11 Feb 2012

Video: Perhaps it was *Evra* who refused the handshake, *not* Suarez...?

Luis Suarez sparked controversy earlier today by seemingly refusing to shake Patrice Evra's hand ahead of Liverpool's defeat to Manchester United. However, who actually did the refusing here? At first glance, it appears that Suarez ignored Evra, but could it have been the other way around?

I've seen the footage of the handshake from several angles, and overall, I still believe that Suarez decided not to shake Evra's hand, but I can understand how others might feel differently after viewing the footage below:



* Evra may have dropped his hand slightly but was it deliberate attempt to avpod a handshake? It was a highly charged moment for both players, and maybe it was an instinctive, involuntary act?

* Suarez still could've taken his hand, but it's possible he saw the dropped-hand as a signal that Evra wasn't interested?

* Evra's hand was slightly lowered, but his hand was still out there *open*, not closed, which suggests that he wanted to shake hands.

After the game, Suarez tweeted that 'All is not as it seems', so perhaps the handshake incident is what he's referring to...?

As I said above though, I still believe it was Suarez doing the refusing...

Jaimie Kanwar


176 comments:

  1. Exactly Evra is a disgrace trying to make Suarez look as though hes grovelling by begging to shake Evras hand.How people can be on Evras side is unbelievable.Suarez didnt know if Evra would shake his hand,suarez held his hand out and Evra didnt hold his hand towards Suarezs,im on your side Louis even if most other LFC fans are on Evras

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  2. evra is a cunning bastard period

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  3. Snap at 0:15 shows Evra has his hand ready for a handshake, and what the 'zoom in' at 0:15 proves is that Suarez's hand goes over Evra's to shake De Gea's. End of story.

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  4. Im on Saurez side Evra has his hand up for all the other players and lowered it when Suarez approached,its as clear as. Straight away everyone jumps on the bandwagon and blames Suarez. Oh old blue nose you keep sticking your head in the sand. Look at your own before your labels a discrase.

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  5. Maybe maybe not, Evra does pull his hand away, then makes a grab for Luis mmm the plot thickens, especially if you read Luis's tweet after the game where he says, all is not as it seems ????

    I believe, and i would do it myself, if Suarez KNOWS, as does Kenny and the players at Liverpool, that Suarez did NOT racially abuse Evra, would you shake his hand.

    I certainly would not he just got me an 8 game ban and the castgation of the press, without any proof. So sorry Mr Evra i certainly would not have shook your hand.

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  6. Oh, give it a rest, Suarez is to blame, pure and simple. Our club behaved disgracefully, the players and the manager.

    If you can clear Suarez here, what does the guy have to do? Hang Evra?

    Evra is a disgrace, your comments are a disgrace to anyone with eyes.

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  7. This post proves how delusional you kop fans are.

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  8. and when you shake hand hope u keep it at hip level not fully open.  have a good look shaking hand implies stretch hand at leat not close to your body unless u r ashame of doing it or doing it half heartedly... as for fergie about the rioting, so innocently said but malicious just see how the so called fair and just media will gop at it.. If Evra a saint soul just have a look at his expression go for tackle but gets ferdinand no sorry it was intended for ferdinand and why go for someone who refuses to shake hands with him.. just forget him going to ask an explanation. it's suarez right not to shake hand with the one who rightly or wrongly accused him.  As simple as this..

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  9. The pre-match handshake is pointless. It's supposedly meant to promote good sportsmanship, a "good luck old chap" kind of thing. Then what happens after the game has started? You get some players who greatly exaggerate the effect a tackle has had on them and go rolling around the pitch while their team mates demand free-kicks or yellow/red cards or players who blatantly dive and demand penalties. I don't know about you but I think that sort of thing is NOT good sportsmanship. The pre-match handshake just reeks of hypocrisy and should not be observed anymore.  

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  10. All of you guys commenting on Suarez are blind. It was Evra who first lowered his hand and once Suarez passes by without incident, he grabs Suarez's hand all mad and stuff. But it was Evra who started all this shite, look at the video for fooks sake, at 0:07

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  11. this suarez issue and his bad transfer policy could spell the end of kennys career at Liverpool this time round. FACT.

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  12. as delusional as your hair stylist.

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  13. is there a law which says we should shake anybody hands????? so what is all the fuss about!!! fa,referee and the media r all in fergie's hand he runs them all!!!!!

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  14. so now players has to complain that an opposite player had refuse a handshake, whether what suarez did was right or wrong morally, he had every right to refuse a handshake with someone who he doesn't see eye to eye..why the handshake if you don't mean it

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  15. stop supporting this disgraceful club, i am begging you to leave

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  16. ferdinand made himself look like a total pu$$y...what a low-life...he doesnt even have beef with suarez ! pathetic

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  17. Just as Suarez had 'right' not to shake hands with Evra, all of us who think it was wrong have the right to call his behaviour immature.

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  18. No. As much as I'd like to believe that Suarez rejected Evra's handshake, which btw I think is perfectly normal if you don't like someone you don't shake their hand simple

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  19. Im a liberal tvpe of person whether right or wrong but if someone accused me of something like racism and i had to serve a term of suspension even though i knew it was wrong why woyld i want to shake the hand of the accuser

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  20. That's exactly what I have been tryin to say to my Manc supporting friends. If somebody accuses you of something an drags your name through the mud why would you shake? Why do you have to? I bet this happens every week, it just so happens that the cameras where looking for it. Up and down the country once the hand shakes been done players dive, ask the ref to book counterparts, spit on each other, try to 'do' players (see Roy Keanes autobiography), say their going to sleep with each an opposition members sister (see Evras statement), they even Kung Fu kick spectators (see Cantona), and then the media and fans think Suarez is an animal for no handshake! Get a grip. This isn't 50's England, life isn't like that, it's a tradition that went around when men where men an kicked each other in the air and then went for a pint with each other at the end, like rugby. Get out the dark ages, if ya don't wanna shake someone's hand, don't. So what?????? Sensitive little souls.

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  21. nah his just not a saint to shake hands with someone who accused him of being racist and got him a 7 match ban. Its easy to be a white knight who thrives on morality online.

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  22. You don't need to be saint to understand what you need to do to put the matter to bed, which is needed by you, your club and its supporters, who are not used to, and don't like, being engulfed in scandals. Plus, Suarez's bad temper and wrong principles have been well documented throughout his career, starting in the Netherlands. This, I'm afraid, is just the beginning.

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  23. I think people are overreacting. This is a football game, not a business meeting where you have to shake hands with people you dislike. Also, if Suarez is truly innocent, I could could see why he would refuse to shake hands with Evra, as after all, he is the guy who hurt him a lot. However, I still think that a handshake would have been a lot better for the club's image. 

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  24. WWhy should he shake his hand? Evra has ruined Suarez' name. He's branded a racist by most people in the world now due to a culture "clash", which was really Evra twisting words. Think of what his wife and daughter will have to go through. Nobody considers Suarez's views. It's all about what makes the headlines.

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  25. Chuckyred - fairpoint - but if you had a PR job at LFC and had been aware of the criticism the club had endured over defending Suarez, for example with the T shirts, what would you have advised Suarez to do?

    We are all defending the man and his pride, no one is thinking about LFC - sureley with all the forthcoming debates, articles, opinions on this matter that are yet to come it would have been sensible to just shake hands?

    I have seen the interviews after the games, and United have taken us to the cleaners with this, neutrals are praising Evra and condemning Suarez - why was that needed? we could have done without this.

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  26. 100% agree.
     
    Suarez and Dalgish have been 100% out of order and in the case of Dalglish out of his depth since the whole saga started.  I can't and won't support the indefensible.

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  27. For the life of me I can't understand why, they were being placed in this Pointless handshake. Why did Rio not shake hands?

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  28. check out the video properly.evra keeps his hand up for the rest of the players and while saurez is the next person to shake him he suddenly lower his hand and after that why the hell evra pulling saurez hand..wat scene evra is creating over there?evra is disgrace to football not saurez....check out the video properly alex ferguson....YNWA saurez....

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  29. Seems like Evra was trying to give Suarez a limp/half-hearted handshake , i.e., a handshake that resembles 'I really don't want to shake your hand but have to'. 

    Suarez still in the wrong here with the handshake. Still, a selfish idiot.

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  30. 'scraping the barrel' fits here

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  31. This was a calculated act, staged with the intention of giving the media more "evidence" to use in their systematic dismantling of a world-class player. Makes me believe in Suarez's innocence all the more. It should (but won't) prompt the media to cease their witch hunt, step back and speculate as to what other "evidence" Evra faked. 
    @Suarez: we know things aren't as they seem and we know EXACTLY how things stand. YNWA

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  32. But it's all about defending standing up or what you believe in. I admire the fact that LFC hasn't been a dead fish and swam with the tide. I actually feel a little pride in that. For years people have gone with press opinion, and the press where too scared to call Evra a liar. Ok, maybe we have lost some future fans because of this, maybe us fans take a hammering on message boards and at matches, but that's it really isn't it? Or am I missing something? I'm thinking mountain and molehill.

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  33. ^
    FACT: Davemulligano is a knob

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  34. You lot are a bunch of sick psychos, like yur idol suarez. Slither up your an&s and stay there! Incl luiz.

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  35. Bad day for Liverpool, brought on by themselves. The best way to understand Suarez is to realise that he's putting himself first in this situation, ahead of Evra, Dalglish, Liverpool and football - he has some serious 'previous' in this. He obviously misled Dalglish before the match, an it will be interesting to see how Dalglish handles that, will he back Suarez or will he back Liverpool?

    Anyway Dalglish could have handled this whole thing much better (e.g. see how Ferguson handled Cantona's fan attack situation back in 1995, supporting the player but making sure that Cantona was punished). And now there's many Liverpool fans just losing all judgement and sense over this (e.g. this 'analysis' of the handshake). Wonder what Henry and co. are thinking about Dalglish's overall judgement right now, both over this and last summer's signings? (Carroll and Suarez may have been Camolli signings so can't really blame/praise Dalglish on those). And Liverpool could have bigger problems sooner than you think ... Dalglish's behaviour recently reminds me of the way he seemed to be rattled in the last 6 months or so he was at Newcastle - he seemed to be in a state of denial back then. Beating Cardiff in the next week or two will paper over the cracks for a while but its obvious now that Liverpool's reputation has taken a pounding in recent months and most of the reason for that is that Liverpool have mishandled this all the way through.

    As for Suarez, in a year or two when he's gone most Liverpool fans will regard him as they do Torres right now, possibly even worse.

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  36. Suarez doesn't give a toss about Liverpool, you're just in denial.

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  37. You've outclassed us all, TruePool. Your levels of persuasion and sophistication are on par with Socrates and royalty, respectively. Kudos on putting us in our place. You don't happen to teach Lessons in Banter, do you?

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  38. who gives a fuck if you got banned for 8 games and ou were innocent wouldl shake the black cunts hand because i certainly wouldnt come on suarez you legend u. united scum hate you because your the best striker in the league

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  39. hmmm, defending and standing up for what an individual believes in is not thinking about the club is it, it is an emotion from one person. In the case of Luis Suarez he may have thought along the lines that he has suffered because of Evra so did not want to shake his hand, I respect that but did he think about the effect it would have on the club? Another example, Hicks & Gillet approach Klinsman and offer him Rafa's job and also tell him to concentrate on the issues with management. Rafa wears a tracksuit instead of a suit and then provides a sarcastic post match interview giving the whole world a snapshot of the strained relationship with owners and manager, now that was him defending and standing up for what he believes in but was it right for the club?

    You may be thinking mountain out of a molehill, but I think Suarez has created problems for himself in England. He buckled under pressure from fans at Fulham after accusations of being a cheat - he served his 8 game ban but rival fans will brand him a racist and jeer him. Who is to say a black player may now refuse to shake Suarez's hand in an upcoming game? what effect will this have on his form which does need to improve in front of goal - he was already up against it before today but has made things worse, and the fact that he is a latin player and R. Madrid or Barca would take him any day of the week makes me think that is going to happen a little sooner than I expected. After all, they do have a nickname for Garay at Madrid and it is Negrito due to his dark tone

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  40. no one thinking about lfc?? this man wears our shirt and plays with passion!!
    he was doing fine untill he came accross the scum that is evra. did suarez set out that day for a ruck with evra, no. did evra set out for suarez, as good as. he saw suarez as a simple target.
    liverpool cant win, even if suarez had shaken hands.
    people just cant see wat a c#%t evra is

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  41. Biased drivelThe whole suarez evra matter was an avoidable series of regrettable incidents by ALL parties. These overpaid premedical’s could have transcended the matter but they messed it up yet again.Todays hand shake is now yet more fodder for the media, Note how evra after his initial ’play’ decides he wants something more! after luis moves on from the situation. He grabs suarez ! Why?Possibly as certain persons like evra bring a unpleasant attitude to the world, time and again we see this type of thing. When doctors,medics, emergency personnel have to treat/triage people who have suffered pain they ask them - how bad is the pain? With people like evra they always reply it’s the worst pain imaginable! Surprised at this the doctor/paramedic will ask on a scale of 1-10 what would you say this pain is? An aotomatic ten is the reply!Why is it predominately this way you may ask? Well perhaps its something to do with their beliefs. The fact is some people have the belief more they suffer in this life the better it will be for them in the next. Sorry but it true ask any medical worker or pain relief consultant.

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  42. That is your opinion of what happend at Anfield and you are entitled to it, bottom line is Suarez was charged and he served his ban for that - Ok lets move on - all that is needed is a handshake but no - pride comes first at the cost of

    1. United having a field day with good publicity from the Media - Fergie in his interview has voiced an opinion that Suarez is a disgrace and should be sold, and has been given the oppurtunity to portray Evra in a positive light.

    2. Dalglish gives a reactionary interview where he quite frankly loses control - refusing to acknowledge he was aware of the handshake incident.

    Now the above two points are going to be discussed alongside the incident over the next few days, and guaranteed Suarez and the club will be the bad guys in this situation - now for the sake of a handshake formality is it worth putting all that attention on us? I dont think so but you may disagree that he was justified in doing what he did.

    T shirt fiasco and now this - I think both incidents in hindsight will prove to be regretful for the club, but if you feel different then agree to disagree.

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  43. Football is suffering here

    This entire situation should have been choreographed by the PFA, Prem League and both clubs

    Both players should have been instructed that the handshake has to take place with the world's media watching

    Both managers are a joke, bitter old men with a silly old feud. Get over it

    I'm so tired that football has become the sideshow nowadays

    Only bright light is Spurs....... Amazing team, hope they stay together. They could challenge next year

    Sunderland too, O' Neill is class, we'd walk the league with him

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  44. The whole Suarez evra matter was an avoidable series of regrettable incidents by ALL parties. These overpaid fools could have transcended the matter but they messed it up yet again.Today’s hand shake is now yet more fodder for the media, Note how evra after his initial ’play’ decides he wants something more! after Luis moves on from the situation. He grabs suarez ! Why?Possibly as certain persons like evra bring a unpleasant attitude to the world, time and again we see this type of thing.Interestingly: When doctors, medics, emergency personnel have to treat/triage people who have suffered pain they ask them - how bad is the pain? With some people (perhaps like evra) they always reply it’s the worst pain imaginable! Surprised at this the doctor/paramedic will ask on a scale of 1-10 what would you say this pain is? An automatic ten is the reply!Why is it predominately this way you may ask? Well perhaps its something to do with their beliefs. The fact is some people have the belief the more they suffer in this life the better it will be for them in the next. Sorry but it true ask any medical worker or pain relief consultant.

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  45. Why the uproar about Suarez not shaking Evra’s black (politically correct) hand? The FA of England on behalf of all English people condoned racism by stopping ALL handshakes in the QPR v Chelsea pre-match build-up.

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  46. This post is fanning the flames of this whole situation, Jaimie, and whilst I do enjoy your informative and well written site, this one has me shaking my head. Not because of what was written by you, but by allowing the argument to continue between the rational adults who comment in a positive way and the ever increasing number of 'keyboard warriors' who spout the same trash every day.
    For those of you who advocate the "he was banned, therefore he is guilty" stance, I say go back to watching Jeremy Kyle. Haven't you ever heard of a miiscarriage of justice? Do you think every person sitting in prison on the British Isles is guilty of what they were charged with? Haven't you ever heard of being wrongfully accused?
    The fact of the matter is, Suarez used a word when referring to Evra which, in his home country is an everyday word which has no malice attached to it. Suarez, to his credit, told the FA panel that he did this and had nothing to hide. Evra, on the other hand, did NOT tell the FA what he said to Suarez even though he did omply that he may have retorted with an inflammatory comment of his own. When Suarez was asked what Evra said, he told them that he didn't hear. He could have speculated and said "I think he said this" but he didn't, he was honest as, in his own mind, he was innocent. Evra and the FA themselves, have admitted that Siarez is NOT a racist but the terminology which he used, in this country, is unacceptable, hence the 8 match ban. Why didn't Liverpool appeal? you'll have to ask the management at the club. Why has fergie questioned this, called Suarez a disgrace and kept the issue going? because that's what he does. Did he say Cantona was a disgrace for kicking the Crystal palace fan? NO, did he say Roy Keane was a disgrace when he ended Haaland's career? NO, did he say Giggs & Rooney were a disgrace for cheating on their wives with their brother's wife and an old hooker? did he hell.
    Why is he saying that Liverpool should sell Suarez? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16997451

    Because he knows that Liverpool have one of the best players in the league and, as shown last season at Anfield, he made his entire defence look poor. To his credit, he did say that Evra's celebration at the end was not needed but was this just to save face?
    I want to see this matter put to bed once and for all, I doubt shaking Evra's hand would have done that, in fact, it would have been an admission of guilt and defeat by Suarez to have done so.

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  47. whiter than white,holier than thou manchester united don't do racism.... 
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/schmeichel-faces-racist-abuse-charge-1279851.html

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  48. why is it so important to shake evras hand??????  he does not like the player. at the end of the game the game, most important for me, thats where evra gets his moral high ground really wrong, as for fergie, the sooner the whiskey nosed bastard is out of football the better 

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  49. slur alex your own team has worst morals than most keep it shut. king kenny will knock you off your fu***** perch

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  50. Ferguson and KK actually get on pretty well. 

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  51. pretty clear that Evra takes his hand away when Suarez comes along.. I noticed that at the time and hit rewind a couple of times and was amazed thinking I was the only one to notice that!

    Won't make a difference to the haters though.. evidence counts for little in this case it seems.

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  52. If I didn't know better Jaimie, I'd think you had put this article up with the sole intention of suggesting it was Evra. Yes, you've backtracked a little, but the title is provocative and the content is typically biased. 

    I'm a neutral here. I support Stoke City, so in all honesty, I hate both clubs. When I watched live on Sky, there was no doubt in my mind that Suarez had no intention of shaking Evra's hand. I've also watched the video embedded and feel the same. For me, the reaction of the two players answers any questions. Evra reacted quite emotionally to the snub, grabbing Suarez's arm. Suarez, was very cold and ignored Evra, even while he was being grabbed. If Suarez was the angel who wanted to shake Evra's hand, there is no doubt he would have done so when Evra grabbed the arm.

    Evra isn't an angel either. I thought the dancing round the pitch at the end was totally unnecessary. The first 30 seconds I thought, yes, passion, but having watched 5 minutes of the monotonous crap, I felt it was just a wind up plot.

    What little respect I had for Liverpool disappeared after this incident. You destroyed your reputation. You destroyed it. As a club, you defended racism. As fans, you've promoted it. Too many Liverpool fans have suggested Evra was in the wrong for making a complaint.

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  53. thats bull shit he half heartedly raises his hand slightly he wanted it to seem like suarez didn want to by grabbing his arm then

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  54. I do not think there is a need to go any farther and start talking about the Roy Keans, It is very clear Evra wanted  Suarez to look like a fool begging a handshake from him Errrrrr! I am a diehard Liverpool supporter but if Suarez can leave England and try his luck somewhere,I will be happy.There is no use to force yourself into a world that seems to good for you.If you want to know where this issue is heading,then put yourself in Suarez's shoes,no matter what the David Camerons may say,the Fergies, the so called governing bodies,this would go down to being decided by Suarez and Evra themselves without even trying to prove their power as people like the British Authorities may do.Look clearly and objectively to this video and tell me!! Errrrrrr! Suarez is a slave!I would prefer to wish EL Pistolero the best of luck when he leaves for a Real Madrid or B Munich because this is too big for him.I thought all this noise made about Suarez might have been correct but this video showed me that evidence is key especially when someone's blood has to clear the guilt.Suarez might have said "negro" but bringing an apology does not have to totcher him like its the case in this video,it has to be in good spirits by both parties.This does not need politics at all,you cannot debate about something that is clear,Evra changed tone when Suarez approached.They are too good at understanding Evra's emotions but how about that of Suarez.It is these kind of a thing that would make me quit supporting English football in general because,"it is not what it sounds to be"...believe me,I do not support devil.

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  55. have to agree with you jaimie, as much as i think we would all like to point the finger at evra and claim that it was him doing the refusing i think its a pretty safe bet that it was suarez doing the refusing, this is outlined by the fact that evra tried to grab suarez's arm and suarez pulled his arm away......sorry guys but thats the way it was. However as i said he my post on your other blog regarding this matter i certinaly dont blame suarez for making this decision.YNWA

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  56. Skezza - READ THE REPORT. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. (*Shakes head in bewilderment)

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  57. So many things wrong with this post, that I don't know where to start but can be summed up with 'I am biased as they come, when it comes to all things related to my club'. Pathetic.

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  58. I did. That is why I replied. You see? Are you ok processing that darling? I realise your remedial understanding of the English language probably hinders your ability to process exactly what I have said so I'll clarify. The article has a provocative title 
    (in my opinion) and is biased in a way that suggests it was Evra's fault. I really can't be bothered to break it down any further for you. Remember, as your teacher says at school "try your best, you thick twát and failing that, you can always burgle peoples houses". 

    Lastly, don't shake your head in bewilderment (big word for a retard like yourself), you might get lost on the way to Tech & Design.

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  59. He was diving, rolling round and whining long before the Evra incident.....as well as having a mediocre goalscoring record for us, yet Carroll gets shot to pieces. 'doing fine'? psssh

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  60. KK sounds more intoxicated than Fergie, these days!

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  61. we haven't defended racism we have defended our player accused (falsely) of racism and who comes from a mixed race family!! Did you even know that before you lose your last little respect for Liverpool?? Geez

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  62. for one second you offer to break it down and then contradict yourself immediately by not being bothered... now who sounds like the English FA full of contradictions HA!

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  63. Actually, it all was well planned by Fergee, Everyone Know him how digraceful he is toward Liverpool. Therefore, No need of paying attention to these type of united actions.

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  64. And that is why he gave his all along with Bellamy to do what was important on the day and try to get a result. Even Gerrard was pathetic yeterday - the captain !!!!

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  65. they should not have shaken hands its as simple as that, if you dont like someone you dont shake their hands. I would rather have someone who was true to their beliefs than hiding their true feelings and doing it for the cameras. Ferguson labeled surez a disgrace ,however I recall a whisky nosed ferguson backing cantona for attacking a fan, he stood by the player. KK stood by surez and the fact that surez still holds feelings of resentment may be a deciding factor in the fact that he still believes he is innocent. KK has been put in an awkward position, but it was evra who seen red, the first tackle and going to the dressing room at half time. to just blame surez is bad. But to be fair, i love the factthat that was a derby game that was full of everything. I would rather have a game like this than anything else.

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  66. LFC stands for YNWA. That is why this club is special. We are not letting Suarez walk alone. As we have moved to the 21st century we have surely forgotten morals of passion and togetherness and are thinking about the image of the club in this materialistic world. I am glad that Liverpool is acting the way it is and that is purely under Dalglish. This is why I and millions support this club and will continue to do so even after this, because we won't let the club walk alone. Suppose someone close to you is convicted of something, would you leave him if the court found him guilty and you do not? Would you want him to serve his imprisonment ?

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  67. Please expain. "Just because I say it is" is not a valid point in a debate. I'm not biased either, just sticking up for the club I have supported al my life and not cowing down to Fergie's rants, like just about everyone else in English football does.
    Tell me what was wrong with my post and I'll explain my reasons for writing it - I'll even use crayons if it helps you understand it better.

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  68. Like comebackRafa said, Evra was expecting Suarez to stand there till he got the handshake. If Evra had left his hand up for the customary shake, Suarez should and would have shaken it. Evra was subsequently upset at Suarez's refusal to beg for the handshake.

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  69. If suarez relly wanted to shake his hand, he would has somehow waited, like he did with Rio.. Doing that, would have made Evra looked like a mug. Come on guys, admit it, Suarez refuse to shake hands, its was never the other way around. 

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  70. Did Fergie label Cantona a "Disgrace"? What Cantona did was live on national television, there was no escape from it. This current fiasco is built on the word of one man against another. Evra has never revealed what he said to Suarez, or an unabridged version.
    I'm not defending Suarez because I have blind faith in all things LFC. I'm defending him as, ever since he first stepped out onto English grass wearing the red shirt, he's been the victim of unscrupulous opposition players intent on antagonising him and forcing his passion for the game to boil over. We all knew about his handball & the biting incident, we all knew he was a bit of a hot headed character who could cross the line. We, as LFC fans, see how the lad's a genius with a football at his feet whilst others are only seeing a chance to gain an unfair advantage by pushing his buttons until he does something stupid. He's a NORMAL HUMAN BEING for crying out loud, he isn't perfect. Everyone of us here has a threshold of tolerance. Suarez threshold seems to be getting tested every time he steps onto a field.

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  71. For a second there, at the beginning, you sounded like an educated and articulate person...then you showed your true colours - a bit like your team.

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  72. right, hypothetically if you where surez and you believed you have been hardly done by, you still believe you are innocent of racial abuse, you still belive you should not have got an 8 match ban. now knowing this, would you shake the hand of a person who has labelled you a racist, would you shake the hand of a person who has brought you into disripute infront of the world. If that was me and i believed i was innocent then there is no chnce on gods green earth i would shake the hand of him, even if it is to so called put the matter to bed.

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  73. on that same note, lets all shake hands with kelvin mckenzie, would you to put the matter to bed, he said sorry?? there is some people you would not shake hands to because you just dont like them. no matter if kelvin mckenzie got on his knees and said sorry and asked for a hand shake there is no chance!!

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  74. As a liverpool fan would you shake kelvin mckenzies hand even though he has said sorry for his scum article? in my mind there are some people who go beyond the threshold and you would never shake their hand, its as simple as that!!!!

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  75. Doesn't really matter who shook who's hand , they fucking out played us ,we set out not to lose WE ARE LIVERPOOL , that's not what we should do , you always said Kenny , you will always do what's best for the club put the club before yourself . I think it's time to walk away , you give it a go , no one can take away the fact , you are our greatest ever player ( well you and Stevie in my opinion ) but your not going to win us the league , despite what you say we are no closer than we have been in years . Like everyone I wish it was you who could take us forward , but it does'nt look like it

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  76. If you look close enough, Evra withdraws his hand, giving the impression to Suarez that he has no intention of shaking hands, then the clever trickster feigns anger, this was a set up pure and simple, designed to make most ignorant observers (such as yourself ) believe that Suarez is again guilty of a crime he did commit.
    You were duped, plain and simple by a man that has been doing this all his footballing career, both with France as ringleader of the mass walkout and resulting in Raymond Domenech being fired, to the Chelsea accusations, there are plenty more such incidents on his rap sheet.
    He has used Manchester United's influence to garner support for his deceit, he knows exactly how to play mind games, having a boss equally as good a it is no coincidence, people are being played by two masters, they both act quietly and reserved, both Evra and Ferguson do not need to say much at all, they know very well that the media will be making the accusations, while they sit back and smile. Kenny Daglish and Liverpool know this, such is Manchester United's influence in modern football and the press, they are powerless to stop the juggernaut of the English media, Ferguson and Evra have been around long enough to be canny and know the correct buttons to push.
    Ferguson has done this time and again, making Kevin Keegan angry, upsetting Arsene Wenger, he has too much power in the English game, Evra is his captain simply because he thinks like him, both are manipulative.
    He knows very well how to play people like you, and he does it with consummate ease, so how about all you media hacks and FIFA start looking beyond Luis Suarez and begin investigating the real criminal here....PATRICE EVRA, career liar, manipulator and coward.

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  77. Evra was the one that altered his rythm with which he was shaking hands with the LFC players b4 Suarez. He withdrew his hand in anticipation of Suarez waiting and offering his hand 1st. Suarez continued ,without changing direction under the presumption that Evra did not acknowledge him .....  This is clearly a misunderstanding that has blown up for no good reason. Lets move on ..............

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  78. next you might see him do a flying side kick into a crowd full of supporters, or blatantly kick another player from behind, or maybe a nice elbow to the back of another players head... hmmm sounds all to familiar i think...

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  79. Forget the handshake and all the other media stuff . We are 19 points behind Man Utd after 25 games , 14 points behind spurs who pipped us for Europa place cos they beat us in our last home game last season ( before we added Adam , Henderson , Downing , Enrique , Bellamy ) 4 points behind Arsenal and Chelsea who have been beaten 8 and 6 times , and 3 points behind Newcastle , not good enough is it ? Sadly Kenny is not the one . Our greatest ever player ( along with Stevie in my opinion ) is not gonna win us the league . How great would that've been ? It's not gonna happen tho is it . Kenny always said he will always put the club first and he always has to his credit , but I think the dream is over , it's time to go , if his name wasn't Kenny Dalglish he would be gone . Such a shame cos we all thought it was ours and Kenny's destiny , but it isn't .

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  80. hanging evra sounds like a great solution... what better way to get a solution, simply get rid of the problem, evra...

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  81. Where was fergies stance on cantona doing a flying side kick into the crowd, or roy keane breaking someones leg, rooney with his elbow to the back of someones head or blatantly kicking someone from behind.. he has no reason to say what he said, except to flame the fire even more...  Wow, you really think the Tshirt fiasco was bad hey, is it really as bad as having the  Red Issue Magazine selling KKK tshirts and masks... And you really think Man U is all class? In my opinion, if someone accused me of being a racist, I think I have every right not to shake their hand...  

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  82. Well said Bro! Better than my "philosophically persuasive" argument above. Common denominator to all our problems.......Dalglish!!

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  83. Oh...Grow one, will you??? Demented P%i%k!!

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  84. Biased is natural & expected............BUT DELUDED & DELUSIONAL however!! They don't come any better than our management & fans! Absolutely pathetic.

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  85. Lol! Well said. Like a deluded pied piper leading his even more deluded supporters down river with him & his team.

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  86. Absolutely 100% FACT - Why should Suarez shake the hand of a LIAR !!  The LIar who deliberately changed his story when he was clearly PROVEN to have lied to the Media about what Suarez has said to him - just to make sure he worked with the FA to find Suarez guilty - despite he himself ADMITTING that he RACIALLY and ETHNICALLY ABUSED Suarez - and got off scott free for doing so!!
    Why iN Gods name would anyone shake hands with such a lying pr$$K??
    The whole LFC team should have refused to shake his hand to make it clear to the world what they think of him .. 
    Get real people - who in their right minds would shake the hand of someone who has destroyed your reputation and made you pay a hefty fine???
    Those people that are saying Suarez was wrong not to shake his hand have clearly no idea what this has meant to Luis and the damage it has caused him .. No Idea!!

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  87. Agree 100%. Spurs pulled out of signing suarez becoz  of his Psychopathic tendencies...(Chewing opposing players ear, ripping anothers cheeck off with his teeth & many many other indescretions). Disgusting the Dalglish & supporters cannot see thru this lunatic who will be the CAUSE of LFC going down.....loss of revenue from advertisers etc. Wish the fans use their brains for once & take a stand for RIGHT!!

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  88. sure thing Mikey i'll grow one while you get your eyes checked.. 

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  89. Hayspa & Mark............thing is, the truth does feel like a kick in the gut! Take it & learn from it.

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  90. Stick to the topic.....don't go off on a rabbit trail. Ever heard of a red herring?

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  91. pretty clear who is deluded and delusional here my friend... having a bad day r we? or that time of the month..

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  92. You're scraping the barrel a bit don't you think? If he was falsely accused why was the charge not appealed? I think you are like every football fan, loyal to your team and therefore players. The problem is you need to know when a line is crossed and Liverpool fans just don't seem to see it. Regardless of what happened at OT, yesterday proved how disrespectful Suarez can be and Liverpool fans still have the guile to defend him, protect him and somehow twist it to suggest it's some conspiracy by the media. It's like the Pakistani Cricket Authority blaming that betting scandal on some Indian conspiracy.
    At the end of the day, it's now time to move on. I don't like Suarez and I never will, but he's served his punishment, he's been hammered enough in the media and it's time to put it behind us and just to move on. The problem is my friend, the more Liverpool fans (and Kenny) drag it up like some conspiracy, the more he will be attacked in various media outlets. 

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  93. I guess you didn't get the irony of the post. I offer to break it down, then break it down to a very short simplistic sentence because there isn't anything else to add. Doesn't matter mate good effort.

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  94. Suarez had Psychopathic tendencies in Dutch League (Chewing off a players ear & ripping anothers cheeks) .......Hence Spurs steered clear him. Thank God!

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  95. So Stoke City aren't articulate and educated? Interesting point. I didn't realise it was a requirement of being a good football team. More to the point, I didn't realise it was a requirement of being a good football player. In reality, a lot of players are smarter than you think, they just aren't academic. Some players are smart AND academic, but that's irrelevant. Next time I drive past the training ground, I'll ask them all to do some brain training see what their scores are. I suppose they won't score any lower than Joe Cole, he's a retard.

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  96. Wow. Simply wow. Of all the ridiculous comments, yours takes the retard cake. Delusion personified. All planned by Fergie? Yesterday only or the whole anti-Suarez media hype? Because if it was 'all' planned by Fergie, then Suarez was in on the original master plan you thicko. Good to see Suarez making deals with Fergie aye? Have you ever listened to yourself? Like, seriously, read your posts before you blindly spout off self opinionated bile. My word.

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  97. Ferguson has a short memory, Niall Quinn tried to shake Roy Keane's hand and Ferguson jumped from the bench and told him to F*** off. Evra was palying games yesterday and Suarez did the right thing. I wouldnt have shook his hand either.

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  98. "Evra's hand was slightly lowered". 

    I think the word you're looking for is "withdrawn".

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  99. After a long and hard review process, Fergie decides to transfer list Suarez out of the Premier league...Classy first by an opposition manage to affect the competition by looking to pressure another club to weaken its playing staff and now for that Aguerro who seems to cause united a few problems by scoring for City

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  100. so many reasons why they decided against the appeal. Foremost to avoid Liverpool being viewed as a racist club which has worked and it hasn't.

    anyway it is definitely time to move on and you know with hind sight I'm thinking maybe Evra withdrew his hand in order to make eye contact and convey some kind of sincerity but Suarez is younger and less mature and had other ideas. He definitely went in for the shake though..

    I don't believe in any conspiracy theory just a major stuff up by the FA by acting without sufficient evidence.

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  101. well maybe i'll give you that one but still don't know where you get off calling that other dude a retard.. 

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  102. We then have a complete difference in opinion of the morals and values this club represents, I guess myself, Alan Hansen who is a part of the history of the club do not feel the way you do, his words "He has let the CLUB down"

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  103. You are making reference to Man Utd's past which is valid, but that is them and how they want to conduct themselves is up to them which is why they are reviled by many, I am talking about LFC - we could have avoided what happend yesterday - I am not saying the word of Alan Hansen should be taken as gospel but he is a pundit and ex player I respect and he shares the same opinion that Suarez let the club down.

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  104. From a City fan (****ing hate United as much as you do)....

    I'm all for supporting your team, maybe even being a little biased.

    BUT YOU SCOUSERS WHO ARE STILL DEFENDING A RACIST (and even more so the ones who are trying to say it was evra who refused to shake suarez's hand) NEED TO TAKE OFF THE ROSE TINTED SPECS.

    SOME THINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT.

    ps: "we're not racist, we only hate mancs"....?!?

    Anyone who feels the need to put 'we're not racist' in a song almost certainly is just that.

    Primative, primative liverpool.  Shame on you.

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  105.  You're name says it all.

    Presumably it was made AFTER one of your players racially abused him.

    We're you also at anfield the other week - booing a victim of racist abuse?

    I know there's some idiots in the world, but it didn't think there was so many in one city. It's like they think the world hasn't seen the whole thing and might believe their (ridiculous) version of events.

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  106. I genuinely feel sorry for you.

    Genuinely.

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  107. Look, as I said before, I'm neutral, I actually didn't care about the match, I wanted to see the handshake or at least that reaction. For me, Suarez doesn't go in for the handshake. Even your good friend AH on match of the day, suggests Suarez refuses.

    It's done now.

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  108.  Please leave England and move to parts of America where racism is still acceptable.

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  109. ok, I'll take that back. I use it a bit flippantly at times, so I apologise.

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  110.  Can I just say it's nice to (finally hear) a Liverpool fan speak some sense.

    Not hating on Evra and not hating on Suarez... just telling it like it is.

    Well done that man.

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  111. Evra's scum.. Suarez YNWA, we're all behind you.. Premier League is global and 90% of the world uses 'negro' frequently to call a black.. Dun care abt the 10% scums.. Footballers are here to entertain us not to preach moral values.. All of Asia, America and even Africa loves Suarez and will stand by him and LFC..

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  112. Evras celebration after the game shows exactly the kind of person he is. Suarez is no saint either. what gets me is how so much media coverage can be given to this.

    So they don't like each other, big deal. there is all kinds of atrocities going on in the world, and people think a spat between two over paid child like morons is important, get real, it does not matter who was in the right or who was in the wrong except for those morons who feel one up man ship is the main and only priority.

    Its sad when the side show becomes more important than the game. 

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  113. Was the Quinn-Keane incident about racism?

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  114. From another City fan.The FA did not state that Suarez was a racist - he was found guilty of racist abuse.

    Re handshake.If you watch carefully, you will see that Evra does not move his hand towards suarez's.Compare that to all the other handshakes - in every case the utd players' hand moves towards the offered hand.The evidence against Suarez, or Evra, is not conclusive.

    If it is such an offence not to shake someones hand, then why are you NOT disgusted (along with  bacon face, Shearer, Hansen, all at Sky and ALL news channels) with Ferdinand for more obviously refusing to shake Suarez's hand.It would appear that we are all dancing to the tune played so manipulatively by the MUFC piper and their merry band of the media. Think for yourself - Beware the Emperor's clothes!

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  115. good lord, all of this twisting and turning by some liverpool fans to paint evra as a devious little manipulator who has singlehandedly engineered this torrent of public abuse for an innocent Suarez is starting to get funny. 

    Has anyone stopped to ask why Patrice Evra decided to pick on luis suarez? This is evra's sixth season at man utd. Over that period of time when liverpool were competing directly with man utd for european trophies, and even for the league, they had some players who were much better than suarez. Evra didn't make any allegations about them. 

    I think a more relevant concern is why are liverpool treating suarez as though he is bigger than the club. That's not supposed to be the Liverpool way. This scandal is going on and on and on. What the outside world sees is that Suarez was convicted, and Liverpool refuse to accept that. Kenny Dalglish's public handling of this case may have pleased a lot of liverpool fans, but it has seriously damaged his reputation throughout the rest of football. He looks like a crazy old man, floundering hopelessly out of his depth in the modern world of football. 

    Every step of the way the whole thing has been a public relations disaster, whether or not you believe that suarez is innocent or guilty. Every time this story gets mentioned, it reminds everyone of what suarez was found guilty of doing, and how badly kenny dalglish has handled this situation. 

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, That handshake represented the first opportunity to put the story behind liverpool, and for the club to begin to move on, and suarez simply didn't take it. He could have hated evra with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but his job as a liverpool player was to shake evra's hand, and make sure that he was seen to really make the effort. 

    Instead of starting to put this story behind them, this has just given it another burst of fuel to keep burning and burning. Suarez was simply not acting in the best interests of liverpool football club, and it is important that liverpool fans recognize this. Otherwise it's just going to keep getting worse. 

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  116. Likeliest scenario, at least to me, is that Suarez saw Evra's hand lowering and thought he was refusing, didn't want to make a big deal over it so went past.  That would fit with Kenny's interview, and his twitter reaction.  Could have just been a misunderstanding.

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  117. why ...you dont like the truth..muppet

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  118. Then dont ...just piss off and support another club.

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  119. ATT ALL BINDIPPERS:
    SIR ALEX HAS SPOKEN-----suarez IS AS GOOD AS GONE FROM EPL. MAYBE TO RUSSIA - WILL FIT IN WELL WITH RETARDS & PSYCHOS LIKE HIM!!

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  120. What ALEX wants, HE gets!!! Racist fa%&%t OUT!

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  121. lick my circumcision, will you!

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  122. Remove your blinkers ....what a lot of you have said makes you just as bad as that idiot.  Its clear to see, its been played enough times that the racist passed Evra without shaking.  From being banned for biting an opponent, to cheating in most matches, petulance and racism, how this thing can be allowed to continue to bring the name of English football down is a disgrace.  Kenny is a disgrace for backing the racist and has brought Liverpool's name down this year....aswell as spending a load of money and completely under achieving.  Think the board may be regretting that appointment now.  Anyway, I digress, even a large section of Liverpool fans are disgusted as hie behavior, so cummon, lets be a bit more realistic and think before you post such ridiculous comments.

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  123. Has for the chants theres no more sick than chanting about 96 deaths is there?

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  124. Spursfantalkingsense12:59 pm, February 12, 2012

    Spurs Fan
    I'm sorry but some of you Liverpool fans are so blinkered it is unbelievable. Suarez is an absolute disgrace. He was a disgrace even before the Evra saga. He is one of those players that exaggerates every dive, waves imaginary cards etc etc horrible horrible horrible. You're only defending him because he is a good footballer. And I'm mean just good as he is not clinical enough in front of goal. If he was no good you'd be slaughtering him. As for Dalglish, well, he continues to embarrass himself further and further. I have no respect for Suarez and my respect for Dalglish is fastly evaporating. Your club Liverpool, steeped in glorious history, needs to grow some balls and put a stop to this nonsense. Your club does not need players like Suarez and Dalglish's attempt to defend his player at all costs is shameful.

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  125. it's very simple. Suarez's explanation was nonsense. It is indeed common for speakers of rioplatanese spanish (uruguay and spain) to refer to each other as "negro". However it is only friendly if you are being friendly. If you are having a row with a black person, and you use that word, it is racially offensive. That is the evidence of the independent spanish language experts hired by the FA, and any south american spanish speaker I've heard talking about this.  

    This is the huge problem with suarez's testimony, and yet virtually no liverpool fans accept this. When he says that Negro is a term of friendship in south american spanish he is only telling part of the truth. What he is leaving out is that it is also racially offensive if you say it in the right context.

    The FA looked at the video evidence, and concluded that suarez and evra were having a row, so saying negro, as suarez admitted doing, was offensive, and would have been offensive in uruguay. He would have been found guilty and banned for at least four games on his own word alone. That is before you get to suarez's radically different accounts of what happened, and when, and why. 

    Telling only part of the truth about the meaning of the word negro, and making that the cornerstone of his defence, meant that the FA simply couldn't believe anything he said.

    what happened at the tribunal was that evra made an allegation. Suarez's version was so weak that he basically didn't properly deny anything. The FA had no real reason to doubt Evra, and suarez was found guilty of the lot. 

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  126. Absolutely correct! Can't imagine if it was Carroll with Woy defending him..LFC fans would have tarred & feathered them (Not for the racism aspect but to nuke them once & for all)!

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  127. Well put, Sir. Try convincing our totally warped bunch who think we've reached Canaan!

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  128. As a Tottenham fan, I am glad we passed on Suarez....remember, we were in for him before Liverpool. At the time, his temperament was being questioned. Imagine the negative publicity towards the club. I'm from South Africa & I can confirm that the press & radio are having a field day with Liverpool FC! Even Diehard supporters (who are challenged melamine-wise) NOT pleased with Dalglish & owners.

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  129. Luis Suarez FactfilePublished: Sun Feb 12 2012, 1.04PMComments 
    Tweet thisMore 1987: Born January 24 in Salto, Uruguay.2005: Makes professional debut with Montevideo club Nacional, scoring 12 goals in 29 games in his one and only season in South America.2006: Signs for Dutch side FC Groningen and fires 10 goals in 29 appearances for the club.2007: February 8 - Makes debut for Uruguay against Colombia and is sent off in the 85th minute.August - Joins Ajax in a deal reportedly worth 7.5million euros.2008: Ends debut season in Amsterdam with 17 goals in 33 Eredivisie games.2009: May - Suarez nets 22 goals in 31 league appearances for Ajax.November - Part of the Uruguay side which books the final place at the 2010 World Cup in South Africa with a 2-1 aggregate win over Costa Rica.2010: May - Enjoys his most prolific season in Holland yet, with 35 goals in 33 Eredivisie matches.June - Scores three goals to help Uruguay reach the quarter-finals but is then sent off for a goal-line handball against Ghana in the last eight. Ghana miss the resultant penalty before Uruguay go on to triumph in a shoot-out. Without Suarez in the line-up, Uruguay lose to Holland in the semi-finals.November - Banned for seven matches after being found guilty of biting PSV Eindhoven's Otman Bakkal.2011: January 28 - Liverpool agree a deal worth up to £22.8million with Ajax for Suarez.February 2 - Scores on his Liverpool debut in a 2-0 victory over Stoke at Anfield.October 15 - Manchester United defender Patrice Evra makes an allegation that Suarez racially abused him during the 1-1 draw between Liverpool and United.November 17 - Suarez is charged by the Football Association with racially abusing Evra following a month-long investigation.December 7 - Charged with improper conduct following a gesture to fans as he left the pitch following the 1-0 defeat at Fulham.December 20 - The FA ban Suarez for eight matches and fine him £40,000 for the Evra incident. Liverpool issue a strongly-worded statement in defence of the player.December 28 - Suarez banned for one match and fined £20,000 after admitting improper conduct charge relating to his gesture towards Fulham fans.January 3 - Liverpool decide not to appeal against Suarez's eight-match ban.February 6 - Returns to the Liverpool side as a substitute in a goalless draw with Tottenham.February 11 - On his return to the first XI, appears to refuse to shake Evra's hand before going on to score in Liverpool's 2-1 loss to Manchester United. Afterwards, Sir Alex Ferguson says he is "a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club", adding: "I would get rid of him if I were them."

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  130. how stupid do most of you look now. Suarez accepts full responsibility. Most of you are moronic cunts who think this is about Liverpool v Man Utd. It is bigger than that! 

    I won't expect anyone on here to apologise

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  131. suarez admitting using that term. He's yet to apologise to evra for using said term...you're a (unt for thinking suarez seems to be innocent here. Calling some1 that word in a heated argument and then trying to defend it as "friendly and endearing" is the actions of a lowlife

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  132. then piss off chow and stop reading. great article,spot on. and jamie(kenny    .,suarez basher)kanwar, why not run a poll to see how many fans agree with the articles you put on here.never once heard you take our side(lfc side)

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  133. we;re talking about this incident, not the past. It's almost as if you're trying to justify this incident with prior incidents, are you that thick that you can't separate the 2?

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  134. clearly.... lol what's suarez said?

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  135. So Suarez has now admitted it was his fault. How about deleting this ridiculous article.

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  136. so it turns out that luis suarez has apologized for not shaking patrice evra's hand. Evra didn't take it away, It was all down to suarez. 

    Are all the people who used this to throw more abuse at evra going to apologize I wonder?

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  137. Suarez just apologized for not shaking Evra's hand. Pretty much makes you look like a deluded  fool, eh Kanwar ?? 
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/12/luis-suarez-issues-apology-patrice-evra?newsfeed=true 

    Please feel free to defend him. I ain't done laughing.

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  138. And that is it in a nutshell. The man has a suspect personality and was caught out. End of story.

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  139. Rear Gunners Are Deaf & Dumb !2:51 pm, February 12, 2012

    What a load of bollocks.. He clearly avoided shaking hands with Evra by rushing past him. Remember this is a man who has been accused & then found guilty of racially abusing. Remove the blinkers Suarez was the racist abuser and has just kept the story going. Daglish should have a word as he's looking like a tit. We cannot defend this although maybe at next home match we should unveil big banner to King Kenny Kop .. KKK !!!

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  140. Some of you Liverpool fans are so blickered that it is beyond funny. Always trying to look that small insignificant something that would put your player in the right light, when it's so amazingly clear who was at fault... 
    So now Suarez has admited, end of this stupid notion it was Evra that was the one who withdrew.

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  141. And now?? With suarez apologising.......Care to issue one yourself, for being a twat!

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  142. boooo hooooo.  Were you crying hen you typed that?  That post seemed quite wet with emotion. 

    Funny how 'piss off and support another club' lives in the same postal area as 'go back to where you came from' isn't it? I assume that both phrases are common place in your dismissive little life.

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  143. Sir Alex has spoken........Suarez out of EPL. Good riddance! Should be exterminated like the roach he is

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  144. "The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do
    so.

    "He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra.
    He has not only let himself down but also Kenny Dalglish, his team-mates and the
    club"

    Go and read the official statements we have released and try and comeback with a straightface and argue the nonsense you did yesterday regarding the conspiracy of how Evra refused or planned it and Suarez is not at fault.

    Opinions like this make me ashamed of our fanbase.

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  145. Not sure if you follow Liverpool or not, but rest assured we are not all delusional and non objective when it comes to our opinions.

    The club and Suarez have admitted that HE was wrong to purposley snub Evra so the posters on here trying to acquit him of wrog doing yesterday do not represent the true values of LFC and of the genuine fanbase.

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  146. not too worry mate, I have concluded that when someone has very little to support an argument or counter anothers the request to support another club is automatically triggered. Poor Jaimie gets accused of not being a Liverpool fan all the time and sadly anyone who raises a topical debate regarding scrutiny of the team or club gets accused of the same thing, very predicatable.

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  147. Clocked this the second it happened, Suarez' hand stayed on the exact same path down the line, gets to Evra, Evra drops his hand then grabs Suarez. Who chased who at half time? Who instigated the French 'strike' at the last World Cup? Don't get me wrong, Suarez has not helped himself on several occasions, but I do not believe he is anything like Evra, who in my eyes is just trouble, plain and simple, constant smirk on his face, horrible individual

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  148. Ian Ayre is not supporting your argument, and clearly Suarez is not either, you are indicating this was down to Evra, Suarez has stated HE, yes HE was wrong for snubbing Evra.

    Our own fans have become a little embarassing of late.

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  149. Have you actually watched the interview from Dalglish? Where does he lose control? Jaimie and yourself seem hell bent on condemning KK for anything. Watch the interview. Geoff Shreeves is antagonistic from the start. When he asks KK about the handshake KK said he didn't see it but that was contrary to hat he was told. When Shreeves then says he can confirm Suarez refused the handshake KK said then he will speak to Luis. Shreeves then said that Suarez was responsible for everything negative that went on which is when KK said he was bang out f order for saying that...and he was.

    Let's look at things objectively. Even Jaimie is now suggesting there is a possibility that it was Evra who refused to shake hands given he's now being confronted by video evidence. So maybe KK's words that it was contrary to what he was told would refer to the fact that he was told it was Evra who refused the handshake?!

    Suarez is certainly guilty of causing the half time fracas. It was a ridiculous thing to kick the ball at the dugout and was something a tougher ref would have sent him off for.

    However...to say Suarez was then guilty for making Evra jump around like a madman at the end would be a stretch...so he can't be responsible for every negative thing can he?

    Given Jaimie and your complete contempt for KK I can't see how you guys can continue to support Liverpool. I for one would be happy to see the back of supporters like you guys who only seem satisfied when focusing on negatives. Hardly supportive of the club if you ask me.

    Oh...and Suarez was stupid in what he said to start this whole thing off but I don't think he is a racist. He made a racist remark...he served his time...so why can't United move on as well? It seems any chance they have in bringing it up they do.

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  150. Racist? Is he really? Let's remember it was his word against Evra's in the initial inquiry. If Suarez had said 'I said nothing', there would be no grounds to ban him, one player, Evra (very dodgy past) against Suarez (also dodgy history). As it happens, Suarez was totally honest and told the inquiry he used the word 'Negrito'. Did not have to say that, could have made something up, but was honest because in South America, that term is not thought of in the same way as it is here. If he had known it was very offensive, he would have covered that up with the inquiry, so in his eyes and those of people in South America, he is not racist at all, his own Grandad is black, so how can he be, he is part black himself for crying out loud. People in this whole scenario have been very, very blinkered and I don't for one second think that Dalglish (who knew what Barnes was exposed to and who did what he did for the 96 lost in Hillsborough, would stand up for someone he knew to be in the wrong, he is far, far better than that). Evra is a nasty piece of work and Suarez needs to get clued up on what is acceptable and what it means to play for Liverpool. They have both been wrong in this sorry episode.

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  151. Why should I delete it? Why don't you read the entire post first? I make it clear that I think that Suarez was guilty - I just opened up the question for debate. I think that is obvious. Furthermore, I posted an article prior to this one condemning Suarez's actions.

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  152. One of the greatest players to ever pull on a Liverpool shirt was John Barnes & the abuse he got was a disgrace back in the 80's & 90's, how  any Liverpool fan or manager can defend what happened yesterday at Old Trafford is beyond belief.

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  153. Agree on everything you have stated, and the overall point that Suarez has not acted in the best interests of the club has been confirmed today by the club and himself. Could have all been avoided yesterday.

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  154. What a stupid comment to make.

    Evra played Suarez (again). It's clear that he's quite bright, brighter than Suarez anyway. Suarez should've sucked it up and waited for Evra to raise his hand.

    Perfectly fine for Suarez not to look at Evra when shaking hands.

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  155. :-|

    Interested to hear why you think Evra lowered his hand as Suarez approached.

    Btw i think Suarez should've made every effort to shake hands - not disputing that.

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  156. The stupidity continues - both for accuracy of content and sentiment.

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  157. What is wrong with people - sigh

    LFC and Suarez have released a statement indicating Suarez snubbed Evra and that he misled the club into thinking he would shake Evra's hand - what do you not understand about that?

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  158. I dont really care if Evra lowered his hand - but if you want an opinion I think the pair of them would both have been wondering what the other would do, no one wants to raise their arm for a high 5 that will epically fail unless you know the other person will return the gesture, for all we know Evra may have refused Suarez for all we know but the facts are that Ian Ayre, Suarez, and Kenny have confirmed  Suarez had told the club he would shake Evra's hand and then decided not to (making the club and Kenny look silly) - I just dont get how Evra has anything to do with that decision.

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  159. john barnes on radio 5 bbc today states:

    what he saw in saturdays game was 2 players allowing thier egos to get in the way.

    I wish to say:

    no one with balanced sence will say these players acted well yesterday.
    both where silly rich little school boys once again.

    before we all lose our sence of rationale , will ALL concerned , especially both clubs, the fa (long sigh!) and mr evra:
    man the flip up and get on with it.

    over to you man utd , our man has done the bigger thing here by appologising now its your turn to repair the stupidty from this game.

    we wait ......................................................... 

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  160. we were fooled by the best shitte stirrer in the game,fergie the red nosed reindeer,all that happened at the game was down to fergie who hates liverpool,chelsea and qpr got handshake banned,evra dropped his hand nearly down to his knob,then raised it when suarez moved to de geas hand and looked at the camera to say ,hey did u see this,as for red nose,when mr cantona kicked a guys head in the crowd,no other manager called him a disgrace or said he should be gone from utd,we were fooled and tricked by evra and fergie ,evra and rio and red nose should have made a statement today too,but u wont get 1 from red nose,look at the overhead camera shot of the handshake and ul see evra  at his cunning best,racist my azz,both rio and evra tried to badly hurt suarez but rio nearly broke his neck,sad to see in the last 20 years ,utd getting soft penalties,extra 8 minutes injury time to score a winner,and when they loose fergie will sent out assistant manager to speak to media,

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  161. yep those are the facts.. he's a winner and a real live wire so if the handshake was such a big deal then maybe someone should have laid down the law - you can see his record for yourself

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  162. Evra is a Saint overnight in England. Nothing is farther than that.

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  163. The KKK masks confiscated by the police on Saturday count as the present as it happened on the same day as handshakegate. I think he's trying to remind everyone that Man Utd's past isn't as lillywhite as Fergie's 'disgrace' rant would lead you to believe. Both teams have pasts and as the old saying goes "look in before you look out". I wonder if Fergie is going to apologise to the media for that remark, or if Evra is going to apologise for his post match OTT celebration/goading - even after his own manager and player said it was OTT? Probably not because Suarez, Dalglish & Liverpool are the bad guys here.
    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", is that not what it says?

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  164. Are you in charge of transfers at Spurs? Harry didn't sign Suarez because he thought he was too similar a player to Van Der Vaart.
    Also, are you a qualified psychiatrist? you seem to be certain Suarez has psychopathic tendencies, have you done testing on him to determine this prognosis?
    Or are you just making up stories to see your name printed on the internet, much akin to the modern media?
    I make no apology for using big words in this post, if you don't understand them, go back to school and be educated.

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  165. Nothing wrong with me, other than my inability to operate this website properly - I was actually trying to respond to EdinForEngland for his pious comment.

    Btw, I hear what you were saying about the statements, but the club didn't have much choice; they had to been seen to admit full blame for events. It would've rightfully been as churlish if we started pointing to any wind ups from Evra or any other ManU players. Doesn't mean they didn't take place.

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  166. very well said sir you hit the nail on the head 

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  167. You're right, Evra had nothing to do with Suarez breaking a promise to his manager and the club. However, it's the broken promise that's the problem, not whether Evra did or didn't take offence.

    Evra is a big boy, and doesn't deserve the level of sympathy he received following Saturday. Also, I don't believe that he is this paragon of virtue some would lead us to believe. I imagine he is very happy indeed with this weekend's events.

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  168. We are Racist, the club still doesn't acknowledge the Suarez action in the first place were racist.

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  169. if evra who refuse i wonder why suarez ask for forgiveness lol

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