Spirits are high after Liverpool's comfortable victory yesterday over Borussia Dortmund, and Reds legend Jamie Carragher believes that Jordan Henderson is set to kick on from last season and truly establish himself as one of the Premier League's best players.
After the 4-0 hammering at Anfield, Carra enthused:
Jamie Carragher
"Jordan Henderson scores again in pre-season, and if he can get 10/12 goals this season [he] will be one of the top midfielders in the league"
Some further post-match reaction:
Neil Mellor
"Plenty to excite the fans leaving Anfield with a superb team performance. Coutinho outstanding and great combination with Sterling"
John Aldridge
"The 4th goal for Liverpool was absolutely Magnifico.You must watch it when you get a chance"
Raheem Sterling
"Good team performance today..good result to end our pre season....looking forward to start off season next week"
Dejan Lovren
"Great start, like a dream! I hope that the whole season will be like that"
Daniel Sturridge
"Nice to get some more minutes and help the team win 4-0 vs Dortmund. Back at it"
Great performance all-round from Liverpool, but there's no point getting carried away.
* Dortmund put out an under-strength team, and were missing at least 7 first-team regulars (including Hummels, Reus, Gundogan etc). Bar Lallana, Rodgers played Liverpool's strongest team, so the Reds' victory is not really a huge surprise. Indeed, in these circumstances, LFC should be putting teams to the sword.
* Some of the passing and movement was a joy to behold (the build up to Henderson's goal being a particular highlight), but Liverpool will not get that much time on the ball in the Premier League, that's for sure.
* Superb performance from Coutinho, who continues to be the star player of pre-season. Again, though, it's all for naught unless the Brazilian carries his form into the new campaign.
* Manquillo did well, and (predictably), fans are already hailing him as the second coming (!) It's only one game, though, so the overwrought praise is premature, and possibly counter-productive.
* Lovren also delivered an assured performance, and it's great to finally see a commanding, steadying influence in central defence. Again, though, it's just one game, and the real challenges are yet to come.
* To be fair, everyone played reasonably well, even Glen Johnson, who gave the ball away noticeably less than usual. Lucas came on and did a decent job; he'll be an excellent squad player this season, but he really needs to stop giving away stupid free kicks.
As for Henderson becoming one of the 'top midfielders in the league' - Brendan Rodgers set him a 10-goal target for the upcoming season, but I hope he means *league* goals, and not just ten in all competitions. If it's the latter, then Rodgers is going to easy on Hendo, and (arguably) not pushing him hard enough.
Ten league goals is the bare minimum that should be expected from Henderson; ten in all competitions isn't good enough for (ostensibly) an attacking midfielder. Overall, my expectation for Henderson this season = 25-30 goals/assists:
* 15 goals
* 10 assists (or 10 goals/15 assists)
Liverpool will compete in 4 different competitions this year, and may play close to 60 games, so given the fact Hendo is practically everpresent, I personally don't think this is an unreasonable expectation.
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Author: Jaimie K
After the 4-0 hammering at Anfield, Carra enthused:
Jamie Carragher
"Jordan Henderson scores again in pre-season, and if he can get 10/12 goals this season [he] will be one of the top midfielders in the league"
Some further post-match reaction:
Neil Mellor
"Plenty to excite the fans leaving Anfield with a superb team performance. Coutinho outstanding and great combination with Sterling"
John Aldridge
"The 4th goal for Liverpool was absolutely Magnifico.You must watch it when you get a chance"
Raheem Sterling
"Good team performance today..good result to end our pre season....looking forward to start off season next week"
Dejan Lovren
"Great start, like a dream! I hope that the whole season will be like that"
Daniel Sturridge
"Nice to get some more minutes and help the team win 4-0 vs Dortmund. Back at it"
Great performance all-round from Liverpool, but there's no point getting carried away.
* Dortmund put out an under-strength team, and were missing at least 7 first-team regulars (including Hummels, Reus, Gundogan etc). Bar Lallana, Rodgers played Liverpool's strongest team, so the Reds' victory is not really a huge surprise. Indeed, in these circumstances, LFC should be putting teams to the sword.
* Some of the passing and movement was a joy to behold (the build up to Henderson's goal being a particular highlight), but Liverpool will not get that much time on the ball in the Premier League, that's for sure.
* Superb performance from Coutinho, who continues to be the star player of pre-season. Again, though, it's all for naught unless the Brazilian carries his form into the new campaign.
* Manquillo did well, and (predictably), fans are already hailing him as the second coming (!) It's only one game, though, so the overwrought praise is premature, and possibly counter-productive.
* Lovren also delivered an assured performance, and it's great to finally see a commanding, steadying influence in central defence. Again, though, it's just one game, and the real challenges are yet to come.
* To be fair, everyone played reasonably well, even Glen Johnson, who gave the ball away noticeably less than usual. Lucas came on and did a decent job; he'll be an excellent squad player this season, but he really needs to stop giving away stupid free kicks.
As for Henderson becoming one of the 'top midfielders in the league' - Brendan Rodgers set him a 10-goal target for the upcoming season, but I hope he means *league* goals, and not just ten in all competitions. If it's the latter, then Rodgers is going to easy on Hendo, and (arguably) not pushing him hard enough.
Ten league goals is the bare minimum that should be expected from Henderson; ten in all competitions isn't good enough for (ostensibly) an attacking midfielder. Overall, my expectation for Henderson this season = 25-30 goals/assists:
* 15 goals
* 10 assists (or 10 goals/15 assists)
Liverpool will compete in 4 different competitions this year, and may play close to 60 games, so given the fact Hendo is practically everpresent, I personally don't think this is an unreasonable expectation.
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Author: Jaimie K
Oooo not sure Hendo will be capable of that number but certainly he needs to reach double figure for both goals and assists this season.
ReplyDeleteI have seen a steady progress with Hendo over the years, hopefully he can reach the level of Gerrard circa 2004-06. Don't think he will reach the level of Gerrard circa 2008-09.
Manquillo- Done really well. Looks promising.
I think 25-30 is probably a bit much for him. There aren't many midfielders that create/score that many. If he gets to 20 that would be brilliant.
ReplyDeletethe thing is if they got bet 4-0 and in that style you would be writng that we are doomed.I know a lot of supporters only see rose tinted glasses and this is why you write articles with a negative spin just to poke a reaction ....but just once a week can you praise a team that has scored over 100 goals and is playing some of the most attractive football in the world..we are still building a team but what a team so can you stop nit picking at every little detail.i am suprised you have not written about the tea bags used in the cafeteria.. think where we have come from to now downing + kuyt to sterling + sturridge
ReplyDeleteHenderson last two seasons according transfermarkt
ReplyDelete12/13: 44 games, 6 goals, 5 assist
13/14: 40 games, 5 goals, 7 assist
I'd say 10 goals 10 assist in 40 games would be good so depeding how much he plays 10-15 goals 10-15 assist and I'm happy.
Agree. Last year, Gerrard had the highest number of assists with 13. It is not easy to rack up so many assists. But, he should improve his goal tally.
ReplyDeleteI live in Australia got to watch Juventus I never seen this lad play but did this weekend .
ReplyDeletePogba would do nothing else but Buy this guy he would be Gerrard long term replacement worth every cent his is the Future of which ever Club he will be at . World best young player Country mile.
PLease buy
Maybe we should get someone who can fill in for a year to allow Origi, Ibe, Suso and Markovic to come into the team next year . maybe Tevez or Huntelaar ?
ReplyDeleteFirstly Henderson is not an attacking midfielder, secondly 15 goals is an unrealistic target. If hendo scores 10 this season (all comps) he's done well. He's scored 11 in 3 seasons to date. So even 10 would be a 150% increase. For reference lampard (PL's highest scoring midfielder by some distance) averaged 11 for Chelsea.
ReplyDeleteHenderson is an attacking midfielder, whether you choose to accept it or not. The fact that Rodgers sets him a 10-goal target (and often talks about how he needs to score more goals etc), is persuasive proof of this. Plus, a major part of his role is to get in the box and support Sturridge etc, and he's admitted this himself.
ReplyDeleteCant believe what im reading in them comments , Bony is class and could be the best signing of all if we get him , come on Liverpool get him signed before we miss out
ReplyDeleteSorry, but 25 goals/assists should be demanded from Lallana, not Henderson. That's a goal/assist per million spent on him. We shouldn't put our best midfielder under the pump when there are five or six other players who should be getting on the score sheet more often than Henderson. 3 games without him last season and we looked mid table. 25 goals/assists from the 6th most highest contributor, you're in dream land.
ReplyDeleteIt was interesting to see Lucas and Gerrard together which let Henderson roam around and make more penetrating runs and if Hendo has that sort of freedom Coutinho will pick him out every time. In this sort of role I'd personally like more goals/assists from Henderson but if, as is most often the case, he is carrying Gerrard physically, forget it!
Dude, Henderson is not an attacking midfielder when he's playing alongside Gerrard. You don't need to be an AM to score 10 goals per season. Look at Lampard.
ReplyDeleteDefensive work is as much a part of hendo's role as attacking. Yet your expectation is he achieves stats that rival the leagues most attacking players (incl forwards). Again for reference, last season Aguero 17 goals 6 assists (23), hazard 14/7 (21), silva 7/9 (16), countinho 5/7 (12), sterling 9/5 (14), etc. Just think 15/10 (25) is not realistic.
ReplyDeleteSo you don't think a goal/assist ration of 1 in 2 for hendo isn't unrealistic? Come on Jaime how many attacking midfielders in the league have stats like that? It is also my opinion that hendo is a box to box midfielder and I disagree that his primary function on the pitch is to score/assist. That's coutinho and sterling's primary role but not Hendo's and not Can's either.
ReplyDeleteThe lads were brilliant to a man yesterday. You can only beat the team that's in front of you and we did that in style. Couldn't have been better for the lads morale and confidence and I fully expect us to do the same thing to Southampton next week. Can't wait
What's Pogba's goal/assist ratio? Pretty sure it's not 1 in 2. Doesn't stop him from being a top midfielder
ReplyDeleteI see Lucas posted a photo of a dark tunnel with a light at the end ? nice touch for the fans.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think it's unreasonable. If LFC play 60 games, Henderson should be expected to contribute a minimum of 25 goals/assists (IMO); if he plays 50 games, then 15-20 is reasonable.
ReplyDeleteHe is an attacking midfielder. Lampard is also an attacking midfielder.
ReplyDeleteIs that 60 games if we will all competitions ? Jamie are you saying we will do the quadruple? You heard it here first.........
ReplyDeleteBony doesn't seem like the type of forward with quick feet able to give and go. Really hope we don't get him as a striker. Its not that I don't rate him. He just doesn't seem to fit our pass and move style.
ReplyDeleteyou can only beat what's put in front of you! 4-0 is a good result regardless of the team they put out and we played good football so all in all I am pleased with the manner we won in, I think Hendo can contribute his fair share of goals and assists this season how many is hard to say but I reckon he can get double figures
ReplyDeleteYNWA
No, I said IF Liverpool play close to 60 games then Hendo should be aiming for that level. Obviously, the figures revise downwards slightly based on the number of games played.
ReplyDeleteLampard was virtually a deep-lying striker for much of his career. A false 8 if you like: hardly a midfielder at all. I agree with you Jaimie, Henderson needs to be more effective in his attacking contributions. He missed too many good chances last season for comfort.
ReplyDeleteCome on Jaimie. Liverpool for the quadruple... See it to believe it.
ReplyDeleteI don't Cavani is better than any of those three. Cavani played in two leagues that don't offer the speed or physicality of the PL. Same with Lacazette. Ligue 1 does not prepare anybody for the PL. Bony has big pluses...proven PL scorer on a team wherehe has to count on Jonjo Shelvey for service. If he played for us just think how many chances he would get.
ReplyDeleteBob the Ebola virus is as I'm sure you know, deadly. African players who practice their trade in the UK are very likely to be in touch with fellow Africans from the most infected areas whilst competing. I wasn't aware until 15 minutes ago that the Seychelles stopped players from Sierra Leon boarding a plane to play their second qualifying leg in the Seychelles because of fears they may import the virus. They said they were so dependent on tourism they could not take the risk and stepped out of the qualifying process. Apparently they had lost the first leg 2-0. We must address the issue here too.
ReplyDeleteHaha...it would be nice to see us turn a few teams over in the champ league... Not saying we will win anything but some of our attacking football is the best I have ever seen. That's only my opinion but attacking wise I would say these lads could give barca a run for their money.....defence, now that's another story.
ReplyDeleteGood read Jamie. Agree completely. Trying not to get overly excited but definitely aware of the positives to come from the Dortmund demolition.
ReplyDeleteRe Henderson I think your expectations would pretty much match most Reds fans out there - which isn't always the case with you ;)
The Bundesliga has another week until they start so they still have some tune-up matches to play. This was our last and I would have expected BR to play who thinks will start against Soton. So yeah we played a team less capable than it could have been. That being said, our defense was tight and that was a huge relief to see. Our move from defense to offense was purposeful and controlled. The ball movement in the final third was terrific. We played very well.
ReplyDeletewhen things go right , everything goes right. I am just hoping if things went out of script we will still show the same hunger and intensity we showed yesterday
ReplyDeleteI agree that BR needs to expect more out of Hendo, but I wish he would develop a more deft touch with the ball. I don't ever get the impression his brain is far enough in front of his body and too many balls arrive at his feet and he appears surprised to get them.
ReplyDeleteTell me who r get 25 goals/assist for those 'world class' players played in 50+ games last season with narrow down to team who plays in UCL
ReplyDeleteAnd PLZ
Revised who 'world class' player with considered as marque signing for some club who r not even reach 20 goals/assist even their club played 50+ games.
This time u wont get the idea if u solely put pressure on urself to Hendo. :)
He is technically better than you would think.
ReplyDeleteTell me who r get 25 goals/assist for those 'world class' players played in 50+ games last season with narrow down to team who plays in UCL
ReplyDeleteAnd PLZ
Revised who 'world class' player with considered as marque signing for some club who r not even reach 20 goals/assist even their club played 50+ games.
This time u wont get the idea if u solely put pressure on urself to Hendo.
I agree with what most people are saying. Yes he needs to up those goal/assists but the numbers mentioned are barmy.
ReplyDeleteJust watching the game now. I love the internet sometimes. I like Can. Looks like he can do everything that Lucas can do but not give away daft free kicks. If he gets himself a couple of goals this season he is already and upgrade.
Last season, Ivan Rakitic grabbed 15 goals and 18 assists in 52 appearances, which is more goals/assists in less games than what I've proposed for Hendo.
ReplyDeleteHe is not purely attacking midfielder. We considered Coutinho who is our attacking midfielder. Now, we got Lallana. Even sterling some point using as our attacking midfielder.
ReplyDeleteI believe he as the center midfielder rather than Attacking midfielder. But since he got the energy, he is a type of CENTER MIDFIELDER BOX TO BOX. But disagreed if u considered him as ATTACKING MIDFIELDER
So what you're saying is Can is a defensive-midfielder, and should be relinquished of any responsibility to contribute goals/assists?
ReplyDeleteYeh but Rakitic was our Suarez last season. You surely aren't expecting Henderson to be our Suarez? I really rate Henderson and thinks he's an absolutely vital cog in the way we play but I think if he gets above 15 assists and goals this year I think that would be a good return.
ReplyDeleteany other player? thats why barcelona bought him.
ReplyDeleteI don't have any stats to hand but I can't think of any current midfielders in the league with stats like that. Certainly not any that do as much defending as Henderson does
ReplyDeleteNo I am saying that he is a DM and goals assists are not their priority. But Lucas's goal return is so poor that a couple by Can will be an upgrade. Considering Allen's poor return too that just emphasises the point. Having said that I would welcome lots more.
ReplyDeleteBy the look of the formation against Dortmund it seems Can's job was primarily a defensive one. Whenever Dortmund had the ball we seemed to fall in to a 4411. His tracking and positional play was very good.
Surely the exception rather than the rule.
ReplyDeleteYou can't hold Rakitic as the mantle and say that anyone not as good as him isn't a top midfielder. That's like saying he's not a top winger cos he's not as good as Ronaldo
ReplyDeleteU may see BR using diamond in the midfielder.but move to 4-3-3 while attacking.
ReplyDeleteGerrard needs 2 midfielder protection rather than 1 (England).
I believe Can and Hendo played same roles this year since we lost Suarez. But still Coutinho and Lallana was our attacking midfielder. Even Sterling was wide attacking midfielder
You've grossly twisted my words; that's not what I'm saying at all.
ReplyDeleteI use Rakitic as an example simply because he - like Hendo - plays in a team that isn't stacked with big money signings.
Sevilla are very much like LFC; an excellent team, but don't consistently challenge for the title. They have some excellent players, but not the cream of the crop.
If Rakitic can do it in those circumstances, Henderson should be expected to aim for similar figures.
Agreed. If Hendo gets 15 goals/assists this season, I think everyone would be happy with that (apart from jaimie of course). Giving him a target of 25-30 is just setting him up to fail
ReplyDeletehe is the best fir liverpool I wanted hum last seasan byt he went to swans ppl keep forgetn he is playing in a olayng side not a long ball gme team his deadley in the air and in the ground his a prowler in the six yard box he fins thm pokets of space an he he finishes 19 mill is a snip for a player tht will contrubute at least 26 goals an some assists if he can do that for swans wa cud he do for lfc
ReplyDeleteYeh 15 is my personal hope for him. Anymore and it's a bonus. You can't expect him to suddenly jump from where he was to those kind of figures. He might get there in a few more seasons but right now I think it's a bit unrealistic.
ReplyDeleteHmmmmmm I'm not so sure about Sevilla being similar to Liverpool... Rakitic was the focal point of Sevilla similar to Coutinho for us this year so if you are expecting anyone to get those figures surely it should be Coutinho?
ReplyDeleteIf Henderson ends up playing 50 games, and only gets 15 goals/assists all season, then that is not good enough (IMO).
ReplyDeleteLet's just say hendo plays 50 games , and gets 9 goals and 6 assists in all competitions; how is that acceptable?
That would constitute a goal ratio of 1 every 5.5 games, and an assist ratio of 1 every 8 games.
Pretty poor if you ask me.
Agreed.
ReplyDeleteWe won't ask you then. ;p
ReplyDelete@ SID sory u dbt no wat u in about go bk go watch bony on you tube all his gials ar in dix yard box in the floor in the air his a killa in the six yard box and wth likes of stura sterls mekrka we alwsys wil get inyo the six yard box swans aint a long bsll cross ball inyo box team thy playn side an bonry led ther line an was one of the leadn scorers in the pl facts
ReplyDeleteu twisted ur own words. Instead of Rakitic, who was as much as what hendo did or similar to LFC?
ReplyDeleteAnd i certainly, there r not much player can be as good as Hendo in defend but still manage to score and assist aswell.
He'll offer us a bit more variety too
ReplyDeleteRakitic doesn't play as high up the field as Coutinho. He's a central/attacking mid like Henderson, and also has defensive duties to consider.
ReplyDeleteWhat did he get 2012/13? or the Season before. Having that one season of a player who has just hit his best form may not be fair to compare a younger less experienced Henderson.
ReplyDeleteyou no wat u taikn about my frnd bony wud be a great capture for us midel pro wrks hard scores goals in the air on the ground he scores goals
ReplyDeletehenderson plays better further forward i remember in that period sturridge and gerrard were out he was fantastic
ReplyDeletejaimie it depends if rodgers plays like this:
.........................................sturridge
lallana/markovic..................coutinho..............sterling
..................................henderson.......gerrard
your target is unreasonable
but if he plays like this:
.............................................sturridge
coutinho.................................henderson...............sterling
..................................alllen/can.............gerrard
then it is fair
stop pusn aroun lfc sine boney
ReplyDeleteAaron Ramsay would be a more like for like comparison for what Hendo can aspire to be. He's not at his level yet but if he keeps improving year on year the way he has so far, there's no reason he can't get to Ramsay's level but without the injury problems
ReplyDeleterackitic had the team built around him
ReplyDeletewhile henderson is playing as foil for the skillful sturridge,sterling and coutinho
Agree with you re the deep-lying striker point, but overall, Lampard is a midfielder; this is an irrefutable fact. He may push up high when he plays, but his starting role in Chelsea's team (and for England) is as a midfielder. Ditto Gerrard.
ReplyDeleteI don't feel Hendo and Rakitic had the same role in the team though. Everything at Sevilla going forward went through Rakitic at Liverpool we spread the load around the team a bit more.
ReplyDeleteYes, there's always some excuse.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're doing is just giving Henderson a licence to underachieve.
i think fernandinho is who henderson should be compared to
ReplyDeleteNo one can reach that level of Gerrard and I mean no one.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. Ramsay got 16 goals/10 assists in 34 appearances last season. 34!
ReplyDeletePlus, Ramsay is *younger* than Henderson, and has played significantly fewer games during his career.
Why shouldn't Henderson be held to this standard right now? He has been practically everpresent for both Sunderland and LFC over the last 6 years.
ramsey is a world class talent ,
ReplyDeleteI would be very surprised if Ramsay matches those figures this year. He should be aiming for 25 goals assists.
ReplyDeleteBut Henderson is in now way, shape or form a focal point for our attack. If there are one of our more creative players available Hendo will pass to them rather than take something on himself as that is his role in the team. Press relentlessly, win back possession, keep passing moves fluid and chip in with goals and assists when the opportunity presents itself. That's Hendersons role in the team and he spends far too much time defending to be hitting the kind of figures you're talking about
ReplyDeleteIsn't that what Lambert was bought for?
ReplyDeleteComparing players is always problematic, even daft. Teams and players are all different and how those players used too. Do we know if Rakatic had as big a defensive responsibility as Henderson? Is he box to box or more a deep lying playmaker? That is just their roles not even their styles or even their strengths.
ReplyDeletelike i said it depends on which position he plays if he is beside gerrard , your target is unrealistic , if he is an attacking mid position okay
ReplyDeletei think lallana was bought to get thoose gaols and assists rather then henderson
SEVILLA vs RMADRID
ReplyDeletesource zonalmarking
apart from sterling
ReplyDeleteOn what basis is Ramsey 'world class'? He hasn't consistently dominated for Arsenal in the CL, and he's done next to nothing for Wales.
ReplyDeleteif we are looking for a player that is similar to henderosn at another top club it is ramires and hendo had a way better season then him
ReplyDeleteComparing players is always problematic...when you disagree with the comparison being made.
ReplyDeleteWhen fans agree with the comparison, then suddenly it's not so problematic any more. Funny that.
Depends what you think significantly means. I would argue three is not loads more. Last year was certainly his bust through season though. Lets hope that Hendo can have one of his own this.
ReplyDeleteExactly and Henderson is flexible so can be played in a variety of positions. There are just too many variables involved. Henderson does a really good job for the team and even on the occasion he frustrates I still think he's very very important.
ReplyDeletemaybe world class is an overstatement
ReplyDeletebut this guy was always destined to be great , man utd , arsernal and liverpool all tried to sign him
I am with Jaimie here. If that form continues then yes call him a worldie but not before. Wales though? Has Bale done anything for them? Which brings me to a point I am interested in. Jaimie as a Scott what would you think of a team GB for internationals? Not just Olympics.
ReplyDeleteIf Henderson is to progress as a player then he needs force the issue and take control, and that means imposing himself more in an attacking sense.
ReplyDeleteIf he's just going to spend most of his time defending/pressing, and does this for the next 5 years, then he will stagnate. Playing smarter is always preferable to being a workhorse.
Right now, Henderson is 70% workhorse, and that needs to change (IMO). With Can in the team, who according to most fans, is there to do the bulk of the donkey work, then there's no excuse.
la liga is and easier league then the premier league
ReplyDeletelook at c ronaldos goal record in pl to la liga
look at soldado,freddie kanoute
the defenders in la liga are very bad quality , look at amborieta was a top player for bilbao , got found out in pl
Sorry Jaimie but that reply is getting a bit boring. It seems like it's just your impasse post now.
ReplyDeletehe is better without gerrard and maybe that backs up your first paragraph
ReplyDeleteJaimie, i think that it is all about roles in which a player is deployed. If Hendo is given the license to run forward and et into the box, I would expect him to rack up goals and assists because that would be his role. But, if he is assigned to man mark or to destroy, you cannot expect him to have many goals apart from long rangers. IMO, we should not be concerned about how many goals he gets as long as it is enough which I think is 10 goals and 10 assists. Players like Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge will be tasked with goal scoring because that is their role. I will give you a few examples. Players like Xavi, Busquets, Fernandinho and even Modric do not score that many goals. Masch never scored and Xabi did rarely. It is all about roles. If he does score goals, all well and good but the important thing is that he performs the role he is tasked with and only Brendo knows that. I think you are being a bit harsh on him. Sure, he HAS to improve his stats but not by that much.
ReplyDeleteNope, no one.
ReplyDeleteI would wait until Jan to sign a decent striker. We should scout Lacazette for the next 6 months and see if he is fit enough for us.
ReplyDeleteU never consider Henderson as our attacking midfielder.:)
ReplyDeleteu juz twisted ur own words
luka modric was considered the best midfielder in the world by many last season
ReplyDeletebut eh only got 1 goal and 6 assists in his league which is easier then the pl
I felt from the Dortmund game (hard to say if much should be taken or not) that Hendo is slightly more off the leash. He was not breaking in to the box as much as I would like and as much as Ramsey would so that has to improve but did feel Can was the one aiding Gerard the most.
ReplyDeleteRamires is not similar to Hendo at all. Ramires is a dirty player and a hot head.
ReplyDeletesimilar versatility,energy etc
ReplyDeleteI'd take Bony over Lambert plus £15m all day long. Also, if Rodgers wants him, I think that gives a clue that lots of LFC fans are under estimating his technical ability etc.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I agree, but like BR said after the match, he feels like he could plug subs into the line-up and not lose quality and it's the first time he has felt like that since arriving.
ReplyDeletei keep on confusing you for pandle
ReplyDeletesee i thought you were pukee (similar names)
ReplyDeleteso i was like why is he being so optimistic
I haven't seen/heard anyone referring to Modric as the best midfielder in the world.
ReplyDeleteOverall, Modric got 2 goals/8 assists, which is exceedingly poor. He gets way with it though because Ronaldo, Bale, and Benzema score/create so much.
I remember George Burley's last game in charge of Scotland when an 18 year old Ramsay tore us apart. Scored 2 and set up the other one. Dark days.
ReplyDeletePlayers develop at different rates. I don't think Hendo had really been nurtured and improved as a player until Rodgers. Ramsay has been developing at arsenal and a full fledged international from a very young age. However 2 years ago some arsenal fans were writing him off.
Ramsay had the season of his life last year but I agree with you about him not being world class yet but I would hope this season Henderson won't be too far behind him
I've always thought of him more as a central player with a great penchant for goals...
ReplyDeletemaybe i did in my dreams
ReplyDeletei think henderson is not technically good enough to score goals , that should be left to lallana, while hendo could be made the main dm
Ramsey was the best box to box midfielder in the world before he got injured. He is just superior to Henderson
ReplyDeletewe should play like this when everyone is fit :
ReplyDelete...................................sturridge
markovic.....................coutinho..................sterling
............................henderson.......lallana
henderson can be the new sami khedira , lallana new sweinstiger and coutinho new ozil
Ramsey was 2nd best scorer in Arsenal last season after Giroud.
ReplyDeleteWhy dont u compared with 'world class' or 'marquee signing' from Arsenal which:
Cazorla = 7 goals
Ozil = = 7 goals
in all competition.
I true believed, if both of them double figures this year, Ramsey wont get the same figure juz like last year
that is the point i am making
ReplyDeletesturridge is a good striker but his record is poor to messi who is the best at what he does
in my opinion alongside vidal,rackitic , ramsey is the best cam in the world
as my name isnt pandle, i am not good enough for you to reply?
ReplyDelete`not my fault
ReplyDeleteboth names start with p
no gerrard? no dm? this line up will never be used. trust me
ReplyDeleteone of the best at least
ReplyDeleteahh humbug!
ReplyDeletethe focal point was, Henderson not Attacking Midfielder. He maybe at same position as Xavi rather than Iniesta to b compared with Barcelona.
ReplyDeleteLampard was not CM i tot in Chelsea regardless what position he played for England i dont mind. In his peak, he was the Attacking Midfielder. :)
I strongly believe that Hendo was Center Midfielder. But due to his stamina, he was DEFENSIVE CENTER MIDFIELDER with free to BOX TO BOX. :)
Im also posted, ur posting, which u believe in Hendo was not the AM too.:)
Steady now the lad had a first class season but let's not get carried away
ReplyDeleteLallana will never start in that position
ReplyDeletehenderson can be dm
ReplyDeletehow does leon osman
ReplyDeleteI know its a little unreasonable, but our football and movement is just so great at the moment that I'm actually a little worried playing him will dilute our style. Its currently so enjoyable to watch. I love seeing beautiful flicks into space and through balls being played with quick players running of the shoulder and I just don't see Bony being quick and agile enough to play that style of game. I feel Lambert is our plan B striker and we need another Daniel Sturridge type (quick, agile with an ability to finish). Remy seemed perfect until that fell through.
ReplyDeleteLampard isnt same as Gerrard. Lampard doesnt sit back and defend. Nor does he distribute posession. Lampard just passes to the narest fella and makes a run or arrive late in the box when someone makes a cross.
ReplyDeleteGerrard used to play where Henderson plays. Main duty was defence but he got goals assists regularly because of his talent.
Or that I always think it is problematic and half a similar view of most points that are overly simplistic.
ReplyDeleteat this point i would take bony
ReplyDeletebut he should be only a back up to sturridge
he should never start a football match unless sturridge is injured
but his price is too high for a back up
you dont just put people randomly in dm position. Also putting Henderson in dm position would not be the best thing as we will not be using his abilities fully which is run all day long. He defends and counterattacks and pressurize oppoition. He wont be able to do any of it if played as DM
ReplyDeleteThis aint 75 cent Toffee Everton
ReplyDeleteI think we will all have to agree to disagree on this one, Henderson will never get those goals/assists with the role he plays in the team.
ReplyDeleteThey way I see it, IMO ..Henderson, like can, Lucas ...arguably even Gerrard, deep lying playmakers/midfielders main role is to control the game, dictate play and start off the attacking moves, if you look closely enough it is these players who provide the ball to our attacking players in positions where they can cause damage to the back four, hence why they get the majority of the goals/assists.
This is the way I see it, some people only look at the numbers players provide which in my view is a very narrow mind way of seeing things, I'm not saying statistics aren't a valid reference regarding players performance over a period of time, I'm just saying there are roles players play in the team which you cannot judge through numbers ( please excuse my poor wording )
I totally agree with you. We need someone soon though and Bony is the most realistic
ReplyDeleteHenderson is a good finisher other than his tendency to get under the ball a bit. I think he'll get 10 plus this year if he stays fit
ReplyDeleteI never compare players who are playing in different leagues as it is not possible.
ReplyDeleteWhilst the Premiership is not the best technically, it is in my eyes the toughest league in Europe.
It is why we constantly see players who otherwise do very well on the continent do poorly in England.
If you want to compare Henderson they do so with a player who is currently playing in the Premiership.
Completely agree, if you are going to compare Henderson to anybody then it should be Ramsey.
ReplyDeleteI want Henderson to have the same impact that Ramsey does for Arsenal.
You basically want Hendo to be more like Yaya Toure...I've noticed Henderson is breaking forward more and more as he matures as a player. 20-25 goals & assists in all competitions would be fantastic imo
ReplyDeleteWith Gerrard playing the Alonso role (deep lying midfielder), Hendo is playing the role Monster Masch played for LFC. The difference is Hendo is breaking forward and getting into the box more
ReplyDeleteYou will note - neither Alonso nor Masch got many goals - but they did provide a wonderful base for the attacking players...
Using Man City as they were last season Prem Winners.
ReplyDeleteYaya Toure 35 apps 20 goals, 9 Assists
Sami Nasri 29 apps 7 Goals 7 Assists
Fernandinho 29 apps 5 Goals 3 Assists
I agree with what your saying other than 25 is more a target than a minimum
ReplyDeleteRamsay can and does create his own opportunities. I don't believe Hendo will ever be a good enough ball handler to do that.
ReplyDeleteBony is an excellent striker and would benefit most teams. I think he would even benefit Liverpool at times. I think the reason so many on here question whether he's the right signing is because we're expecting a multi functional striker that can play across a front three and has a few more strings to his bow. Bony has many excellent attributes but they appear to make him a good 'drogba' style forward. Big, strong, bulldozing with a winners mentality and an excellent finish. The fans are expecting more finesse. We're used to Suarez, we've got used to intricate one touch passing, clever flicks, nutmegging defenders etc. and that's what we want to see.
ReplyDeleteUp until now that's what Rodgers seems to have been looking for and the players linked seem to offer. The move for bony seems to be as a result of not getting on of those targets rather than Rodgers plan A. If he had always wanted a player like that he would have tried for lukaku.
Like I say, I think bony could do a job for us and a good one on a occasion. I don't think he would be playing every game; I expect sterling, Lallanna and markovic to be playing either side of Sturridge most of the time. If we sign bony, it will late in the window and only after all the archetypal Rodgers options have been exhausted.
Hendo plays further up the pitch than the mascherano and Alonso, plus he's also a better goal scorer than either of them
ReplyDeleteWhat are you on about? In this formation, Henderson is an attacking midfielder.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you're thinking that since Modric was playing on the best team in the world that he is the best mid-fielder in the world?
ReplyDeleteAgree his footwork will have to get better, a lot better, for him to ever be a creative goal scorer.
ReplyDeleteIt is definitely possible for Hendo to do it. If you look at the season Rooney had (40 odd goals) after the departure of Ronaldo it is clear such a high profile departure is a big lift to those players who are very good but realise that demanding personalities like Ronaldo and Suarez will always dominate and demand the ball... and with good reason. Sterling, coutinho Sturridge and Henderson will flourish this season in my opinion because they're all on a very similar level and without the constant moaning of Suarez will feel a weight has been lifted and a cloud removed. They will no longer HAVE to pass to anyone... the battle for best player at Liverpool fc is on!!
ReplyDeleteWe lost Suarez
ReplyDeleteWe get Cavani
we sell aspas
we get lambart
we sell borini
we get Bony
and get alson the player that our funs like most Marco Reus
and LFC epl champions
DREAM SQUAD
LINE UP
##MIGNOLET
manquillo Skrtel Lovren moreno
Gerrard Henderson
coutinho Reus
sturridge Cavani#
BENCH
jones
Enreque
fallano
Sakho
Toure
Lucas
allen
Can
Starling
Lallana
markovic
Bony#
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Lambart
kelly
Coates
Can someone translate this please. I'm from London.
ReplyDeletelofty ambitions.
ReplyDeleteNobody is saying Manquillo is the 2nd coming. Just saying he had a good game. Praising the performance. Seems anytime somebody says something positive about the team or an individual you have to blow it out of proportion because you live a negative light. Cheer up once in awhile. You might actually enjoy life.
ReplyDeleteHenderson is not an attacking midfielder.
ReplyDeleteSome of Henderson's form in preseason has been sublime. Silky touches and gelling excellently with the team and in most situations. He was sorely missed at the end of last season, could arguably be what cost us the league. Personally, glad I've never lost faith and that neither did he. Nice one Kenny, in your face Fergie! C'mon buddy, let's see what you're made of this season. Can't wait!! YNWA!
ReplyDeleteIt was seem LFC are that desperate they may consider Eto'o. Jeeezz
ReplyDeleteI was worrying over Bony - but it would seem he's the only decent striker who is available and wants to come to LFC.
Not a good place to be - but if we don't sign we'll regret it - rem the Caroll debacle.
No chance of signing elite chances, Jaimie? You should know better. Liverpool and Manchester United are rivals when it comes to global support. Liverpool trounces Arsenal, Chelsea of Manchester City when it comes to clicks and page views online. This is according people who work in the tabloids. www.mcfcforum.com/latest-news/1487-why-has-mcfc-been-ignored-for-other-clubs-this-summer-mark-ogden-explains-all
ReplyDeleteYou seem to very ignorant in how sport leagues work around the globe. There are ebbs and flows to dominance and owners come and go. Manchester United is on the down swing. City is the power of Manchester now. If I went back 10 years and said City would attract top talent you would laugh. But that is because you are ignorant. This isn't La Liga when 2 teams dominate for decades and decades due to weak competition. -- Personally I'd rather Liverpool get Bony than Cavani or Falcao. Those two guys are about themselves and would disrupt chemistry.
thsnk ypu a person who no abput players
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