During the first half of Liverpool's rout of Chelsea reserves last night, Michael Essien scythed down Andy Carroll with a disgraceful two-footed tackle. Several players have been sent off for similar assaults this season but Essien escaped a red card. With ridiculous decisions like this, is it any wonder referring standards in the Premier League are in the gutter?
In what universe is this tackle anything other than a straight red card?
Essien is nowhere near the ball, and from the nature of the tackle, it seems clear that he had no real intent to make a genuine tackle:
Carroll could've been seriously injured if Essien had connected with his ankle, and it's just blind luck that the 'tackle' didn't result in the Liverpool striker being stretchered off the field. If ever there was a foul that deserved retrospective punishment, this is it, and hopefully the FA will take action.
Carroll played well again last night, but his performance was marred by a ridiculous display of play-acting after Branislav Ivanovic elbowed him in the chest. As you can see from the video below, Carroll hit the deck, and then clutched his face with both hands as if he'd been elbowed in the face:
It was definitely a penalty, but why does that give Carroll the right to basically cheat in a blatant attempt to get Ivanovic sent off? There was NO contact with Carroll's face, and it's obviously deliberate play-acting because of the 3 second pause between contact and face-clutching.
Did Carroll need to react that way? He probably had no choice - the compulsion to cheat is so instinctual in footballers these days that they react this way without even thinking. It's not the first time Carroll has tried to con the referee this season either; he was booked for a blatant dive against Newcastle recently, which shows that he's definitely capable of 'gamesmanship':
Essien's tackle was a disgrace, but Carroll's play-acting was up there with Rivaldo's histrionics in the World Cup, and comparable to James Perch's play-acting at Anfield a few weeks ago.
I cannot wait for the day when the FIFA, UEFA or the FA introduces straight reds cards and/or retrospective punishment for play-acting and diving. Such extreme measures would stamp it out of the game overnight, and we wouldn't have to watch 6"4 'men' writing about on the floor like they'd been shot in the face.
I'll be slammed again by fans for daring to highlight the play-acting of a Liverpool player, but this issue is bigger than narrow-minded tribal support. Cheating is ruining football, and it needs to be addressed, and real change will not happen until enabling fans stop being complicit, and start condemning players for cheating/playacting etc.
Jaimie Kanwar
In what universe is this tackle anything other than a straight red card?
Essien is nowhere near the ball, and from the nature of the tackle, it seems clear that he had no real intent to make a genuine tackle:
Carroll could've been seriously injured if Essien had connected with his ankle, and it's just blind luck that the 'tackle' didn't result in the Liverpool striker being stretchered off the field. If ever there was a foul that deserved retrospective punishment, this is it, and hopefully the FA will take action.
Carroll played well again last night, but his performance was marred by a ridiculous display of play-acting after Branislav Ivanovic elbowed him in the chest. As you can see from the video below, Carroll hit the deck, and then clutched his face with both hands as if he'd been elbowed in the face:
It was definitely a penalty, but why does that give Carroll the right to basically cheat in a blatant attempt to get Ivanovic sent off? There was NO contact with Carroll's face, and it's obviously deliberate play-acting because of the 3 second pause between contact and face-clutching.
Did Carroll need to react that way? He probably had no choice - the compulsion to cheat is so instinctual in footballers these days that they react this way without even thinking. It's not the first time Carroll has tried to con the referee this season either; he was booked for a blatant dive against Newcastle recently, which shows that he's definitely capable of 'gamesmanship':
Essien's tackle was a disgrace, but Carroll's play-acting was up there with Rivaldo's histrionics in the World Cup, and comparable to James Perch's play-acting at Anfield a few weeks ago.
I cannot wait for the day when the FIFA, UEFA or the FA introduces straight reds cards and/or retrospective punishment for play-acting and diving. Such extreme measures would stamp it out of the game overnight, and we wouldn't have to watch 6"4 'men' writing about on the floor like they'd been shot in the face.
I'll be slammed again by fans for daring to highlight the play-acting of a Liverpool player, but this issue is bigger than narrow-minded tribal support. Cheating is ruining football, and it needs to be addressed, and real change will not happen until enabling fans stop being complicit, and start condemning players for cheating/playacting etc.
Jaimie Kanwar
You're really on a mission this week Jamie
ReplyDeleteThumbs up!!
ReplyDeleteFair comments Jamie but why do you refer to it as a trait of footballers "these days"?
ReplyDeleteFuck you Jamie, you haven't a bloody clue!
ReplyDeletewind ya neck Jamie
ReplyDeleteCheating will be the death of football, and fans need to stop accepting it and start condemning it, and I'll highlight every aspect I come across, even if it involves LFC players.
ReplyDeleteJamie, you make a good point but Carroll is not what i would call a seasoned cheat.....in fact i would say that has learned his trade this season with us... after being wrestled to the ground etc continuously, i debated this point months back on another site and said that Carroll lacks the kind of guile etc that foreign players seem to be born with esp the South Americans this was in in response to the comments that he gets frustrated with the ref when floored etc..
ReplyDeleteYou mention Carrolls dive against Newcastle, what made it cringeworthy IMO was the total lack of professionality of the act.....it was like a big kid trying to cheat but failing miserably.....
Gerrard as well is not a good cheat IMO players like Lampard and Terry are seasoned pro's compared to the aforementioned, they were probably doing it as kids..... im not going to defend the act itself.....because i don't like cheating in the game and i have been very vocal about Suarez etc....so to be consistent i have to condemn it even when its not done very well.... :)
Why haven't you mentioned the way Ivanovic acted when Suarez caught him. He was clutching his face. I also remember another Chelsea player clutching his knee when the challenge brushed his waist!
ReplyDeleteI generally like reading your articlues, but on this occasion I can't help but fell you're maybe having a slow day!? It seems quite a pointless read to me and I feel annoyed that I waisted my time reading it and feeling the need to comment!
the tackle looks extremely bad, I'm not sure how come there has been no noise of it in the news, maybe because its end of season and didn't really affect the result.
ReplyDeletehowever as far as carroll goes, i actually read a few websites that ivanovic deserved to be sent off. these days its normal for any footballer once receive any contact to go down and over act. why only single out carroll? its not like we don't see it in any game. carroll shouldn't have done it, but then so shouldn't have the other 100 players this season. Jaimie i have enjoyed reading your articles / blog for a long time, however in recent weeks you have been overly negative about liverpool FC, players, management, owners etc. Maybe its frustration because of how the season has gone, but we still need to be behind them and hope this summer brings about a lot of changes.
on a completely different issue, i just watch the highlights of the game and there was this awesome cross from johnson which carroll missed. i understand that the chance was difficult, but i am used to fowler finishing those off all the time. I really wish we had a striker like him linking with suarez, we would have been the highest scoring team in the league by far.
I do agree with you on this one. I hate the sight of cheating its no good for the game. I was just looking through your list of previous articles and you would appear to be very unhappy with the pool at the moment.
ReplyDeletecarroll s face hit the deck though? he did look like he was milking it a bit though
ReplyDeleteI'm not really interested in whether you feel you wasted your time reading this; presumably, you have free will and a mind of your own, right? Well, next time, choose to go to a different site instead.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing pointless about condemning play-acting and bad tackles in football.
great game LP, congrats to the team for a great effort. was worth watching. LS was at his best and i want him ti continue with that kind of effort, thats why Alex F went on a ramp to bring u down as he knows you will be a great danger to any team, i am just greatful that u play for LP.
ReplyDeleteCarroll gets man of the match and you find something negative to write about him, give the lad a break.
ReplyDeleteJamie as I mentioned below, you seem to be of the opinion that "cheating" is something that has only recently crept into the game. Why?
ReplyDeleteIt's only normal for players to play act because fans like yourself sit there are do nothing about it. You don't highlight it; you don't complain; you just accept it, which makes you complicit. Fans do nothing, so players keep doing it. If fans booed players every time they cheated, or made it clear it was unacceptable by repeatedly publicising it, players would think twice about doing it so much.
ReplyDeletei will stop reading your articles .
ReplyDeletetrue hypocrite
You are missing a big difference between two incidents Jamie. Carroll got a yellow card for diving against New Castle and Essien walks free after two footed lung. FA holds grudges against Liverpool as Dalglish openly condemned referees at the start of season with video evidences of referee's bias.
ReplyDeleteOpen truth is FA and FA's referees have different standards for different teams.
This is the last time I will read your garbage articles, had you said that Ivanovic should have been sent off, you would have been a much more accurate. And before you accuse me of narrow minded tribal blind support for LFC, I invite you to check what the SKY punters in the studio said about the incident, and one of them was Ray Wilkins, hardly an LFC sympathiser.
ReplyDeleteHi Mitszu - I think you're right about Carroll learning his trade with LFC, and it's disappointing to see. Agree also about the Newcastle dive; it was a lame attempt, but I'm sure the quality of Carroll's dives will improve over the next couple of years.
ReplyDeleteIt WAS a foul on Carroll and it was a penalty. He exaggerated the fall but if you dont do that most of the time you wont get the decision. That is not cheating.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the refs need better education and need to make the difficult calls without them having to be forced into a decision.
Jamie kanwar is a manc
ReplyDeletePerhaps someone should elbow you in the chest and see how you react! Probably squeal like you weasel you really are. Cant bear to read any more of your drivel. Get a job man!!!
ReplyDeleteThat's not what I'm inferring. Cheating has always been around to some degree but my argument is that cheating is more instinctive 'these days' that it was in the past, i.e. players play-act without even thinking as it's so ingrained in their psyche to read that way.
ReplyDeleteIt never used to be that way before the Premier League era. You never saw players like Bryan Robson, Tony Adams, Kevin Keegan, Kenny Dalglish et al writhing on the floor clutching their faces after being tackled. It wasn't their instinct to try and con the referee.
Gosh, I've never heard that one before!
ReplyDeleteokay author, conduct an experiment involving a possible friend, for me. get him to stand strong, arm flexed, and then you take a run up, as he elbows you. make sure he hits you on the collar bone. i tried it, and it hurts like fuck. yeah athletes should be stronger, but there are bones you don't want colliding with other people's elbows, and the collar bone is one. sad you think that is a 'dive', when you were right about the newcastle 'dive'. i don't think carroll was playing for a penalty against chelsea. i think it genuinely hurt. like the essien tackle, ivanovic's elbow on carroll had nothing to do with the ball. both players simply wanted to hurt, and they did. both, should be punished. both can't because the ref saw the incidents. that said though, suarez had 2 reasons to leave the pitch early. but if ivanovic is going to learn a lesson, it is: don't elbow a team-mate of suarez. if you elbow carroll intentionally, you'll be elbowed and kicked by suarez intentionally, shortly after. shelvey also put in a two-footed tackle. so if england had literate referees, ivanovic, essien, suarez and shelvey should all have seen red. where shelvey lacked in intent, suarez made up for. i'm just shocked terry managed to just make himself look bad, instead of regressing to his typical abusive behaviour. i'll tell you something for nothing, i'd love to see either suarez or terry come up against didier zokora. then there'd be carnage. just ask emre...
ReplyDeleteI know you like to slag off Liverpool, but slagging off your own team Cheski ....this is low, even by your standards!
ReplyDeleteoh and before I forget... 4-1 Get it up yee!!
Jaimie, YOU really are pathetic!, this is about ESSEN's disgraceful tackle, on Carroll, and NOT trying to divert from this, as when the FA look into this, there should surely be a lenghty ban!!!.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, as you can see, your wasted effort on your diverted 'FUCK YOU' site, is fucking YOU up, cause it just does NOT work, with 'SOUND MINDED FANS' like myself, so GFY!!!
Its a tricky one though isn't it, because IF a defender is cheating in order to either distract you or block you then at times the only thing to do is to roll with it.....
ReplyDeleteFor me there is a difference between a striker or player actually trying to cheat against another player who isn't.....
This is where i think Carroll has got it wrong in his attempts to use some guile etc....
I hope he cleans up his act tbh because he doesn't need to do it, the subltities of gaining an advantage or just holding his own without being manhandled etc and cheating are something he needs to learn.
Jaimie, YOU really are pathetic!, this is about ESSEN's disgraceful tackle, on Carroll, and NOT trying to divert from this, as when the FA look into this, there should surely be a lenghty ban!!!.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, as you can see, your wasted effort on your diverted 'FUCK YOU' site, is fucking YOU up, cause it just does NOT work, with 'SOUND MINDED FANS' like myself, so GFY!!!
Jaimie, YOU really are pathetic!, this is about ESSEN's disgraceful tackle, on Carroll, and NOT trying to divert from this, as when the FA look into this, there should surely be a lenghty ban!!!.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, as you can see, your wasted effort on your diverted 'FUCK YOU' site, is fucking YOU up, cause it just does NOT work, with 'SOUND MINDED FANS' like myself, so GFY!!!
So what you're basically saying is this: a player should be able to get away with anything as long as he plays well. Great attitude! No wonder football morality is in the toilet.
ReplyDeleteyour gonna have your work cut out, as im guessing your going to include appealing for throw-ins and corners in that as well.
ReplyDeleteJamie i am a big fan of your analysis.I have a request for you.Please compile a list of realistic targets that liverpool can go for this transfer season Who can be a good value for money.Thanks
ReplyDeleteJaimie, YOU really are pathetic!, this is about ESSEN's disgraceful tackle, on Carroll, and NOT trying to divert from this, as when the FA look into this, there should surely be a lenghty ban!!!.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, as you can see, your wasted effort on your diverted 'FUCK YOU' site, is fucking YOU up, cause it just does NOT work, with 'SOUND MINDED FANS' like myself, so GFY!!!
Jaimie, YOU really are pathetic!, this is about ESSEN's disgraceful tackle, on Carroll, and NOT trying to divert from this, as when the FA look into this, there should surely be a lenghty ban!!!.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, as you can see, your wasted effort on your diverted 'FUCK YOU' site, is fucking YOU up, cause it just does NOT work, with 'SOUND MINDED FANS' like myself, so GFY!!!
suarez elbowed and kicked ivanovic, after ivanovic elbowed carroll. there was intent on ivanovic and suarez' part. i don't think he faked against ivanovic. i've tried that, it hurts. why he touched his face, could be instinctual, we all protect the most vulnerable part first - the face. a deliberate elbow, to both hurt carroll, and stop him illegally, is all i see. 4 players should have had reds. shelvey, for his two-footer, though he slipped. essien, because that was pure evil. ivanovic, for deliberately trying to hurt another player. and suarez for trying to exact revenge... twice.
ReplyDeleteCarroll cheating must be down to KD and his coaching staff. he probably stays behind after training to get further instruction fron Gerrard
ReplyDeleteYou pay your money to be entertained they are all just highly paid prima donas, and why nothing on Luis's forearm smash or Bruce Lee on Ivanovic????
ReplyDeleteCarroll is wrestled to the floor and fouled constantly and gets nothing. If he has learnt to make fouls on him clear and not look like he has fouled them instead, then good.
ReplyDeleteThere is no place for what the Chelsea defender did in football. You could see Carroll was in pain after the foul and the Chelsea defender should of been sent off .
you are pointing in the wrong direction. fans do speak out about it, but it is the authorities that you should be slating. until referees are ordered to start sending players off, not booking them, there will be no real deterrent.
ReplyDeleteIf I could find images of those incidents I would highlight them.
ReplyDelete'bloodgate' in rugby.
ReplyDeleteno player ever highlighted on this site has ever signed for LFC despite the sensationalist headlines regarding which players have been scouted or talked to. You are better off listening to my uncles anuties grandads son who had Stevie g in the back of his taxi the other day because those stories will be as accurate as JKs
ReplyDeleteHi
ReplyDeleteIs there anyway you can change the name of your website
so it doesn't include anything with LFC in the title ??.
At least then it wouldn't keep showing up when searching LFC info.
I mean, all your comments are just so self defeating I'm wondering it you could do something more worthwhile with your time.
Maybe you could use the words Devils advocate in your new website name, please do us all a favour and.JUST GO!!
no player ever highlighted by this site has ever signed for Liverpool Football Club. The information given is sensationalist and inaccurate
ReplyDeleteI read your column and now i see clearly why people think you are pathetic!
ReplyDeleteIn what right do you get off saying Carroll was play acting! The tip of his elbow got Carroll's chest! Now coming from a Muay Thai background! I have knocked out guys with what looked much less contact with my elbow!
Get over yourself you twat! Stop trying to make up weak journalism to try and spark readers because at this rate the little credibility you may have will diminish really quick!
What a pathetic article.
ReplyDeleteJAIMIE KAN-WART, your keep on banning me, will not work, next time, I will bring this site to it's knees!, until you realise that, fans are entitled to their opinions!.
ReplyDeleteIm staggered that anybody responds to this double-agent site. This guy is clearly an infiltrator - c'mon people!! The giveaway is not in discussing Carroll's over reaction but it is calling the opposition chelsea reserves, it dilutes from a good reds performance and it is something that any true red would not accept as a fair assessment of Chelsea's 11 that included Terry, Ivanovic, Essien, Torres, Sturrdge, Malouda - all top players. Why the insatiable desire of this guy to knock everyhting that is Liverpool??? Our team was also ROTATED, but not a reserve team - eg Shelvey, Maxi, Carragher, Carroll. So will people stop responding to this preudo-red. The only red he supports is that of another team we all know.
ReplyDeleteJAIMIE KAN-WART, your keep on banning me, will not work, next time, I will bring this site to it's knees!, until you realise that, fans are entitled to their opinions!.
ReplyDeleteNOt what he said at all....just commenting on the fact you can only fined negative thigs to say. By the way, you talk about cheating and diving and going down too easilly, but when was the last time you saw a ref blowing when a player has stayed on his feet? If he doesn't go down then he doesnt blow. It can be a foul without teh player going down, but refs never give this anymore. So players now Must throw tehmselves to the deck. And don't talk about morality, attitude or behaviou to me when you defended people being able to be Rude and desrespectful to a Liverpool legend like KD.
ReplyDeleteSo someone exaggerating a clear foul is as deserving of punishment as possibly ending someones career? You need put things into perspective! Also if you're going to mention Carroll in the simulation argument where is Ivanovic's mention? He played that game all night!
ReplyDeleteHe held his face when he went down. Thats natural for sombody been hurt. When you get palyers wiping their face and checking their hands for blood then you can imply that they are acting as if they were struck in the face. If you watch it again when Carrol got to his feet he was holding his chest and coughing implying that he was struck in the chest.
ReplyDeleteEssien and Ivanovic both deserved red cards
you should be slammed for stupid articles like this here drivel. bringing up Andy's clear elbow in the chest when the entire Chelsea team were play acting is weak.
ReplyDeleteNonsense. Show me evidence that I 'defended people being rude and disrespectful to KD'. Criticism of Dalglish is allowed; it is not rude and disrespectful, and just because you can't hack criticism of one of your idols doesn't make it so.
ReplyDeleteSuarez should have been sent off too, along with Ivanovic too.
ReplyDeleteLike the Parker incident, but more blatant the intention this time from Suarez. Also the obvious elbow/forearm attempt on Ivanovic.
youre in the toilet. with crap all over your face.
ReplyDeleteLook at the size of Carroll, he shouldn't be getting wrestled to the floor so easily and that is probably what doesn't help his case.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Henderson? He make late contact with the trailing leg and got a foul fair enough. But was carded becos the Chelsea player got hit with the old invisible lead pipe. I hate diving for fouls and free kicks but wat really annoys me is rolling around trying to get cards Barcelona style.
ReplyDeleteIt is a problem in the sport and I don't think targeting "narrow-minded" Liverpool fans is the solution. It's upto the governing body to hand of bans after reviewing footage of the games.
Refs have a hard enough time, make a tribunal who can investigate footage and make action.
I doubt there is more today than before, problem for those who cheat these days is that there are cameras everywhere unlike before, doubt you would see that carroll dive 15 years ago, most likely you would have seen 1-2 angles and thought it was a penalty
ReplyDeleteI can handle criticism of KD, but in aLiverpool forum there should always be an understanding of just who we are talking about and what he has done for us...not just On teh field. Many of teh replies in recent discussions have been well short of the mark. What about my point about players ahving to go to ground or over egg the biscuit in order for Refs to pay any attention now? And you are wrong about Caroll...he heas winded and that is the reaction you give when you have the breath knocked from you. Why never the benefit of the doubt from you? Why always so keen to be negative? And why does it always have to be KD or Rafa with your discussions...most of us would have kept Rafa and would now keep KD.
ReplyDeletePathetic.... Great work. You just summed this article up in one! How pointless
ReplyDeleteYour having a laugh surely..???
ReplyDeleteAs i said earlier, they are players who cheat and its second nature to them, and then there are players like Gerrard who try not to....get frustrated when its done against them time and time again to good effect.... and then take a dive at the wrong time usually not with desired results and in so doing let themselves down....
The way i see it IF it doesn't come naturally, like it clearly doesn't for said players....then they should learn to stay honest and not succomb to it.
Those players who do it regularly and do it well....should also resist the temptation...
Perhaps Jamie is right that maybe a little consistency in the ruling and application of it...would be the answer to kicking it out of the game, or at least making a stance against it, because atm that doesn't seem to be happening....
Also love the way posts get deleted off here for no reason..... Going to have to start calling you Klassy Kanwar! Like it?
ReplyDeleteHe clutched his face, not his collar bone.
ReplyDeleteJamie I know what gives Carroll right to cheat. It was the sending off of Reina against Newcastle and subsequent decision of the FA disciplinary commission to ban for 3 matches...in that case there was no contact. So if players see other players rewarded for cheating they would do the same. So the FA is guilty, in the first instance.
ReplyDeleteAm I barred now?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely agree...What can fans do about it. I think almost as one we dislike it and feel embarasment when it happenns. We are just beocoiming a bit more immune now. But the Authorities are a disgrace when it comes to doing their bit.
ReplyDeleteWho needs the anti Liverpool media with you about?
ReplyDeleteAgreed Polo - these prima donna are on Hollywood actors wages, what do we expect to see other than some first class acting? And football stopped being a man's game to give way to ballet a very long time ago. It will never go back to the way it was that's for sure. You have to look further down the leagues to get 'real football' these days. Remember they highlight it on Soccer AM every week in 'Tom Daleys Dive of the Week'. It doesn't get much more high profile than that but its trivialised because it is so endemic/synonimous with the modern game!
ReplyDeleteYou mention Carroll v Newcastle and his dive against nearly or no contact. No mention I see of James Perch's behaviour in the same game. How often do we see players 'square-up to one another? The way Perch went down as if Reina actually head butted him was a disgrace.
ReplyDeletehow can you title this liverpool vs chelseas reserves you muppet what because drogba lampard didint play lol what about liverpool no gerrard enrique bellamy ?
ReplyDeleteif you want to write this sort of stuff then go and write it on websites that talk about football as a whole and not a specific club. There is no point making one or two people look wrong when there 100's that do it. You sound like the typical media that try brainwashing people. It's like when they talk about terrorism they have to mention Muslim, when there's any wrongdoing you have to mention Liverpool which I understand is because this is a Liverpool site but the sort of stuff you write is not for "fans" and more for changing football as a whole and this needs to be discussed elsewhere. Even that needs to be discussed mentioning every player not just one or two!
ReplyDeleteYou should be careful about calling for retrospective punishment as it wouldn't only be chelsea players who would be banned. And Essien is definitely second string Chelsea whilst I don't think the same could be said of the charming Suarez for liverpool. Another chap who could face scrutiny is Shelvey who could / should easily have been sent off for his two footed "tackle" long before he scored his wonder goal. I wouldn't worry about bias last night. I think it more than evened itself out.
ReplyDeleteHow many games has Shelvey started this season? Carroll and Maxi too. What a muppet. You've blown it here Jaimie.
ReplyDeleteI see your belittling the win by inferring it was a reserve team and blathering on about cheating.
ReplyDeleteIt was a well deserved win against an expensively assembled Chelsea side and the Carroll incident was a nothing that you have magnified.
Mind you, a positive review without a controversial angle wouldnt get the click throughs would it Jaime?
Jamie...I don't know whether you are a prick or an arsehole. You constantly criticise Benitez, now you have become anti-Dalglish and you are at war with our players. Where is your loyalty? Are you a ManUre supporter in drag? Also, if you profess to be a journalist, please take some grammar lessons...there is no such word as "instinctual"...I think you are trying to say "instinctive".
ReplyDeletethere will always be cheats in evey thing in life what do you think your going to change it lol wise up complaining about everything
ReplyDeleteBusiness will be the death of football, not cheating.
ReplyDeleteThat elbow on Carroll was a seriously powerful blow, if hit in the ribs it surely would've broke a couple. Carroll was holding his face in pain, is he not aloud to touch his face in pain? I bet if it was you Jamie you would've been stretched off to the nearest hospital. Carroll is showing what a good dominating player he can be so forget about the past..
ReplyDeletewhy would you even write an article about andy carroll "cheating" for that incident? Ivanovic assaulted him, plain and simple. That's a straight red. Textbook.
ReplyDeleteBy grabbing his face Carroll is just doing all he can to make sure the referee recognizes the severity of the incident, and at the very least (rightly) awards a PK. I didn't see Andy get up & try to get him sent off (which he should have been anyways)?
This is not cheating. A player took actions to assure he would be awarded a freekick that he deserved.
You make yourself sound like a clown.
give it a rest jamie, for once can you bring out a positive article...
ReplyDeleteThere are thousands of YouTube compilations and threads on forums around the world that name and shame divers. It doesn't really make a difference.
ReplyDeleteFans go crazy on players who dive, though admittedly, not their own. Look at Suarez at Fulham this year. His reputation preceded him and even though he was getting rough-housed, he was still getting called a cheat (and remember this was before the Evra judgement).
The only thing that will make a difference is the authorities in football clamping down. I know you might say that it is up to fans to provide the impetus but look at the popular support for goal-line technology (not just from England). Even the media have backed this for about a decade but only now are we near a solution.
That doesn't mean that it is 'pointless' to highlight unsporting behaviour, but realistically, even if all fans were more vigilant, it would not cause a sea change in the game.
It is hard to police play acting. Obviously you can look at Essien's tackle and and say he should get a retrospective ban and the same with Suarez and even Shelvey if they really want to put a stop to people jumping into tackles, but with Carroll you can't be certain of his motives. Often players get kicked in the leg and go down holding their face. It can just be a response to pain. The most likely explanation is that Carroll was play acting, especially since he has form, but you can't be certain and that is so often the case with so-called 'dives'.
Manure haS been doing it for years and won it all. surpassing our records. The FA is not doing anything nor FIFA. if you can't beat them. You sure hell have to join them.
ReplyDeleteNo mention of Suarez forearm into ivanovic face when the ball was trickling along the floor or his fly kick into ivanovic hip in totally the opposite direction of the ball, then there was Shelveys kick in maloudas head and his two footed lunge on ramires oh yeah and Danirel Aggers two footed lunge on Ramires. I agree with all points on cheating but if yr gonna pull out tackles that deserved punishing then at least do it through two eyes not one red one.
ReplyDeleteliverpool players dont cheat they are just as bad like the two footed takle on a chelsea player just out side liverpool box . U will never win the prem becos u have got a shit manager.
ReplyDeleteThe bigger they are the harder they fall. Do you see Enrique wrestled down?
ReplyDeleteJamie
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I fear that you have highlighted the solution and the problem in the same article. One of the (rather sad) reasons that they play act/overreact/cheat is because the standard of refereeing is so poor that very often it is the only way to force them to make the right decision. As you say, it was a clear foul on Carroll that led to the penalty (and should have been a straight red), but had a big strong Andy Carroll just shrugged it off, it is doubtful the ref would have given the penalty. Let's face it, it took him an age to decide as it was. However, I do agree with you that the sooner they apply retrospective sanctions, the better - they just need to raise the standard of refereeing and allow a longer advantage period so that they can bring it back for a free kick or penalty if a clear (goal?) advantage does not materialise - as in rugby.
And as for the clown who says that Carrolls reaction to hold his face after the penalty incident was a natural one, your exactly the kind of fan that Jamie is writing about.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Jamie but only on the Essien thing because you can't seriously put those two incidents in the same basket, ffs he could have broken AC leg, I to hate the whole rolling around on the ground, gone are the days players used to try and stop the ref giving the cards now they want the edge, i put this to you, as a manager could you not try and get it out of your game some how, so i think even managers want it there to gain an edge.
ReplyDeleteShould Essien be retrospectively punished? Yes, that one's a no-brainer. Carroll? No. What kind of punishment do you mete out? It was violent conduct on Ivanovic's part, so Ivanovic was rightly carded and a penalty correctly awarded. In fact, it should have been a red. You can't retrospectively punish Carroll for that when he was aggressively fouled, yet allow Ashley Young dive with minimal/no contact winning his team a penalty - simulation of the highest order.
ReplyDeleteI wish the footage had run on, because I can't tell whether Carroll was faking a head shot or whether he was clutching his face because of the pain. If he was cheating (ala Rivaldo), then all it needs is for Dalglish to have a cautionary word with him.
Regarding simulation, it's not right and I would never condone it, but if referees got decisions right more often, some players may feel less of a need to play act. Some would cheat regardless.
There has not been any news because its Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteGo have a wank over your 8 year history .. Everton have more trophies than Chelsea ha ha
ReplyDeleteNo, I meant 'instinctual', and it is a word. It means 'pertaining to instinct'. It is in the oxford Dictionary, so I would suggest you are wrong about this.
ReplyDeletehttp://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/instinct
ur a nonce
ReplyDeleteAWKWARD
ReplyDeleteAnd there above liverpool in the the league, so lets all join pratrick and big up Evertons achievements
ReplyDeleteI think the referees/FA are as much to blame for the diving and play acting as the players.
ReplyDeleteThe only way to get a free kick is to hit the deck and roll around on the floor. If you don't the ref will take the opportunity to avoid any
controversy and not give it.
Prime example was last night, Henderson went in for a high ball and won it, but was caught by the Chelsea player, ball was there to be one so he played on, in the following challenge Bertrand went down like he'd been shot when both players came in with a high foot to control the high ball. free kick to Chelsea.
As long as players are punished for staying on their feet, the dives and soft fouls will continue.
I completely agree with retrospective action being needed.
Essien did get booked for the challenge, but that shouldn't stop him from being given a red now, the sooner the FA FIFA... wake up and recognize that refs make mistakes rather than the blind thoughtless backing them that currently goes on, the sooner fans will accept the mistakes and move on.
So easy to do for dives as well. Not sure you should punish carroll as there was clearly contact. But there are far worse incidents that need to be punished.
"forget about the past" coming from a lfc fan, thats almost as funny as Ross Turnbull keeping goal
ReplyDeleteAgger was booked, and that was never a red.
ReplyDeleteThe 'fly kick by suarez' take your blue glasses off, he was after the ball, if he brought it down he was in on goal. There was no contact with Ivanovic and he went down like he'd had his leg chopped off.
The arm across the face was certainly a foul, but there was not malice involved, he's clearly after the ball again and trying to get round BI.
Shelvey's foul was a red, saved by the fact that he got the ball and not the man. Certainly two footed and probably should have gone.
I'm not sure it was in the same league as essien tho, that was down there with the foul he put in on Hamman in 05/06 champions league.
Agree with the sentiments of the incidents & consistency of retrospective action being taken against such incidents as you describe but why so selective? Shelvey left his foot in to kick a prone Malouda on the back of the head, in my view deliberately, and also perpetrated a two footed tackle on Ramires on the edge of the penalty area...both unpunished. Suarez caught Ivanovic with a deliberate arm from behind and later kicked backwards into the same players groin at waist height...yet neither were punished. You could ask where would it end but if yoy have trial by camera then it has to be consistent, even handed and fair. Something the media (specifically Sky) are very far from in which incidents they choose to highlight or what slant they put on events.
ReplyDeletehahaha your hilarious in the fact that you actually believe what your writing, in case you havnt noticed ivan is 6 ft 2 and the ball was on the floor so im puzzled as to where your "hes clearly after the ball" comment comes from. No contact off the fly kick, lmfao, you really do have this comedy game sewn up. Im often guilty of wearing my blue glasses but i honestly think its time you gave Stevie Wonder his glasses back.
ReplyDeleteWorst and most reprimandable incident by far was the double foot lunge to the back of Carolls left leg - straight red, no questions or protests thankyou, walk.
ReplyDeleteThere were others on both sides for sure - though the Suarez kick on Ivanovic was dodgy too, the forearm thing.. hmm ..I could not believe that was intentional so I watched it like 10 times - conclusion - I honestly believe there was no violent intention behind the forearm incident. He was going for a fast grab of the shoulder, the guy is much taller, speedy misjudgement, bang.. looks horrible - must have hurt, but no real intent.
Suarez was good for a yellow there anyway, but Karma is a b*tch and came back to haunt Ivanovic.. don't forget the fact that Ivanovic recently came off a 3 match ban for punching a guy in the kidney's deliberately haaa!
If Carrol is indeed the huge cheat you claim him to be, why didnt he make more of the Essien tackle????
ReplyDeleteIvanovic-Suarez forearm - Said it earlier, that was worth a yellow, but nothing else mate. There was no violent intent in that incident, just an attempt to wrap his arm around the shoulder and ended up clipping him hard.
ReplyDeleteAgree.typical of negative attitude of this site. I'm new to tehses things. Can someone point me in the direction of a good site where Supporters can discuss the issues, agree or dissagree, but still feel like they are dealing with SUPPORTERS of Liverpool Football Club?
ReplyDeleteEvery game we see players writhing on the ground with terminal injuries a la Drogba. The referee stops the game, the dying man has won the advantage. His body is tenderly carried/assisted to the side lines and as soon as his side have taken the free kick he makes a miraculous recovery and instantly returns to the game. Once the referee suspects that he has been conned, why doesn't he leave the cheat stewing on the sidelines for four or five minutes to fully recuperate ! I can think of four or five managers who never voice a word of complaint against their players for acting week in and out, but who would be incandescent with rage if the same player was subjected to this punishment. Retrospective punishment is all well and good, but it does nothing for the team who are on the receiving end of the cheating on the actual day
ReplyDeleteI just cannot see any reason for his forearm to come anywere near his face when the ball is rollin along the floor
ReplyDeleteAnd to confirm were i stand on the one eyed/ blue glasses front, Essiens tackle was shameful, dangerous as were both of Shelveys and both deserved/deserve punishment.
ReplyDeleteIt was embarrassing to see, and its no surprise it wasn't highlighted by the guys in sky who seem to be on a mission to get him into the England squad! (deservedly, I think his performances sinced the turn of the year have improved, particulary in the last month). However, i think dealing with acts of simulation with zero contact should be given precedence at this moment. Rome wasn't built in a day, although I do get the feeling neither problem will be solved!
ReplyDeletewell if there is a penalty which is not given to my team or more worse than that a ball which crosed the line and not given a goal .for me it makes me feel bad far more than the cheating you are mentioning
ReplyDeleteI think you're being a bit too sympathetic to Gerrard there! He's usually quite cunning in when he dives, much like Rooney, ie. when the team needs it! In fairness to Suarez, he just does it all the time, which seems to suggest he cant help it!!! Which i guess is your point, but I don't think it makes the case of Gerrard any more noble or understandable.
ReplyDeleteJust seconds before the "forearm smash" (bit of an exageration, but anyhow!) Ivanovic attmepted a forceful body check on Suarez. The two were having a physical duel throughout, I didn't think either crossed the line. Neither of them are saints, let them at it!!
ReplyDeleteYep, the likes of Duncan Ferguson and Shearer fell often didn't they(!)
ReplyDeleteSorry, that is just poor.
I think Suarez could get away with murder in some fans' eyes.
ReplyDeletelol... how is essien's foul an intentional attempt to injure caroll? Cmon people. Watch the thing again in slow motion. Essien jumped to stretch for the ball even before caroll put his left foot in Essiens path. Yes its a foul but evil intent. cmon.
ReplyDeleteJamie are you sure you are a Liverpool fan? Day after day you are complaining about the team, players or manager - try supporting them a bit! or better still go and support someone where they like talking misery about their team like Arsenal!
ReplyDeleteNot the old ball over the line chestnut, you need to leave that one were it belongs, in the box marked "fantastic saves" its next to the box marked "fantastic clearances" were gallas clearance off the line should be
ReplyDeletei ahte the cheating aspect as well, probably the wrong example not becuase it a liverpool player but if you watch in slow mo he does he hit, it is a foul and watch him hit the deck, he really judders so slight over acting but def not cheating, i am sure there are lots of examples of actual cheating, gerrard dive on the fa cup , i was sitting on the corner post and it looked like a 10 for artistic impression. Id also say it would have been good to mention drogba in the fa cup and get him some help for the striker that continues to shoot him every game , but sorry i think carol example pretty weak really , does not give a very good piont justice
ReplyDeleteok so how mnay current managers have a better record then dalglish i wonder, rafa doesnt, wenger doesntm rednap doesnt, 3 league titles 2 fa cups and 3 carling cups i think or was it four league titles, ?
ReplyDeleteI agree but would blame largely the rules introduced to over protect players and as such gave large incentive to players to cheat and fake injuries . Back in the days till early 90's, short of stabbing someone in the pitch you won't get a red card . Once the Italian notortious Central Bank -Claudio Gentile said "Football is not for Ballerinas" while beating the hell out of legends like Zico and Marradona and winning the WC 1982 .
ReplyDeleteWatch him in 1982 against both players :
http://youtu.be/bctRrchKspo
http://youtu.be/Uk1iRg4Xt-M
In a nutshell, i blame the system and the rules first and then the cheating players second. What you think ?
apologise dalglish has only won the league 4 times, fa cup twice, carling cup twice and won the manager of the year four times, that and played golf for 15 years, so yes def shit id say.
ReplyDeleteJaimie K your an idiot. Your constant slating of all things LIVERPOOL FC. You will use any angle to get at players and manager alike. Anything you can publish to slate certain players and the manager and your there. I read the articles you publish and theres no way your a Liverpool fan. Your article about AC using stats and not listening to other peoples opinions just telling them to refer to the stats. Let me tell you those players you slate were bought using stats built up by people more qualified than you can ever hope to be. Those stats also don,t take into account young players reactions to the new enviroment there stepping into never mind the pricetags. You constantly slate King Kenny after just 18 months of a long term project. Rome wasn,t built in a day or 18 months. Ask Man City who have unlimited funds at there disposal how easy it is. Ask chelsea how good there recent signings have been (torres, lukaku, luiz) and how good things look for them when Englands supposed No,1 defender John Terry is ripped apart by our £35 Million Misfit AGAIN. I this article is just you having another pop at AC about something else as you can,t slate his performance. Go write about your own team and leave LFC to rebuild.
ReplyDeleteu are a pathetic piece of shit , u critisize every lfc player and kk and want them all to be sold, why do u write thrash about de team u support, your a wanker and i would love to pull your throat out,cunt.
ReplyDeleteI would rather someone play act than drag their studs down the back of a players leg. Get some perspective you idiot
ReplyDeleteI'm a Chelsea fan but the Essien tackle was a total disgrace. Disgusting attempt to hurt a player who was causing us a lot of problems. Carroll was also cheating for the pen, but it was a def pen and should have been a red for Ivanovic; the playacting was only worthy of a yellow. Shelvy also lucky to get away with nothing for a horrible tackle on Ramires.
ReplyDeletegets elbowed in the chest, had it been in the face there would have been broken bones. id like to see you take that elbow!! should of been red and i dont blame carroll for play acting. wat can some players do with the incompetence of reffs? who cares really?? was a penalty regardless.
ReplyDeletedrogba would still be rolloing about and you wouldnt bother to highlight that...............he aint red and he aint carroll.
you do love the attention...........for the wrong reasons.
gerrard dived in the cup final which was a joke of a dive, why have you not picked up on that or made it front page headlines??
id like to see you take that elbow and see how you react..............tough man
ReplyDeleteyour just a true hardcore non bitter fan lol
ReplyDeletedo you now have to kiss a#s to get a decent post on here??
ReplyDeleteactually wats changed
Re: the Essien challenge, agree it should have been a red but my recollection of the game was that he got booked for it so there can be no retrospective punishment.
ReplyDeleteCheating has obviously always been around, a certain handball goal occurred 26 years ago and players such as Francis Lee where renowned for winning penalties. It is unfortunate that play-acting crept into our game. Fair play to you for highlighting the issue but unfortunately you do seem to do be inconsistent and keen to put negative slants on certain players you don't like. Andy Carroll is hardly a player who has a history of trying to con ref's and in this incident he was the victim and wanted to ensure the ref didn't miss the incident. If you remember back to our game away to Fulham, Dempsey hit Bellamy with his head, it was an obvious red card offence but because Bellamy didn't react Dempsey got away with it and we end up losing the game. But Reina (deservedly) got sent off at Newcastle because the reaction made sure the ref didn't miss it.
ReplyDeleteYou have seen how the most admired club in the world use simulation/ play acting to their advantage so it is obvious why players feel the need to over react when fouled.
The point im trying to make is that the act of cheating is wrong no matter how it is employed or by who BUT we all know that certain players are just not naturally that way inclined so when they do it it looks cringeworthy.
ReplyDeleteGerrard was IMO quite an honest player when he started out, maybe your right and i am being a little sympathetic towards him but i recall us playing Chelsea quite a few times when Mourinho was there, Lampard and Terry would do anything to gain an advantage along with other players etc and often get away with it.
Thats not to single Chelsea out either because we have seen many player fropm various Clubs with pro divers etc...in fact torres would annoy me much in the same way that Suarez does....
I could see the frustration with Gerrard, though i felt he should have kept himself more honest, Jamie is rght though HAD the FA taken a tougher stance, then players who are more honest would not be tempted to do it because no one would be getting away with it in the first place....
well done jaime for highlighting such shameful play acting - too many will turn a blind eye to what Andy did because he had a good game and is one of our own - they need to think how they would react if it was a Utd player rolling around clutching thier face to get a penalty ,
ReplyDeleteSometime the double standards and self rightousness we adopt as fans makes me cringe.
Until the FA tell the referees to grow a set and start sending of cheats then the game will degenerate. A few swift yellows then reds for mouthing off, cheating and diving and then the players will soon fall into line. I've never seen anything as childish i played rugby and Gaelic football both tough sports and the refs simply took no nonsense. Apply the rules in football properly and the madness will end.
ReplyDeleteEssien was cautioned for his foul on Carroll (in the 43 minute). Check your facts first. No wonder you and thus site get ridiculed, you dont write anything, you simply twist press headlines in an attempt to look important.
ReplyDeleteHE slightly get's hit on the chin but very poor to hold his face like that.
ReplyDeleteI think Carroll wanted to highlight to the ref that Ivanovic was consistantly using his elbows. You can see Ivanovic look over his shoulder and move his elbow in the direction of Carroll. In my book that is very dangerous play and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't elbowing deemed a red card offense a few years back? So I can't blame Carroll for that. However, I do still cringe when watching the Newcastle incident!
ReplyDeleteMr Positive strikes again! Ivanovic shouldve been sent off plain and simple- he may as well have walked up and punched Carroll. ANd the referee was looking straight at it! Yes Carroll did the footballer thing of grabbing your face when in pain but the ref shouldve spotted the deliberate elbow! Are there actually any other writers on this website, coz I'm sick of reading your morbidly miserable tosh! Last time I'll bother coming on this site.
ReplyDeleteHahahaha Jamie you are on a one man mission mate!!! Firstly there's a slight mistake in your article....... James perch dive was a st james park (sports direct arena) not anfield! And it was nothing like rivaldos cos rivaldo got hit by a ball on his leg and Carroll got elbowed. And also Carroll did go down against Newcastle but if you look at his right foot you can see it got caught in ground cos mud comes up and he fell. He was wrong in appealing for a peno which is cheating but think you can just bout see his foot does get caught so maybe not a dive but defo wrong in appealing for it after!
ReplyDeleteWhat your comment on your own Manure's Ashley Young, JK? Or did Ferguson placed the gag on you again?
ReplyDeleteA manc wearing a skirt!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAndy knew it was a penalty, just making sure he got it..
ReplyDeleteAll footballers are cheats it goes with the game..
one eyed liar, how can you possibly say that the dive against newcastle was "maybe not a dive" , PATHETIC, it was disgraceful behaviour, cheating of the highest order and completely undefendable, you even attemptin to defend it makes you sound pretty clueless and dishonest
ReplyDeleteHave you seen the grass come up when his foot digs in? He was looking at the keeper so maybe he thought he was clipped and went down cos in all honesty find me a player who doesn't get the smallest of clips and goes down?!! So there's my honesty hence no dishonesty and I'm not clueless cos I know how football works. Seems like your abit of a dope who doesn't understand. Gerrard went down easily to win the peno in cl final 2005 was that cheating at its highest order and undefendable? If there's anyone who's clueless it's you an think your being dishonest to yourself. Btw are you a Liverpool fan or chavski fan?
ReplyDeletethe same 'fantastic' goalkeeper who should have seen red after bringing baros down prior to garcia's 'goal'?
ReplyDeletewell said mate..
ReplyDeletewell said kk73,thats all jamie the pansy writes about, he s a manc supporter trying to annoy real lfc fans.
ReplyDeleteI agree, people that take offence to others comments by being rude or just deleting them doesnt make it not so.
ReplyDeleteivanovics arm goes into carrolls throat, find a better copy and watch it properly jaimie, no faking, no diving just an elbow in the throat. sick of you now jk your an absolute joke with worthless opinions that are by far and large in the minority. i pretty sure you have never kicked a football yourself in your entire life and prove day in and out that you actually know a very minimal amount about the game itself. do your self a favour stop the blog and go get a day job to keep your tiny little one track mind busy. oh and go find yourself a new team to support to coz the vast majority of us true liverpool fans do not want you associated with our club.
ReplyDelete"writing about on the floor". Proof read please. You do get paid for this don't you?
ReplyDeleteyou talk absolute drivel, krul did not touch carroll, end of debate, theres going down easily, and theres pretending youve been touched when zero contact is made, "he was looking at the keeper so maybe he thought he was clipped and went down, LMFAO, HAHAHAHAHA, that is hilarious, read back your post and you will realise how ridiculous you sound. Id leave it there if i was you
ReplyDeleteUtter and complete nonsense. Carroll wasn't cheating at all, he was hit in the upper chest near the throat so has every right to throw his hands up (they didn't stay up long either).
ReplyDeleteVery poor slight. very poor indeed. like grammar some of on site this.
Again you chavski ponce I never said krul touched him! Are you sure you hant got selective memory or just read what you want!!!! That was a typo it was meant to be 'he WASN'T'. Your club optimises cheating so end of convo there and lets leave it at that yeah. You plastic flag waving w****r :)
ReplyDeleteYes, and the mission Mr Kanwar is on is called a CRUSADE against A Carroll.
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