13 Nov 2011

NICOL: Downing, Henderson, Lucas and Adam are LFC's 'biggest problem'...

Former Liverpool right-back Steve Nicol has called on Stewart Downing, Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam to raise the level of their performances over the next few weeks, arguing that their creative return so far this season has not been good enough.

Nicol acknowledged that Andy Carroll has flattered to deceive in front of goal, but he believes the profligacy of Liverpool's midfielders is a bigger problem:

"For me, the biggest problem is the midfield. Between Downing, Henderson, Adam and Lucas, you've got 3 goals in all competitions this season, and that's just not good enough.

"Goals win games and they're not scoring enough goals. Goalkeepers are coming to Anfield and walking home with bottles of champagne for man of the match, but that's not any good to Liverpool.

"They need to get themselves into the penalty box more. The Swansea game was a great example: lots of balls into the box, but there was only Carroll there. Somebody has to get into the box, and unless they do that, there's not going to be enough goals from the midfield.

"The fact that they're making chances and not taking them is a good thing compared to last season, but at the end of the day, they're trying to get into the champions league, and unless they stat scoring goals, that's not going to happen".


Charlie Adam aside (he has 2 goals and 4 assists so far this season), Nicol is clearly right: irrespective of the reasons why, 3 goals from 4 midfielders in 15 games is not an acceptable return, and this needs to change asap if Liverpool are going to move up the table.

Jaimie Kanwar


140 comments:

  1. "[...]lots of balls into the box, but there was only Carroll there. Somebody has to get into the box[...]"
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    Exactly. This has been our main problem for years and is the feature I recall most often from our matches - whenever we attack, we only have 1 player in the box, and the rest are not even close to there - they're spread to flanks and somewhere between the box and the centre, but not in any position to be a threat to defence.
    We did have exceptions, and it was then that we performed well as attacking force. But those exceptions took place when we had Benayoun and Meireles, and selling them and then wasting 18 mil. on the likes of Henderson will get you nowhere.

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  2. It's not difficult to know that Lucas is one of them. Steve Nicol just said it. His knowledge of the game is highly respected. 'Livmad' will agree with me.

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  3. Downing, Henderson and Adam are capable of scoring goals but Lucas has been woeful at it since he joined LFC.

    Lucas must start delivering goals too seeing that he has been at the club much longer than the new boys.

    How many goals has he actually scored in his four years at the club?

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  4. Also, how many goals has Lucas created in his four years at LFC? Does anyone know?

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  5. Anyone else who wants to say Nicol is wrong about Lucas, who's a Biscan no.2. Obviously he cannot come out and say he's crap but read between the line for those so-called lucas fans with no ambition.  Thank you Nicol, we have been spoon feeding theses players for too long and need to expose them asap.

    What made me laugh was some fans who phoned in on the lfc channel suggested lucas should be classed as a legend...haha.  I think for some of the fans who were not around in the 80's do not know the standard we need to set for liverpool football.. Look at man utd who are playing like Liverpool did in the 80's, I think we need to follow them and learn from grass root level.

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  6. You cannot have 4 creative midfielders who all look to make late runs into the box or attack areas near goal, where is our holding midfielder? who is protecting the back four? This Lucas bashing is out of order - he was an atacking midfielder but his role is to break up play and marshall the middle - he should chip in here or there but sureley the emphasis should be on Downing, Henderson and Adam as the attacking threat who lack the end product?

    When we play we look very rigid and no one makes those clever runs into goalscoring positions or pulls defences out losing markers, Downing and Henderson both look so static and predicatable which is why maybe Maxi Bellamy and Kuyt should be starting untill they can prove they are able.

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  7. center mid for lp have no teeth, you need toughness the likes of el russo perez for Uruguay this man wont score but he sets up players and people are afraid of him cuz he is a take no prisoners stile player, kind of gattuzzo. 

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  8. Whilst I agree in the most part, I don't remember Claude Makelele contributing too many goals (widely regarded as the greatest holding midfielder). I'm not comparing Lucas to him, but creating and scoring goals is not his role.

    The Booter

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  9. Ro - Steve Nicol named 4 midfielders who are not contributing to goals. 3 are attacking midfielders, one has a defensive role. You have read between the lines and decided to point out Lucas's lack of goals but have not said anything about a 20 million ATTACKING winger who has not created an assist or a goal so far this season, but your laying blame at Lucas who cost 5 million and has been converted to a Defensive midfielder player.

    our own fans need to grow up a little, yes Lucas is not the best in his position but you dont hear too much slating of Mikel, Nigel De Jong, Scott parker or other DFMD for their lack of goals.

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  10.  Charlie Adam and Downing are not cutting the mustard i am sure Downing can improve and needs to.
    I think its time to get Henderson into a central role where he is more suited and get Bellamy operating on the right that is of course if Gerard is absent.

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  11. Agree!. You only have to look, when we are going forward, there's only a couple of plers, in the box, why???.

    You watch other teams in the same situation, and you'll see, what I am talking about, why is that Kenny?. you're the manager, take the shackel's off, and let's start scoring, isn't that what's it's all about?.

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  12. Well said. The engine room is the engine room.  the best teams rely on their wide players and 'drop off striker' or the bulk of their creativity.  If our wide men instilled fear into the opposition and actually chipped in people would be praising the work of our central midfield.  At the moment we only have genuine creativity from our 'drop off striker' and until we address this the way Man Utd have over the last 20 years we will always fall short.

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  13. Adam has 4 assists and 2 goals. Not cutting the mustard? He is our joint second top scorer and 1 assist behind Suarez.

    I agree that Henderson needs to be in the center. Clearly he is not a winger and I would also play Bellamy down the right as Kuyt has done nothing this season to justify a place in the starting 11. 

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  14. The whole team is not performing well except for Suarez, Enrique, Kelly and Bellamy ...... but I hink it's more down to the formation rather than the players.

    We need more steel and firepower in midfield and stop being so predictable with this shitty 4-4-2 formation .....

    We should go for a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation, like this;

    ---------------------Reina--------------------

    ---Johnson----Skrtel-------Agger----Enrique---

    --------------Spearing-----Lucas--------------

    -----Bellamy---------Gerrard-------Suarez-----

    ----------------------Kuyt---------------------

    Bench// Doni/Carra/Kelly/Adam/Maxi/Downing/Carroll

    I would loan Henderson to a PL team for the rest of the season, getting him experience playing in central midfield ....

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  15. Totally agree re Adam - he is doing his bit. I should've put a line in the article about that; I'll add it later.

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  16. bang on with the 4-2-3-1 ... it offers much more fluidity (much like end of last season),

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  17. wats ur f****** problem lucas has finnaly been great at his position some lfc fans sicken me how would u like to try being drafted into lfc team from brazil and his job is not to score goals its too neutralize top players like mata,    lamps, nani, rooney, and break up play lucas has given is all for the team every time he plays and never gets injured if lucas ever leaves i give him my vote of confidence because he has never been appreciated at this club and never will be

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  18. another disgraceful scumbag fan who underrates lucas

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  19. also who averages the most tackles in the epl lucas u scumbag

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  20. Gerrard and Carra still seem to be injured so if it had to be 4231 for the next match I would go for

                   Reina

    Kelly   Skrtel   Agger   Enrique

            Lucas      Adam

     Bellamy Henderson Downing

                  Suarez

    Doni, Johnson, Coates, Kuyt, Maxi, Spearing, Carroll 

    When needed Bellamy and Downing can change sides and I reckon Henderson could link up well with Suarez.

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  21. Well said...its always"" lets blame Lucas "" with these people ....they probably blame Lucas when their girlfriends get pregnant

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  22. This is your last warning: if you hurl anymore insults around you will be banned.

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  23. I do not have a major problem with Lucas, nobody should be immune to criticism. As you can see he is in my side in my post at the bottom.

    I do however feel after four years he should be getting forward a bit more, even if he can just contribute with creating goals it will be appreciated.

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  24. Mali341...

    So much for you blaming our players this season...

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  25. Half of Adams goals for us have come from a penalty.

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  26. How many has Lucas scored and created this season? Get off your high horse please.

    Adam put his penalty away, sometimes penalties aint easy to score. Just go ask Kuyt how missed his this season...

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  27. many times before i said it , lucas not good enough for liverpool, he is not type LFC players like ronnie whelan,jan molby,steve mcmohan,sounness,jamie redknapp, hamann,danny murphy,xabi alonso, momo sissoko,mascherano,,,,we needs DM more stronger, creative, more cool,can score,someones who can be playmaker and engine room in midfield....spearing is more better than lucas,,,agree with Ro 03.22 PM

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  28. -----------------Reina

    Jonson---- Skrtel---- Agger ----Enrique

    ----------------Lucas

    -----------Henderson Adam


    --------Downing    Carroll   Suarez


    Id go with this formation.  Mainly because:

    *Henderson gets to play in the middle. 

    *Adam plays in the same formation he has excelled in for blackpool and scotland for the last 2-3 years = (less running!)

    *Downing plays on the right of three forwards.  A position he clearly excelled in last season

    * Carroll plays in the central slot flanked constantly by two wide men.  He scored his 1st goal for England in this formation and looked reasonable.  He also scored 20+ goals for Newcastle in the Champion chip in this formation and the bulk of his premiership goals

    *Suarez is a genius who will excel in any forward position unlike the rest of our recent signings.  His trickery out wide is exactly what we need right now.

    *Most Importantly Steve Clarke won the flipping league with Chelsea using this formation so he knows it inside out. Why re-invent the wheel?

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  29. Champion chip? my local chippy

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  30. Isn't your formation still going to leave Lucas "exposed" lol :) 

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  31. The player with the top no: of tackles in EPL, La liga, Bundesliga, Serie A and Ligue 1 is Lucas!

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  32. lucas has been constantly been instructed to play a holding midfield possition since he joined, its common knowlege, even a smart #ss like you should know that. the few times he has been let forward hes looked good.
    but unfortunatly you have a short memory lol

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  33. So in your opinion we need a Defensive Midfielder who is strong, creative, cool, scores, acts as a playmaker and has an engine ??? hahahahaha ... anything else to add in your expectancy of a Defensive midfielder ? How about dribbling?

    What I dont understand is how an ex LFC player makes a point about a lack of goals and creation from midfield, and everyone jumps on the back of Lucas! As if that is his role within the team! Not only is it masking the lack of return from the other midfielders (Adam aside) but also completley disregards what Lucas does for this club.

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  34. get with the times, not one player the same. hes a good player most the time. pick on someone who deserves it

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  35. I blame Kenny for paying over the odds which is a fact....i would say the same about Lucas if we had paid 20million for him. since he only cost 5million he is doing a job worth much more than what we paid for him .

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  36. There we go.... people are on the "Lucas is sh*t" bandwagon again.

    Not good enough for LFC, but good enough to play for Brazil, yes?

    Not enough goals. Not spectacular enough. Jesus wept.

    And who's been disrupting all the attacks? who's been working his socks off to save the games? No appreciation. Mascherano never had any either, until he left the club. And after that he suddenly became a missing link.

    Well, Lucas can only do that much. He can't be both Mascherano AND Alonso combined. So he does what he does best: ruins the oppositions chances. Disrups their game. If he starts shooting on goal, which is not his strongest point (and let's be fair, not his task! we have wingers and forwards for that), opposition will have more goal kicks our way. This is not what we want, is it. I'd really prefer Adam didn't shoot on goal either, because he only traumatizes people in the row Z.
    And it's not Lucas's fault that he has to be busy trying to clean up after Adam and Downing when they get disposessed way too easily.

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  37. I would go with my formation for the following reasons.

    *Lucas will have another "holding midfilder" next to him then no other players can be blamed for leaving "gaping holes" or "exposing" Lucas in our midfield :)

    *Downing and Bellamy can move from left to right to spice up things.

    *Henderson still gets to play in the middle, he did pretty well "behind the striker" in preseason.

    "Suarez can concentrate on scoring more goals instead of drifting out wide, that we can leave to Bellamy and Downing.

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  38. good formation, but the reason our midfield isnt scoring goals (aside from Adam) is that 3 of our midfield players who were great at scoring goals no longer play for one reason or another.  Miereles: was for some reason forced out despite his excellent play last term (and I say forced out b/c his was not given a contract increase... he was making less than Henderson who is clearly wayyyy better than!); Maxi: cant get a game, which is an atrocity given the way Henderson plays... or doesnt play; and Gerrad: well... our loyal fearless leader is always injured. 

    Furthermore, I should state people really should layoff the Lucas Hating... I mean two seasons ago I would have been right there with you, but the past two seasons Lucas has been stellar in his holding midfield position.  If you are still hating on Lucas you clearly are not watching any Liverpool games.  YNWA

    Nuff Said

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  39. You are being very brave mali341 for blaming Kenny and his signings after 11 EPL matches this season.

    Where will you hide when these players start finding second gear? If only 3 or 4 of the chances Downing has created could have been converted into goals by his team mates so far and his 3 shots that have rattled the woodwork could have gone in with some luck then obviously you would have nothing to say?

    I for one hope that our "overpriced" stars shut your mouth for once and for all :)

    Lets see if you will be leaving any comments in the coming months...

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  40. RedChica

    We have played 442 this season. Lucas will be exposed as Adam pushes forward hence him being an attacker.

    If we play 4231 with 2 holding midfielders then there will always be somebody to baby Lucas.

    Is it ok for me to say that all Adam needs to do is attack and it is not his job to defend? Clearly you are wrapping Lucas in a soft blanket by saying it is "not his task" to attack? I wonder what will happen once we have another defensive midfielder to challenge him for his position?

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  41. I am only for the competition in the squad, and for players to be motivated by the idea that their places in the first team are not safe is they do not perform.

    What I disagree with is an ongoing unfair slamming of Lucas for not scoring goals. Sure I would prefer him score some. I'd prefer Glen Johnson and Agger score some too. Even Carragher (has he EVER scored??). Fair enough, Lucas does not score and he is maybe not really good at it. But it is totally unfair on him to suggest that he is not good enough at his main task, or that he lacks commitment.

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  42. My point is, you are saying that it is totally unfair to blame Lucas for not scoring goals because he is a DM but you take a swipe at Adam who is an attacker and attackers are usually not the geratest of defenders?

    Double standards I would say?

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  43. So if downing has created chances and others haven't put them away...so has Lucas ..and if Lucas was so craap then why does kk keep picking him.

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  44. Red4life - No one is babying Lucas - but how can bloggers have a go at out defensive midfielder when Stevie Nicol is questioning the creative aspect of our midfield? Yes sure Lucas needs to chip in but we have people posting absurd expectancies of the lad who most fans agree does a great job for us.

    You need to understand the difference between 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 and what they offer before you make comments on being exposed. The latter is more controlled and there is a larger number of players in the middle meaning a higher chance of ball retention and also less chance of opposing attacking midfielders by passing onto the back four who have greater protection.

    People have argued 4-2-3-1 is pragmatic - but not when you have the quality of the forward quartet to create - 2008/09 we were top scorers with this formation and had a great defensive record, and it also seems to be working for Man City who again have the quality and fluidity upfront to score loads of goals but equally importantly keep it tight at the back.

    Mascherano did a great job for us, but he had Alonso next to him (so in your opinion was Alonso always Babying Mascherano??????)... and having two holding midfielders (one to break up play, and the other to link up play between defence and attack) worked as they BOTH COULD HOLD THEIR POSITION - You only on occasion saw Alonso in the final third but, his area was the center of the field -  Now as Adam clearly joins attacks what do you think happens when he loses possesion, or we get countered? Lucas is then drawn to the ball and then we have gaps all over the place, we have seen the opposition onto our back four very easily this season and it is the naivity playing that midfield that is causing it - there is no control for the full 90mins.

    Any player with clever movement will cause damage to our midfield - Modric already did earlier this season, Silva and Mata may also do the same if we indeed play 4-4-2 in the next few games.

    LFC fans need to wake up, it is not just the goals that are lacking at the moment - defensivley we are a frail side and do not control the midfield as well as we can and should be doing

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  45. I didn't take a swipe at Adam being bad at defending. I mentioned him being easily dispossessed of the ball. It's not quite the same.
    I can also add some clumsiness and wastefulness on goal and sometimes (a bit too often for my liking) misplaced long passes and as a result, more chances for opposition  to start their attack with either a goal kick or throw-in.

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  46. If you take away the great solo penalty that Charlie Adam took...then Adams record is as good as Enriques who also has two assists and one goal from open play. lets go further even Skrtl has the same amount of goals as Adam from open play....if Lucas took every corner..free kick and penalty am sure he could rival Adams great record

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  47. totally agree, some folks posting on this article clearly understand football and associated tactics, and then, well, there are those who just don't get it at all. I have lost count of the times Adam has given the ball away cheaply, if anything it is Lucas who is baby sitting the attacking players, forever clearing up the messes they create, hardly surprising he has no time to score goals. Adam is one of the laziest LFC players I have seen for a long time, its like he plays on merit cos of his price tag and less to do with passion.

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  48. How can anyone blame Lucas for not getting into the final third or scoring goals when there are players whose primary duty is to score goals and were even overpriced for this assignment.  How may goals has makelele scored in his entire carreer? Mascerano? Buskets? Flamini? Gattuso? For Christ sake we paid 35m quid for Carrol; 20m quid for Downing etc why should any right thinking person now blame Lucas for our scoring woes? Please you haters of Lucas should look closely at some of the English rubbish that were added to the squad for the answer to our problems. Leave Lucas alone.  We already know he is not English.

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  49. I agree with your comment about Adam.  He is Lazy, slow and clumsy.  Cannot run with the ball, goes for the spectacular long balls which most times don't get to the intended destination.  He should take a cue from Enrique on how to make these long passes. Lucas for me and most discerning fans is way above Adam.

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  50. You seem to miss my point about Lucas being babyed.

    When we play 442 with Adam the attacker and Lucas the DM then Adam will go on the attack which leaves Lucas "exposed" as they say. People then hurl all types of crap at Adam for not helping out Lucas. But what do they expect Adam to do then just sit back all the time and help out Lucas when Lucas is the DM.

    If we play two holding midfielders in a 4231 then it would suite Lucas more as there are two players sitting back helping out our defence.

    You say that we are fine defensively and I agree, we have conceded less than Chelsea BUT WHY THEN ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT ADAM LEAVING LUCAS EXPOSED?

    Can you answer on behalf of the people who keep on saying Adam leaves gaping holes in our defence?

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  51. What is your point?

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  52. Only Gerrard does that lol.  Wheres Carroll in your starting line up anyway.  I thought he had your 100% backing.

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  53. Lucas needs to be able to score and create goals before you can say that he will rival Adam's "great record" :) which have been very few and far between since Lucas joined LFC...

    To not make things too complicated for you, let's rather leave Lucas to his defensive duties :) and Adam to score and create some more goals which I can guarantee he will :)

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  54. "I've never said anything negative about Lucas"

    Really?

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  55. Carroll does have my 100% backing. If my formation was 4-4-2 then Carroll will be in it but 4231 I would have him on the bench and bring him on later...

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  56. Lampard and Ballack never left Makelele exposed when they were winning all those titles.  I think that's because they are a tad more tactically aware than Gerrard and don't just bomb forward willy nilly.  I expect Adam and Henderson to be able to follow tactical instruction for more than 35mins unlike the great but tactically weak Gerrard.

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  57. Good, seeing that Kuyt and Suarez have bothed missed!

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  58. I have not said we are fine defensivley - I believe we are frail and less solid then we used to be due to the middle of the park and not having an element of control there.

    Intricate quick passing and movement showed us up in the middle  against Tottenham (Adam and Lucas could not cope with Modric and his movement and quick shifting of the ball) - Chelsea and City may cause a similar scenario (with Adam and Lucas trying to pick up Silva or Mata) as these teams have players who offer a lot of movement and find pockets of space, now if Adam never lost the ball or misplaced a pass there is no danger but if he drifts into the final third then Lucas is shielding a back four with players breaking then it causes an issue. How can you not see that? Midfield is bypassed, central defenders drawn out, through on goal ...

    Consider Steven Gerrard, his two finest seasons came through his role on the right, and then off the central striker despite his own preference and also the popular consensus (Andy bloody Gray) that his best position was a box to box midfielder. Rafa quickly recognised he could not hold his position and tended to drift around the pitch leaving gaps and thus a more difficult job for the partnering midfielder so employed him elsewhere allowing Alonso / Sissoko and then Alonso / Mascherano to act as HOLDING MIDFIELDERS. The Godfather of tactics in recent decades, Arrigo Sacchi, once said of Gerrard that he lacked positioning and how to move within a collective - this is exactly what I am talking about and that was reflected by Rafa using him out of midfield to create control in the middle - For me using Adam in that midfield offers less control and only someone who understands tactics would agree with me.

    Kenny has moved to 4-4-2 as he has two expensive strikers to accomodate and that is ok as long as there is chemistry and they are scoring or creating between them but lets face facts here, there is no sign that the partnership is working so moving to this formation has not proved to be the attacking threat we all hoped it might therefore playing that extra man upfront is redundant. We are very rigid compared to last year, I just wish Kenny would use Spearing more along with Lucas - he has the personnel but he has tried to change too much too quickly and it is not coming together as well as it should.

    Next three games will define our season, if City win the next two games and we lose the next two we will be 18 pts away from the top after only 13 games... hell of a distance for a side that people said may challenge...

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  59. Lets leave Suarez out of this...if Suarez missed 100pens even then he more than makes up for it by scoring from open play...are you on about the same Kuyt who is involved in 23% of all Liverpool goals since arriving

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  60. -----------Carroll------------
    Bellamy----Suarez----Downing
    --------Adam--Lucas--------
    Enrique-Agger-Coates-Johnson
    -----------Reina-------------

    Have Bellamy and Downing to cut in to the box for wide positions instead of running down to the byline, and let Enrique and Johnson do that job. Problem solved. I don't play Henderson here because I don't think he is good enough, but he can operate in the middle or on the wing if needed. When Gerrard is back I would try taking a better advantage of his versatillity and use him on the wing when everyone else is fit. We desperately need 3 new signings in january/summer > Left wing, right wing and a striker. Then we are all set!

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  61. He's right about Adam too.

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  62. Totally agree. Adam has been merely ok - for me, his deficiencies are far too obvious for him to be considered a long-term midfield mainstay if we're going to actually try to get back in the CL.

    Just the thought of him doing his usual 'badly-timed lunge' routine against even a half-decent European side fills me with dread.

    And if you're going to praise his goals, it's safe to assume that Stevie will take the pens when he comes back, so Chipshop Charlie will have to make do with getting lucky and lashing in more shots off defenders' arses, รก la the Wolves game.

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  63. Even looking at Newcastle's Tiote, he's way better than Lucas. Yes, he breaks the play, but also strides forward and not only passes BACK OR SIDEWAYS!!!!!

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  64. ADAM IS NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS!!!!!!

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  65. what lucas is doing is a defender's job, if one is simply to block and tackle and his sole aim is to prevent opposition's play then he should be a defender. For a midfielder he should have vision goin forward and dictating the game's pace and movent, Lucas is awesome doing defender's dirty work but he is not goin forward enough doing a midfielder's role. now I KNOW you will say he is a defensive midfielder, but if that's DM's thing then why do you have to play 4 players behind him for the same propose. the problem is this : Lucas is clinging on to one of the MF spot and that spot is not doing enough goin forward , this is always goin to weaken the pressure exerted by LFC goin forward and there is always a player less in the opposition field. and for Henderson, the blame is attached to king kenny himself, he should not be playing a player out of his favoured place in expense of kyut who has been doing so well helpin the forward. See this is the example , if lucas is replaced by henderson and kyut restored to wings then LFC will be a fresh breath of life. PLUS I really think CARA is holding lfc back. and LFC is using far too many player covering CARA's weakness.

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  66. best way to play is like rafa's team 3 central midfielder and a quick striker (suarez should be able to do it) 442 is too old school. Attacking players are fast nowadays (Even Swansea players are fast) when you play with two central they both need to be fast and strong" 442 only against defensive team

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  67. LUCAS IS INCAPABLE OF SCORING GOALS,his shot (what shot?) is weak & useless.His weak passes are the same but they find their target! But that's because he does'n't pass the ball more than 5 yards!

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  68. ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!! Someday everyone will wake up to these comments!

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  69. He's another xabi Alonso hey !  Ha Ha!

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  70. BTW mali341, can you point out the match where Enrique has scored a goal from open play?

    It seems he has registered 0 goals this season.

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  71. Henderson

    Playing like crap but its only because he is played out of position on the wing. Lets play him in central and see what he can do.

    Downing

    Not the best winger but he did some very good crosses that may have counted as assists if kuyt and caroll had converted them. He also hit the woodwork at least 3 times.

    Adam

    He is not gerrard but he is our best creative player we got in the team. As jaimie stated he had 4 assists and 2 goals to his name so far and at least he can score a penalty unlike most players we`ve got.

    Lucrap

    The GREATEST liability of our midfield. He is said to be the most consistent player we have by some fans and I have to admit that I can`t disagree with them. His stats so far are 0 assists and 0 goals and these numbers have been really consistent for the past 4 seasons he played for us. 

    Kenny should change his tactics soon or we are gonna get really distanced from the cl places.

    1. Top priority is to drop lucas
    2. Then henderson should be played in central as he is no wide man. He had the 3rd most chances created from the middle. Why change and put him wide just to accomodate lucas?
    3. Play downing on the RIGHT. He was player of the season at aston villa playing there. Again why change?
    4. Adam partners henderson until gerrard comes back. adam/henderson or adam/gerrard is the best central mid combination we`ve got.
    5. Play maxi in left. He did great there last season scoring hat tricks
    6. Bellamy plays upfront with suarez. Caroll is not ready yet. He should first go cut his tail which makes him look even more like a donkey.
    7. When january comes they should listen to the fans and buy world class players to replace those mediocre british shits that was bought for ridiculously inflated prices. Our whole midfield sucks because of them. Loan the likes of henderson and caroll until they become worthy enough of playing for us.
    8. Follow all the 7 steps above

     

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  72. Madness

    Al you have done is written something I already know...

    Here is how i see it.

    4-4-2 does not suite a player like Lucas. Lets face it, all he does 90% of the time is tackle. 4-4-2 requires 2 box to box central midfielders. Lucas is not a box to box midfielder end of the story. Here are a few inetersting stats...

    Before the Swansea match Adam covered the most ground this season out of any other player that has featured for LFC this season... 104,702 metres. Not sure if he is still in the lead but it shows that he is working his socks off. Adam had made 19 interceptions before the Swansea match too. Adam has still made the second most successful tackles in our team and his success rate is higher than that of Lucas.

    At Anfield I would not use Lucas if we are going to carry on using the 4-4-2 formation. I would play Henderson alongside Adam at home, that is until Gerrard returns then I would play Gerrard alongside Adam. The most important thing when playing Henderson alongside Adam or Gerrard alongside Adam would be to keep possesion. If we keep possesion then we do not need a dedicated tackler. At home we should be killing teams off but it is fair to say that Anfield is not what it used to be, not just this season but many season before this one too. The only way we are going to kill teams of at Anfield is to keep possesion, attack and score goals. I do not mind us conceding at home, as long as we score more than what we concede then it should not be an issue.

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  73. How many goals did Mascherano score for Liverpool? Or, for that matter, Alonso? Lucas plays in a holding midfield position and, unless you change his position, he cannot be expected to score any more goals than Mascherano or Alonso were. 

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  74. Good point Madness. I would go one step further to say that Lucas superior to most players in his position in the EPL.

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  75. I disagree hemanta. Mascherano, a great player for Liverpool, was not a playmaker either; that was the role of Alonso at the time. Today, Adam is the one who has to dictate the game for Liverpool, not Lucas. I actually think that the problem is not the personnel but the tactics.

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  76. I agree with you daboy, Henderson should have a central role in the team. Although I am not a big fan of Downing, I think he will deliver the goods if the team selection and tactics are right.

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  77. True to the last word. Lucas is the new Mascherano/Hamman. Lucas has always done his job on the field. Henderson should not be anywhere in LFC XI, instead we need play Maxi.

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  78. LUCAS IS NOT A NATURAL CDM, before he came to liverpool he was very much an attacking midfielder @ gremio. rafa reinvented him and as a result, you guys have catre blanche to leave these comments ridiculing him. BLAME RAFA!! he did it with kuyt, babel and lucas. 

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  79. And where have u got this stat....brazilscat.com or bullshit.com!! People like u dont deserve to be lfc fans.....no ambition or winning mentality, sad!

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  80. What has happend to football knowledge? Do you actually have any? A holding midfielder is normally regarded as the unsung hero of a team - A Claude Makelele is a fine example, someone who does all the Dirty work breaking up play and containing the opposition. Dietmarr Hamman was regarded as an Unsung Hero who in all his years never had a great goal return but fans acknowledged his role within the team - Why is this different for Lucas? His is a constant scapegoat

    You say his passing is weak and he doesnt pass more than 5 yards. Again you have no idea about football, a holding midfielder normally positions themselves in front of the back four and will play near the middle of the pitch - THE MOST CONGESTED area, congested and therfore dangerous if passes are intercepted in that area as we can be countered. They often have the job of linking play between the defence and attack but must be careful about losing possession hence the short (often safe) passes (this is a philosophy Barcelona and Spain play with based on ball retention in and out of possesion). If Lucas was playing "hollywood" passes once he picked the ball up from the back line then we would not retain the ball and there is a higher risk of being caught.

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  81. hemanta - the defensive midfielder is always the unsung hero, always. There is no glamour or wow factor attached to what they do which is why people always demand more but only because they fail to analyse what they bring to the team.

    I think what a lot of fans do is fail to make the distinction between a defensive midfielder and a box to box midfielder. Souness, Matthaus, Fernando Redondo, Viera, Essien, Danielle De Rossi are all examples of box to box and players who scored and got forward but players like Deschamps, Makelele, Diego Simeone, Mikel, De Jong are defensive midfielders - there to break up play.

    Lucas has the role to break up play, and he does not get any praise for it.

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  82. You could also argue LFC fans would not slate a player who was voted as the player of the season previously and also acknowledged by the club captain.
    (especially when the point of this article is to debate the creative aspect of our midfield and our so called fans think the best target and culprit for a lack of goals and assists this season is our defensive midfielder. Madness.)

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  83. Dude did you see the build up to the goal against West Brom? Lucas intercepted the ball and I'm sure he passed more than 5 yards to Suarez who then lay off to Carroll to finish.

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  84. They are not really creative players.

    Meireles was but he is history, Liverpool must find someone else.

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  85. you and Jamie are blind.   Sorry, there's no other way to put it.

    Adam who is clearly Jamie's love child is hopeless.  His job is to score some of those goals and get into the box following play - which he rarely does essentially because he's not very mobile.  

    He either drifts forwards 'somewhere' and can't get back, or doesn't bother because he's not mobile.  He is 1/10 of a Stevie G, 1/5 of a Meireles.

    One of his goals was a penalty, that he wouldn't let Carroll (the striker) take, the other a deflection from outside the box.  Not good enough.  A couple of decent passes per game is not enough for that position - any midfielder can do that.  

    Henderson in one game in that position would displace him permanently that much is clear.

    As for Lucas, we would be over run without him there.  He has learnt to read the game really well and does a great job protecting the back 4.  His job isn't to get forwards but support the runs of the other midfielders by covering behind.  He even covers DAgger's runs forward.  That's just aswell because he doesn't really have an eye for goal, Rafa knew what he was doing.

    Also, I think he will develop his passing game even more, which is already in evidence, and in a couple of seasons he will be pretty much the complete defensive midfielder/playmaker.  

    Swansea over ran us because they played 5 in midfield and have fast wingers.  Lucas can't do it all himself, Hendo doesn't protect the wing and Adam is no use against that either and a good team passes around the DMs - that isn't a Lucas failing, it's how you're supposed to play.

    Instead of building on a team of elders, FSG have gone for a rebuild.  EVeryone north of the defence is new bar Lucas.  So these players have to create a system, not fit into an existing one, discover mistakes and put them right.  

    That takes a season or two to really get right.  A few extra chances put away would make all the difference and that's much more down to the strikers.

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  86. very well put. Says it all.

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  87. good formation.  

    Replace Adam with Hendo and he'll shine from game 1.  Adam isn't going to get any better or more mobile.

    Carroll AND Suarez need to improve their finishing/make an extra final pass.

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  88. you'll never convince Jamie of that.

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  89. Spot on.  442 can work, but of the 4 across the middle that go forward, they have to be incredibly fast getting back.

    KK doesn't want Suarez tracking back so wants the wide men to do it.  Adam upsets the whole thing because he isn't mobile enough to handle the forward role and the protective role.  

    Hendo there would make a huge difference.  Mobile, good feet, he'd displace Adam in one game.  

    I haven't seen Adam really add very much at all yet that isn't easily replaced.  I have however seen huge gaps all over midfield.

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  90. Kuyt vs Henderson ....

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  91. Couldn't put it better.  KK has changed the whole team and playing style which has first and foremost created big gaps in the middle, which good teams exploit very well.

    This is accentuated by us not converting absolute sitters which would force the other team to open up more.  

    To be honest I'm amazed we've done aswell as we have, we could easily be 6 points further ahead right now and we'd totally overlook the midfield issues/Hendo ineffective on the right etc.

    I see no chance of results against Chelski or Citeh because we're not finishing and there's not enough behind.

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  92. Gerrard and Adam together is a disaster.  They can't position themselves to play together except when going forwards.  We lost goals as soon as we tried that this season.


    442 isn't designed to be a strong midfield which is why European style footy always makes English footy look foolish.  

    EPL response has typically been to get faster players to compensate, hence the 'English' style.

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  93. this is the lucas haters' site.

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  94. you don't really take account of what you are saying.  In a 442, you have to do both forwards and rearwards duties which is why it doesn't work well.  

    Adam does the former badly and the latter not at all.  It's not even about being high up the pitch or not, you have to not give away the ball as easily as he does and you have to break up play when they have it.  

    Watch barcelona, whereever they are on the pitch they break up play, Adam just gives up and starts ball watching.  He is garbage.

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  95. good formation, but Suarez is guilty of missing lots of chances aswell as Carroll, who's hardly played.

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  96. I like it, mobile front and Hendo can drop back for support as needed perhaps?  Still nervous about Adam against the big boys, not an effective player so deep, not mobile enough generally.

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  97. quite right.

    Our real problem isn't our midfield not scoring, it's our forwards not taking their chances.  Downing has been unfortunate not to have a hat full of assists and 1 or 2 goals.  
    The forwards need to take their chances first and then the counters will provide results.

    Adam only got 4 goals last season as THE forward midfielder (without pens) so clearly can't expect much from him.  Hendo's 21 and out of position until he learns, Kuyt/Maxi doesn't play.  Bellamy can create but isn't playing in front of goal so won't get many.

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  98. Downing has put in some sublime crosses that weren't finished.

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  99. jonnysingapore

    Before you start talking about players and making up stories you need to see them play and obviously you are just writing crap for the sake of it.

    Adam's first goal came against Bolton, it was a very good finish from outside the box AND THERE WERE NO DEFLECTIONS as you have pointed out.

    You clearly do not watch matches?

    Lucas was subbed against UTD for Henderson, was our defence run over against the mancs when Lucas went off the pitch?

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  100. and the other was a deflected shot from outside the box.  Pure luck as evidenced by total lack of other goals/near misses.

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  101. He needs to improve finishing and/or make the extra final pass.  It's critical, we're heavily dependant upon him to score and his conversion rate is very low.  
    That means if he's quiet / kept quiet one game, we have a problem getting any goals.  Carroll's missed a lot aswell but hasn't played nearly as much.

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  102. Adam is exactly as expected pre-season given a cursory examination of his stats.

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  103. Adam will do well to match his 4 goals from open play that he got at Blackpool.  There's a reason why he as £7.5m.

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  104. and not surprising, he reads the game well, is routinely abandoned by Adam and a bit by Hendo.

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  105. Lucas' passing is really coming along leaps and bounds too, and i think it will get better.  His reading of the game has gone through the roof and it was the platform he needed to develop.
    He will be absolutely undroppable within 2 seasons as his passing game will develop the same way.  Adam is at the level he will always be, lucky to get half a dozen goals/year (not incl. pens) with a couple of good passes per game.  Until he is replaced by Hendo/Gerrard, lfc midfield will not develop.

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  106. If you have to explain to people what Lucas is doing then you have to wonder what they are watching.  His passing is coming on leaps and bounds too.  

    Within 2 seasons he will be an awesome midfielder, supplying as much passing as Adam (in effectiveness) and being a Makalele

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  107. Sorry, clueless comments against Lucas.  Reading the game, world class.  Passing coming on leaps and bounds.

    Within 2 seasons he will be an EPL star.  Adam, total liability, poor return, no mobility.

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  108. And Adam's contribution is totally over stated.  1 pen, 1 deflected goal from outside the area.  And he cost the same as Van der Vaart!!!!!!!!!!

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  109. good to see this comment gets so many likes.

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  110. pictures don't transmit well to Aus.

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  111. and who covers for Lucas if he goes forwards? Adam ?  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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  112. Cos everyone in front of the back 4 are new except Lucas.  They can't fit into an existing system, they have to create a new one, realise the mistakes and put them right.

    For Hendo, it's harder still.  He's 21 and really needs seniors all around him/a system to fit into especially while he's learning a new position.

    Also with our strikers there's more of an expectation that they'll do the business every time, so a bit of standing and waiting rather than moving deftly in to make sure of the killer blow like Meireles/Maxi/Kuyt would do.  Adam has NO idea of this bit at all and is not mobile.

    For FSG/KK, it's tactically naive changing so much in one go but I'm sure they're aware of that and they are seeing chances created just not finished.

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  113. The problem with this article is the misses have been from the strikers - way too many of them.  Put them away and the others will front up with the confidence from gaps opening up.

    Adam will be lucky to exceed the 4 goals he got in open play last year.  His lack of mobility will always blunt us and he won't improve.  This position is too important to waste on him.  
    A couple of good passes per game just isn't enough and Hendo will displace him almost instantly if played there as a vastly more talented player.Downing has been unlucky, if the strikers can god damn put his crosses away I don't care if he never scores.Hendo is 21.  Needs a system to fit into though could take over Adam's position with his eyes closed.Lucas plays much deeper.  They're trying to get him more forwards with the 442, but generally that's not his game and he doesn't really have an eye for goal.  He will be the deep playmaker within 2 seasons as he reads the game so well now and his passing is coming on leaps and bounds.  Don't care if he doesn't score, he's excellent deeper.   Will be an absolute EPL star within a couple of seasons as his passing improves the way his game reading has.

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  114. Ok lets not fight each other and see each others point of view.You said that adam is not good enough. That may be right but he cost us one third the price of downing or henderson and is providing us three times more...Don`t you think we got good value for money with him, huh? Also I don`t care if he is lazy during a match and tries "hollywood" passes that miss its target most of the time. In professional football you should know that 1-2 killer passes during a match is enough to make the difference. What he tries to do everytime he has the ball is difficult and most players would shy away and not even dare try. Most players would want to play it safe, passing it backwards or sideways and/or to players only a couple of meters away. Adam takes risk everytime he tries those spectacular passes knowing well that he may miss his target and thats why I like the player. His accuracy may not be very high compared to others in the team like lucas who has a high pass completion rate. However lucas can get his 100 passes right out of 100 in a match with his backward, sideways short passes but its not gonna change anything, is it? Adam on the other hand may miss 99 out of his 100 passes, but the one he get right can give us a goal and its all that matters for me. For all these reasons I still maintain that he is our most creative player despite his flaws only second to gerrard when fit and not injured of course.

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  115. yeah you are right and henderson played well that day. Actually it was the only time he played well since joining us. He did a splendid volley that was unluckily saved (or luckily saved for the mancs)...He should play in lucas place.

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  116. Adam doesn't defend and his general play is awful 4 assists and 2 goals what should we build a statue for the useless nurk.
    1 is a penalty and really assists are bull to a degree downing has created better chances but they haven't been finished off.

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  117. Liverpool fc have become a desperate club and with last year being a complete disaster we are clutching on straws or any bit of hope.  The reason our midfielders are not scoring is because Lucas seems to keep getting pushed aside (considering he's DM yeah right) and the amount of time opposing players just seem to side step him with ease.  How many times have we heard commentors say what a silly place for lucas to give a free kick.  Lets use the recent man utd game when he actually ran into giggs due to lack of balance and pure clumsiness.  TV does not lie my friend and nor does Steve Nicol.  Dont get me wrong he has improved but on a good day I would have him as a squad player at best.  If he really is player of the year then why has no team come in for him especially someone like Inter or AC Milan and Meireles left...Hmmm

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  118. If he's that F****** good as a DM, why has no one come in for him in the 4 years he's been here, why has team such as Inter or AC milan come in for him, HEY HEY...Meireles once season and Chelsea came in for me. 

    Sick to death with you uneducated dicks who know F*** all about football.  By the way I know my football and spat blood to get to where i can - semi pro standard within 6 years of having initally first played with a tennis ball at school.

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  119. If he was so bad why does Dalglish start him? why does Jay Spearing not start ahead of him?

    Your saying Steve Nichol does not lie - did you even bother to read the article? He was talking about the creative aspect of 4 players - the entire midfield - where did he single out Lucas? There are others in the squad that are not doing there jobs - Lucas is doing his and that is the way it is.

    And are you arguing he was not player of the year? Voted by fans and also In Gerrards eyes... ok he is not the best in his position in the world but we are not equipped to attract the worlds elite just yet.

    It comes down to this, There are a lot of part time football fans who only concentrate on the glitz that football displays through assists , goals, skill when watching games - then you have knowledgable fans who look deeper at positioning, distribution and movement from a tactical perspective, Only the latter appreciate Lucas.

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  120. Madness - they are doing their defensive duties with great effect..hence no exposure required.  To be honest you seem like a young fan who obviously was not around in the good old days, hence how would you know any better.  I suppose you will also say Biscan was effective player as well.  To be honest its fans like u with a soft touch is the reason why we will never win the PL.  Always protecting the average player who will never get us where we need to be.  Have you not learnt anything from watching Man utd over the years.  You have to play out of your comfort zone collectively rather than being carried.   Where are brazil these days....exactly! 

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  121. Spearing - you are joking...is this the man who tried to do a nutmeg and embarrassingly ended up falling over and as a result carragher ended up giving away a penalty who tried to retreive the situation. 

    Just stop it now and behave!!!

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  122. I say my dear old fellow - Answer me one question which you have keep avoiding - why why why why has now one come in for lucas in the 4 years...you keep talking as you have had alan hansen for breakfast...you talk nonense mate, like i said if u dont play football at all let alone semi pro level then that proves that I know the game better than ya....creative midfielder, like rednapp, scholes jan molby...I see the game even when I have my back to the ball.  By the way... Downing is also the same, an average player who is out of his depth and belongs to a smaller clubs...will share same fate as mark gonzalez
     

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  123. Hooray...finally someone speaking some sense, Dave my thoughts exactly!!
    If Lucas was that good then why has no team come in for him over the past 4 years....If he's such a legend at what he does as a DEFENSIVE midfielder, than why the F*** have not team like Inter or AC Milan come in for him. Meireles in his first season fitted in instantly hence chelsea scum took him away.  LUCAS - IS THE MR BISCAN NO.2, TAXI PLEASE!! 

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  124. When a blogger speculates about age (often with some people on this site) it is always a sign of losing control of their argument, there is nothing for you to logically defend your initial argument against so this results in attacking someone's age, its really quite funny.

    By the by I am not a young fan, but that has nothing to do with what the debate is, I have coached young kids that know more about positioning, tactics and defending then what you have demonstrated through your posts.

    As for defending average players you forget Lucas is a LIVERPOOL player which is why he is defended, of course I would like us to get someone who is world class in his position but we cannot attract that calibre untill we can offer CL football.

    If you like watching United so much maybe you should follow them.

     

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  125. Is anyone arguing that Lucas is a transfer target for the worlds elite? Real fans are defending him and having to spell out the job he does for the club to blind fans like yourself who completley disregard his contribution.

    And In your opinion people who dont play football know less?

    1. Arrigo Sachi - creator of tactics in the modern game and coached one of the greatet attacking sides in history in the late 80s, AC MILAN, never played proffesional football

    2. Carlos Alberto Perreira - World Cup winner with Brazil who never played

    3. Jose Mourinho - Again never played

    4. Villas Boas - Never played

    The fact that you claim to play football doesnt mean you know anything better than anyone - it is a sign of a blogger losing an argument and using that as testimony that there theory has more ground than anyone else?

    You may own a pair of football boots, but maybe not a football brain.

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  126. Your so called credentials mean nothing, what are you trying to prove? you own a pair of football boots so you are right about Lucas more so than any other blogger? All you have argued is that Lucas is not good enough for the club - After two transfer windows its funny Kenny Dalglish doesnt seem to agree with you and he picks him as a starting eleven player. Does he then have a small mentality regarding standards? 

    Let me leave you with a quote, go and do your research son.

    "A Jockey does not need to have been born a horse". 
    The Great Arrigo Sacchi.

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  127. how does everything turn into a lucas debate. we bought him for 5 we can sell him for over 20. wtf is the problem. in any case, the boy will score more. watch and see. he has been class now for a long time. crazy to think what a senior and important player he has become. 

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  128. Like i said u have no ambition...u talk like a farmer then a hunter. If u do not understand this statement then what im saying is u seem to talk the talk and thats where it ends. Watching from a birds eye view, sitting in ur armchair makes you nothing but all theory and no practical exposure. What do they say in the real world about people who have nothing but theory. Even majority on the site disagree with you and all you come up is with this pointless theory which has no relevance to the price of cheese. Seriously you do have some commonality with lucas...boring, uninteresting and need to do us all a favour on this site and just walk on!! Cannot wait for the day when lucas is dropped or pushed out and will speak to you then.

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  129. By the way the previous reply was to end on a happy note for the lone ranger and uninteresting MADNESS - perfect name though,proves u are mad and majority never lie!!!!

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  130. MADNESS- perfect name you've choosen, what can i say. i have left u a final message as theres a saying ' You can never reason with madness or a madmen. With ur recent response you are beyond any help hence why ur coaching kids as purely a rehab exercise. Your a wasted talent!!!

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  131. Remember Liverpool must be very very careful now as KK has
    signed underrated players.LFC must buy now as it will be a leeds united or will
    always be 10th in the league.Fans will never see LFC be champions
    again.My Mind is telling me that if we don’t buy these players now lfc will
    never never never be champions again.Never as nor a cup also.Now Damien must be
    very very quick in the signing of these players as the two Manchester,Arsenal,R
    Madrid,Chelsea,Tottenham,Barcelona will try to buy quicker than us.Look at
    Caroll garbbage.Dalglish is not a maurinho or a rafa or a rednapp.Later on will
    know if dalglish will succeed as Lfc should sell underrated players like
    (Caroll, Carragher,Skrtel,Wilson,Johnson,Flanagan,
    Aurelio,Doni,Henderson,Maxi,Downing,


    pachecho,kurt,Adam(spearing is too good for him).Bring on
    Players Like Marin,Hazard, Ericksen,papadoupoulos,
    Duzdask,Gotze,Aquilani,Bale,M.Marin,baye,cahill,M.sisoko,


    Payet,S.jovetic,Mamadou sakho,hummels,jan
    vertogen,Ym-villa,wilshere,neymar,


    Bale,Lucas Moura,Jack Rodwell and the return of F.Torres then
    we can compete.

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  132. Remember Liverpool must be very very careful now as KK has
    signed underrated players.LFC must buy now as it will be a leeds united or will
    always be 10th in the league.Fans will never see LFC be champions
    again.My Mind is telling me that if we don’t buy these players now lfc will
    never never never be champions again.Never as nor a cup also.Now Damien must be
    very very quick in the signing of these players as the two Manchester,Arsenal,R
    Madrid,Chelsea,Tottenham,Barcelona will try to buy quicker than us.Look at
    Caroll garbbage.Dalglish is not a maurinho or a rafa or a rednapp.Later on will
    know if dalglish will succeed as Lfc should sell underrated players like
    (Caroll, Carragher,Skrtel,Wilson,Johnson,Flanagan,
    Aurelio,Doni,Henderson,Maxi,Downing,


    pachecho,kurt,Adam(spearing is too good for him).Bring on
    Players Like Marin,Hazard, Ericksen,papadoupoulos,
    Duzdask,Gotze,Aquilani,Bale,M.Marin,baye,cahill,M.sisoko,


    Payet,S.jovetic,Mamadou sakho,hummels,jan
    vertogen,Ym-villa,wilshere,neymar,


    Bale,Lucas Moura,Jack Rodwell and the return of F.Torres then
    we can compete.

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  133. Remember Liverpool must be very very careful now as KK has
    signed underrated players.LFC must buy now as it will be a leeds united or will
    always be 10th in the league.Fans will never see LFC be champions
    again.My Mind is telling me that if we don’t buy these players now lfc will
    never never never be champions again.Never as nor a cup also.Now Damien must be
    very very quick in the signing of these players as the two Manchester,Arsenal,R
    Madrid,Chelsea,Tottenham,Barcelona will try to buy quicker than us.Look at
    Caroll garbbage.Dalglish is not a maurinho or a rafa or a rednapp.Later on will
    know if dalglish will succeed as Lfc should sell underrated players like
    (Caroll, Carragher,Skrtel,Wilson,Johnson,Flanagan,
    Aurelio,Doni,Henderson,Maxi,Downing,


    pachecho,kurt,Adam(spearing is too good for him).Bring on
    Players Like Marin,Hazard, Ericksen,papadoupoulos,
    Duzdask,Gotze,Aquilani,Bale,M.Marin,baye,cahill,M.sisoko,


    Payet,S.jovetic,Mamadou sakho,hummels,jan
    vertogen,Ym-villa,wilshere,neymar,


    Bale,Lucas Moura,Jack Rodwell and the return of F.Torres then
    we can compete.

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  134. My friend we are all providing our own theories on this blog, thats what you do when you post - how can we practice when no one works for the club?

    I do know someone who works for the club, Kenny Dalglish, as he picks Lucas in his starting line up I guess in your eyes he too lacks judgement and ambition. Get a grip

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  135. Madness is a summary of what I constantly hear from this new generation of Liverpool fans which I am afraid you belong to. Cannot back up footballing arguments so resort to insults (or making up stuff regarding football careers LOL) nor can they even post sticking to the point of the article never mind writing or basic english skills.

    Like I said always a sign of someone giving up on their original argument as they have nothing to back it up with.

    Good day sir.

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  136. What does this have to do with the article? lost for words or just been out smarted and given a football lesson? 

    Its sad you cannot back up your argument about Lucas logically nor talk about football with any indepth knowledge. I suggest you leave the keyboard and pick up the gamepad, leave the writing to those who know how to do it and in the mean time develop a sense of logical counter argument.  

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