In an interview yesterday, Liverpool striker Luis Suarez admitted that he deliberately cheated in a recent Premier League game with Stoke City. After the club's ill-advised blanket support for Suarez over the last eighteen months, I fully expected LFC to respond with pig-headed defensiveness over the issue. Thankfully, Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has slammed Suarez for his comments, and vowed to take action against this self-confessed cheat, who continues to bring the game into disrepute, and sully the reputation of the club.
In a laughably hypocritical and tragically ironic interview with Fox Sports Argentina, Suarez made the following disgraceful confession:
"I don't listen all the nonsense some people say about me. I'm accused of cheating here. People say I throw myself all the time inside the box. Let's see: they said that when we played against Stoke, for instance, and in that case they were right. I invented a foul because we were drawing against Stoke and I wanted to win".
This comes as absolutely no surprise, especially since Suarez already stated last year that he would happily cheat if it helped Liverpool to win a game
"The sacrifice I made [against Ghana] was because it was so important for Uruguay to make the semi-finals. If I am obliged to stop a ball in the last minute and we win, then I will repeat the action. Success for Liverpool is more important to me than anything else".
In his press conference today, Rodgers was asked about Suarez's comments, and he said:
"I’ve seen the comments and I think it is wrong. Certainly from our perspective it is unacceptable. It is not something we advocate here. Our ethics are correct. This is a big club and whatever people do say goes around the world, and what was said was wrong and not acceptable.
“There is no one bigger than the club or the club’s image. The comments, from our point of view as a club, are not what we would want to hear. This is something which was obviously wrong and is not something we associate with as a club of this standing."
Suarez being a shameless, unapologetic cheat is bad enough, but even worse than that are the fans who praise, encourage and condone his cheating. Even after he admits it in public, so-called fans are *still* making excuses for him. It's pathetic, and none of these fans who defend Suarez support LFC; they support Luis Suarez FC.
If these fans actually wanted the best for the club they would realise that their ignorant, star-f**king, cult-like, apologist groupthink sycophancy is incredibly damaging, and worst of all, enabling.
Thankfully, Liverpool FC itself is not ignorant or stupid enough to condone a public admission of cheating, and it is to Rodgers' credit that he has acknowledged that Suarez's cheating behaviour is unacceptable.
In my view, Suarez should be fined and banned, and then sold to the highest bidder in the summer.
Jaimie Kanwar
In a laughably hypocritical and tragically ironic interview with Fox Sports Argentina, Suarez made the following disgraceful confession:
"I don't listen all the nonsense some people say about me. I'm accused of cheating here. People say I throw myself all the time inside the box. Let's see: they said that when we played against Stoke, for instance, and in that case they were right. I invented a foul because we were drawing against Stoke and I wanted to win".
This comes as absolutely no surprise, especially since Suarez already stated last year that he would happily cheat if it helped Liverpool to win a game
"The sacrifice I made [against Ghana] was because it was so important for Uruguay to make the semi-finals. If I am obliged to stop a ball in the last minute and we win, then I will repeat the action. Success for Liverpool is more important to me than anything else".
In his press conference today, Rodgers was asked about Suarez's comments, and he said:
"I’ve seen the comments and I think it is wrong. Certainly from our perspective it is unacceptable. It is not something we advocate here. Our ethics are correct. This is a big club and whatever people do say goes around the world, and what was said was wrong and not acceptable.
“There is no one bigger than the club or the club’s image. The comments, from our point of view as a club, are not what we would want to hear. This is something which was obviously wrong and is not something we associate with as a club of this standing."
Suarez being a shameless, unapologetic cheat is bad enough, but even worse than that are the fans who praise, encourage and condone his cheating. Even after he admits it in public, so-called fans are *still* making excuses for him. It's pathetic, and none of these fans who defend Suarez support LFC; they support Luis Suarez FC.
If these fans actually wanted the best for the club they would realise that their ignorant, star-f**king, cult-like, apologist groupthink sycophancy is incredibly damaging, and worst of all, enabling.
Thankfully, Liverpool FC itself is not ignorant or stupid enough to condone a public admission of cheating, and it is to Rodgers' credit that he has acknowledged that Suarez's cheating behaviour is unacceptable.
In my view, Suarez should be fined and banned, and then sold to the highest bidder in the summer.
Jaimie Kanwar
He may get picked on but he certainly doesn't help himself to better the situation. Just doesn't seem to learn his lesson, with some of the stuff he comes out with in public, Suarez.
ReplyDeleteIt will be hypocritical of BR to slam Suarez now. Everyone knew he dived against Stoke purposely. If BR wanted to slam him, he should have done it then. Now if BR acts like he thought it was an actual fall and not a dive until Suarez admitted it then BR is dumbest manager in EPL.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't care about it. Stomped by Huth in the same match, I would go nuts if that happens to me.
I'm glad BR has slammed him for this. I have defended Suarez on many occasions but this was totally uncalled for. By now he should be well aware how the British people feel about cheating and should learn to keep his mouth shut. I hope he misses the Norwich game.
ReplyDeleteFuck up you fucking hag gas head your no Liverpool supporter you just write a load of shit and send treating E mails to officials of LFC you fucking prick
ReplyDeleteare you actually kidding me? the amount of diving that goes on in the game that doesnt get picked up on and that isnt admitted to is ridiculous. yet suarez admits to it and suddenly he is even more of a villain than he is already made out to be? the whole game of football is a complete embarrassment and its not just suarez, who compared to most foreign players who roll around on the ground five times, is actually not that bad. i hate diving and it ruins the game and i have to laugh at some of the things that go on otherwise i'll go insane. but your treatment of suarez is unbelievable. as for rodgers, i agree with chirag vyas, why would he only just fine him now?
ReplyDeleteI think it is just another part of the "art" of football... how is diving that much different from the way 90% of players make out they have been seriously injured after a tackle to get another player sent off?
ReplyDeleteYou are a prime example of what I'm talking about. Instead of considering that issue, you seem to indirectly defend Suarez by using other examples that are not entirely relevant. It's as if you're saying, 'well, other players do X, Y and Z, and nothing happens, so why should Suarez do anything'?
ReplyDeleteThis is a standard diversionary tactic known as 'Ad Populum Diversion', which is when someone dismisses something by reference to what another group/person is doing. Examples:
"Contraception cannot be sinful. Everybody does it. Even Catholics."
Or:
"Abortion isn't wrong. The UN sanctions it".*
Similarly, lots of fans say stuff like 'Why should Suarez own up; other footballers don't when they commit similar acts'.My example is hypothetical, and is exactly the same issue: handballing to score a goal.
It's fans with views like you that are one of the main reasons cheating thrives in football. You never condemn it, you just make excuses and indirectly condone it.
It's not the cheating we condone. It's his frankness and honesty about it. You will never get any other player admitting it or saying they would cheat even if they would for the very same reasons as Suarez.
ReplyDeleteThis is boring now........We knew exactly what we where getting after the WC debacle.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe it took Suarez's personal admission for the club to stop inventing excuses for his cheating and act.
ReplyDeleteAnother enabling response. What next? Deliberate handball is just part of the 'art of football'? Seriously, listen to yourself. So desperate to show your 'support' for Suarez that you basically condone his actions.
ReplyDeleteWhen other players dive against LFC and win penalties, do you sit there and say 'Who cares! We just lost the game, but it's just part of the art of football'?! Of course not; I bet you rant and rave about the injustice of it. Don't you see the hypocrisy there?!
So, the club will deal internally with Suarez's admission. Some may see it differently, but this sounds to me as if the club will tell him to keep his mouth shut about things like that in the future, and nothing else.
ReplyDeleteI am quite happy that Suarez has stopped diving and even going down easily lately. And while I agree with some of your arguments, I still wouldn't sell our arguably best player.
What's boring is your laissez fair, implicit support of cheating.
ReplyDeleteI sometimes don't think Luis is the sharpest tool in the box.
ReplyDeleteIf I understand things correctly, the club will deal with Suarez's admission, not the dive. We have witnessed in the past few weeks that Suarez has cut his diving dramatically, so the club obviously told him to cut that cr@p before.
ReplyDeleteSuarez has been much better of late in terms of curtailing the diving and the theatrics.
ReplyDeleteThe Stoke incident was in October and everyone knew he dove then. This isn't some major shock. The fact that the media is jumping on this now as a story is a bit lame.
The two bigger issues I have with the story:
1. Bringing up of ManU/Evra again (LET IT GO ALREADY!)
2. What's disconcerting is that he admitted that he would do it again. That's the bigger issue I have with this story.
The irony here is that Suarez is saying that he's putting the team above himself, but Jaimie's argument is that the fans are putting Suarez above the team.
In my opinion, I don't think the fans are putting Suarez above the team, but I do think that we want to win in a "clean/pure" way. We don't want to win as a result of a referee's blunder (not in our control) or a player cheating (in our control).
Again, as I stated at the beginning, Suarez has been much better lately with toning down the theatrics. And I can't remember the last time he dove in a game (if someone could list the most recent, that would be helpful). The handball incident was unfortunate, but I don't believe it was intentional (and there hasn't been any proof to change that thinking for me).
Right, so players should now be lionised and eulogised because they admit to cheating? What is this, the twilight zone? I guess Roy Keane should be held up as a bastion of honesty for admitting that he deliberately intended to break Haaland's leg?
ReplyDeleteYes, what a role model Suarez is. He should be doing school tours teaching kids that it's okay to cheat as long as you admit it afterwards.
Hm, I'd like to think that the British people would feel entirely different if say Beckham had cheated the England team to a higher finish at an international tournament. Make that the English people.
ReplyDeleteCome on, people! This is the way it has to be! The lad gives everything for his club, even his reputation. We should be thankful not critical, Uruguay made it through the semis so it proved he was right for clearing the ball from the goal line.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing is somewhat of a tricky one. I`m glad Br finally came out and said it weren`t on, although feel this was more to his corner being forced than anything else, but nevertheless he did it, so kudos that for.
ReplyDeleteSuarez really doesn`t help himself, which is a shame as he is a great footballer. It is a bit of a catch 22, in that everyone has been having a pop at him with the handball thing, saying he should admit to it after, he admits to this case, and still gets hated on for admitting to it. I appreciate he shouldn`t have done it in the first place. There is also the case when he admitted to it, it wasn`t him saying sorry, more just stating yea i did it so what, kinda of approach.
I don`t think he has helped the club in coming out and saying what he said, and even though that is a bit hypocritical of me, as i want the club players to be honest, which at least he is, even if he says the wrong things. I would have prefered, he just didn`t speak about it, and instead just made sure he didn`t do it again. That way the club doesn`t suffer, and he moves on, and in time people would stop focusing on his diving, which in turn has made us get less pens IMO as even fouls now are not getting given due to the "cheating" tag we have.
The only other issue this does bring up, is that Suarez does seem the honest type, by that I mean with admitting to stuff. He never really defends himself, more just comes out and says, yes i said that or did this, and often in a way which will bring him bad press. This does make me question the whole Suarez/Evra thing, as Suarez came right out and said i said this, it means this, and wasn`t racist. In light of a lot of cases, where he has come out and told the truth, like i.e i dived to try to help us win, it does make me think he was prob telling the truth of the Evra case. He maybe a cheat, a diver, and unsporting, but history shows he also openly admits to these things, dispite the negative feedback he must know he will get. Yet he never admitted to what Evra claimed.
JK i thing your completely wrong and out of order to be honest to say anybody defending Suarez isnt a Liverpool fan. Just because he has admitted to a dive he is being slammed. I was at that game and am shocked that everyone is so surprised. Its the only blatant dive i've seen him do this season and was clear it was a dive. Whats wrong with admitting it? In the interview he is saying he has only dived once and it was the Stoke game. I would handball the ball on the line at the world cup-all day long. That many players cheat during games and it just so happens our best player has done it. I'd rather him then a fernando torres who basically sulked his way through half a season under hodgson an didnt care enough to show himself for the ball. It shows Luis cares. I'd love to know what hes done wrong for us this season i really would. He's been no different to a lot of other players and i think hes a breath of fresh air. I'm bewildered as to why you dont like him. At LFC we want the best players, and if we have a stereotypical south american then so be it. Noone cried about Ronaldo-a blatant winking cheat.
ReplyDeleteactually, i do condemn cheating, but unless you can stop every footballer from so much as deliberately fouling a player, then "cheating" will exist. maybe we have differing definitions of cheating because in my opinion a player who pulls a shirt to drag someone down who is clean through on goal is cheating, but they escape punishment from managers and pundits and media dont they? someone diving to try and win a goal is no different to someone cheating to stop a goal and so you cant say one is wrong and the other isnt.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. I interpreted s.r.k.d24's comment differently. Can't find an indirect defence of Suarez in words like "I hate diving and it ruins the game". From what I understood the main point was that he (or she) was puzzled that Suarez gets singled out for it, while it happens all of the time and everywhere. I too find that puzzling, but still think it is wrong for Suarez, or any other player, to dive (or to go down simply because of feeling an oppositions breathe).
ReplyDeleteGreat post. One question: doesn't the fact that Suarez admitted to cheating against Stoke (and last year stated he would cheat to win LFC a game), make it more likely that his handball against Mansfield was deliberate?
ReplyDeleteHe cheated with his hand in the world cup; admitted he'd do it for Liverpool; admitted that he cheated against Stoke, and we're supposed to accept without question that the Mansfield handball was an accident?
Why villas boas and spurs fans still keep defending bale? You people are chasing suarez away, your not even thankful for his many goals set ups hes making him every game, without him we would be close to qpr but not many realizing that, cant you forgive him for a dive? Even God forgives people sins all the time and who are you not to forgive and forget a dive? Who? Im not a crazy suarez fan but at least try to be fair, like others managers and fans are doing to their teams, defending them at any price, this is what its called loyality, so learn to respect and thank people for their work.
ReplyDeleteA player who pretends to be injured is a cheat, too. I'd be glad if a few more players now followed suit and admitted publicly that they try to milk every single incident.
ReplyDeleteAgree with you completely.
ReplyDeleteto clarify, i'd prefer a game without cheating of any kind. but what i'm saying is it's not fair to place blame soelely on divers when theres so much more that should be pulled up on.
ReplyDeleteJaimie, I don't think srkd is condoning Suarez's behavior.
ReplyDeleteLooks to me like @google-9002883e28ac7873e1a32c63f746b041:disqus is more upset/frustrated with the fact that Suarez is singled out and treated as if he's the only who dives, whereas other players who dive are not treated with the same animosity.
Of course, Suarez is singled out here because this is a place primarily for LFC discussion, but if you take it on a grander scale, Suarez "seems" to get vilified more often than other players accused of the same actions.
The first step is admitting you have a problem. At least he owned up to it now. He has been better recently (bar the lapse in the Mansfield game) So lets hope he is cutting it out.
ReplyDeleteI support Suarez, in the way that he gets (rightfully) critisied, but the press seem to take it to the next level with him. I think last week there were 3 articles on the BBC sport homepage just about Suarez and diving/cheating/. So many players do it nowadays, its bordering on bullying to keep blaming only Suarez all the time (Im not talking about on here though).
I dont want him to ever leave.
Once again, you are missing the point. Other players do not play for LFC, do they? What Bale/Rooney et al do has no impact on LFC reputation and standing. That's the point, and that's why it is totally irrelevant to refer to other players.
ReplyDeleteYou support LFC, so you should be unhappy with anything that sullies the club's name, and Suarez admitting to cheating does that. Yes, you still make excuses and refer to other players. As I said, Ad populam diversion.
You basically create the same unsustainable proposition as most other enablers:
* I will only condemn Suarez when everyone else who does it receives the same treatment and/or cheating is eradicated from the game.
Neither of those things will ever happen, which means you never have to condemn Suarez.
Yeah because in the interview he denied it was on purpose. But yet admitted to the other two things.
ReplyDeleteThere is no harm in saying the truth. Again it will be an act of hypocrisy if LFC tells players not to speak truth. Suarez is tortured by media all the time and every player have certain limitations beyond which they are bound to speak out of frustrations. The fact that I liked about the interview was his winning mentality (upset about drawing against the Stoke at home) unlike other LFC players who give up without a fight. Although I condemn the dive but not in that match where Stoke defenders were literally playing rugby.
ReplyDeleteAnother quote from Suarez's interview was published by the Guardian. Reading it made think that he may well accept that diving is not all right and regrets his behaviour.
ReplyDelete"Football is like that. Sometimes you do things on the field that later you think, 'Why the hell did I do that?"
I have to admit that I didn't expect Suarez, or any other professional footballer, to be self-critical enough to reach such a conclusion.
thats another form of cheating i missed in my example. i mentioned the rolling around excessively, but more sepcifically when players look to be in absolute agony and then come on perfectly fine a minute later frustrates me. like i say there are so many embarrassing parts of football buti just dont think it can be stamped out. i wish it could.
ReplyDeleteIs there a deeper issue here? Many would like to say he's stupid, some, honest, but I wonder if he's trying to manufacture a way out of the club. In recent times, he's steered well clear of trouble whilst showing us exactly what he's capable of on the pitch. Why he would admit to diving AND bring up the Evra/Man U issue again, at this point in time, beggars belief. Call him stupid, but if you listen to his words, he knew the media would have a field day after this interview. Why do it?
ReplyDeleteBy the way, diving is reprehensible, but owning up is commendable.
Suarez is not singled out. He is attacked more because, unlike other players, he has a *long* history of negative incidents: cheating, diving, racial controversy, biting, swearing at rival fans etc etc.
ReplyDeleteObviously, when a player is constantly causing problems, media coverage builds, and he gains a reputation.
Suarez's media woes are totally self-inflicted. He is a cheat! A self-confessed cheat, and he wonders why the media is on his back?
What did he expect when he did his interview the other day? Did he expect the media to just ignore it?
As I said, self inflicted. Someone who is an occasional diver will not not get the same level of negative press as someone whos is *constantly* causing problems.
This is obvious. The idea that Suarez is singled out for attention is a total myth. If he didn't dive, cheat and get involved in other negative incidents, the media would have nothing to write about, no>
Everything he's been attacked for has been deserved.
I always like to refer this point, to a case of a man speeding in his car. If he gets caught at 40 in a 30 zone, and the other ten cars in front don`t, while he may feel aggrieved by this, he still commited the offense so should still be punished. In truth yes the other ten drivers should have too, but this doesn`t make the guy who got caught innocent.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing I do admire about Suarez, is the fact he often admits to things he has done. I don`t like the fact he dives, as when Ronaldo did it, it used to drive me up the wall, so I have ot be unbiased, and treat Suarez the same. The credit he does get from me, is that at least he admits to what he does. He might be a cheat, but at least he has the character to admit to it, unlike a lot of other players.
Plenty 'cried' about Ronaldo's antics, the same with Drogba's (though didn't make me cry when he rolled off the pitch and back on or the peek-a-boo one, instead gave me a giggle!). But Suarez plays for us now.....
ReplyDeleteI must say I'm impressed with
ReplyDeleteSuarez here. He's being a bit of an idiot, but I'm impressed none the less.
I've criticized him before for his general play and his lions tail of scandals,
but his honesty is quite refreshing. Plus his will to win (though morally
tainted) is inflexible - "success for Liverpool is
more important to me than anything else".
He is joined by the vast majority of footballers in advocating a disgusting
part of the game. He is morally corrupt scumbag on the football pitch. But for
the first time I can say - He is our scumbag.. And a few of our players could
learn something from his will to win (though hopefully channeled in a less
controversial manner).
Jaime..Tbh..i don't condone cheating to win.And neither am i jumping into the bandwagon of suarez supporters.I feel that selling our current top scorer to a highest bidder wld not help liverpool at all.Financially..Liverpool is struggling in the transfer market.And to make matters worst is when the mediocrity that have been brought in to bolster the team is too appalling.What can be done is i believe BR needs to be tough with the players like shankly.And i guess with a proper councelling..Suarez can be tamed.What he needs is someone of a father figure and i think BR is not up to task.Well..we need our best players to stay and not sell them.Just my two cents worth of thoughts.
ReplyDeleteultimately it's the ref/linemans job to pull people up on any form of "cheating" ie. deliberate handball, fouling, diving, time wasting etc. you may not like my methods by comparing other incidents, but how many times has anyone ever mentioned nevilles handball off the line to stop lucas' shot a few year ago? and his dive this season for that matetr. it happens all the time!! again, not condoning it, i just wish suarez didnt get the brunt of al lthe flack for something he isnt solely responsible for.
ReplyDeleteIn theory, you are correct about the Mansfield play. Prior history certainly leans in the favor of deliberate.
ReplyDeleteBut when I watched the play live, I didn't think it was deliberate. And when I watched it over and over again in the days that followed, I never changed my mind. To a small degree, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. But overall, based on the way it occurred, as well as his immediate reactions, I never thought he did it intentionally.
The only thing that I can see people making a case for is that he could have tried to tell the referee what had happened, but that may have only helped people's conscience. I'm not sure it would have affected the goal standing or not.
steven gerrand said if he scored with his hand at old trafford he wouldnt tell the ref and celebrate the goal if it meant liverpool win.im not saying its right to admit it but everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, the only differnce is when suarez says something the media cant wait too crusify him. i didnt see this sort of reaction from gerrards comment even if he didnt actually do it he admited he would. look at it from someones point of view who lives outside england, suarez gets 8 match ban, terry gets 4 match ban and it was clear on tv and worth than what suarez said. just let the man play football.
ReplyDeleteHow on earth is Suarez being singled out?! A player makes a public admission of cheating; the media reports it, and this is being singled out?! That is just not true. It is normal for the media to report something like that. If Suarez hadn't said it, there would be nothing to report, would there?
ReplyDeleteThere are very few players in the Premier League - if any - who have created as many problems for their club as Suarez has over the last 18 months. That is why he gets negative media coverage. Plus, his totally defensive 'I don't care' stance - which has been mirrored by LFC on occasion, is also a massive problem.
I tend to agree. Not just the British or English, but most countries tend to not mind if it goes in there favour.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is a great guy a great human being and someone who can be trusted as he tells the truth.Evra,Rooney,Sir Exlax,Phelan,Ashley Young,Rio,Anton,Bale are all liars.Suarez is a truthful guy and only in this country can this be a crime.
ReplyDeleteYes, you're right, but what does that have to do with Suarez? Nothing. The fact that other players don't admit cheating in public doesn't ascribe any honourability to Suarez's admission; it just confirms what we've known all along: the guy is a shameless, unapologetic cheat, and he doesn't give a damn if his behaviour reflects badly on LFC.
ReplyDeleteSince Suarez arrived, the club's reputation has gone straight to hell. LFC is now know as a club that defends racism and cheating. How is that a good thing?
nicely put, and to be honest i know how i feel about the club more than JK does and it doesnt mean i cant support suarez as well. i supported them before suarez so how can it be luis suarez fc i support? who was i supporting before he came here?
ReplyDeleteI meant Ronaldos, Bales, Drogbas own fans. Not us course we moan. Isnt that what fans do? I'd take a hand of god to beat united all day long. So what? I'm a winner and want a team of winners. The crazy gang used to cheat and injure players and shit in their changing rooms etc. noone complained then.
ReplyDeleteAnybody who seen Suarez play in Holland knew what we were getting, a brilliant player with baggage. I said at the time to my Dad that the guy is vastly superior to anyone in our squad in terms of ability and technique but I had a bit of an issue with the transfer due to the number of yellows he picked up for diving. I think it was 7 the season before he arrived at Liverpool. He then continued the diving and dramatics at Liverpool which I was none to happy about. You could call it a love-hate relationship because the guy is such a good player. He amazes me at times with his skills and tenacity. Over the last few months, the love-hate feeling has mostly turned to love as he has actually started to cut out the diving which is great to see and I respect him for trying to change. I realise some people will condone for him making the comments but I always applaud honesty and he is being honest here. Jamie made the point about Roy Keane. None of us like the fact that he ruined a players career but I prefer the fact that he was honest about it and explained the reason behind it. Do you think it would be better to come out and lie about it when everyone saw what happened? In this case, Suarez cannot win because when he was diving, he was being called a cheat and he now gets criticised for being honest. Seems strange to me. Rodgers knew he dived against Stoke, just like the rest of the world, so why not criticise him after the game and say that he will be having a word about it. Why wait until the player comes clean about it?
ReplyDeleteWOW! I read that yesterday actually! He is a disgrace. It's not like he said he did it and he won't do it again but he was actually gloating!
ReplyDeleteWonderful football player as everyone would agree but a cheat nonetheless.
I'm glad BR find it unacceptable (finally) but doubt he will do much but say "don't say these things in public". But I am being judgmental. But I hope it will be dealt internally.
Look at Lance Armstrong. It's the same kind of attitude towards cheating "If one can get away with it then why not do it!"
I think he should be dealt with internally. Like a fine and even an internal ban. But that won't happen.
If he apologizes sincerely (doubtful) then we should keep him. If he keeps up with this attitude then we should sell him. But that won't happen.
Can't wait to hear the "fans" who are going to make excuses...
As I understand it from what I read about the article his confession was an attempt to say that a) he dived vs Stoke, but b) did not deliberately handle vs Mansfield. He also used the article to complain about the difference in treatment between home-grown and south American players, which given the antics that go on (i.e. Southampton last weekend) I do have some sympathy with.
ReplyDeleteAgree it's not the type of behaviour I want to see but would rather hope with more time and a firm approach he he can mend his ways - in much the same way as Ronaldo did under Fergie.
I agree. BR should have had this stance from day one. Suarez definitely does not do himself any favours with comments like that.
ReplyDeleteBR is lightweight.
ReplyDeleteNow he decides to condemn it.
SMH
I hope so.
ReplyDeleteFair enough, their own fans barely cried about them but doesn't make it anymore right the way some of our fans defend Suarez, imo. I guess its each to their own.
ReplyDeleteYou're bewildered? Unreal. It's not that difficult to grasp:
ReplyDelete* I hate cheating in football.* Suarez is a self-confessed cheat.
I'm not going to be like you and so many others and just say accept cheating because a good player does it. You, like so many others, are part of the problem: you will accept *anything* negative a good player does, even if it reflects badly on the club.
Handball, diving, cheating, quasi-racist comments? Who the hell cares! Suarez is a great players, so he's allowed to do.
I despair of that attitude, and in my view, anyone who praises cheating is not an LFC fan. That's my opinion, and if people don't like it, tough luck.
He's winning mentality is what drives him to cheat in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteSeveral players have a winning mentality but that should not excuse cheating to win.
Haha Suarez just can't win with you can he? So he admits that he dives but now admitting it isn't enough either. He has to be sorry about it and beg for forgiveness on his knees. Get over it people. So far by admitting it he's done far more than any other Premiership player. And if you seriously think there is one PL player out there who doesn't cheat to get ahead, you're seriously deluded.
ReplyDeleteI hope so to but he is far too "important" to ban him. Unless the FA get involved for misconduct or some sort.
ReplyDeletegreat thats right chase the best player we have in a long while out of the club why not boo suarez out sell him sell him
ReplyDeleteTrue. Most fans give a blind eye if their team has an advantage. I seem to remember Owen diving in the 2002 WC (if i am not mistaken) but no one said a thing.
ReplyDeleteLance Armstrong had a winning mentality too, and he took illegal drugs as a result. He cheated, and got a life ban. Perhaps everyone should start lionising him too. After all, he has a winning mentality, and that's all that matters, apparently.
ReplyDeleteI have read your posts for a while now, never respond or comment to the idiotic messages I read on here, but how do you even "blog" about LFC when all you do is talk all kinds of crap on them? Last time I'll be visiting this page. All Suarez has done is kept us alive in the league and every article you post on here is negative towards him. Change your team to the Scottish league or something like that, because obviously the English game is out of your league sir.
ReplyDeleteI will agree with you that Suarez's problems are self inflicted.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying the media should ignore this interview (nor would I expect them to). It is news, but it's not "earth shattering" news.
And true, the occasional diver would not receive the same attention.
But what I will say is that everything Suarez does now has been magnified as a result of his past actions. To be clear, that's not to condone his actions in any way, shape or form.
I'll use Santi Cazorla as an example. The dive he had early this year was awful and very much deliberate and cheating, especially by the way he rolled around on the pitch "writhing in pain" and resulted in an Arsenal PK. How much coverage did that receive?
Now take the Suarez Mansfield incident. An incident in which no one could definitely say was intentional or unintentional (either way). How much coverage did that receive?
That's what I mean when Suarez is "singled out". Perhaps, singled out is the wrong phrase. It probably should be "magnified".
I've heard it all now :-) A cheat who admits it has character? Would you be saying the same if Wayne Rooney came out and said 'I always try and cheat against Liverpool". I doubt it.
ReplyDeletePerhaps we should extend that to criminals too. The Manson family confessed to a series of murders; they must have great character, eh?
There was a game at the weekend, where a player did nine rolls on the floor. The comentator on 5 live reckons it is a record. The player then jumped right up to take the free kick, and was perfectly fine. It is a shame play acting isn`t dealt with a lot harder. I appreciate it is hard to tell how hurt someone is, but sometimes it is clear, no one rolls nine times on the floor, then jumps up fine, unless they were faking it. Same for diving and many other things which go on, like bad tackles etc.
ReplyDeleteI would love to have a panel in put in place, which reviews games, and hands out say yellow cards to players who dive, play act, and shirt pull etc after each game. It would really clean up our league, as soon enough no one would try cheating. I really can`t see what there is too lose by doing this.
I would say give red cards, but I think the amount who would be sent off on the first week, might make it hard to get all the teams behind the idea. At least with yellow cards, it is still a punishment, and they do add up. Plus also show the public who is cheating.
The only worry I have, is that it might give Refs a feeling that they don`t need to enforce so much stuff during the game as it will be delt with after anyway, so rather than get a call wrong, just let the dives etc slip, knowing after the game someone else will spot it and card them.
But Suarez is actually admitting that he cheated- meaning possibly he is not sorry or ashamed and will do so again. His comments regarding his handball vs Ghana are even worse.
ReplyDeleteDiving etc... happens all the time yes... we can't give excuses for it.
Don't you see the irony of Suarez's comments? In one breath he admits to diving, and then complains about his treatment at the hands of the media!
ReplyDeleteYOU JUST ADMITTED TO BEING A CHEAT! What do you expect?
Exactly. This kind of revisionism is standard practice amongst fans though. Only LFC players are attacked by the media. Other players get an easy ride. It's all a conspiracy and blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteWhat a mess, the PR handling of almost anything Suarez-related by the club and the man himself since Suarez has arrived (Suarez-related matters aren't the only things that the club have messed up in terms of PR in recent years, i.e., I'm not saying/implying its all on Suarez, the PR mess).
ReplyDeleteYou have read what I wrote wrong Jamie, or I explained it wrong. My main point was, I don`t condone his cheating, but I prefer the fact he is at least open about it. That is a step up from a cheat who isnt open about it. It is still wrong, and doesn`t mean he doesn`t cheat, or I like his cheating, just that at least he admits to it. Which has to be better than a player who cheats, and then lies too. Character was maybe the wrong choice of words.
ReplyDeleteYes, Suarez is a modern day saint. Why don't you start a petition for him to be canonised?
ReplyDeletelike i keep saying, i don't condone suarez' diving. what i'm saying is that diving is seen as more disgraceful than other forms of cheating within the game, which isn't right. they're all wrong and i don't want any of it, but why there has to be such uproar over suarez is obviously too advanced for me to understand. maybe it sells papers and people like JK can get great debates going on their sites but ultimately it really is unecessary to keep raking over his past in order to justify the current beatdown he is being given. just to make it perfectly clear, i hate divers! EVEN SUAREZ WHEN HE DIVES (which he doesnt actually do much now)!!! but the issue here is that he's getting slated for telling the truth. oh well, each person has their own opinion. i am a liverpool fan firstly, then a fan of the players i admire, so i don't see how i'm only saying this because i love suarez because thats simply not true, he annyos me sometimes like msot footballers do. but i appreciate his love for the club and his desire and ability.
ReplyDeleteAnteater, surprised you've not yet been vilified for putting the diving admission in it's proper context. Diving is wrong. Admitting to it is the correct thing to do, If Suarez is questioning why he does some of the things he does, this may just illustrate that he is trying to reform. Hence, why he's stayed out of trouble in recent times.
ReplyDeleteExactly! Having a "winning mentality" should not excuse the "win at all costs" so many people have.
ReplyDeleteArmstrong is a disgrace.
im sorry to say this but because of people like jamie and the media of england suarez wont be hanging around, i cant believe the big deal being made over this its stupid it happend get over it!
ReplyDeleteI prefer the fact he admits to it
ReplyDeleteIm not saying i condone it, i think we should have more refs on the pitch and video challenges but its just the way of the game at the moment. When suarez handballed in the world cup, he knew he would get sent off. I dont put him down for it thou, he just wants to win at all costs.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you on about? The fact that he admits it just proves that he is a cheat, which has been obvious all along. Just admitting it doesn't mean everything didn't happen. I don't want self-confessed cheats at LFC, and his admission doesn't change that.
ReplyDeleteI cannot, for the life of me, understand how you can say that the handball against Ghana was something reprehensible. He reacted within seconds and was sent OFF for it!! What was he supposed to do, let the ball go in?? Enough with making him a villain our this!
ReplyDeletefor me the answer is no. Given history shows Suarez admits to when he cheats, therefore if he doesn`t admit to something chances are he didn`t do it, or wasn`t intentional. I can`t see why he would be happy to admit to calling Evra a "negrito" admit to the Ghana thing, and admit to diving in the stoke game, but for some reason feel admiting to the handball at Mansfield might get him in trouble, or give him a bad name.
ReplyDeleteHe maybe many things, but clearly not someone who hides from admitting to stuff he has done.
(the only doubting bit, is time frames, toke a while for the stoke one, so maybe he will admit in say 4months about the handball)
You're right about Cazorla's dive not being highlighted as much, but that is normal. It's human nature to focus more on someone who is consistently controversial.
ReplyDeleteHas Cazorla ever bitten another player? Has he eve given rival fans the middle finger? Ever refused to shake another players's hand? Ever cheated in a world cup quarter final? No.
If he had a reputation for being a cheat, then it would be highlighted more.
I think, mainly, is because Suarez has had high incidents of cheating/misconduct, so his reputation follows him.
ReplyDeleteHandball vs Ghana
Biting a player's ear ( I mean what the hell man?!)
Evra case
Constant diving
Openly supporting diving in interviews (like this one)
Un-shameful attitude towards it.
I don't hear other players do this.
It's like Joey Barton...unless he does or says something on/off the pitch that is wrong the media normally don't bother with him.
Same with Suarez. He's brought all this upon himself.
no one talks about suarez geting "cheated" of winner against everton or how many penalties he should have had or him getting stamped on by huth its a joke
ReplyDeleteMy apologies if I misinterpreted your point.
ReplyDeleteOne question though: how does Suarez admitting he's a cheat help LFC?
It's a selfish act. All it has done is create another mountain of negative publicity, and sullied the club's name even further.
cycling was a disgree during that period it would seem. Armstrong cheated to win, so maybe others who should have rightly won, never did, and never got the fame and money he did due to his cheating, and then I see almost all of the cyclists where cheating, so the only guy who prob lost out, was the postman down my road, who is prob the fastest cyclist who wasn`t on drugs at that time, that it would seem is how badly cycling was run at that point. It would be interesting to see during that period how far down the world rankings you would have to go to find the first non doping cyclist who hasn`t been found out since.
ReplyDeleteIMO Suarez is only "targeted" because he forces the media to do so with all his nonsense.
ReplyDeleteI.E. James McArthy. Why don't the media run stories on him? Because he does not do anything that will warrant one. Like cheating, condoning it etc...
Suarez is the problem here.
I agree, great post, sums it up perfectly.
ReplyDeleteSuarez should keep quiet and keep improving his on field behaviour. (eg not going down when fouled blatantly v Sunderland, resulting in a goal- by the way, never saw any mention of that from you, just his bad behaviour :-) )
I don't agree that he should be sold, however. I understand that some might think that, including yourself , but don't agree.
After all, it ( admitting cheating) isn't enough of a reason to sell a player, otherwise Neville should have also faced claims to be sold. And before you trot out that latin term again, it's not diverting attention or justifying it by quoting another case or general behaviour, it's pointing out that no such furore followed a similar, in fact exactly similar, set of circumstances. Neville dived , and admitted it, so did Suarez . Neville saved on the line to prevent a goal, so did Suarez.
Big difference in the coverage though. And that is a statement of fact, not a biased opinion.
The worrying things imo about this are that 1: Suarez appears to be willing to do it again re the handball, which I wouldn't accept, and 2: he should not encourage the coverage by trying to defend these acts.
The difference with the Mansfield incident is that replays and scrutiny reinforces his claims that it was not delberate. I remember you praising Neville for coming out and admitting he dove on purpose, so one could call into question your consistency if you act differently re Suarez , even if you believe that he acts differently in general. You otherwise tend to be very consistent in your views, but not in this case, or so it appears.
As you know, I am on balance, a supporter of Suarez. I don't think he helps himself though, and my view is not set in stone. For it to continue, Saurez needs to himself continue to modify his behaviour to fit in with the environment that he plays within. If you read his actual quotes from the interview, you'll see that he asks himself after a match 'why did I do that' sometimes. He needs to ask himself more frequently, and continue to learn.
At the moment, I think he can. But not forever, if he doesn't continue to improve. And, for me, that's the issue at hand.
Not the admission
jk slamming suarez will not benefit us it will only make happy our rivals united
ReplyDeleteI think the fact it sells papers is the main reason, followed by his previous.
ReplyDeleteHow is that putting it in the proper context. It doesn't matter what you surround the admission with, it's still an admission of cheating.
ReplyDeleteIf, say, Lance Armstrong comes out and says, 'Well, I cheated for years, and I sometimes ask myself why I did that', does that make his cheating more tolerable somehow?
The main points to be considered here:
ReplyDelete1) Luis would have been better not to say anything
2)Brendan Rogers COULD have chosen NOT to respond to the question and instead deal wit this matter PRIVATELY
TODAY my fellow LFC Supporters I THINK we will look back on this day as the DAY THAT LUIS SUAREZ DECIDED TO LEAVE.
Brendan Roger is an INEXPERIENCED manager and he SHOWED IT TODAY.
Obviously he was thinking about what happened to Kenny Dalglish.
So to avoid that mistake he thought it would be better to come out now try and assert his authority.
While appeasing the VICIOUS press attacks in the English Premier League Press.
It's clear when people like Guidiola would take the German League over the English it's clear there is a SHIFT.
We don't have the TOP 5 best players in the world FACT.
Messi,Ronaldo,Xavi,Inesta,Alonso DO NOT PLAY HERE.
I suspect that Luis Suarez as a result of the Roger's response,consistant press accusations,the fact that he will be eyed by Barca,Bayern Munich,PSG etc will leave in the summer.
Luis should not have said anything,however Brendan Rogers should not have tried to assert himself at this early stage of his Managership.
Brendan hasn't achieved ANYTHING at Liverpool FC to try this yet and his inexperience is clear for all to see.
liverpool must send him a warning but not to ban him
ReplyDeleteI see what you mean mate.
ReplyDeleteBut Suarez is very consistent with this kind of behavior. Cazorla ins't.
The press are loving it because Suarez keeps giving them ammunition for them to use against him.
He should just keep his mouth shut tbh.
But I see your point though.
If I had my way, all cheats in football would be driven out of the game.
ReplyDeleteI agree - Suarez will be gone in the summer, and good riddance. LFC will survive, as it always has. The glory days will return; cheats are not required to make that happen, and the club and its fans should not sell their collective souls to the devil just to win a couple of trophies.
ReplyDeleteI think maybe football has changed, I can remember so many cases of defenders handling balls off the line, players diving to win pens, players play acting to get players sent off. Defenders fouling players to stop goals, and tbh no one used to seem to care. I never really saw it make the papers, so people get hounded out for it. So maybe football has changed, and we have changed, and this is why know cheating in football for certain players will get more press than a murdered child would. It is a big reflection on us as people, that there will be more articles online about a footballer than there prob is about some children starving to death somewhere.
ReplyDeleteI`ve said many times, I don`t like cheating in football, but I do like to keep it in perspective.
jaimie imo you are a worse blite on lfc than suarez will ever be your so self serving its unbelievable you have hounded suarez since the day he signed and you are now showing your true colours,i,ve been waiting for your post on this article,i bet you thought all your birthdays had come at once,he admitted he dived something we all new it was a while ago ,lately he has stayed on his feet a lot more. did you ever do a post about it ,no you did not because your hate for this man is making you BITTER,imo you will not have to wait long for suarez to go and who the f"ck can blame him with so called fans like you who have the nerve to run a lfc site the mind boggles,gone down in my estimation big time,also on your facebook site bragging about how many people you have banned,calling them idiots,shows what you really think of your posters ,and by the way without your posters you have nothing,no doubt i will get another ban for this but i do not think i have been insulting to you just imo told you as i see it
ReplyDeleteRight you are(I'm Irish so I have no problem agreeing on that). But still, he should know that people don't like seeing him dive so admitting to it was hardly wise.
ReplyDeleteIt's reprehensible because in over 100 years of football, thousands of top-flight players have been in the same position at World Cups, European cups etc and never did the same.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn`t help us at all. In a post lower down, I go over that point. I don`t understand why he says what he says, it never helps the club, or himself. Maybe he is the type of player that needs everyone to hate him, to give him that drive, to prove to everyone how good he is? His honesty in a verbal sense, is a very rare thing for a footballer, and I can`t see the reasons for doing it. It is a strange mix, as on the pitch he is very unhonest, yet off it, prob one of the most honest footballers I`ve ever seen. He doesn`t even say sorry, just comes out and says I did this. Very Jykel and Hide.
ReplyDeleteI think it is the only way to improve his behaviour and stop him doing stupid things in the future. I do believe that he is trying to improve his conduct and I would put this one down to stupidity rather than trying to stir up controversy.
ReplyDeleteAh Zan man, you disappointing me.
ReplyDeleteJason, I could've posted an article last night condeming Suarez, but I waited for someone from LFC to do it first, so your points make no sense.
ReplyDeleteI've said it once and I'll say it again: If you don't like this site, then leave. Go to RAWK or TIA, and you can bitch about me and this site to your heart's content, and you'll have lots of like-minded people to moan with. Better still, go seek out my stalker and have a good moan with him; he'd be only too happy to join you in a good old slagfest.
I banned people from the facebook page who praised and glorified cheating, and I make no apology for that. I do not want cheat-apologists on this site, and anyone who does praise Suarez (or anyone else) for cheating, will be banned here too.
If you post anything else like the above again, I'll have no option but to ban you. The choice is yours.
Let's hope you're right, but the thing is, referees are going to be even more vigilant over Suarez now, and that is going to cost the club decisions.
ReplyDeleteI see your point Zan. But a cheat who admits and a cheat who does not admit is still a cheat nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteHe definitely sells papers. ;0P
ReplyDeleteLance Armstrong had fncking cancer ffs. If anybody seriously thought he had no drugs in his bloodstream then they are seriously deluded.
ReplyDeleteHow do you all think he fought the disease and lived?? Faith or religion.
The fact that Lance Armstrong could ride a bike at all deserved praise.
I thought you weren't going to have a Comments section today, JK, in case "enablers" like me came on?
ReplyDeleteI can accept that a player might instinctively handball in a match. That's fair. And it has happened many times.
ReplyDeleteBUT... Although he got punished (red card), later on Suarez was condoning and praising his own action, saying he would do it again if it meant Uruguay would go through. That, Sir, is unacceptable.
How can he say " The hand of god belongs to me now"?!
Suarez is a cheat.
liverpool fc will survive but loosing a player of suarez abilety will hurt hes a world class striker not bobby zamora think what you want
ReplyDeleteWinning mentality + winning by all costs attitude = Possible Cheating Action.
ReplyDeleteThat is true. Not to sure what to say to that to be honest.
ReplyDeleteNot saying/asking he should be banned/fined but I wonder if the FA have grounds to ban/fine him, on the basis of his comments. They have banned/fined many a player for Twitter-related comments. I recall them banning/fining Roy Keane, after comments he made in his book about a vicious tackle he did.
ReplyDeleteDon't think it will ever be to be honest. FIFA are too lightweight and corrupt to do something about it.
ReplyDeleteIf only we all applied the golden rule...
The difference here Jaimie is we need to find a replacement NOW!
ReplyDeletePersonally I'd keep him as long Suarez improves his attitude.
However if we sell him we are going to need a start looking now.
In the exact same situation??? Really Jaimie?? I would start by correcting you with the "100 years of football" since the first world cup was in 1930 but anyways, how many times did Uruguay and Ghana played in the semis before? How many times in world cups did the same situation occur in the last minute of an overtime match in the semis?? Can you prove that players in the past didn't do the same thing because they couldn't or because they didn't want too?
ReplyDeleteExactly the same situation you say? Do you realize that the same incident is seen very differently in different part of the world? Do you read foreign press, maybe some that is not in English? I do by the way.Just because we don't have the same view on this incident doesn't mean you are the one right about it. Around the world it seems that ones calling that action "cheating" are in the minority. Please I beg you to at least understand that basic premise.
I can honestly say that Suarez being at Liverpool has decreased our reputation.
ReplyDeletePaisley would have kicked him out long time ago.
I completely agree. When I first heard this story breaking on the radio, I thought to myself, why, why, why. In general he has got a lot better, and the handball apart, things seems to be calming down, then he comes out with this stuff. I can
ReplyDeleteOk so basically what you're saying is that no one can be re-habilitated? Suarez cheating is wrong, but surely it's better that he does come clean about it so an attempt can be made for him he to be rehabilitated?
ReplyDeleteFar as I can see this is one moment in recent history where everyone at the club has acted well. Suarez for admitting to his mistakes, and the club for coming out in public and condemning it, and saying it's unacceptable and that he'll be disciplined. What more do you want, the lad's blood?? If you give up on everyone that makes multiple mistakes in life you'd give up on every single person alive over the age of 3.
So for everyone acting all holier than tho, why not have a look in the mirror next time next time you start having a pop at someone else for having the guts to admit to their own mistakes. That at the very least shows the attitude that they're taking the first steps towards trying to change. So in response to your comment about him being 'sold to the highest bidder', what you're basically saying is that you have zero tolerance for mistakes, and if the club was run like that, there would be no club left.
why buddy?
ReplyDeleteIt is true, he does help sell papers, get online hits. Some players will always get more media than others as there name sells more. That don`t mean I don`t think he is a cheat, or his actions are correct, but I have seen so many times how the media plays out certain stories like a soap, to bring in more cash for themselves.
Then there'd only be enough players for a 7-team league.
ReplyDeleteAnd it would be crap.
jaimie why dont you do your banner like you was on about in a previous post uou coud have on it suarez out we don,t want cheats,but if you do tell us which match you going to unveil it in, i want a ticket for that one (it would show your commitment to this course miles more than posting about it ever will) i will even come round and help you to the ambulance after the match
ReplyDeleteMaybe England should return the 1966 World Cup then. They cheated themselves to a Championship in every match they played.
ReplyDeleteI'm not condoning Suarez or for that matter Lance Armstrong, but then why aren't we mentioning the likes of Rio Ferdinand, Roy Kean, and althought not cheating but disgraceful behaviour Cantona! Granted my list is a little biased but the list of professional cheats would be endless!
ReplyDeleteI'm only guessing of course, but I can imagine that someone at the club will tell him to not tell the truth in such a case simply because of the negative headlines it produces. Just have a look at today's reports. The media feasts on the part of Suarez's interview where he admits to a (ONE) dive, but I haven't found a single article that focusses on the influence of ManU on English football. They pick one piece, but leave out the rest. That truly is poor journalism.
ReplyDeleteHence there obviously is harm (plenty of negative headlines) in saying the truth, at least in this case.
Agree with you about the attitude. And also about Stoke competing in the wrong sport.
But why would he do an article on Suarez "praising him" that he has stayed on his feet recently? Players ARE supposed to stay on their feet!
ReplyDeleteWhy not do an article on Lucas staying on his feet? How about Hendersson? Why does not he do it? Because players are meant to stay on their feet.
Suarez brings all of this upon himself.
When Suarez was about to sign, Jamie done an article on his disciplinary history, warning that this player is a bad bee...well..
He is.
Since Suarez cut his diving, we, and I hope he too, can see that he achieves more, when staying on his feet. Taking a dive is the easier option, but he can do better and it wouldn't do his winning mentality any harm.
ReplyDeleteI think it's war that won't be won because players and clubs have more power than the actual Football Authorities.
ReplyDeleteShame that.
It will be dealt with internally. Translates to "I might have a little word with him in private but nothing serious, I just need you all to think that I've got the bottle to deal with the big issues at our club without alienating our best players". Now before I get chastised he may cheat and bend the rule but there's no denying he's a top player when he is playing fairly!
ReplyDeleteWhat about Steven Gerrard? I seem to recall a penalty dive in Istanbul.
ReplyDeleteDidn't find any commentator claiming that winning mentality is all that matters to be honest. Maybe it's further down the thread.
ReplyDeleteThat's the problem in a nutshell, SS.
ReplyDeleteTwice Luis has been truthful, but a lot of people in this country don't like the truth. They seem to think that you should be tactful, or tell a little white lie so as not to offend.
If someone is fat, just tell them. If someone says "Does my arse look fat in this?", why lie???
Luis Suarez will never win with the media and will be hounded out. And then he'll be able to play in Spain and concentrate on entertaining people with his magical skills, and never-say-die attitude.
And LFC will be worse off. Not better off.
I saw the interview, he said that tongue in cheek, he couldn't believe that his team went through. So I would tone down the praising part. And it is actually not surprising he talks about the hand of god when you take into account what Maradona's action represents in the Rio de la Plata.
ReplyDeleteNow if you don't like the fact that we would do it again if he was in the same position then I am fine we that but a lot of people will praise him for that too. I am just tired of people putting this incident in same bag as the others.
Whether admitting cheating or not it's still cheating Pastor.
ReplyDeletein a earlier post today you praised souness for having the winning mentality now dont get me wrong he was a fine player but he wanted to win at all costs and if that meant kicking ten bags of sh1t out of the opposition then so be it he would have no qualms about it,and to compare suarez with armstrong is a bit like comparing charlie sheen and jimmy saville
ReplyDeleteLOL! I know right!
ReplyDeleteDo you think it has changed in cycling? I'd doubt it. The "athletes" surely continue in their quest to find ways to use doping that can't be detected.
ReplyDeleteIt's excellent he has stopped doing those things ( A player is meant to) but like you I doubt the club with say much.
ReplyDeletePersonally, unless he changes his attitude and condoning of cheating, then she should be sold. But that's just me.
I think rolling around in agony to then jump up as if nothing had happened is a yellow card offence. It brings the game into disrepute.
ReplyDeleteMost player have only a school education I think. After all the money it's thrown at them.
ReplyDeletebecause suarez was doing everything to stop the diving fair enough dont praise him but dont just systamatically pick on him,when he has had a good game and done something superb jaimie imo tends to write about garetth bale falling over or something else
ReplyDeleteYou need to learn more about the history of the World Cup. Especially 1966.
ReplyDeleteSouness in the same sentence as Suarez? You;'re having a laugh. Souness was not a cheat; he didn't bring the game into disrepute; he didn't dive, handball and attempt to deceive the ref. Find me one example of anyone - ex player/manager/autobiography/famous incident/whatever, that labels Souness a Keane-like thug who tried to deliberately injure players.
ReplyDeleteHe was a hard tackler, not someone who deliberately tried to injure people or fool the ref.
Love him as a player, would be gutted to lose him but i realise thats for selfish reasons, you cant defend what he said, i cringed when i read it, what example is that to our academy players who probably worship him, shame is , that until the last couple of weeks he was getting his act together & was starting to get some good press
ReplyDeleteSigh... Mate, you're just giving excuses for his behaviour. I want Liverpool to win matches, most LFC fans do. But not in a dishonest way, by cheating etc...
ReplyDeleteSuarez is a cheat and a proud on at that.
And what does this have to do with Suarez admitting he's a cheat?
ReplyDeleteRe Gerrard: there is a suspicion that he dived, but it is not a fact. Suarez's cheating is factual.
The funny thing is that not two weeks ago everyone was raving that he should admit to cheating and now that he has there's uproar about it. Not condoning anything here but you've got to seethe Irony in it all.
ReplyDeleteYea that is the problem with openly admitting to cheating. It's like a drug dealer openly admitting to dealing drugs the authorities are obviously going to watch him closely thereafter. Would you like to see the club sell Suarez if the chance arose?
ReplyDeleteI was only replying to the post of another commentator on here. Though he made a good point. Am I not allowed to reply to a post which is not 100% about the article, but still raises interesting points?
ReplyDeleteI did in no way intend to "ascribe any honourability" by replying.
He is not unapologetic if the quote in the Guardian is true, where he questions his own actions.
Erm, I would have to ask a few neutrals whether you claim that "LFC is now know(n) as a club that defends racism and cheating" is true. None of my German club supporting friends has mentioned anything like it, but they are probably not neutral as they are my friends.
As for people only seeing the headlines. Well, they can continue reading the Daily Mail or the unnameable if they want. I know how I think about people who regularly read stuff like that and people who just see the headlines. My opinion about people like that contains a few words that would require moderation for my comment.
I have a different plan to highlight cheating that I'm currently working on.
ReplyDeleteSuarez should be told not to give anymore interviews the less said the better he has to improve his PR and diving skills.On a serious note its a shame really because he has not done his reputation any good because he seems to be doing less of that (diving) these days and then he goes and spoil it all by giving this interviews.But Luis Suarez definitely sells a lot of news.
ReplyDeleteGreat analogy. And yes, I would like to see the club sell Suarez, and I think he'll be gone in the summer.
ReplyDeleteOver the last two years, the club - and the fans - have sold their souls over Suarez, ignoring and condoning everything he does because of this desperate desire to win. That needs to change, and it will only start to change once Suarez is gone, along with Ian Ayre, who has presided over the worst period LFC PR in modern history.
But Will I think it's all self inflicted. He brings these things upon himself and the media love it.
ReplyDeleteRemember Rooney and the H**ker story? The media made a big deal out of it because he gave them a reason to. It's like feeding junk food 247 to a ultra obese person who wants to lose weight, the more you feed/him the more he's/she's going to eat! (LOL I'm quite pleased with that analogy)
If he admitted to cheating and then he stopped then fair enough. But he actually condones it mate. Brazenly.
And that makes LFC look bad.
If he carries on I would sell him. But that's just me anyway.
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How is he singled out. Let me put it this way. He gives an interview in which he admits one particular dive, says that he asks himself why he did it and questions the role ManU play in the UK (or Britain). The media mainly report about him admitting one particular dive, ignore the fact that he himself questioned his behaviour and also ignore the questions he has raised.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, if the media were serious about blaming divers in general, there would be more of a balance. There would be more reports about other serial divers, who are not any better than Suarez, and less reports about Suarez. The proportion of Suarez's dives and the coverage they get is unbalanced compared to say the dives and coverage thereof of Gareth Bale.
So what are you saying? People should applaud those who tell the truth about negative incidents, and if they don't, they're somehow wrong, and responsible for hurting the feelings of the person who did the negative act? Unreal.
ReplyDeleteAs a comparison: If I deliberately murdered someone, and then confessed to the Police, does that make my crime less heinous? Should I be treated differently? Should I get an easier ride from the media even though I'm a self-confessed murderer?
True. I didn't hear any French complaining about Henry's hand-ball goal against Ireland or the goal that never was given the Germans conceded against England. There wasn't even an public outcry after the keeper publicly admitted that he knew it was in. No-one in Germany took offence (publicly).
ReplyDeleteEngland bought that WC (at least that is the predominant view around the globe), what is your point Cris?
ReplyDeleteYes fine him, but not sell him that's crazy! He one of the best players in the one he will change. He got the kick up the back side from Brendan that will show him he doesn't have to cheat.
ReplyDeleteHe should have said it differently (and maybe he did, as the interview obviously was held in Spanish). What would the headlines read it he had said "I dive against Stoke and I know it was wrong. Since then I've tried my utmost to stop diving."? That's a silly question to be honest. I have no doubt that the headlines wouldn't be any different today.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you focus on things that matter instead of pointless irrelvancies? My comment about 100 years of football is a figure of speech; it's not meant to be a precise historical period.
ReplyDeleteThe fact the there is not one singled incident in a major world cup/European competition of a player deliberately handballing on the line is proof enough that it hasn't happened. When stuff like that happens, it is controversial, reported, debated, discussed and remembered forever.
Find me one other incident of a a player:
* Deliberately handballing on the line
* In a world cup/Euro championship/European Cup
Players are in and around the box constantly in games, yet it has never happened before. Prove me wrong.
I can't disable the comment thread. Disqus glitch, so there's no choice.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he put it across differently in the original interview and something was lost/bent in translation.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree. It's obvious to most that he actually reduced his diving dramatically.
jaimie you cannot have seen him play much saying that it was more common in those days ,and i cannot remember who said it but it was in a european game and they said they nknew who the danger man was and souness flattened him in the first few minutes from then on the player did not want to know
ReplyDeleteDon't referees get paid for being impartial?
ReplyDeletePure hearsay. The game was different back then; much more physical, so obviously tackles would've been harder.
ReplyDeleteHe admitted it but did not condemn it or say he won't do it again.
ReplyDeleteThat's the real irony.
one ? to all posters would you rather have suarez in out team or playing against us because if you want him in the team that is what you get,if you took the nastyness out of his game he would not be half the player i know imo he would still be first on the teamsheet ,you cannot have it both ways
ReplyDeleteYou are finding clear words here. For safety reasons I will not say whether or not I agree entirely or in parts with what you write, but I truly (!) applaud your bravery to post a comment like that.
ReplyDeleteNo to the first question, but if you confess to a crime, you do get a lighter sentence.
ReplyDeleteWrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
ReplyDeleteI want us to beat them, but NOT by those means. Getting the benefit of the doubt, like Mansfield, fine.
Hand of God? Not in my name.
We are LFC
I'm with you, good ideas. How about not handing out retroactive cards, but make them do charitable work (like handing out soup to the poor). Maybe that way those spoilt brats that some pros are get back a sense for reality.
ReplyDeleteTherefore they are double cheats. They cheat on the pitch and then deny that they have been cheating. Or does it make them cheats and liars?
ReplyDeletedifferent situation it really must have been the hand of god
ReplyDeleteyou and cris not scottish by any chance
ReplyDeleteone of the best players in the prem ...and you want to sell him?.....what a txxt.........
ReplyDeleteI don`t think it has no. The only change I can see, is some being granted a clean slate for grassing up others. Sport due to the money involved will always have people who want to try and cheat to win, it is very much a cat and mouse game between the ones who want to catch them, and the ones who want to gain a edge. In that respect the Suarez case, is related. Any why even though it would be bad of us as a team, I would have no problem with him getting a ban. My only problem would be if no one else ever did. They really need to crack down it on properly, across the board
ReplyDeleteI'd even go further. I usually think that most professional footballers are not the sharpest tools in the box. Most of them are very blunt tools indeed.
ReplyDeleteThe problem I see with selling Luis is we will probably end up buying a 20 year old for 15 million to replace him. Plus I think there is a good guy buried under all the controversy, hopefully we will see him some time. But yes Ayre should go, even his most recent gaffe saying we can attract anyone to the club is embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteI feel strongly that Luis Suarez has decided to leave. He realises that Liverpool's approach to progress will not work. There are many that will be glad to see the back of him, but unlike others, I don't see Liverpool surviving without him. They're barely surviving since Torres left - the only other player we paid more than £20M for, whose value matched his ability.
ReplyDeleteIt is so important to keep our best players because not only do they attract other world-class players, but lose them and they will not be replaced. We were fortunate enough to replace Torres with someone if equal, if not better, quality. Ian Ayre seems to think we can attract the world's best. If so, then why aren't the world's best not playing for us?
i,am glad you have seen the light dont think you would have had many friends on the cop but at least we would have got a bit of entertainment
ReplyDeleteYes you can. You can have amazing players who don't cheat, and there have been hundreds of those throughout history. This is just another backhanded approval of cheating.
ReplyDeleteJohn Barnes was 10 times the player Suarez is; did he cheat? NO. Same goes for any number of players you can mention.
and where do you sit on match day? cos i would like a chat with you....
ReplyDeleteStop your superfan nonsense, or you'll be banned
ReplyDeleteThey shat in their own changing rooms? Did they really do that?
ReplyDeleteand this is part of the problem, no one minds if it helps them. Football is of course swings and roundabouts, and some things will go your way one day, and not the next. Somethings are just like that, but when it comes to things we can pretty easily solve, it bugs me that the F.A, FIFA and UEFA don`t do something about it. Everyone gains by cheating being taken out of football. Football doesn`t lose its edge, non of us watch it for the cheating, so I don`t get why they never really address the issue. Children would have better role models, we could watch fair games, and teams wont lose due to someone cheating. Bringing in some retrospect aspect to the game would help in so many ways.
ReplyDeletehe would be better than some of the teachers lol
ReplyDeleteThe Kop does not represent the majority view of LFC fans across the globe, nor should it.
ReplyDeleteLOL indeed.
ReplyDeleteagree m8 when he leaves our club people will call him another judas,but by god he has had more stick on here than torres did when he went to chelsea
ReplyDeleteyour a propaganda man........
ReplyDeleteOh, come on. LFC can't survive without Suarez? With the greatest respect, get a grip (!) LFC will go on; Suarez is not the be all and end all, not even close. It's elevating players to that kind of position that is also part of the problem, and it causes fans to ignore everything.
ReplyDeleteIf Suarez leaves, LFC will be fine, just like they were fine when Keegan left; Rush, Fowler, Owen etc. When Owen and Fowler left, for example, LFC went on to win the European Cup.
The sooner Suarez leaves, the better.
that is a good idea, and would be a nice thing, but at least by using cards, the punishment affects the team. Therefore giving more reason for it to stop. It is such a simple thing to solve, which is why it bugs me that the powers that be don`t. apart from having to pay a few people to re-watch the games, I can`t see how football would lose out. If anything it might gain money due to more people watching it. I know so many people know who don`t watch football anymore as they feel it is to corrupt.
ReplyDeleteSorry- I seemed to have replied to the wrong comment lol!
ReplyDeleteSorry.
Torres isn't a prolific cheat like Suarez, nor did he have a long history of negative incidents.
ReplyDeleteI think selling him would be bad management and, if we don't finish in the Champions League places this season, very bad for the club as we won't be able to replace him with a player of his calibre.
ReplyDeleteThe club should fine him and Rodgers should give him a serious talking to. If the club can get the unsavoury parts of his game ironed out, and he stays with us, he'll go down as one of our greatest ever players.
Luis Suarez couldn't help himself i suppose. He had to admit that he took a dive during the Stoke game. A game in which we saw a fuming Stoke manager Tony Pulis call Luis Suarez "a cheat." This particular controversy was already virtually dead till the insightful Suarez admission fueled the flames.
ReplyDeleteI has never ceased to amaze me how somebody like Suarez a player a considerable amount of talent allows himself to fall to such a level just to get attention. "Attention" to Suarez is what Cocaine is to a junkie " a powerful addiction."
There are two reasons why i am very happy to see that Brendan Rodgers will stand up to Luis Suarez.
(1) Kenny Daglish in all his glory was nothing more than a push over. Suarez and Carrol and the rest of the squad pretty much did what they wanted under him. Rodgers has proved to be a no nonsense individual didn't hesitate to bench Reina when needed, so should not take any shenanigans from Suarez.
(2) Luis Saurez may score a lot of goals for us and we can all be greatful for that. I believe at the same time that Luis Suarez is hurting Liverpool through all his controversies. Everytime he is involved in another controversy i believe that he damages Liverpool's stellar REPUTATION as a professional ball club. The more of these controversies we are involved with the more we are seen in a bad light. It makes us appear as a less than professional footballing organization. One that condones cheating to get ahead. He clearly has no idea what damage he is doing to the institution that is Liverpool.
He clearly in my opinion needs to be brought down a peg or two. It is important because it set a precedence to other players watching that it is not okay to cheat in other to give your team an advantage during the big games. What Suarez fails to understand is that if you obtain a bad reputation it is much harder undo it.
We call football "the beautiful game" for a reason. Don't think cheating makes it any more beautiful. Let's stamp it out so that we can keep enjoying it at the same level.
You are the one claiming that that payers in the exact same position, etc,etc.
ReplyDeleteBut OK if this is what you want: I'll refer to you to the Uruguay - Spain of 1990 where the Spanish defender used his hand on the line to avoid an Uruguayan goal. Uruguay missed the penalty (surprisingly, nobody remembers that one.)Critical handballs have occurred in the past several times in WC, what does it matter that if they were on the line?? What matters was the context on the action and what happened afterwards. In my view that was not cheating.And I found funny how you avoid my whole point of having different cultures seeing the same action and in a different way. You are always sayings that there are different levels of cheating, diving being the worst. I am saying that the Ghana situation is not among them.