Over the last few months, Christian Purslow and Martin Broughton have been the victims of a senseless witch-hunt led by three LFC websites: Spirit of Shankly (SOS), Red and White Kop (RAWK), and Empire of the Kop (EOTK). This concentrated campaign of lies, ridicule and character assassination has had absolutely no foundation in fact, and has been underpinned by breathtaking ignorance, deliberate malice and irretrievable stupidity. It is time for these websites to make a personal and public apology to Purslow and Broughton, who ar - quite literally - saviours of Liverpool FC.
SOS, RAWK and EOTK have spent months casting aspersion on the integrity and motivations of both Purslow and Broughton, painting them as selfish, Machiavellian liars with sinister ulterior motives and no real interest in Liverpool FC. Of course, this has all turned out to be laughably untrue, and it's amazing that anyone with an ounce of intelligence ever believed any of it.
Christian Purslow triumphant after the High Court Victory today
Last week, I highlighted an example of Empire of the Kop's role in this Witch-Hunt. Here are some more examples of how these three sites tried their best to tarnish the reputations of two people who only ever had the best interests of Liverpool FC at heart:
SOS members protesting with a Purslow genitalia banner at Anfield:
EOTK condoning the Purslow banner
EOTK accusing Purslow and Broughton of delaying the sale of the club (!). Based on nothing more than personal malice.
EOTK ridiculing Purslow for having a handing in 'firing' Rafa Benitez
EOTK repeatedly questioning Purslow's integrity (This is just one example)
EOTK suggesting Purslow 'in it for himself' over the sale of the club
SOS campaigning against Purslow
SOS twisting Purslow's words and publishing meeting minutes without consent
I could go on and post a hundred more examples (including many from RAWK), but to be honest, I can't be bothered.
SOS, RAWK and EOTK all need to make immediate and sincere PUBLIC APOLOGIES to Purslow and Broughton, and all LFC fans should call for these websites (and any others that jumped on the bandwagon) to apologise (via comments, tweets, emails etc).
The irony of this whole situation is that if SOS, RAWK and EOTK had got their wish, Liverpool would still be stuck with Hicks and Gillett (!).
instead, Purslow and Broughton (along with Ian Ayre) achieved what many Liverpool fans wanted all along: the end of the Tom Hicks and George Gillett era.
EDIT: To their credit, EOTK has publicly apologised. Bravo.
Jaimie Kanwar
SOS, RAWK and EOTK have spent months casting aspersion on the integrity and motivations of both Purslow and Broughton, painting them as selfish, Machiavellian liars with sinister ulterior motives and no real interest in Liverpool FC. Of course, this has all turned out to be laughably untrue, and it's amazing that anyone with an ounce of intelligence ever believed any of it.
Last week, I highlighted an example of Empire of the Kop's role in this Witch-Hunt. Here are some more examples of how these three sites tried their best to tarnish the reputations of two people who only ever had the best interests of Liverpool FC at heart:
SOS members protesting with a Purslow genitalia banner at Anfield:
EOTK condoning the Purslow banner
EOTK accusing Purslow and Broughton of delaying the sale of the club (!). Based on nothing more than personal malice.
EOTK ridiculing Purslow for having a handing in 'firing' Rafa Benitez
EOTK repeatedly questioning Purslow's integrity (This is just one example)
EOTK suggesting Purslow 'in it for himself' over the sale of the club
SOS campaigning against Purslow
SOS twisting Purslow's words and publishing meeting minutes without consent
I could go on and post a hundred more examples (including many from RAWK), but to be honest, I can't be bothered.
SOS, RAWK and EOTK all need to make immediate and sincere PUBLIC APOLOGIES to Purslow and Broughton, and all LFC fans should call for these websites (and any others that jumped on the bandwagon) to apologise (via comments, tweets, emails etc).
The irony of this whole situation is that if SOS, RAWK and EOTK had got their wish, Liverpool would still be stuck with Hicks and Gillett (!).
instead, Purslow and Broughton (along with Ian Ayre) achieved what many Liverpool fans wanted all along: the end of the Tom Hicks and George Gillett era.
EDIT: To their credit, EOTK has publicly apologised. Bravo.
Jaimie Kanwar
I think you can EOTK has already done so, get off your high horse Jaimie. Enjoy the day that's in it. We got what we were always after, hard work by a lot of people outside of the board did a lot good things to highlight the situation.
ReplyDeleteWith blogs in calling out reporters in the press is a bit over the top even for you. Be rest assured Rory Smith now knows about your blog today so I would expect some sort of a response to your attack on him today.
Please explain how I 'attacked' Rory Smith. Please post the text that shows I attacked him. Stop lying - I asked him to explain how the 144m was accurate. That is not an attack - it is asking for clarification.
ReplyDeleteThey do need to make the apology, absolutely.
ReplyDeleteThe H+G banner with Purslow and Broughton beside them will never be erased from my memory and I will always feel ashamed of it, despite the fact that I never joined that ignorant and awful attack on them.
Yea great idea, get rid of one argument and start another one. All of you grow up ffs.
ReplyDeleteAgree entirely the amount of abuse aimed at them 2 was a joke and THEY have saved our great club from the abyss
ReplyDeleteMassive thanks are due to SOS and all the other supporters who fought to highlight Liverpool's cause tirelessly for years, in the face of determined opposition and contemptable lies from Hicks, Gillett, the Media, and this very site. Thanks lads.
ReplyDeleteFAO RORY SMITH @ The Telegraph: You say H+G loaned LFC £144m. PROVE IT.<span></span>
ReplyDeleteYour headline reads above, I thought it was in terms of Internet speak capitals equates to shouting, which your headline does at Rory being honest. I'm not sure if it is some deep rooted anger you have towards him but you could have being more subtle in asking for clarification as you say. Why not be the bigger man(in terms not using such soundbites like youn said above in your comment stop lying) instead of posting it on your site here that he probably knows nothing of. Tweet him on twitter and ask him even via a direct message instead of calling him out via here.
Makes more sense instead of having a headline in capitals FAO RORY SMITH and PROVE IT. Very confrontational in my opinion.
As you have acknowledged that EOTK have apologised, you need to change your headline Jaimie.
ReplyDeleteYour site is full of Spin and Lies. It is no small part down the actions of SOS et al that this day has come. In a war there will be casualties, make sure you not one of them and your little hate filled arena does not get the same inneffective treatment
ReplyDeleteThe abuse on Broughton was really ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI agree, but there has being an anti-SOS campaign going on this web site for a good while now. So ActualRed opinions won't be swayed here unfortunately. SOS do great work in the community espeically in the Walton Breck area of Liverpool which Jaimie ignores on a regular basis.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
ReplyDeleteThe abuse was a bit much, but the suspicion was fed by the media and here that he was put in charge by H&G when he actually was put into the position by BarCap and RBS.
ReplyDeleteWhich fed the abuse towards him.
ReplyDeleteCapitalising a headling: What an horrific crime. Clearly, I deserve the harshest punishment.
ReplyDeleteI see that you conveniently ignore the fact that slagged of this site unprovoked on his twitter page, which will be seen by thousands of people...
That is why I asked for clarification. I would've ignored it otherwise.
Don't come crying to be about subtlty and 'being the bigger man' - I've never had any contact with Smith before, then all of a sudden he classlessly slags off my site for no reason?
if people act in a civilised, professional manner, there would be no problem. he chose to make it personal, so I chose to highlight how he got a vital peice of information wrong.
If you or anyone else doesn't like it, tough luck.
i have already apologised though i'm not a member of these groups - will you now apologise for being h & gs paid lackie
ReplyDeleteNo. When EOTK remove the many articles they've posted slagging me off, then I might think about changing the headline.
ReplyDeleteSOS and other supporters who fought against this ownership deserve massive thanks from all Liverpool fans for ridding us of these parasites, despite determined opposition and lies from Hicks, Gillett, the Media, this website and others. Here's hoping they continue to question anyone running Liverpool Football Club instead of having blind faith in people who are businessmen first and foremost to do the right thing by us.
ReplyDeleteHasta la victoria siempre
I didn't see his twitter post about your site at all. When did this occur?
ReplyDeleteBoughton was put in charge by H&G Alan, they employed him via the condition of the extended loan deadline from RBS - they wanted an indepedent itermediary and H&G chose to opt for Boughton.
ReplyDeleteRAWK and SOS need to the same as EOTK. congrats martin and christian.
ReplyDeleteYou should have a chat with Antoine then.
ReplyDeleteNo, because I'm not paid by them, nor am I a 'lackie'. I've criticised them more harshly than most, and here is the proof:
ReplyDeleteHere is a selection of quotes criticising H+G from articles on this site:
<span>“In yet another childish display of one-upmanship, Tom Hicks has dragged his rift with Rafael Benitez back into the public domain”
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“Such behaviour is petulant, unprofessional and destabilising in the worst possible way”.
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“Before Hicks arrived in a blaze of glory, the club had gone 115 years without the ignominy of internal strife being splashed across the media”
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“In just ten months associated with the club, Hicks has destroyed this long-standing harmony with key involvement in a very public spat”.
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“Tom Hicks is not fit to run Liverpool FC. He is not deserving of the honour and privilege of owning the club and he is woefully bereft of the personal qualities needed to be an effective leader and ambassador”.
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“Hicks would do well to take a look at Mr Smith’s conduct during his tenure as Chairman and try and learn something about grace, professionalism and humility - concepts of which he clearly has has no understanding”.
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“Consummate clowns Tom Hicks and George Gillette are turning Liverpool FC into the footballing equivalent a three-ring circus, and Hicks’ latest ill-advised public comments are yet more evidence that this particular Texas Cowboy has no idea what being the owner of Liverpool FC means”
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“Hicks has taken a Chainsaw to Liverpool’s exemplary media practices and turned the club into a laughing stock”.
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“Come back, DIC! Buy-out these clowns and give Rick Parry his marching orders whilst you’re at it, so we can all quote John McClane and shout 'Yippee-kai-ay...You know the rest”.
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“Hicks' response shows a dispiriting lack of class and tact. There is NO EXCUSE for making critical public comments”.
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“Public attacks of this nature are not the Liverpool way, and choosing to ‘deal’ with the situation this was hugely amateur mistake on Hicks’ part”.</span>
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Read more: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/05/liverpool-kopcom-and-alleged-tom.html#ixzz12F64i6zg</span>
Yes, clearly I'm paid by them to criticise this harshly.
What you fail to see is that I am balanced: I criticise AND praise. Why? I treat everyone the same, and have no personal allegiance.
Its not what I heard or seen but I would be gladly proved wrong if there was info going on this.,
ReplyDeleteWhy dont you apologise for your defense of Hicks and Broughton throughout the years?
ReplyDeleteNo matter what ever happens at the club you always attempt to sensationalise everything.
Why dont you run an artcile about how it looks like the dark days are coming to an end at the club? That wouldnt be controversial enough to score hits on the site.
Is this not an occasion for all liverpool fans to celebrate not start squabling over who did what. Personally I feel many had the club at heart but saw things differently which is not a reason to start beating these I told you so so drums or claims I was right all along.
ReplyDeleteBeing a Liverpool fan is not about I was Right and u were wrong but more about not walking alone as the anthem goes.
These kinda articles only serve to divide further when the reason for this division is leaving town.
Why cant fans now forgive and forget rather than dwel on the immediate past none of us are proud of.
Time to grow up and put Liverpool football club first not be activist football fans whose sole agenda is to have the last word.
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/10/fao-of-rory-smith-telegraph-you-say-hg.html
ReplyDeleteI got a screenshot of it in the above post.
Why dont you apologise for your defense of Hicks and Gillett throughout the years?
ReplyDeleteNo matter what ever happens at the club you always attempt to sensationalise everything.
Why dont you run an artcile about how it looks like the dark days are coming to an end at the club? That wouldnt be controversial enough to score hits on the site.<span>
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Jaimie there are some of us out there who understand business who picked up on the points you were making. In retrospect one could see as well that the RBS was always going to win this case. If the High Court of this land is about dispensing justice then that's what Liverpool supporters have got.
ReplyDeleteBroughton said publicly that the owners had given written undertakings regarding the sale process, what do people think would happen if those were produced in court.
Tell me this if any of the doubters were Broughton, Purslow or Ayre advising propspective new owners of Liverpool, wouldn't any intelligent person be pointing out where the previous owners went wrong and suggesting ways of running the club for the good of the fans.
If Broughton and Purslow walk away after this, they have enhanced their reputations and won't be short of offers for their services.
Even the talk about administration in the press was nonsense, why would RBS put Liverpool in administration, how would that benefit them?
When the press were claiming the debt was 350M and other outrageous figures you stood alone in saying it wasn't. Good on you!!!
So we should just forget all the abuse now because LFC won the legal case?
ReplyDeleteNo. Unless the people involved accept they were wrong, and are shamed into accepting that, the same thing will happen again in the future.
We don't want that to happen, and it must not happen, which is why it is important to highlight this.
If you can get hold of the initial video from Boughton's first interview after the sale was agreed he says H&G employed him, it's the same video in which he denounces Hicks for "flagrantly abusing" the agreement with RBS.
ReplyDeleteJAimie, please apologise to LFC fans about the supporting articles you and your co-writers have written about Hicks and Gillett. For instance
ReplyDelete07 Jun 2010I totally believe that both of our owners, Mr. Tom Hicks and Mr. George Gillett, are honest people who really want to take LFC a step forward.
REVEALED: How Hicks and Gillett saved Liverpool FC from mediocrity ...26 Oct 2009 <span></span>
i don't think SOS have behaved well at all but it's understandable that they don't trust people after those liers. Sometimes people overreact. You have written stupid things as well.
Just shows, people with no idea of how to manage their own finances shouldn't spend so much concerning themselves with what is happening at executive level. Sometimes deals will go wrong (as happened in our dealings with H&G instance, due in large part to occurences out of their control, but that is neither here nor there), and sometimes everything will just fall into place (as with Abramovich and Chelsea).
ReplyDeleteOne thing can be sure though, is that a rushed big bucks deal is never a good idea for more than one party!
Get off your high horse. Can we have an apology from you for your previous support and brown-nosing of Gillet and Hicks then?
ReplyDeletePurslow, Ayre and Broughton have done what they were ultimately put in place by RBS to do. They have done a superb job of gathering interest in the club using their own sources and contacts and those that were introduced to them by Barcap to achieve what they were tasked to do, whether the former owners liked it or not. The reason they went to Court was because RBS wanted them to after Gillet and Hicks breached the terms of their agreement.
I am delighted with the ruling as every other Liverpool fan is (or certainly should be) and I look forward to a bright future without the fans having to stand up for the club. I think that you can put the accusations by the fan sites down to a frustration that they were being given little or no information and had to make their own minds up, irrespective of how wrong they were. Ultimately, you seem to be seeking an apology for yourself on behalf of those three people which to be honest Jaimie, has nothing to do with you and doesnt need broadcasting. I am sure those fan sites have dialogue with the three men involved and will speak to them about what has happened. The next thing we will hear about is you accusing the new owners of the same that you have accused SoS of because he follows them on twitter.
I go back to what I said at the start, get off your high horse and enjoy the fact that we are no longer having to suffer the incompetence of the two Americans.
purslow sacked rafa and one thing ya can't hide is when ya crippled inside
ReplyDeleteAnyone who can say that you are paid by h+g hasnt read the myriad of posts condemning their approach to lfc yes there have been times when you may have been a bit vociferous in your defence of the way that they did certain things money wise but overall your dislike of them is just as strong as every other lfc fan.
ReplyDeleteNo - the views of other writers are their views, and they're entitled to them. Also, the points raised are valid. if they're not, please pick out the points you disagree with and we can discuss them.
ReplyDeleteThe board sacked Benitez, not Purslow alone.
ReplyDeleteMr Purslow,
ReplyDeleteThank you, apologies and well done! I like the way you and the board "cunningly" ousted TOM HICKS JNR which ultimately tipped the balance of power. Sly Foxes haha!! Would like to make a humble request, sack Roy and appoint a world class manager. As you said, NESV didnt buy LFC to be a medoicre team.
NEVER BETTER SAID. LETS STOP ALL THIS "YOU APPOLOGISE" NONESENSE AND UNITE BEHIND LFC
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No matter what you wrote about Gillet/Hicks in your countless articles jaime, the simple fact is THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THE CLUB.
ReplyDeletePpls dont care if you grade a "C" or "D" for Gillet/Hicks because they still NEED TO GET OUT OF THE CLUB.
So basically you are doing yourself no favour & should expect all this abuses you getting now
I don't know why you bother Jamie, it must seem like you're banging your head against a brick wall sometimes. You must wonder occasionally "Did I really say that", then when you present people with the evidence by posting your quotes, they still argue the toss.
ReplyDeletePosters like Alan Breen would drive me over the edge, you have more patience than me.
Instead of trying to claim how good you are, I suggest you enjoy the moment and try to create a UNITY between Liverpool supporters and move on from their. You're posts are always on the arrogant side which is a pity because you put a lot of research and time in them.
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect Jamie and I do read a lot of your articles even if I don't always agree with the tone and content its still a different view which can be useful at times. You've stated a number of times that you've criticised the owners but of the 11 quotes you have posted above 6 of them were from 1 article written in Dec 2007 and the other 5 were from a further 2 articles written in Nov 2007 and Jan 14 2008.
ReplyDeleteThe point im making is that you've written more articles discussing Hodgeson (5) then owners you claim to want out of Liverpool. Now I realise that H&G are businessmen but have been for a long time suffocating LFC and you being a supporter of the club haven't written one article criticising H&G obfuscating a sales process they agreed to because the price isn't high enough or even their consistent and marked failure to communicate properly with fans over the course of their stewardship.
You know I have read many of your blogs Jamie and although you state that your views are unbias opinions based on researched ''facts'' you really do tend to lean towards the H&G camp in almost all your comments, and pubications.
ReplyDeleteJamie, if you were in fact a REAL liverpool supporter, you would never be so biased against fellow LFC supporters who have different views or opinions to yourself.
You always try to discredit the media, as being ingnorant of the facts, publishing false statements or not being privey to the FACTS, quoting the wrong infomation as being factual so on and so on..
If you were truly a site of unbaised opinion then you would stand in the middle ground respect both sides of each story or view.. But it is clear that you are very much PRO hicks and gillett...and now I guess your blogs will dry up, as you'll have nothing to write about if/once the sale of the club is completed. But may be you site will no longer run since the current owners will not need you so spout the myths of how well our owners ran our club and anything else was just total bullshit...
Can I have an explanation as to why my comment was amended from its original form?
ReplyDeleteThat's not entirely true though is it Jaimie, in an article from November 8th 2009 you said:
ReplyDelete"I personally do not agree that the Owners should be ousted as I believe that the long-term future for the club is looking more encouraging all the time."
So if you're honest you should admit that up until fairly recently you were in support of H&G even when many of the fanbase had turned against them - and rightly so.
<span> Jamie I do read a lot of your articles even if I don't always agree with the tone and content its still a different view which can be useful at times.
ReplyDeleteHowever, you've stated a number of times that you've criticised the owners but of the 11 quotes you have posted above 6 of them were from 1 article written in Dec 2007 and the other 5 quotes were from a further 2 articles written in Nov 2007 and Jan 14 2008.
So essentially you've not written one specific critical article on the owners for at least two years.The point im making is that you've written more articles discussing Hodgeson (5) then the owners you claim to want out of Liverpool. Now I realise that H&G are businessmen but they are businessmen who have for a long time now been suffocating LFC and you being a supporter of the club haven't written one article criticising H&G. For e.g. obfuscating a sales process they agreed to because the price isn't high enough or even their consistent and marked failure to communicate properly with fans over the course of their stewardship.
I appreciate your attitude of being fair and considering all angles etc but you seemed happier criticising Benitez, LFC players, SOS, etc then the two owners a significant majortiy of LFC fans, media, LFC board and now even a british high court judge would appear to believe have been poor stewards of LFC.
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In addition to this, will you be writing an article to apologise for continuing to support H&G in the face of the overwhelming evidence that shows they were damaging our Club?
ReplyDeleteRead the comment policy: no derogatory/sniping comments. Just rgue your points
ReplyDeleteJaime articles and the many accusation of Rafa Benitez in the media = thinking, behavior like of the same ppls :-P
ReplyDelete<span> Jamie I do read a lot of your articles even if I don't always agree with the tone and content its still a different view which can be useful at times. </span>
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However, you've stated a number of times that you've criticised the owners and in one of your responses above you pubslised</span><span> 11 quotes which you argued came from a number of articles where you criticised H&G. The problem is that of the 11 quotes 6 of them were from 1 article written in Dec 2007 and the other 5 quotes were from a further 2 articles written in Nov 2007 and Jan 14 2008. </span>
<span>So essentially you've not written one specific critical article on the owners for at least two years. Which is fine this is your website but given that its suppossed to be dedicated to critical realism of LFC why is this not extended to the owners?</span>
<span>The point im making is that you've written more articles discussing Hodgeson (5) then the owners you claim to want out of Liverpool. Now I realise that H&G are businessmen but they are businessmen who have for a long time now been suffocating LFC and you being a supporter of the club haven't written one article criticising H&G. For e.g. obfuscating a sales process they agreed to because the price isn't high enough or even their consistent and marked failure to communicate properly with fans over the course of their stewardship.
I appreciate your attitude of being fair and considering all angles etc but you seemed happier criticising Benitez, LFC players, SOS, etc then the two owners a significant majortiy of LFC fans, media, LFC board and now even a british high court judge would appear to believe have been poor stewards of LFC. <span>
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OK I for one will apologise to Broughton and Purslow.
ReplyDeleteOne thing though, you could have written this tomorrow :| Today is a day of celebration for god sake
Yup, you have a point there
ReplyDeleteShut it . I was ready to pay you for the last 2 years to write a comparative article on corinthians and livepool. Did you ever do it? No..You always side stepped it. Never explained it. Judas. No apologies for you....
ReplyDeleteA fair point Rob.
ReplyDeleteBroughton and Purslow, at the present moment, are heroes of Liverpool FC who through their actions have saved the club from ruin and disaster, and with this sale hopefully Liverpool will be run the way it should and return to the pinnacle, all that...
ReplyDeleteNow that's how I want to feel about it, but I'm not a moron. I've seen whats happened to this club over the past 3 1/2 years, and while I think its great that Broughton and Purslow found owners who as of now seem to know what the hell they're doing and are willing to take the club forward, we have to remember who these guys are.
Martin Broughton is a businessman, and a very successful one at that. I don't know him, or Christian Purslow, and so I can't speak on their characters or how they actually feel about the club and this whole saga. For a while it seemed like they were spineless puppets, and now they're like the cavalry. I think what they've done has been very positive for the club, but I can't help but remain skeptical about their practices and the way they've gone about everything. Just in terms of what Broughton has personally gotten out of this whole affair, how buddy buddy he may be with certain investors at NESV, and of course whether the new owners are actually going to be true custodians of the club and run it the right way. So basically, let the ink dry on these pages of LFC history and in five years we can look back and truly determine the integrity of Broughton and Purslow's actions and decisions and whether they'll deserve the praise and thanks we're heaping on them.
Yet you fail to answer the other points that were raised. Can you tell me Jaimie, what business do you have in championing the cause of Purslow, Broughton and Ayre to get an apology from the fan sites you have mentioned?
ReplyDeleteSoS may do some great work...but they MUST apologise for tarnishing the reputation of Purslow and Broughton.
ReplyDeleteThe proof is in the pudding - in this case it has been proven that Purslow and Broughton have been very professional and have out foxed the owners who are responsible for most of the problems at LFC
How childish and pedantic!
ReplyDeleteWell, you called Hicks and Gillett honest. And you tried to convince other people to do the same. You were totally wrong and you are not able to admit that. You have nor did you have then any proof whatsoever of their so called honesty.
ReplyDeleteFor instance, there are proofs about Hicks doing the same thing (giving promises he doesn't keep) again and again. I wouldn't call him an honest man.
Hicks bought a succesful football club Corinthias in Brasil in 1999, promised to build a new stadium and keep it succesful. Instead star players were sold, no stadium build, club was relegated and Hicks filed for bankruptcy. Sounds familiar?
This honest man almost did the same to LFC. Why didn't you write about that instead?
Jamie : well done -- but why do you take these so called LFC sites so seriously ? -- everyone knows that a sizeable number of people who write into sites such as EOTK, RAWK (especially) and the SOS people are Manchester United and/or Everton fans. They attack people like Purslow and Broughton who have consistently acted in the club's interests and (this is the real give away) - they support Benitez - the man who nearly brought our beloved club to its knees. Did you know that more than 200,000 Mancs signed the "Benitez Must Stay" campaign on one of their scummy Manc sites last season ? These are the people who appear on RAWK and EOTK and the rest ... Ignore them and call them what they are : Manc supporting scum obsessed with our club ....
ReplyDeleteKop - you conveniently ignore the context of the article, and in what context that comment was made. Please post a link to that article, and then we can discuss the context.
ReplyDeleteApology for myself?! For what, exactly? I want an apology from hypocritical, ignorant fans for Purslow and Broughton. Attacking Purslow and Broughton in such a manner = attacking he club. I am a fan of the club, therefore I feel they should apologise. I don't care whether people think I don't have any 'business' calling for apologies - I don't only speak for myself - I speak for other fans who feel the same as me in this issue.
ReplyDeleteRight, so just because the quotes came from only a few articles it makes them less critical? i get it now. There are countless other quotes dotted around, on this site; on the facebook pages; on twitter etc. I don't have time or the inclination to track them all down. The bottom line is I have vehemently criticised Hicks and Gillett on many occasions. I have also acknowledged their mistakes *many* times.
ReplyDeleteMy crime is actually acknowledging that they have done some good things to 9which they have), and defending them from lies, exaggeration and twisted facts (like I would *anyone* connected with LFC - see Purslow and Broughton as the most recent example).
Strike while the iron's hot, as they say 8-)
ReplyDeleteFair play. I trust them to make the right decision in the board room this evening.
ReplyDeleteThere are too many small minded fans willing to jump on the militant anti everything bandwagon. People have to plan and bide their time with things. Why should these groups have a place on the board. They don't represent me as a season ticket holder.
They didn't attack the club at all, they said some derogatory things about the men in question which perhaps they will apologise for over the course of the next few days. Your comments about speaking for other fans who feel the same, on what authority do you have that? Has any fan ever asked you to seek an apology? Have Broughton, Ayre or Purslow ever asked you to seek an apology for them? You may feel that they should apologise but the manner in which you have gone about it comes across as self-fulling and looking to get a one-up on them.
ReplyDeleteCan we put away all the differences in opinion for 1 day and celebrate the end of Gillet/Hick as a whole for the LOVE OF LIVERPOOL FC
ReplyDeleteAcknowleged their mistakes... in countless other quotes and on FB etc but why not in articles on your own site? is it because as you have stated Hicks is a reader. I'm asking this genuinely because I can't understand how you can be on the wrong side of this.
ReplyDeleteNo-one is disputing that H&G haven't done good for the club but whatever good they have done the fact is the club has stagnated under their stewardship and the debt irrespective of what holding company it sits in has had a detrimental effect on the club in terms of stability and given an accuse to the players to underperform or start eyeing an exit. Given you have dedicated so many articles criticising Benitez et al I am asking you a simple question why haven't you written one article on your own website, not twitter or facebook actually analysing where H&G went wrong. For e.g. Hicks purchase of corithians or Texas Rangers the undermining of the boards attempts to sell the club by trying to sack Purslowe and Ayre. Yes you wrote an article examining the legal implications of the court case but it was hardly a criticism of H*G more setting out both sides of the argument. Are these not topics worthy of debate in a critical way?
P.S. Purslowe and Broughton don't need you to defend them they were brought in to do a job which was to sell the club and this apparently has now (fingers crossed) been done.
<span>Acknowleged their mistakes... in countless other quotes and on FB etc but why not in articles on your own site? is it because as you have stated Hicks is a reader and has on occassion emailed you with insider info? If this is the case and you were trying to hold onto this access then fair enough but i'm asking this genuinely because I can't understand how you can be on the wrong side of this.
ReplyDeleteNo-one is disputing that H&G haven't done good for the club but whatever good they have done the fact is the club has stagnated under their stewardship and the debt irrespective of what holding company it sits in has had a detrimental effect on the club in terms of stability and given an accuse to the players to underperform or start eyeing an exit. </span>
<span>Given you have dedicated so many articles criticising Benitez et al I am asking you a simple question why haven't you written one article on your own website, not twitter or facebook actually analysing where H&G went wrong. For e.g. Hicks purchase of corithians or Texas Rangers the undermining of the boards attempts to sell the club by trying to sack Purslowe and Ayre. Yes you wrote an article examining the legal implications of the court case but it was hardly a criticism of H*G more setting out both sides of the argument. Are these not topics worthy of debate in a critical way? </span>
<span>You state that you defend anyone connected to LFC well why have their been no articles from you defending LFC fans from H&G's machinations over the last two years?
P.S. Purslowe and Broughton don't need you to defend them they were brought in to do a job which was to sell the club and this apparently has now (fingers crossed) been done. <span>
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Apologise to Broughton and Purslow for treating the most successful Liverpool manager of the last two decades with disdain?
ReplyDeleteFor treating SOS with contempt? Broughton for dismissing them altogether, and Purslow attempting to rewrite the minutes of the meeting into a soundbite-stacked press release that completely contradicted the conversation that was actually had.
For continually manipulating the news agenda and keeping - in particular - Purslow's name in black and white every morning?
No. I won't apologise to either of them. I'm delighted with today's result in court, but the pair of them have a lot to answer for, and I sincerely hope that their time at the club is now nearing an end.
Broughton perhaps is excused to a point because he's achieved what he set out to do.
Purslow though is an odious cancer within the club that couldn't be further away from The Liverpool Way if he tried.
<span><span>Acknowleged their mistakes... in countless other quotes and on FB etc but why not in specific articles on your own site where talk honestledly and candidly about H&G's mistakes not just random snipets and quotes or merely implying that H&G should leave the club... is it because as you have stated Hicks is a reader and has on occassion emailed you with insider info? If this is the case and you were trying to hold onto this access then fair enough but i'm asking this genuinely because I can't understand how you can be on the wrong side of this.
ReplyDeleteNo-one is disputing that H&G haven't done good for the club but whatever good they have done the fact is the club has stagnated under their stewardship and the debt irrespective of what holding company it sits in has had a detrimental effect on the club in terms of stability and given an accuse to the players to underperform or start eyeing an exit. </span>
<span>Given you have dedicated so many articles criticising Benitez et al I am asking you a simple question why haven't you written one article on your own website, not twitter or facebook actually analysing where H&G went wrong. For e.g. Hicks purchase of corithians or Texas Rangers the undermining of the boards attempts to sell the club by trying to sack Purslowe and Ayre. Yes you wrote an article examining the legal implications of the court case but it was hardly a criticism of H*G more setting out both sides of the argument. Are these not topics worthy of debate in a critical way? </span>
<span>You state that you defend anyone connected to LFC well why have their been no articles from you defending LFC fans from H&G's machinations over the last two years?
P.S. Purslowe and Broughton don't need you to defend them they were brought in to do a job which was to sell the club and this apparently has now (fingers crossed) been done.</span><span>
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<span><span>Acknowleged H&G's mistakes...but only in countless other quotes scattered across articles and on FB etc but not in any specific articles on your own site where you could talk honestledly and candidly about H&G's mistakes & not just random snipets and quotes or merely implying that H&G should leave the club. I</span></span><span>s it because as you have stated Hicks is a reader and has on occassion emailed you with insider info? If this is the case and you were trying to hold onto this access then fair enough but i'm asking this genuinely because I can't understand how you can be on the wrong side of this. </span>
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No-one is disputing that H&G haven't done good for the club but whatever good they have done the fact is the club has stagnated under their stewardship and the debt irrespective of what holding company it sits in has had a detrimental effect on the club in terms of stability and given an accuse to the players to underperform or start eyeing an exit. </span>
<span>Given you have dedicated so many articles criticising Benitez et al I am asking you a simple question why haven't you written one article on your own website, not twitter or facebook actually analysing where H&G went wrong. For e.g. Hicks purchase of corithians or Texas Rangers the undermining of the boards attempts to sell the club by trying to sack Purslowe and Ayre or even not appointing Martin O'Neil who you wrote numerous articles on and felt was the right man for LFC.</span></span>
<span><span>Yes you wrote an article examining the legal implications of the court case but it was hardly a criticism of H&G more a case of setting out both sides of the argument when clearly H&G were tying to obfuscate a process they had agreed to sell the club in order to get more time from RBS. Are these not topics worthy of debate in a critical way? </span>
<span>You state that you defend anyone connected to LFC well why have their been no articles from you defending LFC fans from H&G's machinations over the last two years?
P.S. Purslowe and Broughton don't need you to defend them they were brought in to do a job which was to sell the club and this apparently has now (fingers crossed) been done.</span><span> </span><span>
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Don't you people have jobs? Jaimie you are like a bad drug, they just keep coming back for more. If you don't like the opinions on this website, don't visit it. They can't get enough. I think today is the reward for all Liverpool fans despite some obvious witch hunt against purslow and broughton. We may not agree with all their decisions, rafa out hodgson in for one, but lesser men could have walked away and not stood up to hicks and gillett. We should be grateful for that and hope this is the start of a new and succesful era.
ReplyDeleteYou show a picture of people carrying banners and say 'members of SOS'. You don't have to be a member of SOS to march, or to get a ticket for the Kop, or to stand outside Anfield and burn an American flag.
ReplyDeleteI'll accept any crititcism of SOS that comes from official quotes from the representatives or from their website but other than that you're just assuming that the protagonists are members. While doing this you're crusading against the press for reporting inaccuraccies over figures etc- play by the same rules you want others to and deal only in facts.
Don't you people have jobs? Jaimie you are like a bad drug, they just keep coming back for more. If you don't like the opinions on this website, don't visit it. They can't get enough. I think today is the reward for all Liverpool fans despite some obvious witch hunt against purslow and broughton. We may not agree with all their decisions, rafa out hodgson in for one, but lesser men could have walked away and not stood up to hicks and gillett. We should be grateful for that and hope this is the start of a new and succesful era.
ReplyDeleteWhy should we? Cults like the SOS wont stop here, they will be the ones who send this club to hell.
ReplyDeleteNext on the witch hunt is Hodgson I am afraid and if NESV decide to keep him as manager cults like SOS can go and cummit suicide for all I care :-D
I don't have to justify myself to you - this site speaks for itself when it comes to a balanced approach to Hicks and Gillett; I'm not wasting any more time on it. You just do not understand my mentality: I believe that everyone deserves to be treatest fairly, not matter what they've done. If someone is on death row for killing 50 people, they should still be treated according to the law; their crimes should not be exaggerated, and lies should not be told about them just because they've committed a crime. The same goes for everything else.
ReplyDeleteIrrespective of Hicks and Gillett's mistakes, they should still be assessed fairly, and if fans lie and exaggerate their mistakes, I will defend them. It has nothing to do with personal allegiance; it's about my personal sense of justice. People might not like that, but that's not my problem.
I criticised Benitez, but I ALSO defended him numerous time; yet people like you will just ignore that.
One final thing: like so many other Liverpool fans, you think you have it all worked out re Hicks and Corinthians; you read a few press reports/forum posts and buy it hook like and sinker. Well, that situation is hugely complex, and it is nothing like the popular myth perpetuated on Liverpool sites.
As much as I loathe RAWK, there are some great posters on there who actually think critically about things. Read this thread, and you will see how wrong you are:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=253280.0
It contains specific facts, but don't let those get in the way of twisting the truth.
So what will you do if Our New Owners who get on very well with Broughton and the rest of the Board, decide to give Broughton a permanent position?
ReplyDeleteWill you then start your s*** all over again? :-D
Thank f*** Benitez will never have the oppertunity to have the experiance of winning the Holy Grail, something Roy Hodgson might just deliver. :-D
firstly have you ever apologise for getting things wrong on your site? have you ever apologised for attacking Benitez for every oppurtunity you had even when it was damaging to Liverpool, for instance when you went on Mnachester United site and told them he is losing his mind for attacking Ferguson.
ReplyDeletehave oyu ever apologised for supporting Hicks and Gillette shamlessly till you realized your lost any reasoning? the answer is NO , because you so arrogant to do so.
I think everybody is enttiled to their opinion. and if those sites which you have becomed obessed to attack in your site had a go at those board members it was because they felt frustrated with the mess that club was in. I am really happy for Liverpool today but we only really find out that the home team has done us a favour when we know what the red osx people will do in relaity for us. so the verdict is open.
Finally why you spend all of your energy to attack liverpool fan clubs. ok, they are different from you but in my opinion they are doing a good job for liverpool. remember that if people always listen to your voice of reason then there would have been no pressure on board members ot make those decisions.
Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me I was simply asking you why you seem unable to write any specific articles questioning H&G when you are able to write so many articles criticising Benitez and others. Whether or not you wrote positive articles is beside the point since you clearly did not rate Benitez nor want him at the club a point you made in an article before he was even appointed LFC manager.
ReplyDeleteI also did not suggest that H&G should not be treated fairly I merely asked you why you could not apply you own standards to them? Today LFC won their court case thanks to Broughton rejecting H&G attempts to fire Purslowe and Ayre and seeking court actions to force a sale through. Rather than writing an article acknowloging this and criticising H&G for blatantly tring to undermine a process they had been forced to put in place by RBS namely an independent CH that would add credibility to the sale process and who could make the final decision on who to sell the club too they attemted to halt the process even if it potentially meant administration for LFC.
Regarding Corinthians I resent your accusations I am not arrogant like H&G (as described by their own bank RBS) nor do I presume to know everything about Corthians or Texas Rangers.
However, the fact is that two businesses that Hicks was involved in (corithians and Texas Rangers) and attempted to run via LBO went bankrupt with Hicks unable to fulfill his commitments and being forced to sell. I looked at the link you provided to RAWK and its simply a poster writing something about Corithians that he got from google there is no bibliography or sources so I cannot check where he got his information from or even if its accurate. So i'm not sure how it can be fact.
shame on you KW, today is the day of celebration and still you cant bring yourself to hide your bitterness to other liverpool fan sites, shame on you.
ReplyDeletefirstly have you ever apologise for getting things wrong on your site? have you ever apologised for attacking Benitez for every oppurtunity you had even when it was damaging to Liverpool, for instance when you went on Mnachester United site and told them he is losing his mind for attacking Ferguson.
have oyu ever apologised for supporting Hicks and Gillette shamlessly till you realized your lost any reasoning? the answer is NO , because you so arrogant to do so.
I think everybody is enttiled to their opinion. and if those sites which you have becomed obessed to attack in your site had a go at those board members it was because they felt frustrated with the mess that club was in. I am really happy for Liverpool today but we only really find out that the home team has done us a favour when we know what the red osx people will do in relaity for us. so the verdict is open.
Finally why you spend all of your energy to attack liverpool fan clubs. ok, they are different from you but in my opinion they are doing a good job for liverpool. remember that if people always listen to your voice of reason then there would have been no pressure on board members ot make those decisions.
shame on your KW
shame on you KW, today is the day of celebration and still you cant bring yourself to hide your bitterness to other liverpool fan sites, shame on you.
ReplyDeletefirstly have you ever apologise for getting things wrong on your site? have you ever apologised for attacking Benitez for every oppurtunity you had even when it was damaging to Liverpool, for instance when you went on Mnachester United site and told them he is losing his mind for attacking Ferguson.
have oyu ever apologised for supporting Hicks and Gillette shamlessly till you realized your lost any reasoning? the answer is NO , because you so arrogant to do so.
I think everybody is enttiled to their opinion. and if those sites which you have becomed obessed to attack in your site had a go at those board members it was because they felt frustrated with the mess that club was in. I am really happy for Liverpool today but we only really find out that the home team has done us a favour when we know what the red osx people will do in relaity for us. so the verdict is open.
Finally why you spend all of your energy to attack liverpool fan clubs. ok, they are different from you but in my opinion they are doing a good job for liverpool. remember that if people always listen to your voice of reason then there would have been no pressure on board members ot make those decisions.
shame on your KW
"remember that if people always listen to your voice of reason then there would have been no pressure on board members ot make those decisions"You are suggesting then listening to cults like SOS put pressure on the Board when obviously the Board didnt want anything to do with cults like SOS?
ReplyDeleteI dont agree with SOS but calling them cult and pointing at them and make them resonsible for the mess in Liverpool is a bit of joke really.
ReplyDeletelet me remind you that wrongly or rightly it was them who organsied all those protest agaisnt Hicks and Gillett and mde the fan aware of their real intention.
we had listened to fans like KW we would have still be with same owners.
and had Klinsman as the manager
shame on you KW, today is the day of celebration and still you cant bring yourself to hide your bitterness to other liverpool fan sites, shame on you.
ReplyDeletefirstly have you ever apologise for getting things wrong on your site? have you ever apologised for attacking Benitez for every oppurtunity you had even when it was damaging to Liverpool, for instance when you went on Mnachester United site and told them he is losing his mind for attacking Ferguson.
have oyu ever apologised for supporting Hicks and Gillette shamlessly till you realized your lost any reasoning? the answer is NO , because you so arrogant to do so.
I think everybody is enttiled to their opinion. and if those sites which you have becomed obessed to attack in your site had a go at those board members it was because they felt frustrated with the mess that club was in. I am really happy for Liverpool today but we only really find out that the home team has done us a favour when we know what the red osx people will do in relaity for us. so the verdict is open.
Finally why you spend all of your energy to attack liverpool fan clubs. ok, they are different from you but in my opinion they are doing a good job for liverpool. remember that if people always listen to your voice of reason then there would have been no pressure on board members ot make those decisions.
shame on your KW
it s strange that so many site who support liverpool have attacked you with no reason and the Manchster United fan site interview you?
ReplyDeletethey are all agaisnt you and you are always right,
why dont you right one article demanding to apologise ot you as well, Mr War
<span>Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me I was simply asking you why you seem unable to write any specific articles questioning H&G when you are able to write so many articles criticising Benitez and others. Whether or not you wrote positive articles about Benitez is beside the point and does not address my question regarding balance on H&G. Furthermore how can three specific critical articles on H&G over 2 yrs ago but nothing since then just quotes here or there or on FB be considered balance? Point out one specific article where you criticise H&G not a quote a whole article.
ReplyDeleteI also did not suggest that H&G should NOT be treated fairly and i acknowledged that they had done some good for the club. BUT again I merely asked you why you could not apply you own critical standards to them? </span>
<span>Today LFC won their court case thanks to Broughton rejecting H&G attempts to fire Purslowe and Ayre and seeking court actions to force a sale through. Rather than writing an article acknowloging this and criticising H&G for blatantly tring to undermine a process they had been forced to put in place by RBS (independent CH that would add credibility to the sale process and who could make the final decision on who to sell the club too) you choose to demand apologies from other websites you argued had questioned the integrity of Purslowe. </span>
<span>Regarding Corinthians I resent your accusations I am not arrogant unlike H&G (as described by their own bank RBS in court) nor do I presume to know everything about Corthians or Texas Rangers. But neither do you so you cannot categorically state that you know exactly what happended.
What is a fact is that two businesses that Hicks was involved in (corithians and Texas Rangers) and attempted to run via LBO went bankrupt with Hicks unable to fulfill his commitments and being forced to sell. I looked at the link you provided to RAWK and its simply a poster writing something about Corithians that he got from google there is no bibliography or sources so I cannot check where he got his information from or even if its accurate. So i'm not sure how it can be fact considered a fact.</span>
this is hostory being re written.
ReplyDeleteI know and you know that you for months last year continously defended Hicks and Gillette and its a suprised that you now finding all evidence saying otherwise.
dont ask me to show those article as I know you have a habit of remving things that amking you look bad
shame on you
Delusion of grander, Roy Hodgson is and never was good enough to be given the Liverpool job. We replaced a world class manager who has the record of winning major titles and replaced him with a manager whose biggest achievement in terms of trophies is a few league titles in Scandinavia.
ReplyDeleteIf we were going to replace a world class manager we should have replaced him with one. Roy is a nice man, in my opinion he is out of his depth at LFC. Had the feeling watching the first half against Arsenal.
Thank god we had a Champions League manager, paid him off to leave and got in an inferior manager. That was a fantastic bit of business....we're 18th league playing the worst football I have seen since the last 2 seasons under Houllier, at least last season the team was organised and knew their job.
His signings have left a lot to be desired espeically Poulsen.
you were the one who called them hypcorite and its looks like the are better man than you to apologise to Purslow, but you show your class once more , by attacking them and now remving it even so you know they have apologised for attacking Purslow becasue you dont like what they say about you.
ReplyDeleteshame on your JK
"You are suggesting then listening to cults like SOS put pressure on the Board when obviously the Board didnt want anything to do with cults like SOS?"Broughton, Purslow, Ian and RBS did the absolute correct thing staying away from CULTS like SOS and the MEDIA BECAUSE if they didn't, H&G would still be here.Do you really think H&G could care less about what SOS and other cults have to say? SOS and other cults and their pitiful protests just made those who follow them even more brainwashed than what they are today. :-D
ReplyDeletePurslow tried to close down a LFC fansite...memories are short.
ReplyDeleteA cult ffs you swear they were part of the WAICO or Jamestown massacres...
ReplyDelete<span><span>Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me I was simply asking you why you seem unable to write any specific articles questioning H&G when you are able to write so many articles criticising Benitez and others. Whether or not you wrote positive articles about Benitez is beside the point and does not address my question regarding balance on H&G. Furthermore how can three specific critical articles on H&G over 2 yrs ago but nothing since then just quotes here or there or on FB be considered balance? Point out one specific article where you criticise H&G not a quote a whole article.
ReplyDeleteI also did not suggest that H&G should NOT be treated fairly and i acknowledged that they had done some good for the club. BUT again I merely asked you why you could not apply you own critical standards to them? </span>
<span>Today LFC won their court case thanks to Broughton rejecting H&G attempts to fire Purslowe and Ayre and seeking court actions to force a sale through. Rather than writing an article acknowloging this and criticising H&G for blatantly tring to undermine a process they had been forced to put in place by RBS (independent CH that would add credibility to the sale process and who could make the final decision on who to sell the club too) you choose to demand apologies from other websites you argued had questioned the integrity of Purslowe. </span>
<span>Regarding Corinthians I resent your accusations I am not arrogant unlike H&G (as described by their own bank RBS in court) nor do I presume to know everything about Corthians or Texas Rangers. But neither do you so you cannot categorically state that you know exactly what happended. </span>
I seem to remember you writing an article a couple of weeks ago accusing Gerrard Pique of slating LFC an article that has now disappeared from the site so i'm relying on my memory here did you have all the facts before you posted that? even though respected journalists like Marcotti were saying it was fabricated.<span>
What is a fact is that two businesses that Hicks was involved in (corithians and Texas Rangers) and attempted to run via LBO went bankrupt with Hicks unable to fulfill his commitments and being forced to sell. I looked at the link you provided to RAWK and its simply a poster writing something about Corithians that he got from google there is no bibliography or sources so I cannot check where he got his information from or even if its accurate. So i'm not sure how it can be fact considered a fact.</span><span>
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Champions Leauge manager who won it with Houlliers players then sold them all bought the crap which Hodgson is being blamed for and WON NOTHING WITH THE TEAM THAT HE BUILT... :-D
ReplyDeletePurslow should be KNIGTED for almost closing down that fansite :-D
ReplyDelete<span><span><span>Jamie,</span></span>
ReplyDelete<span><span>Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me I was simply asking you why you seem unable to write any specific articles questioning H&G when you are able to write so many articles criticising Benitez and others. Furthermore, just because you state that your website took a balanced approach to H&G doesn't make it so and clearly you are seeking to debate on this with the readers of this website otherwise why would you provide a mechanism for comments. </span></span><span><span>Whether or not you wrote positive articles about Benitez is beside the point and does not address my question regarding balance on H&G. Furthermore how can three specific critical articles on H&G over 2 yrs ago but nothing since then just quotes here or there or on FB be considered balance? Point out one specific article where you criticise H&G not a quote a whole article. If you are so confident that your approach has been the correct one why don't you do a poll asking readers whether or not your approach to H&G has been fair and balanced?
I also did not suggest that H&G should NOT be treated fairly and i acknowledged that they had done some good for the club. BUT again I merely asked you why you could not apply you own critical standards to them? </span>
<span>Today LFC won their court case thanks to Broughton rejecting H&G attempts to fire Purslowe and Ayre and seeking court actions to force a sale through. Rather than writing an article acknowloging this and criticising H&G for blatantly tring to undermine a process they had been forced to put in place by RBS (independent CH that would add credibility to the sale process and who could make the final decision on who to sell the club too) you choose to demand apologies from other websites you argued had questioned the integrity of Purslowe. </span>
<span>Regarding Corinthians I resent your accusations I am not arrogant unlike H&G (as described by their own bank RBS in court) nor do I presume to know everything about Corthians or Texas Rangers. But neither do you so you cannot categorically state that you know exactly what happended. </span>
I seem to remember you writing an article a couple of weeks ago accusing Gerrard Pique of slating LFC an article that has now disappeared from the site so i'm relying on my memory here did you have all the facts before you posted that? even though respected journalists like Marcotti were saying it was fabricated.<span>
What is a fact is that two businesses that Hicks was involved in (corithians and Texas Rangers) and attempted to run via LBO went bankrupt with Hicks unable to fulfill his commitments and being forced to sell. I looked at the link you provided to RAWK and its simply a poster writing something about Corithians that he got from google there is no bibliography or sources so I cannot check where he got his information from or even if its accurate. So i'm not sure how it can be fact considered a fact</span></span><span>
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You know, the problem with this blog is that it seems like you spend more time attacking other sites that don't share your point of view you than you do on actually writing about LFC.
ReplyDeleteYour a WUM, so tell me how have we fallen from 2nd place to 7th and now to 17th...hmmm Benitez doesn't pick the team and he had the same enough squad last season and manage to underachieve with the same enough squad as Hodgson has now bar Macscherano and Aquilani.
ReplyDeleteHodgson should be blamed for whats going on the field this season like Rafa was last season. It can't be one rule for one and one for another. Our team has gone from an organised one to a shabbles in 5 months explain that.
<span><span><span>Jamie,</span></span>
ReplyDelete<span><span>Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me I was simply asking you why you seem unable to write any specific articles questioning H&G when you are able to write so many articles criticising Benitez and others. Furthermore, just because you state that your website took a balanced approach to H&G doesn't make it so and clearly you are seeking to debate on this with the readers of this website otherwise why would you provide a mechanism for comments. </span></span><span><span>Whether or not you wrote positive articles about Benitez is beside the point and does not address my question regarding balance on H&G. Furthermore how can three specific critical articles on H&G over 2 yrs ago but nothing since then just quotes here or there or on FB be considered balance? Point out one specific article where you criticise H&G not a quote a whole article. If you are so confident that your approach has been the correct one why don't you do a poll asking readers whether or not your approach to H&G has been fair and balanced?
I also did not suggest that H&G should NOT be treated fairly and i acknowledged that they had done some good for the club. BUT again I merely asked you why you could not apply you own critical standards to them? </span>
<span>Today LFC won their court case thanks to Broughton rejecting H&G attempts to fire Purslowe and Ayre and seeking court actions to force a sale through. Rather than writing an article acknowloging this and criticising H&G for blatantly tring to undermine a process they had been forced to put in place by RBS (independent CH that would add credibility to the sale process and who could make the final decision on who to sell the club too) you choose to demand apologies from other websites you argued had questioned the integrity of Purslowe. </span>
<span>Regarding Corinthians I resent your accusations I am not arrogant unlike H&G (as described by their own bank RBS in court) nor do I presume to know everything about Corthians or Texas Rangers. But neither do you so you cannot categorically state that you know exactly what happended. </span>
I seem to remember you writing an article a couple of weeks ago accusing Gerrard Pique of slating LFC an article that has now disappeared from the site so i'm relying on my memory here did you have all the facts before you posted that? even though respected journalists like Marcotti were saying it was fabricated.<span>
What is a fact is that two businesses that Hicks was involved in (corithians and Texas Rangers) and attempted to run via LBO went bankrupt with Hicks unable to fulfill his commitments and being forced to sell. I looked at the link you provided to RAWK and its simply a poster writing something about Corithians that he got from google there is no bibliography or sources so I cannot check where he got his information from or even if its accurate. So i'm not sure how it can be fact considered a fact</span></span><span> </span><span>
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Jaimie, there is one question I need to ask. Whats the situation with your and Duncan Oldham? Very glowing comments from the con artist on twitter in relation to yourself.<span>
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Which site was it? First time I have heard of such things. :-D
ReplyDeleteYou can add anfieldroad.com to your list there James. Jim Boardman didn't cover himself with glory either. His smears in respect of Purslow looked personal.
ReplyDeleteExactly 5 months, fortunately Roy is going to have a chance to get rid of some more DEAD WOOD which Afar left behind and have the oppertunity to spend some real money and will have an oppertunity then to deliver the Holy Grail which Benitez never did and will never have the oppertunity to do either. :-D
ReplyDeleteRory's jornalistict career is now over as he seemed incapable of writing anything other than doom & gloom stories against out club.
ReplyDeleteIts not funny, SOS are not a cult.
ReplyDeletejamie all your critical comments were directed at hick's - what about gillett it was him i was mainly thinking of not hicks, now he's out of the picture one comment isnt exactly proof.
ReplyDeleteWell the money he spent so far specifically on Poulsen, almost 5 million went on him. So he is having the opportunity to spend it but when you have a better player already there in the same position there was no point signing him. I am referring to Lucas here who is a better player pound for pound than Poulsen.
ReplyDeleteit was either an independet board or the loan would not be extended.
ReplyDeleteNice try. I can't stop someone else writing stuff about me, can I? There is no 'situation'.
ReplyDeleteOf course, you're right. About 6 of the 500+ plus posts on this site are 'attacking' other sites, clearly a disproportionately h'igh amount.
ReplyDeleteAs long as other sites continue to attack me, I will respond.
SOS exhibits the characteristics of a cult:
ReplyDeleteInternal controlExternal controlWisdom or knowledge claimed by leadersWisdom or knowledge credited to leadersDogmaRecruitingCensorshipIsolationDropout controlViolenceParanoiaGrimnessSurrender of willHypocrisy
Ergo it can be considered a cult IMO.
SOS exhibits the characteristics of a cult, so it can fairly be called a cult IMO. i.e.
ReplyDeleteInternal control, External control, Wisdom or knowledge claimed by leaders, Wisdom or knowledge credited to leaders, Dogma, Recruiting, Front groups, Wealth, Sexual manipulation, Sexual favoritism, Censorship, Isolation, Dropout control, Violence, Paranoia, Surrender of will, Hypocrisy, brainwashed followers etc
Cults are not exclusively associated with mass murder.
Oh, and if you make blatantly snide insinuations about me and Koptalk again (i.e trying to suggest there is some kind of association because you know lots of fans dislike Koptalk) I will ban you.
ReplyDeletePoulsen is a temp, when Roy has the chance to spend 20mil and it is on a limp italian then start making your judgements tah he is wasting money. :-D
ReplyDeletePoulsen is a temp, when Roy has the chance to spend 20mil and it is on a limp italian then start making your judgements and then only tell him that he is wasting money. :-D
ReplyDeleteAlan - where is your proof that Purslow tried to close down a fansite?
ReplyDeleteDon't you people have jobs? Jaimie you are like a bad drug, they just keep coming back for more. If you don't like the opinions on this website, don't visit it. They can't get enough. I think today is the reward for all Liverpool fans despite some obvious witch hunt against purslow and broughton. We may not agree with all their decisions, rafa out hodgson in for one, but lesser men could have walked away and not stood up to hicks and gillett. We should be grateful for that and hope this is the start of a new and succesful era.
ReplyDeleteNow that all three HICKS-GILLET-AFAR are gone, this club will finally move forward and return back to former glory...
ReplyDeleteIt is time for all the naysayers to shut up and take notice of how things have changed for the betterment (not this season) but to the FUTURE! :-D
Puslow did meet with SOS...
ReplyDeleteAnd what did Purslow say to them?
ReplyDeleteso its only gillett who payed you ? jamie
ReplyDeleteJaimie
ReplyDeleteI forgot to add, great photo of Purslow!!!
I can bet he is more than just over the moon about the Board's & RBS's out of this world achievements but I am sure that was also a BIG SHUT THE F*** UP to SOS and others...
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jamie, form the minute your blog started, the agenda was to rubbish and oppose rafa benitez, at this time hicks was backing benitez and gillett was his enemy so i'm not surprised that you criticised hick's when it did not affect your paymaster george gillett. as soon as benitez went your blog stopped, since gilltte became an irrelevance you feel free to be a bit less defensive, funny thing jamie is when alan myers is live on sky your blog stops.
ReplyDeleteHi Jamie. Having read guite a few of your articles on LFC's finances, I still have a couple of questions.
ReplyDelete1. Acc. to the club's latest accounts the interest paid by the club to G&H (Kop Holdings) was only 10m pa. However, Mr Broughton has today repeated that the LBO and its debt payments were damaging the club, surely implying that the debt payments were much higher than 10m. Which is true?
2. You have stated that you did want G&H to sell the club on; however acc. to the accounts you've reproduced they have put at least 60m-120m in to the club sine 2007 - as much if not more than the amount loaned to Villa by Randy Lerner (and no one is calling for his head on a stick!)
So can you tell us why you think they still needed to go?
I'm not sure why that matters. The fact that he met with them surely throws doubt on your assertion that "obviously the board didn't want anything to do with cults like SOS"
ReplyDeleteAt least one member of the board clearly did want something to do with them. He met with them.
purslow should get knighted for getting rid of benitez, hicks and gillette.
ReplyDelete7 games gone and we want to get rid of hodgson. give him half a chance.
you must remember the dross he was left with that finished 7th.
Also giving mascherano permission to go at the end of last season instead
of taking the 30 million that barca offered at the time.
Oh - and one more thing. Where has that 60-120m gone? On players - transfers and salaries? if so, what of the 100m made from the Champions League 2005-2009: where has that gone? It can't all have gone on players/salaries. I just can't square the financial circle!
ReplyDeleteWhat?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say that EOTK is populated by Mancs. On the whole it tends to be people making a lot of purely emotional responses to overwhelmingly emotionally written articles. You don't get in depth articles or enlightening discussion on EOTK, just as you don't come to this site to hear Jaimie talk about crying when YNWA came on the radio.
ReplyDeleteMancs will crop up everywhere but on the whole I think you're seeing LFC fans on EOTK. Still doesn't excuse some of the downright awful writers that contribute to the site.
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Just one thing I need to add to this discussion that I feel is sorely missing.... For the past 5 months all that I have read on this site is that YOU are right and everyone is wrong.
ReplyDeleteYes, you was correct in this case about Broughton and Purslow...and are within your right to ctriticse the aforementioned sites about it, but please show a bit of class by not beinhg smug about it. At the time when they was appointed, obviously fans were going to be a little bit cynical about their selection, and we were going to be unsure about who's side they were on, and due to the fact that they tried to be removed by H and G shows that they wanted someone to sing from their songsheet!
I'm glad that there is an alternative view out there, but please try NOT to be smug!
Just one thing I need to add to this discussion that I feel is sorely missing.... For the past 5 months all that I have read on this site is that YOU are right and everyone is wrong.
ReplyDeleteYes, you was correct in this case about Broughton and Purslow...and are within your right to ctriticse the aforementioned sites about it, but please show a bit of class by not beinhg smug about it. At the time when they was appointed, obviously fans were going to be a little bit cynical about their selection, and we were going to be unsure about who's side they were on, and due to the fact that they tried to be removed by H and G shows that they wanted someone to sing from their songsheet!
I'm glad that there is an alternative view out there, but please try NOT to be smug!
Rafa was and still is a great manager!
ReplyDeletethe best Liverpool had in the modern era...
in fact he is the modern era football coach(new generation)
Rafa as acoach is higher than even Ferguson or Wenger.
Both Ferguson and Wenger will not suceed as much if outside their element at MU & Gunner
Right now only Jose is bit better than RAFA...
But RAFA is Jose Kryptonite!
Jose is the Federer...
Rafa is the Nadal!
Ferguson/wenger r Sampras n aggassi
It was stupid to sack Rafa... and yes Purslow and H&G is to blame.
Rafa should have at least be given another 6 month to be judge!
We would not be in this position... no3 from below?
Sorry to say this Hodgson and Danglish are outdate British Manager...
they still prefer to play an old variance 4-4-2.
You just cant play 442 like that..
if you are going to play a 442 it must be at least a diamond formation with 3 central mid and no wingers.
Hodgson is so naive playing kyut as central striker is a failure.... it is only for emergency..
Rafa already tried it Kyut is simply to slow and not technical enough to get away with it.
To play as a central striker you need long ball ang high cross but that too will not work cos hi is not extremely big, powerful or tall and he is not great finisher too..
His best is the left/right advance midfield role....and he is better thn most outdated winger.
If Rafa was here both Manu and Arsenal was threr for the taking...
Monster Masc when at his best will always murder Arsenal mid....
Now with Masc gone Arsenal will be Liverpool cryptonite. We could have nick it at 1-0
Man City....Rafa might win,lose or draw this even without Masc... again plaiyng that stupid 442..
Man U was the ultimate disaster....they were there for the picking...
First Rafa is about control than counter.... that is why you play the modern 4-2-3-1
He always love Central and Def midfield
Second with Queiroz Man U play a 4-3-3 variation. or 4-5-1 at the highest level
Now with Fergie in charge he is slowly changing them to what he know best 4-4-2 or the slighty updated 4-4-1-1.
Third Man u was starting with Musium player Giggs and Scholes.
to make matter worst they was playing with double out and out winger in giggs and Nani...
How ancients is that Brazil 1958/1962? with scholes at the center!
So what did Hodgson do to counter this with.... another outdated version of 4-4-2 this time without... this is more of an england and houllier kind of setup..
it is more direct but can only be effective with a more defensive approach..
Man U had a musium player in schole as central midf and gigss in wing...
to make them old...first you must control the situation...
Rafa usually outplay and out control Ferguson(with out queroz) even if they fail to win.
if that cannot be achieve than the 5 midf must press...systematicly..
then the wingers dies naturally.. he can only make speculative...cross/long ball or run blindly to blind alley with or with out the ball...
to make it worst the winger will rarely touch the ball...
and when in counter he is further from goal becos he is out wide a need huge/phenominal pace which can be counter with an athelitic defender
with scholes at the center instead of a proper midf you control he can make anyh passes...
that is why Rafa plays 2 central midf.... not just for the sake of it..
Futhermor a player like kyut who play at the advance right midf.... will both kill 2 player..
he will pin and overpower evra down lefback....and make the winger Giggs old by chasing shadow.
Milan should play left as he is fast enough to neutralize Nani whil strong enoug for O shea...Joe cole is too weak for this game at the left Midf..
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Hmmm! Purlsow, Broughton et-al have screwed up again and sold us down the river. Jaime, you're brilliant at predicting the complete opposite of reality. We're now owned by a Hedge fund in America who want nothing else but to sell us for a massive profit to the biggest bidder, not the best buyer. Hope you are happy.
ReplyDeletePlease expand on your opinions - right now they constitute typical scaremongering and unfounded assertions.
ReplyDeleteA message to "Me"! I personally wouldn't expand on your opinions! If Jaimie dosn't like your retort your post will be "mysteriously" missing. As i found out today after I constructivley critiqued his style of "Reporting" last night!!!!
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why it was deleted......very sad indeed. I bet this post will be deleted too!!!
no allegiance ! ha ha ha
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