Liverpool's game against Newcastle descended into utter farce yesterday as Andy Carroll was booked for diving (and then stormed down the tunnel when he was subbed); Pepe Reina was sent off trying to headbutt James Perch; Steven Gerrard told Kenny Dalglish to get off the pitch, and Jose Enrique ended up in goal. Former Liverpool manager Roy Evans was dismayed by what he saw, and called on Dalglish to immediately prioritise the signing of a 'natural goalscorer'.
Summarising the game for LFC TV, Evans - whose Liverpool teams never finished outside the top four during his reign - said:
"It was a poor performance, and the results don't lie in the end. Apart from the first 15 minutes, they didn't blend together as a team, and it just got really patchy.
"It was a really bad day at the office, and it could be costly in more ways than one.
"We haven't got a natural goalscorer. Luis Suarez can create, but he can't quite finish often enough".
I genuinely believe that if it was Evans in charge this season, Liverpool wouldn't be this bad.
I don't think Evans gets enough credit for what his time at the club. Liverpool were a train wreck when he took over from Graeme Souness, and despite all the disadvantages at the time, he took Liverpool to 4th in his first season (an improvement of 4 positions in the league), and then genuinely challenged for the league over the next two years.
I will always remember the Evans era for the fantastic football played by the club. Liverpool were genuinely the most exciting team in England at that time, and the club had the results and the league positions to back it up.
Additionally, if Champions League rules had been different back then, Liverpool would've qualified for the competition every year under Evans; just imagine what the cash influx could've done for the club at that time.
Dalglish's current team is not in the same league as any of Evans' teams IMO.
Jaimie Kanwar
Summarising the game for LFC TV, Evans - whose Liverpool teams never finished outside the top four during his reign - said:
"It was a poor performance, and the results don't lie in the end. Apart from the first 15 minutes, they didn't blend together as a team, and it just got really patchy.
"It was a really bad day at the office, and it could be costly in more ways than one.
"We haven't got a natural goalscorer. Luis Suarez can create, but he can't quite finish often enough".
I genuinely believe that if it was Evans in charge this season, Liverpool wouldn't be this bad.
I don't think Evans gets enough credit for what his time at the club. Liverpool were a train wreck when he took over from Graeme Souness, and despite all the disadvantages at the time, he took Liverpool to 4th in his first season (an improvement of 4 positions in the league), and then genuinely challenged for the league over the next two years.
I will always remember the Evans era for the fantastic football played by the club. Liverpool were genuinely the most exciting team in England at that time, and the club had the results and the league positions to back it up.
Additionally, if Champions League rules had been different back then, Liverpool would've qualified for the competition every year under Evans; just imagine what the cash influx could've done for the club at that time.
Dalglish's current team is not in the same league as any of Evans' teams IMO.
Jaimie Kanwar
Jaimie, I read most of your comments however I must say I am getting fed up with your constant criticism. Yet you don't come out with any solutions! Lets be honest if we had an Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler, Michael Owen or Torres (at his best) in this team, this season, we would be in the top four, FACT!. I think the pivotal game of the season (forget all the drawn games) was Arsenal at home, we battered them for 70 mins and lost. I believe Liverpool players lost alot of belief after that game, they now go out and don't expect to score, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO! There is nothing to lose in the premiership now, so let's give the kids a go. Stirling, Coady and Wisdom, they could not do any worse.
ReplyDeleteKenny MUST GO! He's simply not good enough and he's a liability.Period.
ReplyDeleteIf you're getting 'fed up' then don't visit this site. Why is it my job to come up with solutions? I've offered plenty of solutions over the years, but I'm not going to have an extra section on every post titled 'possible solutions'.
ReplyDeleteThe solution is self-evident; I don't need to spell it out.
+1
ReplyDeleteThe only thing wrong with the Evans era was the shocking defending. We had two of the best strikers of their generation, and were great going forward, BUT we were stuck with Ruddock, Scales & Harkness at CB with McAteer on the right and Rob Jones on the left.
The 'triggers' were both great players, but playing out of their best positions and the CB were just crap... not forgetting Calamity James.
If only the best of that team could have been blended with the Houllier defence + goalie, we could have been unstoppable.
Agree that we played cracking attacking football under Evans, but the league was not half as competitive back then, 4 or 5 decent teams.
ReplyDeleteI did actually like Evans as Boss but if Dalglish is out of touch as I read on here then surely Evans falls into that category also??
I feel a certain emabarassment this monrign being a Liverpool fan - actaully I'd say I feel humiliated, adn Kenny is to blame for it.
ReplyDeleteI hope he leaves before the FA Cup semi final humiliation we'll suffer at the hands of Everton, otherwise that is all KD wll be remembered for - getting hammered by the bluenoses. IN fact, it wouldn't suprise me if history repeats itself adn KD walks cos of a poor result against everton.
*SIGHS* I have had just about enough now, I tunred over the telly 10 mins into the second half - i simply have no interest till KD goes now
We all know we need a goal scorer preferably not a British one. But than again KD might go for someone like D Bent. We're r all the fans that want to give him another season cos of the progress made already.
ReplyDeleteIm so gutted to see liverpool where they are with the money spent,sterling and morgan to the bench,gives us different options!!!! Carroll to go in the summer he is SHOCKING!! We are also desperate for a right winger and a second keeper to push PEPE...I love Kenny but his heart rules his head...let steve clarke take over until the end of the season and start rebuilding again!! Check the league if we keep dropping points we will be fighting to stay up..Gerrard needs to lift his game and so does suarez(sulks)....Its time to stop making excuses football is not hard its a team game with 11 players!! Start with the kids what have we got too lose or are we accomadating certain players again!!!!
ReplyDeleteLJ
Jamie who's your natural goal scorer solution and who's your manager solution?
ReplyDeleteI've already answered those questions countless times in various comments/posts. Why is up to me to provide solutions anyway? Are we to believe that Dalglish et al are irreplaceable and there's no one in world football who could come in and do the job?!
ReplyDeleteManagers:
Rodgers, Bielsa, O'Neill, Blanc, AVB, Low, Klopp etc - there are plenty of managers out there who could do a great job at Liverpool.
Goalscorers:
Jordan Rhodes - he is the answer, I am sure of it. 35 goals in 31 starts; 79 goals in the last 2.5 season. He is a natural goalscorer, and with the right coaching, I'm sure he could do the business for Liverpool.
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/03/35-goals-in-31-starts-liverpool-should.html
Jamie I havn't used the website alot so I havn't seen your other posts
ReplyDeleteYou misunderstood my post. I just wanted your opinion and I strongly oppose the theory that Daglish is irreplaceable.
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure about AVB but I am a great fan of Lowe and Klopp. O'Neill wouldn't leave Sunderland now. Rodgers has done a fantastic job at Swansea but I'm cautious of successful bottom/middle table team managers after what happened with Hodgson- he couldn't handle a big club but he keeps middle table teams competent
ReplyDeleteWe should all
ReplyDeletehave to start wondering:
1. Are
John W. Henry, Thomas Werner, Ian Ayre, and Damiel Comolli possessed with the
same feelings of humiliation and embarrassment as most of LFC’s fans are by
watching one of the most historic teams to be humiliated by all of its
opponents in 2012?
2. Do
they really have the pure intentions, as they are trumpeting, to turn around
the fortunes of this team?
3. When
will they finally realize that as long as they do not act decisively and
immediately to appoint a world class manager and sack Kenny Dalglish this team
will always be on the red alert zone?
4. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner start eventually protecting their investment
and the sponsors who are heavily investing in LFC’s world-recognized brand
name?
5. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner eventually and finally be consulted honestly by
the football experts and informed that what it is happening to LFC in 2012 is
not a normal and healthy condition/development?
6. Will
Ian Ayre as the Managing Director and Damiel Comolli as the football director
finally start acting as pure professionals and step aside any emotions of
favoritism towards Kenny Dalglish and finally advise/consult John W. Henry and
Thomas Werner to make the right decision(s)?
7. Will
Kenny Dalglish finally start acting as a pure Liverpoollian and step down as
LFC’s manager as he can help this team find its recovery path?
8. “According to a report in The Sun,
Carroll was furious at being taken off and screamed profanities at manager
Kenny Dalglish, before disappearing into the tunnel. "It's a f****** joke, f*** off,"
screamed the striker at Dalglish.” Don’t
you think Kenny Dalglish have already lost the plot?
to subject one of your players to the humiliation he must have felt when substituted was absolutely disgraceful and i fully understand carrolls reaction i lost a lot of respect for dalglish over this
ReplyDeleteNow that reina misses the semi, doni will be in goal but he never played a game for us this season not even against oldham or exeter so yet another mistake from kenny never mind the 2 league games he will play but on semi vs everton such a big game in big stadium and doni has no experiences with us so I can imagine whats his day will be like, I blame the fans too for all this whats happening to us, they almost wanted to kill Roy H. last time he was doing this and now they say nothing about kenny they do nothing to push the sack of him, cmon do something sing at anfield kenny out or write banners or anything, pity im not living in liverpool because I would of done something for sure to save this club, just hope FSG sack kenny asap and cant wait for the season to finish, but if kenny stays here for another season it will be worse than this cuz league is getting stronger every year and we getting weaker so it would be a huge setback for us, KENNY OUT PLEASE!
ReplyDeleteWe should all
ReplyDeletehave to start wondering:
1. Are
John W. Henry, Thomas Werner, Ian Ayre, and Damiel Comolli possessed with the
same feelings of humiliation and embarrassment as most of LFC’s fans are by
watching one of the most historic teams to be humiliated by all of its
opponents in 2012?
2. Do
they really have the pure intentions, as they are trumpeting, to turn around
the fortunes of this team?
3. When
will they finally realize that as long as they do not act decisively and
immediately to appoint a world class manager and sack Kenny Dalglish this team
will always be on the red alert zone?
4. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner start eventually protecting their investment
and the sponsors who are heavily investing in LFC’s world-recognized brand
name?
5. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner eventually and finally be consulted honestly by
the football experts and informed that what it is happening to LFC in 2012 is
not a normal and healthy condition/development?
6. Will
Ian Ayre as the Managing Director and Damiel Comolli as the football director
finally start acting as pure professionals and step aside any emotions of
favoritism towards Kenny Dalglish and finally advise/consult John W. Henry and
Thomas Werner to make the right decision(s)?
7. Will
Kenny Dalglish finally start acting as a pure Liverpoollian and step down as
LFC’s manager as he can help this team find its recovery path?
8. “According to a report in The Sun,
Carroll was furious at being taken off and screamed profanities at manager
Kenny Dalglish, before disappearing into the tunnel. "It's a f****** joke, f*** off,"
screamed the striker at Dalglish.” Don’t
you think Kenny Dalglish have already lost the plot?
Nick - believe me, I don't think Dalglish is irreplaceable (!) - Far from it; he's eminently replaceable.
ReplyDeleteMy UK choice would be Brendan Rodgers, but only if he was given time. Sadly, that wouldn't happen, and he'd be hounded out of Anfield after a few bad results, just like Hodgson.
He's the right age though, and he's worked with some of the best managers in the game, so he he will have learned a lot.
Sorry, my mistake; I mistook you for another poster named 'Nick' (There are several)
ReplyDeletei'll call myself Nick1811 just to distinguish myself from other nicks :)
ReplyDeleteeveryones saying get this player or that player ,,,the truth is since rafa left the club have quickly turned into mid table tripe,,, gone is the days when we had a world class midfield ,big sami hypia, and a young carra and a unplayable torres,, the atmosphere within anfield isnt the same anymore because theres very little to sing about,,teams dont fear us and we are now a laughing stock,,,,,it wasnt that long ago we where beating barca madrid juve ac milan,,chelsea and man utd what has happened,,,THE TRUTH we replaced roy hodgson with the wrong manager we should of offered it to a top european coach and let him spend 113 million on european players ,,,but instead the two new owners who havent a clue about football let the supporters get there wish in daglish and so began the down fall ,the 113 million was invested in british players who are simply not good enough and should be sold asap after kenny has left lfc for good,,
ReplyDeleteWe should all
ReplyDeletehave to start wondering:
1. Are
John W. Henry, Thomas Werner, Ian Ayre, and Damiel Comolli possessed with the
same feelings of humiliation and embarrassment as most of LFC’s fans are by
watching one of the most historic teams to be humiliated by all of its
opponents in 2012?
2. Do
they really have the pure intentions, as they are trumpeting, to turn around
the fortunes of this team?
3. When
will they finally realize that as long as they do not act decisively and
immediately to appoint a world class manager and sack Kenny Dalglish this team
will always be on the red alert zone?
4. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner start eventually protecting their investment
and the sponsors who are heavily investing in LFC’s world-recognized brand
name?
5. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner eventually and finally be consulted honestly by
the football experts and informed that what it is happening to LFC in 2012 is
not a normal and healthy condition/development?
6. Will
Ian Ayre as the Managing Director and Damiel Comolli as the football director
finally start acting as pure professionals and step aside any emotions of
favoritism towards Kenny Dalglish and finally advise/consult John W. Henry and
Thomas Werner to make the right decision(s)?
7. Will
Kenny Dalglish finally start acting as a pure Liverpoollian and step down as
LFC’s manager as he can help this team find its recovery path?
Roy was fortunate in having a forward line in their absolute pomp. His signings were as suspect as Souness's and Dalglish's. He was probably too nice and allowed the likes of Ruddock and his 'pound coin' accolytes rule the roost
ReplyDeleteEvans is right, there is no cohesion in this side, we have been playing in patches but not with enough consistency....AND determination to win....
ReplyDeleteNow, im as frustrated as the next guy about this season.....the ONLY defence of Kenny is that certain players have been letting him down...big time....but that is only half the story, sadly.....
Yesterdays game brought tears to my eye's, naturally i love Kenny, grew up idolising him...like perhaps many other LFC fans of that era, the guy was and is class.....but to see him stood on the sidelines during yeserdays game, head down, looking confused and a tad vulnerable was truly painful and sad to behold.....
Gerrard having to sort out the shennanigans after Reina was dismissed with Kenny wandering onto the pitch was a moment i won't forget for some time, Kenny looked lost confused and cut a very sad figure indeed, as i said earlier the only defence of him is that certain players are letting him down, those players are simply not fit to wear the shirt....should be bundled out of the Club as soon as the window opens...in fact i'd like to think that replacements have already been lined up.....
As for Kenny, i just don't know what to say anymore, he really hasn't helped his cause much, team line ups, substitutions and general tactics are his responsibility, as is hiring the right players for the right positions.....
He could have changed the set up, he could have benched 1 or 2 or our "stars", he could have bought a RW and another striker.....he could also have given Carroll a proper run of games up front with Suarez.....his fate as manager was very much in his own hands, not anymore IMO, a failure to highlight our weaknesses and correct them will im sure cost him his job as it would anyone else.
Yesterday, he started with Gerrard on the right and Spearing in the centre.....now why the fcuk is he playing Spearing in the centre??? and not playing Gerrrard there....then he starts Carroll for a change but once again doesn't start Downing..........so where the fcuk is the service???
And this has been going on ALL season long, add to that the clique of players who have been underperforming.....and it is clear as day that he has to go, we need to re group, we need to re build, in short we need a manager who can take us forwards, as it stands there is no way on earth that Kenny can do that, i just hope that somehow Kenny will realise this and do the right thing for the Club and more importantly himself......
YNWA.
We should all
ReplyDeletehave to start wondering:
1. Are
John W. Henry, Thomas Werner, Ian Ayre, and Damiel Comolli possessed with the
same feelings of humiliation and embarrassment as most of LFC’s fans are by
watching one of the most historic teams to be humiliated by all of its
opponents in 2012?
2. Do
they really have the pure intentions, as they are trumpeting, to turn around
the fortunes of this team?
3. When
will they finally realize that as long as they do not act decisively and
immediately to appoint a world class manager and sack Kenny Dalglish this team
will always be on the red alert zone?
4. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner start eventually protecting their investment
and the sponsors who are heavily investing in LFC’s world-recognized brand
name?
5. Will
John W. Henry and Thomas Werner eventually and finally be consulted honestly by
the football experts and informed that what it is happening to LFC in 2012 is
not a normal and healthy condition/development?
6. Will
Ian Ayre as the Managing Director and Damiel Comolli as the football director
finally start acting as pure professionals and step aside any emotions of
favoritism towards Kenny Dalglish and finally advise/consult John W. Henry and
Thomas Werner to make the right decision(s)?
7. Will
Kenny Dalglish finally start acting as a pure Liverpoollian and step down as
LFC’s manager as he can help this team find its recovery path?
You hit the nail on the head. The owners were(are?) so naive it's unbelievable. I remember Henry saying something like "we wanted to switch to a more pass and move style" when talking about sacking Hodgson and you could tell he didn't have the first clue of what he was talking about. My only hope is that they've been smart enough to hire some consultants (not attached to Liverpool) this time around.
ReplyDeleteYesterday was shocking to say the least. My concern now is who do liverpool get to take us forward. to be honest and i have said it before there is only one man out there that you can guaranteee that if you give him money to spend, he will cement a title challenge. mourinho would be a bad pill to swallow for most fans, but he has the arrogance and confidence to brush it a side. I do think liverpool would be a good challenge to enhance mourinho's ego. He would see it as a challenge to succeed where benitez and dalglish failed. I have said it before, if mourinho does leave madrid and head back to the premiership then liverpool need to get him in. If they dont then, the team that do and give him money will end up winning the league, that is a fact, he has done it time and time again!!!
ReplyDeleteHaving seen the team play a number of times, it seems to me Dalglish's system required the team score 2/3 goals in the first 30 minutes. If they fail to do so and the opposition manage to hang in there, then the team tires and are eventually open for the kill
ReplyDeletebenitez was given £40M over 6 years, the remaining £190M he generated by himself through sales.
ReplyDeleteNO top manager would work under those conditions.
dalglish was installed because the fans thought he was god. So blame the fans
ReplyDeleteso you would never consider asking Benitez to return jaimie?
ReplyDeleteAs a caretaker until the end of the season, yes, but not full time; not right now. Everything needs to change at Liverpool; the club needs to stop living in the past, and a young, progressive manager needs to come in and push through that change. Benitez is still tainted by the past, and it would be a mistake to go back to him now (IMO)
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but this is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
ReplyDeletea) The official club accounts prove otherwise.
b) The idea that he had to generate 190m through sales is pure supposition.
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/10/rafa-benitez-vs-alex-ferguson-transfer.html
Some day Rafa will post his figures on his website... they will be
ReplyDeleteImagine what Rafa would have done with Chelsea style splurge
He had a head start on everyone else in England when it came to Spanish talent
Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Alves, Silva, Simao etc
That's actually a really good point
ReplyDeleteWe have been well ahead on play in most games but goals never came
I find myself agreeing with the Mourinho stance tbh, im not sure if its possible, but if it is then we could easily attract some top players to the Club with him here, wouldn't have to worry about losing 1 or 2 of our unhappy players either.....
ReplyDeleteDidn't like the guy at Chelsea much but tbh i would prefer him over Benitez any day of the week, and as you say, his record of wiinning titles speaks for itself......
F**k Mourinho
ReplyDeleteWinning is not that important to me
Kenny should have left Carroll on
ReplyDeleteHe humiliated him
Ok on initial glance your website claims spent £289M, whereas this website [1] confirmed by the BBC claims he spent £230M.
ReplyDeleteSo you immediately lose credibility Jaimie. And any comparisons with Fergi are completely dumbf*ck and moronic since he didn't join Man utd at the same time rafa joined liverpool, thereby damaging your credibility EVEN further.
You Jaimie are a complete dumbf*ck comparable to all the dumbf*cks who thought Kenny Dalglish would somehow solve all of LFC's problems
References:
1. http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/02/benitez-the-great-money-waster/
I would usually just delete this response and not give it a second thought, but this time, I'll respond, delete, and then ban you.
ReplyDelete* The figures I use come directly from the club's own accounts; you know, the legal documents wherein the club has a legal duty to accurately state how much money it spends? The figures are irrefutable, whether you like it or not.
* the figures used by Tomkins are *estimates*; they are not factual. Plus, if you read his article properly, you'll see - like with most of his stat analyses - he comes up with his own rules about how to calculate things that doesn't bear any resemblance to reality.
* 'confirmed by the BBC' - What nonsense. Like most news organisations, the BBC made an estimate; it did not use the club's accounts. If it did, post the link to where this is stated.
Benitez's gross spend was 289m. The man himself even confirmed my figures are accurate in an interview in 2010, when he stated that his net spend per season was 10:
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/11/lfc-net-spend-rafa-benitez-confirms-my.html
According to the figures from the accounts, Benitez's total net spend was 63m over 6 years. What do you get when you divide 63m by 6?
10m (rounded down).
The figures I presented are correct. Deal with.
PS. You're banned for persistent personal insults (not just this post).