12 Aug 2013

'Disrespect' - €64m star discredits himself with biased & unfair attack on LFC.

In a crass display of South American solidarity, PSG new boy Edinson Cavani has criticised Brendan Rodgers for his public criticism of Uruguay team-mate Luis Suarez, claiming that Liverpool's manager is not giving Suarez enough credit for his alleged 'loyalty'.

In an interview over the weekend, Cavani - who signed for Paris St. Germain recently in a staggering €64m deal - told reporters:

"The Liverpool coach can talk about loyalty and disrespect, but maybe he needs to look up what it means.

"Luis had the chance last year to join a big club like Juventus but, instead, he chose to stay and fight with Liverpool. Now, that's what you call loyalty.

"I've known about his agreement with Liverpool and understood that he would be leaving, if they were not playing in the Champions League."


Cavani seems to be a good guy overall, and he is, of course, entitled to his opinion; however, in my view, he has no right to disrespect Liverpool/Rodgers in this manner.

* First, he states that Suarez had a chance to join a 'big club' like Juventus. This is clearly a dig at LFC, with the implication being that the Reds are not a big club. Well, that is just not true. LFC is a bigger club than Juventus, and indeed PSG, and a few years in the CL wilderness does not change that. When Juve have FIVE European Cups in their trophy cabinet, and can win successive league titles without corrupt match-fixing, then we'll talk.

* Suarez rejecting a move to Juventus is NOT loyalty. It is obligation. After Liverpool (unwisely) backed him to the hilt over the Evra situation (and damaged its reputation in the process), he owed the club a massive debt of loyalty, especially after Kenny Dalglish basically lost his job as a result of his pigheaded backing for the Uruguayan.

* Last summer, Suarez had only been at Anfield for 18 months. What right did he have to ignore his contract and jump ship after such a short spell? Rejecting Juventus was a moral imperative, not a choice, and Suarez's loyalty should have been to LFC and his contract. Suarez basically followed the terms of his contract: why does he deserve credit for that?

Cavani also claims that he has 'known about [Suarez's] agreement with Liverpool' and 'understood that he would be leaving if they were not in the Champions League'. What nonsense.

* Anything Cavani knows about the alleged agreement can only have come from Suarez himself. This is only one side of the story, and given Cavani's loyalty to his fellow countryman, he is obviously going to believe whatever Suarez tells him.

* Was Cavani in the room when LFC negotiated Suarez's contract terms? NO. As such, in reality, he knows NOTHING about the alleged agreement, which means he is no position to pass judgement on the club, or make out that he knows what is going on.

* As I illustrated in an article last night, there is no available evidence to prove, imply or suggest that Rodgers has lied to Suarez. There is, however, lots of persuasive evidence to show that Suarez has misinterpreted his contract.

Cavani should keep his nose out of LFC business. He's entitled to his opinion, but that doesn't give him the right to publicly trash the club on the (biased) word of a player with a history of rampant cheating, biting and, as the FA described it in their official Evra report:

"Unreliable [evidence] in relation to matters of critical importance [which] seriously undermined the reliability of his evidence on other matters."

Rodgers clearly understands the importance of loyalty to LFC; the only person who needs to 'look up what it means' is Luis Suarez.



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129 comments:

  1. what do expect jamie false or not if its his m8 hes gonna stick up for him its what m8s do

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  2. Not sure what I make of the Uruguayans' outlook (the Uruguayn media, Uruguayan players, Uruguayan FA, fans, etc) on all the things that have happened with Suarez from the Evra thing till now. They don't sit on the fence, that is for sure and is usually on the side that Suarez is on, from my limited experience of them

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  3. EDISON CAVANI should keep his nose out of business that doesn't concern him.Focus on PSG!

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  4. Who cares what he thinks, really! Now we just need to ship Suarez out. His personality is not suited to be put in his place. Look at history BR. Its his way or the highway.

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  5. Why is this even being talked about two mates sticking up for each other who cares really.
    Why even give this legs at all .

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  6. liverpool4life5652:56 pm, August 12, 2013

    Cavani should have a would with PSG then and give us 40 million for Suarez and levezzi :)

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  7. Yes, of course. Doesn't mean I just have to let his comments slide. He is wrong (IMO)

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  8. that's not a bad idea but while he may want to be his friend he more than likely doesn't want to be his team mate....thats one two many ego maniacs at a club

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  9. If real Madrid do or did want him that's suarez why not trade for 2-3 players . I would have Modric he is proven.
    But they real might never have even wanted him.
    suarez is sounding lot like torres saying club promised things .

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  10. How much did Juve offer for Suarez? i remember number like 18m being chucked around. which is surely too low for him anyway.
    I may be wrong with the number though i havent really looked into it.

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  11. thank god suarez isnt from Argentina or it could kick off the Falklands war again

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  12. Edison Cavani like he is not one big mercenary himself what a hypocrite.

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  13. He is entitled to his opinion and he is standing up for his mate based on what his friend has told him. Obviously that will have a rose tinted perspective towards what Suarez wants. Basically who gives a monkeys what he says bottom line is unless madrid come in with a whopping offer Suarez will be a LFC player this season and he can yap and throw his toys outta the pram all he likes. About time somebody stood up to this spoiled under educated,overpaid, prima donnas. Well done FSG. Bosman ruling has totalled killed the concept of player loyalty towards a club.

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  14. plus the fact that his ability in no way justifies what those morons at PSG paid for him

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  15. "Suarez basically followed the terms of his contract: why does he deserve credit for that."

    Exactly. All this talk of loyalty is BS, he is under a legal contract to play for our club, we are under NO OBLIGATION to sell him. And i'm not even sure he would be honouring his contract as im sure there are confidentiality clauses in there, which he has clearly has broken.
    Cavani is just stirring the pot on behalf of his mate.

    Ssnews are saying real have revived their interest in him, having balked at Bales valuation. Anyone hear this or where its coming from? Sources in spain was all that was quoted.

    I can only hope its true, and we get this poison out of our club for half decent money, which we better re-invest.

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  16. the problem is other clubs know liverpool are in a pickle with this and will bid low...i

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  17. Ibra was at his sulky best again the other day in a game. Lets just say the opposition scored within seconds of said sulk!

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  18. Cavani is actually Suarez's agent. So yea, he knows everything.

    Liverpool have no obligation to sell. Its not in his contract, and has been proven.

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  19. if real offer 40m id sell in a heart beat

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  20. How about Cavani put his energy in convincing PSG to pay us 65 million euros for Luis? I'd be happy enough with that.

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  21. There were articles the other day stating that the Liverpool owners werent happy about the amount of power players (Star players) feel they have and in most cases actually do have.
    I know FSG are from baseball but im a big NFL fan and this kind of stuff just wouldnt fly in the NFL.
    Players may want a trade and might kick a mini stink up but for the most part its all done in private and rarely do players sulk around the field and when it does happen it gets dealt with very fast.
    I said the same thing when Torres wanted out shortly after signing an extension, "So they are happy to sign a 5 year contract on a HIGHER wage and then request to leave after 12 months".
    Surely these pay rises arent just for the players enjoyment, i would assume it would imply that they will recieve a higher wage and the club receive their services for the duration....you know a contract.
    We'll move on, We always do

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  22. itaian clubs take the p*ss when bidding for players.....but want millions for the crap they peddle

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  23. cafanni needs a hair cut and hes shit

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  24. poor jamie. being a liverpool fan is really hard. ok lets be serious. rodgers is so funny. does not want to sell suarez and then says. ok you can play for us, but you have to apologize, so what if suarez will not apologize? sell him, let him play without an apology or not use him. at every outcome lfc will be the big losers everybody will be laughing at. ha ha.

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  25. the fact that a major international footballer comes out and insults the way we do buisness is my major concern,could put future players of signing for us

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  26. the nfl and football are poles apart m8....football is worldwide and as such is open to more variables in different cultures laws leauges etc making it harder to implement one set of rules

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  27. I also thought this when i originally saw Cavani's comments.
    As Lugano has pointed out players do talk to other players about Teams and Leagues that may be interested in them.
    If the next young lot of superstars are on the fence about LFC, these comments could come back to haunt us.

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  28. i stood bye him through and through when jamie put him down but jamie was right hes a dick sell suarez roll on sturrige if he stays fit he will be top scorer in the epl next season i got the last 2 seasons right and this time my money is on sturridge

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  29. amateur hour springs to mind

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  30. I just hope LFC don't take the bait on this comment, and make a comment back. There is no need to even acknowledge this comment.

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  31. part of me feels for rogers because if suarez doent apolgise ( and he doesnt seem the type of guy who will ) i cant see a way out this unless we off load him abroad for cheap

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  32. Im aware of that and i totally agree.
    But i wouldnt mind seeing these owners take a hard stand on this issue, It will most likely come back to hurt us and we will be the butt of alot of other supporters jokes but it will send a message to future players that its LFC's way not theres.

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  33. Jamie can you have a word with this Joseph Coates bloke please?

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  34. Ah chillax homes.

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  35. or it may just stop them signing in the first place....great players have no problem finding a club ...but clubs have a problem finding great players

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  36. grow up jack ass did you mommy not hug you enough

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  37. To be honest with you im fine with them not signing.
    I know we need world class players and its hard to find them when you dont cave into them but i'd rather have 5 Mercenaries that want a transfer after 2 seasons go somewhere else if it meant we can find that 1 player who wants to stay.
    I know its not that easy and hindsight is a wonderful thing but players such an Ibrahimovic for example is an amazing player and i would love a player like that at liverpool but the way we are i wouldnt want that exact player at liverpool because as we've seen in the past, if he doesnt get his way its civil war and it causes trouble.

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  38. Dead right

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  39. i get what your trying to say m8 let it out;-)

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  40. liverpool4life5653:26 pm, August 12, 2013

    Think we all do, he has issues he needs to sort.

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  41. Spot on JK spot on

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  42. maybe he could get a job on our commitee ;-0

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  43. may be hes the guy who wrote out the Suarez contract

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  44. You just took all the words right out of my mouth

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  45. or is keyboard is f"cked

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  46. check your gold fillings m8;-)

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  47. thats your excuse haha

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  48. Look I'm an arsenal fan and yes as much as I want Suarez to become a gunner I do feel sorry for Liverpool. If it was any other player at Liverpool behaving like this they would be sold yesterday. It's just the case Suarez is your best. But surely the best solution for all parties is go back to the table with arsenal ask for 45m then spend 30 of it on Jackson Martinez and use the remaining 15 to buy a left back centre back or winger. Jackson could score a lot of goals if he combines well with coutinho who looks set for a big season. Do you guys agree?

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  49. Arsenal would be the worst team to sell to at this point..the cheeky offer and under hand tactics, the fact that you are direct rivals for fourth place...doesn't make sense at all no I don't agree...he should go but not to arsenal. I'd prefer him in the reserves that to Arsenal. I think Real will come in and if they bid 40 we should bite their hands off!

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  50. Do like martinez and he scores goals. No disrespect to arsenal, but we cannot give ye a 25-30 goal striker. You are the competition for fourth spot. We cannot strenghten our rivals and weaken ourselves in one move. Ye did it last year with VP and it was a gamble that nearly cost ye CL. I know he only had 1year left, but would that 28mil ye got have been good business if it cost you CL? It's a gamble we cant take. I dont want this guy at our club anymore, he's poisonous, but to sell to arsenal would be to admit defeat in the hope of CL.
    But i do appreciate your point. This has gone on way too long.

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  51. And please save on the pity...Liverpool hold all the cards in this situation seemingly....you want one of our players...either pay an inflated fee after your ridiculous conduct or kindly jog on :)

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  52. id sell him to you for 45m......its been said ive no faith in the team but to me its the other way around ...i have faith in liverpool ...let him go ....hell miss the first set of matches and this year around will get niggled by every Cb in the league...suarz has no friends and it works against you P*ss poor cb will be looking for a chocolate medal for kicking him out of the game and after a season he will pull the same stunt with you he pulled with us....if he goes to arsenal and fails the pressure ion wenger will be immense

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  53. If Arsenal do not qualify for the CL and lets be honest here its a real possibility, and Arsenal come back for Suarez, I wonder if he will welcome a move then?

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  54. I agree but I think to Arsenal it should be more than 45. I want the fee to be enormous if Arsenal are the only option. There is principles at stake here and I'd prefer us to stick two fingers up at Arsenal and sell him abroad for cheaper if there's an option for that. They are a club that I used to respect but they have been classless in this case as the pressure mounts to get in a 'name'. Sad state if affairs...shame on Arsenal

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  55. Course he will, he wants to be closer to the media in Canary Wharf/Fleet Street ;)

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  56. if spent wisely 40 to 50 m will improve our team more than suarez will improve theres that's just my opinion...no wonder suarez and his ego are out of control we are more or less telling him we are shit without you

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  57. its all about money as well they are offering 16o grand a week

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  58. Of course he won't lol he hasn't once mentioned them by name...and these guys choose their words very carefully...smacks of keeping his options open. If he only wanted Arsenal he would have put in a transfer request and nailed his colours to the mast. He referred to them as 'a champions league club' I would have expected him to waffle on about working under Wenger or something similar if he really wanted Arsenal.

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  59. If he came out to the fans and said he wanted to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona or Bayern because of the press in the UK the fans would have wished him well as players come and go but it is the manner he has gone about it and what has gone on befrore hand that makes Suarez such a swore subject. Suarez doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and at no point did he have the chance to join Juventus they tabled an insultingly low bid and LFC rejected it he had no say in the matter. Cavani decided to join PSG for the astronomical wages he will receive as he could have joined many clubs with far more pedigree so his opinion doesn't count for much to me. Loyalty is what the fans and club have shown Suarez since day one at times blind unwavering loyalty, Suarez cost Kenny his job, dragged our name through the dirt, made us the butt of all jokes and has done nothing but disrespect our club and traditions on and off through out his anfield career and still we stood by him, then he commits the final insult to us by whoring himself out to other clubs using the media, that same media that he claims has hounded him and made his life a misery in England, then he claims it's for Champions League football and Brendan promised him a move if we failed to get in the CL. Utter bull! GET SHUT OF HIM I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE SNAKE! Lets move on without him Y.N.W.A

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  60. I love the way that LFC fans can't comprehend the fact that they might not always be in the right??? This is why everyone keeps calling you lot deluded...you really ought to do some self reflection. Free Luis Suarez!

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  61. Yes because Liverpool are the first club in the history of the sport to want a players value not just what another team wants to pay

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  62. lol PSG are in love with Wenger, he helped them plan the the Qatar takeover of the club! COYG!!!

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  63. suarez wanting to go to arsenal to win things is deluded

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  64. Which way are we not in the right? Enlighten me

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  65. yes, but Suarez going to Arsenal because they are a better club than LFC makes sense to me :)

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  66. the list, unfortunately is too long, but I have been quite vocal on the matter if you refer to previous articles :)

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  67. i cant argue with that you really have stacked up the trophies in the last few years..plus he gets to live in london lucky boy

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  68. Dear me lads other fans thinking we are deluded..lets bombard FSG and demand they release Suarez for less than he's worth. Tell them don't worry about the fee..I mean for all his loyalty he should be allowed to leave for free surely? Go home arsenal..you're drunk :)

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  69. I agree totally, good article...



    Cavani should concentrate on PSG and keep it buttoned, we are not a slave farm that is continually whipping Suarez and making his life a living hell, he is one of the fortunate on this planet that does something for a living that he truly loves and gets paid a kings ransom to do it...

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  70. I know LFC fans love shiney things, I too would like a title for AFC. But we have our aspirations higher that the league cup. In any case didn't JW say you already had that one wrapped up for next season?

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  71. All correct and very good ideas XD

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  72. Your aspirations in the League Cup are so high that you get to the league cup final and choke...



    Interesting!

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  73. If by "vocal" you mean you've spouted endless drivel then yes you've been vocal...have you got the help you said you needed yet?

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  74. If it did ever happen I would want Liverpool to agree to sell him to Arsenal and then watch him either accept the move and then be laughed at by all and most likely demand a move in Jan if CL Team come in for him as he wont be Cup Tied, or watch him turn down arsenal and see all the arsenal fans start saying how they didn't want him in the first place :)

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  75. Yes arsenals high expectations include : Finishing 4th or possibly 3rd, Make the group stage of the CL competitive but getting out of it isnt required.
    How about they SHOW the ambition you talk of and pay up what Suarez is worth

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  76. ...so you are drunk then.

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  77. True enough, I suppose this is why Arsenal have sold 3 Captains in 5 years :)


    RVP, Fabregas, Galles all sold, not to mention players like Nasri, Flamini and Adebayor who all wanted to leave Arsenal because they were so good :)

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  78. Who really cares what Cavani thinks anyway?

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  79. The whole saga with Suarez, has distracted from the fact, the squad is weak and hasn't been improved on last season. In fact downings experience off the bench will be missed. Shelvey and suso are gone. The keeper and centre back positions have been replaced, not added too. No one can argue its not good enough. According to Rodgers latest statement, only a leftback and winger are coming in, hoping it proves to be more than that. Dissapointing window so far.

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  80. Chances are even if they got him he could be made captain at some point...then his contract would be allowed to run down as we know how much Arsenal love to save money...then Man Utd could come in and bully them into selling at the princely sum of 10 million and a penny...or am I being silly..stuff like that doesn't happen in real life! ;)

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  81. By the way.. What has Arsenal won say in the 10 years...

    2 FA Cups and 1 Community Shield and erm... yep that's it :)

    Yep.. I call them higher aspirations :)

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  82. Who is likely leaving this year from AFC? Now think..I know its hard...Who is likely leaving from LFC? Have fun with that :D

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  83. Oh yh we know about your aspirations mate...Your not as good as you think you are. We have been through management and ownership turmoil over the last few years and are rebuilding..what have you done with your stability? You talk about living in the past when we have won a champions league, fa cup and league cup and got to another champions league final to boot since you last won anything..,plus we've been closer to the league title more recently than Arsenal

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  84. Never heard of such a thing! It'd be outrageous! .....Hopefully, given the 20th deadline Real have put on the Bale deal, we can all be free of Suarez in eight to 12 days...and Demostines!

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  85. Agree entirely but out of principle it should only be to Arsenal at a ridiculous fee and as a last resort. I'd take 40 from Real in a heart beat just to wipe the smirk of gooner faces. We are not as bad as people make out nor are we a one man team. That would strengthen us more than him staying..he is poison right now we would be best off selling him ASAP I agree

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  86. Don't forget that we have 2 world cups, and about 17 continental championchips. Of course we side with our players - to a point.
    The Evra debacle - well that's how we speak, so we'll defend it. The biting no - even though there is a bit of a Uruguayan tradition of eating human flash (see the movie Alive - they were Uruguayans), we do not condone that. Most people are wishing Suarez would clean up his act a bit, and get better representation, but the press treatment if Suarez, and consequently Uruguayans is a tad too far.
    I think most Uruguayans recognize that Suarez isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Plus, he is an amazing football player, and he is ours. The most entertaining player the league, and he plays the same way for his country - can't same the same for most british players, where playing for country is a burden.

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  87. Outrageous indeed! Biggest joke of a club in terms of contract negotiations...the amount of players they have sold for waaay below their value is staggering...and all due to negligence, penny pinching and lack of ambition..a sad state of affairs my friend..

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  88. westham are also trying to get sterling by all accounts as well ....agger suarez sterling downing skirtal will we have anyone left hahaha

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  89. 40 million would be enough to get any of your players without a second thought! And yet we are average?give me a break pal! I could name 5 liverpool players that would walk into your first team..you're not as far ahead as you would like to think!

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  90. Are you seriously using quotes from the FA's "Independent Panel" to push your ideas. Could you get a less reliable, more biased source, other than yourself of course

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  91. Cavani is a saint! Like really if there is any player in the world that you JK would want on your team, it's this guy. Very honourable, respectable, corteous player - and on top of that he is a Beast!
    He's allowed his opinion - and it might not be a bad idea to consider an outsider's opinion every once in a while.
    Liverpool are big club, and have history, If you look at the NHL so are the Montreal Canadians and the Toronto Maple Leafs - the 2 most winning teams ever. The Canadians have 23 cups, but haven't won in more than 20 years, the Leafs have 13, and haven't won in over 40 years.
    You look at recent history, Liverpool is not as big a club as Juventus (had an undefeted season 2 years ago) or even Arsenal. Yes the fans are great, the atmosphere is great, but their current record is not equal to the past.
    It sucks to have your team dissed, but there's some truth to it. Even with all the fans and history, at present, Liverpool are not challengers, nor are they trying to be. As fans, you can't be faulted for this, but look at the reality - owner is saying there is no time to find a replacement. This is true if you are going to try and replace Suarez with 8M. Get it?

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  92. Took you a while ;)


    'Of course we side with our players - to a point'


    And its 'to a point' is what I find over the top, in regards to the level some Uruguayan entities defend/talk of him and attack those who attack him, such as yourself in some instances. Of course your going to defend him but I don't agree with the extent, the extent of how the bias tints the defence. But each to their own. In some ways, the Uruguayan talk of him has been as bad as the British media they complain about. It is the just way it is, people like to protect their own, albeit in varying degrees.

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  93. Lucky they don't allow that in the rule book then..I'm sure he would switch allegiances if there was a cash incentive...XD

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  94. There anybody left to leave lol.. they have all gone :)

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  95. Ouch! To be fair as club's go I like Arsenal and don't think they've really done anything wrong here, certainly nothing much out of the ordinary when it comes to transfer niggles between clubs...the problem isn't them, it's Suarez... he's lead them on IMO..

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  96. Yes Juve are a very successful Team in the Modern Era.


    Their last European Success was runners up in CL in 02/03 season.


    As for the Domestic Side.. very hard to judge in a league were match fixing is well apparently all part of the game.


    I'm surprised they actually haven't made match fixing into a Cup Competition.. points are giving for the most players bribe during each game :)

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  97. Also helps the way the Milan clubs have become mediocre now.


    Add in Juve are the most popular club in Italy for many a year, regardless of what Milan did.

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  98. You have a good point. Players wording of "big club" is based on champions league partisipation these days. Liverpool, like it or not is a big club, in terms of history, but is stagnent at the moment.. The best example to give is Nottingham forest. 2 x European champions. A bigger club than most with that record, but where are they to now?(extreme example) Unless you are in the CL, forget about keeping WC players,especially if like Liverpool, you aren't signing better players than the team that got you 7th place. But it doesn't prevent Liverpool getting their price and selling to a team of their choice.

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  99. All depends what you define as a big club...arsenal currently have a slightly better TEAM..but Arsenal are a dot on the world stage and serial chokers with no European pedigree to speak of and no ambitions other than to get into a competition they have little chance of winning and to make money...so no I disagree...never have I seen a team celebrate being fourth best...that used to be failure...or am I just getting older...even when Liverpool made the Champions League year in year out I never used to see it celebrated..right now it's necessary to allow you to attract players easier to have a crack at the league...but it will never be the height of my ambitions no matter how much money is involved...

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  100. Talking of honourable and courteous player, quite hilarious watching Cavani and Chiellini having a constant go at each other during a serie a game. Hair pulling, elbows, etc, you name it, it happened!

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  101. I used to have nothing but admiration for Arsenal as a club..and their conduct is usually impeccable..but they have been classless in this instance. The 40+1 bid is what irked me..not so much them bidding..I have no problem with that...it was a blatant two finger salute to Liverpool and backfired spectacularly. They are that desperate for a 'name' that they are he'll bent on getting a player they called a racist cannibal etc etc less than 2 months ago...not only that but it has become apparent that they have encouraged him to agitate for a move so they can get him at a knock down fee...classless as I said..and they have made their bed..I sincerely hope they don't get him purely on principle..the message it would send would be detrimental going forward

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  102. liverpool4life5655:50 pm, August 12, 2013

    No one cares what you think.

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  103. I'm a fan so even though expecting loyalty and commitment is unrealistic, I still can't help but expect it..nothing wrong with wanting the best from your career..it's the way some go about moving which I can't tolerate...spitting in the face of a club that has given you a platform to display your talents and paid you handsomely for the privilege...whilst being adored by millions

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  104. Here here! Nicely one Jamie, glad you've jumped on this story early, was inevitable that more noises would come out of the Suarez camp, stirring up more shit for our Club....


    Cavani is just being used to promoted Suarez's agenda, this will continue IMO Suarez single handledly has the capacity to disrupt the whole mood within & without the Club, he will not relent, BR has my complete & utter sympathy in this regard, horrible situation, toxic for the fanbase, toxic for the dressing room & more importantly toxic for the Club itself.....


    The only good that might come out of this whole saga is that if handled correctly it could be used as a unifying factor, kind of like right lets show this ungrateful fuckerrr that we can do this shit without him, if ever there was a player who deserved to be thrown into the reserves to rot it is Luis Suarez.


    I personally think it has gone well beyond the point of no return, i don't want an apology from Suarez, would'nt accept one, its way too late for that, as i said earlier, either he goes abroad or is thrown into the reserves never to play in our first team ever again.

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  105. I second this motion...apology is not enough for me...I don't want to see him in a Liverpool jersey every again he has the morals of a rat..

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  106. I completely agree, I have said a number of times on this that History is that.. History.


    The only thing that matters these days is are you in the CL,, everything else is a distance second.

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  107. "Cavani is a a Saint", i'm sure he'd be recommended for sainthood in a few years time

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  108. I have a different outlook on it given that for me Suarez's camp must have given them the nod for the bid amount...also I'm not that bothered by the bid they made, it makes perfect sense from their side, why pay more if you think that triggers the clause and springs the player...the problem was they were poorly informed...again for me by LS and his camp. Also, and again just being fair, I don't remember the club saying LS was a racist cannibal... some of their fans might have done. I agree though with the hope they don't get him, purely because I want the outcome that's best for LFC and that certainly wouldn't be it to my mind. I can't see it happening now...my hope is that the upshot of it all could just be the making of FSG if they play it right.

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  109. He's already met with the pope - can't be far off.

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  110. good for him ,i'm sure he'll sell lots of calendars

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  111. Maybe we could literally bite their hands off..would be an appropriate send off for him in a way

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  112. The nerve - to touch his locks! Ha, but I don't think he's even been red carded. Won't celebrate goals against former temas - stand up guy.

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  113. It certainly would be! And usually if there is a clause for 40 million that's what the buyer bids...adding a pound was designed to antagonise and it worked...if there was indeed a clause there would have been nothing we could have done..and the media lapped it up..that was my problem. The hilarious thing is I think the deal would have been done by now if they had not been so cheeky. I think FSG took it as a slight hence the Henry twitter comment about what are they smoking over at the Emirates. I have no doubt that Suarez and his camp are mostly to blame but Arsenal are not innocent either...but you make valid points about it being their fans and not the club being so hypocritical. Either way I wouldn't want him going there unless its for a crazy amount of money and a last resort...I'd go as far as to say I'd be happier with 40 mill from Real than 60 from the Gooners. Selling to Arsenal would send out the wrong message

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  114. Given that Suarez got the details of the clause so wrong it wouldn't surprise me if they were informed it had to be bids over £40 million...hence the quid, but even if they added it to be cheeky I'm not so bothered, John Henry got his own back. A bit of "banter" between the clubs adds to the spice of it all, as long as it's kept in proportion. Absolutely agree with the 60/40 thing...mind you I can't see Arsene going that far, he'd have a coronary handing it over!

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  115. Yep, he took out a advert in one of the main italian papers as a goodbye to Napoli.

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  116. That is just standard procedure for a lot of players but he took out an advertisement in one of the main Italian papers to say goodbye Napoli, which was a nice touch. I'm a fan of his and rate him more than Cavani in terms of what he did in Italy, even though Suarez is more talented.

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  117. Edinson Cavani needs to concentrate on justifying his £55 million price tag. In a way it's his fault that Suarez hasn't got his move because if he is worth £55 million then Suarez is worth double :-)

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  118. The reason why Uruguayans are coming out in defence for him is because the focus on him is completely disproportionate. He's done some stupid things, some questionable things, sure, we all agree on that - but the defense is strong because the offense is strong.
    If you look at the number of articles that come out on Suarez, 99% which cast him in a negative light, a good number of them which cast Uruguayans and South Americans in a negative light, you'd understand. With the racial abuse scandal Uruguayans take it personally because it is to say that Uruguayans are rascist basically - because the language that was used is common place, and no, it is not considered rascist.
    "Luis Suarez" the story, the character, is much bigger than LS the player. He is the most written about player in the world. Even when he is not doing anything, he's still the focus of attention.
    So yeah, I'll defend him, as will other Uruguayans, but it's not absolving him of blame, rather making the case that it's not as bad as its made out to be.
    You have to admit the level of reporting, terminology used, and things that get scrutinized are on a rediculous proportion. "diabolical intent" "devil incarnate" "work of a cheat". Not even to mention what gets said in the comments sections.

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  119. 'With the racial abuse scandal Uruguayans take it personally because it is to say that Uruguayans are rascist basically'

    I didn't see that view being illustrated in many mainstream media sources. I certainly do not agree with the assumption that most mainstream media outlets were attacking Uruguay as a race. That is ludicrous. Most basically said word shouldn't be used in UK, regardless of the meaning of the word used in Uruguay. And I agree with that view. Word shouldn't be used in the UK, especially in said circumstances. That is not an attack on Uruguay. Clearly isn't. It is a different culture here, in regards to the wording of said word. For anyone to take it as a attack on Uruguay is just simply naive.

    'Not even to mention what gets said in the comments sections'

    I don't place much importance to comments sections, even if i post in them.

    'Even when he is not doing anything, he's still the focus of attention'

    Before the latest bite and his previous misdemeanor, he was barely in the spotlight for negative reasons.

    'You have to admit the level of reporting, terminology used, and things that get scrutinized are on a rediculous proportion'



    Some of it was of ridiculous proportion but no more than some of your attempts to demonize the media in a questionable stereotypical fashion, such as playing the childish xenophobia card.

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  120. Suarez did not reject a move to Juventus unless Liverpool agreed to sell him in the first instance. And in spite of the foolishness in LFC transfer exploits in recent years, I seriously doubt that they would have agreed to sell him at that point.

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  121. But the media is the devil, even the BBC is getting in on it. And if you didn't catch the undertone that diving and cheating was imported, and inherently unenglish in so much of the coverage, then maybe you're blind. And sorry, but the dude is held up to a different standard. Look at the treatment for a dive, the millwall handball, the admitting to the most obvious dive in the world, and PFA chief justifying the inclusion of the top goalscorer in the shortlist for player of the year - it's one standard for him, another for everyone else.

    Anyways its getting boring - at this point , as everyone else, I would like to see this sorted out.

    I don't really care if he stays or goes, but if he stays I'd like to see the rest of the team boost their level - not one even approaches it, and it's damn frustrating to watch.

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  122. 'But the media is the devil, even the BBC is getting in on it. And if you didn't catch the undertone that diving and cheating was imported, and inherently unenglish in so much of the coverage, then maybe you're blind.'

    Yes, diving has been going on here for many decades (Franny Lee for example) but to small degree. Whereas it happened a lot more in other countries. So of course, they are going to put a lot of the blame on foreign influence, when it started becoming more and more mainstream the diving as more foreign players were coming into the game here. Hardly unreasonable stance by the media. Yes, they do conveniently ignore the cheating of Gerrard, Rooney, etc. They are bias in that regard but I agree with them that foreign influence has seen a rise in diving in the English game in the last two decades.

    ' And sorry, but the dude is held up to a different standard'

    Of course he is and rightly so. What other player in the last decade in the UK, in the PL, during the social media era which has intensified the spotlight of coverage, in the last few years where racism has reared its ugly head, has done the variety of bad things that Suarez? No one. So of course, he is going to get vilified and rightly so. He deserves most of what he has gotten, as the number of things he has done and the nature of those has meant he is held to a different standard. Whether it be biting, diving, kicking, elbowing, pulling hair, referring to a person's colour on a pitch in UK, or swearing at fans, no one player has done all this in the last decade in UK apart from Suarez.

    He is held to a different standard as he has a record of behaving in various negative ways and to various levels. I don't see what the problem is here, it is quite obvious as to why he gets treated differently. Some of it is harsh but it isn't unsurprising and most of the treatment he has gotten he deserves and is mostly his fault.

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  123. JK where did my reply go?

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  124. JK, my post has gone again, please oversee and let it through.

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  125. Juve all day...fans of the EPL have zero knowledge of other leagues it seems. If you know the match-fixing scandal you realize there was nothing to it and the Italian Football Association, FIGC, essentially punished everyone without actually looking into it first. Not only that, tell a story where Liverpool gets docked 2 championships and demoted, and then comes back the next season to qualify for the CL. And in 6 years rebuilds itself to a legit Euro contender and domestic power. All relatively internal with smart, timely signings. Say what you will, but there are only a handful of Clubs in the world that could be put through the ringer as Juve was and be where they are at today (in a country where finances are incredibly poor)....and LFC is, without a doubt, not one of them.

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  126. 'smart, timely signings.'

    Considering I don't know much about the match fixing, Moggi, etc, stuff, in terms of the legal angle, I shall understandably refrain from treating what some internet warrior has wrote (e.g. you) as the gospel truth as it is without proof. I'll look past that bit and look at something else. Not because I am a PL fan that doesn't know doesn't anything about other leagues but when it comes to legal matters, I tend to tread carefully and like to gauge high standard of proof, before taking serious internet warriors and their so-called conspiracy theories. They got their act together of late with their signings yes (I think under a new management) but before then, they did have a season of bad bad bad expensive signings, post-Calciopoli. Diego, Melo and Amauri. A horrendous waste of money (not even including other seasons of Poulsen, Tiago, Sissoko, Iaquinta, Martinez, etc, post-match fixing/Moggi). Gives our spending on Carroll, Downing, etc a run for our money, in relation to the flop nature. Certainly hasn't been plain sailing the rise from the ashes and have wasted a lot of money to get to where they are now, since match fixing/Moggi scandal. Not just in terms of transfer money but also wages. Say what you will, it hasn't been a flawless rebuild, not even close, when there has been a lot of money wasted. Oops, I'm a 'EPL' fan, I shouldn't know this, right(!)

    Only in the last two/three seasons, have they made a better job of running the club well financially. I am not just talking about signings but profit/losses, check the accounts. They were doing a poor job of it. Admittedly, some of it was necessary.

    But kudos to Agnelli & co, with the books in order now, money from CL and new stadium, they are looking pretty good financially currently as long as they continue to be managed well financially. They might be in a fine state now but they weren't always like this, post-Moggi. They are in a good state, a very good state....by current Serie A standards, a league that they are able to win without a breaking a sweat, such is the quality of the league as well as the quality of the team itself.

    'fans of the EPL have zero knowledge of other leagues it seems'



    Maybe you should refrain from such tabloid-like generalisations. It is lazy and rather stupid, as it says more about you negatively, than it does about the people it is aimed at.

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  127. Remember how Reina disrespected Arsenal by putting on Fabregas a Barcelona jersey despite Fabregas been an Arsenal Player. Fabregas eventually got his wish. I applaud Henry and all the Liverpool hierarchy for their stance on Suarez. i hope they maintain it till the end of the transfer window to break this so called "player power"

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  128. I will grant you a well-written response, however, just by giving kudos to Juve backhandedly doesn't mean A-you are making a fool-proof point, and B - that you are even addressing what I said. You took 2 phrases and went off on a tangent. I applaud your knowledge of some of this stuff, but obviously, my remarks were targeted at people on here and the writer himself who claim LFC to be the altar to God as far as football clubs go.

    As far as the money Juve spent "poorly" - This is Juventus, not Napoli, not Parma etc. Every year there are expectations and sometimes you need to try and make investments. Teams like Juve and Milan are not awarded rebuilding seasons, just how it goes.

    The larger point that you seem to gloss over is that Juve are very near the top again. Claim what you will about "not breaking a sweat" to win Serie A, but if you have knowledge of the league, you know that Napoli, Milan, Lazio, and Fiorentina are all going to be very competitive this season. On top of that, Italian football has the knack about them that they always find ways to play competitive matches. The bottom teams can beat the top teams in Serie A (this is a plaudit for the bottom teams not a knock against the top teams). Italians take football and treat it as American Football. They are tactically ready from match to match - which translates into the national team. Top to bottom, (not just top 4 i.e. PL) I expect Serie A to be the most competitive league this season far and away.

    Juventus is the engine to the national team. There is a level reached in training and intensity for the club that pours into the country's team. I can tell you that more players from Juve have won a world cup than, not only LFC, but any club in the world. (A stat from the Juventus website). I don't know how many starters from LFC are on a national team let alone 1 national team, but to have 6-8 starters at any given time in the Euros for Italy, I'd say Juve have done pretty well for themselves without, as you said, "breaking a sweat".

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