28 May 2015

BR to blame? 'Sensational' Liverpool star suffers same injury that destroyed Owen/Torres

The season may be over, but Liverpool's injury curse continues, and rather worryingly, it's 'sensational' (Rodgers' hyperbole) attacker Jordon Ibe who is back on the sidelines after suffering his second major injury of the year.

According to The Guardian this week:

"Ibe has been forced to withdraw from the England Under-20 squad for this summer’s Toulon Tournament because of a recurring knee injury"

Earlier in the year, Ibe spent two months out with a lateral collateral ligament (LCL) damage to his knee, and the fact he's suffered a 'recurrence' suggests (IMO) that he wasn't given enough recovery time.

At the time of his injury, I argued that Brendan Rodgers had overplayed Ibe, and his appearance stats add weight to that contention:

* 7th to 26th February: Started five games in a row (one game every 3.8 days)

* 19th to 26th of February: Started 3 games in a row (one game ever 2.3 days)

Clearly, Ibe didn't have enough recovery time between games. One game every 3.8 days is a lot for a 19-year old who'd never played in the Premier League before, and that may have contributed to his injury.

According to Physio Adviser, LCL injuries can take up to 8-weeks to properly heal, but:

* Ibe returned to action after only 6.5 weeks, then quickly started three games in a week (25 April-2 May).

* Considering his earlier injury - and his prior exertions at Derby County - this was irresponsible in the extreme.

* Now, Ibe has suffered the same injury again, so there's obviously a link between Rodgers rushing him back/overplaying him, and the recurrence of the LCL issue.

Rodgers recently claimed that Liverpool 'missed' Ibe during his spell on the sidelines, and if that's what he genuinely believes, then it explains why he rushed Ibe back the first time.



In short, Rodgers is arguably to blame for this issue. In my view, it's negligent (and unnecessary) to overplay a developing 19-year old after spending close to £120m in the summer.

After that financial outlay, Liverpool shouldn't need to rely on an untested 19-year old, and the fact that Rodgers placed such important on Ibe simply underlines (yet again) his lamentable performance in the transfer market.

I just hope this isn't the start of a long series of niggling injuries for Ibe. Knee issues are a real pain, especially for speedy players. Just ask Michael Owen, or Fernando Torres...

Author: Jaimie K



76 comments:

  1. Utter rubbish, he started games , but didn't play full games. Look at how much he played for Derby.

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  2. Knee injuries muck up your entire body's balance and strength. In some cases you have to learn to walk again because you lose your natural gait. Not good for Ibe. The club needs to be way more conservative when deciding when players can return to playing. Sturridge, Yesil, Enrique, Sakho, Lucas, Gerrard, Torres have all had recurrences. Might be affirming the consequent but there's a suggestion of negligence.

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  3. Being someone who has suffered an ACL tear, it doesn't really matter how long you leave it, you will always be more vulnerable to injury, as it will never be as strong as it used to be.
    Let's just hope he can recover properly and it doesn't impact on his career to much.

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  4. Good old Metro -- First again followed by Daily Star - between them I make it that we will soon be signing 547 players next month Hang on hang on Make that 548 and counting

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  5. Metro also reporting that Klopp will ditch sabbatical plans and join us...

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  6. Reports that Spurs have bid for Ings, but he prefers us.

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  7. So he's going to Spurs then.

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  8. I will be so disappointed if B.R is not given the sack,he's ruining Liverpool and it hurts to see it go on anymore.Klopp or Ancelotti would make Liverpool a power again,if only FSG had a similar idea.

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  9. That's great we will have a squad of over 550 players and 4 or 5 new managers

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  10. Well, after the resounding success of our transfer committee, maybe we're looking to put together a management committee...?

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  11. Yeah worrying. My boy has just had an op on his right cruciate ;-(

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  12. "...he's ruining Liverpool and it hurts to see it go on..."

    My thoughts exactly.


    I worry that no-one higher up at the club is able to discern the fact that BR is a blowhard, BS artist, who talked his way into the job on the back of his 180 page dossier on death by football, and has proceeded to make it up as he goes along, trying any and every new strategy/formation along the way in the hope that he stumbles across a winning formula.


    His tactical incompetency and embarrassing foot-in-mouth disease give me no confidence that he knows what he's doing.



    LFC deserve better than this, but hey ho, that's on FSG, now.

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  13. Best wishes for a speedy, 100% recovery for him : )

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  14. Chelsea destroyed Torres

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  15. cheers 12 week recovery 4 weeks in

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  16. I couldn't agree more we've got the best. Chance to get a proven manager in klopp or Ancelotti but I'm worried that fsg will be taken in by Rodgers bullshit and keep and give him another chance.
    Please please fsg get rid asap

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  17. Anyone know how Konoplyanka went in the final id really like to see us get him.

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  18. People underestimate the impact injuries can have on players even when they've 'recovered'.
    On Boxing Day last year, I broke 2 ribs and detached my intercostal muscles. It was horrendous and took months to heal. It no longer hurts and I'm sure I could play football but I'd definitely be favouring my right hand side and I think I'd think twice about clattering into people.
    Same think happens with footballers. Torres and Owen either lost a yard of pace or just didn't trust their bodies to run flat out anymore. I'm worried Sturridge will go the same way

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  19. How old is he?

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  20. Oh no :-( All the best for his recovery. That's a painful one.

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  21. Jeepers. That sounds awful. Glad you've mostly recovered!

    Yeah so true Jock. It makes one ultra-conscious of one's body in a way you weren't before. I had the same with my knee (ACL). Didn't finish my rehab for all sorts of reasons at the time, and just recently got back into it. Now on a good day I can still run at a fair lick but it's just terrifying, and it just feels safer to walk on eggshells all day.

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  22. Indeed. That's why it's worrying for Ibe having a recurring knee injury so young

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  23. The coach would not have acted on anything other than the advice of the medical team. Knee injuries are very complex. Clearly Ibe with his build and explosive movement is going to struggle with his joints until he's fully grown. I don't think that can be pinned on anyone other than the DNA committee.

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  24. Ouch! Thoughtful post, Jock.

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  25. Thanks bud

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  26. I don't think brendan Rogers should be blamed for everything but then on the other hand everything bad at lfc is his fault,so ya,blame away jaimie!

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  27. If FSG don't let us buy 548 players they should go and let someone buy us that will....

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  28. Ancelotti DoF, Klopp Manager, BR coach.

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  29. Sounds familiar

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  30. Surely if there are any concerns the medical staff and the player himself need to stand up and alert the club.
    I would not put this on the manager until the medical staff were questioned i would suggest its likely their fault if anybodies.

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  31. You weren't meant to take Boxing Day literally.

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  32. Spending £120m and rellying on a 19-year old still fresh from injury is Rodgers giving his own signings a NO vote. Why should a manager have to rely on a kid when he bought Borini £11m, Balottelli £16m and Aspas £7m to supposedly do the job truth is they can't and who's to blame? Rodgers and FSG there is no getting away from it, Bony £12m (Swansea) Benteke £10m (Aston VIlla) Charlie Austin £4m (QPR) and still we have £8m to spare.....They say hindsights a wonderful thing but at the rate Rodgers gets it wrong with signings £210m+ later hindsight goes out of the window and just ignorance and stupidity is making the decisions from the board to the manager.... Rodger The Dodger and the Hovel of Half-Witts that run the club need to get a manager in who has more experience and has spent wisely and change the transfer policy as well.

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  33. BRING IN CARLO, BRING IN CLASS.
    SACK BR, WHO IS A DISGRACE TO FOOTBALL AND MORE SO TO LIVERPOOL FC!
    SACK BR!

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  34. just read a article that Carlo may come, I just want it to be true. SACK SACK SACK BR, PLEASE FSG!

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  35. If Ancelotti and Klopp are available and want to manage LFC then to me it's a no-brainer.


    BR loves to play freshly recovered players, look at Sturridge as an example.


    No sports science whatsoever.

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  36. Please stop making me picture BR's sack.

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  37. He is 3 now (the picture needs updating) still quite young though

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  38. You're forgetting Rafa

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  39. Hey, we already have a transfer committee, why not a managerial committee?

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  40. Just seen again the picture of King Kenny walking with his head down past a stern-looking John W. Henry after losing the FA Cup final. I disagreed with the King's tactics, transfers, Suarez t-shirts and many of his interactions with the media, but man, that image is just wrong. This man is an absolute legend, and that somebody with zero affection for the club can wield that much power just doesn't sit well with me. I know that's the way of the world, but surely money doesn't have to rule indefinitely.

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  41. Interesting read on the topic, if Jaimie will accept the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/sports/soccer/for-theo-walcott-too-much-speed-to-burn.html?_r=0

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  42. ...I'm still trying to find the rhythm in your song there bro...


    ..I'm walking round the house clicking my fingers to find the beat and its all amiss....:)

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  43. This self proclaimed manager of managers and genius named BR is so far ahead of LFC that players simply can not understand his ideas , so we need managers of present era such as Klop, Rafa, who players can relate to, understand their methods and implement them in their play.

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  44. Tough dude! A young Ali (see what I did there)

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  45. Stan Dinaround2:35 pm, May 28, 2015

    Dig Dig Dig, what else can we find to throw in Brendans face.....

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  46. Stan Dinaround2:37 pm, May 28, 2015

    Does your boy like Pedigree Chum by chance...?

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  47. Jt Trenton_Red2:40 pm, May 28, 2015

    I generally watched the final, while on laptop. Was actually an exciting final. A real nice game. Dinipro came up short 3-2 and it was Dinipro who scored the first goal. Was a beauty also. But Sevilla's Carlos Bacca the forward was lethal. We need that player.
    Kono had a great chance in the game a one point with a cut in from the left onto his right and whipped in a curling shot to the far post. The shot was beautiful and was surprised the keeper was equal to the effort. He reminds me of Robben, but right footed, although Robben is more so one footed, where Kono will use his weaker left for crossing.
    I would love to see him at pool now that Dnipro didn't win therefore providing instant entry to CL.

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  48. Totally agree. I posted about the FA Cup incident at the time, and criticised Henry for failing to shake Kenny's hands. No excuse.

    http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/05/end-is-nigh-john-w-henry-in-kenny.html

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  49. Stan Dinaround2:41 pm, May 28, 2015

    John Henry didn't dare read that dossier, I love football, and I wouldn't read it....

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  50. Stan Dinaround2:43 pm, May 28, 2015

    And Aspas.

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  51. Stan Dinaround2:44 pm, May 28, 2015

    No, Benitez destroyed Torres... and they knew it, so much so, that they openly admitted they expected Torres to fail his Chelsea medical... Lucky for them, the late hour of the deal meant it was rushed, and the problem missed...

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  52. Stan Dinaround2:46 pm, May 28, 2015

    I missed the first half, typical... but his second half was quietish...All the fotball happened in the first half...

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  53. And then Karma bit us in the arse when we signed Caroll to replace him. Makes sense.

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  54. Bring back Darren Burgess and the rest of the Aussie sports scientists.

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  55. Stan Dinaround2:51 pm, May 28, 2015

    Haha! sounds about right...

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  56. The only good thing is that in years to come people who follow LFC will still remember KK as a legend but JH will be an obscure quiz question at best

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  57. I blame BR (oh and Johnson)

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  58. I'd crawl on my belly across broken glass with my flies unzipped to get my hands on that dossier!

    I just want to see what percentage of it is pure, unadulterated BS, the kind he spews every time he's front of a mic or camera.

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  59. Must be a nightmare trying to stop him charging about

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  60. Sounds like a winning trio

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  61. That does cheer me up!

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  62. Yup; that's the pic. Nice article. Pretty disgraceful from Henry to be honest. No excuse.

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  63. Every single sentence is well structured, with the words used being the best ones for the job. It's a bumpy ride of a read, with a good dynamic; begins with importantly, mentions the Messiah a lot in the middle and ends with outstanding.
    I would describe it as extremely well polished.

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  64. Pitch not been the best.

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  65. Good read and makes a lot of sense, trouble is, like a lot of aspects of the game, no club will want to make the first move by - in this case - not fully utilising young pacey players until they are ready.
    Will always be another club (probably Chelski) who'd be more than happy to use those attributes for a few seasons and then discard the player when injuries set in.

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  66. Stan Dinaround8:01 pm, May 28, 2015

    Building work around Anfield disrupting players mental build up to games...

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  67. As others have mentioned, although Brendan picks the team I assume he does so after consulting with the Clubs numerous medical staff.
    Seems unfair to lay the Brendan boot in again, especially as when Ibe re-joined us from his loan spell, you were adamant that if he didn't play him enough you would be really quite angry about it.
    Who should decide when a player has played too much or too little, or when he is fit enough to return from an injury, the highly qualified and highly paid medical staff IMO.

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  68. Stan Dinaround9:39 pm, May 28, 2015

    Someone switched them damn envelopes....

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  69. Johnson should be sold and people that don't know what's going on at the club should stop posting

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