Whilst a small section of traitorous fans continue to call for Roy Hodgson's head after only 4.5 months in charge (!), it's heartening to see Ian Rush - one of Liverpool's true legends - speak with grace and sense about the club's chances of making the top four.
In an interview with the official LFC site, Rushie committed the cardinal sins of trying to see things fairly, looking at results in context, and attempting to look at the bigger picture. How dare he?! His comments perfectly encapsulate everything I have been arguing from the start of the season:
"It could be better, but we're only six points off the top four, so you've got to be positive as our aim is to finish there. Beating Chelsea was a fantastic result and I thought if we can beat them, we can beat anyone - it was an absolutely brilliant performance.
"We went to Wigan and after going a goal up, maybe it was two points lost. Then we lost at Stoke, where if we'd got a result we'd have been right up there. But again, we've got to be positive. The league has been so funny all season - anyone can beat anyone and the team that eventually wins the league could lose six or seven games.
"It's going to be really exciting because of that and everything is going to be close, but we have to start winning our home games. If we can then I think we can do it. The Stoke defeat after six games without losing was hopefully a blip and we can go on a run again and get ourselves up there. I'm confident we can finish in the top four.."
Rush's comments come just days after NESV figurehead John Henry directly rejected fan antipathy towards Hodgson by arguing it was 'simply wrong' to blame him for the problems at Liverpool.
I totally agree with Rushie's comments, and like him, I am also confident Liverpool will finish in the top 4. I've held that view from day one of the season and I see no reason to change it with 75 points still to play for in the Premier League.
Who cares though, right? It's only Ian Rush.
What the hell does he know?
Jaimie Kanwar
In an interview with the official LFC site, Rushie committed the cardinal sins of trying to see things fairly, looking at results in context, and attempting to look at the bigger picture. How dare he?! His comments perfectly encapsulate everything I have been arguing from the start of the season:
"It could be better, but we're only six points off the top four, so you've got to be positive as our aim is to finish there. Beating Chelsea was a fantastic result and I thought if we can beat them, we can beat anyone - it was an absolutely brilliant performance.
"We went to Wigan and after going a goal up, maybe it was two points lost. Then we lost at Stoke, where if we'd got a result we'd have been right up there. But again, we've got to be positive. The league has been so funny all season - anyone can beat anyone and the team that eventually wins the league could lose six or seven games.
"It's going to be really exciting because of that and everything is going to be close, but we have to start winning our home games. If we can then I think we can do it. The Stoke defeat after six games without losing was hopefully a blip and we can go on a run again and get ourselves up there. I'm confident we can finish in the top four.."
Rush's comments come just days after NESV figurehead John Henry directly rejected fan antipathy towards Hodgson by arguing it was 'simply wrong' to blame him for the problems at Liverpool.
I totally agree with Rushie's comments, and like him, I am also confident Liverpool will finish in the top 4. I've held that view from day one of the season and I see no reason to change it with 75 points still to play for in the Premier League.
Who cares though, right? It's only Ian Rush.
What the hell does he know?
Jaimie Kanwar
what? Rushie on the official site and staying on the fence?
ReplyDeletethe results have been poor and the performances, chelsea apart, have been truely abject.
hodgson is not a liverpool man, the job of finishing mid table is not what this is about, but he acts and speaks like a finish above 18th is enough.
I also remember Rushie offering support to Rafa too. Of course he is, he's connected to the club. And it is good that he is doing that. Roy needs people on his side, which he has got. I'm just not convinced he will make the necessary tactical changes to get us winning consistently. The mentality of one good performance in 10 smacks of mid table mentality. I hope I am wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn recent years, Anfield has been a fortress. Not so now. I am worried that we sit off teams, we don't press and we have been dominated in the midfield by Sunderland, West Brom and Blackpool. But then we can play well for 45 mins against Chelsea - but revert to type in the second half.
I like Roy, but I think he sees the team as worse than it is. And we look more and more like Fulham by the week. I know a lot of fans have temporarily given up watching games until there are improvements.
thats my point.
ReplyDeletethe guy is not a winner. he has won nothing in any major league in 35 years and so does not have the mentaility needed to produce winners.
he has, for the last 20 years Inter apart, managed teams in trouble that are happy just to stay afloat.
but above all, his style of football is not acceptable. it is defeatist and negative.
Yeah !! Rushie Told me if I drink enough milk...
ReplyDeleteThat when I grow up , I could play for Accrington Stanley !!!!!
Liverpool are unbeaten in 10 out of 11 games at Anfield this season: 7 wins, 3 draws (one game lost on penalties) and 1 defeat. How does that equate to Anfield not being a fortress?!
ReplyDeleteAnd how exactly was an Anfield a fortress last season?! Why say things like that when they're just not true?
Poor performances were inevitable after thoe horror of last season, when performances and results were WORSE than this season. The club and its players have clearly been deeply affected by the failure of last year; Hodgson cannot change that in 4 months.
<span>I'm confident we can finish in the top four</span>
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, all this does is offer moral support. From the quotes you give there is no analysis of the games or the position of the club and manager, simply a statement of staying positive. Which, read another way, may in fact be an idictment on the manager
The league has been so funny all season - <span>anyone can beat anyone and the team that eventually wins the league could lose six or seven games</span>.
i.e. we are still not too far off not because the manager is any good but other teams have been inconsistent? Anyway, if Rush is allowed his OPINION then I will reserve my right to mine: which is, I can't see LFC anywhere near the top four come May, at this rate.
I don't think it is fair to call Liverpool fans traitorous just because they think Hodgson ain't up to it.
ReplyDeleteI think he might end up doing a decent job. But i don't think he will ever achieve what we as LFC fans want. It is a scary thought but i guess we should give him the time.
It will take time to build a team. I am just extremely worried that we will lose our top players in the process. That is my concern.
We can back him all we want but the Europa league performances are not really anything to go by. If you take these out of the equation then Hodgson has had the worse start then any of our recent managers. Although i am sure it ain't a lot worse.
I think the problem is we have spent sooo long building. With every manager change there comes a rebuilding process. We seem to be forever building.
Also i think LFC fans thought that benitez's team was good enough to challenge for honours but lost thier a little way under him. So a lot of fans thought all we need is a change of manager and this would be the extra push they team needed.
Problem is maybe Hogdson is not that man. So here goes another 3 or 4 years building.
I agree with Rushie, we can finish in the top four...I notice though he doesn't mention Hodgson at all...there' s no need. Even if we don't get Champs League I feel that next season is really the time to start letting your voices heard. The owners will be fully in charge and should be ready to compete then...there should be no excuses then. Be interesting to see if Roy is still there
ReplyDeleteControversial as usual. Another attention seeking post. By labelling fans as traitor is wrong. They may disagree with you, they may insult you, hell they may anger you but to label them as traitor is too big of a word.
ReplyDeleteBecareful Jaimie.
Out:
ReplyDeleteAquilani
In:
Poulsen
Great business for Juve.
Hodgson is pants, end of
ReplyDeleteWe know it's early in the season. We know that the top four places are not all that far away. The frustration we all feel is that we can see that there exists an opportunity to compete for a fourth, third or, hell, even second isn't beyond reach at the moment. (Don't get me wrong there's not a chance we will realistically compete for first). We feel the quality exists in the team to do the job. The ingredients are all there.
ReplyDeleteThe problem, we feel, are the tactics we are seeing Roy employ are not going to win us games. We don't think that it's the players that are failing to properly implement Roy's tactics. It's the tactics themselves that seem to be wrong. Standing off teams and defending from the edge of the 18 yard box is a recipe for disaster. It exposes us to attacks, it exposes us to giving away free kicls in dangerous areas and it leaves us stretched. These tactics just aren't consistently effective enough to achieve the results required. They're just fundamentally wrong.
I really do hope Roy manages to make it work somehow. But right now I can't see it.
I have to disagree. If your home patch is a fortress, you do not cave in to Blackpool. You certainly do not draw against Sunderland either. And you do not sit back and let your midfield be over run.
ReplyDeleteI actually said 'in recent years' Anfield had been a fortress, not just last season. Yes, last season was bad, but the previous season we lost 2 matches all season. It is unlike you, a man who is so hot on 'facts' to misquote a poster.
I'm also sorry that Roy has to work with many international players, surely he should be getting them to attack rather than sit so deep. Like I said, I want him to do well, but he needs to attack, attack, attack.
Fans who call for ANY Liverpool manager to be sacked after 4 months are traitors as far as I am concerned. It's nothing to do with people disagreeing with me. In my view, there is never any excuse to denigrate a manager of the LFC in such a manner, especially in light of the incredible turmoil the club has gone through over the last few months. It is just kneejerk, unreasonable fans being out of order.
ReplyDeleteAnd be careful? Why? For having an opinion? If I rile up traitorous fans then I'm doing my job correctly.
Yes, Liverpool may end up in the top four with Hodgson at the helm. And no, Hodgson is not the only one to blame for the league position that we're in. But when it comes to the question whether he should be in charge, there are other things to consider besides statistics.
ReplyDeleteAs I see it, Hodgsons football ideology is way to defensive for at team that is expected to fight with the best. I'm not saying Liverpool have a team capable of fighting with the best, but I do believe that with 3 or 4 top players, Liverpool will be as strong as any, on paper.
Hodgson has a good defensive plan in place for each game, but lack a plan for the attack. Hodgson is used to having to fight for each point in every game with the clubs he previously was in charge of. His tactics have worked wonders in this way. But it is a totally different thing to be in charge of a team who are supposed to be way better than their opponent.
In this sence Hodgson might not have done a poorer job than any other manager would have done with Liverpool as they currently are, but for the future, I want a manager with more offensive thoughts going into a game. If the manager of Liverpool is pleased with one point against Wigan, and see the need to defend for 80 out of 90 minutes after taking the lead, instead of going for a second and third goal, then the mentality of the players will be affected.
It is not the statistics of Hodgson in charge that make me want another manager, it is the mentality and the way each game is played out. I can't see a bright future with Hodgson at the helm.
Well he has already shipped some of the quality out.
ReplyDelete-Aquilani
-Insua was not really any worse than Konchesky
The football last season was defeatist and negative. At sone stage we went on a run of 1 win in 10 games, with 7 defeats out 8, including 4 defeats in row. The whole season was a travesty, and the same form has *obviousl8Y continued into this season. You cannot just change that in 4 months.
ReplyDeleteYou have an absolute inability to be fair, or to see things in a fair context.
so, whats a fair position for roy to take the team to this season?
ReplyDeleteRoy has a win rate of 30% in the league this year. fortress anfield has been breached by northampton and blackpool, should have been breached by sunderland.
we have been abject in our play. total dross, and roy does not have a track record to suggest he is anything other than treading water. the man has never been in such a rarified atmosphere and its choking him.
No, he said if you don't drink enough milk you'll only be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley hehe
ReplyDeleteand its nothing to do with 4 months. the man should not have been appointed in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIt's true. The foundations are there. I am dismayed when I constantly hear the team being talked down. Exactly how many international players are there? The manager has to adopt an attacking game or we will lose our best players.
ReplyDeleteI also heard stories about Roy not even visiting the youth set up at Fulham. He was apparently not interested (that comes from a mate of mine who supports Fulham). He's enjoying the more open game Hughes plays now.
Again, I like Roy, but I am worried.
Out: Crouch, Bellamy, Alonso, Riise, Hyypia, Finnan, Arbeloa, Warnock.
ReplyDeleteIn: Degen, Voronin, El Zhar, Dossena, Keane, Johnson, Zenden
Great business for Liverpool.
When Hodgson was appointed it was to "steady the ship". Now to me that doesn't sound like a manager who is going to win the treble. I really feel that is what he is here to do, and the owners really do have a plan not to stick with him. But you are absolutely right, Roy is not a winner...
ReplyDeleteVehement criticism of Hodgson's tractics, approach etc is perfectly acceptable. Calling for him to be sacked is traitorous.
ReplyDeleteThey weren't replacements were they Jaimie. Poulsen was to replace the gone Mascherano and Aquilani. You need to start watching what happens on the pitch and not just reading through statistics.
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ReplyDeleteIf any fans are traitorous, it is ones like you who still want to back this man in the face of mounting evidence that he is not up to the job.
Inept tactics home and away. Players out of position, players marginalised, ridiculous statements to the press. He hasn't exhibited one thing about being a manager of Liverpool, bar sitting in that seat in the dugout.
Constantly you have been asked to provide examples of where we have improved under his tenure. As yet, you haven't given any. All you can say is give him time. He asked to be judged after 10 league games. Well Roy, judgement is in - not good enough,
The only argument you can use in his defense is that we were bad last year. Yes we were last year, however I was under the impression we changed managers to improve. It seems regression is ok as your scapegoat is still in place. You are more interested in trying to massage facts to suit your cause than see what is evident in front of your eyes.
Roy Hodgson is not good for Liverpool Football Club. How much more do we have to regress for you to see that. If anyone is traitorous it is you.
You are a Hodgson apologist and the actual embodiment of everything you called a cult last year.
Bravo.
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Jaimie, I'm still waiting for an apology for your last post where you branded Liverpool fans liars.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure whether you are serious or a wind up merchant.
ReplyDeleteI am going to take the chance that your column is intended to be legitimate and ask you the question: Do you think Roy Hodgson's CV/track record make him a good enough manager for Liverpool FC? Yes or no? The reason why most Liverpool fans (including me) want him out is that his style of football is negative and more suitable to mid to lower table teams like Fulham, evidenced by his appalling career away record. Even at Blackburn where he had plenty of money to spend, his away record was very poor. I should add that most Liverpool fans did not want Roy in the first place. Now that the ownership situation is sorted out, what is very frustrating is that if we had a dynamic, innovative, top class manager, we could be optimistic about Liverpool FC's prospects.
Whatever happened to the motto of "you'll never walk alone."
ReplyDeleteRoy's a bit a lonely isn't he.
Anyone who doesn't want Hogeson out answer me this truthfully.
ReplyDeleteAre you enjoying watching Liverpool play using the tactics we are currently.
Thought not.
Anyone who doesn't want Hodgson out answer me this truthfully.
ReplyDeleteAre you enjoying watching Liverpool play using the tactics we are currently.
Thought not.
The turmoil should not affect how the manager sets the team up though, should it?
ReplyDeleteJamie...we were poor last season, granted, but even so, we STILL finished above Fulham, NO? and, we all know who was their manager don't we!!. Nough said.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, exactly during that terrible spell, Rush urged fans to support Rafa:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/6404888/Ian-Rush-urges-Liverpool-fans-to-back-Rafael-Benitez.html
You obviously didn't think he was such a worthy legend to listen to back then!
And Konchesky and Poulsen are going to improve us?
ReplyDeleteCrouch wanted regular footie, so Rafa let him go. Bellamy is trouble maker. Alonso wanted to go - he's never said anything bad about Rafa since. Riise needed to go. Arbeloa wanted to go back to Spain. Warnock was 25(?) and not in the first team etc.
You're being selective!
Degen, Voronin and Zenden were free's. Johnson!! What, he's a great 'attacking' full back. Keane - well where is he now? But does Harry get slated for paying 16M for him?
Jamie...we were poor last season, granted, but even so, we STILL finished above Fulham, NO? and, we all know who was their manager was don't we!!. Nough said.
ReplyDeleteRead more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/11/ian-rush-stop-making-sense-only.html#ixzz15XZ1BV8b
Hi Jamie,
ReplyDeleteThere's a poll being conducted (on the anfield road site) on should Roy Megson get a TAXI now or not and guess what? (94% are already linning to pay the cab-fee).
Go vote, afterall you are a *stats* person, hey! =-O
Jamie Rushie is right in what he is saying about the league and how the top four are losing games to unexpected teams etc but I don't see him saying that Roy is the right man for the job.
ReplyDelete"We went to Wigan and after going a goal up, maybe it was two points lost. Then we lost at Stoke, where if we'd got a result we'd have been right up there." He is stating the obvious here but you can hear the disappointment. Fans are not being traiterous by asking for the removal of Hodgson already. He asked for 10 games to prove himself and that marker has passed and he clearly failed. Many people believe that Souness destroyed the club and was given too much time so surely it is only fair for the fans to want to avoid that again. Since Roy has been in charge we have began playing ultra defensive football and he his tactics continue to be to not lose games rather than to win them and the result has been a 1-1 against Wigan and a 2-0 embarrasing from Stoke. You can blame it on Rafa's players all you want but the majority of them are still from the team that came close to the Prem Title 2yrs ago... Hodgson's tactics are just too negative for our club. He appears to stubborn to make the tactical changes when they are required which was perfectly clear at Man City and Stoke where on both occasions are midfield was totally overrun and rather than act to remedy this on both occasion he made innefective changes and made them too late to have any sort of impact.
Jamie I would love your opinion on what exactly Roy has done to instill confidence since he came to the club... He looks confused during games, his tactics are not up to scratch, his substitutions lack any insight, his pre and post match interviews are totally negative and he seems to be struggling to get anything from our players. His interviews constantly make out how well we played against poor opposition or give the opposition far more respect than they deserve or he belittles his own players and recently has even been outright hostile towards Johnson.
When he came to LFC I thought his alleged man managements skills would help get the best out of fringe players like Babel and also help develop the youngsters like Pacheco, Dalle Valle, Nemeth and Insua (to name a few) but he seems to have pushed Babel further away along with our new signing Jovanivic. Rumours are rife of problems between Roy and our full backs too (Johnson & Agger) to the level where both are rumoured to want away. The only players he seems to be helping along in the team are his 3 signings Poulsen, Konchesky and Merilies but only Merilies seems to really deserve the chance. On the youth front he appears to have done the most damage. Yes he has given Shelvey, Spearing and Eccleston a few appearances but are they ready yet? Part of me thinks he is throwing them in the deep end before telling them how to swim. On the reverse of that coin you have Pacheco who has been given a couple of chances out of position and then vanished (now rumoured to want out), Dalle Valle & Nemeth our highly rated reserve strikers have both been sold - Dalle Valle in exchange for KONCHESKY??? A young player with bags of potential for an average player nearing the end of his career?? Great work Roy... And don't get me started on him offloading Insua (who did remarkably well last season considering the pressure put on him) and then re-signing Aurelio on a 2yr deal after he had rejected rafas pay per game deal - what a great bit of work from Roy. Give the crock a contract and then pay for him to be injured for the first [...]
Yes, because it's fair to compare Fulham to Liverpool, as both clubs are on the same level in terms of money to spend, overall wealth, and ability to attract players.
ReplyDeleteWhat a ridiculous comparison. Do you understand the meaning of ther word 'fair'?!
this is not about comparing rafa to roy, or roy to paisley or whatever.
ReplyDeletethis is about the suitability of roy hodgson as liverpool manager.
roy is not good enough for the job. surely your beloved stats will show you that.
If you want to play that game then:
ReplyDeleteAlso in Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Ngog(free), Maxi(free), Skrtel, Agger, Pacheco, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Insua, Aquilani.
Alonso, Arbeloa, Crouch, Bellamy were all brought in thanks to Benitez. Not like he came in and loaned them out. There was also no financial loss by losing these.
Do you accept that Poulsen is not the best swap for Mascherano? Do you think Poulsen is better than Aquilani?
traitorous implies scheming behind said persons back and without their prior knowledge.
ReplyDeleteif you attended games and heard the cries from the crowd, and roys comments on the same subject, this is not the case. he is fully aware of the crowd feeling towards him.
James - if you suggest one more time that I don't watch the games I will ban you permanently. Stop talking nonsense.
ReplyDeleteRe your points: you're just making excuses. It doesn't matter why the players came here; they have not done the business. That is what matters.
Not asking from him to be sacked.
ReplyDeleteOut: Aquilani
In: Poulsen
Yeah, and when the new super manager comes in and does f'all this season what are you gonna cry about then? We are going through a bad time at the moment, get over it...these owners will sort things out, that is one thing I'm confident in, just do your research on Boston Red Sox
ReplyDeleteand I do want Hodgson out, but i don't think it's gonna change anything
ReplyDeleteYes - backing the Liverpool manager in his first 4 months in job
ReplyDeleteis traitorous!
I am not a Hodgson apologist; I am a Liverpool FC apologist. I readily concede that he has made mistakes, AND that things have to improve. I've said this countless times. It's not Hodgson I am defending; it is the principle that ANY manager of Liverpool FC deserves to be supported in their first 4-6 months in the job.
Such a horrific principle, eh? What a horrible fan I am!
Kneejerk, unreasonable Fans' like you are a disgrace.
Whatever. Do you actually like Liverpool and its supporters?
ReplyDeleteApology for what? Fans DID lie. They deliberately intended to deceive other Liverpool fans about Hodgson's away record. Deliberate intent to deceive = lying.
ReplyDeleteTomkins et al deliberatley changed what the Mail posted to suggest that Hodgson's entire tenure in English football had yielded only 13 wins. That is a lie.
I found the performance against Blackburn quite good. This may show that I have seen a different game than you or that you have a extremely short memory.
ReplyDeleteI don't give a damn what a miniscule number of fans on an LFC forum say. They are not the majority. They are entitled to their view; I am entitled to mine.
ReplyDeleteHow many people have voted? 1000? 1500? That wold constitute about 0.000000001% of the total worldwide fanbase.
And we still were outplayed at Fulham last season.
ReplyDeleteOnce again: Benitez had been in the job for 6 years. Hodgson has only had 4 months. There is a massive difference, and if you can't see that then there's no point discussing the issue with you.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day Roy Hodgson is LFC manager regardless of how the results and performances, good or bad, have been. Our job is to get behind the team and support the man in charge until, if deemed necessary, a change is made. We are not the fans who call for their managers head and we never have been. I have traveled away this season and been dismayed by the lack of ambition but never will I, as a Liverpool fan, openly sing for a different manager or belittle anyone at LFC. Changes will be made if the job is not done but we are not here to make them. Be proud and keep personal opinion aside and support the team as after all we are called supporters!
ReplyDeleteUsing that argument you should point out that Fulham went further than us in Europe. Not to mention that playing in Europe was/is Rafas strengths.
ReplyDeleteYou're being deliberately argumentative. There's othing traitorous about realising that someone is not up to the job that they have been employed to do. In fact.. the quicker you can arrive to this conclusion the better since you can save everyone a lot of time, hassle and money.
ReplyDeleteSince the owners are keen to bleed us dry they should realise that a few seasons of watching this dross will see revenues fall, and profits decrease.
So your point is specious, and dripping with a bitter sarcasm.
Anyway.. I asked you on another post a pretty simple question about evidence of progress..
You keep banging on about giving Hodgson more time... but what gives you reason to believe that he will acheive the required success?
Like I said.. I'm looking for reasons but can't really see many. I'd be interested in your opinion on this football matter.
If you have one.
that would imply there are 150,000,000,000,000 people in the world who support liverpool.
ReplyDeleteare you sure all your stats haven't gone to your head?
Ian Rush will take a political stance for the club as he has to. If he where to make a personnal choice then I feel the matter would be different. Hypothetically, if Ian Rush was the person who was making the decision of who would be the next liverpool manager and he had Kenny Dalglish or Roy Hodgson to pick from, who would he have chosen. As a liverpool and football fan, if I only had the choice from two then I would have went with Kenny and I am sure every liverpool fan would have done the same. If there was other options on the table like Gus Hiddink, Fabio Cappello a manager that is a proven winner, experienced and can manage big players and build a tactically astute team in the modern era, then of course he would have been the choice. But if your saying Kenny or Roy, and they where standing in front of you who would you give the job to?? The fact is he is not the right choice for liverpool and maybe Kenny is not. The argument is if we all would have chosen Kenny, then we are choosing someone to manage our club that hasnt been in management for 10 years, although i would love it as a fan to see him in the managers dugout, it say alot about the capacity of Roy Hodgson.!!!
ReplyDeleteLucas?! Insua?! What did they EVER do for Liverpool under Benitez? How did they improve the team? What positive impact did either of those players have?! NOTHING.
ReplyDeleteAquilani? He was a waste of money. Just because he's playing well at Juve doesn't change the fact that he was INJURED when he arrived at Liverpool and didn't play for 3 months, by which time the season was in the toilet. It's not Aquilani whose to blame, it's Benitez for buying him.
You're scraping the barrell now. Maxi?! How exactly has he improved the team? he contirbutes next to nothing, and it was like that last season and it's continued this season.
Pacheco? He may have potential but what has he done in his career to warrant being labelled a brilliant buy?
Agger? Perpetually injured. Last season he was fit for most of the yar and we had our worst season in ages. What did he bring to the table?
Jamie...you can twist and turn facts, as much as you like, to go along with how you see things but, the fact is that you are in the minority, the majority know, when they have been conned, by landing (Clueless) Hodgson!.
ReplyDeleteI like some supporters. I don't like them all. Why should I?! Do you like everyone on the planet? There are good and bad, and I dislike fans who personally and professionally denigrate a manager of LFC after only 4 months.
ReplyDeleteThe idea we should like every fan is nonsense, and unrealistic.
Erm, so, Johnson and Degen were not brought in to replace Arbeloa and Finnan, Dossena was not brought in to replace Riise, Keane and Voronin were not brought in to replace Bellamy and Crouch. Why were they brought in then?
ReplyDeletehodgson has had 35 years in football.
ReplyDeletewhat has he won, and when, that makes him the man for the job?
UNITED fan here.......JAMIE is a good writer u guys should give roy a chance.....cuz if u don't it'll only makes things worse 4 the club......don't know why liverpool fans like the fat spanish waiter soo much the dude's clueless......as much as i hate liverpool rather have them finish 4th than that useless man shitty
ReplyDeleteAgain don't comment fans as if you know us...I just want the team to play to win, that's not too much to ask from RH right?
ReplyDeleteBellamy may be a trouble maker, but he is a much better player than Babel. At least Bellamy is determined to do something on the pitch. Riise needed to go? We haven't had a left-back who could tie his laces ever since he left (considering that Aurelio is permanently injured). Degen, Voronin and Zenden were free, right. Free means no transferfee had to be paid, but they surely commanded some signin-fees and wages. You point out to where Keane is now, but how much have we paid for him and why? Johnson is a great attacking full-back, but he can't create as many goals as we concede due to the instability he causes in our back four.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't you buy players to improve your squad? You make it sound as if we should buy players to sell them on as soon as possible without making a loss.
ReplyDeleteTraitorous is not sticking up for your players when other managers make ridiculous accusations against them. Traitorous is labelling your own player unworthy of wearing an England shirt. Traitorous is claiming that your goalkeeper made a blunder by trying to be too creative which lead to a goal.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how my dislike and non-support of such a "leader" is traitorous. Until the man has a clue about where us as fans come from and until he removes his head from his backside and learns how to play mildly watchable football then I suppose I will be glad to be labelled as "traitorous" because I have eyes, and they show me a "team" that doesn't have any form of proper direction.
to that end, how come all powerful, mega rich liverpool are below sunderland, bolton, villa and stoke?
ReplyDeletehow come our manager has not been able to press home the financial and reputational benfot he has inherited?
jAMIE i DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS. u R NOT A FAN of Liverpool full stop. We lost the greatest manager this club has had in the last 20 years because of dicks like you. we had an awful injury list last year, and many refereeing decisions went against us. One bad season and we lost Rafa to the fool we have now. And the press isnt getting on his back because he is English. He has had a fucked season.....full stop. Rafa did wonders with the squad we have we shows how great a job he did with the little money he had to spend. You constantly write bullshit on your site.
ReplyDeleteI don't want Hodgson out, particularly.
ReplyDeleteI want him to get an almighty kick in the backside and a sharp reaquaintance with what it means to be a Liverpool manager. I think he doesn't really have a clue.
The man needs to grow some balls.
I don't care if I'm in the minority. I was in the minority over the following view too:
ReplyDelete* LFC would not go into administration
* The 'Going Concern' warning by auditors was irrelevant.
* There was no way LFC would have 9 points deducted
* LFC's interest payments were exaggerated by the press
* LFC's debt levels were exaggerated by the press
* LFC's debt levels would not have a lasting negative impact on the club
* Benitez would never win the league with Liverpool
* Signing Aquilani was a mistake
* Signing Johnson was a mistake
* Signing Keane was a mistake
* Alonso was pushed out by Benitez
And there are many more. The majority argued against me on the above points, and as usual, the majority was wrong. Just like the majority is *again* wrong now.
The majority also believed that the world was flat once upon a time.
History proves that the majority gets it wrong most of the time. It is the *minority* get things right nd pushes for change.
How did Poulsen improve the team? What positive impact has he had? NOTHING.
ReplyDeleteSo Lucas is not playing well? Insua looked better than Konchesky.
When Aquailani was given a chance he looked good. When Poulsen is given a chance he is lost. Aquilani needed a chance this season. He isn't injured anymore is he? You make me laugh.
Scraping the barrell? What would you call Warnock..lol ...and Finnan was past his best.Hyppia is at the end of his career. Oh by the way Maxi is picked by Hodgson regularly. Even over his buys Jovanovic and poulsen.
Agger is a good player...you cannot seriously criticise him.
Do you accept that Poulsen is not the best swap for Mascherano? Do you think Poulsen is better than Aquilani?
You should buy players to improve the squad.
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Who's squad is improved?
Wow, what's the sand like that you've got your head buried in kanwar?! Myopic and reactionary post to be fair. Not a thing wrong with standing by Roy and urging positivity if that's your outlook and God bless Rushie for not mentioning the elephant in the room that is Uncle Woyston, but his harmlessness of approach and your belief in Hodgson does not mean that wanting rid of this guy makes me a traitor...I have long since ceased to be 'riled' by your beligerence in the replies you've made to many of my contributions on here. There are times when statistical analysis must give way to other considerations. For example, Roy's record would be more palatable if:
ReplyDelete1. We weren't playing such cagey unimaginative football
2. Roy wasn't so quick to throw the players under the bus
3.He didn't keep flirting with ferguson over pepe and nando by simply refusing to tell him to f#$%k off
4.He wasnt so tactically bereft
5.Just ONE of his transfer deals was a success
6.He seemed capable of motivating his team DURING a game
7.He refrained from DEmotivating players like johnson
8.Oh Christ, i could do this all day but i'm losing the will to live.....
I think Roy's attempts to make Liverpool fans lower their expectations was about as close to traitorous as you can get.
ReplyDeletea) We are known and lauded for our reputedly high expectations.
b) We have got those expectations because most previous managers have delivered.
c) It is his job to live up to those expectations. Not to try to reduce them.
Liverpool fans want good, attacking football and a competative team that will fight on the pitch. That's all. We saw that the team is more than capable of producing this on very rare occasions... Roy's task was to make these occasions less rare.. not more rare.
Our expectations are realistic. Nobody expects us to win the title this season.. probably not next either.
I think Roy's attempts to make Liverpool fans lower their expectations was about as close to traitorous as you can get.
ReplyDeletea) We are known and lauded for our reputedly high expectations.
b) We have got those expectations because most previous managers have delivered.
c) It is his job to live up to those expectations. Not to try to reduce them.
Liverpool fans want good, attacking football and a competative team that will fight on the pitch. That's all. We saw that the team is more than capable of producing this on very rare occasions... Roy's task was to make these occasions less rare.. not more rare.
Our expectations are realistic. Nobody expects us to win the title this season.. probably not next either. However evidence of progress would be much appreciated.
history will also show the majority of people think poosen is shite
ReplyDeletehistory will show the majority of people think kinchecky is shite
history will show benitez bought and sold 87 players in six years and most of them were shite as well and that wqs part of his downfall.
but above all, history will show that roy hodgson has not achieved anything to merit being liverpool manager, and my crystal ball will show he will achieve fuck all as well.
he is the boss so that is what it is, the fact is he should never have been allowed near the club.
mistakes should not be allowed to fester, they should be terminated as early as possible.
If Hodgson walks... I doubt he'll be alone. There'll be a queue of people holding the taxci door open...
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jamie, do you sit in your bedroom bashing one out over all the nonsense you post just to get a reaction?
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ReplyDeleteYes backing a Liverpool manager who is clearly not up to the job because of some idealistic principle is traitorous. 'Club over individual', isn't that always what you preach? 'Rejecting blind faith fandom' is another. You aren't doing it now.
You are a Hodgson apologist. You have written countless articles recently where your main aim is to denigrate other manager's performances in order to present Hodgson in a better light. You cited 'soulless' football as a reason to throw a flounce at the start of the year but it is acceptable to you now. Why? Because he has been in the job 4 months. You critique players we signed before they play for us under a 'critical realism' umbrella when you neglected to do the same for this manager. Why? Because if you had, you would have come to the same conclusion as the rest of us then, that he wasn't up to the job. That he would never have had it were it not for the previous ownership regime (who, might I add you also presented in a favourable light against all reason/evidence to the contrary).
Yes, it is a horrific principle. It is short sighted and against all that is better for the club. You still can't justify why he should keep his job other than 'he should be supported for the first year'. Did you see the improvement at Chelsea between Scolari - Hiddink - Ancellotti? Bet Chelsea are glad they hung onto a manager who wasn't gelling. Club > Individual. Scolari made it past Xmas and he was lucky.
If I am a disgrace because I am in direct confrontation to your principles, then I will take that as a compliment actually. You prove time and again your hypocrisy, which wouldn’t be so bad in itself if you weren't so mistakenly outspoken and moralistic at your perceived uncovering of others'.
Disgrace is right. Just not as you meant it.
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If Hodgson walks... I doubt he'll be alone. There'll be a queue of people holding the taxci door open...
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If Hodgson walks... I doubt he'll be alone. There'll be a queue of people holding the taxi door open...
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Ian Rush works for LFC, of course he will always say things that appeal to both the manager and the owners, afterall he does have a mortgage to pay as he played before players where millionaires.
ReplyDeleteSo although I respect his comments as a Liverpool icon they do not and will not change mine or anybody's opinion of Hodgson.
Hodgson does not fill the fans with confidence even though deep down we all want to support him like we do all our managers, but his actions, comments, decisions, signings and overall perception of Liverpool have all been questionable and in some cases ridiculed.
The fact is Jaimie a lot of the negativity surrounding Hodgson is down to himself, he really does remind me of George W Bush, despite his lofty position, you know he is a baboon completely out of his depth. Unless the performances vastly improve he will never win over the majority of fans, notice I said performance not results, we do not expect miracles but we do expect to see progress.
Anteater you're off the track here mate, Degen was at the Club BEFORE Arbeloa left by a full season no less! Degen was a squad filler, he was never intended to "replace" Arbeloa or any other first team player. It's fair to say Johnson was Arbeloa's replacement and his current from has been poor but he CAN improve and play better.
ReplyDeleteBellamy was sold to help fund the Torres purchase (allegedly) and to be honest he was a negative influence on some quarters of the dressing room. HE wasn't sold and replaced with Voronin at all, Voronin signed 6 months before Bellamy left and a full 18 months before Crouch left!
If you're going to make outlandish statements at least bother to check they'll hold up to the most basic of scrutiny.
anteater, you keep referring to this game against Fulham last season in which we were outplayed. I take it you're refering to the one that we were 2-1 down at Craven Cottage, and then we had two defenders sent off, and they scored another against 9 men. I was at that game, we weren't outplayed. We lost fair and square but we weren't outplayed. In fact the majority of the first half we were the better team and they scored against the run of play.
ReplyDeleteJaimie, 'Top 4' finish I do hope so. How many points do you think will be good enough for the top 4? I would say, this season, around 65-68 points for 4th. Trouble is there are only 75 points to play for. It's going to be an exciting ride to get there don't you think? I feel better about the season already! Well it can't get much worse.
ReplyDeleteBut there isn't a massive difference between 4 months and 6 months which is when you said you will judge him.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're basically doing JK is sitting on the fence for another month and a half before making judgement. And yet you call anyone who makes a judgement after 4 months a hypocrite or traitorous. Who made up these rules?? Six months is ok, but 4 months isn't.
The funny thing is that I actually agree with you, we should give him until January, but the difference is that I can see where those who want him gone are coming from and I respect that opinion because it inirmally based on the rubbish football we are playing. I don't call them hypocrites or traitorous.
Debunking the Myth; Jaimie Kanwar is not a Liverpool fan in any way shape or form. He is a plant. Armed with pseudo statistics he did his utmost to undermine Benitez. Now he's supporting Hodgson in the same way as Ferguson, Allardyce and Moyes do because in his heart he KNOWS Hodgson will destroy our once great club. Don't waste your time and effort 'debating' with this plant because he'll always have the final say... and take his ball home (ban you) from this site when he loses an argument! WARNING ALL TRUE REDS he is a Media Plant...YNWA
ReplyDeleteYou're a traitor for calling for a Liverpool manager's head after only 4 months.
ReplyDeleteI was obviously exaggertating to make a point. You should look up the word 'pedant' in the dictionary.
ReplyDeleteBenitez is a 1000 times better manager than Hodgson. Fact.
ReplyDeleteGary - If in January Liverpool are not within touching distance of the top 4 (or in the top 4), I am not suddenly going to become Anti-Hodgson and call for him to be sacked; I will be more willing to criticise the lack of progress, and point out tactical errors etc, just like I did under Benitez.
ReplyDeleteUntil then, I am not going to do that because give the turmoil the club has experienced, and the hangover from last season, it is not fair to slam the manager yet.
your the stats man - accuracy is key pal.
ReplyDeleteWhereas those using Away wins figures weren't exaggerating to make a point and you weren't a pedant for calling them up on it.
ReplyDeleteHypocrisy reigns.
Not really mate. You said you get how many hits a months? And how many people regularly post on here, a few hundred? So the majority read what you had written,and thought "mmm that's quite interesting", and then got on with their lives. The people that post on here are the minority of the people who visit your site. So the majority has actually stayed silent. You've not proved us wrong on anything. We are more than capable of making up our own minds thank you.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you care about improving the squad/team/performances?
ReplyDeleteYour stock answer to everything is 'well it was the same last year'.
We don't have to get better, you still think you are correct by pointing backwards. It's gone now, get over it. We have more problems presently.
Sorry, i forgot. It was bad last year wasn't it?
Whereas it is fine for you to belittle a player before he has ever kicked a ball for us.
ReplyDeleteHypocrisy reigns.
Hyocrisy reigns? You sound like George's Dad from Seinfield screaming 'Serenity Now!'
ReplyDeleteBeing critical of a player's motives for joining the club does not constitute belittlement.
A bit off subject, but what annoys me about most comments is they have to be biased one way and can never actually be fair. This would be a good site if Jaimie wasn't biased. People either argue for Rafa using Torres, Reina, Mascherano as examples and people argue against Rafa using Keane, Voronin and Aquilani as examples. Why are there so few out there who are fair?
ReplyDeleteJaimie - Do you actually read what you write? You say here that you are not defending Hodgson - If so, then what the hell are you doing? Calling fans traitors based on their opinion that Hodgson is not up the job, then saying you aren't defending Hodgson is ridiculous.
ReplyDeletelike you always do
ReplyDeleteHow can anyone be proved right or wrong over this? I believe he should go now while you believe he should stay for another 2 months at least. They're opinions so there can't be a right or wrong. Having John Henry or Ian Rush agree with you doesn't validate your opinion and make it more worthwhile than mine.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather listen to Rush than any of the fickle idiots who keep slagging Hodgson on this site. For anyone who expects instant success, just look at Man City. Maybe you should go and boo them too. Something Rafa used to say was 'judge me at the end of the season'. Give Hodgson the same treatment I say. And no, I'm not happy with results (or certain tactics) but I'm not a football manager. Systems take time to adapt to. Try and get behind the team. Don't let fan negativity infect the pitch. If you're unhappy, don't show it. Just keep singing. Spirit of Istanbul. etc.
ReplyDeleteHow many monrths was it before we where calling for the axe to fall on these liverpool stars.
ReplyDeleteBruno Cheyrou
Istvan Kosma
Anthony Le Tallic
Sean Dundee
Torbern Piechnick
Bernard Diomede
Salif Diao
Traore
Andriy Voronin
Nunez
Peggy Arprexad
Alberto Aquillani
The list is endless, however sometimes you can know instantly that a certain player should not be playing football at liverpool. Like Roy Hodgson these players are good plying there part for lesser teams and they are very good at it, however If liverpool want to be successfull then they will always need to sign the best players and bring in the best managers. As a paying fan I have a right to air my views without being called a traitor. In liverpool at the moment all i hear is when will he go he was not the right choice. I wont boo Roy Hodgson at all as I have respect for him but if your saying is he the right man to lead liverpool back to glory, no he is not as the simple fact of the matter is there are better managers around, players know this and thats why they will sign for these managers. If alex ferguson, arsene wenger, ancelotti where going for the same player top class player who would secure there signature.
Am I allowed to say that anyone who wants him to stay is also a 'traitor' as, in my opinion, it's clearly against the best interests of the club? Such fans are clearly employing blind faith here. For all the talk of this over the last few days of this I've still yet to see anyone offer a convincing agrument to keep him based on his mnerits as a manager or his positive input into the team so far.
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"Belittle"
1. To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage: a person who belittled our efforts to do the job right.
2. To cause to seem less than another or little: The size of the office tower belittles the surrounding buildings. See Synonyms at decry.
So, in the example you failed to defend (Mr Cole), it actually does. Did you not disparage him?
And then there are Aquilani/Johnson etc who you wrote that we also shouldn't have signed, again before they had so much as pulled on the shirt. I think that was 'belittling' too. I'm here all week.
Semantic ignorance reigns...
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"Belittle"
1. To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage: a person who belittled our efforts to do the job right.
2. To cause to seem less than another or little: The size of the office tower belittles the surrounding buildings. See Synonyms at decry.
So, in the example you failed to defend (Mr Cole), it actually does. Did you not disparage him?
And then there are Aquilani/Johnson etc who you wrote that we also shouldn't have signed, again before they had so much as pulled on the shirt. I think that was 'belittling' too. I'm here all week.
Semantic ignorance reigns...
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Against Blackburn we did start off well, but in the second period of the second half when they really started to cause us major problems. We just sat back on our lead and almost suffered for it. The performance at the end of the game was pretty worrying. You can't always domiate for 90 min, but after being 2-0 up we should've had the confidence to keep the game under our control.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it? Why should we stick with a manager that clearly isn't up to the task for any longer than is necessary? Football at the top level is a ruthless business and there's no room for sentiment. He isn't good enough and he should go. I would advocate giving him time if he offered any kind of encouragement since he took over but that hasn't been the case. Get off your high horse and stop grouping fans who don't share you opinions. First we had the SOS "thugs", the the Rafa "cult", and now the "traitorous" group of fans who want the manager sacked.
ReplyDeleteFor the last time: it's NOT A KNEE JERK REACTION. I've looked at what I've seen with my own eyes this season and have decided that I don not want this man to continue as manager any longer. Get rid now and get someone on for the long term; the sooner we do that the better.
But you gave Rafa almost 3 years, and you'll only give Hodgson 6 months. Is that fair?
ReplyDeleteThe funniest thing about all these articles is that you already know that Roy isn't the man for the job in the long term. Others have reached that opinion after 4 months. So what? It's their opinion. It's not hypocritical or traitorous. Ramos was sacked at Spurs after 3 months. Scolari was sacked after 7 months. Why? Because it was best for the club at he time. And both teams have gone on to have better managers. Seomtimes you just have to cut your losses.
The turmoil at the club? The same turmoil was there last season was it not? Isn't it true that H&G decided to sell last season? Wasn't Broughton brought in in April 2010 to sort out the ownership issues? Wasn't the club put up for sale in April 2010? Why did that happen JK, because everythig at the club was going great?! No, because the club was already in turmoil. So why wasn't the excuse of the turmoil at the club offered to Rafa?? Up to the end of February 2010 we were one point from 4th. Do you not think that the next few months leading up to the club being put up for sale (April) may have affected our manager and players on the pitch. Or is the turmoil of the club only an excuse available to Hodgson?
anteater you are some wind up merchant. Rafa's record in Europe speaks for itself, losing on away goals to the eventual winners of the competition which we should have beating is no shame whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteShame is on people tainting Rafa's legacy at the club, he made mistakes and admitted to them but to me he gave back us fans pride and made us feared throughout Europe beating the likes of Rabotnicki, Trabzonspor, Steaua and Napoli at home is one thing beating the likes of Inter and Real Madrid home and away is another and defeating at the time the home of European Champions Barcelona in the Nou Camp and night I will never forget being in the Nou Camp in among the Barca fans is something I can thank Rafa Benitez for because it was the greatest night for me as a supporter to be there to witness a victory like that.
I can see where both sides are coming from but I put this to you. Konchesky has been at the club the same time as Roy Hodgson. Did we all take a step back when we signed him? So do we keep letting him let right wingers sail past him and sing for him when he continually does bad. Or should we get rid of him and bring in quality in january?? Have we all judged Konchesky to not be fit to wear the colours of liverpool in the first 4 months?? I belive we have.
ReplyDeletePeople on here have been comparing Benitez and Hodgson over and over, Fact is Benitez has gone and we should have looked harder for a better manager. If you want to be winning titles and trophies then the manager you pick has to be as good as or better than the others in the league thats for starters. If you dont have this then top class players will prefer to join the clubs with these managers. So when Roy, Wenger, Ferguson, Mancini, and ancelotti are all hunting for the best players around. which teams are going to get the pick of the bunch and who will be left to scrap for the mediocre performers. If ancelotti, mourinho or Hiddink was in charge of liverpool there appointment would have like a tractor beam for prospective targets. Sadly with Roy I feel that we will sign players but it will be more of the same mediocre run of the mill players who would not get into the top 4 first teams. With the current hostilities about pacheco and Johnson leaving amongst other rumours I only hope we do not see liverpool implode when Roy hodgson finnally admits the job is to big for him.
Negativaty surrounding Hodgson will only go away when there are some positives to be seem
ReplyDeleteJK can you name 3 positive things Hodgson has done since taking over as our manager
Were we 2-0 up against Blackburn? I thought it was 1-1 (for about 4 minutes).
ReplyDeleteThis question is open to all debaters (including JKs apologists) and when you have named 3 positive things try and do the same with negative things. Just 3 of each.
ReplyDeleteGot this from wiki. If you replace 'nightwatchman' with 'Hodgson' and 'batsman' with 'manager' it makes a lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteIn the sport of cricket, a nightwatchman is a lower-order batsman who comes in to bat higher up the order than usual near the end of the day's play. This nightwatchman's job is to maintain most of the strike until the close of play (remaining in overnight, hence the name) and so protect other, more capable batsmen from being out cheaply in what may be a period of tiredness or in poor light. The theory is that losing two top-order batsmen in quick succession would be worse than losing one top-order batsman and a tailender.
However the nightwatchman's effort is not considered to be wasted, nor is he expected to play foolishly; otherwise he would not last very long. The role of nightwatchman is generally given to players who emphasise defensive technique over quick run-scoring. However there have been occasions when nightwatchmen have made a big score, and six have made centuries in test matches. Generally speaking, the nightwatchman plays conservatively on the night, but the next day may be allowed a freer role to score runs.
Hodgson is our flippin nightwatchman! Where is Curtley Ambrose when you need him 8-)
The same traitors who follow the club all round this country and Europe? The same traitors who pay their £700 for a season ticket followed by circa £50 for 19 league games away from home plus cup games and games in Europe too, the same traitors who sing You'll Never Walk Alone at 80 minutes when we are 3-0 down to Man City away from home, the same traitors who sang at 3-0 down against AC Milan at Half Time in a European Cup Final and helped inspire their team to come back, yeah, they are real traitors aren't they?
ReplyDeleteJaimie you have to admit that you're in the minority when it comes to supporting a manager who doesn't give you any reason to like or respect him.
ReplyDeleteThe way he publicly bad-mouths his own players is a sign of poor management, and he obviously has no clue as to how to use a large squad (larger than Fulham).
Players such as Pepe, Johnson, Pacheco, Aquilani, Agger are all world class players who have been left feeling extremely dispondant wrt Roy's management and either we have an entire squad overhaul, or we get a manager who knows how to work with what he's got. Roy has already complained about the squad that he has (too many overpriced flops) then gets rid of Aquilani when he's finally fit and brings in Mereiles??? No disrespect to Mereiles but give me Aqua any day over him. People shouldn't judge Poulsen so harshly because he was never going to be able to fill Masch's boots, but Roy thought that he could. Insua was a good squad player to have, but then Roy gets rid of a young talent like him and brings in an even worse player in Konchesky. Now we're stuck with a host of jaded players who don't look as if they enjoy what they're doing due to Roy's bumbling, innept management.
He needs to go. The longer he stays the more he infects the club with his stinking attitude of accepting mediocrity.
So if there's a massive difference between 4 months & 6 years, why was Rush supporting him? Why not address that question?
ReplyDeleteWe need a manager who is upto the Standards of this Club not a whiner....... Liverpool needs someone who will make immediate impact. How i dream of Mourinho!!!!
ReplyDeleteHello Jaimie
ReplyDeleteI am dumbfounded by your persistance to support Roy. You are allowed though.
Still maybe you are spreading lies too? You say " a small section of traitorous fans continue to call for Roy Hodgson's head". That is a lie, plain and simple. At least 70% of Liverpool fans want him out. Another site shows today over 90% call for his head.
I do not find that you have any credibility in either your comments, analysis or "facts".
Benitez might have lost his grip on the team last season, I agree to that, but after 5 years where he made the team play amazing football and won the most points in the club's history and with limited funds and H&G being the constant stick in the wheel.
Maybe you are as deluded, clueless as Roy?
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But this article is about this season, under Roy Hodgson. I think giving Italian teams a boost is treacherous - Hodgson is a traitor.
ReplyDeleteJaimie, when do you think it becomes acceptable to ask for Roy to be replaced then? When we fail to qualify for any European football? When the morale of the team and supporters is totally crushed? When we lose star players like Gerrard and Torres because they struggle to see a light at the end of the tunnel? When quality players are sidelined as Roy can't work out how to deal with them? When Roy has successfully offloaded more of our promising youngsters? Or should we give him the benefit of the doubt now and wait until it gets worse at the end of the season ;)
ReplyDeleteBut seriously, Roy is a good manager but just is not right for LFC. His tactics and man management are just not working. It is hard to find anyone who has belief that things will get better under him. Yes it is the Liverpool way to get behind the manager but when that manager is damaging the club in this way then surely as the ones behind him it falls to us to ask him to leave before he does more damage to our great club and his own reputation.
So why is Hodgson playing Maxi ahead of Jovanovic? In the recent run of 4 games won in a row, Jovanovic played precisely 0 minutes - Do you think Hodgson sees something you don't?
ReplyDeleteDid you notice this brilliant phrase: 'Agger? Perpetually injured. Last season he was fit for most of the year...'
ReplyDeleteIs he perpetually injured, or not?
agree with all except the bit about the 'amazing football' we played under Rafa. It as far from amazing.
ReplyDeleteThe job of a manager like you pointed out is to unite the team. In the year 2010 football is a squad game where all players should feel like they have an oppoorunity to compete for a place in the side. With hodgson still using terms such as 'my reserve players' or 'back up players' or his 'B'' team he demonstrates that his grasp on the evolution of the squad game is pretty non-existant. You will never be able to motivate a group of players if you make thaem feel second rate,
ReplyDeleteGreat point yewo. The tagline for this website used to be fawning blind faith fandom. Blind faith - to believe without true understanding, perception or discrimination. What is JK doing for the first six months? Supporting the manager regardless of what's going on on the pitch, without taking into consideration the manager's pedigree and achievements so far, supporting him without even believing that he is the right man for the job in the long term; a perfect example of blind faith fandom.
ReplyDeleteAND THE REST OF YOU ARE HYPOCRITES FOR NOT SHOWING THIS BLIND FAITH. WHY AREN'T YOU ALL SHOWING HIM SUPPORT DESPITE THE RUBBISH FOOTBALL AND THE POOR MAN MANAGEMENT!!!
Great point yewo. The tagline for this website used to be rejecting blind faith fandom. Blind faith - to believe without true understanding, perception or discrimination. What is JK doing for the first six months? Supporting the manager regardless of what's going on on the pitch, without taking into consideration the manager's pedigree and achievements so far, supporting him without even believing that he is the right man for the job in the long term; a perfect example of blind faith fandom.
ReplyDeleteAND THE REST OF YOU ARE HYPOCRITES FOR NOT SHOWING THIS BLIND FAITH. WHY AREN'T YOU ALL SHOWING HIM SUPPORT DESPITE THE RUBBISH FOOTBALL AND THE POOR MAN MANAGEMENT!!! ;)
traitorous??? seriously/??
ReplyDeleteu were the one last season who firstly in every article called for rafa to be sacked, then actually gave up on football.....how is that being a fan of the club??
U GAVE UP
the biggest worry for me, is that so many players want to leave, regardless if there good enough or not - that isnt exactly the attitude i want players to have - especailly young pacheco...if he leaves...how sad is that - player of a tournament, cant get a game under roy and wants to leave...that will be great .wont it??
will u be praising him then??
History proves that the majority gets it wrong most of the time. It is the *minority* get things right nd pushes for change.
ReplyDeletewhat a load of tripe you write...!
You will always find negatives in any performance. And so will I. The second half against Chelsea worried me a lot more then say the last 15 minutes against Blackburn.
ReplyDeleteFans who call for ANY Liverpool manager to be sacked after 4 months are traitors as far as I am concerned.
ReplyDeleteAnd here you go again...!!....calling fans who pay to watch Liverpool, home and away, as traitors....! Mate take a chill pill, will you? Fans are allowed to voice their opinion whether you agree with them or not.
How could that happen then? We had, according to quite a few people on message boards, a tactical genious as manager at the time. And played against, again according to many people across the web, against a manager who couldn't manage a meeting of fleas on a dog.
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ReplyDeleteI can see why you like Hodg-Podg......you both talk a lot of tripe...!....Siamese twins are we?
Hey! Lawro says "<span>if I was offered an eighth place finish now I’d snap your hand off" Care to comment</span>
ReplyDeleteI thought you would get the overall point. It was never planned to have, say four right-backs. Obviously I don't have the time and/or will to research all of the points I make here. Liverpool fans are known to be knowledgeable so I expect them to get the main point.
ReplyDeleteI bet my bottom penny that, would Jovanovic have had a major impact, people would bang on how he was Rafa's signing.
ReplyDeleteObviously I failed to bring my point across. We used to have such a turnover in players that it became obvious that we buy to sell the same player in a year or so.
ReplyDeleteAnd, as much as Aquilani is technically a more gifted player than Poulsen, and given that Poulsen has had an abysmal start to his career at our club, I think Poulsen is much better defensively than Aquilani ever will be. What next? You compare Reina with Torres?
The reason I use that "stock answer" should be evident to you. It is not because I don't want us to get better, it is because people don't want to see that our squad is maybe not as good as we all want it to be and fail to remember that we were quite shit (for our standards) last season already. Now everything is Roys fault. Great perspective.
ReplyDeleteGreat attitude, man. Keep up the Liverpool way.
ReplyDeleteWasnt Rafa owed one mediocre finish,7th and european semifinalist with all he had achived beforehand,last year no Torres for most of season and no Gerrard for half.What have LFC done.Got rid of The man who was twice voted European manager of the year.Got rid of the man who had LFC top of the pile in Europe.Got rid of the man who lost 2 games all season in the league and on 86 pts was the highest ever total never to win it.Brought players to the club with a winning mentality,Reina,Kuyt,Alonso,Masch,Kuyt,Benayoun,Torres,Agger.Under Rafa anything was achievable and i know in my heart of hearts things will never be the same again,unless of course the second coming happens at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteNo, the same turmoil was NOT there last year. Were there court cases to decide the future of the club last year?! NO. Was there change of ownership last year? NO. Did we finish 7th in the season prior to last year? NO. Was the squad massively demotivated last year after the previous year's finish? No.
ReplyDeleteOn a related note, Gary. You and I have discussed one particula issue many times yet you *still* persist with deliberately misrepresenting my view. I'm referring to you continually arguing that I am hypocritical because I was critical of Benitez last year but I'm not being critical of Hodgson this year.
As I've explained before - and you know this - there is a massive difference. Benitez had been at the club for 6 years; he'd had enough time to implement his ideas. It wasn't working; the season was appalling. And after 6 years, it was totally fair to question Benitez's management. Conversely, Hodgson has been at the club for 4.5 months; it is OBVIOUS why I am not on his back. as I've explained, I don't feel it's fair to condemn a manager after 4 months. Additionally, it is not a blind faith issue; I have acknowledged that Hodgson has made mistakes, and I have also repeatedly said things need to improve. You persist with suggesting that I am not being true to the site's tagline of 'rejecting Blind Faith', despite the fact that you this is not an example of that.
Well, I am sick of your constant sniping. I've given you chance after chance; explained this point time after time and you continue to deliberatly misrepresent my views. From now on, any post that contains any of those points will be deleted. And if you persist with posting such nonsense I will ban you permanently.
I've been more than fair over this issue but you continue misrepresent my opinions.
Rush is entitled to his opinion. There's no question to address here.
ReplyDeleteYewo - where did I say that my opinion was made more vue my point valid because Henry and Rush shared the same view?! I didn't. Nothing I've written hints or infers that. Just because I post my opinion on a website doesn't mean I'm trying to say my view means more. That's what you and others bring to the table, not me.
ReplyDeleteI argue and defend my position; big deal. So do you; so does everyone else. Why is it okay for everyone else but not for me? I don't go around arguing that everyone else thinks their opinion is more valid than mine. I don't care - that's not the issue.
I haven't argued that my view is objectively right on this. Of course I personally feel it's right to support Hodgson but that's normal. You and others personally feel it's okay to call for his head, and that's fine too. Doesn't mean that if I disagree I'm somehow arguing that my opinion is worth more than yours.
That kind of thought process is ridiculous to me.
Of course you can say that, as it's your opinion.
ReplyDeleteYou are overcomplicating the issue: it is a fundamentally obvious principle that a manager needs time to implement his ideas, especially when that manager has had to work under intensely pressurised conditions in the first few months of his reign.
If Liverpool had finished, say, 3rd last season; were in the CL; there was none of this court case nonsense and off-field turmoil, and Hodgson's team had not done well then I could accept the antipathy. This has not been the case though; fans are completely ignoring the very real and relevant problems facing the club.
Even the Co-Owner of the club admits that there are massive problems; Henry actually called it a 'plague of problems', and stated that they are 'not over yet. Despite this, you and others STILL ignore this, which is unacceptably unfair.
Hodgson is still essentially working with Benitez's team, a team that put in a whoel season of horrible performances last year. And you expect that just to change after 4 months?!
You say you haven't heard a 'convincing argument' to keep him; you haven't heard it because you are *unwilling* to hear it. If you were, you would acknowledge everything I've said above and see that it would inevitably affect the team's performances.
The fact you continually refuse to see these things just proves to me that you lack a real sense of fairness.
My mistake, I was thinking about the "Rafa gesture" game...
ReplyDeleteI prefer to find the positives, it's just that Roy hasn't left me with much optimism. In the league the first half of the Chelsea game is the only bit of football I have actually enjoyed watching.
Get over yourself already. You make it sound like you can just turn up at Anfield and buy a season ticket, or indeed any ticket, home or away. YOU CANNOT. And you know that.
ReplyDeleteIf more season tickets were available, more people would buy them. If more tickets were available, more people would go to games. 99% of the fanbase CANNOT go to game because it is logisitically or geographically impossible. In fact, the majority of the fanbase is specifically *excluded* from going to games because of various ticket schemes in place, and the fact that the ratio of interest vs available tickets is ridiculously disproportiionate.
The sense of superiority superfans such as yourself display is sickening. You continually disrespect the worldwide fanbase, and think that just because you go to every game it makes you a better fan. It doesn't. outAnd just because people go to games doesn't give them more of a right to an opinion on the club. The worldwide fanase is hugely important, and without it, the club would very quickly wither and die.
How long has Poulsen been at the club?! He's made 12 appearances (!), and you think that's enough time to for him to be judged? That says it all about you. Typical kneejerk reactionary views. Now, how long has Lucas been at the club? Exactly. He's been here enough time and played enough games for us to judge his impact on the team. And it has been ZERO. So he's had a couple of good games along the way? Good for him. Overall though, he has made no impact on this team and he has not improved the team.
ReplyDeleteIt is a knkee-jerk reaction for the same reasons I advanced in my earlier reply to you. Fans are ignoring the the 'plague of problems' as John Henry put it, and expecting Hodgson just to come into a club on its knees and turn around a year of horrible performances in just 4 months.
ReplyDelete3 positive things? I will give you 10.
ReplyDelete* Unbeaten in 10 out of 11 games at Anfield. (7 wins, 3 draws)
* Unbeaten in 8 straight European games
* Playing Gerrard in Central Midfield
* Moving Kuyt up to assist Torres in attack
* Regularly giving youth a chance (Shelvey, Eccelston, Spearing, Kelly etc)
* Presiding over a 4 game winning run
* 1 defeat only in the last 7 games
* Signing Raul Meirelles
* Dropping the defensive liability that is Glen Johnson
* 9 clean sheets since the start of the season.
One mediocre finish?! What about 2004-5; we finished 5th, with 14 defeats, and didn't qualify for the CL. That was a mediocre finish too.
ReplyDeleteThings will never be the same again?! The second coming?
Pro-Benitez Cult alert.
No truer word has been said.
ReplyDeleteYeah we had to Win the damn Champions League to get the rules rewritten to qualify for the qualifying rounds of next seasons Champions League.... NO LIVERPOOL FAN WAS COMPLAINING at the END OF 2005 !!!!
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ReplyDelete3 negative things? I will give you 15 (could have gone on, easily too).
- Worst start in the league in over 50 years.
- 1 league win away from home.
- In the relegation zone in October. Presently, in November, nearer relegation zone than top 4 points wise.
- Negative goal difference and 3rd/4th lowest scorers in the league.
- Playing players out of position. Merelies, Shelvey, Carragher and Maxi
- Giving limited chances to players who could fit into those positions. Agger, Jovanovic, Pacheco.
- Submission to Ferguson before and after Utd game. "Hope Sir Alex is still talking to me after taking the Liverpool job" and not sticking up for his player.
- Signing players like Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen and allowing other players to leave on loan who were certainly not worse, potentially better.
- Not spending that money he could have saved on a striker. At the start of the season he was all for giving Babel a chance, now apparently he isn't a striker after all.
- Northampton in the League Cup.
- Not obtaining a point in the league after conceding the first goal. Who says he has a plan B?
- Press conference stupidity, too many to mention - lucky I am counting these as 1.
- Describing a truly awful away performance against Everton as the best under his tenure. He didn't even have the sense to look annoyed about the performance either and greeted Moyes as a long lost friend.
- Hoping we wouldn't get beat 6-0 at City. Thankfully it was only 3-0, good skills Roy.
- Undermining players in public. Hodgson effect anyone?
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ReplyDelete3 negative things? I will give you 15 (could have gone on, easily too).
- Worst start in the league in over 50 years.
- 1 league win away from home.
- In the relegation zone in October. Presently, in November, nearer relegation zone than top 4 points wise.
- Negative goal difference and 3rd/4th lowest scorers in the league.
- Playing players out of position. Merelies, Shelvey, Carragher and Maxi
- Giving limited chances to players who could fit into those positions. Agger, Jovanovic, Pacheco.
- Submission to Ferguson before and after Utd game. "Hope Sir Alex is still talking to me after taking the Liverpool job" and not sticking up for his player.
- Signing players like Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen and allowing other players to leave on loan who were certainly not worse, potentially better.
- Not spending that money he could have saved on a striker. At the start of the season he was all for giving Babel a chance, now apparently he isn't a striker after all.
- Northampton in the League Cup.
- Not obtaining a point in the league after conceding the first goal. Who says he has a plan B?
- Press conference stupidity, too many to mention - lucky I am counting these as 1.
- Describing a truly awful away performance against Everton as the best under his tenure. He didn't even have the sense to look annoyed about the performance either and greeted Moyes as a long lost friend.
- Hoping we wouldn't get beat 6-0 at City. Thankfully it was only 3-0, good skills Roy.
- Undermining players in public. Hodgson effect anyone?
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So now it about the amount of turmoil?!
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the owners decide to sell a club shows that there were problems. The fact that Martin Broughton was brought in as chairman to sell the club shows that there were problems. Rafa and the owners arguing with each other shows turmoil. At the time you said that off field problems should not affect the players. But now the turmoil has affected Hodgson, and its ok. In my opinion the problems last year could explain why we finished 7th, just in the same way you are using the turmoil as an excuse for us being 11th.
And the courst cases lasted ONE WEEK. Hodgson didn't have to go to court did he? The players didn't either? Are we going to use one week of court cases for Roy;s 4.5 months so far.
Is a new manager brought in to motivate players? YES. Is a new manager brought into steady the ship? YES. After 4.5 months shouldn't the team be showing even the slightest glimpse getting better? How long are we going to blame Rafa? Six months, a year. Or maybe two years?
Utterly ridiculous.
To reply to your initial post (which has somehow changed). No, I don't intend to be a wind up merchant. I am simply fed up by people who find one rule for Rafa and one for all other managers. I am thankful to Rafa for the good memories, but I also give a lot of credit to Gerard Houllier, who is a man I for one hold in high esteem. He did a lot for our club until he, like Rafa, finally lost it. By now it seems to be allright to dismiss anything he did and prays Rafa and Rafa only. Everyone before him and after him has to be slated. In my book he was not the one who made our club what we think it is today. He is part of our history, but so is Houllier. Shame on people who think or behave as if we were found by Rafa.
ReplyDeleteThere was nothing deliberate. The figure were out only by a few. It's not a lie and it's quite disgusting that you call fellow Reds liars. Apologise.
ReplyDeleteI would never take Rafa back! I was begining to get bored of the bloke. Saying that, I would never have sacked him to replace him with the 'nightwatchman'.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion Hodgson is only at LFC as a filler until the end of the season. If he does exttremely well he'll probably stay longer. The introduction of commoili is a clear indication of this, as commoli will be buying with the next manager in mind.
It's swings and roundabouts at the moment, Hodgson is undermining and belittling his players which is the common practice at Lfc at the moment cus the board are undermining and belittling him (with good reason :) ).
A post you made the other week was made during the Napoli game, so forgive me for thinking you don't watch the games. It does matter because you were replying to someone saying that Poulsen was brought in to replace Aquilani, that's what you were addressing.
ReplyDeleteYou also defended the previous H+G ownership regime ad nauseum
ReplyDeleteTo be fair he did win the chapions league that season and helped give us the greatest final football has ever seen. Benitez may have been poor in his last year but lets not forget he has won more prestigeous trophies at his time at liverpool than Roy Hodgson has won in his 30 odd years in football. The other thing is why did'nt Inter milan go for Roy instead of Benitez??? He knows the club, he has worked their before!! I Know why, when he lost the final of the UEFA cup with Inter Mialn, who where out right favourites, he was pelted with coins and lighters by the Inter Fans, and subsequently sacked for finishing in a poor position. Another thing, Roy is 63 years old, look at all the good managers who are around this age, Cappello, Hiddink, Ferguson, wenger, they all had potential in their early years as a manager. whilesy cappello was winning titles with teams like AC Milan and Madrid, and ferguson was winning titles with Man Utd, Old boy roy was being pelted with lighters. Wrong choice from the start, I hope this situation is not a like evertons appointment of Mike Walker. He came to Everton with an outstanding record with little Norwich, hailing they where going to be the next real madrid. He got hold of everton and destroyed them, Happy about that but thing is what goes around comes around and i dont want history to repeat its self as it normally always does!
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<span><span>i wouldnt say the board are undermining and belittling him at the moment. What abt Henry's defense of Hodgson. Hasn't Comoli also indicated that Roy will have big input into any aquistions in January.</span></span>
Why don't you answer my questions?
ReplyDeleteDo you accept that Poulsen is not the best swap for Mascherano? Do you think Poulsen is better than Aquilani?
Read my original post.
So now not only should we give Hodgson time but also Poulsen.
I accept that there have been off field distractions but it doesn't excuse what we've seen so far this season. I also didn't expect everything to turn around overnight but I did expect to see some fresh ideas and enthusiasm. In my opinion the mood is even more downbeat than it was last season and there has appeared to be a lack of ideas from the manager in terms of how we setup and approach games. Unless the manager changes his football philosiphy then I can't see anything changing.
ReplyDelete@ Sumon. I'm reading between the lies and the spin. Every organisation has a PR machine and ours is in full effect at the moment bruva. If Henry and comolli came out and said Hodgson was crap it would make things more interesting...but its never going to happen.
ReplyDeleteI do understand that there have been other things to deal with but it's not an excuse. I'm not ignoring these things- I just don't see them as being hugely influential to the performances we see on the pitch. If anything I would have expected the sale of the club to produce a bit of optimism and see us push on but it hasn't happened.
ReplyDeletePeople would be willing to give more time if they saw positive signs of a new regime providing fresh impitus on the pitch but the fact that:
a) Roys vision of how a team should setup seems woefully negative and doesn't inspire confidence
b) nobody really sees him as a long term option anyway
is why people want him out.
Well if Reina was as good as Poulsen is, then bringing in Torres would definately imrpove our squad.
ReplyDeleteAquilani could have played with Lucas as a defensive player.
Based on Jamie's title, I thought that I was about to read a glowing epistle to Roy Hodgson from Rushie. However, he never even mentioned the man's name in his interview. I'm not sure that this proves anything that Kanwar is trying to sell.
ReplyDeleteI supported Hodgson when he was first selected, but seeing the rookie mistakes that he has made and continues to make convinced me that he was out of his depth. It doesn't take 6 months to figure that out. We loved Rafa, because he did not know when he was beaten. Istanbul will live on in Liverpool mythology forever. I hope that ROy can do the same thing at some point, but I see no evidence of that capability in him.
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ReplyDeletePURE LIVERPOOL'S WAY.
NEVER GIVE UP.
I'm sorry JK, or should i call you the llittle dictator, I don't know what you're talking about. You can check my last 10 posts and you'll see that I haven't persistently said anything about you being hypocritical by criticising Rafa last year and not Hodgson this year. You could probably check the last 20 posts and you'll find that I haven't misrepresented you in any way either. Nor have i sniped at you. If i have why don't you show me examples.
ReplyDeleteBan me if you want. I couldn't care less, but I thought this was an opinion based website.
The fact is that more often than not I make decent, valid points, and they normally disagree with your opinion. If you can't handle that then that is your problem not mine.
My main problem with Hodgson is that he is so negative and seems more interested in saving his reputation then the player's. His signings haven't been 'amitious' to put it nicely. The performances and style of play are what really gets to me. I constanstly find myself yelling at Skrtel and Carra through the screen to stop punting the ball up field.
ReplyDeleteI noticed the other day that Roy is the first British LFC manager since Shankly to not be a former player or part of the club in the past. I just have so little faith in Roy and I feel that that can't be fixed. Things like calling us vs Everton the best performance of the season or the win in Trabzbon famous show his small club mentality. I was happy at the time to see Rafa go but we didn't bring in the best possible available replacement like Pelligrini or even maybe King kenny. God save Liverpool. YNWA.
Yeah we also won the Cl. Thought you might let that slip :)
ReplyDeleteMy main problem with Hodgson is that he is so negative and seems more interested in saving his reputation then the player's. His signings haven't been 'amitious' to put it nicely. The performances and style of play are what really gets to me. I constanstly find myself yelling at Skrtel and Carra through the screen to stop punting the ball up field.
ReplyDeleteI noticed the other day that Roy is the first British LFC manager since Shankly to not be a former player or part of the club in the past. I just have so little faith in Roy and I feel that that can't be fixed. Things like calling us vs Everton the best performance of the season or the win in Trabzbon famous show his small club mentality. I was happy at the time to see Rafa go but we didn't bring in the best possible available replacement like Pelligrini or even maybe King kenny. God save Liverpool. YNWA.
50 years a Kopite - JK you are far too controversial for the RAFA loving knobheads, Benitez alone put my football club in the position it is in now, Hodgson is most definitely not the manager this club needs, he proved that by signing Konchesky and Poulsen, and being shit with the press. But we're stuck with him for this season - let's hope with his boring RAFA inspired defensive football, his uncanny knack of playing people out of position and worst of all ignoring the exceptional young talent we do have, he doesn't get us relegated.
ReplyDeleteKeep it up JK, the majority of older Liverpool fans agree with most of your opinions, it's the younger brain dead, RAFA loving idiots that don't.
50 years a Kopite - JK you are far too controversial for the RAFA loving knobheads, Benitez alone put my football club in the position it is in now, Hodgson is most definitely not the manager this club needs, he proved that by signing Konchesky and Poulsen, and being shit with the press. But we're stuck with him for this season - let's hope with his boring RAFA inspired defensive football, his uncanny knack of playing people out of position and worst of all ignoring the exceptional young talent we do have, he doesn't get us relegated.
ReplyDeleteKeep it up JK, the majority of older Liverpool fans agree with most of your opinions, it's the younger brain dead, RAFA loving idiots that don't.
So when Ian Rush speaks 'positively' about LFC's chances this season, he's a true legend speaking 'with grace & sense...<span>perfectly (encapsulating) everything (Jaimie Kanwar has) been arguing....'; but when he speaks positively about Rafa Benitez in the 2009/10 season, 'Rush is entitled to his opinion.' Double standards, anyone? </span>
ReplyDeleteI think we might be able to see why Jaimie feels 'there is no question to address here'.
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It makes absolutely no difference who signed which player out of Maxi & Jovanovic. The point being made was that Hodgson was choosing to put Maxi ahead in the team selection, & in 4 games that we won in a row. Jovanovic didn't get a sniff in any of those games! Yet J. Kanwar persists in his prejudiced view that Maxi 'contributes next to nothing: 'You're scraping the barrell now. Maxi?! How exactly has he improved the team?'
ReplyDeleteIt's very clear to see that Hodgson doesn't agree with such prejudiced views!
It's impossible to say whether it was deliberate - this is exactly the doubt that Jaimie Kanwar needs to perpetrate his contemptible nonsense!
ReplyDeleteDefintely not mediocre, given the circumstances he was in. I wonder where Hodgson would've got us in the PL, if we'd been in the Champions League under him? Seriously out of his depth, methinks.
ReplyDeleteVery intriguing views there Jabes, with your 50 years on the Kop: 'let's hope with his boring RAFA inspired defensive football...'. How was it we managed such an enormous goal tally 2008/9, & Gerrard in the form of his life; Torres scoring so many goals so quickly, & high-scoring brilliant wins against some of the best teams in Europe? Even last season, which we all know was bad, by this point we had scored something like 30 goals in the league - horrendously defensive!
ReplyDeleteYou'd think that top quality fans like Jaimie would question your argument that Benitez played negative, defensive football; when you consider the facts. Oh no, of course he wouldn't!
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ReplyDeleteWolvherampton - Liverpool 0-0
Portsmouth - Liverpool 3-0
Wigan - Liverpool 2-1
Sunderland - Liverpool 1-0
Liverpool - Birmingham 2-2
booooooooooring and uninspired Rafa's spectre is still around Anfield!!!!!
Spot on TheJabes!!
Stick with the manager, Liverpool's way!!
expect to be in the same position come january and are best players wanting to leave and who could blame them with the negative,defeatist shit woys serving up at present quite supprised torres aint broke his neck yet with all the route 1 being played
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ReplyDeleteI think you suffer from Benitez mantra and nightmare. I don't even want to raise the issue of Roy Hodgson interviews, which overwhelming majority laughs off or is disgusted with, and you still find one about so called primadonnas that you approve. Or the fact you never wrote any piece about Liverpool triumphant run against Real Madrid and Man United, while being astonishingly quiet about anything about Roy Hodgson tenure raising eyebrows statistics. Or calling the most goal-scoring side of 2008-2009, more prolific than Arsenal Invincibles in 2003-2004 an "over-cautious" one, while you're the only person I know who thinks we went for a win at DW Stadium recently. You try to imply, that "the small section" are Benitez fans and knee-jerkers, still repeating "Pro Benitez cult" issue, while the fact is, and you ignore it, at least 90% of the fanbase wants him out, according to any poll you read. You say TLW and YNWA, not pro Rafa forums, even the other way round, polls are not credible or they don't reflect anything. Going this way we could put into question any poll, electoral ones for instance, or even a questionnare. http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/96838-definative-hodgson-poll.html Here you've got the result. And I'm even able to lower the results in Hodgson favour, let't say 70% (more Scandinavian supporters ironically want him out) wants him out, is that the small section? How did you manage to define a small section? Benitez is your obsession and you still think only Benitez fans want Roy out. I'm not Rafa fan and from day one think Roy isn't up to the job. You said, that last year Anfield wasn't a fortress. We got 43 points, but our away form was abysmal.
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ReplyDeleteAren't you Jamie Kanwar? I work in criminal justice department and gave my very well qualified mate same of Jamie Kanwar stuff. He analysed many many comments published in the site, around 1200 according to his numbers. As far as he's concerned, at least 7 people blindly approving Jamie Kanwar views are Jamie Kanwar himself. He analysed the amount of words, type of words used and typical phrases for Jamie and at least 7 people commenting are Jamie Kanwar himself. I'm not saying you're Jamie Kanwar, but many people know about the embarassing practice on this site (I spoke with Paul Dalglish and he hates this one,too) and therefore even anti Benitez bloggers on TLW think, that's the most embarassing Liverpool website across the Internet.
Comebackking - You are now banned for posting blatant lies about this site.
ReplyDeleteJamie, I've got three questions for you.
ReplyDelete1.Why do you claim, that last season was the worst since sixties? We've finished the worst since 1999, no way the the worst since sixties and still had much more points than in 1999, staying in the race for fourth until pre-last game of the season. Got more points than in 2004 and 2005. And reached semi-finals of the Europa League, being knocked out due to away goals. You usually get facts quite close to the truth, bu totally spin them (that's way Paul Dalglish hates you and I can imagine Kenny Dalglish as big Rafa supporter, that I don't agree with, does as well)
2. How can you think, that last year we played worse than at the moment? You can add exhibition games to Roy overall tally, but it still looks poor. Last year we were 4th in the league in terms of ball possession, 6th most creating side, 6th most goalscoring side, the 4th with the most attempts on goal, the most often hitting the bar of goal posts. Now we're the 14th in terms of ball possession, third lowest goalscoring side and creating less than Stoke only. How is that any better?
3.Why you keep saying everyone "deliberately" twisted Roy away record in English football? I kept faith in what I read and then checked it, true, it was slightly wrong. Unfortunately, you focused on fans "deliberately" twisting the fact, which you can't prove actually instead of Roy away form, which is appaling even for a club of Fulham stature. Benitez away record was also poor, still we were second (third according to some sources) best away side in the history of the Premier League in 2008-2009. Why you think fans "deliberately" lie, I have no idea. Most of them just read the stats and thought they were right. You usually deliberately spin the facts, maybe that's why you think others do so as well?
And as for spinning facts and "deliberately" lying - you wrote that Alberto Aquilani agent Franco Zavaglia put pressure on Benitez and you reckoned they mutual rapport were poor. You didn't check the facts this time, again. In Tutto Sport last season Aquilani agent said their relationship is very good. And this season, when he doesn't have to be shy anymore, he also played down rumours of "so-called" poor rapport between him and Benitez, even stating, that Benitez, which I don't agree with, is a good man for Inter.
So before you accuse anyone of twisting facts, think of yourself. And I won't say you did "deliberately", I won't be that primitive.
Get over yourself kanwar...your beligerence is bordering on the cretinous. NEVER question my loyalty to LFC, but feel free to run a diagnostic check on your capacity for logical thought and reasoned debate. You are SO threatened by any intelligent opposition to your views that you resort to petty name calling and bluster about banning people from your sandbox in lieu of actually addressing the issues. Disappointing and sad.
ReplyDeleteJust answer my questions. Then I'm off for good.
ReplyDeleteRoy Hodgson labels the very fans who are marching to keep Liverpool alive and return us to a competitive position as 'a disturbance'. And the fans who on the whole didn't want him in the first place are traitors for expressing that view?
ReplyDeleteThis is the guy who touted selling Torres to Utd, gave away a £20M creative player because he was 'too good to be on the bench', alienated one of the world's top keepers, one of world football's brightest young prospects in Pacheco, and in what may be a footballing first, advised the England manager not to pick one of his players because he thinks he's rubbish.
A while ago I said that because of the behaviour of our previous owners (owners who YOU supported), this season would be about stabilising and improving morale at Anfield. We needed someone who would be practical, non-confrontational and level-headed. For me Roy Hodgson wouldn't take us forward but at least he wouldn't destroy the club. But now we see potentially world class players like Aquilani moved on for cloggers like Poulsen. Young talent like Pacheco disillusioned, Fulham laugh at getting the best end of the deal for Konchesky when bringing in Salcido, Champions League winners like Rijkaard being publicly disparaged, whole Scandinavian countries being insulted (Sweden and Norway being two countries he never wants to work in again), top players not defended against accusations of diving, protracted chases for players like Carlton Cole, dire performances, popular former managers having legends used as cannon fodder to attack him, losing to our rivals and stating that it was our best performance of the season, I could go on. In 4 months Roy Hodgson has seemingly been on a mission to bring Liverpool down from the inside. And it's been so unneccessary to make such basic errors. I know worry that rather than maintain a season of mediocracy until we are equipped to build back up, Roy will destroy the foundation that we do have and cost us even more to challenge again. All he needed to do is maintain the status quo and I would have respected him. Anything more than that would have been a bonus. Instead he's going the opposite way on and off the pitch. If this situated is not significantly improved by the opening of the transfer window he'll need to go. If Tottenham kept Ramos for more than was necessary they would have been relegated.
Hodgson's past record and style of play does not inspire confidence and there has been scant sign of improvement or change. We didn't want him before he came and we don't want it now. What's the point in waiting if things are just getting worse?
First of all, I couldn't care less if Paul Dalglish 'hates me'. Am I supposed to be upset by that or something?! Let him get on with it.
ReplyDeleteyou wrote that Alberto Aquilani agent Franco Zavaglia put pressure on Benitez and you reckoned they mutual rapport were poor<span></span>
Lies. I wrote no such thing. Ever. If I did, post a link to it. You have me confused with someone else.
Why do you claim, that last season was the worst since sixties?
That's my opinion. I can claim it if I like. Last season was the worst in living memory for a number of reasons:
* Some of the worst performances I've ever seen from a Liverpool side.
* Horrible periods of form including a run of 1 win in 10 games, iwith 7 defeats out 8, and 4 defeats in a row.
* 19 games lost overall for the season.
* Utter failure and early exits in every competition (bar Europa)
* Horrible defensive tactics throughout
* The abject waste of a talented squad
* Failure to win 30 out of 56 games across the season; that's 54% of games without a win.
* Finishing 7th in Benitez's 6 year after having spent 289m on players, the most of any Liverpool manager in history.
And the list goes on. For me, last season was the worst I've ever seen from a Liverpool team.
How can you think, that last year we played worse than at the moment? You can add exhibition games to Roy overall tally, but it still looks poor. Last year we were 4th in the league in terms of ball possession, 6th most creating side, 6th most goalscoring side, the 4th with the most attempts on goal, the most often hitting the bar of goal posts. Now we're the 14th in terms of ball possession, third lowest goalscoring side and creating less than Stoke only. How is that any better? <span></span>
The season is not over yet. if you did the same analysis for Benitez's team last season in November, the stats would be WORSE. You cannot compare stats for a whole season with stats for 3 months of a season.
Performances last season were much worse than season, and for much longer. When Hodgson takes us on a run of 1 win in 10 games (with 7 defeats out 8, including 4 defeats in a row), then you can say that this season's performances are worse.
Why you keep saying everyone "deliberately" twisted Roy away record in English football?
Because they DID deliberately twist the facts. The Daily Mail stated the folllowing:
In his 105 away league games since 1980 with Bristol City, Blackburn, Fulham and Liverpool he has won only 13 times and managed just 35 draws.
LFC fans changed to/retweeted:
Hodgson has been manager for 105 away games in English Football. He has won 13 of those games.
The difference is obvious: the second version makes it sound like Hodgson's entire career in English football in all competitions has only yielded 13 wins.
That is a deliberate attempt to twist the truth. WAKE UP.
You should look up 'exaggerating'...and learn how to spell it....
ReplyDeleteif you did the same analysis for Benitez's team last season in November, the stats would be WORSE.
ReplyDeleteThey wouldn't be because last season after 13 games we had won 2 more games, scored 16 more goals and had 4 more points than we have to date this season. We also sat 4 league positions higher. But don't let stats get in the way of your argument.
Gary, you're so desperate to prove me wrong you're not even reading comments properly. Where in my reply did I - or the original poster - stipulate league games only? Nowhere is the answer. I said:
ReplyDeleteIf you did the same analysis for Benitez's team last season in November, the stats would be WORSE.
i.e. in all competitions from the beginning of the season until November.
Nice try though.
Do not go counting your chickens Jamie a draw with Wigan and a loss to Stoke then see Chelski recently going down 3- 0 at home does not add up to great form.
ReplyDeleteGerard and Torres are likely to miss out against West Ham at Anfield if they drop points here one may assume correctly they are not in contention for a top 4 spot.
This week may also test the depth of the side and lets see if the manager is up to it?
I obviously misunderstood your previous post then.
ReplyDeleteLFC don't need an apologist kanwar....
ReplyDeleteWhat about the lies you posted about what percentage of LFC fans want Hodgson out?
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