27 Dec 2011

LAWYER blasts: Luis Suarez should face CRIMINAL CHARGES...

The Society of Black Lawyers (SBL) is urging the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to treat the Luis Suarez affair as a racist incident and argues the Uruguayan should not be treated any differently to Chelsea's John Terry.

In an alarming turn of events for Liverpool, The SBL revealed in a Press Release that it plans to make a formal complaint to the CPS about Suarez in the hope that it will launch a full investigation.

Peter Herbert OBE & co-chair of the organisation argued:

"To our knowledge, neither club has bothered to conduct its own independent investigation or hold a disciplinary hearing".

I believe this is true. I've been trying to get an answer to this question for the last month but no one from Liverpool's Press Office has been willing to confirm or deny whether the club carried out its own disciplinary investigation. Herbert continued:

“If such serious allegations of racism had been made in the workplace, any reasonable employer would consider itself to be under a strict duty to conduct a full, detailed and impartial investigation into the allegations, and not simply to state that they stand behind the denials of the player concerned.

"There is no reason why Suarez should not face criminal charges. When individual football clubs and fellow players – both black and white – endorse this kind of behaviour, they themselves become part of the problem because they stand in the way of the total eradication of racism from the sport.

"Their denial and appeasement reflects an abdication of their role as responsible players or employers"
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Strong words from the SBL, but hardly surprising given Liverpool's defensive and arguably amateurish response to the FA's Suarez-Evra verdict.

Further reading:

* Why Liverpool and Suarez should sue Alex Ferguson for defamation

* SUAREZ: Why it's Liverpool's fault if people label him a 'racist'

* Suarez-Evra Hearing: Potential bias and the Man United connection

* Debunking Liverpool FC Myths: No 11 - Patrice Evra has a history of making race complaints

Jaimie Kanwar


62 comments:

  1. Is this organisation some kind of joke? Can we really take serious statements about racism from an organisation that bases their membership on skin colour. (how inclusive) 

    Talk about woolly language too, " (SBL), has condemned as indefensible, the stance of Chelsea and Liverpool Football Clubs for appearing to endorse the alleged acts of racism perpetuated by John Terry and Luis Suarez respectively." 

    So the society is only angry as the clubs 'appear' to endorse the 'alleged' acts of racism.

    So in plain English these clubs have not endorsed racism, in fact they haven't even endorsed 'alleged racism', they have 'appeared' to endorse 'alleged racism'.

    This is indefensible, dead right I doubt any lawyer could defend this since it is completely unclear what is being defended! 

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  2. I meant to add don't bother trying to post on their website as comments produce an error. Seems they can't manage to run a simple website either.

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  3. Wow, a lawyer proposes suing someone in order to resolve a
    problem!  Who could have expected that
    coming? 

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  4. If they made a formal complaint to the CPS that would be excellent news for Liverpool. They would throw the case out in a second thus forcing the FA to reconsider their arguably idiotic verdict.

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  5. Why don't they sue themselves for being called Society of Black Lawyers (SBL)? Are they not racists - calling themselves "black" lawyers?

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  6. This lawyer have a connection to Old Red Nose by any chance?

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  7. The translation of their name into Spanish is the most interesting thing: Sociedad de Abogados Negros. Go figure. They may not want this news to be published in Spanish, otherwise they would have to sue people all over Spain and Latin America.

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  8. They may want to read this article. It will clarify a few things to them: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/football-association-taking-narrow-view-of-racism-luis-suarez-patrice-evra-manuel-barcia-122411

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  9. Sorry guys, but honestly what are they talking about!!!!

    I live in Iraq (anyone?) you know what Iraq is right? And someone just decided to f%&k this country just because it's wealthy. I lost a brother and a lot of friends where I share some great history with, so in other words they changed my life forever, and that includes millions of other Iraqis. 

    I know you might be saying this is out of context and I kind of agree.

    But the point I am trying to make is that individuals make decisions that changes the lives of millions of people, and they want to convince me now that there is no racism in the world and specifically in football, and all the sudden a word said from a foreign player on his first year of EPL football, which the word he said in his country and even mine is considered very normal, should be battered to death!!!

    Give me a break, there is racism in every form around us everywhere but we just decide not to see it because it's in our intrest to not bother. But when we want we will make it the biggest issue in the world.

    Sorry fellow reds for making it very personal, but I am fed up with the FA and their bulls**t.

    YNWA

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  10. Well that organisation has loads of credibility, basing their opinions on conjecture and rumour. How embarrassing.
    Obviously looking for a bit of free publicity to boost their politically questionable businesses.

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  11. Mamoon,
         I spent 25 months in your country.  I would have liked to have been just about any place else honestly.  However, I hope that in the future your country can look back and say that even though the time was difficult it made the world (and your country) a better place.  You may disagree and that is fine by me, I did what my country called me to do and I am proud of my service in your country and I sincerely hope that you do not hold it against our service men and women for the mistakes made by our politicians.

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  12. So what did the Society of Latino Lawyers have to say?

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  13. We all know the FA IRC panel is just a Kangaroo court.

    They convict a person based on verbal testimonies without considering the circumstantial evidence.

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  14. Suarez would have more chance of being found not guilty in a court of law as they would take everything into account and the court wouuld not act in a racist manner and side with the blacks.So the blackies who want Suarez tried due to their chip on their shoulder in effect would be helping suarez as he would be found not guilty therefore the fa cannot suspend him.this i believe will be the case in the captain of Englands trial not guilty =no charge off the fa therefore he leads england out in 2012 as captain.

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  15. I think if Suarez gets charged by the police, he will be exonerated, because the CPS will need hard core evidence. The flimsy evidence they have against Suarez will not hold water in real court. I say bring it on!

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  16. No worries mate. but hope you don't get me wrong also.

    I believe that Saddam was behind all the mess. But I was pointing out to the War traders who used the situation to make some cash and political raise!!!

    But saying all that, the problem is that the people who suffered under the dictator are the same suffering now!! And losing the people you love in such tragic manner just kills everything good in you!! 

    We opened our eyes on war and death because of that idiot, and unfortunately his shadow will cast on our country for a long time!!

    Sorry for curving away from the Liverpool case to this.

    Wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    And again no worries mate. YNWA

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  17. Oh dear, I do hope that Peter Herbert isn't the SBL's spokesman... a lawyer who doesn't know the law! The CPS have got no grounds to act - fact!

    Does he not also realise there is a reason why a criminal conviction will not be forthcoming? It's what is known as 'lack of evidence'! & he has no comment about the abuse that Suarez received, when it very clearly has equal validity to the charge against Suarez - it couldn't be that the SBL are bigoted or prejudiced, could it?

    A little piece of advice for the SBL: If you should choose to make a complaint against LFC, don't forget that any corporation making frivolous, defamatory, or vexatious allegations are themselves open to counterclaims

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  18. They aren't racist! They have come out with ONE word that they shouldn't have for different reasons, what did Evra say? Those women on the trains and bus on youtube are real racists in the UK and what the police should concentrate on! If we start going after every person who has done that the court system will falter and it will stir up more hatred then actually stop it!  

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  19. Mamoon,
        Merry Christmas to you as well and I wish you a happy New Year.

    YNWA

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  20. bloody black lawyer is a man u fan... it's obvious!. asshole!

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  21. If they have ignored any sort of racism directed at Suarez the FA,PFA,Kick It Out, and Show Racism the Red Card should all resign and then be sued by the club my be we could use the Society of Black Lawers(you have to be black then?) as our legal team seeing that they are upto date with racism, but then again we ain't black enough!

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  22. In a criminal court, he'd be acquitted in about ten minutes.

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  23. It doesn't really clarify much, in relation to the angle the SBL are coming in at.

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  24. Well, well lots of criminal expertise in these Liverpool fans comments

    Funny that

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  25. Why, at this time, would you go with the term 'blackie'? Liverpool fans generally want to show that this isn't a club that condones racism and you come out with the term blackie. Jesus Christ the stupidity...

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  26. more expert than the fa obviously??
    one mans word against another? then found guilty because hes white ? how would it work the other way round? or dare i say a man utd player abuseing a liverpool player?
    the big problem in all this, there is no evidence and no witnesses?
    its pure bias and prejudise towards suarez and liverpool.
    didnt evra admit abuse towards suarez?
    i think the fa have probably done a bit of usual dodgy business to get these lawyers involved to help save there asses

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  27. Society of Black Lwawyers? Please run that past me again. Society of Black Lawyers? Completely objective organisation then.

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  28. This article is almost spot on apart from the reference to Suarez biting the ear of an opponent- it was his shoulder.
    Sorry to be 'picky'. The more I read around the subject the more disappointed I become with the LFC legal team because there appears to be so much that could have been used in his defence and so much to strengthen the case against Evra. I have also been emphasising on contributions elsewhere that race is NOT just about the colour of a person's skin, it embraces much more than that, as explained clearly in the article.
    The most ridiculous comment I have read on the whole affair is one by a Man. Utd.fan ( of course ) when he stated that Suarez had to be punished because he was now living under our 'culture and laws'. Now I thought that we now lived in a multicultural society so what exactly is 'our culture'? Can somebody please explain?
    I remain 100% convinced that the FA is using Luis Suarez as a sacrificial lamb to score points off FIFA and UEFA.

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  29. this blacks are looking to make easy money as the jews did with the germans over second world war. maybe they should go work the fields.

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  30. Your comment has the backing of none other than David Moyes who used the very term 'kangaroo court' to describe the Appeals panel handling the Jack Rodwell situation. And he was successful, so it was hardly sour grapes.

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  31. is nice here in the summer all nice and white in this small city  not like you guys have it in england full of dirt.

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  32. Just like us Liverpool fans are being 'objective' over the Suarez situation(!)

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  33. What the hell is wrong with you people.

    Don't you realise that everytime a liverpool fan says something a little bit racist in a comment box, or mocks a critic of liverpool rather than address their points another bit of the club's reputation dies?

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  34. Too little, too late

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  35. wonder what the society of white lawyers think

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  36. I've read many a post on this site alone by so-called Pool fans on this Suarez issue that would make far more credible claim for being the 'most ridiculous comment'.

    Just goes to show how petty you are with your bitter bile that is simply driven by tribal/team allegiance.

    Ridiculous, you got people on here saying stuff like 'blackie', preaching objectivity when they themselves have clearly showed none in relation to this issue, jumping the gun before the report has even come out, etc and yet you deem a comment like that to be the 'most ridiculous'.  

    What planet are you on

    You might as well say out loud 'I deem this post to be the most ridiculous, simply because its posted by a manc'

    Football fans and stupid team allegiances that blind their common sense. What a neanderthal way to look at things.

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  37. So the organisation with a clearly racist name where there is a reference to their skin colour (I think that's something that was incriminated to Suarez, no?) are trying to say that he must face criminal charges. Based on what? Based on him speaking SPANISH in England, and using the words that are deemed totally normal and not racist whatsoever in Spanish language of his country? Very clever.
    Besides, to face criminal charges there should be at least an evidence, not only someone's opinion.

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  38. The Uruguayan black musician cannot go to England. He will be sued there. He calls himself negro. Check his official website is negrorada.com

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  39. When are we going to see or hear the evidence?!!!

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  40. Even black lawyers are racist, no wonder we have the Black Hole of Calcutta for all these people. To me "Puki Mak" and "Kunkit" are the best words to describe them.

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  41. comebackrafa

    You are a complete idiot. "Blackies" RU serious?
    Let me educate you on this. These organizations were set up because back in the day blacks & other minorities were excluded from these established organizations because they were "BLACK" U moron that is why they had to form their own. Its the same reason we have white and black Fraternities and Sororities, Scotish Rite & Prince Hall FreeMasons the same goes for social clubs. FYI google American Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists or the National Association of Women Lawyers (NAWL) and see what you come up with. Another FYI 4ya most of these "Black organizations" if not all have "white members". Here in the US I am a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity and I am a member of a PrinceHall Masonic Lodge both predominantly black organizations with plenty of white members and you will also find that the oposite applies too.
    As a Black Supporter of this Club for over 36yrs, it is people like you that make me utterly sick with your foolish and uneducated comments.
    Last point B4 I sign off. There is a big difference between calling someone negrito, negro (Suarez) and "nigga" (Terry) check the dictionary if you are capable of doing so!

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  42. Stop abusing their names!5:03 am, December 28, 2011

    There is nothing wrong with the LFC legal team so why should you be disappointed with them. If you have read so much around the subject then you should know that the flaw is in the system. That a man can be prosecuted on another man's word. And that precedence counts for nothing.

    If anything, the system is awfully quiet about Evra's "you South American" comments. The initiator has turned accuser. Just because no official complaint has been made, does that mean that it is not racial abuse? Am I suppose to say that just because a tree falls in a forest and no one heard it, the tree fell silently?

    I like most of your comments but please do not put your disappointment with the legal team. They have nothing to do with it.

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  43. why dont they piss off and go sue someone else. SBL , you r barking up the wrong tree. Evra is the racist here , maybe i should get the SWL in volved here. what goes around comes around.

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  44. Bit out of date now then really, they should change their name and be more PC!

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  45. 'i hope you learned something'....from a random person on the internet

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  46. He said the word negrito (which to a person who hasn't got a clue of Uruguayan culture would automatically think 'what the ***!) during a game between two fierce rivals to a player that he was getting the better of and winding each other up, in England. To a player who knows Spanish well but isn't from South America. 

    Considering the above, Sorry, but no amount of explaining explaining South American/Uruguayan culture with waffle like racial brotherhood will excuse the lack of common sense and the sheer naive stupidity of what Suarez said. Either Suarez was naively stupid or was meant to be insulting. 

    Either way, deserves punishment. 

    Stupidity nor is a moment of losing one's common sense is a defence.

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  47. I hope you do realise LFC probably has more black followers than the lawyers you ranting against so why the need to call them blacks BLACKIES

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  48. Blobby - Why do you talk so much when you know so little?

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  49. Santiago Gomez-Chartier - Your excellent comments should be compulsory reading for the FA idiots - not that they would understand what you have written, even though it is full of clarity, focused and concise.

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  50. They are calling themselves the society of black lawyers.How should i refer to them if they are a group and they seem proud to want to be known as the society of black lawyers.

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  51. comebackRafa - You know full well that the word 'blackies' is outdated, and has negative connotations, and if you don't, then you're disturbingly ignorant. Please refrain from using that kind of label on the site. Thanks.

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  52. What is this group going do about  the admitted statement made  by mr   Evera or is   this service only  available to  those of a certain enthicity  john avidson

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  53. I auspect fergie is behind all there. He wants to rattle Suarez and hence rattle the whole team. Suarez ia a threat to fergie's 20th title ambitions. I will not hesitate to call him "Puki Mak" and "Jubor" which is the most polite way to describe him.

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  54. Great riposte(!)

    Oh god forbid a Liverpool fan who doesn't for once base his comments on his team's allegiance eh

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  55. bloody hell, what are some people like!

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  56. Suarez has been condemned as a racist when the tribunal stated he was not racist but guilty of making a racist remark.  The word he used was negro, which means black in his native tongue.  From this we must believe that calling anybody black is wrong and illegal if it causes offence.  This society of lawyers which now castigate Suarez is a closed society only open to those with black skin.  Is this not a racist organisation and by definition illegal.  It is abbohrent that this society even exists.  A society for white lawyers would not be allowed.

    If this black society is allowed to exist, then those with dark skin must be allowed to be addressed as black and Suarez's remark is not racist.

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  57. I hope your continued criticism of the club over this results in legal action against yourself.

    I find it startling that you call yourself a fan with such delusions of grandeur.

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  58. Santiago Gomez-Chartier      Everyone with a genuine interest in the Suarez-Evra case should read your posting. (This includes the FA and the Liverpool legal team) Indeed if I found myself in Luis Suarez's position I would ask to speak with you with my legal team. That is not an unreasonable request when such ignorance of racial relations exists with key decision makers.
    Your posting comes across to me as the most authoritive insight given on  this very serious matter. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all on this website.

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  59. Anyone who makes any substantive comment on the case before the evidence is released is posturing with their own agenda, and thus should generally be ignored. 

    There is an interesting nuanced case at the heart of this matter. But the FA have completely messed up by releasing the verdict without the evidence. 

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  60. Not so.

    And if you actually take a bit of time to study the differences between civil cases and court cases you will understand why.

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  61. Wow, where to begin?

    Suarez isn't 'white', he's of mixed heritage, including a black grandfather. So we can put that to one side straight off the bat.

    It wasn't one word against another. The explanatory report now released demonstrates that.

    The panel was an independent panel of QCs. Your claim that they are (biased) and (prejudiced) against Liverpool is serious- can you back it up with evidence relating to these individuals? Or is it just empty rhetoric?

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