANDER .. and taken it too a full court of LAW . .where there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DISMISSED AND HIS NAME WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARED....
However I am sure LFC would have precluded him doing this again for their own PR reasons - however as an individual your own reputation is more important .. and Mr Suarez should have fought it on his even if it meant he had to terminate his contract with liverpool.
BY NOT DOING SO .. look what happens now? EVERY GAME.. he gets abused and vilified as A RACIST....
VERY SAD REALLY...
Its difficult to forget when you constantly have all away fans shouting racist abuse at you, dont you think! I think if you in your profession, if you have one, would take great exception to being labled something you are not, and being called it for every minute you work, or is that acceptable where you work? I for one would have the backing of a "good" structure behind me, to protect me from such hideous abuse. And for just one moment, imagine if Evra made it up, just for one minute, and how a professional is supposed to live with that for the fore-seeable future, now that is harsh. We all hide behind inoccent until found/proven guilty so lets stop this false degradation of this mans image, and let him do what he is paid to do!!!
ReplyDeleteI think if you came to UK you would find a very diverse combination of religions, faiths, races of people and their cultures. There are not many places in the world where one has as much freedom as they do in the UK.
ReplyDeleteSince this thread/discussion is not about ruling the world I fail to grasp what contribution your remark makes. Isn't calling English and Americans S**T people racist, I think you show yourself to be a complete moron with no understanding of the issues at stake. I suggest you crawl back under your rock and go do some research before posting again.
He agreed that he used the word 'negro'. Nothing wrong with that when you're speaking in spanish, as he was - Evra began the conversation in spanish and suarez continued the conversation in spanigh, so being all high and mighty over the use of the word 'negro' in this case is totally wrong, and shows ignorance in itself.
ReplyDeleteNo, your reply shows ignorance. You just don't seem to get that individual intention does not matter! How the rest of the world perceives what was said is what matters. This is the UK; it's not Uruguay, and using the word 'negro' in a hostile context is wrong, and sends out the wrong signal. A message needed to be sent that using that word is always wrong, and that's the way it should be. If you can't see the wider ramifications of taking a wishy-washy approach to the use or 'negro' then you are beyond help.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should take time out from worshipping at Suarez's shrine and try and see the bigger picture.
Jamie, for gods sake man, give your head a shake. Using the word negro in the UK, whilst speaking Spannish is not racist.
ReplyDeleteAre we going to accuse every Spanish tourist who hails a taxi negro.
You just don't get it, so let's just agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteJamie Kinwar - Neither the Referee, his assistants nor the RoW heard what Louis Suarez said. - So what would stimulate their perceptions?
ReplyDeletePlease let it drop. Report on the wonderful goal Louis scored yesterday!
Jeez, for the millionth time: Suarez admitted in his witness statement that he referred to Evra as 'negro'. You understand the concept of admitting something, right? I think I also clearly explained that I was against Suarez being convicted for things that weren't proven.
ReplyDeleteIs Luis Suarez a racist? Probably not, was he in an altercation with Evra? Definitely? Is it clever to resort to referring to colour during an altercation (which he admits) No, it isn't. Did Kuyt and Comolli make statements that implicated their own man? Yes, they did.
ReplyDeleteThis has gone on for so long now that surely Liverpool and Suarez should have sued Evra, the FA or anyone else they thought was involved in a conspiracy, rather than accept the findings, based on a 115 page report, and then dismiss them as a kangaroo court and let deluded supporters run around saying that their man was hard done by while never wondering why the club did not fight this all the way. If I'd been accused of this, i would be trying to sue anyone and everyone who repeated it in public, and once i did not do that i would try to put it behind me and let my actions prove that these allegations were wrong. Nothing sticks in football nowadays, a year of good behaviour, if he can manage that, and everyone would have forgotten about this. For example, his tweet about the Muamba incident appeared heartfelt and without all the usual 'puts it in perspective' cliche. He just needed to keep quiet about Evra and let people see his real personality and it would soon have been forgotten and his reputation would not have been damaged. We like our heroes in football and we like our villains almost as much, and, often, they switch and are the same people.
People need to ask Liverpool why they did not take this further when they had the chance.
No it isn't, where do you get that idea from? South America is a continent.
ReplyDeleteSo, why didn't they? I agree, they should have taken it further, to a conclusion, but probably not for the same reason that you want it.
ReplyDeleteAnd what's their agenda? World domination? It may seem like that to you, but, remember, apartheid hasn't been gone that long. There's an agenda.
Imagine if he made it up? Why would he do that? People who suggest that black men sit in dark rooms plotting ways to catch people out just don't realise how stupid and one dimensional what they are saying is. Granted, Evra could have been mistaken, considering the language, could have exaggerated the number of times he heard something. But the number of times I have heard the theory put forward, strongly, that he made it up, tells me how many people don't understand what people go through to report this nonsense. For every case that is made up, I reckon there are 5 that are never reported. There's injustice for you. You suggesting that people make this nonsense up is as bad as someone being wrongly accused of using the language in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIf he made it up, why would he have said he did not believe Suarez was racist?
Wonder how scousito explains pinching skin and grabbing people by the head?
ReplyDeleteYou're an idiot. If you can't understand the concept of racism/ethnicity please don't comment on it.
ReplyDeleteAdmitting calling someone a term used everyday in South American countries is not admitting to being a racist. I have heard this first hand myself in Argentina, Bolivia and Ecusador and have been referred to as "flacco", meaning skinny guy and others "Gordo" meaning fatty.
ReplyDeletelook, bottom line is this. Is saurez an idot for saying what he did around an already known troublemaker? yes. Did he deserve to be banned? yes. 8 matches was ridiculous and without any real reasoning and thats where the problem was made. The FA, Suarez and Evra are all guilty of being wrong in this situation. Now its over suarez needs to contribute for the team coz whether hes been distracted or whatever, he hasnt done enough as a man who was brought in as a fairly expensive striker, i hope he can show what he can do from now til seasons end and we'll keep supporting him as a liverpool player. YNWA
ReplyDeletehell of a man lol
ReplyDeleteThere are idiot black people just as there are idiot white people. Evra was offered to make a complaint by the police, he refused. If he truly felt that strongly about what happened then why? Could it be he knew that the police would find nothing?
ReplyDeleteAnd why did the FA and Evra make sure that they said that Suarez is not racist? That was just to ensure that Suarez could not take them to court.
Again how can Evra be apparently that upset by the whole thing yet not want to report it to the police or think Suarez was a racist?
The whole thing was a mess of a witchhunt to political point score and very little else.
In terms of the FA's rules by which Suarez was punished it is exactly the same. Evra should have by the letter of the law recieved the same punishment as Suarez.
ReplyDeleteThe manner in which the FA worded the report ensured that there was no avenue for appeal. Liverpool could not appeal the decision only the length of punishment and if they had done that then they ran the risk of the ban being extended. The FA had made a mess of the whole thing and would never have reduced the ban because it would have shown them to be weak in their stance. From a Liverpool and Suarez point of view there was nothing to appeal. An organisation with somthing stupid like over 95% conviction rate and an appeals system that punishes further for appeals if it feels like it made a decision they were not qualified for and have ruined a mans reputation.
ReplyDeleteYou still don't get it Gab, do you? He patted him on the head the same way you see footballers pat each other 20 or 30 times a match. It's a way of saying, "Come on. Let's get on with the game."
ReplyDeleteThe 'pinch' was most likely his incredulity at the way Evra reacted to a word that he KNOWS FULL WELL had no racial, or racist motives. A word that he has most likely heard a hundred times in a hundred games. A word that Chicharito uses every day, but the absence of his testimony speaks volumes. Suarez was stupid to touch him, but every camera angle I have seen suggests Suarez is saying, "Look! What's your problem? What have I said? You ARE black".
Stupid and naiive. But not worth an 8-game ban.
Read this snippet from Newsframes, January 6, 2012:
Suarez claims he said “Por qué, negro?” (“why, black?” – para 205). Evra claims he said “Porque tu eres negro” (“Because you are black” – para 205). The latter could be taken as offensive according to the FA’s language experts, but the phrase struck them as “slightly unusual” (para 182), whereas the phrase claimed by Suarez “sounded right linguistically and culturally”. (Para 191)So now you'll be telling me about "context", " heated exchange", etc.
I don't agree with name calling in any language. Suarez should just drop trying to defend himself against punk ass Evra. Look what Evra did to their national side, he is a trouble maker.
ReplyDeleteTrouble is, it's like fishing in a barrel. Jaimie picks out the contentious stuff, instead of the bit about how thankful Suarez was/is for the support that Kenny has given him (including attempts to talk to him in Spanish), and he knows we'll start typing like loons.
ReplyDeleteDidn't he train with Blackpool?
ReplyDeleteIf this is the UK, they should have spoken in English. You can't start a conversation in Spanish, then take the similar Spanish response and translate it back into English to suit your needs.
ReplyDeleteAh yes, that makes it all right then(!)
ReplyDeleteBloody hell, the lengths some people go to for their own favourite players. Talk about blinkered
Nah, still not buying it. But i think Suarez should have been talking about Evra in court, rather than to the press, if he feels that hard done by. That's what I don't get. I think he was naive, but, by now, he should have learned to let it go or sue the guy. I think Evra probably did not know full well, in fact, his comments suggest his grasp of Spanish is not as good as he thought.
ReplyDeleteAs i said already, they should have had it out in court and been done with it. Then we would have heard the end of this mess of Uruguayan said to French man, then Dutch man, then French Man again and then Scot. It has turned into a complete mess but i thought we were over the worst. Same applies to Suarez, he should have sued Evra, but he wouldn't have been able to prove Evra was lying either. Suarez could still take the FA to court for banning him on an injustice.
ReplyDeleteHow do you work that out?
ReplyDeleteThey could appeal the length of the ban, surely better than Johnson and Suarez bringing the whole thing up again. They also could have gone to court and taken an action against Evra or whoever else they wanted to. Probably worthwhile, just to make a point.
ReplyDeleteI wish people would stop saying that Suarez has been labelled a racist, he was not! John Terry is not being accused of being racist, either. Because of the court case, however, this subject doesn't keep coming up every 5 minutes, so, it would have been better if Suarez and Evra had gone to court! But if Suarez does feel that he has been unfairly labelled by anyone in this way, he should have taken it to court or, better still, the club should have fought the ban when it was still relevant, now it is too late to do anything.
ReplyDeleteJamie, let it go. As I've said before, if i accuse you of being, for example, a racist and you called me a white whatever but just happen to be a convincing liar, you wouldn't accept any sanction placed against you would you ? Only, you see, that would be judged on the basis of 'beyond reasonable doubt' rather than the 'balance of probabilities' and to me, denying someone their livelihood on that basis and on no other evidence than the complainant, is bonkers.
ReplyDeleteAh well. At least I tried Gab!!
ReplyDeleteI can't see how he can sue Evra. If there was no evidence that proves Suarez to be guilty, there can be no evidence to prove his innocence.
The FA went to great lengths to make the decision "appeal proof", so I don't see anywhere else this can possibly go.
The story emerged in the Uruguayan press, and most of the article concentrates on how happy Luis is here, and how grateful he is of the support from fans and team mates. I got stitched up at work 2 years ago, and STILL harp on about it. I'm can't seem to let that one go......
Seems like they wanted to avoid the 'racism' charge at all costs, hence opted for abuse angle.
ReplyDeleteIt's an absolute DISGRACE how nothing has been done by The British Parliament yet about The Man Utd run English FA smear campaign on Luis Suarez & Liverpool FC!!! There is no other Industry in the World that would allow a CEO of a Company it's supposed to regulate, on it's Board when that CEO has the chance to detrimentally and financially affect it's competitors! The Man Utd Run English FA had no jurisdiction in the 1st place to act as Judge & Jury in the Evra/Suarez case! They are not the law of the land on such a serious allegation.
ReplyDeleteI also find it totally HYPOCRITICAL that nothing was done when the video of Patrice Evra surfaced > http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Video-Patrice-Evra-using-the-N-word-article849460.html
(after The Man Utd Run English FA had found Luis Suarez "probably guilty") proving Evra lied under oath at The Disciplinary Hearing that he found any connotation of the "N" word derogatory when he was comfortable using it to call Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink & Frank Lampard "Mother Fucking Niggers" in a hotel in London on British Soil? this was not hearsay, this was banged to rights RACISM!!!
Beckham had it for a entire season. Fans chanting about his wife and kids having cancer. Newspaper printing Beckham dartboard. A hanged effigy of Beckham, etc. Players like Beckham have had it a lot worse from away fans than Suarez has had. Nearly every big player has had abuse but they don't all go on about it in the media like a broken record.
ReplyDeleteNo, HE should do what he is paid to do.
Or maybe Evra didn't want to take it as far that (i.e. Police). Just a thought, though sorry if it doesn't suit your agenda.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are an imbecile!!! You do realise "NEGRO" means "BLACK" in any form of Spanish!!! that is not derogatory it's true, Evra is black! It's how he said it and was construed by The Man Utd Run English FA and twisted by Hypocrite Evra! > http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Video-Patrice-Evra-using-the-N-word-article849460.html
ReplyDeleteAND HAVE YOU PAID THAT MONEY TO THE HILLSBOROUGH FAMILIES CHARITY THAT YOU PROMISED AND RENEGED, ON YET JAIMIE? YOU ARE A DESPICABLE "SO CALLED LIVERPOOL FAN" WHO ENJOYS BANTERING WITH MAN UTD FANS ON THEIR OWN FAN FORUMS AND POSTING YOUR OWN TWISTED OPINIONS ON YOUR BLOG! LIVERPOOL FC CAN DO WITHOUT "WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING" LIKE YOU, BECAUSE THERE ARE ENOUGH OF THEM AT THE MAN UTD RUN ENGLISH FA! TWISTING THE KNIFE WITH THEIR TAWDRY SMEAR CAMPAIGN!
ReplyDeleteSuarez was definitely the victim, its you asshole europeans who made the damn word offensive. Im hispanic and I'm called black all the time when playing football for my school team... by my teammates! does that make them racist?
ReplyDeleteThe high horse morality of the English is ridiculous. Negro is not a racist word and in fact used as a category of the US census in 2010. The truth is the English are the most racist of people that one can meet. I'm so glad Blatter has pissed on the misplaced morality of the English! Haha!
ReplyDeleteCan the FA act on somethat happens in a hotel in Europe? I know football is important but i would say that this would be far dodgier ground, as would be a black man using the n word in a completely different context.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, why didn't LFC appeal? Or take it to court if your points are so strong and so valid?
Do you really think it was racism? Does that offend you?
Don't know, how would we know who your teammates are?
ReplyDeleteBut, seeing as you are calling people names about being european, as evra said south american, maybe.
Do people have first names in latin america? Or does everyone have to be called fatty, shorty, podgy, etc? What do they call people in a wheelchair? The mind starts to boggle.
yeah, well, judging by your stereotyping, i don't think it is a subject that bothers you too much in any case. Better to be on a high horse than lower than a snake's belly. Misplaced morality is better than no morality.
ReplyDeleteWell, if anyone thinks Suarez is bad, they should google 'Luis Moreno' and 'owl', there'd be no defence for our man if he did what this guy did! Take a look, outrageous!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Wur9iFEt8
It seems to me that who wrote this article do not nothing about other languages and do not care either. The conversation between evra and suarez was in Spanish and suarez admited using the word negro just once and not in a racist way but this guy just wants to believe the FA report. Nice fan.
ReplyDeleteYou are yet another fan with a narrow-minded view of the incident, and like many others, you point-blank refuse to objectively consider the context. As such, there's no point discussing the issue with you.
ReplyDeleteIt was made in a London Hotel on British Soil before Monaco's Champions League game v Chelsea in 2004! So because Evra has darker skin than Suarez, do you think it's ok for him to use the word "NIGGERS"? It's hypocritical considering the word Suarez used was "Negro" which means black, and not in the connotation that Evra used probably the most despised racial word in any language on the planet! Suarez is from mixed race because his Grandfather is Black! It doesn't matter what skin type you have the word "NIGGERS" is the worst racist word ever! Evra used the race card for his own means which is despicable, changing his original statement of Suarez calling him a Nigger more than 10 times to Suarez calling him negro 5 times! And The English FA stated that any appeal by Liverpool would only reduce or increase the punishment and that the "probably guilty" verdict stood no matter what! So it would have been a pointless exercise by Liverpool to appeal because it was evident they would have probably increased any punishment by the means they went to in the Disciplinary hearing. The British Parliament really needs to look into the whole process that went on because it was corrupt and there is a very clear indication that there is a continuing smear campaign coming from the media hyped up by factions within/part of Manchester United FC.
ReplyDeleteTypical English racist you are!
ReplyDeletewrong again, not interested.
ReplyDeleteKEEP DREAMING BOTH INDIA AND CHINA HAVE TOO MANY HUNGRY PEOPLE TO RULE THE WORLD FIX YOUR OWN MESS BEFORE DREAMING SUCH STUPIDITY
ReplyDeleteNot being able to prove it, apparently, makes the other guy a liar, so why doesn't it apply if he cannot prove that Evra is lying?
ReplyDeleteThey could have appealed the length of the ban and did not even bother to do that. They allowed the whole thing to pass them by, while they stamped their feet, and now they can't stop going on about it. They had a chance to act and chose not to. All this talk is too little, too late, and their reluctance to stay within the system and not defend their stance properly betrays a disrespect for the issues here.
Not sure it is the most racist word ever, but see what you are saying.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool still, however, should have gone through the proper channels, appealing the sentence or taking Evra or the FA to court, to show that they took the subject as seriously as you clearly do. Rather than resorting to t shirts, moaning to the press and claiming that people shook hands when they didn't. It would have given the subject the respect it deserved. It is Liverpool who have turned this into a whispering campaign, not anyone else.
That's very insightful of you. Come back to us in the tens years it will take you to come up with something else slightly interesting.
ReplyDeleteWhat does being a 'fan' have to do with it?
ReplyDeleteTell me why Kuyt, in dutch, and Comolli, in spanish, both took it, and told the FA, that Suarez said that he told Evra that he kicked him 'because he was black'? Could they both have misunderstood, in different languages? The report is 115 pages long, so if you want to focus on one part of it and ignore the other 114 pages, good for you.
Agreed Guest. A conversation has taken place in Spanish. People of a reasonable IQ level would agree it can only be judged in context of what the conversation means in spanish.
ReplyDeleteThe country you speak your own language IN should have NO relevance. So if two Uruguayan people travel to ..say..India! and have a discussion on the street amongst eachother in their own bleeding language, spanish! and use their own dialect expressions... then some Indian guy walking by hears a word that sounds suspicious in the middle of the garble thinking it is aimed at him... then he claims racism and reports to the cops... the Uruguayans look at him and say "wtf are you going on about?"... but they get prosecuted anyway because they used a word in Spanish that translated to Hindi is insulting. That is pathetic, right? - The F.A. is pathetic