A few days ago, Liverpool legend Steve Nicol criticised Daniel Agger for publicly suggesting that some of his team-mates did not care enough about the club's poor performance against Swansea. Former Newcastle and West Ham goalkeeper Shaka Hislop has backed up Nicol's stance on the issue, arguing that it wasn't Agger's place to question the commitment of his colleagues in public.
The Agger comment that incited the ire of Nicol and Hislop is clearly directed at certain unnamed Liverpool players:
"I think everyone was angry and disappointed, some more than others, but that is the way it is"
Hislop insists that no player should be casting aspersions like that in public:
"I'd be very disappointed with Daniel Agger. This is something that needs to be dealt with in the dressing room at the time, not in the press as publicly as Agger seems intent on doing it.
"First, he says the players are running round like headless chickens, and that says to me that the player's don't really know their roles.
"Whether that's true or not, Kenny will have to sort that out, but then to come out and say that players are not disappointed enough...it's no player's place to come out say that.
"It doesn't matter who it is, whether it's Daniel Agger, Steven Gerrard, or Jamie Carragher. No player should be saying that regardless of their standing at the club".
Amen to that.
Jaimie Kanwar
The Agger comment that incited the ire of Nicol and Hislop is clearly directed at certain unnamed Liverpool players:
"I think everyone was angry and disappointed, some more than others, but that is the way it is"
Hislop insists that no player should be casting aspersions like that in public:
"I'd be very disappointed with Daniel Agger. This is something that needs to be dealt with in the dressing room at the time, not in the press as publicly as Agger seems intent on doing it.
"First, he says the players are running round like headless chickens, and that says to me that the player's don't really know their roles.
"Whether that's true or not, Kenny will have to sort that out, but then to come out and say that players are not disappointed enough...it's no player's place to come out say that.
"It doesn't matter who it is, whether it's Daniel Agger, Steven Gerrard, or Jamie Carragher. No player should be saying that regardless of their standing at the club".
Amen to that.
Jaimie Kanwar
Funny that Agger has the full backing of the fans as he is the only one with the balls to say it......
ReplyDeleteLOL!!! FFS.... If something NEEDS to be sorted out, it is the FACT that players do not know their roles and run around like headless chickens, and some of them (like Downing) look like they cannot be ar$ed to play, and NOT what Agger said a week ago... when we spinelessly and repeatedly dropped points at home against a 'lesser' team.
ReplyDeleteThis is getting ridiculous. Third article about Agger should not have said what he said.
And let's all remember, English is his secong language, so he is being a bit more straighforward in the way he puts his words.
I know what it is. Where all this criticism of Agger derives from: he once told not very nice things about this blog's host's favorite Uncle Woy.
Go on, delete my post as you tend to do it whenever I tell the truth that doesn't suit your agenda.
Steve Nicol started to open his mouth a bit too often about all things LFC. Perhaps he wants a step up from his Boston's New England Revolution and wants Kenny's job? Legend or not, I'd prefer him minding his own business for the time being.
ReplyDeleteWhy should he mind his own business? He has more right than most give his opinion, and I'm sure that fans want to hear it.
ReplyDeleteFans want to hear Agger's opinion too. And other players'. Not only that sugar-coated "we will have to work harder" after poor results.
ReplyDeleteAnd why shouldn't he, say what he said?. These players earn big money, and if they can't be ar*ed to 'kick a ball', till they drop, ( for an hour and a half) than, they shouldn't be playing for Liverpool. Get rid, I'd say!. Good on ya, Agger!!!.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Redchica, you've done far too many articles about this Agger quote and also negative towards Kenny recently, change the record Jaimie. And Nicol can say his opinion, but I do find it funny how he's suddenly piping up I've never seen his comments before. As for Hislop, who cares really? The opinion of a second rate has been that isn't fit to lace Charles Itandje's boots doesn't count to me, he should be talking about West Ham or Newcastle surely?
ReplyDeleteNow see what Agger's comments has created? The media are the ones who are making a meal of it now.
ReplyDeleteIf Agger kept it in house then the media would have nothing to report on.
This problem could have been resolved behind closed doors and if Agger had the balls to pull Kenny and the player/s he has a problem with to one side then the media would have nothing to make a meal out of.
Agger was wrong to make this public. He needs to grow some balls and face the music like a man instead of running to the media about things like this.
kenny is too soft he has to be a bit tougher and change his tactics to succeed in today's football world ..
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, this is the only blog where Agger's comments found any negative reflection. Mirror? Telegraph? Mail? Guardian? TalkSport? various Liverpool blogs? NOTHING, NOWHERE. So there is no hype whatsoever. Except fot this blog. Press was busy with the poppies, and then with a clumsy victory over Spain.
ReplyDeleteSaying Agger has no balls is a joke. If every player at the club had his attitude, we would have been Champions.
Every week you will easily find "pundits" who state a wide range of opinions on every "controversy"
ReplyDeleteMost of these pundits are scratching a living and won't say anything to offend mates in the game, for example Alan Hansen plays golf with Kenny, so will hardly criticise him
How many of these pundits are actually knowledgable of the game?
Aldo said the following about the Agger situation
I don’t know what Kenny Dalglish will have made of his words but
Agger was spot on when he accused the team of playing like “headless
chickens”.
It’s refreshing to know that the frustration we all felt as fans
walking away from Anfield on Saturday was also felt by the players.
Agger is right that if we keep on squandering points at home like that then we won’t finish in the top four this season.
In a contest between the punditry of Hislop, Aldo and Nicol, Aldo wins hands down given that the definition of a pundit is
A pundit is someone who offers to mass media his or her opinion or commentary on a particular subject area (most typically political analysis, the social sciences or sport) on which they are knowledgeable
Surely Aldo is the most knowledgable about the situation, given his proximity and current close ties to the club and fans
Also, remember that Kenny replaced Hislop with Shay Given in 1997/98 season so may have a reason to stir a little
so ur saying a has been has more right to voice their opinion than a present day player, I find the whole thing ironic in that you are supporting the views of people no longer connected to club, get a grip on reality and take notice that Agger actually cares about LFC. He should be commended for speaking his mind, at least he's not just there for the wages.
ReplyDeleteI agree who the fuck is Hislop second rate keeper keep your opinion to your self and keep them for the small clubs you played for
ReplyDeleteRedChica, you will do for me this site is the most negative, bollocks talking, petty, trivial, site I have ever visited,
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter where the news was made, on forums, the media, who agrees or disagrees or whatever.
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing wrong with Agger making it public saying that the team played like headless chickens...
My point is, don't try and cause unrest in the team by pointing fingers at your team mates by saying "some more than others" out in public. If Agger has a personal problem with a player/s then deal with the situation behind closed doors. If he has a personal problem with a player/s then he needs to man up and approach them instead of running to the media about it.
Thing is, he never created any unrest. It's Jaimie or Nicol who think it "might have caused and unrest" - totally out of proportion, imho.
ReplyDeleteMy understanding, when he said "someone was upset more than than the others" was that all players have different personality types and showed their anger at their own performance in a different manner. Some of them might have been angry, swearing and throwing their plastic bottles against the dressing room wall.... Others were more depressed and were quietly polishing their boots after the game, without saying anything. I totally see Reina, Bellamy, Agger, Enrique being vocal and expressive while Hendo and Downing quietly concerned... and Kuyt and Lucas trying to lighten everyone up... and Suarez sitting there and only shaking his head in disbelief.
where's the proof Agger even made his view/opinion public. I knew nothing of this until a certain Jamie Kanwar put it up as news...Jamie you are actually helping the media breed contempt for our club by highlighting what is apparently already in the news lol. By the way when you make an alledged quote should you not publish its source so it can be verified.
ReplyDeletethat is rubbish more right than just b$ll%%%
ReplyDeleteHe his unemployed at the moment!
ReplyDeleteWho are you to tell an ex-LFC player who helped the club win titles that he doesn't have the right to have an opinion? Whether you like it or not, he has more right than you or me to give his view, even if it's critical.
ReplyDeleteGet a grip. Agger's comments were plastered all over the media before I got anywhere near it. His comments were reported by every major media entity in the UK, including every major newspaper. I've merely given my opinion on news that was already out there, and highlighted the reactions of several ex-players. If you can't hack reality, then that's your problem.
ReplyDeleteYou are the one who needs to get a grip. You need to remove your lips from Agger's behind and stop worshipping at his altar. This is the problem with many fans these days: they worship players like they're gods, and if anyone says anything against a player they like they lash out like they have some personal stake in the matter. You need to get over it. Agger is not your mate; he's not a member of your family; and the fact that you suggest he should be 'commended' for his comments just shows that you value the individual over the club.
ReplyDeleteSimon, just because you don't think pundits are knowledgeable about the game doesn't make it so. It's like everything else: if you agree with a pundit's views, then he will be knowledgeable; if you disagree with his views, then all of a sudden he's 'scratching a living' and full of crap. It's the same old lack of objectivity that afflicts most fans.
ReplyDeleteSo what if no other site has taken a critical view; that is just a sad indictment of those other sites, who - like so many fans - don't care about the integrity of the game anymore. And it's not 'negative' - that is such a cliche; it is critical; and the points I've made (and those made my Nicol and Hislop) are totally valid. Just because you have an inability to be objective doesn't mean everyone should be the same. You're so wrapped up in misplaced 'loyalty' for players that you can't see the wood for the trees.
ReplyDeleteWhat Agger said about his team-mates is obviously wrong; you just don't want to accept it because it would mean having to be critical of one of your idols.
Football idolatry is one of the most negative things in modern football. and it's responsible for killing the Liverpool Way. Players are bigger than their clubs these days, and that's the fault of fans. And in Liverpool's case, the misguided support for Agger's comments is another example of fans putting the player higher than the club.
If you and others weren't so blinkered by blind-faith and idolatry you would be able to see the reality: Kenny Dalglish's theme tune since the start of the season has been to keep club business behind closed doors; his rhetoric has been about togetherness, unity and reducing divisions in the team. In almost every press conference this season, he's reiterated all the aforementioned principles, but as soon as a player clearly tramples on those principles, you and other fans lionise him for it?!
Agger has stuck two fingers up at Dalglish, and the Liverpool Way of doing things, and by blindly defending the indefensible, you are doing exactly the same.
Why do you get so angry when someone has a different opinion to you? Why do you defend Agger as if you yourself have been personally slighted? You are too emotionally involved, and that is obvious.
ReplyDeleteMy 'criticism' of Agger is valid: I support Liverpool FC, not Daniel Agger FC, and when a player disrespects the things about LFC that I love, then I don't like it, hence me highlighting his comments, and highlighting the critical views of ex-players.
You can defend Agger till the cows come home - that's your right, but it shows that you prioritise the individual over the club. I will defend the principle of keeping club business behind closed doors, and that shows that I prioritise the club over the individual.
Suggesting that I have some kind of grudge against him because of comments made about Hodgson is, quite frankly, childish.
Jaimie, I've said it a few times on this issue, and I say it again. There is NOTHING about Agger's comments that may inflame any dressing room unrest or anything remotely like this. You have blown this thing totally, ridiculously out of proportion.
ReplyDeleteAnd because I disagree with you on this pointless slamming of Agger (among some other players, as well as KD), you basically go as far as saying that I idolize someone. Yes, Agga is one of my favorite players. And why?? because he 1000% red.
Not because he is a cute boy or I like his tattoos. Although I like them too.
So yes, I am loyal to the players who I see loyal to the club and giving their all during the games.
This allegation that he said a few critical words about the team performance with an intention of creating some unrest, to belittle his teammates, or just to stir the sh*t, is quite frankly, laughable, if not sad.
Keep praying at the crest and slamming the players who plays for it. If that makes sense to you. To me the club is about the people.
In your *opinion* there is nothing wrong; and you feel that way because you have clearly have no concept of the club being bigger than the individual, and you're definitely not being objective. The fact that ex-players agree that Agger's comments were ill-advised also cuts no ice with you, which again shows that you are incapable of being objective.
ReplyDeleteLeaving football aside, it would be inapproriate in any professional workplace to accuse your colleagues of a lack of commitment in public. This is indisputable, but you can continue to worship at Agger's altar if that's what floats your boat.
"Sometimes we looked like headless chickens running around after the ball," Agger said. "It is far from good enough. Everyone was angry and disappointed – some more than others – but that is the way it is."
ReplyDeleteToo much is being made of Agger's comments - he did say that EVERYONE was angry and disappointed. Does anyone really know what the 'some more than others' statement meant? Were some more angry and disappointed because they were the worst performers on the day, or did some of the team really not care?
If the latter is the truth, then this is the most worrying thing for LFC. Who are these players? The whole point of the summer transfer activity was to remove the low quality players who were just happy to pick up a paycheck, and get in some high quality, passionate ones. It is obvious that the summer buys were not of exceptional quality, so the very least we expect is that they wear the red with pride - their potential can then be maximised. If he was referring to existing players, then if they can't be motivated, they will also have to be replaced, sooner rather than later.
he has no more or less right than me to express an opinion or agger for that matter. Nicol was a great footballer but for the last 20 years has plied his trade in usa maybe he has lost touch. if kd thought agger was out of order he would tell him he hasnt so therefore he is okay with it. Agger stated what we all saw and i have no problen with that. I would love to know why agger has upset you so much why he has become your new hate figure and when you will back off.
ReplyDeletethey where you are right but notin a negative way. maybe you lose something in translation of what is said by people it is often difficult to interpret the english language when it is not your mother tongue
ReplyDeleterubbish utter rubbish back to the translation thing perhaps you should have more lessons
ReplyDeletewhy should you opinion be any better than anyone else after all we go to the games and live in the area do you
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have said a word if you didn't put the 3rd article in a matter of 1 week about this non-issue. And no one else would. Like this is the club's main problem at the moment. the poll you put showed that almost 90% disagree with you on this matter. Yet, you keep riding your high horse and use meaningful phrases like "no one is bigger than the club" in vain.
ReplyDeleteLighten up.
Where in the things Agger is 'quoted to have said' does it even mention players who 'did not care enough...'? As I've stated before, that some players care more than others is an objective fact.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what exactly is served by having 'quote after quote' debated endlessly on a daily blog - what really matters is the football.
I think it's clear you are the one who needs to 'lighten up'. I'm not the one desperately defending Agger's honour. I couldn't care less if 90% of fans who voted in the poll disagreed with me; that's their right. It just shows how far standards have fallen, and how scophantic so many fans are these days. Do you really think Agger gives a toss about you? He doesn't, yet you worship him like he's part of your family; completely blind to the obvious negativity of his comment, and how that reflects badly on the club and his team-mates.
ReplyDeleteits 50/50 whos right, fans who support liverpool, whether they go to games or not will feel they have a right to agree or disagree. and rightly so.
ReplyDeletedo we all want to be heard when liverpool have a shocker.
correct me if im wrong but i believe agger loves LFC and emotions probably got the better of him. the disapointment makes you angry some times, and i think agger probably said along the lines wat most of us were thinking.
we beat stoke at there own game with a bit of class in a cup game away from home and we think weve turned the corner, then bam we have another shocker of a game against a team who least wanted it more at home!
id be pi##ed of if i put in a hard shift and half my team mates expected a stroll in the park for 3 points. well said i say, to media or not................call it character building, can only make them stronger willed, its a mans game so to speak
Sometimes it is the truth that hurts; how many times we have seen Liverpool played like a demon possessed with the top four (in the past) and next played like a school boys with a lower teams; this has happened both in the past managers in the era of Houllier, Benitez and Roy. Liverpool must change the mind set and stop to team the one that game after game performing below par. We have some players that can score goals and tireless running throughout the game why not utilize them? Not keep playing the one (player/s) that hoping it will improve in the future. I support and respect Agger guts to speak the truth that hurts.
ReplyDeleteWe cant have under performing players at the club at this stage particularly Lucas who is so much a handicap as singled out by Steve Nicol.
ReplyDeleteAgger was correct and within his rights to say what he did,and also,LFC players/captains etc have said simillar things in the past ! and it was'n't said behind closed doors! If all present LFC players were commited in the same way as Agger the team as a whole would be doing far better ! And by the way,we all support LFC.
ReplyDeleteIncidentally Shakar Hislop is one of the worst commentaters that there are! Boring and lacking knowledge!
Okay so your point is not to worship a player before the club like a GOD. Let me throw it out there: truth, hard work, loyalty and honor, skill, determination, confidence, guts, and perseverance. These are all qualities GOD gave us. Agger shows these qualities, the same qualities that are Liverpool Football Club. Even as a foreigner he bleeds Liverpool, when Liverpool hurt he will hurt.
ReplyDeleteWe are not defending Agger because we worship him, we are simply supporting the honesty that he has shown, something God has given to us all as well as the bravery to show that honesty. Its a disgrace when players show no passion and say the same words in front of the camera like its a drill. How many times have I head Henderson describe his players, the club and staff as "brilliant"? Stop these ridiculous notions on Agger trying to be bigger than the club. Not once he has disrespected the club in his comments, has he called Liverpool dung? NO! He will never do that. His comments were directed to the players; which are also not bigger than the club so why are you in such a twist. I would also like to add that Liverpool are in a new age where my generation has not seen them win a title that I can remember. People forget it was people that help lifted this club to its heights and gave Liverpool world renowned tradition. Agger is capable of playing for Liverpool, he knows what it takes, and what it doesn't take too. And playing like "headless chickens" is what LFC is NOT built on.
Where in the comments Agger is 'quoted' as saying does he imply that some players 'do not care enough'? In fact, he's quoted as saying 'everyone was angry & disappointed,...'; which suggests the very opposite of the misquote. That some players care more than others is an objective fact, as I've stated here before.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly is the purpose of debating 'quote after quote' on a daily blog? What matters is the football.
If Steve Nicol sees LFC's player of year from last season as a handicap, the rest of his opinions will be disregarded as he clear has lost touch with reality.
ReplyDeleteWho the joke are you? You have been going to all fora bad mouthing Lucas. Are you sure he's the one you are watching at all? Do you recognize him on the pitch? What's your beef with him? Are the other guys likeAdam, Henderson and Downing performing better than him now? Do you need help with reading / understanding a game of football? I really am worried for you.
ReplyDeleteOn the SAME DAY Agger was giving his views on the game KENNY was PRAISING AGGER for his PERFORMANCES so don't you think Kenny had allowed Agger to air his views because Agger was playing to the standard needed to play for LFC and the other players need to respond don't you think both interviews are connected?
ReplyDeleteYou could say this website does as much damage to LFC as anybody else's comments being made and you should stand by the Liverpool Way and keep it to yourself.
ReplyDeleteWe are not living in a communist country, so anyone has a right to vent their spleens, as long as it's constructive what's the problem???
ReplyDeleteI have never helped LFC win titles or silverware but my opinion is no less valid than Steve Nichol's or any other pro footballer. Why should it be ? Those players who may take umbrage at Agger's honesty have it in their own hands to do something about it like upping their game. The Liverpool Way of doing things behind closed doors kept Souness in a job for too long. It meant Moores could run LFC like a village cricket club and allow MU ,Arsenal and Chelsea to outsrip us commercially and financially
ReplyDeleteIt's ironic that you mention football idolatry. The fervency you write and defend a club who don't even know you exist is the utmost form of idolatry, is it not?
ReplyDeleteNot at all. I don't blindly defend the club and ignore obvious problems. I've been critical of the club on many occasions, and will continue to be so when its warranted. I don't idolise anyone or anything.
ReplyDeleteNo, it wasn't on the same day; KD's comments surfaced on the official site the morning after Agger's comments. An obvious attempt to put a positive spin on things.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't say he was a handicap in any way, shape or form; he merely suggested that Lucas was part of midfield unit that *collectively* had not scored enough goals.
ReplyDeleteI am interested in what footballers have to say about football. If you don't like this approach then there are plenty of other LFC sites out there posting stuff that may meet your expectations.
ReplyDeleteOnce again: the problem here is you and others refuse to accept that a player questioning the commitment of his colleagues in public is wrong. It is obviously wrong, and would be wrong in any line of work. If Dalglish came out and said: "Everyone in the management team is sad and disappointed about the result, some more than others, but that's the way it is", would that be acceptable?!
ReplyDeleteNo, of course not. He would basically be casting aspersions in public against the commitment of Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen, which is out of order.
Agger has done the same thing, and if you and others had an ounce of objectivity you would see that. As Nicol and Hislop have said, if Agger has a problem with certain players he should say so behind closed doors. This is the way things are done at LFC, and if you refuse to accept that and praise Agger instead, then you are basically lionising the individual over the club, and sticking two fingers up at the Liverpool Way of doing things.
No one is arguing Agger did anything maliciously; no one is doubting his passion; it doesn't matter if he's the most committed player in the world, he shouldn't be airing his personal grievances in public.
Please provide specific examples of 'LFC players/captains etc have said simillar things in the past'.
ReplyDeleteI actually agree that the part 'some more than others' is uncalled for. But what is really annoying an has got a few people's backs up Jaimie is this is now the third article in a week about it, we should now be looking forward to the Chelsea game, not STILL talking about Agger. It's nothing to do with objectivity although it seems when fans on here aren't critical on a daily basis like yourself or see reasons to be hysterical in what Kenny Dalglish says, we are told by you that we have blind passion and no objectivity. Maybe we just don't agree with your point, that's all?
ReplyDeleteThe substance of my post was two questions - how does Agger imply that some players 'do not care enough'? & what purpose is served in debating 'quote after quote'?
ReplyDeleteSo my preferences or 'expectations', as you put it, have nothing to do with what I said... Perhaps you cannot respond in substance to the point I raised.
So what if it's three articles in a week? if you don't like them, you don't have to read them. If it gets peoples backs up then that's not my problem. This has nothing to do with problems over disagreeing with me; I have absolutely no issue with that. It's not me complaining here, it's you.
ReplyDeleteI have posted three articles about this issue because to me, it's a serious issue, and I want to highlight it. No one else in the football press is defending the club against the individual here, and that is just a sad indictment of modern football fans. And when an ex-player actually has the guts to speak out on the issue, he's castigated by so-called 'fans'. Ridiculous.
It is about objectivity: many modern fans have none. They're too emotional, and unwilling to countenance any kind of criticism of the players they deify. Player idolatry is a sickness in modern football; people talk about player power ruining the game, but it's the enabling fans who are the problem. Players have more power these days because of fans fawning all over them; condoning everything they do; never being critical when it matters.
And you and others *still* refuse to accept the dichotomy between KD calling for togetherness; keeping issues behind closed doors etc, and Agger's comments! The manager has specifically stated on numerous occasions that he wants a return to traditional LFC values, and that club business should be conducted behind closed doors!
Yet, fans disrespect Dalglish's wishes too, and the proof of this is they actually praise Agger for making his comments, which shows that they don't really give a toss about the values upon which the club was founded; all they care about is defending the honour of their precious idol Daniel Agger. It really is too ridiculous for words, and these fans need to grow the hell up.
If you cannot see the obvious implications in Agger's comments then I'm not going to waste my time illustrating it. I have better things to do than enter into time-wasting debates about things that are blindingly obvious.
ReplyDeleteHe simply does not imply that some don't care 'enough' - he is quoted as saying 'everybody was angry & disappointed...' That suggests the exact opposite!
ReplyDeleteIf 1000 People thinks u are wrong Jaimie K just accept,
ReplyDeletethere is a say Two heads are better than one
can some one explain to me how what Agger said in an interview, effects anything?
ReplyDeleteCertain players can not believe there luck that they are playing for liverpool, so regardless of the result, they are living the dream.
What agger, in my opinion, was trying to point out, was its not good enough to just play for liverpool, you need to want to win for liverpool. now weather that is said behind closed doors, or in the press, does not make any difference. I for one would rather know that some players are not happy with other players not putting in a shift.
every one wants to paint a false picture of total unity, its a joke. cole and york at man u hated each other, and everybody knew this, did it stop them performing on the pitch, no because they had a job to do and they done it.
this is like a witch hunt, come the end of the season if we don't get 4th everybody will say, its because agger made them comments after the swansea game.
same as all the idiots who think we didn't win the league when we finished second, because rafa made a few comments in an interview about another manager and the FA. The real reason we did not win the league was, we didn't get enough points over the season, its simple.
Agger has also been quoted today "The defender insists there is nowhere he
ReplyDeletewould rather be than at Anfield, adding: "There are no better options
in the world than Liverpool. It is top in every area."
Should be not saying things like this either? Cant have it both ways.
A player who has helped the club, to win titles, in the past, does NOT make him right, in what he says, JK.
ReplyDeleteSo, JK, lets put another way. Let's just say you were among a group, and you were pulling your bo**ocks off, but this one guy, wants to go for a sh*t, every 5 minutes, wouldn't you want to p*ss on him?.
ReplyDeleteSo, JK, lets put another way. Let's just say you were among a group, and you were all working your bo**ocks off, but this one guy, wants to go for a sh*t, every 5 minutes, wouldn't you want to p*ss on him?.
ReplyDeleteNah, I'm not complaining. I don't care enough about your article enough to write 5 paragraphs on other people's views. Each to their own. One article on Aggers comments where enough though and then leave it there, move on. But if you want to keep re-visiting old ground a few times a week then that's fine. As I said I agreed with you but my views and opinions aren't swayed by the colour of a shirt, I'm better then that. In any walk of life whether it's my friends or girlfriend, I'll tell them my opinion and won't wear rose tinted glasses. Just because fans don't always agree with you it doesn't mean that they formulate an opinion because of their allegiances, although sometimes it does. I find your opinion of me quite insulting really when all I did was state that your revisiting old ground a bit too often pal.
ReplyDeleteWho said that JK is a true red?, not me!.
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly what's so sad about you JK, you always think that, you're right, even when 90% disagree, with you. You really need to get a grip!!!.
ReplyDeleteCritical? on may occasions?......Like ALWAYS.
ReplyDeleteReally Jaime, you're so full of sh*t, when it suits your agenda.
ReplyDeleteokay, I'm sorry to have tarred you with the same brush.
ReplyDeleteYou have to ask yourself though why you felt the need to highlight the fact I posted three articles about Agger. Why did it bother you so much? Why did you feel compelled to (mildly) belittle my views as 'negative', when I was simply reporting what ex-players had said about a newsworthy issue?
It must be because you felt - on some level - personally offended by the criticism of Agger, and you must feel that way because you're too emotionally invested in the player.
Lots of posters on this site - including yourself - make the same points over and over again about players, tactics etc; you don't see me telling them to change the record and talk about something else. I might disagree with them but it's up to them what points they make.
And for the 100th time: it has nothing to do with people disagreeing with me. That is irrelevant here. I stated my views; you and others started complaining about article frequency etc, not me. You could've just argued against the points raised by Nicol and Hislop. It's always the same old thing: focus on the person instead of the argument being made; it should be the opposite.
No it's because I enjoy reading your articles and believe that rather then writing about Agger again I'd like to see you write about something else, that's all. I don't like sayin the same points over an over. On this site I see the same people writing 'Lucas is crap' 'Adam is crap' 'Carroll is crap' 'bring Benitez back' all the time. I like something different I'll say my point an debate it, then move on. An that's it, not due to a personal thing with Agger, he's not my mrs.
ReplyDeleteThe Liverpool Way of doing things is winning, bottom-line. To be the best you got to act like the best. Shankly said himself that "For a player to be good enough to play for Liverpool, he must be prepared to run through a brick wall for [him] then come out fighting on the other side." And in some players the body language and tempo don't signify that.
ReplyDeleteKeeping these kind of things behind the door is not right. Its different if a player's name is mentioned because I consider that mutiny and treason, but what Agger is saying is a hidden message to the players that are not performing. You think Agger has put words in our mouths because of what he has said publicly. I was watching this match live, and I told my own Pops that Liverpool look like "headless chickens". I swear and type to God that I used that exact phrase also.
"I think EVERYONE was angry and disappointed, some more than others, but that's the way it is." I think this comment is getting blown out of proportion compared to the headless chickens opinion. He clearly says he thinks everyone is angry. When you have a whole team of guys that are angry, some players would be more so than others. Agger may punch a hole in the wall and Downing will quench his anger and say he will work harder while Carroll is cursing negatively to himself for being so..........
Agger is letting these players have a point to prove now; if they sulk about what has been said in public then they shouldn't even be wearing the red shirt period.
Like ALWAYS!!!.
ReplyDeleteIf Gerrard or carra came out and said what Agger said he would be praised and you jamie would not hit out at them
ReplyDeleteDon't talk nonsense. You clearly have no idea about the history of this site. I have been critical of Gerrard and carragher for their public statments many times. It doesn't matter who Made the statement; I still would've highlighted it.
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