What a great performance! It's such a pleasure to see the entire footballing philosophy of the club changing before our eyes. The negative, safety-first approach that was often a feature of the Houllier and Benitez eras is clearly in its death throes, and the subjugation of Liverpool FC's true nature is almost over.
Liverpool totally outclassed Bolton today, and dominated the game from start to finish. Whilst it's true to say that any team with designs on the top 4 should be dispatching teams like Bolton with ease (especially at home), the overall manner of the victory still deserves special praise.
There are numerous positives to highlight but the following stood out for me:
* A fluid, positive approach for the entire game.
* Great ball retention across the board.
* Attacking with speed and purpose.
* Finally, the players are actually comfortable on the ball.
* Obvious confidence flowing through the team.
* Excellent harrying/pressure on the ball, even when 3-0 up.
* Players who are clearly relaxed and motivated.
* New signings are running the show, particularly Adam, Downing, Enrique and Suarez.
All this and we have still have Steven Gerrard to come back into the team.
Despite the positives, there was one glaring negative, and given this site's zero tolerance approach to cheating, I feel duty-bound to highlight it.
In the 46th minute, it appeared that Luis Suarez dived in the Bolton penalty box. He may have been clipped by the defender but he stayed on his feet; then a couple of seconds later he fell to the ground.
I've argued in the past that Suarez's antics in 'that' World Cup game illustrate a lot about his character as a footballer, i.e. if he can get away with cheating, he will, even for Liverpool.
Many fans will just stick their heads in the and ignore it and/or make excuses and rationalise, but sooner or later, there will be a major incident involving Suarez, and the club will suffer for it.
Anyway, overall, Suarez's creative play was fantastic during the game, and I think it's clear that if Liverpool play one up-front at home, there can be only one choice to fill that role (and it isn't Andy Carroll).
With Kenny Dalglish back at the helm, it's so exciting to see the Liverpool FC of old rising from the ashes.
Hello, old friend. It's been a long time...but it's so good to see you again.
EDIT: Having viewed the incident again, I still believe Suarez dived, or use the euphemism du jour, he 'went down too easily'. I believe he could've stayed on his feet. Rightly or wrongly, this is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, though I of course accept that I my opinion may be wrong. I appreciate that there will be those who disagree, that is fine; vociferous disagreement is welcome, but *anyone* who includes insults/derogatory comments in their post will be banned, even if the rest of the post makes valid points. This has been the comment policy since day 1, and if people don't want to follow it then don't blame me if your post gets deleted.
Jaimie Kanwar
Liverpool totally outclassed Bolton today, and dominated the game from start to finish. Whilst it's true to say that any team with designs on the top 4 should be dispatching teams like Bolton with ease (especially at home), the overall manner of the victory still deserves special praise.
There are numerous positives to highlight but the following stood out for me:
* A fluid, positive approach for the entire game.
* Great ball retention across the board.
* Attacking with speed and purpose.
* Finally, the players are actually comfortable on the ball.
* Obvious confidence flowing through the team.
* Excellent harrying/pressure on the ball, even when 3-0 up.
* Players who are clearly relaxed and motivated.
* New signings are running the show, particularly Adam, Downing, Enrique and Suarez.
All this and we have still have Steven Gerrard to come back into the team.
Despite the positives, there was one glaring negative, and given this site's zero tolerance approach to cheating, I feel duty-bound to highlight it.
In the 46th minute, it appeared that Luis Suarez dived in the Bolton penalty box. He may have been clipped by the defender but he stayed on his feet; then a couple of seconds later he fell to the ground.
I've argued in the past that Suarez's antics in 'that' World Cup game illustrate a lot about his character as a footballer, i.e. if he can get away with cheating, he will, even for Liverpool.
Many fans will just stick their heads in the and ignore it and/or make excuses and rationalise, but sooner or later, there will be a major incident involving Suarez, and the club will suffer for it.
Anyway, overall, Suarez's creative play was fantastic during the game, and I think it's clear that if Liverpool play one up-front at home, there can be only one choice to fill that role (and it isn't Andy Carroll).
With Kenny Dalglish back at the helm, it's so exciting to see the Liverpool FC of old rising from the ashes.
Hello, old friend. It's been a long time...but it's so good to see you again.
EDIT: Having viewed the incident again, I still believe Suarez dived, or use the euphemism du jour, he 'went down too easily'. I believe he could've stayed on his feet. Rightly or wrongly, this is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, though I of course accept that I my opinion may be wrong. I appreciate that there will be those who disagree, that is fine; vociferous disagreement is welcome, but *anyone* who includes insults/derogatory comments in their post will be banned, even if the rest of the post makes valid points. This has been the comment policy since day 1, and if people don't want to follow it then don't blame me if your post gets deleted.
Jaimie Kanwar
Good article Jaimie. A joy to behold at times today. Enrique just gets better and better.My only concern isCarragher who i feel is in steep decline. Still a warrior as we all know but i'm not confident with him in our defense. That's just my opinion. Adamwas superb in the first half as was Henderson. LFC are on the rise under Kenny
ReplyDeleteThe other side of the coin being that you never, ever get a penalty for staying on your feet. Not to condone diving, but it's little wonder players do it when a player can be fouled repeatedly in the box, try and stay up to score and ultimately get nothing from it. That is as much the problem as diving is.
ReplyDeleteWell if u see the video clip of Suarez's penalty claim...u will c that he was clipped when he fell so he ain't cheating k....do c it for ur own confirmation !!!!
ReplyDeleteIf you watched the replay the defender took suarez's foot with his hand, so it was a penalty but you couldn't blame the ref for not seeing it.
ReplyDeleteWrong.... Suarez DID NOT dive... it wasn't the initial foul, it was the hand of the defender which grabbed his shin. It was a penalty. If you're looking at one major negative, look no further than Andy Carroll. But the rest of the team was simply OUTSTANDING!
ReplyDeleteThere was a 2-3 second delaye before Suarez decided to fall over. That shows (IMO) that it was a premeditated dive. he didn't time it correctly, so it sticks out like a sore thumb.
ReplyDeleteSo kelly getting injured isn't a negative....
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of rubbish! Get off this anti-Suarez thing you're trying to start because it's never going to take off.
ReplyDeleteit was a penalty...the kept on his feet after the first challenge but then the defenders hand hit him from behind which looks like a delayed reaction to the first challenge but in fact was two seperate contacts...he's smart and tries to win free kicks like early in the first half but doesnt mean hes diving..on the other hand adam blatantly dived.
ReplyDeleteSuarez is fantastic,really good article,but come on m8 maybe this is what we need,man u shitied have been getting away with it for years and maybe it's time we start winning trophies :-P
ReplyDeleteyou probably didn't see replay mate.that is clear penalty.next time before you blame someone make sure you 100% rigth to do so.
ReplyDeleteSuarez did not dive, the defender grabbed his boot. The replay clearly showed this. Suarez and the team put in 110% today and again you put this rubbish up on the net. Anyone would start to think you were a ManU fan.
ReplyDeleteWell done Jamie. Where were you during the summer?
ReplyDeleteBack on line againwith your self opinionated nonsense.
LS was rightly MOTM with his purity of football, his refreshing attitude to getting up and on with the football. His selfless running for team mates and willingness to run ragged for the cause and you pick up on one incident where he tumbles in a 50:50 situation.
I wonder what plant you are on some times? Just looking to be different and attracting attention as always! Get a life!!
Before you accuse anyone of cheating it's always a good idea to be absolutely sure. TV pics showed Knight tried to grab Suarez ankles hence apparent delayed reaction. Defo penalty - Assistant should have spotted it.
ReplyDeleteSuarez tried to stay up then was dragged down by the defender; you really need to watch the game again before writing an article like this. Saying that, when you consider previous articles you have written about him this doesn’t surprise me at all.
ReplyDeleteIt really looks like you are just trying to find fault in the lad, to justify that diving post you made when he first signed.
<span>After watching the clip you might want to have a good wash, get that egg off your face</span>
Actually, Kuyt had a great game, as did Lucas and Agger, so it was a team peformance (and I'm not fussed on Lucas).
ReplyDeleteYour opinion on Liverpools style over the last 7 years doesn't hold water either, just another anti Benitez jibe. Stick to your opinion of the game if you want people to respect your opinion.
Also, before accusing a Liverpool player of diving, I hope you've checked the replays to confirm your opinion. If so, fair comment.
If not - support someone else.
... and still he managed to be ref'ed of a returball just before he was taken off. He put pressure on the defence, who played back to Jussi J., who took the ball be hand (!) and immediately Suarez reacted. He knows the rules - he knows how to make others produce errors - and while you suggest he is a diver (for one single incident you try to stigmatise him as "DIVER!!!!!!"), he in fact is a fast thinking - fast playing technical player, who outclasses most players in the PL (and probably most ref's as well).
ReplyDeleteCaroll was weak, when he came on - he need to be faster and better technical or he will be playing third or fourth fiddle in our attack.
Firstly, it WAS a pen + on reflection of the game this seems a totally mute point. You just appear to be looking for a reaction like your previous article when you suggested Reina hadn't shown loyalty to the club for not dismissing the rumours he was on his way whereas Kuyt had done so immediately. The comparisons you make in your articles and supporting comments don't make sense. Is your remit to try and induce as much feedback for writing cr*p because if so you are very good at it. Perhaps that's what they call in journalism as 'taking a dive'?
ReplyDeleteI am a South African Liverpool fan and we get to see all of the EPL games. I can categorically state that there is not a single team in the EPL where diving doesn't take place. I'm not saying it's ok, but it is extremely unfair to pick out Luis Suarez for criticizm for something that so many do, notwithstanding the fact that it is debateable whether he actually dived or not. That said, it was a brilliant performance and a deserved win.
ReplyDeleteIt ain't a dive!! The commentator and pundits all agreed both takedowns were penalties. I understnd why the ref didn't give it, it was difficult to see. The only negative was Caroll, he's behind all his team mates wave lengths!! Look at his movements to both Jose and downings crosses, slow to react! However I am confident that he'll improve and be an asset to this Liverpool side.
ReplyDelete7 years of negativity? Sorry Jamie, we're you in a coma in 2008-2009? Under Benitez that year, we finished second in the league and had the fewest losses (2), most goals (77) and largest goal differential (50). That year, we ripped apart ManU at home 4-1 and destroyed teams in the CL, including Real Madrid 4-0. Yep, sounds like negative football to me.
ReplyDeleteToday's victory was something we saw alot of that year, espeically in the second half of the year. The only reason we didn't win the league is we drew 11 times and this was directly related to the lack of squad depth due to negative spending by the worst owners we've ever had.
This "last 7 years" comment is obviously another sad attempt to besmirch Benitez and his time at this club. Any fan with half a brain knows we would have won the title if he had the backing of owners like NESV.
At this point, all I can say is its no coincidence that almost every major Liverpool forum has a negative thread on you.
In one of them, it looked like suarez fell from nothing because he was 'past' the defender, but on replay, while the defenders feet were well behind suarez, he reached his hand out and pulled back suarez' foot slightly. suarez exaggerated it, but the fact that he grabbed his foot with his hand should have been a free kick.
ReplyDeleteYou've got it seriously wrong. On the replay you can see Knight clearly use his hands to take his ankle. The Sky commentators all said it was a pen. You're free to have an opinion bit if 99% of people disagree with you, you may want to re-analyse! Cheers.
ReplyDeleteFantastic performance I agree. I've been saying since the Sunderland game that there's something different to this Liverpool team that we haven't saw in a long time. Quality football from more than 2 people in possession and an attacking ethos that hasn't been there since the first half against Juventus in 05.
ReplyDeleteBut I can't agree with you saying Suarez dived. He was clearly clipped by the hand of the Bolton defender. Although at 1st I did wonder because of the tv camera angles but when you saw it from the sideline it was pretty clear.
Also don't be too hard on the guy, he obviously demands perfection. Look at Suarez after being substituted, he was raging. Possibly because he wanted to stay on to get his goal or possibly because his team werent winning by a larger deficit. Whatever the reason he looks like he wants to win at all costs and although I don't appreciate cheating it just might go hand in hand with south Americans.
Either way I hope he stays exactly as is.
I guess by adding comments we are fullfilling your dream Jamie of thinking you are important? You have to be different to attract attention perhaps? Are you truely a red or just up your own .....?
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Carroll is under pressure. He needs goals.....Suarez on the other hand, WHAT A PLAYER!
ReplyDeleteok article but hand caught suarez's ankle, as seen on MOTD...so not a valid slating, though little luis is capable of diving, thats for sure
ReplyDeleteYou are a 'PLONKER' - 'MISTER' KANWAR. You cannot resist having a dig at RAFA BENITEZ,which is what you were doing in your first paragraph! YOU HAV'N'T 'A CLUE' what you are talking about.Benitez planned some of the best results/wins that LFC have had against of the best teams in Europe! We have yet to see anything of that nature at LFC since he left! I reserve my judgement on what KK may achieve,great player but has to prove himself as manager ?
ReplyDeleteThe tackle was well before Luis fell, but his ankle was blatantly grabbed and that's what sent him tumbling. It was so snide that the ref didn't see it and neither did you. Watch it again closely. Not a dive.
ReplyDeletejaimie
ReplyDeleteyou got this wrong just watChed the sky broadcast on skyplus, as the defender goes down his right hand comes out and grabs el pistolero's ankle
NO DIVE! nev the red
Jamie, a really well written article. And it is really refreshing that someone is willing to talk about the negatives despite the prevailing Euphoria. However, with respect to the particular incident you pointed. My initial reaction too was that Suarez was culpable for simulation, by delaying his fall into the box and not at the point of contact. But a replay from the another angle, side line, showed that after the initial contact by the Defender which was outside the box. Another lugne was made at Suarez's legs from behind when he was inside the box. And that made him fall. Its just my observation though.
ReplyDeleteIdiotic post, it was clearly a penalty, he grabbed his ankle as he went past him!!
ReplyDeleteYour wrong on this one Jaimie
ReplyDeleteKnight clipped him outside alright, Suarez continued then Knight ankle tapped him with his hand in the box
Look at it again
clearly as seen on MOTD a hand caught his ankle. We oozed class 2day. Pace seemed to slow a little when Carroll came on. He needs to be quicker, on his toes and mentally. hope he's not a expensive flop
ReplyDeleteThank you for getting the proof to show how the author is totally wrong! We're all waiting for the apology.
ReplyDeleteUm, call me stupid, but what was so great about the team seven years ago?? (I presume you mean immediately before Rafa took over).
ReplyDeleteSeason 2003-04:
Won just 16 games out of 38, with 10 defeats.
Six 0-0 draws throughout the season & failed to score in 24% of games.
Failed to beat either Leicester, Wolves or Leeds away from home who were all relegated by some distance.
Beaten at home by Arsenal, Chelsea AND Manchester United.
Only one home win against any of the teams finishing in the top 7.
Suffered double defeats against both Charlton AND Southampton.
But yeah Jaimie, that was MILES better than anything that Rafa served up!!
Firstly, how long do you perceive 2-3 seconds to be. You can run 30m in 3secs.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, enough of my pedantic nature. You have this one totally wrong I'm afraid - as stated earlier he was pulled by Knight's hand in the period shortly after the tackle (and critically when he went down). As you rightly state "it sticks out like a sore thumb", yes it does, Zat Knight's sore thumb.
Seriously can't believe you are a Liverpool fan. Maybe an autistic one perhaps. After an assault on a team like that today, and you feel the urge to criticise our best performing player. You must make Ghana proud.
Hey Jaime, I don't usually reply to your blogs although I do read them. The version of the match I was watching on Fox, showed a replay later in the game from different angle, and it showed that the defender caught suarez's leg in his hands right before he slipped. The commentator said something like I was sure that was a dive but it looks like that should have been a penalty. I'm not making this up mate. I don't have a link to it either as it was on a stream. See if you can find it online, cause it may mean there were no negatives. :)
ReplyDeleteIn fairness to Suarez it's rare that he goes down, he usually does his best to score. The commentator originally thought he'd delayed his fall or was unsteady, but changed his mind later when he saw the hands of the defender catch his leg.
All the best...
jaime r u blind
ReplyDeletein the replay it was 3 sec's but that was slow motion. and lets look back on all the other times already players get nothing for being hacked down. its a part of the game now. you have to go down to win anything off refs. and he was getting munched all game. and not winning a thing.
ReplyDeleteHey Jamie,
ReplyDeleteGood read mate! But i also second the above comment. On Fox, the alternate view replay on the incidenf clearly shows the defender's hand clipping Luis's left ankle before he goes down. It's very obscure from the main TV angle and REALLY looks like a bad actor dive when i first saw it but i felt a bit better when i saw the replay. In both cases tho, i do think the contact was light, and if Luis could have stayed on his feet, it might have presented a goal/assist scenario...
Why did you delete my post when everyone else
ReplyDeleteIs saying what I said?
Steve - you can criticise my views but if you write things like 'Sorry, <span>but yet another poor article' then your post will be deleted. That is a derogatory comment and has absolutely nothing to do with debating the issues. I don't take it personally, it is a matter of principle. Attack the argument, not the person.</span>
ReplyDeleteYou haven't got a clue!
ReplyDeletethat is hardly attacking the person, as you stated steve has a right to his opinion and he didnt call you any names he just stated that in his opinion it was a poor article, clearly suarez was grabbed and you need to watch the replay again. Your a big boy now jamie and if someone critices a report then thats their right. you cant start deleting comments because you dont like them, that is biased (although i agree to deleting derogatory remarks) a simple opinion isnt such.
ReplyDeleteAre you going to retract your unfounded diving claim 2 stonewall pens not given and as for the backpass god only knows in your defence I think some people have missed the point of your 7 years comment I am sure you didn't mean we played this way just before raga took over but I would say it was longer ago than that that we started playing boring counter attack football
ReplyDeleteTypical kneejerk reaction. know your facts first.
ReplyDeleteNo , it is attacking the person. I'm not interested in whether people think my articles are poor; I'm interested in intelligent debate and counter-arguments (if warranted); people can tear my arguments to shreds as long as they do it in the right manner. I don't for around telling people 'That was yet another poor comment from you' do I? Whether I think a comment is poor or not has no bearing on the issues being discussed.
ReplyDeleteIt's too easy to just roll up and say 'your article is crap'. It's harder to explain why in a civil manner, without emotion getting in the way.
And don't start with the false argument about deleting comments I don't like. The comment policy clearly states:
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Not like you to be wrong Mr Kanwar . . . I don't think anyone who follows LFC will condone diving, but Suarez did not dive he was fouled in the box. He is an artistic tricky player who operates at speed so even the slightest touch can bring him down. If Suarez starts to act like Ronaldo did whilst at United I am sure the Kop will make it known that it is unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is what football is all about, opinions! I think Louis knew exactly what the outcome may have been in the danger zone and tried to exploit it.
ReplyDeleteHi Jaimie,
ReplyDeleteGood to have you back writing these articles again.
You're one of my favourite Liverpool journalists.
However, I've got to disagree with you on this one.
The player falling over should not even be relevant. A foul isn't dependent on a player going down - if the defender touches Saurez before the ball, then that should be enough.
Also, you said "<span><span>he could've stayed on his feet"</span></span>, but, assuming your statement is true, why should he? It's only a dive if he goes down without being touched.
If you think he should have stayed up due to a sense of sportsmanship, then why shouldn't we extend the logic further. Maybe everytime the ref makes mistake a player should correct him. Maybe with all Arsenal's injury problems, to make it a fairer contest, we should have played a weakened team.
The job of LFC is to win games without breaking the rules. And that's what Saurez did.
It's really refreshing that he got the entire premise of the article completely wrong?
ReplyDeleteThe reverse angle on the suarez fall showed that Knights leg clipped suarez on his ankle which led to the fall
ReplyDeleteIn other words, you reserve the right never to be criticised by anyone ever even when your articles are completely without foundation? Can I call you the worst football writer that I have ever read and a petulant sulk to boot as long as I back it up with references? eg this article and all of your comments therein?
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ReplyDelete<p><span><span>Sound observations Jamie about the style of play!<span> </span>Both Houllier and Rafa played cautious defense focused counter attacking football suited to European competition. <span> </span>You have to go back to Roy Evans (yes, that's what I said, Roy Evans!) to find the fluidity (push and run) adopted by KD. <span> </span>The problem Roy had was that there was no end product.<span> </span>Seriously, during his reign Liverpool played like Arsenal. <span> </span>I think you will find that his points tally was very respectable but second wasn't good enough. <span> </span>Unfortunately Roy suffered from being the low profile apprentice lacking the credibility to be given respect and backing. <span> </span>He wanted to sign Sherringham for £3million but the board said he was too old and he went on to score for fun for United, Tottenham and England. <span> </span>Anyway, the last time Liverpool played like this was during the King’s first reign! <span> </span>I've been following Liverpool since before the arrival of Shankly and the best football I've seen them play was Kenny's team with John Barnes et al. I'm really looking forward to this season!</span></span>
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</p><p><span><span>With regard to your so-called negative, I get your drift but I think you are too harsh! <span> </span>In my opinion the only negative was that the school should have been eight nil. <span> </span>Enjoyed your blog!<span> </span>Keep it up!</span></span>
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You're mistaken. Watch it again...without a pre-conceived agenda.
ReplyDeleteIf you WATCHED all the replays you would see he was clipped by knight hands, Id say its killing you liverpool so well, Always have something negative to write, So go ahead and delete my comment because i disagree with you
ReplyDeleteJaimie
ReplyDeleteA forward would be utterly naiive if he was to stay on his feet when an opponent grabs his foot with both hands, it's a penalty
There were possibly a few other ones when he went down a little easy, they may have been better examples to highlight
He got up immediately after being clattered by a wreckless Robinson tackle even though he was hurt, he didn't bother with theatrics, he just wanted a goal
Suarez is the most exciting player I've ever seen play for us. We are so lucky to have gotten him and Carroll in what was essentially a direct swap for Torres and Babel
Have you seen him live yet? I was at the Newcastle game last year. His workrate, energy and enthusiasm is awe inspiring. Everyone should be able to do it, but he has an unquenchable desire
Defenders hate him. Poor Zat Knight was totally exasperated yesterday to the extent that he RUGBY tackled him in the box. How desperate can a defender get??
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ReplyDeleteHi Simon. Suarez is the most exciting player you've ever seen for us? That's quite a statement! Each to their own though. In terms of exciting player, I'd take barnes, beardsley, Fowler and McManaman (amongst others) over Suarez.
ReplyDeleteYou can keep saying it but it doesn't make it true: comments that include derogatory comments/insults will be deleted. Comments that disagree in the right way will be kept. it's that simple.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's 'killing me' so much that Liverpool are doing so well that I wrote an entire article expressing how happy I am we're doing so well?!
Yes, that makes sense.
I totally agree with you re re Roy Evans - the style of player under him was simialr to what we're seeing now, and it was a joy tso watch. I absolutely loved the Roy Evans era - we may not have won anything but Liverpool were so exciting to watch, with Fowler, McManaman, Collymore et al doing the business. We also still had Barnesy and Rush, so there was a pleasing link to the past.
ReplyDeleteHi MagicDave - Thanks for your comments. You make some great points; like a lot of people have said, I think I may have been a little harsh on Suarez re my expectations.
ReplyDeleteNo - you can criticise me or my views as much as you like but in the right way.
ReplyDeleteWrong: you're an idiot; you write crap; this is the worst article I've every read.
Right: I disagree; I think you've been too harsh/missed the point etc (then provide examples).
And look around - lots of commentors criticise my views in the right way.
This site promotes fair and civilised debate - anyone who can't be bothered to engage in that can go elsewheree
Agreed. I think he could've stayed on his feet and scored/created a goal.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments. I've seen the replays and you're right about the contact. And overall, I agree, there were very fiew (if any) real negatives.
ReplyDeleteI'm referring to the general negative, counter-attacking style cultivated during the Benitez era (and earlier in the Houllier era).
ReplyDeletewe are looking good, new palyers gelling however way to early to judge it.
ReplyDeletewe can take serious points from the nxt 3games hope we keep it going.
cant agree with suarez crtisism (cheating etc,,) henderson got a card for a simulation last wednesday, torres was a perpetual 'cheat' if u judge players this way. many more players shame the game more - drogba,nani etc..
suarez is good if he had a decent left foot he wud be in maradona class.
pleased to see the new signings progress, what a strike from hendeson (note it was his left foot)
typical shallow fans have been on his case and carrols i belive in other places.
sad very sad , no doubt the same who diluted the clubs name over the gross treatment of hodgson.
I guess a certain elemnet always need to ridicule remenber the treatment of ablet etc..
Jamie Nice post with one glaring mistake. This leads me to be that you haven't got a clue about the real world. Two massive cheats by Bolton 1. deliberate handball in the box by Steinsonn no penalty. 2. deliberate ankle tap by Knight on Suarez no penalty. You're NAIIVE Suarez is an honest player you idiot. I've handled the ball on the line it's instinctive how can you measure a players integrity on 1 incident. You must be amanc in disguise.
ReplyDeleteknight caught him first outside the box, n then held suarez's foot with his hand for a fraction inside...check it on replays if you want
ReplyDeletehe was grabbed again...check replays james
ReplyDeleteI do not condone diving but Suarez could have easily awarded two penalties 1 definite so really he was hard done by, i see no comments regarding that though from u jamie.
ReplyDeletePoor article primarily because you refuse to mention Hodgson in this statement - 'The negative, safety-first approach that was often a feature of the Houllier and Benitez eras' - hodgson was more negative than either of them.
ReplyDeleteyou must be so blind to think that was a penalty! did you not see the replay! zack knight had his hand on suarez's foot! I think specsavers are doing special offers for the summer you should seriously check it out!
ReplyDeleteHave to say, there is a world of difference between a 'Ronaldo' (IE when you dive without contact) and where you are fouled but then perhaps accentuate the fallto ensure the ref sees it. It was a foul, an intewntional grab of thew ankle and should have been a penalty and perhaps a sending off.
ReplyDelete<span>"Suarez's antics in 'that' World Cup game"</span>
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about?
Suarez did what any saine person would do. He got red card for it and Gyan had a chance from penalty to give Ghana a win.
Basicly when the ball was heading to Uruguay's goal they were down, Suarez did only thing that could keep them fighting little more and they gone thorough.
What do you call when defenders use their hands to stop the attacker, or go for a faul knowing that they will get card for it?
If it's so than all defenders in the world are cheaters.
I'm not for going down in the box easily, referees remmamber that and then they are reluctant to give a penalty even if there was in fackt a penalty, but if I would be worried about Suarez's behevier it would be him biting someones ear more so than his "antics in WC" as you call it.
2-3 seconds , what you on about it's not even that in slow motion , should have gone to spec savers mate
ReplyDeleteYou saw the incident again and saw the Bolton defender stick a hand on Suarez's ankle and still think is a dive??? Please show me how are you going to stay on your feet when I pull your ankle while you are running...
ReplyDeleteThink you hate cheaters too much (or only Suarez because of his world cup hand ball incident) that it has blinded your fairness and judgement...
you missed out Hodgson in that statement too. Surez is a firey, emotional, never say die, want to win by any means, gives 100% type of player. So what if he dived, I dont care. He is making torres look like gary neville!!!!
ReplyDeleteI take your point. He doesn't share your opinion so must be axed....
ReplyDeleteI wonder why you single out Suarez when Adam's dive was much more obvious. Was the same kind of dive that Ramires got away with in the Chelsea game ...
ReplyDeleteI think you need to edit your edit and admit that you didn't watch the game as Knight clearly pulled at his feet.
ReplyDeleteif you watch it from the right angle you can see that zac knight grabs for his foot causing him to fall
ReplyDeleteIt's not about an opinion. It's a simple fact on this occasion suarez was brought down by the defenders hand and it was a penalty. It may be that in you believe he has a habit of going to ground too easily but that is irrelevent this time. I'm sorry Jaimie but you need to have another look and then come back and admit you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteI already said in the edit part of the article that my opinion could be wrong. I still think Suarez went down too easily (i.e. deliberately). Sorry - that's just what I think!
ReplyDeleteyour talking shite!the player grabed his leg so that is and always as been a foul
ReplyDeleteJamie you do make me laugh, this is the second time I'm reading and commenting on your post. You have had a typcal knee jerk reaction to something you thought you saw. This is a common plague that we seem to have, if you had waited to see the highlights or he end of the game depending if you went to the match or not) you would have had a clear view from different cameras to make your judgement.
ReplyDeleteIf you wanted a "problem" the only one I saw is when liverpool lost their way with passing the ball in the latter parts of both half's but that will get better with time and playing time. Adam looked a little lack lustered in the middle of the park at times but what an amazing left boot!!! Lucas was running the park and looked after Adam's mistakes (which I'm sure Kenny will talk to him about). Lastly Henderson wondering far too much, apart from that I thought it was a great display.
Lets be realistic we need to get a decent start and the team is doing very well. I wouldn't have put a fault into your report but thats just what it is your report. We played yesterday without Stevie,Raul,Glen,Andy the squad is just getting better infront of our eyes.
Jaimie, you weren't a little harsh, just completly wrong!
ReplyDelete"Having viewed the incident again, I still believe Suarez dived"
ReplyDeleteHave a careful look again and you'll find the defender pulled himm from his (Suarez's) ankle.
So many t imes Torres stod up on his and what did that give us NOTHING, a good attacker takes his chances.
ReplyDeleteSuarez didnt dive!!!!!If you look at it again Zat Knight grabbed his foot!Give Suarez a break!!!
ReplyDeleteStevie Wonder could even see that it was not a dive!Time for an appointment for Specsavers for you Dude!!!! ;)
ReplyDeleteI guess having seen him live, it makes a big impression, because of the torturous time he gives defenders
ReplyDeleteI never saw any of the legends you have mentioned play live, but have seen all the footage of them
So I'll qualify my statement - "Suarez is the most exciting player I've seen play live" - even better than Torres
I saw Lineker playing against Bohemians in Dublin in 1989 and he was amazing. I remember people saying he couldn't head a ball, he nearly scored with a Roy of the Rovers diving header that made the entire stadium gasp
My first lesson in questioning "expert" pundits at age 10!!!
You must be blind , if you looked at the incident you would have seen zat grabbed suarez's ankle . So live a great player alone if you wish to have any credit atwriting articles
ReplyDeleteHow come you totally ignore the disaster fest of football that was being served up with Hogdson in charge for 6 mths last season??
ReplyDeleteQuick to criticise Benitez, but I don't remember much counter-attacking boring football in 08/09 when we dispatched Real Madrid, Man U and Aston Villa in a space of a few weeks with 13 goals in just those 3 games alone, finishing with over 100 goals scored in the year!
It's convenient how people seem to act as if Hogdson was never at the club!!
What about....
ReplyDeleteI think you are wrong and here is photographic evidence to show why.
Apparently providing photos to highlight a point (such as Jaimie Kanwar got it wrong AGAIN) is banned on here!!
www.tinyurl.com/kanwarwrongagain
liverpool, stil the best
ReplyDeleteif you watch the replays the defender grabs his foot so it is a pe but there is no way the officials could have seen it. but to acuse suars of cheating is just stpidity
ReplyDelete2-3 seconds? time it, you're completely wrong here. no dive, either.
ReplyDeleteThink that, at the time, it looked as if he had delayed falling because people were looking at the defender's legs. But the much of the delay is that the arm came round after. At that speed anything can knock you off your stride. And, the more you try to stay up, the longer it takes you to fall. I've played football at a decent level, and a lot of what people call diving is often someone trying to fall in the right way so as not to break an arm or something. Not saying that Suarez did not go down easy, but players who go down easy when an infringement has taken place, that has denied them a goalscoring chance, are not cheats or divers. How often does the ref give a penalty when a player does not go down?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, there should be a panel at the FA that look at every penalty awarded each week, and an automatic red card should be awarded for divers. But if someone encourages the ref to make the RIGHT decision, I don't see the problem.
While they are at it, they can give an automatic red to players who remonstrate with players on the ground when they have obviously fouled them and try to con the ref into thinking they didn't.