21 Aug 2013

'It could happen': £22m Brazilian will leave if he gets a 'good offer'. LFC bid...?

On transfer deadline last summer, Liverpool were reportedly offered the chance to sign Brazilian attacker Leandro Damiao on loan, with a view to a £13m permanent transfer this summer. Sadly, the Reds didn't take the deal (the money probably went on the failed Sahin signing), but with the apparent collapse of the Willian deal, it seems like the Reds are back on Damiao's trail. What are the chances of Liverpool pulling off a transfer? The Brazilian claims he's happy at Internacional, but he's also made it clear that a move could definitely be on the cards.

On 31 August 2012, Sami Mokbel, a football reporter for The Daily Mail, claimed that Liverpool were 'weighing up' the opportunity to sign the Internacional striker. He tweeted:

"LFC weighing up Leandro Damiao. Been offered the option of season long loan at cost of £3m. Option to sign him on perm for £13m next summer. LFC would need to make a quick decision on Damiao, though. Paperwork issues means completing deal would take longer than usual"

Well, reports this week suggest that Liverpool are back in for Damiao. According to The Mirror:

"Liverpool have back-up ­options [for Willian] in place as potential major ­signings, and [Damiao] is on that list. Brendan Rodgers believes he has the quality that can take the Reds’ forward line to the next level"

When asked last night about his future, the Damiao told Brazilian publication UOL:

"It has to be a good offer for me and the club. I am calm, nothing has come and I am still focused on Internacional and in the Brazilian Cup, but if a very good offer comes, then maybe it could happen."

In July, Internacional director Marcelo Medeiros revealed Damiao's transfer fee. He told Globo:

‘The price is £22million. If one of the clubs wants to buy Damiao, this is the price they will have to pay.’

In April, Luis Cesar Souto de Moura, Internacional's director of football, conceded that Damiao is almost certain to leave the club this summer. He told UOL:

"Leandro Damiao is indeed the player that is most likely to leave Internacional, especially because foreign clubs are interested. Damiao is the player of the moment, everyone is seeing that. He is a great player, he's very special."

With Ian Ayre negotiating contracts, Liverpool (IMO) have no chance of signing Damiao, and I doubt the club would go in at the asking price anyway.

The current belief delusion amongst Reds fans seems to be that the club signed Aly Cissokho on loan in order to save money to go towards a marquee signing (!).

I'll believe it when I see it.





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150 comments:

  1. I would be happy to see Leandro Damiao in the Liverpool red he could be the jewel in our crown, good player but is it true only time will tell. ynwa.

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  2. It's possible. Wouldn't be a bd signing.
    More probable, it "seems" would be Yarmolenko - odds being slashed on him. Has been linked before, and with no stories in the press on him be linked to the club, this is suspect. Kinda of how the odds on Suarez going to Arsenal got slashed before any stories were out - 2 weeks later came Arsenal's bid. Way I see it, someone with inside information made a big wager. Bookie's are right more often then they are wrong - it's how they make their bread and butter. So I will go with this assessment purely on that.
    Again, as you say, I'll believe it when I see it.

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  3. good player. Not sure how versatile he is. I guess when we're pressing the forwards interlink anyway, so wouldnt really matter. He'll be at spurs most likely anyway. What are the odds on spurs failing miserably? because they looked a mess on sunday. Fingers. Crossed.

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  4. Patrick Ó Fearghasa8:22 pm, August 21, 2013

    I don't believe that loan story by The Daily Mail. £22m would be a great deal but I think they would be looking for more than that now.

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  5. The last 12 days are going to be extremely interesting. I'm not convinced at all that FSG are willing to pay market value for what people are calling a 'marguee' signing. Thus, in all likelihood we are not going to get one.


    If I'm wrong, however, and FSG are truly committed to making a big name signing, then their hesitancy in the market is going to cost them, because as the window winds down, they will feel pressured (especially after the fiasco that was last year's transfer window) and will likely find themselves paying over the odds for players.


    Particularly when many of the top, top players have made their moves to clubs already, I fail to see how we can add a marquee signing without putting all of the buyout clause, and more, on the table from the off.

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  6. LEANDRO DAMIAO would be a good signing but we'd have to play him as our main striker because he doesn't have the game to play in wide positions.That means STURRIDGE would have to play on the wings or come off the bench because i doubt BR change the formation.
    Even if we were interested is anyone confident we could get this deal over the line? We are now going after our 4th choice big name signing!

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  7. to be honest, i´ve already given up... would love this to happen but with our failure to get any big-name or marquee players i doubt this will happen...
    LFC is an enourmous club in the worlds best football league and should attract all the players out there... Ayre is clearly a disturbing-factor whenever it´s about to sign someone high-profile!!

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  8. Love to see Damio come and Arda Turan and a good center back then we will be in with a chance of actually winning the league. Unfortunately the Mirror and the Daily mail who seem to make up stories will have us linked to somebody else next week.
    They didn't know jack squad about Continio last December, he was basically signed before any of the crap merchants knew about it.

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  9. I wish n may hope liverpool will grap this asset he is seriously wat our club should aim to bid he got quality personality to be a great liverpool player in near future Leandro Damaio is good product our club n for fans I wish his would happen for real . Great striker

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  10. Overrated, like most of the Brazilians around at the moment... with one exception of course!

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  11. trueliverpoolfan19938:36 pm, August 21, 2013

    The guy who writes these articles is so condescending towards Liverpool fans it's unbelievable. I've read a few of his articles and can see the character of him; pessimistic and arrogant. I'd be he'd be a real laugh in the pub (sarcasm)

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  12. We already have this guy. His name is Luis Suarez. Please another good CB first.

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  13. i´d swap suarez for another ball-boy...

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  14. yeah we aint going to get damiao. he is next star striker leaving brazil now that neymar is gone. "another one bites the dust" as jamie so often quotes

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  15. Well if it were a ball boy who could plunk 30 a year into the net I'd be for the swap too. Got one of those?

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  16. It won't happen. FSG don't sign big name players.

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  17. Ayre has no CHARISMA WHATSOVER -I would never sign for him either

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  18. Please...no more Russians. They just get homesick and become emotional basket cases until they slink back to the mother land.

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  19. aye mate. its what i want to believe as well as ive argued with ant in recent thread. its either ayre or liverpool. and i want to think its ayre who is dropping the ball

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  20. rather have a ball-boy that brings our club absolutely no profit than suarez who dissrespects us constantly and drags our club through the mire

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  21. yarmolenko isnt russian

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  22. id take that ballboy who hazard kicked over suarez, fair trade?

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  23. sniff...sniff. You live in an out-of-focus world pal. Nobody is perfect and anybody who thinks they can pull a hungry kid off the streets and make him into a perfect gentleman is dangerously deluded.

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  24. thats the perfect solution i think :)

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  25. Born 23 October 1989 in St. Petersburg to Ukrainian parents...what's the difference anyway? He'll still do just as I said.

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  26. Already been got...but I'd prefer him

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  27. nobody is perfect is a pretty weak excuse to what suarez did...

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  28. Funny you say that, just read a profile on him. Though he was a teen (like 13 or 15) he went to Kiev, but went back to his hometowan because he missed his family.

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  29. I think the real plan is putting Aly Cissokho on the left with Enrique, moving Coutinho to the middle. This means we don't need a magical wide man and will also mean FSG have spent very little money this summer and massively reduced the wage bill even further. I'm convinced all these marquee transfer rumours are put out by the FSG corporate PR machine; Can we really be missing out on so many players?

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  30. I'm no longer talking about Suarez...I'm talking about people who will cut off their nose to spite their face. And I still think we need another good CD before we go luxury shopping for yet another striker.

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  31. ian ayre needs to be sacked now

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  32. aye ignorance cannot be conciderate as excuse for being a plain ars*, as is claimed in suarez case. cause being an idiot is an quality/value as itself, like my alltime favourite musician says "There is more stupidity around than hydrogen and it has longer shelf life."

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  33. i personally think we have enough CB to go through the season - or at least until january... we have agger, toure, skrtel, kelly, coates and wisdom. thats 6 players to play 2 spots. as long as nobody leaves i think we should prioritise on a fast winger or a striker that bangs in the goals.
    of course i´d change skrtel for, let´s say, Papadopulos without blinking an eye

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  34. Pavlyuchenk, Arshavin, Bilyalletdinov, Zhirkoz, Shevchenko...they all faded soon after arrival in the heartless West.

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  35. Coates is gone with a PCL tear...probably for the season...maybe for good. Agger, though good, is always prone to what happened last weekend. Wisdom is not on the current BPL roster although if someone were hurt (Coates) he would probably slide in. I like him but he isn't really tested. Papa would be great but I don't think he's going anywhere until January at least. Toure is great, but at 32 he could get hurt and then where would we be?

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  36. it must be - the club is full of tradition everybody knows us etc. spurs havent got CL football either but yet they win a race for a player against us again...
    I feel sorry for BR as he clearly tries to bring in further additions, but it just wont work...

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  37. And you can't tell me that your nerves don't jangle every time we defend a set-piece. I personally don't think Agger has the meat on his bones to out-muscle anybody. We need some substanial size and attitude.

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  38. I think you're spot on. How is it that the whole world knows that we're after a player and what we're going to bid, before a bid has even been made? In some cases, a bid never materialised.

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  39. This is a made up story. If BR had that kind of money he wouldn't bother with loanees. The owners would bankroll a bidding war with direct rivals. That hasn't happened. Spurs get first dibs on anything that moves. With Bale on the verge of freeing up a load more left over lolly whose to say that Spurs won't outbid on this fella. After all they have chased his signature for a while now.
    LFC have not had the same luck with Suarez. Banned for another five games,signing Damiao would be perfect mitigating action.

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  40. well, we have many problems with the current team, it´s unbalanced and to thin IMO, but we wont be able to solve all the issues in the next 2 weeks..

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  41. Chelski-AV 1-1...Benteke scores another.

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  42. beast of a player

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  43. True, but I'd like to solve that one first.

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  44. Yes, agree and if anybody thinks AV is going to let him go with this great start of his, they're dreaming.

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  45. Money talks, as do connections - we have neither in abundance, hence the struggle.

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  46. Konoplyanka or iarmolenko

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  47. Yarmolenko has an awesome left foot, power, placement trickery. Assaidi was similar though. Can't cut it at EPL level.

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  48. Don't believe the Cissokho deal was to save money myself Jaimie. The reasons you gave in your other article sounded more realistic. I don't think he was our first choice at left back and perhaps we aren't sure of him. Maybe that isn't ideal but if Enrique plays most of the time it's not the end of the world, we could do to improve on him but if he finds consistency (and improves his crossing) he can be a good player for us.

    Think some sort of "marquee" signing will be on the way regardless, if we can find the right man. It seems we were definitely in for Mkhitaryan, Costa and then Willian so I'm sure we are looking at alternatives, of which this may be one.

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  49. I haven't been impressed in any of the (few) games I've seen Damiao play tbh.


    Sturridge is a much better striker imo, and I'd rather see somebody else come in, than have Sturridge shifted to accommodate an inferior player such as him.

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  50. I don't think you should fear anything really.
    I know I will still get stick from fellow fans but ?
    We are never going to go for any off these So called good signings.
    I said FSG are really not going for anyone Eg willian they wanted spur or which ever club to come in and offer more.
    It shows us fans that they are active in market.
    Don't worry about this Champions league bullshit players will go where there is better money .
    Money talks simple and FSG after carroll will not spend.
    They want us to believe there active with bad luck .
    Hope im wrong but still I am right.

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  51. Off topic. I have a question concerning tonight's game between Chelsea and Aston Villa. Reports claim that Villa had a penalty claim turned down after Terry had handled the ball. I haven't seen the incident, but remember fully well that another commentator on here got ridiculed by all and sundry last Saturday when claiming that the pen against us wouldn't have been given if it happened to a Man U defender. Now, I know that Chelsea are not Man U, but England's brave John Terry.


    Can someone clarify whether the fellow poster on here got ridiculed unfairly or if the two incidents, Agger's handball and Terry's handball were entirely different. Thanks in advance.

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  52. Yeah, sure, it's all his fault. Why do people always look for an easy scapegoat?

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  53. I've been reading a lot of the articles on this site and the one common theme I have noticed is the constant negative vibes in every article that's written. I mean seriously could you be anymore pessimistic? And may I add very opinionated!!! Anyway I personally believe marquee signing or not we are edging closer to challenging again and honestly believe within 2/3 years we will be back in the mix if we stick with it. Some people need to realise we no longer have the cash to spend really big, we no longer have champions league football there is no quick fix. Other teams are mote of a draw to the players at this moment in time. We are building, starting again from the bottom and up this takes time. I for one will be all the happier when we do return to the top we do it in the right way.

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  54. Problem is, the way Spurs have strengthened their squad we have an even longer way to go than last year. As things stand right now, we fight for fifth with Arsenal and Everton, maybe count in Southampton, who've imho bought pretty well, too. Villa seem to get better, too. We, on the other hand, haven't really strengthened much and our squad is thinner than last year.

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  55. The poster in question - Eric - was not 'ridiculed' in any way shape or form. People disagreed with him, and challenged his view in a civil manner. That is not 'ridicule'; it is debate.

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  56. Would you mind answering my question?

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  57. I agree 100% with the last comment on your article. Ever since he's taken over transfer negotiations, the club has struggled to sign top players. And I also think the owners like his work.

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  58. Shevchenko did pretty well for quite a long time in Italy, or isn't that in the heartless west?

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  59. BR is one of the reasons were not attracting the top player's !! think about it, do you really think the top players even heard of BR ?? spurs winning top players cause they have a top European manager

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  60. You've hit the nail on the head. Its going to be a long road back, with the no spend policy.

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  61. 22mil ... no more and that could be a good buy. Off topic - I dont understand why Eriksen and Alderweireld havent been snapped up yet. I know their agents said Champions League only- but they personally said differently in the past. Whenever I've seen Eriksen hes been quality; and could definitely fit in our squad. We're running out of time and it just seems like a missed opportunity given how long we've been linked, without even making an offer. I'm pretty happy with the squad too. Its just Spurs have improved vastly and the top 4 are already a couple of development cycles ahead. Wheres the marque signings rogers?

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  62. You honestly believe LFC were offered Damiao on loan, with a view to buy on the cheap? In fact, cheaper than they sold Carroll?
    And Liverpool rejected it with only 2 strikers remaining?

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  63. And oh yeah...I forgot that Kelly will be out for another 2 months until his knee is 100%. So right now we're down to 4 for 2 positions and the season is 1 game old.

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  64. Not really sure where Damiao would fit in. but he is a good player and prior to the world cup could be and exciting proposition. In another news, anyone watching ATM and FCB on Sky at the minute? because Arda Turan has been superb. I hope the scouts are watching.

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  65. Okay Spurs have spent a lot of cash but in reality they are just lucky to have a player who's valued so highly by the 'biggest' club in the world without him they wouldn't be buying these big names. Besides I'm yet to be convinced Spurs are amassing a quality team rather than names on paper... Only time will tell. I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact we created the most chances of any team in the top 5 leagues last season. One day we will start tucking those chances away and I don't think it's too far away.

    Oh yeh and by the way IMO our most important player is already the little Brazilian magician. No denying Suarez's ability.

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  66. At the start of the transfer window I wanted Eriksen and that would of done me regardless of who else we bought. As the summers progressed the more I have realised we don't need or infact want Eriksen anymore, for one main reason....he has to play centrally. We all know who needs to be playing that position long term (PC) so it makes no sense buying him when really we need wingers. The exact same reason as why buying Damiao would be IMO a mistake/panic buy.

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  67. Willian was 8/15 fav to go to LFC 5 days ago.

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  68. Just going to reiterate. that Arda Turan has been fantastic in this game. And looks exactly what our frontline needs. not just going forward; but has done so much defensive work as well. Marque signing. Right there.

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  69. I was suppose to win lotto every week .

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  70. I think Arsenal will go for Benteke.

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  71. I too would like to see him there in Liverpool shirt.

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  72. Capture him as soon as possible before the window close.please.

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  73. From what I can remember, no, the poster did not get ridiculed unfairly.
    And no, the two incidents were not entirely different. Aston Villa were ripped off.

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  74. No, the poster did not get ridiculed unfairly.
    And no, the two incidents were not entirely different. Aston Villa were ripped off.
    We can't have anybody ruining the whole Mourinho love-in though can we!

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  75. Well you can live in the clouds or actually take a REALISTIC look at this...What's the view like from up there...?

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  76. Sturridge is a faster, quicker, more agile, more skillful, more exciting and just overall better striker than Damaio for me. (He is also left footed and a former #23 which gives him extra ratings for me!)


    I'd MUCH rather see a player like Lamela added to the squad than Damiao.


    I'm well aware that we're extremely unlikely to see either join the club however :-(

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  77. We won't be tucking away those chances unless we bring in a *quality* player to put them away.....

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  78. Please transfer window shut soon, for I can no longer ride aboard the FSG transfer PR machine. (the seats are very uncomfortable)

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  79. As soon as someone is linked then EVERYONE wants them.....and start pining......get a grip peeps and hit the reality switch which in this instance is a small red box with a cross in it located at the top right hand corner of your browser. It will all seem better then :)

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  80. Sturridge is a real striker. Reminds me a little of Fowler blended with Wrighty. He seems to get in behind defences naturally and is in the right place/time more often than not. Could be one of the best.

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  81. All the players we have can put the ball in the back of the net I think it's more of a mental thing. It will come in time. Sturridge, Coutinho, Suarez, Aspas and Gerrard have all got goals in them, add in a few from the likes of Hendo, Sterling, Allen, Toure etc and I think the potential is there.

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  82. go and get the Damaio lol. waiting for what.

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  83. for the good of Liverpool Football Club, for both our present and futue this is what we should do
    1. Buy Christian Eriksen from Ajax for £15M, BR wants a marquee signing and was prepared to spend up to £27M on willian. Eriksen is a marquee signing and it still leaves £12M. plus, eriksen will come good in a few years and then we will hear we want to buy him. lets just get him now and save the bucks


    2. Buy Luis Muriel from Udinese for £15M. offer out borini to clubs for £7M as he clearly not up to scratch with our current team or our future ambitions. Muriel has alot more to offer and can develop into a world class player within the 2 years. has the ability and attributes to do so.


    3.Buy Toby Alderweireld from Ajax for £7M. hes a quality CB and why the top clubs aint come in for or Eriksen suprises me but we should tie up £22M deal quick.



    4.why the club hasnt sold Coates or Skrtel if they know there not in the plans suprises me. well it gets me mad because coates is injured so we probably cant sell him even though we could have got at least £5M. we should sell skrtel for £12M to Zenit and let Alderwerield be his replacement


    after this we should be good to go to at least January, especially with the return of suarez.


    so altogether thats
    Transfers in: Eriksen, Muriel, Alderwereild = £37M
    Transfers out: Borini, Skrtel = £19M

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  84. True, but I think this is different in that Willian seemed like a possible deal that could suit liverpool given the situation, Anzhi needing to sell and Liverpool needing a player, rather than someone Liverpool was actively targetting (after all he just signed a 30m contract in January). This guy has all the hallmarks - wierd name, lower profile, younger, good stats, previous link to Liverpool, and most importantly probably better bang for the buck than Willian. We'll see.

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  85. Sounds like Terry is just trying to copy everything Suarez does, perhaps in some sort of twisted effort to up his game. And he deserves a penalyty called against him just for that.

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  86. Wow, you have such great business acumen. I wonder why LFC haven't snapped you up yet.

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  87. We've been waiting for quite a while now to increase our conversion ratio. In the meantime other teams move further ahead of us.


    Yes, Spurs have a nice team on paper. Whether their manager manages to get the best out of them as a team remains to be seen, but I think he will.


    Spurs have more money than us if I remember correctly. They can charge higher ticket prices and have been buying very decent players (at times) for quite a while now. This window they've made many signings even before Bale left, and I would have to check now whether he has left by now.


    Coutinho might be our most important player now, but individually Suaréz is the better player, imho.

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  88. So, you don't think that he was ridiculed unfairly (unlike Jaimie, who claimed he was not ridiculed at all). All right, that's your opinion, mine differs.


    Interesting to hear, though, that after all Eric was right (apart from this incident happening at Chelsea to England's John Terry and not Man U).

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  89. I didn't say that the poster was ridiculed, I said s/he was not ridiculed unfairly.


    Anyway, I must've picked up the wrong end of the stick as the hypothetical scenarios that I saw being asserted were around what might/might not have happened if the ball hadn't hit Agger's hand and why this proved it shouldn't have been a penalty, rather than what would've happened if it the same incident involved a Chelsea or Man U player

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  90. I know, Jay. That's why I wrote " you don't think that he was ridiculed unfairly".


    I agree with you concerning the "what would have happened if" scenario. That should not matter, really (unless it involves denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity or violence or, you know the book). If I remember correctly, the commentator started his argument claiming that this particular pen wouldn't have been given against Man U. While I find the claim that the FA/refs/media are biased against us ridiculous at times, I also see quite a few incidents that back up that claim. It is interesting that a mere four days after we conceded the penalty a similar incident involving one England international is judged to the contrary by the match officials. I rest my case.

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  91. He means the COLD heartless west :-)

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  92. Or, alternatively, use the "Hide publication" option on newsnow to block the site who stir the transfer sht most (DM for instance, Daily Star now comes up with ridiculous stories, too).

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  93. And we won't sign this one either. We will not sign any player worthwhile before the window shuts. And you can take that to the bank.

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  94. Get Coutinho to give him a ring, and persuade him to join LFC!

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  95. Just because John Terry got away with it doesn't mean the Agger decision is wrong. Refs are not biased against LFC; there is no conspiracy. Referees just get decisions wrong, and that goes for and against LFC every season.

    People are so desperate to perpetuate the LFC victim complex. It just makes the fanbase look bad.

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  96. Liverpool Kopites8:56 am, August 22, 2013

    Yup. FSG implied a long time ago that they will follow Arsenal's methods. There will still be signings but don't expect us paying big money anymore.

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  97. Strong, skillful, prolific, versetile.......a class above Borini, 8million cheaper than Willian..cmon Rodgers!!

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  98. i am extremely happy to see Liverpool continuously being linked with the biggest and brightest marquee type players. Unfortunately Liverpool will not hesitate to disappoint once again. A marquee signing at Liverpool in this transfer window seems as impossible a task to accomplish by our manager as it would be for him to turn water into wine. In fact i believe it would be easier for Rodgers to accomplish the latter than the former.


    Liverpool fans have had to see Rodgers struggle in bringing in a recognized marquee footballer. Many fans have expected Liverpool to have signed someone already following strong links to Christain Eriksen, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Willian. All these targets were ultimately lost to other clubs who showed more ambition than Liverpool. It is good to see Liverpool now pursuing Leandro Demiao but unfortunately i don't believe Ian Ayre possesses the killer instinct and prowess needed to pull of a deal of this magnitude.


    Liverpool has already done very well in this transfer window with the capture of players who were not openly being pursued by other bigger clubs therefore giving no competition at all to Liverpool. Mignolet, Alberto, Aspas , and Toure were signed with relative ease, but the real challenge has been when bringing in the elusive marquee target. Normally such players are usually wanted by other big clubs and time and time again LIverpool has shown to the world that they are not able to compete with the big boys in the transfer market.


    With 22 million as the buy out clause for Demiao one would like to believe that it is a figure that Liverpool would be comfortable meeting since the club was actually prepared to pay more for Willian before Spurs jumped into the fray and started throwing Gareth Bale money around.


    Sadly i don't see Liverpool signing Demiao or any other player for whom they have to openly compete for against big clubs for. Would be nice but i don't think so.

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  99. Replace interesting with frustrating and you took the words right out of my mouth.
    For me, a marquee signing can be someone like Touré too. It doesn't have to take 30 milion. Actually, I'd be happier if it didn't. It's about the proven quality and reputation of the player. So 7 million is great! But it's not a marquee signing when it's a Barcelona reserve.

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  100. Ayre is CEO and as such runs the club on a daily basis. However, like every other CEO he has a board above him and they are the ones that control the money. I'm pretty sure Ayre can sign off on a lot of things but player fees and big investments won't be among them unless it's approved by the board. He probably got a budget before the summer and will have to make do with that. And I don't think it was a hell of a lot.

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  101. The Marquee signing :Will Hughes

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  102. I Like the look of Damiao, but we would get more goals from Jackson Martinez, he'd leave for £30m and hes so class.

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  103. Not being in the CL for the last 4 years, No European competition this year, finishing 8th and 7th in the last 2 years probably has a hell of a lot more to do with it..


    Also blowing over 120mil on average players doesn't help :)

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  104. They have no idea how a Football Club is run and there only experience with anything to do with football comes from playing a computer game.

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  105. Maybe those profession scouts that clubs pay very well see something that you don't on youtube :)

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  106. Yep.. Kopite S must be a some kind of football genius.. I don't understand why a football club has not snapped him up and made him a director

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  107. Wow.. so you must of have been personally involved in the transfer negotiations to state that Ayre has no killer instinct and prowess then.


    Or maybe it is simply that you believe in what every rag and fansite reports then.


    Could be even more simple and that after not being in the CL for 4 years, not being in Europe this year and spunking 120mil during KD's reign that we are not flush with money so we have to be very careful who we spend our transfer kitty on.

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  108. only problem being we need skrtel as we only have two fit centre backs

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  109. Also, while Terry's situation was definitely a handball in my opinion, it looked more of a freak play than Agger's.


    His arm was unnaturally up but he was in contact with a Villa player at the time and the ball ricocheted off the Villa player and Terry's heads before hitting his arm.


    Agger, on the other hand simply made a boneheaded play.


    Both are handballs, but I didn't think John Terry "got away with it" because he's on Chelsea. He got away with it because it was a bang bang play and the ref got it wrong.

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  110. I found many Italians friendly and fun to be with, but superficial. That's cold, too.

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  111. Yeah, next he's gonna bite some opposition player and ask for a transfer when on international duty.

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  112. I'm glad that I didn't argue that way. Where exactly did I say the Agger decision was wrong?


    You've made your opinion clear concerning conspiracy, but you have as much proof that you are right as those who argue that there is a conspiracy. And they bring their opinion across exactly with the same conviction as you do.


    I actually don't come across too many people who "perpetuate the LFC victim complex" to make me think that it gives the fanbase a bad look. Not at all. Probably a question of perception. I surely don't look for those people.

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  113. Yes, that explains it. Some people probably think they can fly a fighter plane, because they did so on the computer. Hold on, I can conquer the world then. Great, I'm off :-)

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  114. To late, already done that, in the process of conquering the Universe :)

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  115. Not in my world, and not in my universe :-)

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  116. Maybe you could add something sensible instead of sniping at other posters. I usually read the comments even the daft ones because I find others views interesting. Being sarcastic is considered the lowest form of wit for a reason. There was a time when you didnt know the things you do now. So get off your high horse and join the debate or do people a favour and take your sarcasm to less reputable sites please. Dont bother replying I post as a guest and wont be chasing your response.

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  117. I dont think we will see a marquee signing. The likely hood is that what we will see is similar to last season. That there is a little money available and the manager and owners will keep their fingers crossed the squad makes it in one piece till the january transfer window. Here we may buy one or two players 'if the right player(s) become available'. Being a world cup year this could be a good idea if certain players at certain clubs are not getting game time. Who knows, thats my ten pence worth anyway.

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  118. Lmao.


    It maybe sarcastic, but it doesn't make any less true.

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  119. Ghost Rider anyone alive with an active pulse who has also happened to have access to any kind of news no matter if it were from the tv or a paper would have seen us compete to sign Henrik Mkhiitaryan, Diego Costa, and Willian. All attempt to add a little more quality to the attack failed miserably. Liverpool can be forgiven for not being able to sign Costa due to the fact that he chose not to leave Athletico Madrid after all.


    For all these negotiations Mr Ayre was actively involved as Liverpool's chief negotiator. All these negotiations (except for Diego Costa) occurred as the various parent teams of our target players were actively listening to bids and also talking to other representatives from other clubs. We failed to compete.


    I might have been a little too harsh on Ian Ayre as he is only representing the club's wishes. I think it is ridiculous for Liverpool to get involved in transfer talks for established marquee players if they know that they are not really prepared to spend. Big clubs spend on big players. Our club on the other hand has never been cheaper than it currently is today. Liverpool doesn't have a lot of marquee players outside of Gerrard , Suarez and now Coutinho. Players like these are considered Liverpool's game changers. The limited number of truly dynamic creative players in our ranks is the main reason Liverpool fought so hard to keep Saurez. Let's be perfectly honest any other player showing the club that much disrespect would have been sold no questions asked.


    The argument for failing to sign marquee talent has always been that we do not have champion's league. I think that Willian De Silva formerly of Russian giants Anzhi would have come to Liverpool even if we don't have champion's league football. It is a documented fact that he'd actually followed a couple of people from Liverpool on Twitter. I think his loss to Spurs is a huge missed opportunity indeed to add quality to our attack.


    I for one want to see Liverpool who is a big club in name actually acting like a big club in the market. I want to see a ruthless Liverpool pursing top class players and spending what ever is required to land proven talent. FSG needs to get over what happened under Kenny and move on. You can't win the league or any other trophy for that matter before Gerrard retires if you don't occasionally splurge on that phenom when he is available.

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  120. Not many times LFC have now.Do not thinking very long and slowly.It is good decision if this season LFC can get sining LEANDRO DAMIAO.He have very great talent like P.Countinho.Big loss again if this season LFC miss to sign him.LFC must find 1 more attacker to reduce burden at PC10 to create many chance goal scoring.

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  121. James you might be deluded, but if we learnt something from last season, its not getting carried away with baseless (more often than not) rumours. When we bought Coutinho there were no rumours & I didn't see anyone saying well done to Ayre for negotiating that deal. The rumours that get you excited lack substance.

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  122. You say we failed miserably but that is unfair.

    If a players agent refuses to let him talk to us then how can that be our fault? Diego Costa decided to be loyal so why mention him when you talking about us failing. As for Willian, we were not willing to pay the asking price as spurs out bid us. You can even say we are cheap or the club didn't not rate him at that value. Its down to your personal interpretation.

    Yes Ayre was actively involved yet it does not mean that because we didn't sign them it was all his fault. You have to take into account all the events surrounding the transfer bid before you can simply past judgement, something which many people refuse to do.

    I am pointed out that it is not so black and white as many people think it is.

    I might have been a little too harsh on Ian Ayre as he is only representing the club's wishes. I think it is ridiculous for Liverpool to get involved in transfer talks for established marquee players if they know that they are not really prepared to spend.

    They were to prepared to spend what they deemed to be value of the player in question.

    Of course both the buying and selling club will have different valuations, the buying club will try to buy as cheap as possible, the selling club will try to get as much as possible.

    The difference we are seeing with this transfer market is that Liverpool are refusing to go above their valuation. This is mostly due to a lot of the previous signings over the last year or 2.

    I agree that we could do with more truly dynamic creative players however in our currently position, due to a number of factors its is very difficult to acquire those types of players.

    Big clubs spend on big players, to a certain degree I would agree with that, although if you look at the biggest club of them all, Man Utd, you will see a change in their transfer policy as well.

    You spend big when the right players arrives. You do not spend big because the fans demand you sign a "marque signing"

    For me its not the only argument, but it is one of many factors, although a very important one.

    It is well know that AVB had tried to sign Willian on a number of occasions. It is also know that AVB has been in contact with Willian for some time.

    Just because people follow each other on twitter it doesn't mean a thing.

    Even if we had matched spurs bid, with his relationship with AVB, Spurs in Europe, there previous league positions (a few points of 4th a number of times in recent years) they show all the signs of a club on the edge of CL Football.

    We on the other hand do not.

    We would all love to see Liverpool competing for the best players in the world, however we do not have the financial base, European Football and recently history in regards to PL to compete.



    FSG has stated a number of times that they are not going to bank roll the club like Man City and Chelsea are.


    The said from the start that there goal was to make Liverpool be able to finance themselves.


    Gone are the days of having one of the highest wages bills in the PL with no CL football to or PL top 4 to show for it.


    They have also said a number of times, so has BR, that if the right player becomes available then the funds will be made available.


    We are spending like a club that has not had CL football in 4 years. It is to be expected

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  123. Yea, those highly paid scouts did such a brilliant job in uncovering gems like Carroll for £35m, Downing for £20m, Borini for £12m etc



    Unfortunately us plebs just don't understand football well enough to see all the intangibles they offer to make these players worth so much.

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  124. Well obviously you don't understand otherwise you wouldn't of blamed the scouts for us paying way over the odds for those players.

    How good a player is can be dependent on what you pay for them.

    Lets take Carroll for example. Was he worth 35mil.. not a chance. Would he of been a bad signing for say 10mil.. I would say no.

    Scouts would of completed a dossier on those players and I imagine would of handed them over to Comolli.

    After that god knows what happened. I have no idea if it was Comolli, Ayre, KD, a combination of those or all 3 who decided that they were worth how much we paid for them, but I bet you that the scouts had nothing to do with it.

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  125. Obviously you don't understand - the money-men would determine the value of a player based on the 'dossier' that they received from those 'professional scouts that clubs pay very well'.

    Obviously you don't understand football which is why you automatically dismiss a fellow fans opinion just because you are incapable of forming a critical opinion of your own and he isn't 'a professional scout that clubs pay very well'.



    The quality of a player has nothing to do the sunk cost that is their transfer fee.

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  126. Dude, if you think the scouts have a say in how much a club spends on players.. good luck to you :)

    Yes a scout gives a dossier but after that as far as I know they play no part in the purchasing of the player.



    The only fans opinion I dismiss are those who think Football clubs is the same as playing Football Manager on their computer.


    The same fans who scream for a person to be sacked with reason other then we didn't sign a player.


    The same fans who one day love Saurez regards of what he does then the next day are burning his shirt just to back cheering him again.


    The Same fans who one day were cheering when FSG took over and are now slating them

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  127. Wow. Ghost Rider you made some really good points. You have to understand that it frustrating to watch the team you love fail to adequately compete for game changers. It is no secret that our team has a weak bench. So much that the potential loss of Luis Saurez caused a lot of loyal Liverpool fans many a sleepless night. Everyone is very grateful for the contributions of Phillip Coutinho last season. It is very clear to Brendan Rodgers of the need to add more creative types to the team. Which is why you see him attempt to sign Mkhiitaryan, Willian , and now Demiao. Infact today August 22, 2013 multiple media sources are reporting that Rodgers has openly admitted that his is committed to adding more quality to the team in his press conference he had today.


    Here is a quote today from our manager taken from the website liverpoolfcnews.net. "The players we have brought in have added great depth and support to the team, but that bit of quality now coming into the group could really set us up." I couldn't agree more there is a need for more quality on this team if we want to grow our club to that next level. It is obvious to me that the traditional Liverpool way of doing business is a failure. We have now finished below Everton our local rivals for two seasons in a row and i believe that to be a travesty. There was a time when fans would have lost you to scorn if you suggested that we would finish below Everton.


    FSG might say that they are not going to bank roll the club like Man City or Chelsea but they have got to do more financially if they really want to break into that top 4. The problem here is that other big clubs are mostly getting stronger thereby widening the margin between us and them. Yeah Arsenal cant't buy a player if they tried this window but let's face it they do all ready posses a lot of stars much more talented than does Liverpool. Which is why they see champion's league football year after year. Man U hasn't bought anyone either but i don't agree with that you they have changed their transfer policy. I think that their new manager is still learning the ropes and has just been unlucky in the market. Man U has a lot of quality even if they do not buy another player this season. Sir Alex left them stacked. Even Spurs added some real talent this year and they are rivals we will have to fight for fourth this year. Our opposition strengthens


    I am happy that Liverpool is a more profitable business these days as we have reduced the wage bill and have lowered the average age on our team. The future looks good at the club and one day our kids will grow up and then we will be a really dangerous team.


    Personally I don't see how Liverpool can ever move up to the next level of growth if we don't invest in a game winner. We need at the least one player who can score goals for fun and unfortunately this type of players will be openly contested by other bigger clubs. Yeah we lost Willian for whatever the reason weather it his long history with AVB or our lack of trophies, the bottom line is that goals scoring creative types should be a priority for us to grow or it is another mid-table finish. I will go out and say that nobody signed by Brendan Rodgers this window has upto 10 goals in them.

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  128. Reading comprehension really appears to be a weak point here - you might want to take a nap or something...


    Where did I say that scouts have a say in how much is spent by the club??


    Furthermore, what did Tom say in his comment that triggered your initial dismissive response, which was related to
    a) Football Manager
    b) wanting anybody sacked
    c) declaring any emotion towards Suarez or
    d) declaring any emotion towards FSG?

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  129. I don't believe that's the case anyway. I remember Ronaldo being sent off for deliberately handling the ball while trying to score once.

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  130. Your comment doesn't help me one bit to clarify whether or not the Agger and Terry incidents were more or less the same.

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  131. "I will go out and say that nobody signed by Brendan Rodgers this window has up to 10 goals in them."


    Aspas does.

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  132. I'm more so referring to the comparative treatment man utd players receive to the treatment other non man utd players receive

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  133. And my apologies but I didn't really read your past paragraph!

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  134. It would be very interesting to get hands on some deep analysis of this, but I couldn't be bothered enough to spend weeks to analyse the relevant stats. Of course Man U also concede penalties and also receive red cards, but that does neither say that they suffer from this as much as other clubs, or more or the same.

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  135. You do know that our current scouting set-up was not in place when those signings were made, don't you?

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  136. Question to the moderator:
    Why do you highlight the part where Ghost Rider says "I would say you clearly have little to no understanding" (the "I would say" part suggests that it is his opinion), but DON'T highlight it when Jay Wright writes "Obviously you don't understand football" (there is no reference to this being the commentator's opinion. From my understanding this comes across as an alleged "fact".). Shouldn't there be one rule for all?

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  137. Who considers sarcasm the lowest for of wit? In all my life I never came across a norm to rate what is how witty or not.

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  138. While I would like to see Alderweireld in a Liverpool shirt, I just don't see the logic in signing another central attacking midfielder (Eriksen). Though most of us agreed that Coutinho is best played there and that it would be sensible to sign someone who is comfortable with attacking from the left-wing.

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  139. Very sensible post that. You seem to think before you write!

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  140. Given how fixated many Liverpool fans are on a "marquee" signing, you'd be forgiven to start thinking they wish we turn into a circus.

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  141. You'd also think we're actually one of the big spending clubs with drawing power, running this whole transfer window circus

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  142. Indeed. The day will come when more people realise that we can and will only spend what we have.

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  143. Dear moderator,
    why have you deleted my question which I posted under this comment.

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  144. True point. If referees really are subconsciously uncompelled to give fouls to Utd players, then I'm sure that trend is going to decrease, because Fergie won't be standing on the sideline giving a piece of his own all the time anymore.

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  145. Just as long as you get your education anteater then my job is done.

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  146. Yep - there were still professional scouts in place though, headed up by the most glorified (and empowered even?) scout of all; Mr. Comolli

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  147. You bring up a very interesting and valid point there, more than one to be honest, but the subconsciousness of decision people make. Referees are human beings and they, too, just like everyone else, do indeed make decisions out of their subconsciousness.

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  148. No, I don't want that much more education. The next step for me would be a PhD certificate and I really don't see the point in acquiring it.

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  149. Most of whom have been replaced/sacked, for a reason. We have made so many poor and costly mistakes in the transfer market in the past 20 or so years that I am at least a bit relieved to see some change on that front.

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