Roy Hodgson is not enthused about the prospect of Liverpool facing Manchester United in the FA Cup third round, but from a fan perspective, I have to admit I'm really excited! I'm always excited when Liverpool play United, but this time the game holds extra significance: it's a chance to right a considerable wrong from 11 years ago.
Hodgson's comments have *again* been twisted - mainly by fans - to fit the agenda du jour, which is to make it sound like everything he says is downbeat and negative. Meanwhile, anything negative said by anyone else connected with the club is embraced and condoned (Pepe Reina, anyone). Aaah, the joys of football hypocrisy.
Hodgson said the following:
"It will be an excellent game of football, but it's a bit unfortunate that two Premier League teams of the quality of Manchester United and us get drawn together," he said. I always feel that's a bit sad. But it'll be a cracking game of football".
Clearly, Hodgson did not say that Liverpool playing United was 'sad'; he basically said what plenty of other managers have said in the past, i.e. it's a waste of a game when two quality sides meet so early in the competition. And it *is* a waste - I'm sure most fans would prefer to see Liverpool play United in the latters stages, or indeed, the final.
Anyway - I'm really happy Liverpool got United at Old Trafford because it gives the club a chance to avenge one of the most gut-wrenching defeats of the last 15 years: the FA Cup 4th round loss to United in 1999.
Anyone who watched the game will know what I'm talking about. Going into the game, Liverpool were on a hot streak of 5 wins in 6 game (including a 7-1 hammering of Southampton). Michael Owen opened the scoring after only 2 minutes, and Liverpool led for the rest of the game, soaking up everything United could throw at them. Victory was so close you could reach out and touch it! The tension was literally unbearable...and then disaster struck.
Dwight Yorke equalised with two minutes to go, and then in stoppage time, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer delivered the killing blow, and victory was snatched from Liverpool's grasp. It was only the 4th round of the Cup but I was consumed by the same sickening emptiness I felt after Eric Cantona scored the winning goal in 1996 FA Cup Final. To have certain victory snatched away in such cruel circumstances is always horrible, but when it's against United, it's 100 times worse. (Look out for some trademark Carra heroics in the following clip)
This confidence crushing defeat pretty much killed Liverpool's season that year - the club failed to win 11 of its next 16 games, and ended the season in 7th place in the league.
I love the curious symmetry of this year's FA Cup Draw: it's almost the reverse situation to 1999: Liverpool are in a patchy run of form at the moment, whereas back then, the club was on the up. The defeat at Old Trafford sucked the confidence out of the players and led to a slide down the table, but a win this season could conceivably have the reverse effect.
Given Liverpool's inconsistent away form at the moment, I think it's safe to say that there are many fans who are certain that a win at Old Trafford is possible. Well, I personally think it *is* entirely possible. It's the FA CUP! Anything can happen; and if Liverpool can go to Man United and win, it could definitely be the confidence booster the club needs to push on for the rest of the season and secure 4th place in the league.
Roll on January the 8th!
Revenge will (hopefully) be sweet...
Jaimie Kanwar
Hodgson's comments have *again* been twisted - mainly by fans - to fit the agenda du jour, which is to make it sound like everything he says is downbeat and negative. Meanwhile, anything negative said by anyone else connected with the club is embraced and condoned (Pepe Reina, anyone). Aaah, the joys of football hypocrisy.
Hodgson said the following:
"It will be an excellent game of football, but it's a bit unfortunate that two Premier League teams of the quality of Manchester United and us get drawn together," he said. I always feel that's a bit sad. But it'll be a cracking game of football".
Clearly, Hodgson did not say that Liverpool playing United was 'sad'; he basically said what plenty of other managers have said in the past, i.e. it's a waste of a game when two quality sides meet so early in the competition. And it *is* a waste - I'm sure most fans would prefer to see Liverpool play United in the latters stages, or indeed, the final.
Anyway - I'm really happy Liverpool got United at Old Trafford because it gives the club a chance to avenge one of the most gut-wrenching defeats of the last 15 years: the FA Cup 4th round loss to United in 1999.
Anyone who watched the game will know what I'm talking about. Going into the game, Liverpool were on a hot streak of 5 wins in 6 game (including a 7-1 hammering of Southampton). Michael Owen opened the scoring after only 2 minutes, and Liverpool led for the rest of the game, soaking up everything United could throw at them. Victory was so close you could reach out and touch it! The tension was literally unbearable...and then disaster struck.
Dwight Yorke equalised with two minutes to go, and then in stoppage time, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer delivered the killing blow, and victory was snatched from Liverpool's grasp. It was only the 4th round of the Cup but I was consumed by the same sickening emptiness I felt after Eric Cantona scored the winning goal in 1996 FA Cup Final. To have certain victory snatched away in such cruel circumstances is always horrible, but when it's against United, it's 100 times worse. (Look out for some trademark Carra heroics in the following clip)
This confidence crushing defeat pretty much killed Liverpool's season that year - the club failed to win 11 of its next 16 games, and ended the season in 7th place in the league.
I love the curious symmetry of this year's FA Cup Draw: it's almost the reverse situation to 1999: Liverpool are in a patchy run of form at the moment, whereas back then, the club was on the up. The defeat at Old Trafford sucked the confidence out of the players and led to a slide down the table, but a win this season could conceivably have the reverse effect.
Given Liverpool's inconsistent away form at the moment, I think it's safe to say that there are many fans who are certain that a win at Old Trafford is possible. Well, I personally think it *is* entirely possible. It's the FA CUP! Anything can happen; and if Liverpool can go to Man United and win, it could definitely be the confidence booster the club needs to push on for the rest of the season and secure 4th place in the league.
Roll on January the 8th!
Revenge will (hopefully) be sweet...
Jaimie Kanwar
Having failed to beat City, Birmingham, Everton, Wigan, Stoke and Spurs. F2 A10 I'm not surprised Roy is sad, I'm pretty sad myself.
ReplyDeleteYou talk about us like we are Northampton Town or something "It's the FA CUP! Anything can happen" A sign of how far we've sunk I guess.
Roy is continuing to break records though...here are the latest 3!
* The last time we had a negative goal difference after 15 games was 1964-65
* The last time we had won fewer games than lost after 15 matches was 1992-93 – W5 D4 L6
Keep up the optimism though Jaimie, someone has to!
* The last time we had a worse away record after 8 away matches was 1964-65 – W0 D3 L5
You are as frightened as Roy is on Man Utd..... when in your post you say "Its the FA Cup anything can happen"? thats non league talk and you know it!
ReplyDeleteThis is really how far we have have come? and you still beleive we should stick with a manager who, is so out of depth that he immediatley hands the advantage to the opposition with his reaction?
Having failed to beat City, Birmingham, Everton, Wigan, Stoke and Spurs. F2 A10 I'm not surprised Roy is sad, I'm pretty sad myself.
ReplyDeleteYou talk about us like we are Northampton Town or something "It's the FA CUP! Anything can happen" A sign of how far we've sunk I guess.
Roy is continuing to break records though...here are the latest 3!
* The last time we had a negative goal difference after 15 games was 1964-65
* The last time we had won fewer games than lost after 15 matches was 1992-93 – W5 D4 L6
* The last time we had a worse away record after 8 away matches was 1964-65 – W0 D3 L5
Keep up the optimism though Jaimie, someone has to!
Correct me if o am wrong but didn't Paul Ince limp off and leave us with 10 men when it was 1-1?
ReplyDeleteSmall club comments, every word... you know you're in trouble when you're clinging to the romance of a possible cup upset. I love how Liverpool fans are finally beginning to learn their place in the world...
ReplyDeleteGlorious.
Stop talking nonsense. How can I be 'frightened' of United when I believe we will beat them?! That makes no sense whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteAnd you completely misunderstand Hodgson's comments; they clearly went over your head - they do mean what you *want8 them to mean.
Where did you get those stats from? What's your source? Did you just copy it off some LFC forum, or did you actually check them?!
ReplyDeleteJaimie, You only believe we will beat them out of desperation re: "Its the FA Cup anything can happen". I am just pointing out this is desperate talk.
ReplyDeleteI have not even read Roys reaction....dont need to....which is significant is it not?
The fact he did not welcome it ( getting that from your post) tells me what I have always known. He is a nice guy but out of his depth.
No, you just don't understand. It's nothing to do with the romance of a cup upset
ReplyDelete; the overall points is not really to do with this season at all; it's about avenging a painful defeat from 11 years ago. Can you even read? Stop trying to find meanings that don't exist. I think Liverpool will win, and if that has a knock on positive effect on our season then all the better.
Paul Ince went off near the end but he was replaced by Jason McAteer.
ReplyDeleteThe stats are absolutele 100% correct Jaimie, if you are saying they are not, then by all means prove it. I said 15 games because we have played 15 games so far in the league. Does that make sense? You say 16? why?? We haven't played 16 so that does not make sense does it? I used 8 away games, because we have played 8 away games, again this makes sense, does it not??
ReplyDeleteJust because you don't like the stats, doesn't make them false.
I would say after 15 games we have a clear picture of where we are headed and it's a good time to reflect on how the manager is doing, wouldn't you.
If Liverpool can go to Man United and win, it could definitely be the confidence booster the club needs to push on for the rest of the season and secure 4th place in the league.<span></span>
ReplyDeleteAnd here I was thinking that confidence 'boost' would come from beating Chelsea 2-0. Confidence will get you only so far my friend. As long the team is tactically nieve, 4th spot is as real a target as Kuyt setting himself a 20 goal target this year and Babel setting himself a 10 game start target. ANY team that plays with its two central midfilders so far from its central defenders will always lose close matches.... it's Europa cup or bust.
Yes, it's a good time to reflect, but not condemn like you and so many others seem to be doing. Those stats may be correct but was I asked aleady, what do they prove exactly? You're just so desperate for Hodgson - and by extension Liverpool - to fail that you'll dig up anything you can to prove that the club has somehow already failed. Hodgson has been in the job for just under 5 months, and you think it's fair to constantly be on his back.
ReplyDeleteI may have been on Benitez's back but that was after 4. 5 and 6 years in the job. In his first season - despite atrocious league performance - I didn't criticise at all. We lost 14 leage games in 2004-5 - i could've come up with lots of stats like you but what would've been the point of such crushing negativity?
There is no point. You and other fans like you are just supremely fickle and unreasonable.
Yes, just continue with this ridiculously pointless negativity.
ReplyDeleteConfidence boosters are required *throughout* the season, not just in October.
Tactical awareness is also required *throughout* the season
ReplyDeleteRoll on January the 8th! Revenge will (hopefully) be sweet...
ReplyDeleteAnd then you wake up from the terible dream you've been having... i admire your faith in roy though... very honourable JK
"You're just so desperate for Hodgson - and by extension Liverpool - to fail"
ReplyDeleteIf you were with me watching the Tottenham game the other day you would know that what you just said is complete nonsense. I have never wanted Liverpool to loose a game to prove anything. I was devestated after loosing that game not to mention the ones against blackpool, Northampton, ManU, City and Everton.
The point is, your optimism that we will get 4th and beat United is based on absolutely nothing but blind faith.
I would say you are so desperate for Roy to succeed (purely to prove people wrong) that you are blind to the fact he is running the club into the ground.
mr burt your posts are always both insightful and funny. Keep up the good work ;)
ReplyDeleteIn reply to your comment to me
ReplyDeleteI think that given you say "Its the FA Cup anything can happen" you are rather hoping in desperation we would get a result.....That aint nonsense my friend.
As for Roys comments....who cares....He really isnt a good choice really really really is he?
If his reaction to the draw,....yes the draw!! of the cup, is so negative!!! How can you and your sort still support his position?
It is not blind faith at all though; I have criticised Hodgson; I have stated repeatedly that he is to blame for poor performances on the field. Unlike you though, I am unwilling to condemn *any* LFC manager after only 4-5 months in the job. That is the disgrace about this whole things. The tone of your original post is one of premature disdain and fickle cynicism; instead of seeing the positives, and considering the very real context of Hodgson's reign, you're desperate to find anything that backs up your view that Liverpool is going to fail under Hodgson.
ReplyDeleteI want Hodgson to succeed purely because it means Liverpool will succeed. It's that simple. I wanted Benitez gone because Liverpool were *not* going to succeed with him at the helm; this was obvious after 6 years in charge.
Liverpool can succeed this season with Hodgson; the team is definitely good enough to finish 4th; one of the major barriers to that though is the shameful, ceaseless negativity of so-called fans.
Jaimie every time Liverpool win a game you come up with your latest figures to undermine a *european cup* winning manager. You call steve fickle and unreasonable yet he is using the same tools you use to excuse Hodgson. The last table you done comparing results of games played at different times of the season was laughable. Also your continued use of the "avoided defeat" rhetoric is pitiful. We are LFC we don't play to avoid defeat, we play to win. Suppose you'll put a spin on the 64-65 season that we "avoided defeat" in 37.5% of away games (you'll prob round that up to 38%).
ReplyDeleteNo, tactical awareness is not required throughout the season. History has proven countless times that managers can make tactical mistakes and still triumph. Istanbul is one such example. No manager is tactically perfect for an entire season; or are you suggesting otherwise?
ReplyDeleteWe've already beaten Utd in the FA Cup since then. What a ridiculous web site.
ReplyDeleteIt's not faith in Roy, per se; it's faith in Liverpool. I'm well aware of Hodgson's limitations but I defend him because as a manager of LFC, he deserves respect in his first season; he also deserves time, and an understanding of the conditions under which he is operating. As John Henry said, it is 'simply wrong' to blame things on Hodgson, and I agree.
ReplyDeleteJust because you say it's 'laughable' doesn't make it so. Of course you'd say that - you are anti-Hodgson, so anything that attempts to place him in a fair light is anathema to you.
ReplyDeleteAnd you plainly misunderstand the point of the table; it is not about 'avoiding defeat', and those words are not even used. I highlight percentage of games UNBEATEN. That is completely different. It is a valid stat because being unbeaten is positive; it also means you are picking up points as opposed to losing them.
The stats I use to support Hodgson are not the same as Steve's; they are standard stats (i.e. wins/losses/draws/goals for etc) - I didn't spend hours trawling through season stats to try and deliberately find something to back up my view. plus, my analysis is relevant: I'm trying to illustrate that first seasons at LFC have been pretty bad for the last two managers; and despite that, fans weren't calling for their heads after 4 months.
I also show that in comparison to the same games last season, Hodgson is doing practically the same as Benitez, and that's without mashcherano and benayoun, two established first team players.
Those stats DO matter; well, they do if eve are you're at all interested in being fair, which the likes of you and Steve are not.
As I said: fickle and unreasonable.
We will lose. Simple. Roy likes to play for a point away, just check our goals scored away. Very disappointing.
ReplyDeleteA marvellous chance to have Kenny Dalglish back in the dugout for this. Sorry Roy, nothing personal but you have not inspired me at all with your use of international players. Far too defensive and cautious.
"I am unwilling to condemn *any* LFC manager after only 4-5 months in the job."
ReplyDeleteWhat if Liverpool had appointed Sam Allardyce as their manager Jaimie. Would you be supporting him too?? Would you be just as happy to watch Liverpool hoofing the ball up and down the pitch as you are watching us play underdog football under Roy the great?
I remember you accusing fans of supporting Rafa over the club. You said no one person is bigger than the club. Hypocrisy surely?
You've got it wrong. Again. It's about beating Man U in the FA CUP AT OLD TRAFFORD. The other FA CUP game since then was at Anfield.
ReplyDeleteLearn to read and comprehend properly.
Steven - if you're going to make a counter argument then at least make sure it's relevant and accurate.
ReplyDeleteThe Allardyce example is irrelevant, but if he was the manager then yes, I would support him in his first 5 months. The fact that you don't understand that says a lot about you and your fickleness.
The Benitez example is also irrelevant: he had been at the club for 6 years; at that point, he'd had enough time, and there was 6 years of evidence to suggest that he needed to be replaced. Criticism at that stage was not only warranted; it was essential.
hodgson has been in the job for just under 5 months; any comparison with Benitez in the way you've chosen has no credibility whatsoever.
And supporting Hodgson is not supporting him over the club. The chairman has supported him, stating it is 'simply wrong' to blame Hodgson; Torres, Gerrard, Carra, Agger, Reina and others (i.e. young players like Eccleston, and legends like Ian Rush, John Barnes and Kenny Dalglish) have publicly supported him. THEY ARE THE CLUB. Thus my support of Hodgson is in line with theirs, and is by extension, suppor OF the club.
The Allardyce example is irrelevant, but if he was the manager then yes, I would support him in his first 5 months. The fact that you don't understand that speaks volumes about you.
ReplyDeleteThe Benitez example is also irrelevant: he had been at the club for 6 years; at that point, he'd had enough time, and there was 6 years of evidence to suggest that he needed to be replaced. Criticism at that stage was not only warranted; it was essential.
hodgson has been in the job for just under 5 months; any comparison with Benitez in the way you've chosen has no credibility whatsoever.
And supporting Hodgson is not supporting him over the club. The chairman has supported him, stating it is 'simply wrong' to blame Hodgson; Torres, Gerrard, Carra, Agger, Reina and others (i.e. young players like Eccleston, and legends like Ian Rush, John Barnes and Kenny Dalglish) have publicly supported him. THEY ARE THE CLUB. Thus my support of Hodgson is in line with theirs, and is by extension, suppor OF the club.
You're basically a spin doctor Jaimie, you should really look into politics as a career. Although being obtuse and unwilling to listen might work against you.....oh wait....
ReplyDeleteIn Benitez's first season he won the European cup. If we'd finished 17th it would've been a great season. I'm very pragmatic when it comes to Benitez, I wanted him gone last season, it was a painful time which was mostly of his own making because of his ill treatment of our best player from 08/09 (Alonso), but alas the grass wasn't greener on the other side.
Being unbeaten is not all positive. Winning is positive, defeat is negative and a draw is neutral. If we concede a late goal and draw a game is that positive?
But seriously Jaimie, you need to tone down the arrogance and complete disdain of anyone who dares disagree with anything you say. The insinuation that i cannot read is incredibly offensive, maybe if you debated instead of resorting to inlsulting people's intelligence you may well have more of a following
Well that is what seperates good managers from bad ones. The bad ones have absolutely no idea they have made a tactical mistake in the first place and watch on whilst Gareth Bale destroys us, and whilst every second ball in front of defence is won by a Tottenham player. The good managers on the other hand show a tactical awarenes to a) pinpoint the initial tactical mistke and b) TRY to rectify it. It doesn't always work but I give points to managers who rip up their game plan if it's not working in order to balance the defence and attack.
ReplyDeleteIn Istanbul btw Rafa didn't just go round the dressing room boosting confidence he complimented that by pinpointing our shortfalls and switching to 3-4-1-2? Now Kevin Keegan, Hodgson and Sven on the other hand would have......
@steven I'm a big fan of your work too mate 8-)
ReplyDeleteIm not optimistic about the game on Jan 8 unless Man U in go in to the match over confident. But the Spurs game showed me the first signs of green shoots under Roy. It's clear to see that Liverpool need a proven forward along side Torres with Ngog as back up. A left back, yesterday I witnessed one of the worst performances in a red shirt from you know who. I would love to see a ball carrying player for Liverpool. Spurs have 3 players that can do that job and of after watching Messi tonight, that type of player sure improves your chances of winning games. If we can get three players in those positions then I think Roy's tactics will make Liverpool in to a very interesting team to watch for the 2nd half of the season. If we don't buy then we will finish 6th/7th and maybe a Europa league final/win...same as last season.
ReplyDeleteJaimie what did you seriously expect John Henry to say publicy? Roy is crap ill give him two more games? come on! John Henry is a stat man. I guarentee you he has looked at in depth analysis of Liverpool's play this season - Possession, goals, goals against, away record etc..And he will not have been happy with what he has seen. At the same time he's not an idiot and hes not going to come out publicly and lambast the manager is he?
ReplyDeleteOk so the fact that I would not support Sam Allardyce as Liverpool manager is fickle. Ok ill stick to being fickle Jaimie, as a matter of fact ill bask and revel in my fickleness! Thank you and goodnight!
Oh, please. Retract your crocodile tears already. You called my post 'laughable' and 'pitiful', and I replied in kind. If you can't hack it, don't dish it out in the first place.
ReplyDeleteWhere did I insinutate you couldn't read? That's news to me. What you did do was twiat my words by trying to suggest I was arguing that it's positive if a club plays to avoid defeat, which is the complete opposite of what I said.
And your last line presupposes I'm interested in having a 'following'. I'm not. I don't do this for the popularity, or for people agreeing with me. If it was about that, I would kowtow to everyone and just go with the staus quo. I would also not take 6 months off from writing on the site (which I've done a couple of times), which is not conducive to building a following.
For the first time I liked Liverpools play under Hodgso naway at Tottenham, I felt we controlled the game quite well and we were really unlucky to lose (with the missed chances)
ReplyDeleteI felt there was very nice quick passing and much better attack buildup play agaist a srtong Tottenham side.
I liked that he palyed an adventurous 4-4-2 and I think Roy is learning fast, he only should have changed it to a defensive formation late on, but he didn't unfortunately, but generally I think he is doing better than Benitez and I saw some encouraging signs.
Funny also that with all the hype about Tottenham, and with all our failings, we were just 3 points behind them before the game?!!
By the way,I hope you are right Jaimie about the FA cup tie and we can beet Utd, that will be fantastic.YNWA
Jaimie it appears that you have double standards as well. When pepe reina makes a negative comment you dedicate entire articles to those comments and how damaging they are, whenever Hodgson makes negative comments you defened him and claim that his words are twisted and that the majority of people dont understand them
ReplyDeleteI dont critisize Hodgson and am prepared to give him some time, there were plenty of positives from the spurs game and i think we continued doing some of the good things we were doing against west ham.I so think Paul konchesky is a weakness in the side, i think that is clear even after relatively few games.
Backing the manager is one thing.
ReplyDeleteSticking your head in the sand and supporting him blindly is quite another.
You are so stubborn that you've made it your own personal crusade to defend Hodgson at all costs and you *WILL NOT STOP* until you have found the remedy for these poisoned, negative, fickle fans who dare to see Hodgson for what he is - a decent small club manager WAY out of his depth. His tactics shows it and his behaviour over all just doesnt suit LFC, he hasn't grasped where he's at.
I will agree that he hasn't come to the club at the best of times and maybe he got off on the wrong foot. But I'll be damned if he didnt know on what terms he took the job and the pressure that comes with it! He was brought in for one reason, that was to steady the ship during a rough patch. Getting the last Champion League spot isnt a success (Hodgson will beg to differ) it's the god damn minimum for crying out loud.
Bah, who knows..maybe im just.....fickle?
You speak the truth and in a civilised manner and guess what your comments are deleted?
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ReplyDeleteJaimie, you are the most remarkably smug person i've ever come across (outside of politicians), your skill at ducking and diving valid points and redefining fine nuances in your articles is admirable in a twisted way, the corrupt bureaucrat way
ReplyDeleteYou would support Allardyce??? Patethic, unless we had all action centre half / forward Sambinator??? I jest of course
You would blindly support any Liverpool manager for 5 months? ANY manager??? Hardly critical realism
What exactly does "Anything can happen" mean?
Walkon.com is where i first found you, and i thought you were genuine in some way. Silly me. Build a profile, rile some people, get them arguing, get them coming back. Maybe i should click on some adverts for you, what odds would Paddy Power give me that you've never played football?
You cannot deny that hits is important for you now, therefore controversial sells
I'll give you some critical realism
Barcelona and Arsenal play football, not sure what the rest do besides blow vast amounts of cash
You rarely respond to valid points
Jaimie, you are the most remarkably smug person i've ever come across (outside of politicians), your skill at ducking and diving valid points and redefining fine nuances in your articles is admirable in a twisted way, the corrupt bureaucrat way
ReplyDeleteYou would support Allardyce??? Patethic, unless we had all action centre half / forward Sambinator??? I jest of course
You would blindly support any Liverpool manager for 5 months? ANY manager??? Hardly critical realism
What exactly does "Anything can happen" mean?
Walkon.com is where i first found you, and i thought you were genuine in some way. Silly me. Build a profile, rile some people, get them arguing, get them coming back. Maybe i should click on some adverts for you, what odds would Paddy Power give me that you've never played football?
You cannot deny that hits is important for you now, therefore controversial sells
I'll give you some critical realism
Barcelona and Arsenal play football, not sure what the rest do besides blow vast amounts of cash
You rarely respond to valid points
Jamie, do you still think Liverpool will finish fourth in the Premier League this season?
ReplyDeleteHi JimfromSweden
ReplyDeleteIn reference to your statement
Getting the last Champion League spot isnt a success (Hodgson will beg to differ) it's the god damn minimum for crying out loud.
Considering we finished seventh last season with a similar squad (some would say superior because of the presence mascherano and benyayoun, because of suspension/injury cole has not properly figured) to get fourth spot IMO is a really good achievement. It's certainly not the minimum I would expect from RH, and I think most fans, players and most importantly the owner would agree.
Lets look at the legacy RH has inherited. In the same time that LFC has to undergo one of the most tumultuous and financially uncertain phases in its recent history, I will attempt to analyse how are nearest rivals have progressed.
Spurs have had a period of stability and development with a stable board and a well supported manager who had been at the helm for around two years. Furthermore THFC have succesfully guarenteed considerable future revenue streams, in the short term through 2010/11 CL inclusion, and in the long term
the impending approval of the £460 NDP which will produce a state of the art 60,000 seater stadium.
During this last summer, MCFC must have spent around +120 million on top of their recent 100 million investment the season before, whereas Hodgson's net spend must have been around -12 million. (Apologies if the figures are wrong, just based on my estimates..the main point is the gulf between MCFC's and LFC summer investment)
In contrast, RH took over a demoralised team, that had finished 7th, potentially crippled by the prospect of huge interest payments and facing massive uncertainty regarding future ownership. It certainly wasn't his fault that for the first time in a number of years LFC did not have CL money coming in. Furthermore you have to figure in the loss of morale to a team used to playing at Europe's finest level. These factors were all out of RH's control.
All things considered, expecting LFC to leap frog both these teams as a minimum seems like a really big ask of RH...indeed of any manager for that matter. I'm not trying to down play LFC's chances in anyway this season, nor make potential excuses for RH. My personal belief, is that anything below sixth would constitute a dissappointing season. Realistically however, the goal this season has to be fourth. Anything better would be a fantatsic achievement, however to use fourth as the minimum criteria to measure LFC's success this season is both harsh and unrealistic.
Hi JimfromSweden
ReplyDeleteIn reference to your statement
Getting the last Champion League spot isnt a success (Hodgson will beg to differ) it's the god damn minimum for crying out loud.
Considering we finished seventh last season with a similar squad (some would say superior because of the presence mascherano and benyayoun, cole has not properly figured due to injusry/suspension) to get fourth spot IMO is a really good achievement. It's certainly not the minimum I would expect from RH, and I think most fans, players and most importantly the owner would agree.
Lets look at the legacy RH has inherited. In the same time that LFC has to undergo one of the most tumultuous and financially uncertain phases in its recent history, I will attempt to analyse how are nearest rivals have progressed.
Spurs have had a period of stability and development with an established board and a well supported manager who had been at the helm for around two years. Furthermore THFC have successfully guaranteed considerable future revenue streams, in the short term through 2010/11 CL inclusion, and in the long term through the impending approval of the £460 NDP which will produce a state of the art 60,000 seater stadium.
During this last summer, MCFC must have spent around +120 million on top of their recent 100 million investment the season before, whereas Hodgson's net spend must have been around -12 million. (Apologies if the figures are wrong, just based on my estimates..the main point is to highlight the gulf between MCFC's and LFC summer investment)
Bothe THFC and MCFC enjoyed succesfull seasons in the 2009/10 premiership, both finishing 4 and 5 places respectively higher than the previous campaign. In contrast, RH took over a demoralised team, that had finished 7th, 5 places lower than the season before. I agree, RH knew the situation when he accepted the offer, but that doesn't change the fact that LFC were facing potentially crippling interest payments and massive uncertainty regarding future ownership. It certainly wasn't his fault that for the first time in a number of years LFC did not have CL money coming in. Furthermore you have to figure in the loss of morale to a team used to playing at Europe's finest level. These factors were all out of RH's control.
All things considered, expecting LFC to leap frog both these teams as a minimum seems like a really big ask of RH...indeed of any manager for that matter. I'm not trying to down play LFC's chances in anyway this season, nor make potential excuses for RH. My personal belief, is that anything below sixth would constitute a big dissappointment. Realistically however, the goal this season has to be fourth. Anything better would be a fantastic achievement, however to use fourth as the minimum criteria to measure LFC's success this season seems both harsh and unrealistic to everyone involved with he club.
Hi JimfromSweden
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Getting the last Champion League spot isnt a success (Hodgson will beg to differ) it's the god damn minimum for crying out loud.
Considering we finished seventh last season with a similar squad (some would say superior because of the presence of mascherano and benyayoun, cole has not properly figured so far due to injury/suspension) to get fourth spot IMO is a really good achievement. It's certainly not the minimum I would expect from RH, and I think most fans, players and most importantly the owners would agree.
Lets look at the legacy RH has inherited. In the same time that LFC has undergone one of the most tumultuous and financially uncertain phases in its recent history, I will attempt to analyse how are nearest rivals have progressed.
Spurs have had a period of stability and development with an established board and a well supported manager who has been at the helm for around two years. Furthermore THFC have successfully guaranteed considerable future revenue streams, in the short term through 2010/11 CL inclusion, and in the long term through the impending approval of the £460 NDP which will produce a state of the art 60,000 seater stadium.
During this last summer, MCFC must have spent around +120 million on top of their recent 100 million investment the season before, whereas Hodgson's net spend must have been around -12 million. (Apologies if the figures are wrong, they are just based on my estimates..the main point is to highlight the gulf between MCFC's and LFC summer investment)
Both THFC and MCFC enjoyed succesfull seasons in the 2009/10 premiership, finishing 4 and 5 places respectively higher than the previous campaign. In contrast, RH took over a demoralised team, that had finished 7th, 5 places lower than the season before. I agree, RH knew the situation when he accepted the post, but that doesn't change the fact that LFC were facing potentially crippling interest payments and massive uncertainty regarding future ownership. It certainly wasn't his fault that for the first time in a number of years LFC did not have CL money coming in. Furthermore you have to figure in the factor of the loss of morale to a team used to playing at Europe's finest level. These issues were all out of RH's control.
All things considered, expecting LFC to leap frog both these teams as a minimum seems like a really big ask of RH...indeed of any manager for that matter. I'm not trying to down play LFC's chances in anyway this season, nor make potential excuses for RH. My personal belief, is that anything below sixth would constitute a big dissappointment. Realistically however, the goal this season has to be fourth. Anything better would be a fantastic achievement, however to use fourth as the minimum criteria to measure LFC's success this season seems both harsh and unrealistic to everyone involved with the club.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examine the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures. As long RH ensures that we are within touching distance (say 5 pts) of 4th spot it wouldnt make any sense for the owners to pay him off, and then be forced make a rushed decision to appoint an interim manager at a potentially considerable expense.
Everything about the NESV approach suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will surely see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. However, as long as RH keeps us in competition for fourth spot, I cannot see, based on their approach & actions so far, why they would want to sack him.
And paddypower, too.
ReplyDelete<span><span>sumon</span><img></img></span> replies:Today, 06:27:00<span><span>“</span></span>Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examine the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV approach suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. there is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over untill the summer.As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures. Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel of a third manager in eight months. Come the new year, as long as we are within touching distance (say 5pts) of fourth spot it doesnt
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examine the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer. As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures. Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer. As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures. Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
ReplyDeleteSteven
John Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.
As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.
Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.
As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.
Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the upheavel and financial burden of a third manager in eight months.
Steven
ReplyDeleteJohn Henry and NESV have bought LFC as a long term venture. Their long term business model can be clearly demonstrated through the ownership of the red Sox franchise.
Its obvious that they are looking for a manager to be part of an ambitous long term project. The reality is that RH is probably not likely to be that person, he was appointed by the previous board to preside over the club at a very difficult time, whilst ensuring a decent level of success in the EPL and Europa League. This thinking seems to be bourne out by the appointment of Commolii.
I think you are quite correct, JH and NESV will be examing the stats with considerable detail. However, by their own frank admission, they are new to the game. It seems their priority at the present is to consolidate their knowledge of the culture of LFC as well as the nature of all aspects of football in this country. The fact that they have been prepared to meet and listen to the fans is a strong demonstration of their holistic approach to sports club ownership.
It may be conceivable that NESV have had some concerns with aspects of the way we play and our performances. However their approach seems to be measured, they are prepared to take the time to look for improvement before making any big decisions. Surely if this was not the case, our manager would currently be Frank Rijkard!
Everything about the NESV attitude suggests considered decision making based on extensive analysis. I am sure that they have started the process of identifying names for their shortlist in the summer. They will no doubt see this appointment as paramount to the long term sucess of their investment, and will therefore carry out exhaustive analysis of potential candidates. Of course this process will take time. There is also the consideration that some, if not most of the potential appointments may be currently employed and therefore not in a position to take over until the summer.
As with any business, NESV will have set themselves a realistic target. Lets assume its fourth sport, coupled with a good run in the EL. They will have undoubtbily noticed that our recent form (prior to spurs) was encouraging. Indeed, although we lost, the stats of the spurs game pointed to a more attacking approach that bodes well for future away games. My feeling is their analysis of recent form and playing stats would lead them to believe that a good run of results is definitely possible, especially considering our upcoming fixtures.
Come January, as long as LFC are within touching distance of fourth spot (say around 5pts) it wouldn't make any sense for NESV to go put the club through the [...]
Yes, I am totally confident Liverpool can finish 4th.
ReplyDeleteA large percentage of knowledgeable fans felt Hodgson was the wrong man for the job and they haven't seen any reason to change their minds. This may be unfair, and for all we know even wrong, and undoubtedly there are others who will use any excuse to criticise him further. However, a LOT of fans are genuinely so sure he's not up to the job they don't feel it's feasible to wait and see if he can succeed. I've never seen this before in over 40 years of supporting Liverpool. And I have to say, although I'm desperate for us to succeed I agree with those who say he's just not up to the role. He has plenty of experience but little success, and I am extremely worried about letting him loose with any limited transfer funds we have in January.... I know there is a rational case for giving him time, but I don't support it.
ReplyDeleteYes we beat mant utd at home in the fa cup 05/06, but since then we beat them in the league 4-1 at old traford, haven't we already had our revenge and some, c'mon, Jamie, the truth of the matter is they still want to avenge what we did to them at old traford if anything (might i add that was under u Rafa), lets be realistic, Roy knows that the europa is the only real target this season forget 4th (we actually may still have relegation to deal with), as i said earlier, even his team don't look confident in him. Jus one question Jamie , as much as u believe that we will beat utd, what will really serve as motivation to these players, i mean non of the players except carra were in that side in 99, and the way things are going we r set to drop even more points in dec ,as i said our relegation battles are far from gone, the only way we are beating utd is if we have new manager by that time and thats a big MAYBE, the best roy can do, and its something he does very well which is play 4-5-0 in other words park the bus and hope for a draw
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ReplyDeleteI would disagree, managing a team in the unique situation (see my post above) that LFC found itself in at the start of this season will take time. The players, the set up, the expectations, the team morale, the press attention all totally different from Fulham.
The first few games were dire. Had there been no improvement in form or performances I could understand the clamour for Roys head. However then, whilst still playing less than scintallating football, results really picked up. In fact before Spurs, we were actually on a good run of form (2nd behind Man U over six games). It seemed to me that Roy was starting to get a feel for the team, where to put players, appropriate formations etc. Results certainly started to improve, and performances (bar the cock up with Stoke) seemed to show potential.
Lets not forget a good result with Napoli. Spurs were lauded for their impressive performance against Inter at home. Yet I noticed very little was said abt LFC's 3-1 beating a team who was above Inter, 3rd in Seria A.
Most fans I have spoken too were pleased with the performance against Spurs. The stats showed far more shots on target created than in previous away games against inferior opposition. Were it not for a suprising lack of finishing prowess from Maxi and Torres, we could have been two nil up by fifty minutes, and in with a real chance to take all 3 points. The key message here is improvement. RH and the team are getting better, you can see that in the passing and the discipline we showed.
Of course, there are still weaknesses..certainly our fullbacks let us down on Sunday that is something that RH and the coaching team will I am sure have identified and will work on. But I genuinely believe that NESV are pleased with the improvement that they are seeing...quite simply I am convinced that as long as things continue to improve, and by Jan we are a maximimum of 5/6pts from 4th spot they will continue to back RH.
Whilst its clear Roy will obviously have some input, the fear that he will be let loose to buy whoever he wants, with limited transfer funds seems unrealsitic. After all, didnt they employ Comolli for his expertise and contacts in the transfer market.
I think that perhaps part of the problem, is that fans don't feel he is up to the job long term, opinions influenced by his age, propensity for defensive football, the percieved lack of press savy etc. The owl comparisons, the speech impediment, the slumped body language have all rather unfairly swayed some fans who perhaps crave a younger, glamourous more dynamic manager a la Morhiniou / Guardiola! However they are missing the point. As long as RH keeps us competively up there for fourth place, it allows NESV the time to analyse and identify potential candidates for the long term role.
It seemed to me that Roy was starting to get a feel for the team, where to put players, appropriate formations etc.
ReplyDeleteSo this is what it's come to; Hoping the gaffer has a clue how to build his team.
Come on. Meireles? Does it really have to take you 15 games to know where he is best deployed? I'm curious what Hodgson was thinking when he bought him? Why ship out Aquilani when we are CRAVING for an offensive force. Hodgsons answer? - He's too good to sit on the bench. Aquilani actually had the best assist per minute last season and it seems like RH didn't even think twice about it. Out with Insua too. Replace them with Konchesky and Poulsen. Poulsen I'm sure was good in his prime but he is way past it, just ask Juventus fans. Konchesky? What's this everlasting talk about him improving? You don't improve at the age 29, what is he gonna pick up on? How to mark his man, beat a defender or get a cross in? Don't give me the adaptment bs, he's been playing in England his entire life.
I love the way people criticise this site for being negative then as soon as Jamie writes an article with a positive message (i.e. That we can beat Man U, which of course we can!) he is slated for it. :-E
ReplyDelete"Hodgson's comments have *again* been twisted - mainly by fans - to fit the agenda du jour, which is to make it sound like everything he says is downbeat and negative. Meanwhile, anything negative said by anyone else connected with the club is embraced and condoned (Pepe Reina, anyone). Aaah, the joys of football hypocrisy."
ReplyDeletePepé, in that interview which you described as being "More veiled threats, divisive disloyalty + naked self-interest from PEPE REINA.", said "I think it's about time that the fans get behind Roy 100 per cent"
Where's the divisive disloyalty in that statement from Pepé, and why did you not mention it?
All I can think is that that statement from him in the same interview you quote from did not fit YOUR agenda. Selective quoting Jamie is not good.
Keep up the good work but try harder please as I like most of your work.
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ReplyDeleteFair point about Meireles, I was suprised that RH stuck him out on the right. With regard to Aqualani, I am speculating that based on his comment
'He's too good to sit on the bench' he explained to Aqualani that he wouldnt be able to guarentee 1st team football due to the acquisation of Cole, and the impending arrival of Merieles. Perhaps, because of his previously erratic deployment in the team, AA understandably wasn't happy with that situation, hence the decision of the loan.And yes, Konchesky, even by his own admission has not been good enough. I agree with you, it is unlikely he will improve much. There is little doubt that he doesn't represent the type of player that NESV would seek to buy under their current player acquisation policy.However it does seem that future transfer business will be controlled by Comolli. Therefore I think it pertinant to focus on the improvement of RH's management of the team, seeing as that seems to be the area that NESV want him to focus on.
jaimie im a fairly new to this site and over the past week or so have read through alot of your articles and the comments posted at the end of them, from what i gather you were not rafas biggest fan towards the end of his reign, and to be honest i think alot of people will agree that under the circumstances the club was faced with at that time it was debatable as to whether he could recover from last season and guide us back to a champions league place. I for one was 50-50, benitez was a top tactician but stubborn and lacked man management skills.
ReplyDeletenow before you jump down my throat i agree with some of your views on the problems we currently have at our club and let me start by saying i do not think that roy hodgson is a bad manager but i do believe he was never the right man for the job as i personally feel we have taken on a manager who offer us less on a whole than the last, and is not doing himself any favours with the press conferences lol.
most fans including me and many others on this site will find it hard to admit (because of complete frustration) it is harsh to not at least give him a season to settle in, get to know the teams strengths and limitations through and through and devise his own formations and strategies, in truth it is only fair as if he were the manager of any other club i would be saying give him a chance, but jaimie what you have to understand is that especially after what us fans went through last season it is hard to see it all happening again when we all secretly feel it is our divine right to be at least in the running for the title, what we are seeing now simply put is not good enough and as a LFC fan you should atleast understand our frustration
Agreed..it appears he can't win! Still, even though some people disagree with his opinions, its great that they come back and the debate can continue. Its great that fans have the opportunity to share and oppose viewpoints, just a shame when the odd few choose to be rude.
ReplyDeleteI would like nothing more than liverpool to wipe the floor with Utd, just like I was hoping we wiped the floor with tottenham to get our season back on track, are we going to keep saying this statement until we run out of games. The Chelsea was a win that was supposed to get us back on track however it seems we got them at their lowest ebb and the way they are playing it seems that the dramatic win at Anfield was more down to chelsea having a really bad run than anything else. Chelsea unlike us have the capability to stop the rot. they have had a bad run but still find themselves second, so 1 win can see them go top. We on the other hand are mid table, we come mid table last year and we will finish mid table this year, we can hope and dream and think liverpool are as good as the top 4, however we need to wake up to the fact, win or no win against Man Utd, we are currently a mid table club, signing mid table players, playing mid table football. People have been going on about Benitez and Hodgson, the fact is they are both as bad as each other, Benitez Finished 7th last year, and hodgson will finsh around 9th with liverpool this year. Top players will leave at the summer, hopefully a new manager will come in that is good, but then we will have to wait through another re-building plan where we give the manager another 5 years, I am up for waiting but not with roy hodgson at the helm, so all I say is sack him!!!Get rid of the usless players and start again from scratch with a good manager.
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ReplyDeleteDid you not feel there were positives to be taken away from the spurs performance?
THFC are a strong dynamic side, who embarrased the euro champs at home, and who have lost only once at home this season. Yet we put in a much improved, disciplined performance, far better than your average mid table side would.
People say, the table doesnt lie, and based on that theory, yes we are currently mid table. However things are not decided in november..we had that awful start to make up...there is no way i could see the squad losing to bpool at home now based on current form and confidence. Looking at our run in till jan, and extrapolating our improvement from the start of the season, I am sure we will be a maximum of four points or less from 4th spot come the new year!
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there were positives from the game but there will always be positives throughout any season for a mid table team but you will also get the falling to earth with a bump negatives also. It would be nice to be proved wrong as my season ticket is paid for and i would love nothing more to see us go on and claim 4th, however in my heart of hearts I dont se us doing this. Our away form is not the best and i belive this is where we will fall down. at home i cant argue that roy is doing exactly what he did do at fulham and made the place like a fortress, however, when we go away, no matter about performance, ifs, buts whatever, we dont seem to get the results. On this basis, I Belive we should start to look for a new manager now, so we can get it right for next year and not be to hasty to try and get an manger in the summer, the summer is for signing players and getting them ready for a new season not hunting for managers. Do it now and at least give him the tail end of the season and the summer to keep players and make the right signings. Martin Oneil was one of my first choices, bringing him in now or someone as good would allow them to have time before the new season starts to make a proper go of it.
ReplyDeletejaimie, i know your in full support of roy hodgson, so it is sometimes a stalemate when people with differing views come together fighting for essentially what they both want to see and that is liverpool back up the table, getting results, playing in the biggest competitions, signing the best players and above all being consistent. However you belive we should give roy time to get it right and i think we should'nt. We both agree on the above comments that we want success, however IMO i look at Roy and see similarities between him and a 60/1 shot in the derby. if he won it, it would be a glorious victory for the few who backed him, mainly you. Thats why we have our opinion I suppose, time will tell who was right. If he does succeeed i will be the first to give you praise!!!
ReplyDeleteI agree 100% with everything you just said. I was simply saying to Jaimie that John Henry is not going to publicly slate the manager whether he believes he is a donkey or not.
ReplyDeleteCheers Steven, I appreciate u saying that. What u say is also true.
ReplyDeleteYou make an intresting point about MON, and he is a manager who is free at the moment. Whilst i still think RH should be given until the summer, I would be really interested to hear people's opinions on MON as a long term manager at LFC. Personally I think he could do very well.One question though... Ive heard rumours, but do people know why he resigned from AVFC?
ReplyDeleteWe've also won at Old Trafford since. Albeit not in the FA Cup, but in a more important game in the league. Learn to comprehend football properly.
ReplyDeleteFact is, it is the FA Cup and anything can happen. But I doubt that Man Utd will perform as they did against West Ham last night or put out a team as weak as that. Anything can happen, we could sneak a result, but my worry is that we could be onto a complete pasting if we don't improve quickly. Time will tell, I suppose. Who'll be in charge, though? Roy or Frank?
ReplyDeleteI like him, people say that he has not won that much but I don't see any team of his underperforming. And everytime he leaves a club, with the same sqaud intact, they slip from the standards they had when he was in charge. And he is motivator, shows a bit of passion, does not lie down in the face of attacks on him or his players by other managers, knows the league well and is very different from our last manager and our current one. The change of approach is mostly what this team needs, a bit more energy in the dugout. I'd have him before Rijkaard, to be honest, but would happily see Rijkaard in charge, as I think he would attract better players and, being dutch, might be able to get performances out of Babel. Most continental managers seem to work better with their own countrymen.
ReplyDeleteChrist almighty, will you look at Giggsy's hair back then...
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