After Liverpool's nightmare season on and off the pitch last year, it came as no surprise when Kenny Dalglish left the club in May. Most objective Reds fans would probably agree that FSG made the right decision in relieving Dalglish of his duties, but in an interview yesterday, Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard publicly questioned the decision.
Speaking to the Daily Mail, Gerrard gave his views on Dalglish's departure, and no matter what way you try and spin it, his words constitute a veiled criticism of FSG's decision. He said:
"At the end of last season, I didn't think that [changes needed to be made].
"We had done so well in the cups. I thought we would have improved. So when Kenny left it was a big shock and disappointment"
The only thing that's 'a big shock and disappointment' here is Gerrard's continued willingness to accept mediocrity. This is nothing new, though. Last season, Gerrard stated that he would rather win the Carling Cup than finish in the Champions League places:
"As a player I don’t want to be saying I finished in the top four, four or five times. I want to look back and say I won the Carling Cup three times. Or four. Or five"
This rather self-serving view that is diametrically opposed to the club's overall direction under FSG, and ignores Liverpool's long-standing philosophy of prioritising league performance above all else.
I personally find it disturbing that Gerrard believes that changes did not need to be made after last season (!) How can anyone with the club's best interests at heart truly believe that?
It's regrettable that Dalglish suffered the ignominy of being sacked, and I wish that his departure had been more amicable, but even the most blinkered fan could see that the club was going nowhere in the league.
Gerrard is Liverpool's captain, and he should surely be prioritising the overall progress of the club? Instead, Gerrard continues to make excuses for mediocre league performance; and bolstering his own personal medal collection seems to be more important than securing much-needed finance for the club via Champions League qualification.
Thankfully, John Henry doesn't share Gerrard's view. This week, he made it clear that Kenny would've left even if Liverpool had secured the FA Cup:
"The FA Cup would not have made any difference had he won it, no, no. We were 17th (in the form table) over the second half of the season and Liverpool should not be in that position"
Ironically, for a comparative outsider, Henry seems to have a better appreciation of the club's goals than Liverpool-born Gerrard. The league is always the top priority. Indeed, as Bill Shankly once said, it's the club's 'bread and butter', and that must always be the case.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of Gerrard, but here's hoping that the Captain is on the same page as Henry and Shankly next season.
Jaimie Kanwar
Speaking to the Daily Mail, Gerrard gave his views on Dalglish's departure, and no matter what way you try and spin it, his words constitute a veiled criticism of FSG's decision. He said:
"At the end of last season, I didn't think that [changes needed to be made].
"We had done so well in the cups. I thought we would have improved. So when Kenny left it was a big shock and disappointment"
The only thing that's 'a big shock and disappointment' here is Gerrard's continued willingness to accept mediocrity. This is nothing new, though. Last season, Gerrard stated that he would rather win the Carling Cup than finish in the Champions League places:
"As a player I don’t want to be saying I finished in the top four, four or five times. I want to look back and say I won the Carling Cup three times. Or four. Or five"
This rather self-serving view that is diametrically opposed to the club's overall direction under FSG, and ignores Liverpool's long-standing philosophy of prioritising league performance above all else.
I personally find it disturbing that Gerrard believes that changes did not need to be made after last season (!) How can anyone with the club's best interests at heart truly believe that?
It's regrettable that Dalglish suffered the ignominy of being sacked, and I wish that his departure had been more amicable, but even the most blinkered fan could see that the club was going nowhere in the league.
Gerrard is Liverpool's captain, and he should surely be prioritising the overall progress of the club? Instead, Gerrard continues to make excuses for mediocre league performance; and bolstering his own personal medal collection seems to be more important than securing much-needed finance for the club via Champions League qualification.
Thankfully, John Henry doesn't share Gerrard's view. This week, he made it clear that Kenny would've left even if Liverpool had secured the FA Cup:
"The FA Cup would not have made any difference had he won it, no, no. We were 17th (in the form table) over the second half of the season and Liverpool should not be in that position"
Ironically, for a comparative outsider, Henry seems to have a better appreciation of the club's goals than Liverpool-born Gerrard. The league is always the top priority. Indeed, as Bill Shankly once said, it's the club's 'bread and butter', and that must always be the case.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of Gerrard, but here's hoping that the Captain is on the same page as Henry and Shankly next season.
Jaimie Kanwar
It should be better for Steven Gerrard to focus on improving his personal performances on the pitch as well as of the rest of the team and give their hearts and souls in the field as LFC can become a title contender and stop making the expert where he shouldn't!
ReplyDeleteWe performed well last season, we just didn't finish our chances and we created a lot of them! Had we been clinical we'd have got top 4 easily. I agree with Gerrard on this I didn't feel a change was needed.
ReplyDeleteSo it's have a go at Gerard time again.
ReplyDeleteJesus, if you have nothing to add or can't hack fair criticism then please go elsewhere. This article is entirely fair; it's called critical realism. Any further pointless posts will be deleted.
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying you wish Dalglish was still in charge?
ReplyDeleteJamie Kanwar is a manc!
ReplyDeletehttp://scouse.forum-gratuiti.com/t598-jamie-kanwar
I've been suprised by countless very negative articles trying to 'Sh%t stir' a true Liverpool fan would never be so negative towards the club. I decided to google his name and found this link above (PS I bet this comment will be deleted!) Real Reds fans should not read/subscribe to this b%ll0cks!
Gerrard does not run a football club.He should keep his mouth shut on club decisions and policies. Nobody should publicly criticize their employer. Nowadays Footballers thin they are a special species. They can swear, Abuse fight, cheat and still get support. I think he is one of our best ever players, but where was he last season. he never turned up. How many shots did Gerrard try from out of the Penalty area?
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree with Gerrard. Last year, more times than not, we played some great football. All that was needed for this season was a bit of tweaking on the scoring front and a right winger.
ReplyDeleteThe CL is blown out of proportion. It's brilliant to win it but winning any silverware is fantastic. Memories are made from watching your team lift a trophy. They stay with you forever, unlike a 2nd,3rd or 4th placed position followed by a dismal run in the CL - ask Manc's if they will remember last season?
Top beaut u kanwar leg it ya nit
ReplyDeletehe says what he thinks and what i think 2...ty stevie...ynwa
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ReplyDeleteGerrard plays for himself, he's been off the boil for two years now. KD was his mate, BR won't standard for Stevie Me attitude and he knows it. JC will also be concerned about his own future. This is why the club needed a change from outside, BR will feel no obligation to the fading senior players that only want another fat contract.
ReplyDeleteHow the F$£K can Gerrard think we did well,i was at Wembley for the Milk cup final and we played absolute crap! I am worried that Gerrard has settled for mediocrity too.BR is a great choice and i love his style,so too will a lot of fans who had to watch that dire trollop we endured last season.I also watched a lot of matches live on tv and "on the web" and they made me cringe sometimes.Im relieved we have made a change.Sorry KK lovers he had to go.
ReplyDeleteabsolute bollox,we were going backwards.
ReplyDeleteA clubs all time record does not mention competitions played in only Leagues & Cups won as does a players. Gerrard is just pointing out in 30 years no one will give a hoot if we qualified for champions league but people will remember winning a cup FACT!
ReplyDeletecannot believe the crap iam reading on this site from so called fans to critisise gerrad and king kenny you dont deserve to call yourself fans.i thought the anthem was ynwa but it seems for some the words to our song should be rewritten to ynwa as long as we are winning ,get a grip or go and support some 1 else glory boys
ReplyDeleteWho are you to say stevie g has no right to voice his opinion.
ReplyDeleteIf you liked watching that crap,go watch Wigan, YNWA
ReplyDeleteNot for the first time you show your contempt for other people,s opinion
ReplyDeletedont think bill was out of order,pointless posts?who says there pointless you,so if we all kiss your ass everything will be fine if you want to critisise players and legends dont be offended if people want to disagree with your point of view mate
ReplyDeleteHe did;nt turn up he was injured most the season
ReplyDeleteStevie istanbul and so called fans say he wont be allowed an opinion
ReplyDeleteand this is what gerrard said yesterday."The players have got to think how I think and use the hurt of what happened to make up for last year. That is the only way you can do it," the skipper explained.
ReplyDelete"I can't speak for anyone else but if they ask for my opinion I would tell them to be patient. Obviously I am biased but I think playing Champions League football for this club would be more special than anywhere else. If we work hard enough and perform well enough it will come."
its not that SG doesent want to play Champ League but if he has a chance of winning a trophy instead of trying for 4th and not getting it then id go for a trophy.
you can argue both ways. arsenal havent won a trophy for 6+ years everyone keeps saying what have you won? I think we all want to be in the Champ league but sometimes its not possible.
Kenny made the biggest mistake on overspending on Carroll it does not matter how good he becomes he will never be a 35 mil player.Downing can be good enough to be atleast a 15 to 16 mil player.hendo will be good player plenty of time .adam is just a squad player.
don't get me wrong like big Andy but not at that price.
by the way its very rare you look for positives in a lfc player and brushing it of by saying "if u can't handle constructive criticisms then don't read it"
readers will read what they want and also make comments where they want . the fact is a lot of us get peed off by your constant moaning about an lfc players.
Id have been happy for Dalglish to stay in charge, before his last 10 games we were creating more chances and had the fewest chances on goal(so apart from finishing thats champions form!). Ironically it was the same time the press started to turn on him that he seemed to lose control. But he was exstreamly poor towards the end and I'm not hung up on him leaving, just wanted to put a few morons straight. Also When a legend f***s up, you show us real LFC fans some respect and you shut up while we let you wear our badge.
ReplyDeletehow can you end your post with ynwa it means througt the wind and rain not just in fair weather...like you
ReplyDeleteThis article contradicts the one you posted yesterday regarding Gerrard saying Liverpool are capable of challenging for 4th spot.
ReplyDeleteThe football played last season wasn't poor - it was the finishing that cost the team and Kenny errors were with his transfers and the players he had faith in let him down.
Surprised that he gives the poxy Carling Cup such meaning
ReplyDeleteThat quote does not exist. Where did you get it from? its been spliced together for different quotes. grim stuff.
ReplyDeleteThe actual quote is:
“Kenny knows himself that when Liverpool finish eighth, the owners and supporters are going to ask questions, everyone knows that. While there was shock and disappointment at the time, you understood the decision.
Liverpool were extremely unlucky last season and Dalglish should not have been sacked. The fact that Liverpool hit the post 33 times says it all really (Man City were second with 22). Carroll and Suarez are really to blame since there shots to goals ratio was appalling. JusIt think if we had scored with nine of those chances we would still be the team that hit the woodwork the most often but probably would have picked up enough points to finish 4th or 5th. That along with two cup finals is a fantastic season. I find it hard to believe real fans can say we went backwards last season (except for scoring :) ) I'll admit Liverpool were frustrating to watch but only because they dominated most of their games with attractive attacking football only to draw or lose. Check out the statistics if you don't believe me. We also had the most shots on goal; conceded the fewest shots on our goal than any other team, and had the 3rd best defensive record. Something was wrong but it wasn't Dalglish!
ReplyDeletea lot of your articles are questionable at best admitedly interpersed wi some relatively interesting & intelligent stuff. But those quotes are taken completely out of context at best and a straightforward misrepresentation of the interview at worst. New low.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason why stevie is talking that way is because is a player and nt a business man...the champions league qualifier stage alone generates more money to the club than the carling cup.. so if you were in the owners shoe,i am sure you would have done the same
ReplyDeleteAmazing what you can do by taking a few comments out of context and misinterpreting them. So Gerrard AT THE TIME of the sacking was disappointed and didn't think the change needed to be made. Where are the other quotes where he says that 8th was clearly not good enough? What about the quotes where he says we'll be back in CL football soon, where we belong? Or the simple acknowledgement that he actually says that he thought "we would improve". Not that the season was good enough, he very clearly explains elsewhere in the interview that it absolutely was not. No, he says that he think we WOULD have gotten better i.e. in the future. So all he really said was that he thought Kenny could have improved us simply by having another season in charge. Seeing as Kenny was his idol, his mentor, friend and manager, it's hardly a strange point of view to have. At the time Kenny was sacked, he still had confidence that Kenny could have done better the next season. So what? Naturally the owners didn't agree but why is it a problem? Gerrard has also gone on to give his total support to Rodgers, calling on the whole club to get behind him. He's already said how impressed he is and how he is looking forward to this next season. It's quite obvious to me that although SG was disappointed (at the time of the sacking, not now), he is none the less 100% behind the new direction of the club. Not to mention, it was Henry who said that finishing in the top 4 would not be our benchmark next season while Stevie G has asserted that he thinks we'll get there. Where we belong. To have read all of that and still find it appropriate to question whether Gerrard is actually on board with our new direction ... that just seems a bit dumb.
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ReplyDeleteStevie is entitled to his opinion. Whether you agree with him or not, that is up to you. People are still divided over Kenny's departure, but in the cold light of day LFC finishing 8th is not acceptable; and creating chances/hitting the woodwork is not a valid excuse. 8th is akin to being relegated. The Carling Cup was a non event and we were gifted that trophy by a very ordinary Cardiff - that should tell you a great deal about LFC last season! Then the FA Cup, we didn't play until Andy Carroll came on - 60mins of dross, AC should have started the game. Also Kenny did not give our youth a chance when our senior players under performed, something Brendan hopefully will not be guilty of. I have a feeling that BR will give the youngsters a fair go if the senior players drop their level of performance.
ReplyDeleteWell kenny wasted all that money on carrol, downing, henderson and adam which is why we don't have big money 2 spend. We finished 8th which is a joke esp after spending all that money! The suarez case that was handled awful by kenny should have just apoligised, no t shirts and shook his hand and put to bed. Plus I was always questioning kennys team selections as well I make that a complete cock up of the season and kenny had to go! Kenny will always be a legend but to me keeping him on as manager would be like keep playing a player who used to be excellent but is now shite ever game and can't find any form at all! I have high hopes in rodgers and think he will turn things around anyone who thinks kenny should have stayed is off their heads! Best intrests of the club always come first end of!
ReplyDelete"I didn't think that changes needed to be made. We had done so well in the cups. I thought we would have improved. So when Kenny left it was a big shock and disappointment"
ReplyDeleteThis quote is a lie. It was NEVER said.
Here Here! Oh sorry my pointless post may be deleted
ReplyDeleteAnother awful piece trying to make a mountain out of a molehill!
ReplyDeleteWill you ever write an article with something really positive to say that encourages players and fans alike. I respect your right to have an opinion, but please be balanced and not forever negative. We should also respect the fact that Stevie G can have an opinion and recognise that he is not an oratory genius.
ReplyDeleteHe was probably trying to walk a fine line between being loyal to the new management and showing some respect for a club legend. To some extent he had a point as we missed Lucas for much of the season, Suarez also, due to his bans and Gerrard. Add the supposed bad luck of forever hitting the woodwork and you can at least try to see where he's coming from.
I don't agree with his comment, but I understand how he may have come to it and wouldn't be too quick to pounce on his words after all the things that he's done for the club. Regarding his Carling Cup comments; well, yes, the history books will record the stats mainly, so winning things will in the long run, mean more than finishing fourth in the league each year, but winning nothing, no matter how rich you may become from Champions League revenue.
I don't believe for a minute that Gerrard doesn't want to win everything
I do believe that the combination of Kenny, Commoli and the new ownership somehow lead to serious errors in the transfer market, which left us with insufficient squad depth. To not have cover for Lucas was unforgivable and to me was more serious than any of the inflated prices that we paid for mainly Brit players. I believe that for thi, Kenny and Commoli paid with their jobs.
So, give Stevie G a break and try to see where he was coming from.
The only decision the got wrong is by not giving Rafa the second chance.
ReplyDeleteYou say Gerrard is being selfish wanting to boster his medal collection. But surely if Gerrard is wining more medals this means Liverpool are successful??
ReplyDeleteLiverpool needed to get back to winning ways, having not won anything since 2006. So I fully understand where Gerrard is coming from
It was really a sad day when Kenny left. The great man himself knew that his time was up after the FA cup. The sight of Kenny with shoulders slouched walking up the Wembley steps and walking past Owner Henry without giving him a look was just too painful for me. It is with heavy heart that I had to overcome the grief of seeing a legend leave. I went through the Kubler-Ross five stages of managing this grief over and over again in my head during this close season. It would take others a while longer to reach the acceptance level that we have a new manager and Kenny has left over the horizon. it is like breadth of fresh air for everyone concerned with the change in management and back room staff. The two friendly games have given me new hopes for the season. Stevie G can say all he wants but end of the day it is the players who must be responsible on the pitch. From the pictures and videos recently, we can already see the change in players' attidues. Gone are the big blue beach balls which gave the impression the players were lazing around. Now we see pictures of players involved in passing, two touch play and moving all the time and they look serious all the time. What Stevie could do from now is retire from International soccer and devote all his energies and effort into getting Liverpool into the top four. The reality is, he is not going to achieve anything with England in his playing career. With Kenny, Stevie did not have to show where his priorities were, but with Rodgers things are about to change. It is all simple from now, don't perform and you are out of the team, captain or not of England.
ReplyDeleteWinning trophies will always create a better camaradrie than finishing second third or fourth. Steven Gerrard is a tremendous player, captain and motivator of his players and supporters. Finishing in the top three will always generate more income for the club but that does not necessarily improve the teams performances.
ReplyDeleteIn my view it was a mistake to sack Kenny Dalglish and all supporters will have seen the fall-out from that. Liverpool could now be re-named (with the permission of the FA of course) Swanpool because Brendan Rodgers seems determined to siphon players from the Liberty Stadium to Anfield.
The secret of the 'Bootroom' was the continuity passed on from one Manager to the next with minimal disruption to the team. - One or two new players drafted in to refresh and it was back to business as usual.
Brendan Rodgers wants to dismantle everything and start with a clean sheet to impose his management style on a new group of players. How long will John Henry continue to fund his new manager when results are not forthcoming. I can see Liverpool sinking deeper in the mire as more money is spent on First Division players and Premier League players are moved on.
To Brendan Rodgers I say buy a couple of key players to improve your team and then show your skill as a coach. - Don't put the Reds in Stubbs Gazette!
It doesn't contradict anything. Gerrard's comments are factual; if they're inconsistent that's down to him, not me.
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No, you are wrong. Do some proper research please.
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Last year I think we did play some excellent football but ultimately failed to finish teams off. We ended up coming 8th and KD lost his job. KD had 18 months in the post and the board obviously thinks this is the right amount of time to get 4th; they even backed him a month before he was sacked. So what now? If BR does bring tika taka and free flowing football but it ends up with the same thing we come around 8th again, what do we do? Do we sack him or keep him?
ReplyDeleteI hope he succeeds but if he doesnt, will the board give him time? Probably not; as they are brilliant in the way they will back someone but then ruthlessly sack the lot.
Time will tell if BR will do well and I will give him my backing even if he did come 8th as i know managers need time to get it right.
This is why I would have not minded giving KD another season to try and convert the chances into goals.
In the opening 6 games of the season we have some tough ties, If we loose more than we win, I can bet my mortgage that on here the pitch forks will be out for BR.
People need to have a wake up call sometimes, the press where over hyping swansea by comparing them to Barca. Swansea come 12th and they where lucky at times. Plus it was their first season in the premiership, the acid test is always the 2nd season as teams will have looked at your players.
Fans need to be realistic, it is gonna take time and as for just coming 4th all of the time, ask Arsenal fans what it is like not to win anything at least last year we had hope right up until the end of the season. That has not happend in a long time; normally by christmas we are wanting to press the reset button!
why was my earlier comment about having to kiss your ass removed and dont say for bad taste as i was just using the same language you used to bill ward or is it one rule for you and one for everyone else
ReplyDeletehow was he shocked?
ReplyDeletesurely he of all people should know the expectations of the club.
an 8th place finish after the money fsg invested was a spectacular failure whether you are or aren't a kenny fan.
do you think Shankly would be satisfied with what we did last season? if so, he would not be a legend now... He built the legacy, and it was not based on mediocrity else we would have nothing to celebrate!
ReplyDeleteLiverpool weren't unlucky at all last season, they were consistent. Being unlucky is having a few times where things don't happen as you want them to in front of goal, but the teams inability in front of goal was a pattern.
ReplyDeleteHey Jamie.
ReplyDeleteGood article again...
I think it is more a shift in reallity than anything else, I believe he has made the decision never to think of leaving Liverpool again and he is getting used to what is going to be his last few years playing football.
Which i will end with it also brings up his ability to lead our great club, But to counter that would pose the question, Who else?
We are not as good as we think we are and Rodgers will right that wrong, Dalglish never believed there was a problem so why fix it?!?!?!
Gerrard should have been diplomatic and not picked sides.
Y.N.W.A!!!!!!
You should also acknowledge the fact that KD dismantled our team for his own disappointing players! He alienated Maxi, Kuyt, Meireles-the players who gave him a chance of being full time manager! add to that aquilani. Now tell me if we moved foward after he did that! He had his chance and MONEY and wasted it-that's how we became laughing stock for the likes of Newcastle and Spurs! Don't act like you don't see!
ReplyDeletesuccess does not come over night, kenny came and got us to 2 cup finals in 1 season and back into Europe, i think that is a great start, the players never played their best football in a lot of the games, when we did play, we where all over the other teams, our scoring let us down. Stevie g is only saying that dalglish deserved 1 more season. what might we have acheived. The players let kD down.
ReplyDeleteNowadays everybody seems to forget that when football clubs were formed years back it was NOT for MONEY but to enter competitions and WIN CUPS.... Thats the sole purpose of creating a football club. A football club is not a business, its about fun, support, enjoy, hobby not money making thing... We should not forget that.. Nowadays its a lot about money.. Jaimie, so you will create a football club to make money and not for playing in cups and trying to win it???? For an institution like LIVERPOOL money comes after winning cups not before.. You're not called a winner if you finish runners up in cups or second third fourth in the league....
ReplyDeleteSome people would rather see Liverpool under BR fail if it makes Dalglish look good and they call themselves the "REAL/TRUE" fans. We believe you, lol! A great man once said "No one is bigger than the club" and another used that statement when he couldn't fight for our best striker of the last couple of years, not knowing that it applies to everybody at the club!
ReplyDeleteJesus, Jaimie, do you always take one or two words that footballers say out of context and turn it into drama. Gerrard was shocked when his idol was let go as manager. People are shocked when stuff happens in life, if someone they know gets fired. That doesn´t imply that he accepts mediocrity. It just means he had a lot of respect for Dalglish and maybe felt he could have been given more time.He also admits that the league form cost Kenny the job. At the same time, he´s very positive about the new manager. What do you expect him to say? Kenny was a bad manager and I´m glad he got fired. Seriously. I generally read your articles, but sometimes I just can´t help commenting on them. I´d like to quote the previous poster "trying to make a mountain out of a molehill". Exactly.
ReplyDeletehaha post a link to your source. It certainly isn't from any interview on LFCTV.
ReplyDelete"Liverpool Football Club exists to win trophies". This was always the Liverpool mantra, yet like most other clubs it exists now to make money for shareholders. FSG would not mind if we never lift a trophy again as long as we are competing and keeping the money pouring in and the brand alive. Just like Arsenal, I doubt if Liverpool will ever see Wembley again or ever celebrate a cup win anywhere but we will still be classed as successful as long as we finish fourth and keep the sponsors happy. This isn't a criticism of FSG but a sad reflection on what our great game and our great football club has become.
ReplyDeleteRegardless I would not expect Gerrard to publicly say Kenny deserved to be sacked, even if he did, Kenny is a legend to both Gerrard and to LFC.
sorry about that,forgot you were judge and jury.
ReplyDeletei'll except mediocrity and look forward to the league cup.andy carroll is a goal machine and spearing is a midfield dynamo,he's the new makele.
too much?
yes he does because he's a superfan calling out the rest of us who dare question the mediocrity we saw in the league last season.
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ReplyDeletewhy are my comments removed you are like a spoilt brat..its my site and no one can disagree and no i am not going to be kissing your a$$
ReplyDeletewell said.
ReplyDeletethe players such as maxi and meireles who excelled under him when he took under were all left out in the cold.
starting henderson and dropping kuyt for 2 cup finals was bad management.
Stevie wants to look back on his career with as many cups and throphies as possible.4th is good for LFC financially but Steve thinks of his legacy only hence chasing 100 caps for England.He is very single minded like that!
ReplyDeletei agree with everything jaimie k has ever said he his god his word is law ....whats the point of having a comments page if we can only totally agree with you or get blocked
ReplyDeleteI think Stevie has EVERY right to have an opinion considering he has carried us almost single handedly for the last 10 years!
ReplyDeleteAnd i also think that had we had a striker who had hit the net consistently we would definately have been in the mix for the top 4, KK made huge mistakes in the market but he did let us attack...
ive seen plenty of your posts are you jaimie ks love child not superfan just loyal unlike you who just critisises every thing about the club we are years behind other clubs in the league and its not going to change over night
ReplyDeleteno buddy,i'm not his lovechild i just think that he makes valid arguments about lfc and doesn't engage in blind faith and that's why i like his site compared to some other bollock filled sites where you aren't allowed question a thing.
ReplyDeleteno but the great man is no longer with us rip but am glad he dosent have to read some of the crap what gets posted on here ps if shanks had been here now the yanks would have sacked him as he would not have won enought in his first season
ReplyDeleteWhen are these quotes from?
ReplyDeleteThis article seems poorly researched.
Here are quotes from Gerrard yesterday, most notable extracts being "you can't make excuses for finishing 8th. It wasn't good enough" and "We are Liverpool, we can't finish 8th"
Here are the rest.....
"I don't think a team has ever gone from eighth to first in one season but there are still other big targets for us to achieve - getting back into the top four is certainly the priority.
"I think we will get in the top four. I am confident we will get it. If we can play like we did in a lot of games last season, be clinical and take our chances, I think we will be high up in the table.
"The idea is to improve and have some fun along the way in the cup competitions like we did last year. It was difficult to make sense of it at times. There were times you would come off thinking 'no wonder we are sixth, seventh or eighth in the league' as we hadn't played well enough.
"But there were times when we murdered teams. We hadn't come off with what we deserved. It was frustrating but if you look at the season as a whole, you can't make excuses for finishing eighth. It wasn't good enough.
"We are Liverpool, we can't finish eighth. We have got to take the criticism for under-performing last year and put it right. We can't be doing post-match interviews saying 'we should have got the points or we were not clinical enough'. We have got to be clinical. We have got to get the points we should get."
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kenny messed up signing carroll and it's no surprise that as a result of that he wasn't given money to reinforce in january.
ReplyDeleteis there anything your happy with or do you just like to moan in general
ReplyDeletei'm happy with the appointment of rodgers,a good young manager with a fresh approach.i like the style of play he has implemented in the two games so far.already you can see the difference-defence are passing around it at the back and not just lumping it straight forward.i'm happy that we may be offloading carroll and downing because they are poor players and i'm happy to be alive.
ReplyDeletethats what i mean about the huge mistakes, had any of the wasted £70+ million he wasted on certain apparently "good" players gone on a proven striker then we would have been in with a real shout for top 4
ReplyDeletewith that money in that window we could have signed two proven finishers for what we spent on carroll.
ReplyDeleteSimon - the only thing poorly researched here is your reply. Before casting aspersions, why don't you click the link in the article, go through to the source of the quotes, read properly, and you will see I have reproduced the quotes accurately.
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sorry mate i have not seen to much football under rogers yet but what i have is hardly fantastic and if your happy with the players were linked to good for you lets see how long you give rogers and them before your back on here bleating about them
ReplyDeleteI agree but i would have been happy with just the one, as at least we would have had one, just like arsenal they only had the one
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pretty much yes
ReplyDeleteAnother rubbish article full of personal bias. Yeah Kanwar, you know better than Gerrard.
ReplyDeleteKopsource beats the pants off this site
The Daily Mail piece you link to is similar to the LFC piece
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/gerrard-we-ll-be-big-and-bold
Why have you have blatantly ignored the most important quote from yesterday's Dail Mail article?
‘Stability is what every club needs. Kenny knows that when Liverpool finish eighth, the owners and supporters are going to ask questions. Everyone knows that. While there was disappointment at the time, I understood the decision. Finishing eighth was not good enough.’
I agree Jamie. Think we should sell him along with Reina Johnson skrtel agger Henderson Carroll Suarez downing....your such a star can't think why your manager yourself. If you plan to delete pointless posts why don't you extend it to articles then this website will be empty. Why don't you test yourself and see by a poll who actually agrees with you. I have asked this before and you deleted it. If you believe your right put it to the test.
ReplyDeleteI have not blatantly ignored anything. I don't have to use every single quote. Why don't I just reproduce the entire lengthy interview? Nothing Gerrard said elsewhere changes the meaning of the quotes I used, and that's the point:
ReplyDelete* Gerrard still believes that changes didn't need to be made after last season's league debacle.
* He still believes the cup runs were good enough to constitute a good season.
You and others complain because you clearly lack objectivity on this issue. You love Gerrard so won't countenance criticism of him. If I had posted a snippet of a Gerrard quote that was acceptable to you, then you wouldn't be telling me I'd 'blatantly ignored' other parts of his quote, would you?
Additionally, the context should be considered. I'm making the point that Gerrard has consistently displayed a disappointing willingness to be satisfied with mediocrity over the last year, and that is something worthy of highlighting IMO, especially since FSG have repeatedly and emphatically made it clear that cups are irrelevant, and the league is all important.
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gerrard is a legend so is kenny..
ReplyDeletegerrard is only saying he was dissapointed by the way kenny was dealt with by fsg...
and the team did improve last season if you analyse each game the eigth place finish did reflect the team performances
You post extreme views but if we disagree then you want that view banned. Please explain I'm confused.
ReplyDeletesorry DIDNT reflect the performances
ReplyDeletehes been out of the anfield hot-seat for 20 years comes back and goes and waist £110m on downing,Henderson,Carroll and charlie Adam.
ReplyDeleteHow the hell can you say he only plays for himself? If he was only playing for himself he would have headed where the money (And by implication, the 'glory'.) was when we started to stagnate under Hicks and Gillett. He plays for us, end of.
ReplyDeleteAnd as to him being off the boil...any player relied upon so heavily, week in week out, would break eventually. Hopefully a wee rest (And a succesful groin reconstruction.) will have done him some good and he's now ready to kick on for few more years.
Now, I don't really think there's much room for sentimentality in football anymore, there's far too much at stake financially to allow that, but, let's face it, he's head and shoulders above anyone else we have in the club (and arguably the vast majority of other top flight clubs), in terms of _both_ attitude and ability.
Whilst I don't agree 100 percent with everything he has said over the last season I believe no one wants Liverpool to succeed more than he does.
I always believe actions speak louder than words in the world of sport (And life in general.) and whilst Stevie may have stated that he would prefer the Carling Cup more than a Champions League spot, I don't believe for one second that he put more effort into the cup games than the Premiership games.
By the same token, I don't think it would be fair to say that this comment will have had an adverse effect on the players who look up to him as club Captain, as always with Gerrard, as a player who leads by example, his die hard attitude on the pitch always does the talking for him.
But be constructive not destructive. Anyone can suggest we get rid of X and buy X then if we aren't winning the league 2 seconds later they have to be moved on.
ReplyDeleteGerrard is right. Kenny is a legend and should not have been axed on the basis of his performance in the league last season. One(full) season doesn't define the quality of a manager.
ReplyDeleteAsk Mourinho who was battered and bruised by Pep's Barcelona in his first season with Madrid, but succeeded on his second try.
Besides, Jaimie K needs to take Gerard's full interview into context.
Surely, our one-team legend (Stevie G) who often takes Liverpool by the scruff of the neck when all hope seems lost ( Istanbul, FA Cup Final v West Ham, Oh, You Beauty!) cannot possibly place his individual goals above the collective team goals. Never!
i would just like to say, kenny did not waste this money on these players. these players did not perform as torres never with chelsea. This season would have been different as these players would have proven themselves. Sorry to see kenny go as champions league would have been on the cards this season. i only hope BR with the new style of play is the right choice. come on the RED ARMY. ynwa
ReplyDeleteSorry Jamie but the fact is you do only quote what supports your article. If you started with his quote 'finishing 8th was not good enough....I understood the decision' how would you have started you article. Shock horror stevie g says he understands why King Kenny was sacked! It's all about interpretation but you CHOOSE the view you take. Be honest when challenged its not a crime to have an opinion only to defend the reason behind it.
ReplyDeleteso suggesting that some weaker players should be moved on is destructive? we won't be winning the league anytime soon.
ReplyDeleteobviously it's pre season-the football is hardly going to be top notch.but there are already signs of change.i'll give rodgers plenty of time like i've given every other liverpool manager.
ReplyDeleteNo guarantee at all that these players would have 'proven themselves' this season. First season from these new players was a waste. When you spend that much money, you expect something in the short term as well as the long term.
ReplyDeleteUnlike the reds from Kazakhstan, indonesia an pakistanwar!!!!!!! its always about winnin cups. Kenny will always be an idol, he's done more for the club an the city than anyone on here. All you muppets that want a champions league place, what's the use in that unless yer win it. An don't give me that bolllocks about money. History never lies. Above us only sky!!!!
ReplyDeleteWrong call. KD was never out of Anfield. He was, will and always be at Anfield.
ReplyDeleteGone are the good old days when lifting trophies was the ultimate Goal. "It's all about the money"
ReplyDelete2 finals, 1 cup and in europe
ReplyDeleteThe quote I have provided, from the very article you provided link to, clearly states Gerrard's position which is completely at odds with the sentiments you claim he has expressed.
ReplyDeleteYou completely misrepresent him.
I can criticise Gerrard and often have, not everyone who disagrees with you is guilty of group think or is a super fan.
You are not infallible
That is a typical misinterpretation of an interview to suit an argument. There is no ambiguity or any way of misunderstanding what was said or intend to be said. He was disappointed with the sacking at the time, he understands the reasons, feels the erformances did not get the results they warrant and is looking forward to working with BR and is hopeful that they will aim for a champions league spot. Hardly anything anti Liverpool in their. You should have just posted a link to the interview and not try and sensationalise it by picking out bits that could be used to creat doubt about his allegiances. Another low point Jamie.
ReplyDeleteSimon - please show me where I suggested anyone who disagrees with me is a 'superfan'. You are still missing the point. The quote you provided does not magically change the meaning of the quote I used, and no amount of trying to muddy the waters is going to change that.
ReplyDeleteAnd I do not 'claim' Gerrard expressed anything. What he said is fact; you just don't like it.
Granted that Dalglish is a Liverpool legend but his performance as Manager last year is questionable many times on his selection of players. Stevie has a right to think whatever he wants but ultimately as the captain, he should respect the owners' decision on whoever they appoint as the new manger & also whoever pays the wages. If the captain does not support the manager appointed, then there's no reason for him to be there.
ReplyDeleteThis is not crap - it's true facts. As true fans, we only think of what's best for the club and not individuals - whether they be managers or players. Just because both are legends, it doesn't mean that LFC is better off with them still around. Changes need to made if we are going to go forward. Otherwise, we'll be better off in the division below. As a matter of fact, had we been there, we might not have even make it to Premiere League with the sort of performance dished out last year!!!
ReplyDeleteHe never once said FSG got the decision wrong. He just said that he didn't think changes were needed - and that he personally was surprised and disappointed. More pathetic crap. Move along, nothing to see here.
ReplyDeleteRead the interview instead of an interpretation of the interview before saying the captain of the club should keep his mouth shut. A bit reactionary without being knowledgable of what was said. It is expected of the players of the club to speak to the press, they have more right to comment on the running of a club that anyone on a website
ReplyDeleteI was on the Kop the first season Bill Shankly arrived and the football played was some of the most exciting and entertaining. We didn't get promoted that season and FSG would certainly not have fired him for the brilliant football on show. Last year was an excercise in in dross and garbage. I am not surprised that Gerrard considers that performances would have improved this season. They couldn't have got any bloody worse !!!
ReplyDeletei loved it when liverpool scored and kenny would be jumping in the air with fists clenched shouting yeeeaaah come on. kenny wanted us to win not just for us but for himself and the players. I thought we looked a very strong team at times. If given more time, who knows what else we might have won. I thought the team was coming together and liverpool was on the rise again. The liverpool way.
ReplyDeleteI support the appointment of Brendon Rogers but I wish the club had not sacked him and given him until christmas
ReplyDeletejk you have presented the facts in your own typical fashion and taken parts of what was said and used it in your own context. Not sure why a club supporter would do this its not critical realism it is changing the context and criticising for criticisings sake
ReplyDeletetit you are more of a super fan than any of us
ReplyDeletetit your having a laugh I have now watched 3 games of disjointed crap with football that lacks penetration. I hope we dont sell Carroll because come Dec IF what Brendon Rodgers has set out to achieve isnt working we will NEED a plan B
ReplyDeletebut are they signs of change for the better ? I am not sure and you are one of those regulars of this site who gave Kenny Dalglish 12 months before you were crying for him to be sacked. Is that plenty of time ?
ReplyDeleteAny idiot who sprouts crap such as being a "real" LFC fan is just a deluded moron.
ReplyDeleteAny idiot who sprouts c**p such as being a "real" fan is a deluded moron.
ReplyDeletetell me tit when we signed Carroll were you excited did you think it was great signing
ReplyDeleteAny idiot who sprouts crap such as being a "real" fan is a deluded m0ron.
ReplyDeleteSimon is right your article misrepresents Gerrard
ReplyDeleteLFC sense - stop deliberately leaving the i out of 'titi'. Youre not funny. Once more and your posts will be moderated.
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Whilst Kenny did make mistakes, he also made many positive contributions. Not convinced sacking him was the right move, but we will only know if FSG made the right decision at the end of the upcoming season. If BR does well, then of course it would seem correct to have brought him in.
ReplyDeleteAs for the suggestion that Henry has a greater appreciation of the club's goals than Gerrard, I think it's more than likely that FSG's motivation is just financial, whereas Gerrard's motivation is to win silverware, whether it is in the form of the Carling Cup or the Premier League - as was Dalglish's. Furthermore, when Shankly stated that the league was the priority, surely he meant winning the league, as opposed to just attaining a top 4 spot, which FSG seem to value more highly than trophies.
spot on mate
ReplyDeleteso Brendon Rodgers is fresh and you are going to support him well read this http://www.lfctour.com/news/rodgers-thanks-reds-fans all of it in particular comments on Hendo Downing and Carroll.........KD had such a poor eye for a player (not)
ReplyDeletecomments made by me held backnever to be printed
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lfctour.com/news/rodgers-thanks-reds-fans
I have responded again to you but response held
ReplyDeleteyou can already see we are keeping the ball better....we need more pace though...at least one decent speedy winger..lets grab walcott. red richo
ReplyDeleteJamie You' are a fucking idiot
ReplyDeleteYour not a real Liverpool fan
I bet you've never been to anfield
Your a self serving publicity freak Who had an
Opinion on Kenny that my me want to vomit
You know zero . Give this site up as a bad job
Brendan Rogers himself admitted Kenny had bad luck last season with the goal posts against him & Suarezgate. Despite that he won more silverware & got to more cup finals than Fergie did. He should have been given more time this season to even his luck out so I agree with Stevie on that one. Kenny deserved more time.
ReplyDeleteDisagree totally. When you perform well you finish above 8TH position in the league, which also means when you spend heavily on players they are expected to put the ball in the net... not break a record for hitting the woodwork! Clinical they weren't. I was very glad to see change in the management, so here's hoping that next season can be a much improved one.
ReplyDeletei agree with you moocher.we really need a changed
ReplyDeleteshanks would have hated JW Henry they wernt in the same book never mind page, and paisley finished 5th after 1st in 81 kenny has won 3 european cups and 4 league titles 1 at blackburn and had 1 full season at anfield,kenny is a icon not a legend and for what he and his family has done for the club and city we should have cut him more slack but we takea chance on a ex chelsea coach who has won nothing and got sacked at reading and has a slim chance ov getting us top4 kenny had more chance and sacking him and getting brendan cost 20m+
ReplyDeleteGreat, we're a Mickey Mouse cup team that has made it into UEFA's version of the Mickey Mouse cup(!)
ReplyDeleteI Completely support the appointment of Rodgers, and for the first time in years, I feel an enthuisiasm about the new season in that even if we ultimately don't get the champions league spot that we are aiming for, at least we should see a Liverpool team playing positive, possession based attacking football. Having said that, despite all the many acknowledged mistakes by Dalglish, and his transfers bordered on unforgivable during this last period as manager, the posts of some of the above are laughable. To suggest that we were going backwards is ludicrous. Have you really forgotten how much we had stagnated under Hicks and Gillette and the defensive, "lets wait and hope we don't lose" tactics of Hodgson? When Kenny took over as a stop gap manager, no other self respecting manager would have taken the job in their right mind. We should never forget that Kenny helped us through a very difficult time and whilst he should never have been given the job full time, he proved to other managers out there that we still have a team worth supporting and we can play, he reminded other managers that it is a job worth taking and we are not a joke club as Hodgson, Waldorf and Statler were beginning to make us appear. Thank you Kenny, all the best for whatever the future holds for you and here's to a bright new future hopefully for LFC and Brendan Rodgers. YNWA
ReplyDeletei agree,jamie kanwar you are a fucking prick.i hate your rubbish.your a stain on liverpool.
ReplyDeletegod i wish you'd stop writing.
ReplyDeleteyou are terrible. i wish you were not a liverpool supporter.
How can you say we performed well when we'd "achieved" 8th placing - the worst in our EPL history!!!
ReplyDeleteTrue, Dalglish is a KOP legend but his old schoolboy tactics didn't work last season. It doesn't matter what we as fans think as John Henry had already indicated he was not for the long term.
ReplyDeleteI personnaly feel we played much better football last season compared with the era of Houlier/Benitez.
ReplyDeleteWe played entertaining football and didn't deserve to lose a lot of matches, with better luck we may have easily finished top 4.
One full season was never enough to judge Kenny who has been here before and seen it all.
We won our first Trophy in 5 seasons and finished runner up to another, so definetly progress have been made and I can see Stevie's point.
Stevie deserves praise for being brave and expressing his opinion.
I believe the real reason Kenny was sacked is the Americans being themselves, could not stand their money being wasted on a lot of players bought, also the reason for commoli being sacked.
We will know if they did the right thing a few months from now. We will wait and see how the tiki taka works, if still no progress in league what then?
That's not much of a reply. Why not prove your source for the quote to Lisa so anyone can read it in it's entirety.
ReplyDeleteYour reply is sort of, almost, going against your very respectable policy of asking commenting readers to post proof when they appear to make unfounded comments or statements. Just saying.
Why don't LFC realise they have a "super-Rooney" on their books?
ReplyDeleteIf SG was given leave to roam at will as Rooney does, concentrating (mostly) on attack, he would cause chaos in most defences. That boy has fire in his belly, and a better skill set than Rooney. Suarez and SG up front would be awesome. Suarez, SG and Dempsey up front would be unfair to other teams!
Thr words mountains and mole hills spring to mind , still any excuse to have a pop st Stevie will do aye ? Sado
ReplyDeleteYou have sunk to new levels of junk journalism. Put the whole quote in!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe inspirational Stevie in Istanbul is different from the Stevie we know now. He was out of action for most part of last season - his influence was probably missed. Throughout the whole of last season, we have to bear the constant crap displays of Downing, Adams, Henderson & Carroll. As for Dalglish, he certainly didn't help to improve the situation by benching Kuyt & Rodriguez 80% of the time.
ReplyDeleteHe's just a divi mate ,who hasn't got a clue really , and I think the word journalism flatters what he does even with the word junk in front of it
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand why people moan at Gerrard for saying he wanted to win trophies, so what if it was "only" the carling cup! It's a cup! As a player you want to win things and look back at the end of your career with personal triumphs and trophies! I can understand from a fans view we want to finish as high as possible and challenge at the highest level and for the owners they want to make as much money as possible so the champs league is their aim but for a player, they want to win any competition they are in so I totally understand his comment on winning a cup over finishing 4th and for those that don't then you must surely not play football yourselves!
ReplyDeleteIt's not what you say but the way you say.
ReplyDeletedalglish had an unprecedented amount of cash for an lfc manager and blew it.anyone who is blinded by over the top loyalty can see that.
ReplyDeleteit's pre season but if you can't see signs of improvement in shape and movement on and off the ball then that's not my fault.maybe you should stick to watching the carling cup final on dvd instead.
ReplyDeleteyou speak such sense don't you.after all you did tell me that carroll would be 'a revelation' at the euros'.how did that work out?
ReplyDeletei didn't,i thought suarez was a great signing.carroll was never an adequate replacement for torres.he's an expensive version of voronin so far.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but that poster accused me of lying several times (posts now deleted), and I've already provided proof; the proof was there from the moment I posted the article. The source is a clickable link in the article, yet people are so desperate to discredit that they don't check things first.
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i wasn't excited.
ReplyDeletecompletely different player to torres and never an adequate replacement as he has shown.
we were always going to have to adapt ouyr style of play to suit him.
our best football under kenny was with a forward line of suarez,meirels,maxi and kuyt in his first six months
have i been banned?
ReplyDeletegood,it's probably nonsense.
ReplyDeleteBefore Murdoch came along with his millions and Liverpool played in the First Division we had four major cups to win (five if you consider the Cup Winners Cup). They were; the European Cup, the League Championship, the FA Cup and the League Cup (now the Carling Cup).
ReplyDeleteThe League Cup was difficult to win and was highly regarded even though some lower division teams like Swindon Town played tremendous football and lifted that trophy. So, I implore fans who love the game not to disparage the Carling Cup because of the effort required to win it and also out of respect for Carling for the sponsorship given to Liverpool down the years and their continuing financial support for English football.
It's good to win Trophies and qualify for the Champions League but most of all we would like to win the Barclay's Premier League (Cup) - not least to crown the career of our tremendous motivator and captain, Steve Gerrard.
Do the talking on the pitch - all season just like Paul Scholes has done
ReplyDeleteOnly tim will tel if Gerrard was right or wrong.... I alo know that Kenny ans Comelli 's faith were decided inJanuarylast year whenthey asked Henry for money to buy a striker as goalscoring was our main problem and thy wanted to buy Jelvic however,they were denied.
ReplyDeleteYou should "Think Twice" before posting. Paul Scholes only came out of retirement in January 2012 so he only played for half a season - not "all season" as you said above.
ReplyDeleteIt only seems that long after Manchester City's last kick of the ball to win the league. :-)
Ridiculous to say Stevie accepts mediocrity. Please note also that coming 4th can not be compared to winning a Cup.
ReplyDeleteThere were too many games last season where I was sitting on the couch, dismayed, that I had to wake up 4 am in the morning to watch uninspired performances. Dalglish never got a grip on Liverpool ending losing streaks. Top managers don't allow their teams to lose 3-4 games on the trot. That's not Liverpool. And add that to "35 MILLION" (still amazes he how much!?) for AC and 20 million for Downing. 55 million for 2 players, unproven, hyped up, and no chance of playing for any of the top teams in the world.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that Liverpool should be buying marquee players, but unproven players at high prices should be a no no. Writing was on the wall. Maybe he deserved a chance to correct his errors, but he could only do that in the transfer market, because on the training ground, it was not working at all. However he lost all credibility in the Transfer market with his previous buys, so a change needed to be made. We are talking about MILLIONS of pounds being wasted.
stevie is right , how many years has arsenal spent going for champions league without a single cup, am not saying rodgers is bad b'se barcelona have accountability for their perfomance what do arsenal have to show their fans....................as a fan i also need to see trophies.............
ReplyDeletewhat are you talking about stevie has been there for liverpool and he'll continue to be there..........wat are the people you are talking about done .......arsenal has been in the champions league wat do they have to show their fans...............only loosing even the senior players..............lose gerrard on the pitch and see whether you will sign another good player................
ReplyDeletegerrard has every right to say whatever he wants. he he believes rafa or dalglish should have been here, he has every right to say it. in any case gerrard is gerrard.. one of the greatest player in his generation, and he kws what he talks. he's no ordinary person like us.. and better knowledge than the owners without doubt
ReplyDeleteStevie G is expressing his honest views and showing his loyalty to a great manager and servant of Liverpool. He is certain to show the same loyalty and dedication to the new manager of Liverpool, which is more than can be said for other world class players in the EPL today.
ReplyDeleteGerrard obviously didn't think that there was need for change as he thought we would only get better under Dalglish, not because he is willing to accept mediocrity. If there is anyone is the Liverpool squad that really wants a prem league medal it's him! There is no denying Liverpool played good attacking football, it was just the finishing that was the problem.
ReplyDeleteBut sometimes you need to wait for it to 'click' and all come together with in time.
I am happy with the appointment of Brendan Rodgers and I think he will do well in the long term, but as he said himself he also needs time. What happens if we finish 8th again this season or worse? Is Rogders going to be sacked too? It's a rebuilding process for LFC, any manager needs time.
And Gerrard also said 'at the end of last season' he didn't think changes needed to be made. He is not saying he doesn't think it now. After seeing what the new manager has to offer he may have realised that Rodgers has a better view for the club than Dalglish did.
Who is this idiot that keeps writing articles like this?
ReplyDeleteI am absolutely so fed up of reading needlessly twisted and negative comments by this Jamie kanwar, these kinds of stories that i've seen for the past few months are not real journalism or even worth reading. Seriously, they sound like something that you'd read in the sun.
I wish these "stories" would stop appearing on news sites and stick to places like this because I don't want to hear your absolute rubbish anymore.
Don't give up the day job!!!!!!!!!
There is nothing wrong in loyalty to your manager, particularly when he may have been your hero in your youth. There is nothing wrong in dreaming of winning two cups in a season. Everyone had high hopes that Kenny would be the answer. He wasn't. Gerrard is free to give his personal views. He seems more sorrowful that Kenny wasn't retained rather than accusing FSG of any egregious error. Personally I don't see much to get flustered about.
ReplyDeleteof course I can see differences in the shape and movement but the football played lacks penetration hence the lack of goals anyboby who knows anything about football will see this.
ReplyDelete1) Why is it you have chosen not to respond to the contents of the article is it because your new hero Brendon Rogers actually rates the players signed by KD in particular Henderson.
ReplyDelete2) Carroll played brilliantly at the euros when asked. It was not his fault that the manager prefferred to select Rooney when he was available. Every pundit, newspaper and website (with the exception of this one) said carroll should have been selected ahead of him. Even Brendon Rogers seems to have changed his mind about him, but you wont want to know this because it doesnt accord with your small minded criticism of KD, AC, JH and SD.
maybe i was right to leave the i off the end of your name I was probably right judging by that last comment
ReplyDeletewhat has money got to do with the question i asked. For simplicity I will ask it again did you personally give Dalglish enough time ..... now if there are any words in my question you dont understand please feel free to ask there meaning
ReplyDeletecarroll won't be at lfc this season.so you'll have to find someone else to fanboy over,what about doning? is he mediocre enough for you? when did carroll play 'brilliantly' at the euros? he scored one very good goal but what else did he do?
ReplyDeleteyeah what you seem to forget Harrold2012 because you and a lot of simple minded Liverpool fans live in a bubble is that with Arsenal's consistent performance in the Champions League no matter if they will ever actually win the damn thing they have always been able to attract higher caliber players than we have. We attracted Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, etc. Really average player on any team in the PL, and Arsenal has attracted the likes of Lucas Podalski, Nasri, Carols Vela, Arshavin etc. While some of these players have moved on to pursue opportunities elsewhere, Wenger still has the ability to attract higher caliber talent than Liverpool does. If he were a cheap bastard he could have anybody he wanted on his squad. Champions league play is the one thing top class talent is always attracted to. That is the only reason we lost Torres if you can remember that far back.s
ReplyDeleteArsenal have no recent trophies to show their fans but a consistent attempt to go all the way is seen as good enough for them. Mark my words the day Wenger finishes in 8th place as Liverpool did last season is the day he loses his job. The Arsenal fans won't stand for that. Whether you think wining the champions league is more important than the Premiere league title the fans won't accept any finish that is not in the top 4 simply because champions league play continues to enrich the club's coffers and gives Mr Wenger a lot of money to play with should he decide to splurge on a player now and again. He also will continue to attract high caliber talent simply because he can offer champions league foot-ball. So say what you want about Arsenal but I know must Liverpool fans would would rather their club were in Arsenal's position than were the club finds itself building a team with unproven stars and a new manager who is not very experienced at the highest level of foot-ball.
i read most of the interview. I see no reason to read the whole thing since i get the basic gist. Gerrard in my opinion does not make policy decisions for the club. Those people who ponied up the mega bucks to free the club of dept make the mega decisions. Gerrard like most Liverpool fans were ecstatic when FSG rode in like the cavalry and settled the debt owed to the Royal Bank of Scotland a few years ago. The owners don't care as much about the Carling Cup and the League Cup as they do about the Champions League trophy. Let's be honest the most competitive clubs in the world play champions league foot-ball. Also for many top clubs these other cup competitions have been nothing more than a chance to give their junior team members a run out as they save their senior team members for Champions league and crucial league fixtures. So getting back to Gerrard if the owners want an improved effort in the league to bring about Champions League foot-ball it is clearly their prerogative since they are the ones who pay the bills. Gerrard is not a coach his job is simply to do one thing and one thing alone play foot-ball. That's why he is paid a small fortune by the club.
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry has recently made a public statement claiming that the only reason Kenny got the sack was simply because of the poor League performance and nothing else not even the Luis Suarez debacle. It is right there in black and white for all to see in an article by the "Dailymail" at Dailymail.co.uk an article by Dominic King titled " Daglish was out of Liverpool even if he led us to FA Cup glory." This article is recent only written on July the 29th of 2012. Bowseyb if you have some free time please check it out.
The owners priority differ greatly from that of Gerrard's apparently. Gerrard thought an impressive cup run was good enough for Liverpool while the owners were under the impression that useless cup competitions where you are not really going up against the best clubs in the world was not that important in the grand scheme of things. The winner is always the one paying the bills. Rodgers in Kenny out winner FSG on this one.
Spot on mate, Im disgusted that some of these guys pretend to be Liverpool supporters.
ReplyDeleteHow come my posts in reply to your article have been removed
ReplyDeleteand still the id.iot tit.i doesnt answer the questions. You are deluded with your own fanboy Brendon Rogers mate and lets see with Carroll should we but if its possible for you and I understand how difficultit must be but answer the questions i have asked f.o.o.l
ReplyDeleteis it possible you could just answer the questions i have asked
ReplyDeleteanother question you havent answered.you come on this site and spout off with all kinds of rubbish and when challenged you never never reply
ReplyDeleteLFC Sense. I've warned you repeatedly about attacking other posters. You're banned for a week.
ReplyDeleteThis is why you and your plastic liverpool FSG bollocks will never get what LFC is all about you question the one player who has dragged this club along for the last 7 years at least whats done is done you are undermining the Captain because he is the highest earner at the club along with Atacks on Pepe and Carra fellow highearnes planting the seeds in the heads of the plastic brigade for when the decision is made to get rid spinless you would be happy with never winning any silverware as long as the CL money kept rolling in JK = utter Shite
ReplyDeleteWake up Harrold2012. Do u even understand simple English? I didn't say that I don't like Stevie. He has always been my favourite midfielder. All that I'm saying is that any captain, being the link between players & management, should respect & support the Manager & Owner's decisions. Gone are the days where the team is built around Stevie. Which is why I welcome Rodgers onboard with his new ideas for the team.
ReplyDeleteYou can't blame the players when they don't perform. It's the Manager's job to plan game strategy and watch out for this and take corrective action. 46With due respect to King Kenny, How many times have we seen him relying too much on his 100million pounds purchases and that includes Carroll. He had reliable Kuyt & Rodriguez around but chose not to play them but only as substitutes late into the game.
ReplyDeleteYou've misinterpreted what Stevie G is saying.
ReplyDelete1. Gerrard still believes that changes didn't need to be made ... Incorrect. Gerrard says that "AT THE END OF LAST SEASON, I didn't think that". He's talking very specifically about how he felt when the sacking happened, not now. He has otherwise spoken clearly that he understands why the decision was made. At no point has he put forward the view that he thinks Liverpool would be better off with Kenny still in charge. He simply says that he thinks we would have improved i.e. we would have finished better than 8th if Kenny was given another season. 2. Gerrard still believes that the cup runs were good enough to constitute a good season ... Incorrect. No where does Gerrard say that it was a "good" season. He says we did well in the cup competitions. That's a simple statement of fact. He then goes on to say that he thinks we "would have improved". Again, not a reference to the season just past, but a reference to his belief in the manager i.e. that had Kenny stayed we would have had a better season and been a better performing football team than last year. Considering we finished 8th, playing some woeful football, it's not really at all controversial.
Now I personally don't agree with that because in my view we actually got worse as the season went on. I don't believe that Kenny had a good enough plan to get us playing well again. The owners also would seem to have felt this way. However I would respect that seeing as Gerrard is the captain of the team and in no small degree also responsible for their performances, perhaps he is in a better position to make that judgement than you or I, even if it does initially not match the views of the club owners. If he had some insights that led him to believe that Kenny was capable of turning things around and getting better then I would guess that he's probably right to say so.
Of course Gerrard is right!
ReplyDeleteIt's the second time (after RB) that we've sacked a manager too early before really knowing what the form was. Moronic decision (again)!
Can someone tell me why we need a 'young and vibrant' manager?
As well, can someone tell me how NESN will resist the 'LFC not good enough' crowd when Rogers loses two in a row and has no experience of pulling top players out of a slump on his own?
Gone by Christmas.
I can't believe that Gerrard must think that last season's signings were good enough and that he values the least coveted trophy available to the club over the chance to be playing in the Champions League again this season. Be able to test his skills against the best in Europe and having a club that could once again attract the best.
ReplyDeletewhy be agressive in replying to people who dont share your view? if shoe was on other foot we know youd like wave the magic banned wand. i think thre are both sides to the argument . but really , who are we to question gerrard he is an all time legend.
ReplyDeletesg wants silverware, owners want a profitable club. ultimately everyone need to meet in the middle .
ReplyDeletewhat like you is with j k ? pure fanboy lmao
ReplyDeletei dont know , i think he provided good points. mayb eit is just cos he asked if TC was yor love child. i think thats unfair as i think it is the same person posting !
ReplyDelete'there were times you would come
ReplyDeleteoff thinking “no wonder we are sixth, seventh and eighth.” We hadn’t
played well enough. But, equally, there were times when I watched us and
we murdered teams. We just hadn’t come off with what we deserved.
‘So when Kenny left it was a big
shock and disappointment. I love Kenny. But what has happened has
happened. The owners have made their decision. As captain of the squad,
I’ve got to make sure I show the rest of the players this is a new start
and we have got to do what Brendan wants us to.
‘Stability is what every club needs.
Kenny knows that when Liverpool finish eighth, the owners and supporters
are going to ask questions. Everyone knows that. While there was
disappointment at the time, I understood the decision. Finishing eighth
was not good enough.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2179457/Liverpool-skipper-Steven-Gerrard-Well-finish-four.html#ixzz226SUAktZ2 sides to every story . sg did understand decision . missleading article
there were times you would come
ReplyDeleteoff thinking “no wonder we are sixth, seventh and eighth.” We hadn’t
played well enough. But, equally, there were times when I watched us and
we murdered teams. We just hadn’t come off with what we deserved.
‘So when Kenny left it was a big
shock and disappointment. I love Kenny. But what has happened has
happened. The owners have made their decision. As captain of the squad,
I’ve got to make sure I show the rest of the players this is a new start
and we have got to do what Brendan wants us to.
‘Stability is what every club needs.
Kenny knows that when Liverpool finish eighth, the owners and supporters
are going to ask questions. Everyone knows that. While there was
disappointment at the time, I understood the decision. Finishing eighth
was not good enough.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2179457/Liverpool-skipper-Steven-Gerrard-Well-finish-four.html#ixzz226SUAktZ
Liverpool in KDs half season was playing far better than LFC last season and you call that moving foward seriously!!! We only played one half of last season and you call that moving foward for a person everyone claimed was a great motivator(with a significant investment at that!). Maxi, Kuyt, Aquilani alienated by the man they helped get the full time job. Dour finals against Cardiff and Chelsea... Countless perfomances like those against Fulham, Bolton, Stoke, Swansea to mention but a few! I wonder if moving foward has a new meaning coz for me that's not it. Compared to his stint as a stop gap manager, KD shot himself in the foot. We really became a laughing stock in transfers not to mention the Suarez issue which was clearly mishandled! Feel free to say he can't be criticized, but objectively, you are just refusing to see!
ReplyDeleteFinishing 3rd and 4th wasn't good in Roy Evans era, so why is it acceptable now!! Winning tropies is the most important thing for any football team. Stevie is right and the king should have been allowed more time.
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