Yesterday, I posted an article analysing comments Pepe Reina made a few days ago re his future at Liverpool FC. Today, Reina has made a statement on the club's site saying that he has not told Roy Hodgson he is leaving. My article has absolutely nothing to do with what Reina is talking about, and this is 100% obvious to anyone with even rudimentary comprehension skills.
My article focused on the following comments made by Reina a few days ago:
"I signed a six-year deal seven months ago and I'm happy at the club, but every footballer wants to be competing for trophies and winning things. I will stay at Liverpool at least until the end of the season. I know there are rumours about me leaving but I want to make it clear that I have no intention of going back to Spain"
Fans are perfectly entitled to question these comments, which is what I did. At no point did I hint, suggest or infer that Reina had:
a) Spoken to Roy Hodgson about his future
b) Told Hodgson he was leaving in January.
I used his comments to make a broad point about loyalty in modern football (or lack thereof).
Today, Reina said the following on the LFC.tv website:
"I have seen a newspaper has made this suggestion. It is completely untrue. I have not told the manager that I wish to leave in January, or at any other time. It is important our fans know this. I have a long-term contract at Liverpool and I am fully committed to the club".
Reina is referring to a report today by the Daily Mirror saying that he will leave in January. Anyone can see that his comments have nothing to do with my article from yesterday.
Today, Reina specifically refutes that he has told Roy Hodgson that he is leaving in January. Nowhere in my article from yesterday did I say anything about Reina talking to Hodgson, or leaving in January. I have not posted anything of the sort EVER. My article quite clearly analyses comments made by Reina earlier in the week, comments that are worthy of discussion.
I'm posting this because some people with serious comprehension problems are deliberately lying and misinterpreting my earlier article. Any fair-minded person can see that my article from yesterday and Reina's comments today are mutually exclusive.
Reina has not refuted the comments I used in my article. Why? Because they are true.
I'll say again: Reina has refuted allegations made in newspaper articles about the possibility of him leaving in January. This has nothing to do with me because I never argued it in the first place.
Nothing Reina has said today changes the fact that a few days ago, he said the following:
"I signed a six-year deal seven months ago and I'm happy at the club, but every footballer wants to be competing for trophies and winning things. I will stay at Liverpool at least until the end of the season. I know there are rumours about me leaving but I want to make it clear that I have no intention of going back to Spain"
These are the comments I addressed, and given their nature, I had every right to do so.
As I said earlier, the inability for people to comprehend the obvious really is disturbing. Then again, I have to expect that people are going to try and twist anything and everything I write. It's par for the course.
NB. This article is aimed at the small minority of people who regularly try and twist the meaning of what I write, and spread misinformation on LFC messageboards, Twitter etc.
Jaimie Kanwar
My article focused on the following comments made by Reina a few days ago:
"I signed a six-year deal seven months ago and I'm happy at the club, but every footballer wants to be competing for trophies and winning things. I will stay at Liverpool at least until the end of the season. I know there are rumours about me leaving but I want to make it clear that I have no intention of going back to Spain"
Fans are perfectly entitled to question these comments, which is what I did. At no point did I hint, suggest or infer that Reina had:
a) Spoken to Roy Hodgson about his future
b) Told Hodgson he was leaving in January.
I used his comments to make a broad point about loyalty in modern football (or lack thereof).
Today, Reina said the following on the LFC.tv website:
"I have seen a newspaper has made this suggestion. It is completely untrue. I have not told the manager that I wish to leave in January, or at any other time. It is important our fans know this. I have a long-term contract at Liverpool and I am fully committed to the club".
Reina is referring to a report today by the Daily Mirror saying that he will leave in January. Anyone can see that his comments have nothing to do with my article from yesterday.
Today, Reina specifically refutes that he has told Roy Hodgson that he is leaving in January. Nowhere in my article from yesterday did I say anything about Reina talking to Hodgson, or leaving in January. I have not posted anything of the sort EVER. My article quite clearly analyses comments made by Reina earlier in the week, comments that are worthy of discussion.
I'm posting this because some people with serious comprehension problems are deliberately lying and misinterpreting my earlier article. Any fair-minded person can see that my article from yesterday and Reina's comments today are mutually exclusive.
Reina has not refuted the comments I used in my article. Why? Because they are true.
I'll say again: Reina has refuted allegations made in newspaper articles about the possibility of him leaving in January. This has nothing to do with me because I never argued it in the first place.
Nothing Reina has said today changes the fact that a few days ago, he said the following:
"I signed a six-year deal seven months ago and I'm happy at the club, but every footballer wants to be competing for trophies and winning things. I will stay at Liverpool at least until the end of the season. I know there are rumours about me leaving but I want to make it clear that I have no intention of going back to Spain"
These are the comments I addressed, and given their nature, I had every right to do so.
As I said earlier, the inability for people to comprehend the obvious really is disturbing. Then again, I have to expect that people are going to try and twist anything and everything I write. It's par for the course.
NB. This article is aimed at the small minority of people who regularly try and twist the meaning of what I write, and spread misinformation on LFC messageboards, Twitter etc.
Jaimie Kanwar
"Nothing Reina has said today changes the fact that a few days ago, he said the following:
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"I signed a six-year deal seven months ago and I'm happy at the club, but every footballer wants to be competing for trophies and winning things. I will stay at Liverpool at least until the end of the season. I know there are rumours about me leaving but I want to make it clear that I have no intention of going back to Spain""</span>
APART FROM THE FACT THAT HE'S SAID THE STORY IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE!PLEASE POST THE LINK TO WHERE REINA MADE THESE COMMENTS.
No, Matt. You still don't get it, do you? it's EMBARRASING. Reina has refuted the Daily Mirror story THAT WAS POSTED TODAY, specifically arguing that he would leave in January.
ReplyDeleteTHAT is the story to which he refers to. He is NOT referring to the other comments he made earlier in the week, which were reported by EVERY news organisation on the planet as they were made AFTER THE CHELSEA GAME IN FULL VIEW OF JOURNALISTS.
You really are embarrassing yourself. Try and understand already. No amount of you twisting things is going to change the facts.
Flip flops are not just footwear Jamie....
ReplyDeleteThere is no such thing as 1000% - please correct this
ReplyDelete"I have a long-term contract at Liverpool and I am fully committed to the club.
ReplyDelete“Our new owner met me and some of the other players last week and I was very happy with what he told me.”
this is what he said today. Which if you read kind of refutes the quote you are working off. Explain every angle that committed to the club means, then choose what angle you are trying to go with. Then look at it and think, which story will get more hits. That is the one you went with. And now it has been proved to be the wrong one.
What I find disturbing is the total lack of respect you have for your readers.
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ReplyDeleteNo it does not refute the quote from my article. Reina said what he said, and when the comments are in the public domain they are open to debate. Obviously, someone has forced Reina to make a statement to quell the confusion he himself started with his comments earlier in the week. if he'd just kept his mouth shut then none of this would've happened.
ReplyDeleteThe interpretation I chose of Reina's comments is, IMO, the only interpretation. You can bury your head in the sand and choose to ignore the obvious, or you can be honest.
Of course, personal opinion plays into this: If it was Babel who said what Reina did he would've been slated; if a player everyone likes says stuff like that they are defended.
Perhaps you should look at your own personal objectivity on this issue.
It is not a big deal, Players leave when they are not happy. I was watching Rushie on LFC TV and he said clearly one of the reasons he left for Juventus was FINANCIAL. He need to secure his family's future. It doesnt bother me one bit if a player wants to leave, different players ll leave for different reason, money, ambition, change in management, different cities, weather, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR DECISIONS. I am glad Reina is staying but if he wants to leave to win medals, I totally understand.
ReplyDeleteIf by readers you mean those who take what I write and deliberately lie and twist the meaning in order to serve their own personal agenda then you're right, I do have a lack of respect for them. So please don't try and do the same as them by deliberately confusing who I've aimed this article at.
ReplyDeleteOn one hand Jaimie is criticising Reina for wanting to leave, on the other hand he is writing about Agger " Has Agger requested to leave? But because you believe is injury prone, you dont mind him leaving despite his contract. But you want Reina to stay right? Essentially you are saying players should honour their contract but clubs shouldnt (since you are advocating the sale of Agger). nice one mate...
ReplyDeleteDaniel Agger to Inter? Let him go. Liverpool needs to *STOP* buying injury-prone players
I knew you would get a lot of I told you so's dying to come to site in light of Reina's comments today.
ReplyDeleteFor once I agree with you Jaimie!! - the comments made my Reina refer to a fabricated article in the Mirror and NOT the comments Reina himself made the other day. At no point today did he say he is going to stay at the club. He said he is "fully comitted" - we knew that by his performances. He said he loves the club - we also know that. He has not backtracked on anything he said the other day!!
"IMO The only interpretation". Are you mad, yourself as a journalist/blogger you should have a better command of the english language, and be able to identify possible interpretations. Its not me who has his head buried in the sand.
ReplyDeleteThe media would never lie or twist things!!!
ReplyDeletewhen you say EVERY news organisation on the planet...what organisations are u referring to?
Gerrard wanted to go to Chelsea because of lack of ambition, and money. Liverpool had to give him an improved offer to stay. This is not a unique situation, Players are human being and greed is part of our being. I bet if Jaimie is offer £500K per year to write for Inter Milan, Suddenly you ll find all the good thing about Rafa No? lie to yourself and tell us, you wouldnt take the job... 8-)
ReplyDeleteSick of this site now. It was a place for some good analytical opinion, now its just random paranoia. <span> </span>Your tagline is “critical realism for LFC” when in fact you are just bludgeoning your opinions, however well researched, down people’s throats.<span> </span>People who take the trouble to log in to your site in the first place.<span> </span>If you really want to dispel myths why don’t you become reactive to the nonsense Sky Sports peddle every weekend we are on a live match.<span> </span>Richard Keys sets a tone of negativity in every way conceivable with baseless arguments.<span> </span>And as for his cohort Mr Gray…<span> </span>Analyse that and all their bias and I might just be interested again.
ReplyDeleteI clearly said IN MY OPINION. You know, OPINION. In my opinion there is only one interpretation of Reina's comments.
ReplyDeleteExactly, Steven. This is the power of the media though. People don't think about what is said; they just accept it hook, line and sinker.
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</p><p>I would firstly like to say that whilst I don't avidly follow your blog (because I am quite a busy chap) I do like the factual detail that you often apply to your posts. I also admire the fact that unlike many other people you saw through Benitez some time ago and those of us that did have been abused for daring to question 'Rafa'.
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</p><p>What concerns me with this post though is that you seem to be ranting about something and that makes me suspicious of your motives. Are you trying to be controversial a la 'talksport' to drive people to your blog? Are you trying to discretely suggest that Pepe Reina's decision, the Daily Mirror article and your blog are in some way linked? Or is it as simple as someone has just wound you up on this matter?
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</p><p>Whichever it is I think you do yourself an injustice because you clearly have a lot to say about Liverpool FC and you like people to know your opinion but you have a unique style that (in the long run) won't endear you to many people.
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</p><p>I must stress that I am saying this because I do like a lot of the stuff you post but you need to climb down from your high horse and respect the fact that everyone has an opinion, some put their's across well and others don't. As the blogger here you need to improve your approach and thus gain some respect from your peers and more importantly from those fans that pay their hard=earned money to follow LFC through the wind and the rain.
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</p><p>On the subject of Reina he is as committed as the next player and it was actually the agent of a Manchester United target that 'upped' the Reina to United rumours to force the situation that we now have. Expect United to sign a new keeper very soon....but the surname will not be Reina and the christian name will not be Pepe.
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Yes but if you build a website and use it to write your opinions and publish to the world, then expect them to be analysed...
ReplyDeleteJamie, do the .0001% deserve an article written by you to address this? When you say in your title the "poor comprehension skill" it looks to be aimed at all those that might disagree with a particular post. Surely people would have different opinions and this site should encourage healthy debate - As I would admit about myself - I am not ALWAYS right.
ReplyDeleteI still believe Reina has the right to say at least until the end of the season. Djibril Cisse would go on about how he would be at liverpool for many years....the fact is that even if you are under contract you can be sold at any time.
Why do we have to analyze 1 comment made to a journo so much?? He has signed a contract for 6yrs lets leave it at that.
Hi GBH,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments.
The reason I posted this article was because people were lying and misrepresenting my earlier article about Reina. They are trying to say that I posted an article saying that Reina would be gone in January, which is completely untrue. My detractors will then post those lies on Twitter, other LFC boards, on this site in the comments section, and, in some cases, directly in an article slagging me off (which has often been the case)
Am I not entitled to defend myself?
My earlier article about Reina has nothing to do with his comments refuting the Mirror article today, and I felt compelled to defend myself over the misinformation being peddled.
If people lie about what I write, or delibertely misinterpret my views as part of their anit-Kanwar agenda, then I am going to set the record straight. If I say nothing then the lies become truth; people go around thinking that I argued that Reina would leave in January, which is just not true. It's a matter of principle: if people lie about you, you set the record straight.
I appreciate your comments, but I am not interested in gaining the 'respect of my peers'; I have a very specific view of LFC, and my approach reflects that. People either like it or they don't. If they don't, then that's completely okay with me - people are entitled to their views, and they're welcome to not visit this site.
I am not going to change my approach to pander to people, or appease people. If no one visited this site it would make no difference to me - I'm not in it for the hits; if I was, this site would be saturated with Ads, and I'd be making lots of money. I take regular breaks from the site of up to 5-6 months too, which again shows that I'm not in it for the hits.
I like writing about LFC, and I write about things that interest me. If people don't like me, or the site, that's down to them.
Re Reina: I have not referenced any newspaper article about him. I built my article around quotes he made. If the quotes are in the public domain, they're open to analysis.
If you're sick of this site, why are you here? The simple solution is not to visit, surely?
ReplyDeleteJaimie, could you state when & where Reina made the comment you had reported earlier? Or you just like any other reporters who like to imagine then telling us that your writing is True but completely false. I suggest there a people who are MAD wanted to be popular by creating stories.
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Totally agree, Ben. I do expect that. By the same token, I am then allowed to respond to that analysis, no?
ReplyDeleteReina's comments were reported in every reputable news source. Do a Google search. Not every quote reported is false. Are you now going to argue that Reina's comments to LFC.tv (reported in The Guardian/Telepgraph etc) are false too?
ReplyDeleteDo a google search.
ReplyDeleteAndrew - when that 0.0001% is responsible for lying and slagging me off on pretty much every LFC messageboard, then yes, this article is necessary. Take lfc.tv, for example - the usual suspects have been lying and posting libellous stuff about me for months. It got to the stage when I had to threaten the site with a defamation suit As soon as lfc.tv received the letter from my lawyer, they removed all the slanderous posts that were on the site. This is a very real issue. Some of the stuff being posted about me just for having an opinion is ridiculous, which is why I have to defend myself. It goes with the territory of course, and it's my choice to do this; that doesn't mean people can just lie about whatever they like without being challenged.
ReplyDeletewhy don't you just answer matt's Q and post the link???
ReplyDeleteand please stop using caps!! its quite irritating reading the text anyways!
0.0001% is one in a million. Are you suggesting you have 1,000,000 readers. Impressive!!
ReplyDeleteIt's actually 2m+ readers so far and rising.
ReplyDeleteTypical Daily Mirror Shite.
ReplyDeleteDavid Madcocks, the donkey who always slates Liverpool & has a real chip on his shoulder, should be sacked for the amount of anti LFC news he spouts.
OR LETS BLACK THE DAILY MAN UTD MIRROR FOR 1 WEEK
Exactly what I thought when reading the article. It should read 100%.
ReplyDeleteHere is a post in response to your previous article on Reina and modern day footballers, it also applies here
ReplyDeleteThere was a time in football when the maximum wage existed, it meant that the good players were spread throughout the country and divisions so was good for fans to see their local heroes stay with their club, good example being Stanley Matthews with Stoke City
However it was not good for professional players who had limited freedom of contract, and were unfairly limited to earning to their full potential
Now we have gone to the other end of the spectrum, where players earn multiple times the annual average industrial wage in just one week. They have lost touch with the punters
A partial solution to this madness would be a salary cap based on a percentage of turnover. Simple as
I work for a large telecomms company, my only loyalty to my employer is based on the fact that they pay me a salary that I use to pay mortgages, raise my kids etc. If a rival company comes calling with better conditions I'm gone, no doubt
Are we really naiive enough to believe that Pepe Reina loves Liverpool enough to turn down better employment conditions / greater prospects for glory elsewhere?
I'm not, they are professionals. Anybody see Koscielny from Arsenal laughing and joking with Drogba after Chelsea had stuffed them, while the gooners fans were crying?? These players couldn't care less, especially the foreign guys with zero connection / memories of glory days etc. This is not meant as a slight but they are mercenaries, like any professional in their chosen field
Reina will probably stay if we get top 4 and some decent players in January. How long do we honestly expect him to hang about for if we don't?
If he wants to leave we will get some decent cash for him although the search for his successor will not be easy, there is so much hype and BS in transfer market these days. Take for example the french goalkeeper Lloris, magical shot stopper but pure muck on crosses. Let's hope Comolli uses more than highlight DVDs to sign players
How many good keepers have we had since Grobelaar? Just Pepe, he took us a decade to find
The future will hopefully be built around players like Martin Kelly, Spearing (slightly doubt his long term future at the club), young scousers who are fans.
We can also sign 21-24 year old foreign players with potential resale value
This seems to be stated NESV goal
Don't be too harsh on Reina, it's the football business whether we like it or not
Even Gerrard only stayed "loyal" after repeatedly getting bumper new deals so lets not kid ourslves here<span>
Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/11/pepes-reinas-comments-expose-selfish.html#ixzz155X9kDZh</span>
Hm, "we have to respect their decisions." Well, should we respect these decisions without considering that they signed a legal contract and probably receive a handsome signing-on fee? I would not sell a six year contract with any company if I had any thoughts about possibly leaving within a year.
ReplyDeletekanwar gets it wrong again what a supprise =-O
ReplyDeleteReina is a fantastic professional and a winner who wants to compete.Rafa brought players to the club always with a winning mentality,Reina isnt interested in getting a payrise.What Reina imo was saying even though it may have sounded different as english is not his language and he didnt want to be seen to having any doubts about NESV is it is basically up to the owners to make us competitive.If we have another scenario like H and G he will go and who could blame him.He has spoken to Henry and he says he is satisfied with his answers,but dont forget H and G promised Torres all sorts and gave nothing.Actions are what is required,Reina has seen LFC deterioate from CL final to 7th due to owners lack of investment.Reina like Rafa and Torres have LFC in their heart and want the best for LFC.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to lack comprehension of many of your poster's comments too JK. The majority of posters here disagreed with your insinuations that Reina was "selfishly arrogant" and not committed to the club, they didn't necessarily disagree that Reina had made the comments.
ReplyDeleteIn your previous article you interpreted his comments and jumped to the conclusion that he was selfishly arrogant and wasn't committed to the club. He now says that he is not leaving and he is committed to the club, which essentially puts an end to the matter. You can continue in vain to suggest that you were still right by being pedantic and analysing specific comments, or you could do the grown up thing and just admit you were wrong. Straight from the horse's mouth we have heard he is committed and that he doesn't want to leave "in January or at any other time". It doen't matter which newspaper article he is refuting.
And this isn't poor comprehension on my part.
Your interpretation of his earlier comments; "Pepe Reina's disappointing recent comments (arguably) show that he is not fully committed to Liverpool FC."
Your article was titled "Pepe Reina's comments expose the "selfish arrogance" eating away at the heart of football"
Reina's comments today: "It is important our fans know this. I have a long-term contract at the club and am fully committed to the club."
What the majority of people want you to backtrack on are the insinuations you made of Reina's character, i.e selfishly arrogant and not commited to the club. On that opinion you are clearly wrong based on what the man himself has said today. You can't deny that by saying that he didn't refute a particular comment, or by saying that he was only referring to a particular article in the Mirror.
Is that unique visits or repeat offenders like myself?
ReplyDeleteEither way, good stuff
Jaimie,
ReplyDeleteA couple of points.
Firstly, if players did not have ambitions, as Reina clearly does, they would never improve and develop into the players they are. It is the drive and determination to be the best that makes players such as Reina stand out in the game and reach the top as he clearly has. It is only natural that they would want to be somewhere that reflects their own drive, determination and will to be the best. Clearly Liverpool do not currently sit in that position. He signed for a team that had just won the Champions League and for a manager that in the prevailing years had secured incredible success. He now finds himself in a situation where, despite new owners, the club is languishing lower than at any time in his career to date, with a manager that has never won anything of note and players coming in that have made the club worse rather than better. I have absolutely no doubt, admittedly no proof either, but no doubt at all that when he signed his new contract the likes of Purslow made promises of the club being sold before the end of the summer - huge player investment - a real turnaround of fortunes etc etc. Now he has stated that, if the club is not matching his ambition, he may have to reconsider his position. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. He showed his loyalty to the club at the time by signing a 6 year contract. By the token of your argument he should expect the same loyalty from his employers and I'm sure he hopes that will be true. If he sees the addition of players that will push this club back toward the top I would expect him to stay. If we are still signing the likes of Konchesky and Poulsen next summer he will leave.
Secondly, if players didn't have the ambition to win trophies no-one would ever have joined liverpool. The likes of Kenny Dalglish signed for liverpool not because he had a love for the club but because he wanted to win trophies outside of Scotland, play in those famous european nights at Anfield and probably to say he had played for the great Bob Paisley. He left Celtic, his boyhood club, to play for Liverpool FC and yet I would not expect you to say that Kenny Dalglish was disloyal - and yes he left Celtic for British transfer fee record so I would expect he was also enjoying the riches, albeit reflective of the time, that joining Britain's most succesful club brought with it. The likes of Henry and Vieira signed for Arsenal, not because of their amazing history but because of Arsene Wenger and his style of Football.
Thirdly, I believe the object of your most vociferous durge of hatred, Rafa Benitez, still had a five year contract with the club when he was very publically sacked from his job. Now surely the club, who offered him such a large and long contract, should never have changed their mind about that once it was offered and signed. Surely if they felt he was worthy of the contract when it was given to him they couldn't possibly have changed their mind whether we had finished seventh or seventeenth. And yet there was nothing but praise from you when the club went back on their guarantee of a job for Mr Benitez for another five years. Could it be that you have taken this slant toward Reina partly because he credited Benitez as being one of the reasons he came to Liverpool? And very obviously does not think Hodgson or his goalkeeping appointee are up to scratch?
Carragher, a boyhood Evertonian as we all know, joined Liverpool as a young lad. Now was that because he had a sudden love affair with the red side of merseyside or because at the time we had Kenny in charge, were winning league titles and saw Liverpool as more likely place to obtain success? I think we all know the answer.
I really do not get your point with this line of argument [...]
In my opinion, Reina's comments were both selfish and arrogant, and if you don't like that, you can lump it.
ReplyDeleteHe signed a 6 year deal 7 months ago. He should not be making comments like 'I will stay to the end of the season at least' in public. OF COURSE HE'LL STAY - HE'S CONTRACTED FOR 6 YEARS. The least he SHOULD do is stay till the end of the season. It shouldn't even be a question for discussion.
7 months ago, Liverpool were in the midst of an atrocious season. Things were far worse than they are now, and many fans were preching doom and gloom. Now, Reina makes reference to winning trophies; why didn't he say that 7 months ago when he was offered a huge new contract? He didn't care about winning trophies then, did he - he just wanted the money.
Reina is a mercenary just like most other players. He is in it for the money and the personal glory. He is not here because he loves Liverpool. He even admitted himself that Benitez was 'the reason I came to Liverpool'. Just becuase he then backtracks and says he's committed to the club doesn't change what he said originally.
It's exaggeration to make a point.
ReplyDeleteI didn't start recording stats until a year after the site started. Unique visitors is currently at 1.9m, but taking into account that 1 year period, it will be well over 2m in reality.
ReplyDeleteI would say that most visitors come here to read the interesting discussion that you and all the other commentors generate. That's one of the main reasons I write about LFC - I love reading all the opinions.
David Maddock aint no Donkey and was very instrumental in the Anti Hicks Gillett campaign.. He is very knowledgeable when it comes to Liverpool FC and has a genuine passion for the club.. I was as disappointed as anyone to read the Pepe Reina article and couldn't believe it came from him.. I can only assume that Pepe is frustrated at Liverpool and wants things to get better.. I believe he is more committed then most players and is not self absorbed as Jamie has said.. i would prefer Liverpool players to be pissed off and trying to force the issue for investment in players, improvement in level of manager than to be a passenger happy to be on Liverpool's books like Ryan Babel.
ReplyDeleteNote to Jamie - You are been condescending to your readers with repeating opinions, using capitals etc.. Lots of good stuff on here too..keep it up and don't take it so personally.
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ReplyDeleteStick to the comment policy. Your last comment was just botching about me. Email me if you wNt to do that.
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Stick to the comment policy. Your last comment was just bitching about me. Email me if you want to do that.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, Reina's comments were both selfish and arrogant, and if you don't like that, you can lump it.
ReplyDeleteThank you JK for providing a perfect example of all that is wrong with this website and your style. In your opinion he is selfish and arrogant, but when someone argues against it you cannot handle it; you have to argue your point of view until blue in the face and we can "lump it. You then go on to say people lack comprehension or they are hyproctical or that they are traitorous, all because they have a different opinion. Well that is their opinion so why don't you lump it. Or is your opinion the only valid one?
At no point did I say that believe everything a player so I'm not even going to bother debating that issue with you. There is a poor comprehension skill from you if that's what you think I said.
I'm not ignoring his earlier comments. I just didn't jump to the conclusion that he was selfishly arrongant or not commited to the club. I'm not as highly strung as you and do not take footballers comments seriously most of the time. In general footballer are uneducated, some can barely string a sentence together, so most of the time I don't actually care what they say. When he made his comments he may not have realised that they would be picked apart some bloke on the internet either. He probably shouldn't have said what he said but so what. He now turned around and siad he has no intenton of leaving and he is full committed. Get over it mate. Why don't you just enjoy the football this weekend and the leave the trivialities alone?
I am actually much more objective than you JK. I have no agenda, whereas in the time that I have been coming here you have had an agenda against Rafa, Kuyt, Johnson and Mascherano to name but a few. You call it criticial realism, i don't. I accept that these players weren't perfect, they have flaws but I prefer to live my like in a half full way and see the benefits rather than the negatives. Of course the negatives have to be discussed and I do. I have no favourites players, I support the whole team.
Reina is a just like most other players. He is in it for the money and the personal glory. He is not here because he loves Liverpool. Just because he comes across as a nice guy doesn't change that. He even admitted himself that Benitez was 'the reason I came to Liverpool'. Just becuase he then backtracks and says he's committed to the club doesn't change what he said originally.
Well done Sherlock, you've worked out that footballers are in it for the money. Are you reallt naive to believe that they do it purely for the love of the game or for tge club they play for. How many players really love the clubs they play for? These people are blessed enough to play football for a living but it still just a job. If he says he is now committed then that is fine by me.
Maybe Reina thought seven months ago that Rafa would still be here, Seven months ago he didn't know that Hodgson would be manager. Even you admit that Hodgson is a stop gap manager, so can you blame a player at his peak to being having second thoughts.
Please provide evidence Reina was forced to make this statement. Don't start using your speculation to support your argument
ReplyDelete1.9m unique visitors is an amazing tally, although i visit from up to 4 different IPs
ReplyDeleteStart sticking a few adverts on dude
Have you changed the title of this post??
I accidentally deleted my post. Can you put it back on. You can put the edited versin back on :)
ReplyDeleteSome good points here
ReplyDeleteFootballers are highly paid professionals. It's their living. They probably played football as children for enjoyment like I still do but now it is about earning a lot of cash in their relatively short career, granted that one year's salary would do any of us for 2 lifetimes.
We all pay to play 5 a side football, Sunday league football, we all pay to watch football live or on tv. We finance it
English football has become a financial bohemeth, it is not a bubble, more a septic boil, ready to burst
Reina was discovered by Rafa, his loyalties perhaps lay with him. We hear stories that he is unhappy with his goalkeeping coach at the moment. How can some old guy dare tell a footballer on £5 million gross a year how to play? That's the attitude of the pros today
Loyalty in football does not exist. It never did!!!!!
Can anybody acknowledge this or my previous post???
Professionals were controlled for decades by maximum wage
There was no freedom of movement
Our beloved Stevie G nearly left multiple times and blamed ambition of the club etc. Blah de blah de blah!!!!!!!!! He got bumper deals each time FFS
I know this is an argument spoiler but this is reality. There is no debate, no Liverpool Way, no loyalty
We need to guarantee that we develop local talent, they will become new icons and will be as loyal as you can be in professional football terms
I could set up my own website about football, but my arguments would be too simplisticand kill sensible debate because it is the crux of the issue
Salary / spending cap required
Emphasis on local talent, let a Liverpool team represent Liverpool
Or am I talking horse shit?
Brilliant points. Agree wholeheartedly with all of these comments
ReplyDeleteJamie, I have been following your blog for a few weeks and you know what? I am 100% with you! Keep it up!
ReplyDelete<span>"The media would never lie or twist things!!!"</span>
ReplyDeleteBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!.....HA HA HA...
if anything, they totally would. money talks in this world, and the rich and powerful controls the media or the poor ones will create stories to get rich. it's up to you to follow them blindly or find your own interpretation or reliable source
For me the issue isn't whether Reina has the right to want more money or loyalty, is the fact that he said this in the media.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool Football has endured a horrid 12 months and we are now starting to show signs of recovery so the last thing the club needed was for one its most influential players to come out with the statment that Reina did.
How does saying things like that help the Club?
One of my biggest hates about Rafa/H & G was that they were always going to the press every 5 minutes. That is not the Liverpool Way.
We were famous for keeping things behind closed doors.
If Reina wants to leave, or is thinking about leaving for whatever reasons then have the discussion behind close doors and don't say or even give hints that you might leave to the press.
As I said, the last thing that the club needs during this good patch is players making comments like these.
I m the first to disagree with jamie usually. But I am with him on this one his article and what reina said yesterday two totally different things.
ReplyDeleteI Too enjoy the facts and figures posted and enjoy any well thought out opinion or discussion on things that interest me, whether i agree or not.
ReplyDeleteIt seems lately Jamie,from what I read on this site, more and more, is you very rarely now get into a discussion or debate on issues, but you are staunchly protective of your view, sometimes rightly. A lot of your responses are usually to defend against mindless sniping and childish retorts to your opions.
People seems to know how to push your buttons and you respond.
Just a thought but maybe you should just ignore the mindless idiots and engage in sensible debate with sensible people?
When it come to football no British paper is reputable. they just love to cut the legs from under the english football team and write non stop transfer gossip about clubs and players
ReplyDeleteTimbo, I like your points. Reina is an ambitious player. A contract is agreement between two parties. In my opinion time is more important than money, I wouldnt expect an ambitious player such as Reina to sacrifice a substantial proportion of his playing career to stay at Liverpool if the assurances about player investment etc that he would have been surely given when he signed his contract were not met. In my opinion the way Reina has conducted himself as a Liverpool player is that of a model profesionnal.
ReplyDeleteWe are all passionate about this great club and we want the good times to come back.
ReplyDeleteHowever for whateverer reason why did this article surface was it Reina agent or was it himself. Or is the press just having another go at Liverpool.
Wouldnt it have been better if Reina had said "i love the fans ,city and playing for this great club, i have signed a long term contract because i belive the club is going forward. I can only see me leaving, if Liverpool football club dont want me anymore and i have no more to add to this because i need to focus on my performance and helping Liverpool get back to winning ways"
Now if Reina is true to himself and doesnt want to play for Liverpool anymore and wants out at the end of the season. Then take heed f what the new owners said we only want players who want to play for Liverpool.
Would it be wrong of me suggest that pepe gives his signing on fee back and the difference between the money of your existing and new contract and donate it to a local charity.
If it came from the horses mouth as you say Jaimie link us and provide the source.
ReplyDeleteFor god's sake - do a google search. The quotes are real; that's why Reina did not refute them. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean the quotes are made up.
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Jamie you are being two sided, why are u ignoring comments by Timbo i quote
ReplyDelete<span>"Thirdly, I believe the object of your most vociferous durge of hatred, Rafa Benitez, still had a five year contract with the club when he was very publically sacked from his job. Now surely the club, who offered him such a large and long contract, should never have changed their mind about that once it was offered and signed. Surely if they felt he was worthy of the contract when it was given to him they couldn't possibly have changed their mind whether we had finished seventh or seventeenth. And yet there was nothing but praise from you when the club went back on their guarantee of a job for Mr Benitez for another five years. Could it be that you have taken this slant toward Reina partly because he credited Benitez as being one of the reasons he came to Liverpool? And very obviously does not think Hodgson or his goalkeeping appointee are up to scratch? "</span>
<span>Then you ignore John who says and i quote "On one hand Jaimie is criticising Reina for wanting to leave, on the other hand he is writing about Agger " Has Agger requested to leave? But because you believe is injury prone, you dont mind him leaving despite his contract. But you want Reina to stay right? Essentially you are saying players should honour their contract but clubs shouldnt (since you are advocating the sale of Agger). nice one mate... "</span>
Please respond to these people, particularly John, cause he has just exposed your bias, i just don't understand how you can discredit Rafa for all that he did for liverpool, when in truth, we had no right to be such a force both in england and europe, i some what question your understanding of soccer as game, you might have an astute understanding of the workings of a club as a business, but as far as soccer is concerned as game, you are clueless mate, so go ahead and answer John, i dare you!!!!!
If you read it in the paper then post the link!
ReplyDeleteIt's not hard, like your pathetic one-track arguments.
Do you know where Liverpool is?, as I doubt you ever go to Anfield.
The only Jaimie Kanwars are either a teenage Londoner or a mid 50s Londoner. Which are you?
Just to clarify he was looking to leave liverpool last summer. fact
ReplyDeleteand here is liverpools team to play west ham.
reina
johnson carragher skrytl konchesky
maxi poulsen Meirelles kuyt
ngog torres
If Pepe Reina leaves I don't think that Liverpool will ever be in the champions league again.
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