15 May 2015

Better than Neymar: Liverpool want exciting €30m goal-machine hailed as 'best player of the Americas'

In January, Liverpool were linked with a move for Sevilla star Carlos Bacca, and with the Reds still reportedly interested in pursuing a deal, it appears that the Colombian is warming to the idea of moving to the Premier League.

n April, Bacca admitted that he'd leave Sevilla if the club decided to 'cash-in', and when specifically asked this week about transfer interest from Liverpool and Tottenham, Bacca told reporters:

“It fills me with joy that they [Spurs/Liverpool] comment about me, or I read that I am going to one team or to another. I want to finish the season as best as possible, and I leave everything in the hands of God.”

Some info about 28-year old Bacca:

* Contract expires: 2018

* Buyout Clause: €30m

* Right-footed striker.

* 7 goals in 17 apps for Colombia.

* 2013: Belgian League's 'Player of the Year'

* 2014: Named 'Best Signing of the year' by Marca.

* 2014: Beat Neymar to LFP Award for 'Best Player of the Americas'.

* 2014: Europa League winner with Sevilla.

Stats:

* Sevilla Total: 46 goals/21 assists in 105 apps (Goal assist every 1.5 games).

* This Season: 25 goals/9 assists in 53 appearances (Goal/Assist every 1.5 games)

* Passing accuracy: 67%

Bacca is in his prime right now, and he's grabbed 20+ goals in 5 of the last 7 season, including the last three years, so he basically guarantees a consistent supply of goals.

Additionally, like Luis Suarez, Bacca is a tough, robust player, and in the last ten years, he's suffered only one minor injury (muscle strain), which is very impressive.



Like so many other players, though, the Colombian has his heart set on a move to Barcelona, and he confirmed: this earlier in the season:

"It would be a dream to be at a club as big as Barca, but one always has to live in reality. I'm with Sevilla, where I'm very happy and have a contract. What happens next is whatever God wills."

Bacca is 29 this year, so he's only got another couple of years at the highest level. As such, FSG may consider it too much of a risk to spend big bucks on a player with minimal future sell-on value..

Worth pursuing?


Author: Jaimie K



220 comments:

  1. If we are going to spend that much I would prefer him to be younger or more proven

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  2. He is good but its a 50-50. He may adapt quickly to EPL like Negredo or never like Soldado.

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  3. By this concept of the sell-on value of players FSG clearly indicates their desire to be a selling club.

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  4. Too good. LFC will not buy him.

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  5. Is this the same LFC spy who covered himself in glory last summe?? Suprise suprise the great Luis Alberto will not be required by Malage and will be sent back to Anfield as soon as humanly possible

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  6. It does appear that way.

    We're the 8th richest club in the world, yet FSG appear more interested in cutting costs and saving money than providing the financial resources for success..

    It breaks my heart.

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  7. Being labelled a selling club is certainly a big compliment for LFC right now, assuming we are a talking about a 'successful' selling club with buy-low-sell-high being its motto. Southampton is a very good example for illustration. Given our set of scouts, negotiator, uniquely LFC's transfer committee and the manager, we are at best a 'wannabe' selling club. Try selling Markovic, Lallana, Lovren and Balotelli now and we will see.

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  8. I would love to say that FSG is as good a set of owners that anyone can get. Investing serious amount of money season after season despite getting short-changed 90 percent of the time.

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  9. Side tracked from the player mentioned in this article. Just read that Gerrard urged LFC to bring in a top-class striker. Due to the marvelous scouting network, brilliant transfer committee plus the awe-inspiring manager coupled with the breathtaking negotiation skills of the CEO, all of LFC, I'm starting to feel nausea about a possibility of Falcao swapping his red devil jersey for our all-red jersey...

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  10. How much would a 25 year old Stevie G be worth now ?? Hope he enjoys tomorrow - MAGNIFICENT ATTITUDE - Raheem Sterling please stay home and dont defrade the occassion

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  11. More importantly, B.B. King has died. Today I'm blue.

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  12. Except in January, and much of the money has come from selling stalwarts.

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  13. Fed up already with who we are going to get and who we are not, I just hope that we get a 20+ striker.

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  14. 'Twas still begging to be said ;-)

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  15. Wouldn't be the first time that's appeared to happen. Remember how we all suddenly realised that Aquilani was a bad player after he went on loan to Juve? Conveniently, his limited appearances for Liverpool kept the transfer fee to Roma down, or so I heard.

    It's all about priming.

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  16. Nope. I'm not expecting that at all, which is I think 100k a week is an inflated wage, even controlling for the already ludicrous wage structure in European pro football.

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  17. Stand by me of course. But yeah i have started going through his back catalogue since I heard the bad news. Amazing artist.

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  18. Agreed; that's spot on. I've seen Markovic do some gloriously difficult things. He has grace and poise, and when he's confident, he's super-confident. He thinks ahead, too. We must give him every opportunity to realise that potential.

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  19. Sorry DinMan... didn't mean to steal your thunder, I saw a question and just came over all 'quick! - somebody on the internet is wrong!!' (imo)

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  20. Maybe throw a (soft, pillow-like) suitcase of money at PSG for Lucas Moura. Felipe Anderson and Oliver Torres are also top young players.

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  21. Brown hail?!.... Oh man, that's really put me off my coco pops.

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  22. Multiply it by a million.

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  23. Hey, I was listening to that classic just an hour ago - had no idea he wrote it! I'm going to do the same. A bona fide legend.

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  24. As long as it's a Wednesday night in Stoke.

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  25. Good player but there's no way we're going to sign him as long as ings remains available

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  26. Indeed. We've paid way over the odds for some terrible players over the last 5 years or so, yet we let the likes of Eriksen, Alderwiereld go for fairly reasonable prices. Salah was another deal we should have been able to close, as was Shaquiri. Sigh...

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  27. Sounds erotic :D

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  28. Question is what would be Bacca's motivation to come to LFC?


    His team, the reigning Europa League Champion Sevilla, is playing again in the competition's final, whereas LFC bowed down to a mere Besiktas. Thus, how would LFC seem better option in Bacca's eyes apart from offering silly money?


    Also, Sevilla's chances to get to UCL next season are humongously better compared to LFC. They are 3 points behind the UCL qualifications spot with two matches to go and if they manage to overcome Dnipro in the EL final, they will get UCL spot anyway.


    Even though, Bacca would probably be a good addition to our squad, I found this speculation profoundly unrealistic.

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  29. Chelsea imploy the same system yet I wouldn't call their success midtable- and we laud their defenders as once best in the world (sigh)

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  30. There is no player in the world who could have replaced Suarez apart from Ronaldo or Messi. He was that good.

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  31. Morning all. I feel I must step in here, and point out that Blues legend BB King is not to be confused with soul legend Ben E King (singer of 'Stand By Me').


    Kudos to both of them for messing with our minds by choosing stage names that are confusingly similar. As if that wasn't enough, they chose to pass away within a few weeks of each other.

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  32. Im not too worried either way with Sterling. Happy for him to stay but we should get a nice sum if he leaves.

    Our strikeforce need an overhaul. If we can offload Lambert (3.5), Borini (8-10) and Balotelli (12) then use that money to get Ings (3.5 compensation), Aubameyang (20m) along with the arrival of Origi and hopefully fit DS we will look alot stronger in the attacking positions next year without spending the budget which allows for a quality midfielder and possibly extra defender.

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  33. Ben E King wrote stand by me fellas... BB King was amazing though. Worked one of his shows and he waited around after to take a picture with the crew. Both great artists i n their own right though. Not often an american gets to correct someone on this forum :)

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  34. Not going to recoup what we paid for Markovic, Lovren and Lallana etc so not sure the concept of sell on value counts here as these players came at inflated prices.


    FSG clearly had intention at the start of the season. They would not have made £117m of LFC's money available which is a record transfer window for us in one season just for the sake of it.

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  35. So he dreams of playing for Barca... Well so do I... We've both probably got about as much chance as each other

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  36. If he ain't signing, LFC should be asking a realistic fee, otherwise 12 months from now he's gone for nowt...
    Then again, he could just say "Fuck it", get his management company (agent) to buy his contract out - about a million and a half - sign for someone else, easily cover the buyout with a signing on fee and he's gone and LFC get peanuts.
    So, LFC get shirty and say "No way", the players' union will back him as he'd have made a reasonable offer... Jeez, even I could get a business loan to buy his contract out, so it's petty cash for his agents to sort out.
    If Sterling wants out this summer, he's going, regardelss of what Rodgers, Henry or anyone else says.

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  37. I would think money would be his motivation

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  38. The likes of Sterling, Sturridge, Coutinho and Ibe would turn a profit. Clearly last summer we were taken for a ride by spending plenty of money at Southampton. We were shafted with the prices for Downing and Carroll.


    Just think about it, were Lovren, Lallana and Markovic actually even needed a they have either hardly played or struggled to make a impact. We already had Ilori, Ibe and Suso and I am struggling to see how the players we already had would have done worse. Money pissed down the drain.

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  39. LOL. I read yesterday that Ibe told 'em to shove a contract offer where the sun don't shine.

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  40. That includes the £115m interest free loan out of FSG's pockets to start the stadium expansion. They will not see that money anytime soon.


    We do not know how lucky we are to have FSG as owners. LFC has become like a bottomless pit for FSG and if results do not start showing on the pitch then surely they will get tired of being LFC's interest free bank.

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  41. Coco pops. An even better term.

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  42. I think it is fair to say that Falcao is not going to happen and thankfully not.



    The money spent last summer obviously needed to be spent in a better way. What we do know is that FSG do not have just one person responsible for making decisions so if the transfer committee is sacked then Ayre, Rodgers and the other three will be without jobs and looking at the overall picture, FSG will have every reason to get rid.

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  43. Aged as they were, losing them is still tragic. Thanks for clearing that up, Ash and Red Cadillac!

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  44. What a privilege. Nice to hear he was a decent guy, too. Correct away, my friend! Plus, who doesn't love Cadillac?

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  45. Can't underestimate the lure of money.

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  46. I think I've been corrupted by Suarez' tenure, or maybe spoilt is a better word; just can't help making the comparison.
    Any goal compilation I watch now just seems so 'meh...'
    Bacca looks a very good player, but is he a talent on the wain and will age and weight of expectation in fact be an issue for any new striker coming in who is bound to draw comparisons to Luis S.
    More gut feeling than anything but I feel we need a young gun who is super confident, probably verging on arrogant and has already shown the potential to justify such.
    Not a radical new idea but for me that player is Lacazette and until I hear concrete evidence that's not going to happen other options probably won't cut it.

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  47. Lacazette and Dybala would be my two ideal striker signings this summer, based on your gut feeling, which is spot on.

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  48. Lacazette would be great, nothing but a pipe dream.

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  49. You missed the widespread misuse of 'foot in mouth' when he thinks he has spotted a flaw in someone's argument. Whether there is one or not ...

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  50. It only needs to come true once.

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  51. Who doesn't love pink :)

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  52. That's what summers are all about, stinking hot weather, hot women who ideally don't stink and dreams.
    Why decide it's all going to be a nightmare before it's even begun ;-)

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  53. Not sure about Dybala.

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  54. He is at Lyon, 2nd in the French League, will have CL football next season if he stays there and also will cherry pick his next side if he decided to leave.


    Why would he come to LFC at this point?

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  55. Who would you choose instead?

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  56. We can look forward to options like Ings? So excited!

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  57. Don't kill the dream! That's the transfer committee's job.

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  58. Money and one of the best platforms in the world to showcase and nurture his talent.
    If, as I suspect is the case of such a good young player, he has aspirations of a similar nature to what Luis' and many others had, then for me it is not too big a stretch of the imagination to see almost any player, of similar standing to Lacazette - wanting to come to LFC

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  59. Or more like those are the only type of players we are able to attract at this point.

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  60. Keep the faith as they say...

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  61. As usual, all you do is pick holes in other people's suggestions or supposed LFGC targets.


    Very rare that you stick your own neck out and actually suggest a solution.


    Anybody can find fault..

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  62. I have been going on about Lacazette for 2 seasons now. Fortunately I do not have my head in the sand.


    It is not going to happen.

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  63. Going to show Suarez how it is done, cough cough...

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  64. So....


    Who then?

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  65. I just told you that I have been in favour of Lacazette for 2 seasons? What does it matter who I want the club to sign? Am I an employee of LFC?


    Barking up the wrong tree again. I am simply stating facts. Lacazette will not join LFC at this point.

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  66. Is there even much point in carrying this on? If you need me to explain to you of things being made up I would have to write the previous pages of what you've been writing and I've lost all motive anyway, hence me saying let's agree to disagree. I will just explain the last thing before i said that, Your saying Suarez is automatically lying (with no proof) and your excuse is that the club that is paying His salary is his dream club, without realising Barcelona is paying his salary, while opening up about his old club, you accuse someone of something you have no proof of but would have to come up with a theory that you made up. I used man management in the context of how he talks to his players, yet your excuse against that possibly being true is club management, for giving a chance to a homegrown player as a sub towards the end of one game, even tho all footballers have to have a debut in every career. We should leave it now

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  67. Come on!! I'm enjoying this good natured banter but seriously, you must recognise that ALL clubs need and have players of varying skill levels, that cost them various prices and are on various trajectories in their careers.
    In Ings case he is still near the start of his but looks likely to go on and do very well, specially at a club like ours. He also seems like a team player who will happily accept his place in the pecking order and still contribute when called on, a very good signing IMO.

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  68. No answer then. How can you say you sugge Lacazzette then immediately say he won come. So HE IS NOT A SUGGESTION AS TO WHO TO BUY


    Who should we buy who is realistic?


    Try answering the question for once . If you want to contend that it's not for you to comment , the STOP trashing everybody else who actually try..

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  69. Exactly, and reducing the wage bill so dramatically that Joan the tea lady is now the 7th biggest earner at the club...

    The thing that annoyed me most was last seasons winter window.

    FSG/Ian Ayre, whatever, could not bring in a single player in one whole month.

    As a result, we were left shothanded for our best title shot in years.

    We effectively only had 12/13 first teamers available for our title push.

    That is why we did not win the title that year, when Hendo was suspended, we were down to the bare bones.

    Fricking disgraceful mismanagement.

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  70. I answered your question.

    I have even suggested Khedira who would be an adequate replacement for Gerrard but unfortunately at this point we will need to settle for the likes of Milner.


    If you do not like my post then stop replying. Do I get under your skin?

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  71. Many though Lallana was going to be a superstar signing. Ings will be another purchase of 'let's hope it works out' like many of the signings we made last summer...

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  72. You are quite amusing actually.


    You say on the sidelines sniping and complaining about everything being wrong and propose no solutions

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  73. Lallana is going to be a superstar signing.
    You keep pitching them and I'll keep knocking them out of the park ;-)

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  74. You have no obligation to reply to my posts. I have been ignoring your replies for a while now yet you keep replying?

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  75. Lallana might become a sick note you know, oh wait, he already is.

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  76. That's no fairer when you say it than when Jamie does!
    Anyway, a slight change of tack, I like to try and end a differing discussion with an agreement wherever possible, so:
    Can we agree that although both grown men we may find it hard not to shed a tear tomorrow but will definitely claim to any onlookers, that we had something in our eye?

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  77. I'll reply whenever I choose. I enjoy highlighting your inadequacies.

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  78. Well keep on replying mate.

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  79. How about we all just leave Soton alone. Poor club getting pillaged of all their players each transfer window.

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  80. Gerrard is a living legend. Single handedly dragged us out of the crapper on so many occasions. Would have been good if he could at least have had one EPL winners medal.

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  81. A timeless classic, I stumbled upon another recently - Wonderful World by Sam Cooke.
    It's extremely likely it's just me but if you should happen upon it, the lyrics may immediately remind you of a certain poster. Almost could be his ode to Liverpool, hope he soon returns myself.

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  82. Will check it out case thanks.
    Didbyou used to use a different name?

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  83. Interesting claims about Depay:

    http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/from-holland-depay-wanted-to-join-liverpool-club-pulled-out

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  84. Only GoneFishin. been reading for a lot longer but only started posting then.

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  85. No nothing wierd. Your just a welcome contributer. It's nice new people posting with a level head rather than going mad in the current climate.

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  86. That's nice of you to say, unfortunately circumstances dictate that sometimes my head isn't all that level! (cry me a river of small violins and all that)
    That's why I deleted GoneFishin, but after trying to leave I was "sucked back in" all good fun though.

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  87. I want players like Tevez and Griezmann,

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  88. Cheers Jay, I did type a different reply but evidently fell foul of the word inspector.

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  89. Ah. Big yes to those two and their ilk.

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  90. My ideal signing is Lacazette who I think could be a perfect fit for our system. Obviously no signing is guaranteed but I'd have high hopes for him

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  91. That could all be completely accurate, although they do leave the door open at the end by saying 'of course Depay could still of chosen utd'
    It does seem to add weight to some of the previous suggestions and guesses re Sturridge and also, bearing in mind we likely have pretty limited funds, to me makes sense that we could have diverted our attentions elsewhere.

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  92. He already is!

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  93. No not another one from soton. Recall ilori. Wats the reason of buying a player 7m and not playing him for once. Datd very wasteful on the part of BR. Afta 2 successful loan spell shouldnt he be brought into d team? Plus wit his great pace he can play RCB position well enough. Havent we learnt our lessons frm buying frm dem.

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  94. But seriously, realistically, players we might actually stand some chance of signing? Do you, and this goes for Logan too, have the knowledge to point to any signings you think we should pursue?

    Cuz if you just say "Moon on a stick!" you're going to be disappointed and angry again.

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  95. Is Lacazette even a distant star for us do you think, or am I just 'seeing the crescent' while u you see the "Whole of the moon"

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  96. Stan Dinaround2:07 pm, May 15, 2015

    I didn't say that it turned out bad, he's a kid, a fact alot of people forget with alot of our boys.....He's played football, so he's learning, even if that is in Ligue Un... He will come back with a bit more knowledge, and hopefully can press on... Not exactly the failure everyone seems to want. It seems to me, people wants our boys to fail, just to throw it back in Brendans face.

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  97. Well since we can suggest signing players that we don't believe will come here, I'm all for signing Neuer, Ronaldo, and Messi.


    What the hay, I'll throw in signing Pele in his prime.

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  98. I bet I can tell you whom he wants out...

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  99. I don't even know if he's all that good, honestly. Ligue 1 is crazy bad. Some of the chances Lacazaette gets you would never, ever see in the premier league, dismal though it is. There's so much half-arsed defending. I dunno. If we were going to get him, it would have surely been last summer. But he didn't move; so I assume it's because he's going to go straight from Lyon to his big pay-day without stopping off somewhere like Liverpool on the way?

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  100. I can't think of one reason why not ;-)

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  101. To be clear... Replying to a question is not the same as actually answering a question.



    For instance, if you ask me what my favorite color is and I say meatloaf... I have replied to your question, but I didn't actually answer it.

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  102. Excuse me, sir. Meatloaf just so happens to be my favorite color.

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  103. I will be very interested to see if Man Utd go for Bale if he becomes available now they have brought Depay

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  104. We talking about the food or the man?

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  105. Of course you have been ignoring his questions, you cant answer them

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  106. Now that you bring it up...


    I have a theory that I want to be at MeatLoaf's last ever concert as it will be the greatest performance in the history of music.


    If you ever watch him sing, it looks like he's going to croak at any moment because he puts so much emotion into the performance.


    Hence, he will someday die on stage, and it will be the best concert of all time because he will obviously put more emotion into that one show than any show before it due to the end result being his death.


    He'll feel it coming on, he'll power through the show, and he'll finish that last crescendo with a smile on his face and collapse to the heavens when the lights go out.

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  107. Already dead, mate.

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  108. False! He's 67. Alive. And Kicking.


    Still like a bat out of hell!

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  109. Case closed.

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  110. Obviously he'd come here to play for Brendan Rodgers

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  111. The color of the man.

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  112. Stan Dinaround2:30 pm, May 15, 2015

    In the Italian Serie A half of goalscorers in the top 10 are 30 or over...with Tevez and Luca Toni 1st and 2nd.... There is alot to be said for experience when you need goals....

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  113. Thanks Robo genuinely appreciate your opinion.
    Somehow, the impression that's stuck with me was that he created a reasonable percentage of those chances for himself via reading the state of play in advance of the opposing defenders, or by simply using speed and fleet of foot to evade them and get his shot off and I thought he displayed a good variety of shooting/finishing.
    I won't lie and say I've seen tonnes of Ligue 1 and admittedly most of my assessment is based on clips from the tube, although I do try and hunt down some extended game footage rather than purely goal compilations.
    I will maybe temper my judgement a bit then with what you say. I just have a feeling that he may be one of these 'next ....' that actually does become world class in his own right.
    Slim chance for us as you say but I was hoping if my hunch is correct he may want the 'did it in the Premier lge' feather in his cap.

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  114. Stan Dinaround2:42 pm, May 15, 2015

    We haven't devlved into the winter market for the last 2 now..

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  115. Crikey I will as well, I can't keep track of what's semi-serious and has any credibility in the press but do know it's been mentioned.
    If they do though it could be (and I would hope) a case of be careful what you wish for, - all great players but to throw them all into a plastic mix in a hurry and expect it to suddenly work may not get the desired result, could end up in a huge clash of egos and bring the whole house down.

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  116. Stan Dinaround2:46 pm, May 15, 2015

    I've got no problem being a selling club, being a selling club doesn't have to mean no world class talent, it doesn't ahve to mean that those players coming in are'nt of a world class calibre either.... If only we could instill this concept into the owners, we would be onto a winner.... Fact is, you can seel as many players as you want all day, but if your not in the CL, you aren't making real money...That has to be our remit,, Get the players to get us back into the CL, and keep turning over those players t keep us there, only then will FSG maximise their turnover....But to do this, we first need to spend.

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  117. Younger OR more proven. Bacca is kinda in the middle of both of these. If it were a consistent 20 goal scorer in his late 20s, early 30s, then sure. But if we're going for a 10-15 goal man, I'd rather a 23 year old than a 33 year old. Lacazette is both young and proven, hence why he's so ideal.

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  118. Stan Dinaround2:55 pm, May 15, 2015

    £20m... do you not fancy even a look? Monaco are so desperate to comply with FFP they have halved his fee...Maybe with a decent run of games and a decent pre seaon he could be a worth while punt...... Maybe

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  119. First of all I disagree that we should bring him in, we have some quality defenders imo that struggle due to the system and philosophy of the manager, ( not saying hes a bad manager) I believe that fonte yes may be playing very well this season and last but when you consider the managers where both former defenders for both season then the cb players are goin to excel under their management. To me fonte plays well with higher quality partners ie lovren and alderweirild, a bit like henchoz with hyypia, I would like to see his stats for the season they came up under Nigel Adkins and compare that to his current stats, I believe that is a more comparable season for him if you could provide that jaimie?

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  120. Come on then Logan who would you buy that would realistically come to the club and would be possible in terms of cash available under FFP? Remember even if the owners wanted to they cannot just throw money into the pot now.


    Put your money where your mouth is instead of the hindsight analyse of players. We will see how your chosen player fair where ever they end up.

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  121. French league is the reason. Play a few CL glory games a year or play in a top league week in week out.

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  122. Stan Dinaround3:00 pm, May 15, 2015

    I had a look at the top scorers in La Liga and almost laughed at the farce it appears to be.. Ronaldo on 42 league goals followed by Messi on 40.... after that the next highest goal scorer has 22 with Neymar and Greizmann....Bacca has 20...It is so unbalanced it is farcial...20 gaols ahead of the rest... He maybe the best in the world, but come on.

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  123. Stan Dinaround3:01 pm, May 15, 2015

    Lacazette would be ideal, but I think Real are considering selling Benzema, so we can be sure who they will be looking at to replace.

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  124. Hindsight. Lets here your claims on next season NOW. Lets here who we should realistically sign, so we can judge you after the event.

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  125. Stan Dinaround3:03 pm, May 15, 2015

    Sad day...

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  126. Historically Real tend to sell players in late August so I suspect or maybe I hope that we never had any real interest in Depay and it was just a ploy to force Man Utd to act as there is no guarantee that Real will sell Bale and so it would be leaving pretty late.

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  127. Stan Dinaround3:06 pm, May 15, 2015

    We can all appreciate class my good man...

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  128. Same reason why Falcao went to Utd with no CL football.

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  129. Agreed, I've been enjoying his posts recently too

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  130. What's that got to do with the price of eggs? ;-)

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  131. Thirded. In fact the whole squad seems to be commenting well at this moment in time. There have been some world class puns and Stuart C's xmas cracker funnies have been nothing short of outstanding, incredible, and beautiful.


    The only things that could improve the situation would be if Y.O. would sign up to Disqus with a proper account, and if Jockithekop would get a picture for his avatar. It's very much a situation where he wants to just focus on his commenting, I think we can all appreciate that. But the longer it goes on, you can see it's having an effect not just on the lad himself, but on the posters around him, and the sooner it's sorted out the better.

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  132. I've flummoxed myself with that, sorry to ask you to join the dots for me but - we tried to force their hand to buy Depay,- now meaning they won't go for another winger? - being good because Bale is better, but in that case, does it now maybe mean they have plenty of time to negotiate with Real at their leisure and end up with both.
    Would it not have been better to disrupt the Depay deal for as long as possible, leaving them little time in the end to get either player? Sorry again if I have this a*se about t*t.

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  133. The thing I have noticed with the lower La Liga teams is that they have low fitness levels. They will park the bus well for 60 odd minutes and then will just give up free goals after that. As a result, all these guys get easy number of goals.

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  134. I honestly find it very difficult to tell with him. Maybe it's his physique, there's a certain lack of power there... meh. You're right to pick up on his anticipation of play, it's very good. I like that he hits the ball hard when he shoots, too many players these days just try and get it on target (to help their metrics probably), and he does have decent variety. Love that pace as well.

    I dunno. I've not got my heart set on anyone this year really, there don't seem to be any players around that really make me stand up, if that's the phrase.

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  135. Lovren is a better defender than Fonte. And if we can get manager who can bring in mobile tough tackling athletic DM then we see the best of Lovren and Sakho next season.
    L Leiva has been the best defensive midfielder at club for last 5 seasons but due to injuries and some managers not using him enough team have struggled.
    Hopefully the abysmal, comical and pathetic transfer committee, Ayre and B Rodgers are shipped out this summer.
    And hopefully the owners give next manager a healthy transfer war chest £60-£70M and whatever else the club can gain shipping the dead wood average players out this summer:
    B Jones GK S Coates CB K Toure CB A Wisdom RB
    G Johnson RB J Enrique LB J Clue/Useless Allen L Alberto AM
    I Aspas FD F Borini FD R Lambert FD M Balotelli FD
    And these 8 positions need being sorted asap to bring more class quality competition for places at club:
    GK CB RB LB DM WCM RW FD
    GK: A Begovic Of Stoke Or M Perrin Of Genoa should be brought for £7-£12M to compete and cover S Mignolet
    RB: M Montoya Of Barcelona should be brought for £6-£8M to compete with Flannagan and Manquillo
    LB: J Obita Of Reading should be brought for £3-£5M to compete with A Moreno
    DM: Lars Bender Of Borussia Dortmund Or M Schneiderlin Of Southampton for £18-£25M
    WCM: World Class Centre Midfielder: T Alacantara Of Bayern Munich Or M Verratti Of PSG should be brought to club for £25-£36m to bring the class and quality of Alonso that has still not been replaced 7 years on.
    FD: C Benteke Of A Villa should be brought for £15-£25M with R Lambert in the deal going the other way to compete with D Origi
    RW / LW: Y Bolaise Of Crystal Palace should be brought for £12-£16M to compete with J Ibe

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  136. Quadrupled-ed or something, only the bits you mention of others though, no self-deification going on here thank you very much. Does seem polite to tip you all an up vote mind.
    Funny you mention avatars, I filled mine in this morn partly in homage to our Captain fantastic but with the side wish that it may be easier to track down one's posts - this of course could go horribly wrong tomorrow...

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  137. A mobile tough tackling DM

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  138. Oh god, I'm gonna have to register a pseudonym named goat to post with else your all going to be hugely disappointed, the moment my friend Stella stops by.
    Logan!! get yourself over here and add some balance!

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  139. The five attacking players that should be brought to club this summer are as follows: WCM RW FD FD FD
    WCM : World class CM: T Alacantara Of B Munich for £25-£40M to replace S Gerrard
    RW: Y Bolaise Of Crystal Palace for £10-£16M to replace L Alberto this summer
    FD: C Benteke Of A Villa for £20-£25M and R Lambert to replace R Lambert and M Balotelli this summer
    FD: L Vietto Of Villareal Or P Aubamayeng Of B Dortmund for £10-£16M to replace F Borini
    FD: D Ings Of Burnley Or S Berahino Of West Brom for £4-£16M to replace I Aspas

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  140. As well as Lucas Leiva...

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  141. No, I don't have any knowledge. I am quite dumb actually.

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  142. Quite ungentlemanly of them, I'd say. Puts a damper on this whole celebration of legends thing going on here. Rest in peace, jokers.

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  143. Shut yer gob, goat! ;-)

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  144. I think Thiago unrealistic at least until Pep is at the helm. Also, Ings, Berahino, Bolasie are not really that good tbh. I would prefer Demba Ba as a backup striker. If Tevez is ready to go to Boca Juniors then we can definitely motivate him to play at a higher level for couple of season. I think we can also attract Griezmann (if no other clubs are interested) by offering him higher wages compared to Atletico Madrid. I also like Benteke but only if he is available for below 25mn.

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  145. What about that Monaco player?

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  146. Chirag,
    Berahino would score 15-20 goals a season playing for us and is better than Lambert and Borini
    Bolaise is better than Markovic and L Alberto and would bring us more class, creativity, goals, pace, speed and width out wide
    Ings is descent player and would score more goals than M Balotelli has this season for us
    T Alacantara is a world class player and we desperately need a world class CM as apart from S Gerrard there is not one world class midfielder at club
    Chelsea have Fabregas but are going to bring in Koke
    Man City have Yaya and are going to bring in Pogba
    We have J Allen , J Henderson and E Can who none are world class and may not ever be world class
    T Alacantara is world class and if we cannot get him, then M Verratti should be next priority CM we should go for instead

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  147. Kondogbia is top class DM, but he does not have the mobility that the other 4 DM above have.
    Mobility is huge factor needed , because if L Leiva had mobility and bit of pace about him he would play every game in front of back four.

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  148. Even Verratti who is wanted by big clubs is unrealistic and too expensive for us. Just because we want world class players doesn't mean we can buy them. I think any striker will look better than our strikers at the moment. But its not necessarily true. Lambert was extremely impressive last season, Borini did a good job at Sunderland, Roma and Swansea. There were clubs willing to pay upto 14mn for Borini so there is definitely something wrong with our system that makes descent players look like garbage. Ditto Lovren. Reason I am against signing the players you mentioned is because they might as well end up in our garbage list. If we are going to buy any player for next season then he should be a MASSIVE upgrade on our current players. We will need players who can have immediate impact. Obviously it will be hard to buy worldclass players but there are still some very good players who can be useful for our top 4 push. Griezmann, Turan, Aubemayeng, Tevez....or experienced backups like Podolski, Demba Ba

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  149. Lucas Leiva is still better than any other DM we have.

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  150. I know some people who thought Joe Allen would serve us some humble pie... Well he's one slow waiter...

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  151. You haven't sampled any of Joe's pastel de humildad? It's really quite good ;-)

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  152. In quotes taken by the Daily Mail, the now Juventus midfielder Andrea Pirlo explained: “Carlo (Ancelotti) was like a father to me. We used to, and still do speak a lot.

    “While at Milan he came to me and said ‘I want to sign Steven Gerrard to play next to you in midfield – what do you think?’ Without any hesitation I told him ‘do it – go and sign him’. At this stage he was probably the most complete midfield player in Europe, of course I wanted to partner him.

    “I remember asking Carlo a few weeks later how it was going, and he told me Gerrard had given a very firm no, that his bond with Liverpool was unbreakable. At the time Milan were the champions of Europe and probably had the best team in the world – it says a lot about Gerrard’s loyalty.”

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  153. Stan Dinaround4:48 pm, May 15, 2015

    I know what you mean, and to some degree, thats why I don't watch many La Liga games, usually only watching the obvious Classico, and any time Atletico or Valencia play....

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  154. Ah sh1te that is what happened.

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  155. As long as he isn't the only incomer there are worse deals. We did at least two worse last year.

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  156. Sorry DinMan didn't mean to Ste*l your thunder, just saw the question and came over all 'quick somebody on the internet is wrong!'
    Did reply before but went to the land of mod, hence the * as I try and guess why.

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  157. You need some strepsils or something bud.

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  158. Lallana has had a bit of a meh season but not a bad one. Let's see the lad staying fit and see what he does.

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  159. It wasn't long ago he was defending every signing. Even at the beginning of the year barring Mario. Now everything is Rodgers fault, all the players are crap top.

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  160. The shade of the food or the shade of the singer/actor/king among men.

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  161. Dammit I should read ahead sometimes.

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  162. You should have read ahead - see below

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  163. If there is truth to it it probably means that he would have been the bulk of our transfer kitty and Rodgers wants a striker. That would have been a massive mistake if you ask me. If you can get quality, get it.

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  164. I just dont get it £25mill the bulk of our transfer budget...


    ...shocking dont you think...?


    By the looks of it and by whats coming out, put together with what has been said, along with reading between the lines...I'd say its all true....so yeah my comment stands ...what the fu**...?!?
    Man U have only just started their shopping and bought depay and ours ends with depay ....have we really fallen to this...?
    ...I don't blame BR at all but really Jay Jay I'm literally having to gulp and hold my emotions in chack when I have to reiterate your sentiments...


    'if you can get quality, get it'......


    ...what we can't even realise we would need both depay and a striker or two if we want to learn from this season every ex and current player has said it we need goals and competition....


    ....oh please help me God.....

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  165. RamptonFromSouthampton5:28 pm, May 15, 2015

    Saints fan in peace here.


    To be honest, seems there's a major problem ongoing if Liverpool have to continually purchase players. Whatever happened to developing your own talent? I would have thought there was a certain element of pride involved in being able to field a team, the core of which is representative of the city it is named after. Constantly throwing money at something in the hope it might pay off clearly does not work 100% of the time.


    Anyhow, re Alderweireld. We have a deal with Athletico whereby we have first shout on purchasing the player unless they pay up a couple of million euros under the terms of a penalty clause written into the contract. This cancellation fee is only payable should they choose to take him back to play for them, NOT to bring him home and sell to the next highest bidder. So that's not going to happen, to Utd, Spuds or anywhere else for that matter.


    And as for the ludicrous rumours surrounding Jose Fonte: really??? It is laughable how in modern times, it is safe to assume that somehow, anybody can be bought off for any price. He's the club captain, is playing every week and enjoying himself. Why would he want to go to your club? I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just looking at how busy Sir Rickie Lambert has been since realising his 'boyhood dream' and departing Hampshire for Merseyside. Hasn't really worked out for him in the best Roy of the Rovers style hasn't it? Wasn't there talk about farming him off to Villa over the transfer window. cannot for the life of me understand why Fonte would want to follow in his footsteps and think a few journos have been on the waccy baccy too often.


    Finally Lovren. Well I'm no Buddhist but I've got a greater belief in karma nowadays. The way Lovren left us was disgraceful, the fee was ridiculous and he's not exactly been your player of the season has he? Think that's enough said.


    Finally, for those of you who like a good laugh, check out the link below and someone forward it to 'Brendon' before he thinks about heading down to Hampshire again with the company chequebook.


    Peace,


    http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/36296/

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  166. For once I have to agree.....


    ..I can't believe tevez is being overlooked...in the commentary for champions league games the guys were saying tevez' team-mates were under no illusion itb was tevez' goals which had'dragged' them to the their league title this year.....


    ..as a game-changing striker to replace Lambo he'd be brilliant....

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  167. We make less money than United. Even when we had CL and they didn't they made loads more money than us. Our club has posted a very very modest profit for the first time in years. Clubs above us are doing better. Simple as that. As for the money being the bulk. Well stands by other windows. We average about £35m on transfers a year net. Including last year.

    I agree, it should have been Depay and a striker. I think perhaps the worry is not getting rid of Mario. Not bringing in that extra cash. So we will buy a striker (hopefully) and loan Mario out. Old and terrible business to be repeated I fear.



    I have nothing against the owners or the manager per se but things need to be done differently and better.



    Don't ask the big man for help. If he exists he has bigger fish to fry.

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  168. ...can I just add I'd love to sign Maradona.....


    ....but I heard he wont come..

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  169. I think Gerrard would make a very good manager, I like his comments that we should sign experienced players and not potentials, this shows ambition and he was our manager I could see him going for Bacca. Brendan though...

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  170. As a Saints fan, he's a great centre back and a great leader. He's been loyal to us and really stepped up when he needed to and it's done wonders for his career. However, you can have him for £20m. He's 32 and we are building for the future. I'd add the caveat though that the money should be put towards signing Alderweirald permanently as he seems like a decent, honest guy and model professional, not to mention a world class centre back.



    His wages will probably be too high though unfortunately, and I don't see us wanting to lose both centre backs.



    Who knows eh?

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  171. Brendan has also intimated the very same sentiment.

    Whilst he has been an outrageously great player and has love for the club he has his flaws. I know it's barely the time to talk about this but the next week or two are going to be full of emotion so nows as good as any. He can be found tactically at fault in the game. Positioning and tracking players has never been something he was particularly good at. There is the worry that would continue in to management.

    Lets hope if he does come back he does do a great job. The end to his career here has not been befitting of the legend.

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  172. Yeah i suppose it is Friday - fish and chips dinner for all so I agree I won't ask him again....


    ...anyway I asked him about the lottery and you know...............


    On the striker conundrum I have to agree and really I'm all ok about BR staying and getting the team back to last years performance levels....


    Also I really do believe danny ings to be a real striker in the making so I'm cool with that too...actually quite excited to be frank....Oh yeah and with Milner on a free....


    I also believe we can compete being a frugal business as I've written in previous posts I've been put right and reminded that's what we've always done as 'kingmakers' and as a 'club of the people for the people'.......


    .....however, and here's my issue......IF thats where we're at with the money going toward a striker a marquee one then please BR and ,management dont get my hopes up high and spend on sh** without having realsiesd that depay would have been a real asset....


    ..Jay Jay ..thats all it was really with my frustration.........

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  173. Yes obliviously I meant not now. he should get his badges first! But in the grand scheme of things he has to quality to do that although I don't know why his potential managerial career constantly reminds me of the failed Souness experience. Still, he is destined to come back to lift that f@@@king trophy! Let's hope he does...

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  174. Funny how people defend BR so quickly and try to find flaws in SG.

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  175. Vice versa is completely understandable. I would rather defend Mr. Liverpool than Mr. Nobody.

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  176. Berahino is not a top class striker, he has had one good season.



    I will also use the same argument for Kane.


    Until they have both scored consistently for a couple of years then fair enough.


    Lots of people raved about Michu and how a great striker he is and we should of signed him.. where is he now?

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  177. I am actually really upset with how BR has treated Borini.


    He was sent out of loan to Sunderland and he proved himself there scoring against Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City.


    He was a major reason why they did not get relegated yet so far he has not had a good run of games for us.

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  178. Most likely for all of Souness's faults he he loved the club to a fault.


    Souness made the big mistake of getting rid of players who didn't love the club as much as him and as a result he got rid of them before he found better replacements.

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  179. Word is he won't come because of Rodgers.


    Obviously our manager can't attract the stars

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  180. we are about too lose our only world class player at club this summer and your saying too expensive and unrealistic.
    We have still not replaced the class or quality of Alonso and Mascherano in centre midfield. 7 years on
    Allen, Can and Henderson are nowhere near that class or quality.
    The thing is S Gerrard none of the players above would get anywhere near S Gerrard 5-8 years ago. And that is why we are £200M away from Chelsea and Man City
    Every year our rivals strengthen also
    We will not ever win league under owners pathetic theory, we will never be a force again unless we start competing with the elite sides in Europe for players again
    Benteke is serious upgrade on Lambert and Balotelli together
    Borini has always been pony and will always be pony, how we have had top class strikers like Aldridge, Dalglish, Keegan, Rush, Fowler, Collymore, Owen , Torres and Suarez.
    To see players like Aspas and Borini wear the shirt is so annoying

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  181. Yeah he is and 90% of real true Liverpool fans know that but for some reason B Rodgers has deployed his Lovechild J Allen or S Gerrard as DM ahead Of L Leiva.
    which has back fired badly this whole season, the only time we looked v good and went on run L Leiva was in team protecting back four.
    But Rodgers decided to bring his love child back in side and we lost vital games and FA Cup semi final

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  182. Hope the history does not repeat itself.

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  183. Wrong.... Whilst the initial investment, (or purchase cost), was not put back on the club, (the purchase cost is an investment in FSG"s books) the subsequent investment inc transfer fees and stadium build is all being commercially financed.... The debt attached to this is not being financed by FSG Bank!
    So effectively they have paid £220m to buy the club, have no other debt, and now have a club recently valued at £600m+..
    They sure are good businessmen!

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  184. I didn't think you meant right now hut agree with the end sentiment

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  185. Berahino is a top class striker, watch how he finishes and look who he is playing for and the age he is. He is scoring goals for side who lack creativity and class in attack as he is natural finisher
    Kane is a class striker also who is good finisher and confidence player, but Kane has class quality attacking players feeding him chances week in week out. And he is a worker, so he makes some of his goals himself on hard work and determination.
    Berahino reminds me of Ian Wright, if we brought him to Anfield he would score goals for fun. Coutinho, Lallana, IBE and Sterling would create loads of chances for him

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  186. I'm with you there brother.

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  187. Berahino isn't a patch on Ian Wright.


    Like I said, lets see how he does next season before comparing him to some of the best strikers to of played in the PL.

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  188. You mean you didn't think I didn't meant right now?;-)

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  189. Are you serious or is this a late April fools joke? Please tell me you are not linked to Metros very own Jamie "Reports say" Sanderson who has claimed that Liverpool will be signing over 27 players this summer.

    Carlos Bacca is a Sunday morning pub team player who obviously would love to play for Liverpool. Having recently turned out for the "Dog and Duck XI"

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  190. Berahino has scored some vital goals playing for a team that lacks serious class width pace and speed in their side.


    Brunt, Dorrans, Gardner,Mcmanaman and Sessegnon are the creative players he has had to work with.


    If Berahino played for us with Coutinho, IBE, Lallana and Sterling regularly creating for him he would score goals for fun fun fun. He has scored more goals than Balotelli, Borini, Lallana, Lambert and Markovic all together this season.


    So a young 21 year old striker has scored more goals than 5 attacking players together playing at lower club against same players in same league week in week out and your saying he is not class or quality.


    The 5 players i have mentioned cost club: £75.5M together


    Yet Berahino has got more goals than all of them together this season and would cost club £12-£20M and guarantee us 15-25 goals every season

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  191. Javier pastore will be a great signing

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  192. Its real life and not football manager, this is why we have not won league in 25 years .


    As we always buy and bring too many average or mediocre players to club.


    And for every top class player we bring in, there is 6 or seven average or dead wood players.


    And instead of clearing the dead wood average players, we keep them on books and sell our best players and fall further away from our rivals.


    Already for summer ahead:


    Arsenal are looking at Cech, Higuain and Cavani


    Chelsea are looking at Koke, Varane and Griezmann


    Man United have signed Depay and are looking at Bale, Gundogan and Hummels


    Man City are looking at Pogba and Verratti


    Yet we have been linked with D Ings? Really its pathetic and we expect to challenge our rivals


    They buy the equivalent of Bugattis, Ferrari's, Lamborgini's and Porsche's.


    Where we are looking at Fords and Vauxhalls, that is why we are so far behind our rivals in squad depth and always struggle in league as its squad that determines where you finish in league, not your first 11.

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