The FA recently condemned Liverpool's Luis Suarez to a life of being labelled a racist, but when it comes to their own employees, they shy away from taking any kind of action. Case in point: In September 2011, FA Council member Peter Brown sent a racist email to his brother from a dedicated FA email account. In a shameful display of hypocrisy from the FA, Brown is STILL working for organisation almost four months later.
Brown was due to retire last month but he's still working as Chief Executive of Bedfordshire FA to ensure a 'smooth handover' to his successor.
The most disgraceful aspect of the situation is the fact that the FA - who recently banned Liverpool's Luis Suarez for 8 games - took NO ACTION against Brown at the time. So much for being tough on racism.
Brown offered to resign, and his resignation was accepted, but he received no disciplinary sanctions whatsoever. At the time, the FA released the following statement:
"The FA can confirm that Bedfordshire County FA Chief Executive Peter Brown has resigned from The FA Council.
"Brown, who has served on The FA Council since 2000, will resign his role with immediate effect following a complaint received regarding his conduct. Mr Brown has apologised for the error of judgement and any offence which this has caused".
Brown also offered a public apology at the time, but as you can see, he didn't step down as a matter of course; he actually canvassed opinion as to whether he *should* step down:
"I hold my hands up. It was an error of judgment that I deeply regret. I've given my life to football but I'm considering my position. I'm consulting county FA colleagues and the FA as to whether I should step down from all my football positions. There is no excuse for what I did".
Why was there even a question of whether he should step down? It should've been automatic, but the fact Brown 'consulted' his FA colleagues seems to suggest that he thought there may be some chance that they would tell him it was okay to carry on.
The FA should have taken disciplinary action, but as we all know, the hypocritical 'old boy's network' that runs the FA always protects its own.
Why didn't the FA fire Brown? Why did they allow him to resign of his volition? Just imagine if it was a player or a manager who was caught sending a racist email (!) - I'm quite sure the response from the FA would've been completely different.
This makes a complete mockery of the FA's supposed tough stand on racism. Basically, the FA's motto is:
"We're TOUGH on racism...except if it's an FA bigwig who's guilty. In that case, we'll do nothing!"
When asked about Brown's continued employment, Bedfordshire FA chairman Richard Robinson commented:
"Peter will commence his delayed retirement later in 2012"
Perhaps Liverpool should ask if Luis Suarez can delay his 8 game ban so that Kenny Dalglish can have time to buy a new striker and ensure a 'smooth handover'.
Just to be clear: I'm not suggesting the Brown/Suarez issues are the same, I'm just highlighting what I perceive to be obvious hypocrisy on the part of the FA. I've argued many times on this site that Suarez deserved to be banned for using the word 'Negro'.
Jaimie Kanwar
Brown was due to retire last month but he's still working as Chief Executive of Bedfordshire FA to ensure a 'smooth handover' to his successor.
The most disgraceful aspect of the situation is the fact that the FA - who recently banned Liverpool's Luis Suarez for 8 games - took NO ACTION against Brown at the time. So much for being tough on racism.
Brown offered to resign, and his resignation was accepted, but he received no disciplinary sanctions whatsoever. At the time, the FA released the following statement:
"The FA can confirm that Bedfordshire County FA Chief Executive Peter Brown has resigned from The FA Council.
"Brown, who has served on The FA Council since 2000, will resign his role with immediate effect following a complaint received regarding his conduct. Mr Brown has apologised for the error of judgement and any offence which this has caused".
Brown also offered a public apology at the time, but as you can see, he didn't step down as a matter of course; he actually canvassed opinion as to whether he *should* step down:
"I hold my hands up. It was an error of judgment that I deeply regret. I've given my life to football but I'm considering my position. I'm consulting county FA colleagues and the FA as to whether I should step down from all my football positions. There is no excuse for what I did".
Why was there even a question of whether he should step down? It should've been automatic, but the fact Brown 'consulted' his FA colleagues seems to suggest that he thought there may be some chance that they would tell him it was okay to carry on.
The FA should have taken disciplinary action, but as we all know, the hypocritical 'old boy's network' that runs the FA always protects its own.
Why didn't the FA fire Brown? Why did they allow him to resign of his volition? Just imagine if it was a player or a manager who was caught sending a racist email (!) - I'm quite sure the response from the FA would've been completely different.
This makes a complete mockery of the FA's supposed tough stand on racism. Basically, the FA's motto is:
"We're TOUGH on racism...except if it's an FA bigwig who's guilty. In that case, we'll do nothing!"
When asked about Brown's continued employment, Bedfordshire FA chairman Richard Robinson commented:
"Peter will commence his delayed retirement later in 2012"
Perhaps Liverpool should ask if Luis Suarez can delay his 8 game ban so that Kenny Dalglish can have time to buy a new striker and ensure a 'smooth handover'.
Just to be clear: I'm not suggesting the Brown/Suarez issues are the same, I'm just highlighting what I perceive to be obvious hypocrisy on the part of the FA. I've argued many times on this site that Suarez deserved to be banned for using the word 'Negro'.
Jaimie Kanwar
lets hope the papers get hold of this and run with it
ReplyDeletefunny how the press dont high light that, but hey they do enjoy wrecking peoples chances in life. to many little back handers here and there and of course thoses posh lunches. makes me sick. there all a bunch of c#£#s
ReplyDeleteAh, there are a few subtle differences here Jamie,you are drawing a comparison to someone forwarding an email to his brother, getting caught, apologising to everyone, immediately admitting his guilt and offering to retire straight away. 55 years of unblemished service behind him and months away from retirement. The opposite is Suarez whom while admitting he used a racial epithet has refused to admit any wrongdoing and as you have said yourself on these pages has a history of cheating, he has been suspended for biting an opposing player and steadfastly refuses to apologise to Evra.
ReplyDeleteNot really two peas in a pod now are they?
Told you all Saurez was made a scape goat, blame the manures and the Fa
ReplyDeleteer...do you care to share any light as to what the e-mail contained?
ReplyDeleteHi Rob - I don't think I've suggested that the two situations are the same; it's the general principle that matters.
ReplyDeleteI think you will find it in The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Daily Mirror, The BBC, most local papers in the area also have carried the story!
ReplyDeleteThat will never happen! The F.A and the papers are in bed together
ReplyDeleteThey'll probably say it's irrelevant as it wasn't on the football field and therefore doesn't bring the game into disrepute.
ReplyDeleteNews of tthe World now look like the good guys
ReplyDeleteVery well said jam,those pathetic wolf in sheep skin,disgraceful blood sucker pretend to be saint,you can tell from their history background,may you all rot in hell.-VIVA ROW
ReplyDeleteThe Daily Mail carried the story on the 8th of September! Nobody cared then including the defenders of Luis Suarez!
ReplyDeleteYes, but none of them have attacked the FA's hypocrisy. They're all FA apologists, especially when it comes to the Suarez case.
ReplyDeleteGood evening, Arsenal fan in peace.
ReplyDeleteYours is the only rival blog I read with any regularity. You criticise your club if you need to, you praise when praise is due. I respect that honesty, as Im sure many of your readers do.
The reason Im commenting is because I think you have this one wrong.
Just take a look at the reaction and apology of Peter Brown, compared with the aftermath of the Suarez incident. I do agree that he should have been disciplined instantly, and the FA should hold their hands up and admit they could have handled the issue more delicately.
However, Browns apology is very wholehearted and sincere. To my mind, Brown would have had to deny it or make a half hearted apology to equalise the Suarez affair.
To be honest, I think the PR department at Liverpool did Luis Suarez no favours. What Suarez said was unfortunate, but the ban seems excessive when the language barriers and lack of evidence are taken into account.
The sad thing is, both the FA and Suarez could have come out of this looking much better - imagine if Luis had made an apology like Peter Browns above, followed by an explanation of the language differences? And then, "lets kick racism out of football" shirts instead of the other ones. An appeal would be possible then, and with much more support from everybody.
Only my 2 pence worth and Im sure many disagree but as an impartial observer (who doesnt like Evra any more than the rest of you!) this is honestly how it looks.
The best of luck for the rest of the season.
agreed Britain is full of two faced little men I went to New York 2 years ago and our coloured friends called each other n####s it didn,t seem to bother them EVRA THEY ALWAYS SAY NEVER TRUST A FRENCH MAN
ReplyDeleteAh ! yet another example of the two-faced, hypocritcal and unaccountable machinationsof the FA. The FA and Blatter deserve each other. I don't have much faith in any of the papers trying to make an issue of this as they are all to busy sticking their knives into LFC and Saurez. The amount of bile they are churning out is totally unacceptable !
ReplyDeleteI have to say on the full matter that what Suarez said one time or seven times is obviously wrong. My issue with the full thing is him being found guilty of racism 'on the basis of probability'. I think this seems overlooked. If the FA are so bothered about racism, then why don't they take it serious enough to try the case on 'without reasonable doubt?' Imagine being labelled a 'probable' rapist, 'probable' murderer or a 'probable' paedophile. This is the part I don't understand. And I actually think a lot of papers have got on the anti Suarez bandwagon for fear of looking like their supporting racism and losing readers. I know you haven't mentioned this in your article but this is the first time I've commented on the Suarez situation on here do I thought I'd say, why was it wrong to support Luis with t-shirts? To everybody who reads this, if you like a work colleague and he is accused of a terribly undesirable crime like racism, would you stand by him? If we went on probability all of the time then why was there so much support for Michael Shields? He was convicted in Bulgaria and everybody STILL supported him, including the papers, but they won't lose readers by supporting him will they? Not too many Bulgarians over here. Oh, and I'm glad we supported Michael btw-no sleight on him at all.
ReplyDeleteThere was a pic of a Black Scots Terrier and some stupid joke!
ReplyDeleteJaimie, have you heard anything regarding LFC wanting to find out from the FA whether they are prepared to take this case to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport in order to clear Suarez's name?
ReplyDeleteApparently we need the FA's agreement to do this.
Read in the Telegraph article regarding the above that LFC are also going to lay a complaint to the FA on how the Suarez situation was handled.
We had no chance against the FA even if we did appeal just by reading the following
"Although Liverpool were within their rights to challenge the make-up of the commission and made no representation to oppose its members, they say it would have been pointless to do so because the FA would also have picked its replacements."
The only way Suarez can get his name cleared is in court but do we need the FA's apprpoval to do so?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8992915/Liverpool-to-complain-to-FA-over-handling-of-Luis-Suarez-case-and-demand-reform-of-disciplinary-process.html
Good call. you have to send that to tabloids!
ReplyDeleteSome segway (The email showed the county FA badge, was titled 'My wee Scottish dog (I love this)' and sent last Thursday - the day before the FA complained to UEFA about the racist abuse from Bulgaria fans directed at England's black players during the Euro 2012 qualifier in Sofia)
ReplyDeletejaimie you must be raking it in with the amount of adds you got on here
ReplyDeletehttp://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/video-footage-of-patrice-evra-calling-chelsea-mother-fker-n/
ReplyDeleteany of you chaps seen this?
So you think two wrongs do make a right? So Suarez is not the only racist in the world (surprise surprise) but he is YOUR racist and the behaviour of Daldlish, the club and fans like yourself is a DISGRACE to the name of LFC and its reputation throughout the world. From the start the manager and the club have defended him even though he ADMITTED to referring to Evra's colour in the altercation he had with him. Dont start that 'whole world's against us' thing that ManU are so good at. You should be above that. Racism is racism, FULL STOP!
ReplyDeleteWhat about the evra video where he screams "fucking niggers"?
ReplyDeleteIt is much worse in my perspective.
Even though the word Nigger originally came from "Negro", it is by no means the same word. "Negro" is the word Black in spanish, plain and simple. In italian it is "Neri", such as in Juventus's nickname, the Bianconeri, or Milan's "Rossoneri". In spain, it goes the extra mile to make the case, as FC Cartagena's nickname is Albinegros.
The word Nigger is a degrading word, racist word, that should never be used. Not even by the "abused" black Evra.
Ridiculous.
you must be joking turn a blind eye will be their policy
ReplyDeleteChuckyred - there's no probable about it - he ADMITTED IT; and if a work colleague was accused of racism and I had even the slightest doubt I would NOT stand by him, let alone wear a T-shirt with his face on! And Jamie K, it wasnt the FA that heard the evidence and found him gulity - they just passed sentence so to speak - so going on about hypocrisy at the FA doesnt do you any favours mate. We all know what the FA are - look at their blind support for the England captain even when he has been charged by police of a similar offence!
ReplyDeleteSo, do you know what Evra said to Suarez??? I do. And it was worth a smack in the mouth which ironically would have been a much shorter ban.
ReplyDeleteEven thouygh you're right - thats racist, and I hereby ban you for eight articles.
ReplyDeleteHow do you know what Evra said? Were you there? So why dont you enlighten us? More importantly, what the hell does it matter? So if a black person insults you its ok to be racist towards them? What exactly are you trying to say 'Dude'?
ReplyDeleteWould there be as much kick offs or as hefty a punishment if Evra had said perhaps something homophobic to Suarez?
ReplyDeletePs Jamie I know my link may have looked like spam earlier, but might have been worth a look if you hadn't seen
ReplyDeleteGreat post - agreed with every word and wish more of our own fans would see it this way.
ReplyDeleteLet's get things straight here the fact that the FA are hypocritical surprises you Jamie? No chance they're a pathetic joke as we all know. However I don't wish to link Brown with the Suarez case. I'd like to point out that the people on here calling Suarez a racist should understand this THE ENQUIRY ACCEPTS HE IS NOT. The whole debate comes down to the fact that Suarez is being treated differently from others. I accept Suarez should not have said what he did, fine give him a ban, but Evra freely admitted to saying disgraceful things about Suarez's sister (and hasn't apologised). So where is the FA charge there? Don't get me wrong I'm for kicking out racism and if players use racist language then ban them but Evra has got away with saying disguisting things and he has got away with that, a disgraceful case of double standards. But let's see what happens when the next case happens, we know who that is, somehow I doubt that the offender will get an 8 match ban. The FA should be laughed out of existence when their captain faces criminal charges for racism and they refuse to remove the armband from him, at least till his case is dealt with. What message does that send about the FA's stand against racism? If I was black, I'm not obviously, I'd be offended but it's the latest in a long line of FA cover ups remember Shearer smashing Neil Lennon's face in with his boot weeks before World Cup 98 which was forgotten about by the FA.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is being treated differently than whom?
ReplyDeleteWhere did Evra freely admit saying anything about Suarez's sister?
Terry is the target of a criminal investigation and therefore he has the presumption of innocence at the moment, hence no ban or investigation.
It is these kind of generalisations that muddy the water and drive people to make silly statements!
But they didn't have a doubt did they? That's the point 'kick it out'. And the point is that he said it wasn't meant in a racist way. But the FA decided it 'probably' was meant to be racist. So I think my points are pretty valid. Personally I think the PC brigade have gone for it big time. I'd have rather had Suarez punished in a court of law, and not by those muppets at the FA. What world do we live in where an elbow in the jaw or headbutt on camera is a three game ban and calling somebody black is an 8 game ban. And for the record I'm mixed race, my dads Libyan. What happened to Robbie Fowler when he was insinuating Graeme Le Saux was a homosexual? That was on camera an surely it's on a par with racism, yeah? The world is going soft. I understand governance and punishment etc, but it needs to be definite. And one more thing Mr 'Kick it Out', if the FA where so sure about Suarez, why was it not proved and stated that Suarezs was found guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt?' oh, yeah, that's why, because it could be proved there WAS reasonable doubt.
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget the PFA who have also failed in their role in protecting player's interests and allowing Suarez to be fed to the lion press and FA.
ReplyDeleteYou just dont get it do you. If you just get your heads out of the sand for a minute and stop asking what if etc then you might just be able to save some of LFCs reputation before its too late. You're in denial - its understandable - its your club, he's a great footballer, a crowd favourite even and you just dont want to believe that he's a racist piece of s**t but thats what he is. A lot of Germans didnt want to believe the holocaust took place - and please dont say I'm exaggerating because if you know your history you'll know it started with anti-semitic insults and led to the concentration camps. That's what racism is. It's not a harmless bit of fun. I'm sorry if this hurts you but at the end of the day you either oppose racism or you apologise for it -and all I've seen on these posts is apologists for racism. I know some good fans of LFC who are ASHAMED. So should you be. Goodnight.
ReplyDeleteLuis Suarez obviously caused offence and he was wrong to do it but what Evra admitted saying seems to have been swept under the carpet. The general unwillingness to even consider that Suarez didn't intend to be racist is nothing short of disgraceful. Also, the independent commission judged the whole matter in a very English way where referring to someone's colour is more likely to be construed as racist than in some other countries. Something of a racist way of carrying out the proceedings! If anything, this could be belittling racism - it's alot more serious than just referring to someone's colour. Finally, how many times over the years must one footballer have called another one 'you Welsh so and so' or 'you Scottish so and so' where both are the same colour, or does racism only apply when the people are of different colours? So much hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteHi Galloyd - posts with links automatically get held for moderation, but they all go live very soon after, as yours has now. Cheers.
ReplyDeleteHey Andrew - the FA's hypocrisy doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and I think it's important to highlight it, which is why I post articles like this publicizing some aspect of their corrupt behaviour whenever I can.
ReplyDeleteAh yes Racism does in nearly every case need two people of different colour.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the thing Evra admitted to saying?
In Evra's witness statement, he admitted the sister-slur:
ReplyDeleteFA Report - Section178. "Mr Evra stated that the goalmouth incident started when he addressed Mr Suarez, beginning with the phrase "Concha de tu hermana". According to the experts, the literal translation is "your sister's cunt".
Rob - Evra admitted the sister-slur in his witness statement.
ReplyDeleteFA Report - Section 178.
"Mr Evra stated that the goalmouth incident started when he addressed Mr Suarez, beginning with the phrase "Concha de tu hermana". According to the experts, the literal
translation is "your sister's c***".
Great points Dave. I think your're absolutely right re Brown's apology; it did seem sincere, and perhaps I should've made it clearer that he wasn't really the target of my post.
ReplyDeleteAs sincere as his apology was though, the fact that he felt he could consult his FA colleagues about whether he should actually step down is a sad indictment of the FA's outdated culture.
What if his colleagues had told him not to step down? Perhaps that's what he was expecting...?
Totally agree also re how Suarez and Liverpool could've handled it better. I can't understand why they didn't do exactly as you describe: apology and explanation.
Hi mate - this article in The Guardian, written by a Lawyer, outlines all Liverpool's appeal options:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/luis-suarez-liverpool-appeal-options
From the Daily Mirror on Wednesday:
ReplyDeleteTHE Football Association boss who sent a racist email to friends is still working for the governing body.Peter Brown forwarded the offensive gag from his business account - hours before Bulgarian fans hurled racist abuse at black England players in September.He was due to retire at the end of December but is still at Bedfordshire FA to ensure a "smooth handover" to his successor Keith Stroud, 42.Mr Brown, 65, had made a public apology and offered to quit during an investigation.But FA bosses, who recently banned Liverpool's Luis Suarez for eight games following racist comments, took no action against the chief executive.A source said: "It's as though grassroots football has little appetite to confront racism, which is shameful."Bedfordshire FA chairman Richard Robinson said: "Peter will commence his delayed retirement later in 2012."Makes a clear reference to the hypocrisy in the fifth paragraph!
Jaimie, you are the sole light of reason, consistency and fairness in a PC world gone mad, may I have your babies please you delicious hunk of beef you?
ReplyDeleteI am not a racist , but until several weeks ago I did not not Know it was an offence to call a black person a negro . I am 57 years old English and caucasion [peson does this make me a racist .The next time an ethnic minority calls me a bald headed old bastard , they are in court .
ReplyDeleteProblem is they are an ethnic minority and will be let off .
I am a stranger in my own country .
Yeah JK just went over it again. The literal translation is your sisters shell!!(go figure) but this translation doesn't fit with anybody's account and Suarez said he didn't even hear it. The only one that referred to it was Evra and he said that he used it to mean ' fucking hell' so can we assume that was the way it went?
ReplyDeleteChanging the subject Darren Bent has signed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking on Twitter, David Anderson said: “An Anfield source says Darren Bent’s move to Liverpool is done.
Mirror journalist.
What do you think on this rumour of a done deal!
Found not guilty of 'Racism'! he could/should sue you... he was charged with abusive language that contained a reference to ethnicity! the FA and Evra both admitted he wasnt racist. the joke of it is, 'black' 'white' are not racial slurs in my opinion, they are ethnic slurs!
ReplyDeleteAgreed Suarez made a racist comment in the heat of the moment and should have apologised right from the start, i am not condoning what he said and agree with the ban maybe a bit harsh though the whole affair has been handled awfully by the players, LFC, MUFC, FA and the press.
ReplyDeleteLuis Suarez is not a racist in any shape or form he has many friends and family from various ethnic backgrounds. I think Patrice Evra has exagerated what was said meaning Evra stated Luis used the word more than seven times, there is no evidence from other players on the pitch, the referee or any video evidence to back this up, Luis has never denied using the word, but denies using it seven times i for one believe him.
Patrice Evra is no angel, look at his past, he himself used derogatory words towards Suarez ..again i am not condoning what was said by Suarez, but Evra's integrity has to be brought into question i think he has kicked the man when he is down, shame on you and shame on all these people involved in the Suarez witch hunt, you are mindless idiots with nothing else better to do than join in the public berating of a human being...have you never made a mistake or made an unwanted comment to anybody...i very much doubt it..so grow th f**k up
Let Luis get on with his life and try to rebuild his footballing career..what happened to a second chance and a bit of compassion
Take a look at goody 2 shoes Evra
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2082524/Patrice-Evra-video-using-n-word-YoutTube.html?
A friend of mine got finished from work after 20 years, when he asked the girl at the unemployment office what he could claim for, he was told ''I cant tell you, I can only tell you everything you can claim for if you are foriegn''. there is racism in this country, I just dont know who against!!!!
ReplyDeleteLawro confirmed that the deal was done yesterday: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01/lfc-legend-claims-massive-rumours-in.html - I bet he saw ML's comments about 'massive rumours' and that became his 'Anfield Source'
ReplyDeleteIf you defend a racist in my eyes it make you a racist, shame on you all. Who says you,ll never walk alone, you've never been more alone.
ReplyDeleteI dont like Evra either but racism is racism and your player is a racist and your club has shamed itself
ReplyDeleteThe England FA is rotten to the core. Again my sincere "Puki Mak " to them.
ReplyDeleteNO HE'S NOT.
ReplyDeleteWhat about evra saying the ref only booked him because he is black? Or calling Suarez a south American? Or is it only racist when said to a black
ReplyDelete@ Ave. The FA went to great lengths to emphasize that Suarez is NOT a racist. Evra also confirmed this. It's all in the report. So I guess your statement is unfounded and therefore libelous.
ReplyDeleteAfrica for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY!
ReplyDeleteEverybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Do you honestly think that is LS thought for one minute that saying the word "negro" had racist connotations, that he would have so willingly admitted saying it, especially since there were no witnesses to the fact! He obviously admitted it cause he thought there was no problem with it, just like in his country. On reflection, he probably should have denied it and that would have been the end of that!
ReplyDeleteFunny, lots of people seem to want to overlook that he was found not to be racist. They must read the mirror. Do they think Glen Johnson would wear the t shirt if he thought Suarez was a racist? Or what about Suarez's nan, who is black? I think people are quick to have him nailed on a racist without acknowledging that there are cultural and linguistic differernces.
ReplyDeleteI know someone has mentioned above that people often refer to each other in a way in which a white man would be labelled a racist, but its ok. Evra on the Marseille piece before the Chelsea game is disgusting, but that's ok? Say Suarez happened to be black, would Evra have reacted in the way he did? Would people still want to label him a racist? I think not.
329. The first of these was the coin toss. Mr Evra was seen to dispute the outcome of the coin toss with the referee. Mr Marriner explained that he used a FIFA coin which is blue on one side and yellow on the other. He asked Mr Evra, as the visiting captain, to call the colour. Mr Marriner tossed the coin, it came down yellow, and he awarded it to Steven Gerrard who elected to stay in their current ends. Manchester United had kick off. Mr Evra remonstrated that he had called correctly but, Mr Marriner said, he had not. Mr Evra then spoke to Ryan Giggs about it, and Mr Marriner walked over to Mr Evra to assure him that he (Mr Marriner) had got it right. Mr Evra's evidence was that when such a coin was used, he always called yellow given that the alternative, blue, is a Manchester City colour, which he would never call. The toss came down yellow and so Mr Evra knew that he had won it. He particularly wanted to change ends at the start, he explained to the referee that he had called yellow, and why he had done so. Mr Evra was angry but the referee did not change his mind.
ReplyDeleteEvra was even arguing over the colour of the toss up of the coin! Why was Evra even captain with Giggs on the field?
I am hoping for my own sanity this is my last comment on Evra/Suarez row!
You will have to wait till the next Ice Age then then you can pour back into Africa unless you are going to grin and bear it like a
ReplyDeleteNeanderthal with a goat skin and a beard !!!
using the word negro is racist? how about white? or chinese? or arab? a racist remark is one which comes with an intent to be derisory; the word by itself should not be banned. that is a very bad precedent. how about negroid? like mongroid? that racist? this is a totally stupid and disingenuous argument by all who deem it racist because it isn't. did you know that in asia they have a widely sold brand of toothpaste which is branded darkie/blackie for the better part of the last 50 years (translated as negro man toothpaste). presumably you will think that is racist but chinese people will think it is just how you will call a man who has black skin or of african origin.
ReplyDeleteMaybe there is more to this story about Luis and the FA that is not making it to print! What is Kenny referring to about the FA in his interview after the last match? Is there any news possible that might change the minds of those who are not supporting Luis?
ReplyDeleteGood post, but if we go right back to the original complaint by Evra and Fergie who told the ref he had been called a N****r! If they had told the ref he had been called black or negro like he did on the pitch to the ref(even he went, "is that why you said black" to Evra) and Giggs who are both British the club and Suarez could have gone into damage limitation to start with saying yes Suarez (Suarez has never denied saying negro) said negro which does mean black in Spanish but he did not mean it in an offensive way .
ReplyDeleteSomewhere for the club to start with but they were defending Suarez over using the word N****r, which Evra had translated wrong and wouldn't back down over until later on into the enquiry, by then the damage had been done and there was no turning back.
That FA man had no choice but to apologize it was there in black and white and there was no way he could challange it.
Liverpool were and are defending themselves over the original complaint not what experts and the FA made their mind up about the arguments that no one heard on the pitch.
Good, fair and as always reasoned article Jaimie - the truth is in this whole sorry saga NOBODY least of all the aptly name F A (Fergies Allies - perhaps) have come out of this whole sorry episode in any glory and that includes our beloved LFC - but you what - the ban is being served - I think its best all round to let this go now. Sure top marks for highlighting the hypocrisy and double standards - BUT WE ALWAYS KNEW THAT WAS THE CASE WITH THE FA -
ReplyDeleteLet it go mate - let the press have their feedin frenzy for column inches and just lets get on with the footy
i love luis as much as everyone. but as soon as you say the n word your screwd take the ban and get on with rest of the season and hopefully evra will fall off the planet.
ReplyDeleteSo what does everyone think about the Patrice Evra video conveniently uncovered after the fact Luis Suarez and Liverpool FC had begrudgingly accepted The FA punishment? http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Video-Patrice-Evra-using-the-N-word-article849460.html
ReplyDeleteThe whole basis for convicting Luis Suarez was based on The FA finding Patrice Evra's testimony on oath "more probable" due to inconsistencies in Luis Suarez's testimony! Now that testimony of Patrice Evra's has been blown to bits because the video clearly shows him racially abusing Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and Frank Lampard calling them as a collective, "Mother Fu**ing Ni**ers"! Patrice Evra in his own words stated to The FA that he never uses the "N" word and finds it offensive? surely the video disproves Patrice Evra that and The FA must now retract Luis Suarez's punishment and fine and ban Patrice Evra? This is not "probable" evidence this is "beyond reasonable doubt" evidence and proves that Patrice Evra himself is a racist and has lied to The FA Disciplinary Commission Hearing under oath?
Robairdorian - I speak Spanish and shell may be the literal translation, but it also doubles as c***. Evra knew what he was saying, as he speaks flunet Spanish.
ReplyDelete*sigh*. He did NOT say the n-word!!. He said the Spanish word for black, as the conversation was in Spanish. Let's at least get the facts straight!!!
ReplyDeleteThe FA and the media are both corrupt ans self serving! The evidence can be seen on a daily basis! This current vendetta against LFC is something MUFC would not have to put up with, and that is also a fact. The FA should e charged with incompetence!
ReplyDeleteEvra should be charged for impersonating a human being! Honestly the guy is a waste of space! He can give out but can't take it! Wimp! Send him a diaper and dummy for xmas!
ReplyDeleteITS VERY DISGRACEFUL OF E WAY FA DONE THEIR JOB...
ReplyDeleteALL FA STAFF NID TO CHANGE COZ THEY ARE 1 WHO RACSIM !!!
ACT TOUGH ON RACIST ?????????????????
THEY ARE DOUBLE STANDARD IN THE FA THE WAY THE TREAT SUAREZ ..
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WAT IS THE USE IF THE FA ONSELF IS DOUBLE STANDARD !!!!
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you mean your black friends?
ReplyDeletewhat did Evra say dude?
ReplyDeleteJust for clarity, Brown resigned from FA Council, which was a voluntary position. He offered to resign from his position as CEO at Bedfordshire FA and it was refused. Worse, they've extended his contract so that he can retire when he likes in 2012.
ReplyDeleteAlso the email he sent didn't just go to this brother, it went to others in local football and got forwarded on from there
ReplyDeleteI'm quite certain Patrice Evra has abused the terms and conditions of his entry into the UK with this video as evidence! To gain entry through The UK Border Agency he would have had to adhere to UK law which he quite clearly did not! So he initially gained entry with The Monaco Team agreeing to adhere to UK law and made this video before or after The Champions League clash with Chelsea around the 19th April 2004 (when the match took place) in a London Hotel on British soil.
ReplyDeleteHe then signed for Manchester United FC on the 6th January 2006 and would have had to get a work permit to play football for Manchester United FC and adhere to stringent UK Border Agency testing and adhere to UK law even after the fact he had abused that.
It should be a privilege to gain entry into the UK to work which Patrice Evra quite clearly abused that privilege in the most heinous manner of racism, which is the worst form of discrimination and wrecks lives! If The FA are not going to do anything about this I'm certain The UK Border Agency has to?
Email Address UK Border Agency: public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
a sad post bringing in the pre meditated murder of millions of Jewish people by the German government during world war 2 and this issue, and besides i believe what they tried to achieve was 'Ethnic cleansing' not Racial cleansing, though i agree with you that it was their efforts that have made the issue of race/creed/ethnic background such a sticky un-clarified subject. Let me say i don't agree with racism at all but come on, ask any Spanish speaking person what word they would use to describe something that is black in colour and the legitimate word is 'negro', its like saying that using the word 'black' to describe someones skin colour here in England makes you a racist. And just for some food for thought for you, i took a lot of stick when i lived in South Africa for being white (even by white South Africans for being too white as i have very pail skin) and also i was called saltie all the time (a term for English people) The way i saw it was all they were doing was pointing out that my skin was white and i was English so i was not bothered at all. And one last point to you 'kick it out' i dont think Liverpool fans are saying racism is acceptable as you suggest but are more annoyed at the double standards by the FA. for example why is John Terry still England captain (and please dont say because the case hasn't gone to court yet as Luis was tarnished as a 'racist' before the case was concluded) and secondly Evra admits in the report he abused Luis regarding the fact he was South American, is this not the same thing? has Evra been banned? No
ReplyDeletehere here, an example for you mate, a few years ago while loading a van for the charity YMCA we got a ticket (even though we came out of the shop carrying a sofa as he was writing it up) we argued this point with the traffic warden who was of an ethnic minority. he turned round and called me and the other guy 'fucking beatroot faces' , when his supervisor turned up and we brought it up his reply was 'how can that be racist if i said it' which to me implied because he was of ethnic minority his comment could not be construed as a racist one. They did nothing about the comment and we still had to pay the fine!! go figure
ReplyDeletefunny that as both the FA and Patrice claim Luis is not a racist but i guess you know better
ReplyDeleteFA are racists!
ReplyDeleteTo prove that they are not they need to show they are hard to racist's so they will heavily ban a player who one member of the black race (Evra), SAF and the media call racist.
Oh, and it just happens to be that a foreigner who didn't know the language gets banned 3 times as English player who actually was a racist.
Meh.
ReplyDeleteKnob end.
ReplyDeleteSurely Patrice Evra has abused the terms and conditions on his work permit with the video that's knocking about? He has to agree to adhere to UK Law and pass stringent UK Border Agency testing and considering the video was made in a London Hotel on British soil then he is bang to rights no matter when he did it? The video evidence is "beyond reasonable doubt" and NOT "probable"! What are people's thoughts on this?
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ReplyDeleteI'm reporting them to the FA!!!
come back when you can spell right
ReplyDeleteO please, read the report. As for Terry, I made no statement on he should be charged now, he shouldn't as it could prejudice the legal case. But how can the FA keep him on as captain when he's being charged with a racist offence and claim they are clamping down on racism it's a sick joke. There are no gemeralisations and no silly statements.
ReplyDeleteHi Jamie, sorry it took so long to get back but I've had internet problems, I agree with you 100% on the FA and I support you in doing so they are truly two faced in dealing with issues
ReplyDeleteFor the record, Suarez wasn't banned for using the word 'Negro', he was banned for racially abusing a fellow professional on the field of play.
ReplyDeleteLet's call it what it was, and not use linguistic tricks to try and downplay it. It wasn't a slip of the tongue- he racially abused a man.
if someone defends a bigot (you) shame on them. i retract that, you are not a bigot but a moron. and to you i say whatever evra said to suarez about his (non-existent) sister's privates. that is apparently an ok statement because it is not racist.
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