Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard was involved in an argument with Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini after the 1-0 Carling Cup defeat at the Etihad Stadium last night, and here is a snippet of the conversation.
The pair clashed twice after the game, prompting Mancini to blast:
"Steven Gerrard can say what he wants.
"I said what I think. That is what I am used to doing.
"It is not important what Steven Gerrard or the other players have said."
Predictably, many Liverpool fans are lionising Gerrard for having a go at Mancini, but I don't see why he deserves any credit over this.
The City boss was being interviewed, and Gerrard clearly butted-in and started having a go at him. Even the interviewer said something along the lines of 'we're trying to have an interview here', after Gerrard's interruption.
Why is Mancini not allowed to give his opinion without being rudely accosted by Gerrard? Surely, he's entitled to his view?
And how exactly was Mancini - as Gerrard put it - 'trying to get Johnson sent off' AFTER the game had finished?!
We all know that Gerrard is close to United neanderthal Wayne Rooney, so his complaints about him were probably motivated by a perceived slight against his friend, rather than a rational response to a serious footballing issue.
Clear-headed, objective observers would probably agree that Johnson's tackle was bad, and possibly worse than Kompany's against Man United. Alas, many groupthink-afflicted Liverpool fans are not clear-headed, or capable of objectivity, and that's the problem.
IMO, Gerrard's behaviour is indicative of the belligerent, needlessly combative attitude instilled into the club by Kenny Dalglish over the last few months, and most recently typified by the antagonistic response to the Luis Suarez situation.
The victim complex is palpable at Anfield these days: Everyone is against Liverpool; there's always an agenda/ conspiracy; everyone needs to be slapped down; Liverpool players are beyond criticism and blah blah blah.
You just have to watch Kenny Dalglish's persistently pugnacious press conferences to see the victim complex in action. Last night, again, Dalglish was rude to the press after someone had the temerity to enquire about the current Andy Carroll transfer, and once again, it was totally uncalled for.
The worst thing about this is that many fans are encouraging this attitude at the club, and for me, that's depressing. As per usual, the fans are the great enablers.
I hate to say it but Liverpool are in danger of becoming the new Manchester United, but only in terms of the constant whining, moaning and complaining about everything under the sun.
As I said, it's depressing.
NB. I am entitled to my opinion, and if anyone doesn't like it, then please feel free to stop visiting this site in future.
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Jaimie Kanwar
The pair clashed twice after the game, prompting Mancini to blast:
"Steven Gerrard can say what he wants.
"I said what I think. That is what I am used to doing.
"It is not important what Steven Gerrard or the other players have said."
Predictably, many Liverpool fans are lionising Gerrard for having a go at Mancini, but I don't see why he deserves any credit over this.
The City boss was being interviewed, and Gerrard clearly butted-in and started having a go at him. Even the interviewer said something along the lines of 'we're trying to have an interview here', after Gerrard's interruption.
Why is Mancini not allowed to give his opinion without being rudely accosted by Gerrard? Surely, he's entitled to his view?
And how exactly was Mancini - as Gerrard put it - 'trying to get Johnson sent off' AFTER the game had finished?!
We all know that Gerrard is close to United neanderthal Wayne Rooney, so his complaints about him were probably motivated by a perceived slight against his friend, rather than a rational response to a serious footballing issue.
Clear-headed, objective observers would probably agree that Johnson's tackle was bad, and possibly worse than Kompany's against Man United. Alas, many groupthink-afflicted Liverpool fans are not clear-headed, or capable of objectivity, and that's the problem.
IMO, Gerrard's behaviour is indicative of the belligerent, needlessly combative attitude instilled into the club by Kenny Dalglish over the last few months, and most recently typified by the antagonistic response to the Luis Suarez situation.
The victim complex is palpable at Anfield these days: Everyone is against Liverpool; there's always an agenda/ conspiracy; everyone needs to be slapped down; Liverpool players are beyond criticism and blah blah blah.
You just have to watch Kenny Dalglish's persistently pugnacious press conferences to see the victim complex in action. Last night, again, Dalglish was rude to the press after someone had the temerity to enquire about the current Andy Carroll transfer, and once again, it was totally uncalled for.
The worst thing about this is that many fans are encouraging this attitude at the club, and for me, that's depressing. As per usual, the fans are the great enablers.
I hate to say it but Liverpool are in danger of becoming the new Manchester United, but only in terms of the constant whining, moaning and complaining about everything under the sun.
As I said, it's depressing.
NB. I am entitled to my opinion, and if anyone doesn't like it, then please feel free to stop visiting this site in future.
Vehemently disagree by all means, but ANYONE who breaches the comment policy by posting personal insults/derogatory comments etc will be permanently banned.
Jaimie Kanwar
I quite like this site and its views, often one to quote and use the stats it posts because they're actually educated and not manipulated, but one think it lacks is a human side. I don't know the ins and outs of you as a person but being someone who plays football quite regularly, and have done all my life, I can lay testament that when on the pitch you don't act like the same person as you do in the office 9-5. Something primal takes over in what is basically a contest, an adrenaline rush that any human would find hard to stop, and this often carries on after the game. I've known lads who don't speak for entire games and then get tackled badly and react in a rage fit for the UFC ring.
ReplyDeleteHuman emotion is part of the game, be it right or not, trying to understand it and not brush it off as a disgrace or the likes is something you should try and harness more often. After such a good victory against top of the league I imagine Gerrard's mind was still very much in the frame of fighting the battle on the pitch and that has simply spilled over here.
Footballers should NOT be a childs role model, nor should they have to set a precedent to anyone, that should be the job of a parent. If your childs role model is not you first and someone else second, then you're doing it wrong.
i totally agree with you jaimie, but i did hear that they were arguing coming off the pitch and walking down the tunnel so maybe gerrard was just replying to whatever was said then although it was wrong of him to butt in on the interview like he did.
ReplyDeletetotal pleb ye im on about you jamie u pleb ban me
ReplyDeletego and support a different team you sad bell end
ReplyDeleteGood points, Young Warthog. I totally agree that things are different in a game situation/post-match, but Gerrard is the captain, he should surely know better. I don't recall Gerrard ever having a go at another manager (publicly) like that before.
ReplyDeleteI genuinely believe that it's a result of the needless siege mentality at Liverpool right now. It seems KD has got everyone thinking that the whole world is against Liverpool, so players feel it's okay to lash out at anyone they like.
Has there be a positive result to this? No - it's just given the press another stick with which to beat Liverpool. Just look at the headlines today - Gerrard vs. Mancini is the top story everywhere.
Congratulations on such a balanced view, considering the emotions here it would have been easy to be less than agnostic. Your humilty is refreshing and dare I say it, your views are entriley spot on.
ReplyDeleteSorry, if I could understand that tortured syntax I might be able to respond.
ReplyDeleteevery think you post is an will always be a load of shit you giant bum
ReplyDeleteJamie - your English is excellent - but please refrain from beginning sentences "As I said". If you have said it, then it doesn't need repeating.
ReplyDeleteLol Gerrard was just pointing out that Mancini is contradicting himself.. This victim complex rubbish makes me laugh. Try not to make it so obvious that you hate liverpool in your articles because this really was a waste of my time.
ReplyDeleteI agree, as a Liverpool fan I see a lot of hypocrisy. If a Liverpool player does something then there's always an excuse and the fans will support it. Glen Johnson won the ball clearly, but it was two footed, if he mistimed it he could have hurt Joleon badly.
ReplyDeleteSteven Gerrard had his time of speak to the interviewer and it was very rude to interrupt Mancini in the middle of the interview. How would Liverpool fans react if Mancini butted in Gerrards interview? You see the point I'm making?I find Kenny very annoying at times, his interviews sometimes makes me switch off, when something bad is said about Liverpool he seems not to use common sense but uses his passion of the club to cloud his judgement. And this whole "Liverpool way" thing is getting old. Maybe so back then, not now its not realistic.
Liverpool is not special, is not better than another club, they make mistakes like anyone else. Stop putting Liverpool to such a high pedestal where denial creeps in when something does not seem in place.
Also, Andy Carroll -_-! Couldn't really do any more than he did yesterday keeping in mind we defended most of the second half, but sense it's only the 1st leg then I don't mind too much. However, his first touch is bad........
Ps I commendted on Benitez's website and he personally replied to me :0D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, it does need repeating otherwise people accuse me of trying to state opinion as fact. That has happened so many times that I have no choice but to make things as clear as possible.
ReplyDeleteAgree Stevie G should not have interrupted Mancini's interview but I do think Stevie has a valid point. Mancini obviously feels Kompany's tackle was a good one or else he wouldnt have sanctioned an appeal. Johnsons tackle was almost the same so in Mancinis eyes it shouldnt be a card......Mancini was angry at the refereeing inconsistancy....not the tackle as such but he should be highlighting this to the press, not waving a card for Johnson on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteFeel sorry for Kompany. Its going to get to a point where the only way a team can turnover the ball is if they touch the opposing player with a leg shaped sponge. The F.A. say two-footed challenges are dangerous....but so are overhead kicks, will they be banned too? Football is a contact sport and long may it stay this way.......
p.s. sticking up for your team mates doesnt always mean a "victim complex" is in the offing, good managers use this as a way of building team spirit and a them vs us attitude...it works for Utd, why not us?
Please don't ban him Jaimie, his abuse is like none I've seen in a long while, to deprive us of it would be nothing short of criminal :)
ReplyDeleteYoung Warthog, very good and reasonable comment. Agree with you...However what Gerrard did is still very rude. And I also agree that Footballers should not be viewed as role models, because clearly most of them are uneducated.
ReplyDeleteThey are no different to your neighbours, simply their means of income is playing football.
Did Mancini wave a card at Johnson from the sidelines? I don't remember that. Do you have any evidence for that by any chance?
ReplyDeleteMancini waved the card in Liverpool's last game, and apologised afterwards, but I don't think he did in last night's game.
Re the United comparison: Man U are arguably the most hated, despise football team in European football, and a big part of that is their constant bitching about everything. Is that the way you want Liverpool to be perceived?
Kanwar slagging Steven Gerrard is topical from an idiot hated by most LFC fans. There again he's also berated the victims of Hillsborough for watching games on TV. Jamie; you're a complete scumbag.
ReplyDeletei wonder why they think alot of people against them do you not read the papers or are you a fa fan
ReplyDeleteyour a fucking muppet, liverpool the new united? get a grip u stupid cunt, future refrence ,just post the audio and keep ur stupid opinion too youself ye twat.
ReplyDeleteComments must be approved?! No wonder; the vast majority of comments from genuine LFC supporters would be putting Kanwar in his rightful place; under a stone.
ReplyDeleteThe main thing is, if the team performs on the pitch, the media can say whatever they like. I know that the only people who are affected by the media are the public, not those within the clubs. They all just use them to their own benefits.
ReplyDeleteI don't like how Dalglish talks sometimes myself, the whole "didn't see it thing" was just childish beyond belief, why he can't just say "it was silly and we'll talk to Glen internally" is beyond me. He definitely has the attitude that nobody says anything bad about LFC because they've got no right to, but it seems to have the dressing room united, which is only a good thing I suppose.
As far as I see it Gerrard is annoyed at the hypocrisy he believes Mancini is showing. Gerrard has just been told something out of context by a BBC reporter (trying to insight a strong response) and has been lead to believe Mancini was making a comment about Johnson being sent of, as opposed to what I believe, which is he was commenting on the inconsistency of refereeing. In this instance I can understand why Gerrard acted as he did.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the tackle goes however I do not believe it was a red (and I'm offended if you think this makes me simply a product of group think) Kompany's was complicated, I don't think it was a red but I can see why people do, but the argument that he, in that case Nani, only avoided being injured because he jumped out the way, can't be applied here. In this instance this would have never injured Lescott because he didn't try in any way to avoid it, so the ultimate contact that could happen did happen.
I would argue also due to proximity that this was more of an interception then a tackle as the ball wasn't at Lescotts feet when contact was made.
Finally I don't believe there was any 'intent' from Johnson to injure as his target on the trajectory he took was never going to be Lescott (see the fact that by the time Lescott got there his foot met the thigh of Johnson this is a lot different to when players go in two footed when the ball and the player are inhabiting the same trajectory.
In conclusion I appreciate your opinion (except your sweeping belief all against you in this case are products of group think) and I hope you appreciate my opinion as well. equally I think the football community needs to stand up together to stop this snowballing issue around tackling which I think is getting out of hand, for that reason and that reason alone I can understand any annoyance Gerrard would feel toward what he perceived Mancini was contributing to at the time.
An Objective Liverpool Fan
Yes, you've outed me as an 'Fa fan'. Bravo!
ReplyDeleteHere's my take on this. Firstly, Gerrard shouldn't have interrupted the interview. Secondly, If Kompany got sent off, so too should have Glenno
ReplyDeleteMy actual thoughts: Kompany should never have even had a foul against him, that was a genuine tackle. Mancini should just stfu. He waves imaginary cards, he then moans about Rooney doing it? Hypocrisy! Gerrard was sticking up for his team mates, showing to the rest of the team just why he is captain!
Thing is, I have no idea how Kompany's red wasn't overturned. Why is it 4 games anyway? As Lee Dixon said last night, it's soon going to be a foul to tackle. What have the FA done to the game? Might switch my attention to lower league where you're allowed to tackle to get the ball, even if you do accidentally touch the man.
FdotM? What are you talking about, if he got it wrong, he could have seriously hurt him? That's consistent with every tackle you put in. Go up for a header and land down on top of someone, you could potentially break their neck. It's not a non-contact sport, but people like you who most probably wince when you see to players running shoulder to shoulder make it less so.
Hello folks! Food win last night. I watched this on tele Jaimie and have to say your a bit wrong on some things. Gerrard was told that Mancini had said Johnson should have been off. So Gerrard said its wrong of Mancini to try and get Johnson sent off. So 'into trouble' an sent off are a bit wrong, but once again the bbc1 crew sort of coerced him into a debate, He interrupted Mancini's second interview, but I DO think it was a dangerous tackle, and I DO think he's also sticking up for Rooney too. I actually like this siege mentally and I like the way all of our players and management seem to stick up for each other. I love all the group hugs a team camaraderie that seemingly had under Mourinho
ReplyDeleteas Gerrard put it 'Trying to get Johnson sent off'
ReplyDeleteNice to see you mis-quoted. He said trying to get Johnson into trouble.
If you're going to quote someone at least get it right...
Jaimie when I want to correct my spelling mistakes on here as I do a few on my iPhone it won't let me, is this something to do with the site or my phone? 'food win' lol.
ReplyDeleteWise up gerrard can say what he wants hes the best player in the league and the best english footballer in history. Come on you super reds
ReplyDeleteTV interview, Stevie was told Mancini thought it was a red card and Johnson should of been sent off ,Stevie made a point of Mancini had been
ReplyDeletemoaning about Rooney trying to get Kompany sent off and now he his trying to get our player into trouble.
FA aren't going to take any action against Johnson for the tackle.Thought the players would be keeping a low profile and do the talking on the pitch which they did last night, but that doesn't seem to be happening with Downing arrested and this spat with Stevie.
came across this via newsnow, i don't normally go hunting for other teams fan blogs. Shocked by the balanced and rational arguments posited, both by the author and respondents (apart from one obvious noodle), don't get that very often online ;)
ReplyDeleteThere's been a fair bit in the press today about Mancini wanting to get Johnson in a spot of bother. That isn't the case as far as I can tell. BobbyManc is using this situation to highlight the appalling inconsistency of reffing decisions (did you see what I did there ? ).
The irony of your post is hilarious. Here's a thought: Why don't you LISTEN TO THE AUDIO CLIP before spouting your mouth off? It's in the article. Gerrard clearly states 'you trying to get Johnson sent off'. Go and listen, then come back and tell me I misquoted.
ReplyDeletekind of off topic (a bit), any Li'poo fans surprised or embarrassed by the refs (mason?) cosy little BFF act throughout the match with Gerrard ? I'm sure I spotted them cupping at one point.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Chucky, but if you listen to the audio clip in the article, Gerrard clearly states at 0.11:
ReplyDelete"And you try and get Johnson sent off".
I saw the both interviews on BBC One last night. I thought interviewer was trying to stir things up. He asked questions in a manner kind of he was putting words in the mouth of Mancini and SG.
ReplyDeleteI am not saying it is only him to blame but I didn't like the way he was imposing his opinions rather stick to his job. Overall British Media has gone down to gutter in every aspects recently.
What can you expect when majority of media is controlled by people like Rupert Murdock. At least BBC should not join other masses of media.
Chucky - are you saying there's no 'edit post' on the site? There should be. Let me know and I'll look into it. Cheers.
ReplyDeleteJamie. I've been a LFC fan for over 40 years. I've been saying for the last ten how our younger fans remind me of how Man U fans were in the 70s and 80s - arrogant & bitter. There's too much whinging about the referee, the opposition and especially Man U, and now Dalglish as turned into one, too.
ReplyDelete"The Liverpool Way" was about going about your business with dignity and treating the opposition with respect.It was about minding your own business and not worrying about what tricks anyone else tried to play. Brian Clough understood it. He ALWAYS told his players to be respectful to referees. They followed his instruction and very few ever got booked and it helped them get the benefit of the doubt in contentious decisions, like the 78 League Cup Final replay for example.
Benitez turned the club into a laughing stock and Dalglish and those fans are carrying it on.
Better news Stevie has signed a new contract extension.
ReplyDeleteYou always label your comments as being objective and not like the groupthinking supporters!! you go to great lengths to debate issues where others deem you as negative and as you keep saying this is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. Fair point but your opinion of the Johnson tackle I know your are a clear armchair fan who has never kicked a ball before. Never during the whole phase of that tackle was Lescott in danger of any harm and the whole of the ball was won. End of the matter, good refereeing, it is not right to compare the tackles as many referees would not have sent off Kompany, different people interpret things differently so can have their opinions. i love LFC with all my heart and can sometimes be over defensive and when the club is in turmoil try to stick together but that is why LFC fans stand out.
ReplyDeleteBut you sound so much like a true objective journalist and have no allegiance to LFC, you know how fans are likely to react to your objectivity and IMO often daft comments as you threaten to bar any fan who abuses your comments, they are only voicing their opinions!!!
Hey mate - great post. Totally agree with every word. Dalglish and the fans are cultivating this ridiculous victim complex right now, and it's damaging to the club overall. Just a cursory glance at LFC forums on the net tells you everything you need to know about the new generation of fan: as you say: bitter, arrogant, unrepentently biased about everything; happy to accept cheating if it furthers the cause; complaining about every little decision as if the world is conspiring against Liverpool; totally devoid of humility and rational thought; wrapped up in a needless siege mentality, and oftentimes, these things are being orchestrated by the man who is supposed to embody everything positive about the 'Liverpool Way'. It's sad.
ReplyDeleteHey James - thanks for the great points. I definitely appreciate your opinion. I don't think every fan is afflicted by the groupthink phenomenon, but many undoubtedly are. Clearly, you;re not one of them, which is refreshing.
ReplyDeleteIn his interview he said trying to get Johnson into trouble, stop picking out every other sentence as that is what they actually think or mean, do you not understand that footballers are not always the brightest therefore sometimes say things that they didnt mean to say.
ReplyDeleteGerrard is a fighter, he has been out for a year and hes probably got a lot of frustration in him which needs to be released and as said hes a fighter and its that fighting spirit that makes him the player he is and the reason we have had reasonable success in the last ten years since he's been around. I for 1 wouldn't swap him for anybody and wouldnt like him to change!!!
Also Jaimie its like a previous article about hart and Reina, crikey a massive debate over what he meant, did he mean england #1 or best in england........Who cares. What also made me llaugh was you state about its funny seeing the denial in fans already talking about how he's englands #1 then you state all he was saying is that Hart is SLIGHTLY better than Reina, where did you get that from?? You actually used the word SLIGHTLY, So pot kettle black me thinks? Where do you get your ego from for slagging off liverpool fans all the time. What happened to the principles of liverpool football club and the you'll never walk alone???
Then you actually claim on another article about aldo's comment about Aurelio leaving was a slip of the tongue yet somehow you claim that Clarke's wasnt. How? did he tell you. You constantly remind everyone about your critical realism but your only really set out to wind liverpool fans up, your basically the web version of talksport. You sensationalise and probably sit back and get your kicks from the angry reactions.
Who cares if most fans blindly follow their club through thick and thin and dont like when a bad word is said against them, thats why we all love football so much.
Just support the team, whats wrong with that!
PS get over Benitez, he's gone and has been for a while now. You must be a very lonely man Jaimie. Is this why you provoke and antagonise on this site because you are lacking in human interaction or were you bullied at school?
PPS Hart is better than Reina, i havent seen him make ridiculous mistakes but dont get me wrong Reina is still quality!!
PPPS wonder how long this stays on the site before being deleted. You dont like people pointing out your slip ups do you.
PPPPS yes i was one of the fans that completly believed BRUNO CHEYROU was going to be the next Zinedine Zidane until he left, then i laughed and i now fully behind Andy Carroll to prove his doubters wrong even though he seems to get worse everytime i see him.
Where is your proof that Man Utd are argubly the most hated despised team in european football, what brings you to this conclusion
ReplyDelete+ the guy above meant in the last liverpool game he waved a card, then he had a go at rooney trying to get kompany sent off and then last night trying to get Johnson in trouble. Hypocrisy?
ReplyDeleteDanielLFC- I suggest reading that section of my comment again. I stated that it was a "two footed challenge" which increases the risk of a serious injury both the the tackler and the opposing player. Notice, an increase, meaning the probability of getting injured is much higher than the acceptable and common tackles.
ReplyDelete2 footed challenges are frowned upon for reason.Obviously every tackle and header has a degree of risk, this is common knowledge, I don't know why you felt the need to highlight it.
But whatever makes you feel happy inside.
Haha groupthink phenomenon - just because people have different views doesnt give you the right to slag anybody off.
ReplyDeletePeople who listened to the interview on BBC last night quite clearly heard Gerrard say get Johnson into trouble. So get off your high horse your using a different interview clip
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should take your own advice about derogatory comments and ban yourself from the site?
ReplyDeletemaybe you should take your own advice and ban yourself for derogatory comments.
ReplyDeleteyou did respond by saying sorry??
ReplyDeleteLiverpool is not special?We aren't better then any other club though. To many games in our history point to we are special! Greatest UEFA,FA CUP and Champions League Final to many special nights to mention at Anfield under those flood lights which have brought so much enjoyment to fans to say Liverpool isn't special. Even last nights game against City stopping them scoring at home for the first time this season! We don't deserve special treatment from the FA and I don't think we do, Stevie should of not butted in but these things happen in football.
ReplyDeleteWas I referring to that clip? No. The clip to which I refer is IN THE ARTICLE, and Gerrard clearly says 'get Johnson sent off'. I'm not interested in the other clip as that is not the subject of this article.
ReplyDeleteAs I state at the end of the article: I don't care if people disagree; I welcome it, as long as they do so in a civil manner. If people can't construct an argument without resorting to derogatory comments then they're not welcome on this site.
ReplyDeleteI defend LFC in my own way, and the hundreds of articles I've written about the club prove that (take, for example, my many posts about the Suarez situation).
Just because I don't take part in collective mob mentality doesn't mean I have no allegiance to LFC. There is more than one way to show support.
I rarely go to the official forum. I don't watch the TV channel either for the same reasons - the only time you hear any sense on there is if Roy Evans, Jan Molby, John Barnes or Ronnie Whelan is on. I've a lot of time for Brian Reade, too, but even he can get caught up in 'the party line' sometimes.
ReplyDeleteIF the FA has it in for Liverpool, it's thanks to Benitez's "facts". Dalglish is just pouring fuel on the fire. Their outbursts have changed nothing.
I half expect J.W & his good lady wife to be over for the Man U game at Anfield. Bet he will have a few things to say about recent events - behind closed doors. This kind of publicity is not good for brining in investment. Wouldn't surprise me if one or two MAJOR changes happen by the end of the month.
carroll's useless
ReplyDeletekick it out campaign against andy carroll
ReplyDeletefootball against carroll
ReplyDeleteMancini wasn't waving imaginary cards this time, but he was all over the 4th official, shouting at him and demanding something.
ReplyDeleteGerrard shouldn't have interrupted the interview. Mancini's point was the inconsistency of refereeing, not that he had anything against Glen Johnson personally. Yes, there is a huge inconsistency, and we've been complaining about that too, but people were telling us not to moan. Now that they experience same inconsistency and we tell them they are moaning, we are like moaning about them moaning.
I agree.
ReplyDeleteGerrard should not have interrupted the interview, that's just bad manners. I think he has a point, though.
FWIW going by the letter of the law both tackles are red cards, however, since neither caught the player and both won the ball... where's the line? Then if you add the recent Jay Spearing red, where he did contact the player, after the ball admittedly... Souness, McMahon, Tommy Smith, Whelan all used to go in harder than these challenges and rarely injured anyone. It seems to me the more they earn the less they earn it.
By the way, why did Kompany get 4 game ban? Straight red is 3 games, isn't it?
Any club has fans like that in football now with the media hype,that is what Blatter wants and why TV replays are not used in football so fans are still talking or moaning about a decision years later ! Liverpool Way Kenny talks about can't happen with all the TV ,radio and press interviews most of them are pointless how many times can the same question be asked after a game in a week or year just hoping they will get the manager to crack and have ago!
ReplyDeleteKenny does need to bite his tongue or let Clarke stand in like Fergie does,don't forget he was boycotting the BBC! So should of Stevie last night who started the stirring between Stevie and Mancini! I can't really think of that many serious talking points this season where the players have let themselves
down may be the Fulham game after Spearings sending off but they thought it was a good tackle! Of cause Suarez I think that has caused enough hatred in our own fans without worrying about any other club.
LOL
ReplyDeleteDidn't see that... if I was the cynical type, I'd be wondering why you (I'm assuming you're a blue - always a pleasure) haven't got the refs on board, what with all that dough and an Italian manager? ;)
I've always had a soft spot for Man City - a great Uncle played for them in the 1920s & I've a couple of mates who played for them in the 50s & 80s. Don't let money and success change the kind of fans you are.
Jaimie, firstly I think most of your articles are very good but often your opinion is very negative, one sided and opinionated with regard to the actions of LFC. I agree it was rude of Gerrard to but in on the interview but he was obviouslt aggrieved. I know Man City fans who agree that Gerrard had a valued point! Mancini is seen all too often gesturing for cards to be shown, he did against Man Utd, Spurs and the more recent 3-0 defeat of Liverpool. Then he publically criticises Rooney for doing the same last week. He then does exactly that in the tunnel as players are coming off the pitch full of adrenaline. He could have held his tounge until the time was right or shared his concerns with the FA in a correct manner. I'm not blindly defending Gerrard but I think theres two sides to every story.
ReplyDeleteIt was because of the TV interviews why they were arguing and you have a post to write about!
ReplyDeleteMancini wouldn't of been waving an imaginary card because he got pulled up on it last week when Skrtel brought down Toure and he was caught doing it!
ReplyDeleteI mean BEFORE that interview when he was interviewed on bbc1. So I presume when he talks about that to Mancini I think during the game Mancini was going mad at the fourth official tryin to get Johno sent off. I am objective Jaimie an Stevie shoulda waited til the interview was over, but the interviewers cause trouble, they didn't need to mention what Mancini said when after they first interviewed him did they? As for the editing, it lets me open up the edit, but won't function when I press delete on my phone or try an add words.
ReplyDeleteyour true personality shows up on the field. if you are suggesting that a rush of adrenaline during a game or in the heat of the moment excuses you from emotional control, you should take a look at all the great athletes or soldiers in the world, who are put under great pressure to perform and deliver. it is one thing to defend yourself if confronted or attacked, another to lose your cool from getting fouled. that's just poor self control. as the mantra goes, if you can dish it out, you should be willing to take it as well. mistakes happen on the field/court, and the offender gets punished for it. take it on the chin, and if you need to, let the offending player know that you are no pushover by dishing it back to him without being vicious about it.
ReplyDeleteyou are young (or at least you give the impression you are), so learn and just observe the great players and follow them. you are, unfortunately (in this instance), how you play.
I like how you kept having a sly pop at the Mancs in your article JK, even though this article is supposed to be about Mancini, Gerrard and Liverpool in general. Very classy (!) and not very different from your complaints about Dalglish and Liverpool (such as the statement where the club were implying that rivals would do such charges on purpose to get important players banned for long time). Odd consistency.
ReplyDeleteI think LFC4Life was just pointing out the fact not everybody listens to the clip you have on the ARTICLE, just those who watched it on the tele heard him say trouble not sent off, calm down lad
ReplyDeleteHaving a 'sly pop' at United is every Liverpool fan's job. It's in our DNA. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteLike your thinking mate. I also think Stevie might have had in his mind the disgraceful "card waving" by Mancini at Skrtel when he gave the pen away last week. I would call that hypocrisy. I agree that Kenny's smart alec responses are usually cringeworthy, although sometimes they are very funny!
ReplyDeleteNo, LFC4life is troll who spams the site with abuse (you just don't see it because all his abusive comments are caught by the spam filter)
ReplyDeleteStill Rafa gets the blame how pathetic can you be.Maybe if your precious Dalglish hadnt poured scourn on Evras initial complaint we might not have been in this mess in the first place.Rafa would have sorted that episode out a lot better than King kenny.There was none of this flippant attitude with the players or manager under Rafa,and I suppose its Rafas fault KK has wasted £130m on flops and his goal is now the poxy league cup.
ReplyDeleteKompany's second red card of the season got him an extra game ban.
ReplyDeleteHi Jaimie.. are you the same person who did the kopsearch website?
ReplyDeletehttp://whois.domaintools.com/kopsearch.co.uk
That was a great little site, well done
Fair point but in a roundabout way, consistent with the behavior you dislike about Pool, the fans and KK of late. Practice what you preach, I say.
ReplyDeleteSo Jaimie you think it's okay for newspapers,TV,radio and web sites to print a story that Carroll is returning to Newcastle and it's a done deal?
ReplyDeleteThought you didn't like these false transfer rumours?
Newcastle,Liverpool and is agent saying Carroll isn't moving any where and there is no truth in it. Most probably been the worse story of this transfer window along with everyone selling Darren Bent to us, but Villa!
More crap being slung at Carroll but Kenny should take it on the chin!
I'll spread the word on RAWK & RAOTL & SOS about this great site and the one you did before... keep up the good work
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should try to ban people who write things you don't like on your comments pages.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ban me, LOL!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WT-pNYPYE4g
ReplyDeleteAndy Carroll SCORING in more ways then one!
What about me being entitled to the opinion that Jaimie Kanwar is a fucking cunt?!
ReplyDeletethink it's a case of Media having the knives out for liverpool over their public backing of Suarez.
ReplyDeleteI mean the Gerrard row with Manseedy made it on the beeb 6 o'clock news!
This could work in our favour as Kenny can use this as leverage to motivate his players.
Mourinho is the master at it.
Am I entitled to my opinion that Jaimie Kanwar is a fucking cunt?
ReplyDeleteAm I entitled to my opinion that JaimieKanwar is a fukking kunt?
ReplyDeleteJA1MIE KANW4R IS A FUKCING KUNNT
ReplyDeleteDoes anybody have a clue what Mancini said at 0.14 of the audio?
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHA, GO ON BAN ME YOU STUPID TWATT
ReplyDeleteI'll just keep coming back every day to make valid comments
ReplyDeleteMancini agrees he says okay yes yes! Okay yes yes I was trying to get Johnson sent off! So Gerrard was right then Mancini was trying to get Johnson a red Card no complex, good job the ref saw it!
ReplyDeleteI think he says Rossa which is RED in Italian!!!!!!
ReplyDeletewat crap sorry. things were a lot different when it used to be "the liverpool way"
ReplyDeleteget with the times.how can you not even appreciate wat raffa done at all? and dalglish has done to recover the club?
as for brian clough, wat a great. but respect referees was maybe the only people he did show respect.
todays refs are total sh#te and badly inconsistant.
your a joke to claim our younger fans are arrogant and bitter.
because you claim to have followed the club for 40 years and agree with jk, dont make you right.
fans like you make us a laughing stock
i think as usual people are trying to find any excuse to have a go at liverpool, the usual who do they think they are is coming to the bsurface. If any one walks past some one saying something about their friend, they would say something to defend them. In this Mancini is a hypocrite, appealing Kompanys sending off ( i do not think myself that it was a sending off), he then slates another player for similar tackle. He cant have it both ways. Also from what i hear on the above interview Gerrard states this in a calm voice giving his opinion...remember democratic society
ReplyDeleteI wasn't being serious. Next time I'll put a smiley face next to my sentence to make it clear.
ReplyDeletein my opinion mancini didnt deserved to be interrupted in the interview, but i think he brought it on himself when he attacked lfc three times in afortnite through the access of the public media firstly waving card to martin skytel,secondly trying to tell lfc how to handle the suarez situation,thirdly trying to get johnson in further trouble.lets not forget he isnt the ref,secondly he is not an employee of lfc,and has no right in telling other clubs how they should handle thier own affairs, and thirdly stevie g has always been a fan first before being a pro footballer,hes loved lfc for all his life,with whats been said in public by mancini,and his actions on and off the field regarding lfc,any neutral fan can excuse him for defending the club that he loves .wouldnt you if your loved ones was getting attacked?
ReplyDeletePoor first touch? Only under the kind of pressure he received during that game. Carroll has the best first touch of all our current strikers, maybe not forwards if you want to include Maxi. He may be a little clumsy and very lost, but if you watch him closely every game, he has a very good first touch.
ReplyDeleteAs to Gerrard and Kenny, I won't comment on their common sense or manners, but what makes them so special is their ridiculous commitment to the club. I don't think anyone of us, especially the more rational ones, will ever defend the club with the same passion as Kenny and Gerrard. They may not be bigger than the club, but the club is big because of them.
Champions League football 5 seasons out of 6, winning it once and being runner-up once. Our highest points tally in the premier league era. Rafa was a clown...
ReplyDeleteI love Villa, they're the only ones who don't want us to get Bent over.
ReplyDeleteThat's insulting behaviour with a reference to our colour! It's an 8 match ban!
ReplyDeleteThat won't happen! It's not a Liverpool player :)
ReplyDeleteGerrard sticking up for Rooney!
ReplyDeleteI totally agree, our team's behaviour is starting to get ridiculous. The siege mentality might get us a few more points at the end of the season but i do think there are lines that should not be crossed. Gerrard's complaints do not make any sense because Mancini a) said that the tackle was worse, not that he thought that Johnson should be sent off and b) was not waving his arms around like a looney, in the way Rooney was. Besides, you cannot get someone sent off for comparing two events after the match. Rooney was at the referee as soon as Kompany made the tackle on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteI cannot accept that, at 100k per week, that we should swallow the old chesnut that people do things out of character once the game starts. Self control is an important part of football and is what these guys are paid for.
Where were all the City fans nearly 10k from capacity?
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