12 Jul 2014

'Unprofessional': Angry Molby slates 'brilliant' £20m star for LFC transfer antics. Fair?

Southampton defender Dejan Lovren continues to be linked with a move to Anfield, and the Croatian is seemingly determined to force the Saints to sell, to the extent that he has allegedly threatened to go on strike to push through a move. Lovren has publicly admitted that he wants the move, but according to Reds legend Jan Molby, his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired.

On Wednesday, the Liverpool Echo claimed:

* Lovren has put in an official transfer request.

* Liverpool FC have offered £20m for the defender.

* The Croatia international is Brendan Rodgers’ 'No 1 defensive target'

* Lovren is 'desperate'. for a move to Anfield

When asked about Liverpool's interest this week, 'absolutely brilliant' Lovren slammed Southampton for failing to inform him of LFC"s £20m offer, and made it clear that he wants out of St. Mary's. He barked:

"Liverpool sent the [£20m] offer and the club haven't informed me. I found out from other people which disappointed me and I realised I've got no business staying at Southampton. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool".

Reacting to Lovren's comments, Molby accused the defender of being 'unprofessional', and insisted that his behaviour is 'not condonable'. He added:

"It's an affront to [Southampton]. Liverpool fans shouldn’t be accepting of this behaviour, either, just because it stands to benefit them. What if Lovren has an outstanding season or two at Anfield, and attracts Real Madrid or Bayern Munich?"

I agree with Molby here, to an extent. One of the key points I regularly make is that bad behaviour shouldn't be ignored, justified, encouraged, or condoned just because it benefits LFC, but that is exactly what happens whenever fans like a player.

The most obvious example of this is Luis Suarez, with LFC fans and the club constantly willing to turn a blind eye to his behaviour simply because he's a superb footballer.

Is Molby's criticism of Lovren entirely fair, though? I'm not so sure.

* Handing in a transfer request is part-and-parcel of the game, as is trying to secure a move away from a club before a contract expires. In an ideal world, players would always honour their contracts, but that is not how it works in practice.

* The Mirror claims that Lovren will go on strike to force through a move to LFC, but that is unsubstantiated gossip, and the player should not (IMO) be subject to criticism for such opportunist tabloid BS.

Lovren definitely deserves criticism for publicly stating that his 'head is already at Liverpool', though. It is, as Molby suggests', unprofessional', and if one of LFC's top players said something like that about another club, there would be blood on the streets.

That said, it is what it is. What's done is done, and after constantly indulging Suarez's behaviour, I doubt Rodgers et al will care about Lovren's comments. This certainly won't make any difference to LFC's pursuit of the player, but if Liverpool sign Lovren, and history repeats itself in two years, then Rodgers and FSG will only have themselves to blame.

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74 comments:

  1. He did state that Southampton did not make him aware of the bid LFC made so that probably infuriated him and in return made him speak out about it.


    Not saying that I agree with how Lovren has dealt with the situation but Southampton surely in this regard are wrong to keep information away from him?

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  2. Ha ha, you do like to get in there early don't ya! :-)

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  3. Why? They don't have to tell the player. Exactly the same situation you had with Suarez last year

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  4. The problem is he spoke to the press, if all this was done behind closed doors like Southampton do all there dealings it wouldnt be a problem

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  5. Suarez knew about the Arsenal bid.

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  6. spot on... I have to say that I have not been happy with the way Brendan Rodgers appears to have gone about his business.I feel certain that Gerrard was briefed to tap up Lallana, and this insistence that both club and Pool fans have that Saints simply have to sell their best players to them has really got up my nose. if it were down to me there would be no discussion, Lovren would not be sold full stop regardless of any possible fall out.

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  7. I Agree with Molby...He is a Saint's player and should act like that. The club has told Liverpool the price and if LFC are going to pay than ok but if not he has to honour his contract. I for one is against the move. He is a very good player (IMO better than any of our defenders) but you have to feel for Southampton what if next year 3 or 4 LFC palyers want out

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  8. Lovren should have kept his feelings and thoughts between him and his manager/owners, Ok can understand his frustration but the club held this information from him, obviously because they never wanted to lose him to another club. I think both parties are at fault but he lovren needs to be more proffesional and carry on doing what his club asks of him, Im sure if LFC want him tthey know where hes at. YNWA.

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  9. In my opinion if the Liverpool offer didn't meet Southampton's valuation of the player there is nothing to tell the player,Southampton do not have to grant permission for a player to speak with another club before a fee has been agreed. If the player was happy before he was told of the offer why unsettle him by telling him about it if it didn't meet with valuation,and if he has been told about it by a third party that is tantamount to tapping up,that said if he wants to go Liverhampton are welcome to him

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  10. Another thing is that Lovren might feel that the trust he had with the club has been broken. To find out from somebody else that LFC made a bid is a bit of a kick in the face?


    If Southampton are that keen on keeping Lovren then they would have told him about LFC's bid and would have assured him that they want him to stay. Instead they have gone a different route in order to get a big pay day. Will blow up in their faces if LFC do not budge though.

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  11. Peter Panofield1:43 pm, July 12, 2014

    Hi spoke with his club and they said that they would let him go if any club match his 20 mil evaluation of him. They have not only honored this but also did not inform him.
    That is unprofessional from the club if his statement is true just like liverpool promising Suarez could leave and then changing their minds.


    Bottom line always get it in writing and it always boils down to cash

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  12. Stick him in reserves as a punishment, he just wanted to jump ship when the tough got going anyway, whimp!

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  13. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lovren' s career so far has been uneventful without any major issues. This one outburst does not warrant a crucification and a comparison to Suarez's behaviour (or lack of it). The lad want's a move and is pissed he is not informed about it. Don't see anything wrong with that at all.

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  14. So Southampton sell Shaw, Lallana, Lambert, and release the manager in a matter of days and you don't expect ambitious players to get pissed off. There's 2 sides to a story, and even though I don't completely agree with his actions I'm sure there's more to it than we all know.

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  15. you are wrong there, there is no sell on fee been agreed between player and Southampton FC. Lovern claimed there was a "gentlemens agreement" between him and Nicola Cortese. Cortese was fired last January. Cortese has denied such an agreement existed. Someone from Liverpool informed Loverns agent that they bid for him, that was underhanded. They are using the same tactics with Bony at Swansea, keeping in contact with a player they are not to have any contact with..The FA should look into this.

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  16. You don't know that Gerrard has spoken to Lallana, your just putting 2 and 2 together. As for Brendan doing his business, he's made an official bid and Southampton turned it down, what's wrong with that? I don't blame you for being a bit peeved that we're after your players but nobody knows what gone on behind the scenes. Couldn't Lallana of just wanted to come because he wanted to play champions league football and no doubt the massive pay rise?

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  17. I know a lot of players have it wrote into their contract that if a bid comes in that's over a specified amount the player has to be informed, maybe that's why Lovren mentioned not being told.

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  18. It sounds as if Lovren had a gentlemen's agreement that a 20 million pound offer would be enough. Supposedly such an offer was made but Southampton just turned it down and then didn't inform the player. If that's the case then the player is entitled to be a bit upset. This is almost exactly the same as the Arsenal bid for Suarez last summer. I didn't begrudge Arsenal that attempt at the time and I said it was understandable that Suarez would be pissed off at Liverpool for how they handled it. However what is also clearly the case in both instances is that the player remains contracted to their club and it's up to the club to accept or refuse an offer, not the player. So we shouldn't be surprised that Lovren has had a few words to say but we also shouldn't be surprised that Southampton have handled it the way they have. It's a contentious situation and this bit of aggravation is to be expected.


    There is a degree of unprofessionalism in Lovren allowing his statement to go public but isn't it getting a bit precious to demand that players don't speak their mind? He's got a bone to pick with the club, he disagrees with how they are handling this. He supposedly wants to move and the club are not living up to what he expected. What's the big deal if he makes some public statements? Worst case scenario it causes a bit of embarrassment or negative attention. I find it a bit over-the-top to be over-sensitive about it. He hasn't said anything derogatory or insulting, he's just said that he's not happy with the situation.

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  19. I dont see what all the fuss is about,Southampton recieved a very reasonable 20 mill offer from LFC for Lovren who cost them 9 mill,they are been far too greedy and are standing in Lovrens way of a move to a historic and talented champions league playing team with lots of potential.No disrespect to Southampton who have impressed me so much the last 2 seasons but we are Liverpool and we are becoming a force again.
    YNWA

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  20. He was acting up before any official bids he just turned up the volume

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  21. heavy handed trying to stop the entire spine of our team going.. take your pathetic rose tinted specs off they are damaging your braincell

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  22. but liverfool have only offered 18 million despite what the papers say

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  23. Clubs are allowed to buy and sell players, he signed a 5 year deal one year ago..PERIOD!!

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  24. In the end Southampton did the deal. They've sold Lambert and Lallana to Liverpool, Shaw to United, and I don't see too much arm twisting going on. If they were not willing to sell then why did they? Sounds to me like you're more willing to manufacture some kind of impropriety on the Liverpool end of things but it's total speculation, you don't have the first clue what really went on. In truth your beef is not with Liverpool, it's with the management of your own club. If they had taken a truly hard line and just said no then there would have been no sale. Liverpool did it last summer with Suarez and ultimately the player did what he was told. Now we've almost doubled the fee that was made by Arsenal at the time.


    No one at Liverpool nor their fans have ever insisted that Lallana should be sold just because we wanted him. I'm not sure where you've got that idea from. Most Liverpool fans actually think the fee was a bit high and we could have tried for someone else. I'm also quite sure that had Southampton simply refused and walked away from negotiations then nothing would have happened and Liverpool fans would have respected that. What's quite obvious to me is not that Liverpool had some arrogant assumption that they would get the player, it was in fact that Southampton always encouraged the talks and were completely willing to sell at the right price. Whatever was said to the press, it was clear that Liverpool were told that Lallana was available at the right price, not that he was not available at all. That is the doing of Southampton.


    This situation with Lovren is the same and Liverpool have done nothing wrong. They made a decent bid for the player but if Southampton want to keep him, and it seems they do, then they can just say no and that will be the end of it. What Lovren does is not the fault of Liverpool. Clubs make offers to other clubs for their players every day, it's totally normal. You don't see Liverpool fans crying that Barcelona have acted inappropriately in buying Suarez. We're not making up some ridiculous conspiracy or claiming that anyone was tapped up.

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  25. Mr. Point Of View3:01 pm, July 12, 2014

    All lovren had to do is bite someone, something at least ! Nowdays that move is far effective than handling a transfer request i guess

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  26. When he signed for southampton he was probably told the southampton vision of growing and moving forward. He bought into it and signed. 1 yr on the manager has gone, their best players are getting sold and he is probably saying like any of us 'WTF' is going on and like the others wants out hence his transfer request. The thing is Liverpool set the precedence last year as I applauded John Henry when he just said to Suarez last year 'your not going anywhere' other clubs may now take this stance to their own players and rightly so as a player does not hold a club to ransom, they signed a contract so honor it. In conclusion, he is currently Southampton's problem like Suarez was Liverpool's problem last year, if Southampton's want to sell then its entirely up to them.

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  27. Just to be clear.....does Southampton have no money to pay any good players? Good for the reds to get some of these guys but SH looked like a good team that could keep moving forward, instead of being stuck in the middle.

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  28. Just buy your contract your out Lovren if you want the move: works for other players

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  29. lets hope hes made to stay,chase ricrod,hummels or varane

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  30. He is a class quality player who is better at creating, dictating and scoring goals from the centre of park than J Allen(24), J Henderson(24) and L Leiva(27).

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  31. Agents are not allowed to be involved before a deal before a deal is agreed? What nonsense.


    So does that mean the buying club can go directly to the player without approaching his club first? What is the use of the agent then?


    The agent is the middle man and is normally the person who is approached first when there is interest in a player.


    It seems to me that LFC went straight to Southampton, made a bid, Southampton ignored it, then LFC contacted Lovren's agent and in return Lovren found out about it through him.


    Southampton have stirred the pot otherwise Lovren would not be throwing his toys.

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  32. that is an extraordinary post. You know no law at all like most fans, however. The agent s job is to represent the player in contract negotiations, it is not permitted for him to make contact with either club until a deal has been struck. Clubs do not contact agents until a transfer has been agreed in principle.if a club wants a player they contact the club to whom he is contracted with an enquiry or a formal offer. Southampton are at liberty to ignore bids by the way, they have no obligation to either reply or discuss any bids with any players. Where do you get your ideas from , the equally ignorant tabloid press I suppose. Cant say I am surprised.

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  33. As soon as I read going on strike when this happened, I thought this is not good. Totally unprofessional. And it has put me off him. What will happned if he signs, runs into some bad form and is dropped? Will he go moaning to the media?

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  34. TonKorn42 no they dont contact the agent at least they are not supposed to. However I cannot vouch for Pool s behavior, they seem to be guilty of bending the rules to suit themselves as a matter of course.The situation you describe constitutes tapping up in law, period.Think about what you are suggesting before you comment further.Imagine that Pool rings an agent and says look we will pay your boy 100k as an inducement to push for a deal to our club and we will give you a fat comission for turning his head and making things happen.. Would you be happy if that sort of thing happened in football? But that is exactly what would happen if agents were allowed to contact clubs and vice versa before a fee was agreed. I hope that clarifies things for you.

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  35. buy what is this the funny farm lol

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  36. Jaimie made it clear that it is unsubstantiated gossip that Lovren will go on strike. It is gossip!


    Just shows how gullible people are when they read things.

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  37. You clearly have been misinformed. The agent represents the player. The agent can be contacted by any club regarding the availability of a player.


    The agent will then approached the owner of that player and let them know of the interest or that an offer has been made for the player. The seller will then liaise through the agent which the player has appointed him for.


    You clearly do not understand how things work.

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  38. Is it me or do we always overpay for players we want and under price players we selling? I mean 20mill for Lovren? Why? What has he done exactly? That's money I'd bid for Hummels not Lovren. Another underwhelming piece of business we about to do.

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  39. Are you really that deluded? Just because it's against the law you don't think it happens? You must be very narrow minded. Football is not treated like a normal business. Tapping up of players is just a something that happens these days whether you like to admit it or not.

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  40. Southampton are trying to be too greedy, they got lovren a season ago for 8.5M and we offer 20M and they want 25M. D Lovren(24) like everyone else can see that Liverpool have offered more than double and the team is depleted and he wants to play Champions league football.


    How many times did we back L Suarez(27) with his antics? Yet did he ever commit to the club, he had his heart on moving to spain no matter what.


    D Lovren(24) and S Caulker(22) should both be brought to club for combined total of 30M ( Centre Back)


    Whilst 45m should be spent on these 4 other defensive reinforcements:


    1: GK: K Navas(27) Of Levante for 6-8M


    2: RB: S Aurier(21) Of Toulouse for 7-9M
    3: LB: B Davies(20) Of Swansea for 7-10M
    4: DM: B Matuidi(27) Of PSG for 12-18M

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  41. Have just read all of this, as a saints fan I am gutted. Have heard that Mavis, our tea lady, is available too. Why don't you snap her up, she used to serve cakes to the boys in the academy ... she must be good.


    One other point boys, please spell check and correct your grammer ... is very infuriating. Love and kisses ... will see you lot on day 1.
    (I bet someone will find a mistake in there somewhere)

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  42. Too right matey , it's grammar not grammer

    Wouldn't usually say anything but you brought it up....

    If your club made Lovren a promise to inform him and didn't , then they lose their moral high ground. Since you were happy to sell the club's best players and the manager left too, you must have expected the remaining good players to be concerned.

    Striking is no way to sort it though. And £25m is unrealistic IMO, few achieve that figure as a defender and Lovren is good but not world class

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  43. its unfair to just blame Loren its Liverpool who have unsettled him....but hey thats the business so grow up Evey one and get in the real world ..They ARE FOOTBALLERS NOT SPIRITUAL LEADERS ....what do you expect ,i find it amazing that they are lambasted so much for there morals, in what other industry would a kid and most are kids be blamed for acting like this.

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  44. The saints are running the club like a business which it is and not a charity....good luck to them.If Liverpool cant employ decent negotiators who can play the game its tough on us

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  45. it works both ways 50m on torrez and 70m suarex is hardly giving players away.If we buy crap players there is no sell on value ...we had the chance to buy bony and lovren cheap but missed the boat through incompetence.

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  46. why are they greedy its called supply and demand

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  47. You say youre not happy the way rodgers has gone about his buisness ? Explain because what were hearing is that its paper talk, and also you say you feel certain that gerrard was breifed up to tap up lallana weres youre evidence? Because he was at the world cup with him! Its all gossip by the looks of things you love to do it yourself.

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  48. loveren ambition6:24 pm, July 12, 2014

    Then sell them but Thats the advantage of competing for trophys and top 4 nearly all players want to play for you not leave like in southamptons case good club but never going to win a top flight trophy woth the competition in are league

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  49. It starts with the buying club contacting the players agent and finding out if the player is interested in moving to the club and I would also assume at this point the agent will probably inform the buying club of any release clauses in the player's contract. If the player expresses an interest in joining the club the buying club will then submit an offer to the selling club. They then negotiate/agree a fee, the player agrees the contract. Sorted.

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  50. Who can blame Lovren for wanting to leave? Southampton is looking like a sinking ship right now. Nicola Cortese left, Pochettino jumped on the first plane out, and they have just sold three of their best players. Sure their bank account may look better, but I have not even heard any rumors about any potential transfers going to Southampton. Lovren is being realistic about the situation and him agitating for a move is due to Southampton's lack of ambition. Liverpool, despite selling their best player, have at least shown some initiative (not enough if you ask me) in the transfer market, underlining their ambition to improve their current standing in the EPL and europe.

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  51. You missed his point, apparently Southampton has stated they want to build something. Selling three of your best players isn't exactly honoring that. Lovren has every right to be annoyed. Southampton shouldn't be surprised or upset that Lovren wants out.

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  52. Who's the fool, Liverpool or the internet poster believing everything in the football tabloids about what's happening? Forever the victim comment shows how classless you really are.

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  53. If I were a promising player on a team that just sold it's core talent group (Inluding their top future star plus their captain) I'd want out too. Lovren shouldn't have said what he allegedly said, but I think Southampton are mad they're being callled out by Lovren. Face it, Southampton isn't planning for any future at all. Lambert was at least on the older side, but Lallana and Shaw? Southampton aren't fooling anyone.

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  54. lordy do you have problems with your english or what I am still trying to make head or tails out of what you re saying! As for Lovren what will be will be but rest assured you will pay way over the odds for him if Rodgers pursues him, we can get two more Lovrens for the money which kind of defeats the object I think...

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  55. spot on nicely put.

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  56. you are entitled to your opinion but I suspect Saints have top four in mind whether you like it or not..and I am beginning to think your club has been the victim of a Southampton sting...but lets see what happens next season

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  57. think you should read what Mike Sharpe has said Saints have no obligation to tell players what offers have been made nor should they if they want to retain players or valuations are not met.Pool clearly broke the rules by contacting Lovren s agent as a means of unsettling Lovren. And thats why Saints fans are seriously angry.

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  58. Rather have Muriel

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  59. 20 mill is more than enough and they should let the lad rise up in the football world and not stand in his way. He's not even English so why the increase to 25 mill

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  60. Its been a frustrating period for most Saints fans over the last month, losing Poch to Spurs, then Shaw, Lallana and Lambert. I can see why Lovren would be concerned, but the way he has gone about this is completely disrespectful and unprofessional.

    He came out with a statement in the press before even talking to our new manager. Has insulted club who relaunched his career & the fans who supported him all year.

    His excuse,firstly that he wasn't informed of a bid. So what? in no way are clubs obliged to communicate an offer has been made to the player - why on earth would they do that? Secondly that the club lacks ambition, which I can understand to a point, but again he didn't talk to our new manager before spouting this in the press in an incredibly insulting tone.

    Yes we sold Luke Shaw....... for 30 million. That for a 18 yr old LB is crazy money (hey you could almost buy Andy Carroll for that) Lallana threw his toys out of the pram and has really burnt all bridges with Saints - that was a real betrayal. Lambert (32) left on good terms, and will be great for you guys next year. So 2 key players and a good left back have gone.

    And the response - Saints have signed Koeman as manager, Tadic and now Pelle (2 of the highest rated players in dutch league) as the first recruits, and we have a new ready made LB in Matty Targett (very highly rated in our academy) ready to come into the first team. Add to that we easily have another 40 million to put into the squad. It's hardly been ideal, but its looking likely that we will have a better first team and squad in place for the coming season. Hardly a club without ambition.

    tbh I really hope we follow Liverpool's example and reject all offers & keep him in the squad. Just like you guys did with Suarez when he was pulling this kind of crap last year.

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  61. Got to be honest it's not behaviour I like to see. I remember how much it hurt when Suarez was doing it last year. On the flip side I can't blame him for being desperate to get out of Southampton. They've sold all their best players and he knows he should be playing at a higher level. From his point of view he's only been there a year, performed to a high standard for them and now they're being offered more than double what they paid got him. It's more than a fair deal and players only get one, very short career so in some ways I can understand. He has no allegiance to Southampton. They were always a stepping stone for him

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  62. In that case why bother signing a contract at all, let players play on a pay per play basis.Ridiculous right? Whatever you may think you cant run football like that, contracts have to mean something. Just because and your clubs fans want a player to sign for you does not mean you should break the law to do it.I am certain that if there is any real evidence of tapping up a complaint goes in to the FA and thew offending club is severely dealt with and fined.

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  63. so its ok to bleat about it in the papers do you? give me a break...

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  64. says who ....hes under contract so we pay what they want or butt out....listen if we cant negotiate thats our problem not theres

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  65. You are wrong. Why dont you contact the FA you might learn something. let me explain in more graphic terms. if as you put it an agent were to be contacted by a club and offered an inducement to get his player to break a contract with your club would you be happy? No of course not . I have just given you part of the definition of tapping up which is often misunderstood by fans not just you. Agents cannot get involved prior to a deal being agreed full stop.

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  66. Suarez achieved waht he had to do on LFC, qualify for Champions League football. If the player doens't want to stay we can't force him, but Luis left the club in a classier way than Torres. At least he said goodbye to the fans.

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  67. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:52 pm, July 14, 2014

    I always preferred Barca to Madrid anyway.

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  68. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:55 pm, July 14, 2014

    Thanks...... for ALL of it...... even the frustrating bits.

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  69. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:57 pm, July 14, 2014

    I'm sure he could make a fist of it.....

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  70. AndWithSuchSimplicity12:58 pm, July 14, 2014

    And he gave us a bit of time to get a replacement.

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  71. Hey Jamie Obviously if a company bigger than where am working comes for me and offer me a bigger package, sure that would have changed my mind...so no big issue if LS *wanted* to leave...many south americans dream of playing in Europe especially Spain..so when he has the opportunity to go there, I don't think he will refuse...anyway thanks for your effort while playing for us and good luck for the future Luis...YNWA

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  72. great note.............

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  73. I think the way AM sells at first chance they get...which I hate about them and the sport in general.... I mean they had Aguero, Torres, Falcao and with just any decent amount of money that should be shared in Spanish football, instead of the basically bullying of Barcelona and RM, who keep other teams poor.... they would be more contenders then pretenders every year.


    Back to Gimenez. They just sold one defender. They are trusting him to develop with them and sell him at a higher rate in a few years or 4.

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