In July, Italian newspaper TuttoSport claimed that Liverpool were preparing a £40m offer for Juventus star Arturo Vidal, who is also wanted by Manchester United. Juve reportedly want £50m for Vidal - a fee LFC can presumably afford after selling Luis Suarez - and according to the Chilean star's agent, the midfielder is definitely leaving Italy this summer.
Earlier this evening, Agent Andrea D'Amico told Sky Sports Italy:
"Vidal and Pogba? One of the two will leave. I’ll go a step further and say that I’m convinced Vidal will certainly leave."
Chilean newspaper El Mercurio also claims that Vidal is open to a move, and has a transfer preference for Liverpool, Man United, or Real Madrid.
When asked last week about his future, Vidal - nicknamed 'Il Guerriero (the Warrior)' - told reporters:
"I have heard about the interest shown in me but [my Agent] deals with this. Once I arrive to Italy I will speak to the coach and see what happens."
27-year old Vidal had an excellent World Cup for Chile, and he's very highly regarded, especially by some of the game's top managers. In June, Louis Van Gaal raved:
"Chile have very dangerous players [who] always play an attacking style. I always wanted to buy Vidal when he was at Bayer Leverkusen but he went to Juventus"
Arsene Wenger is also a huge fan, and a few weeks ago, he outlined Vidal's main qualities:
"Vidal is one of the best midfielders in the world. He has everything. Incredible stamina, perfect timing. He's a marathon athlete who plays football."
Signing Vidal would be a real statement of intent from Liverpool, and if Rodgers is to persist with Steven Gerrard in a deeper role, then the Chilean is the perfect player to operate alongside Henderson and plug the inevitable midfield gaps.
Why can't Liverpool sign Vidal? If he genuinely has a 'preference' for Anfield, then the Reds should surely be pulling out all the stops to pull off the deal.
Emre Can (due to inexperience; need to adapt etc), Lucas, and Allen are not (IMO) going to get the job done; LFC have been crying out for a top-class midfield dynamo, and this is a glorious opportunity to snap up one of the world's best midfield players.
Alas, I don't see it happening. Even though the opportunity is there, Rodgers is probably satisfied with having Can - a player he can mould in his own image - alongside Hendo.
It's possible that Can will develop into a good player for LFC, but the club will have a better chance of competing for the league/Champions League with proven, top class players in the first team, and Vidal certainly fits the bill.
Ultimately, it's very simple: Vidal is available; he has a preference for LFC, and Liverpool have the cash to - at the very least - put in an offer.
No-brainer, surely?
Author: Jaimie K
Earlier this evening, Agent Andrea D'Amico told Sky Sports Italy:
"Vidal and Pogba? One of the two will leave. I’ll go a step further and say that I’m convinced Vidal will certainly leave."
Chilean newspaper El Mercurio also claims that Vidal is open to a move, and has a transfer preference for Liverpool, Man United, or Real Madrid.
When asked last week about his future, Vidal - nicknamed 'Il Guerriero (the Warrior)' - told reporters:
"I have heard about the interest shown in me but [my Agent] deals with this. Once I arrive to Italy I will speak to the coach and see what happens."
27-year old Vidal had an excellent World Cup for Chile, and he's very highly regarded, especially by some of the game's top managers. In June, Louis Van Gaal raved:
"Chile have very dangerous players [who] always play an attacking style. I always wanted to buy Vidal when he was at Bayer Leverkusen but he went to Juventus"
Arsene Wenger is also a huge fan, and a few weeks ago, he outlined Vidal's main qualities:
"Vidal is one of the best midfielders in the world. He has everything. Incredible stamina, perfect timing. He's a marathon athlete who plays football."
Signing Vidal would be a real statement of intent from Liverpool, and if Rodgers is to persist with Steven Gerrard in a deeper role, then the Chilean is the perfect player to operate alongside Henderson and plug the inevitable midfield gaps.
Why can't Liverpool sign Vidal? If he genuinely has a 'preference' for Anfield, then the Reds should surely be pulling out all the stops to pull off the deal.
Emre Can (due to inexperience; need to adapt etc), Lucas, and Allen are not (IMO) going to get the job done; LFC have been crying out for a top-class midfield dynamo, and this is a glorious opportunity to snap up one of the world's best midfield players.
Alas, I don't see it happening. Even though the opportunity is there, Rodgers is probably satisfied with having Can - a player he can mould in his own image - alongside Hendo.
It's possible that Can will develop into a good player for LFC, but the club will have a better chance of competing for the league/Champions League with proven, top class players in the first team, and Vidal certainly fits the bill.
Ultimately, it's very simple: Vidal is available; he has a preference for LFC, and Liverpool have the cash to - at the very least - put in an offer.
No-brainer, surely?
Author: Jaimie K
Agreed.
ReplyDeleteA fee we can presumably afford? Spending so far £100m approx, £75m for Suarez. Bit of a shortfall.
ReplyDeleteJamie, you surely can't be writing off Emre Can already? He's only been here five minutes.
ReplyDeleteI'm not writing him off. He's 20 - he's not going to have a major impact on LFC this season. He'll need time to adapt etc, and in the meantime, LFC will have to rely on Lucas and Allen. Vidal is proven quality, and can come in and make an immediate impact.
ReplyDeleteI would certainly have him and change our formation to be midfield dominant something similar to the German team
ReplyDeleteI wish that was going to happen but no chance as Vidal doesn't play for Southampton.
ReplyDeleteVidal hasnt played a game in the EPL, would he not need to adapt as well?
ReplyDeletei don't think they the reds will go for it because as of what mentioned above ... Rodgers is satisfied with Can along side Henderson ... but i hope that we save the money to buy Marco Reus instead i'm just hoping
ReplyDeleteIt wasnt arturos agent who said it.
ReplyDeleteit was giovincos agent who was talking about how players are leaving italy.!!!
Can, in the little game time he's had looks to me like he's got something about him. He's good on the ball and looks like he's got that bit of arrogance about him which all the top players have. I'm quite optimistic that he'll do well for us. Don't get me wrong Vidal is a top top player but IMO I'd rather see us throw that £50m at Dortmund for Reus.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, maybe not. The point is that a player with Vidal's experience is arguably more likely to hit the ground running.
ReplyDeleteProven quality? Why don't you admit you had never heard of him 12 months ago.
ReplyDeleteWhere does it say he wants to move to us? Bull shit i think
ReplyDeletehas a preference for liverpool united or madrid! i thought wen i read the headline he had stated he wanted the liverpool move specifically, would love it 2 happen but wont happen im afraid, hes already world class with no sell on value, we sign them young make them world class and let someone else enjoy our hard work, horrible football model great business one, id love just one marquee signing to set pulses racing, cant member the last time they flashed to the club store to show d name of a new signing being printed on d jersey, ala lukaku at everton suarez at barca and so on
ReplyDeleteWages, fellas. If he goes it will be to United for 200k per week, the #7 jersey, and a sea of Mancunians adorning the 'savior of stretford' tag. Option 2: same basic formula at the Bernabeau... Let's just be real. :)
ReplyDeleteIsn't it a bit of a reach to say he has a preference for Liverpool Jaimie? All from a piece in a Chilean newspaper.
ReplyDeleteBy that logic, Sterling and Markovic will have no major impact either. Emre Can could very well have a significant impact on our season and there's no denying that Rodgers has shown faith in young players before. Lucas could very well leave before the windows shuts as well.
ReplyDeletewhat team do you support?
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not a reach at all. Why do you disparage Chilean newspapers? Vidal is Chilean - why wouldn't a newspaper from his home country have inside info?
ReplyDeleteI would rather liverpool sign levezzi he will get us 20 goals and a lot cheaper
ReplyDeleteEmre looks decent, very positive & I think he'll be important this season. He's got that drive Lucas never had. Personally I'd prefer Pogba but that would be wishful thinking!
ReplyDeleteBy the way he's also got Champions league experience..
ReplyDeleteTo be fair I'm usually on Jaimie's case a bit but I don't think he wrote off Can there. Just pointed out he's nowhere near Vidal's level just now which is undoubtedly true
ReplyDeleteMy partner is from Chile and knows the paper very well Jaimie. Where does your knowledge of the Chilean media stem from?
ReplyDeleteIf we sign these two full backs I think we will sign another striker, possibly Bony and that will be it.
ReplyDeleteFair enough. I like Vidal, he's a top player and I think he'd be great for us, just can't see it happening. Unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteExactly! No one seems to value Emre.......he's been quality. Extremely underrated.
ReplyDeleteIf so, we would need to get rid of Allen and Lucas (which im totally in favour of). But none of his will happen. Vidal will go to UTD, Allen will remain as an average squad player, and Lucas will go on loan and eventually be sold. Some of rogers signings make no sense to me, but this has been the case from the very first signing... Fabio borini.
ReplyDeleteCan will be awesome
ReplyDeleteOnly by certain posters on this site...I think he's a beast and this will a big season for him if he gets the game time he should.
ReplyDeleteThis is what we should all do, send a message to LFC that we want Marco Reus!!! Send twits messages whatever it takes!!! Let them hear us! #bringreustoanfield
ReplyDeleteHahaha dont be stupid. I cant even see the guy leaving Juventus. More than likely just the same old newspaper rubbish feeding to the gullible masses, or Vidal playing some sort of trick to get more power at Juve.
ReplyDeleteTurkish born players are traditionally extremely determined, physical with a bit of skill, traits I see in Can. I agree there's been glimpses of quality, watch out for him this season!
ReplyDeleteThis is what we should all do, send a message to LFC that we want Marco Reus!!! Send twits messages whatever it takes!!! #bringreustoanfield
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more!
ReplyDeleteYeah, because we were desperate last season, weren't we?!
ReplyDeleteA preference for Liverpool based off a newspaper in chile that has said for weeks he wants to go to utd and quotes from vidals agent saying he is off!
ReplyDeleteGet ur facts straight before you write an article. That's not even vidals agent talking to sky sport it happens to be an agent in Italy who I think represents other juventus players... Bit Vidal though
Very good point...by 'some people's logic'...you can't be any good if you don't have CL experience and you can't be good enough to play in the CL unless you've played in the CL. It's pretzel logic of course and only serves the interests of the same-ole same-ole teams that show up in the CL every year. What I like about BR is that he has a sense of himself over time. I know in my bones that it won't be long before teams will be looking to Liverpool for the talent that LFC produces.
ReplyDeleteAmen
ReplyDeleteCan looks very good, once again you show little or no faith in Brendan and FSG's choice of player, you'll proven wrong once again, Jaimie. And you call yourself an LFC supporter?
ReplyDeleteYeah budget 135mil with sale of Suarez, already nearly to 100mil with only 1 defender purchased, plenty of depth in midfield and attack now...seems like a luxury purchase, I can't see hendo or gerrard being dropped and unless we play diamond coutinho or Lallana will take the 3rd midfield slot. To afford Vidal we'd have to destroy our wage structure which could unbalance the team as mourinho discussed with Shaw. Vidal is a tremendous player who I'd love to have, but there's no way Rodgers is going to buy him. And on a final note, every week I read a few articles about his preference for us and a few more about his preference for Man U and never seen him quoted, so we have no idea what his preferences are.
ReplyDeletewell maybe not so much young but masch torres alonso and luis have been sold in 5 years and were not world class when we took them, we made them world class and sold for the big bucks, its a theme that will repeat itself with markovic sterling and can in 5 or 6 years time, no doubt about it whatever u want 2 think
ReplyDeleteThe best players aren't gonna sign their last big contract at a club for one season of failure in the champions league followed by repeated failure in the prem
ReplyDeleteExcept he's Turkish born, and possibly at least 2 generations German. However, a blend of German efficiency and perfectionism and Turkish determination and physicality wouldn't be too bad...
ReplyDeleteThis whole Vidal thing has been amusing. The same Chilean papers were saying he's agreed with Utd. This was a few days ago, and nothing's happened...
ReplyDeleteWe would be better adding say another £3m and getting Reus £35m and Shaquiri £18m i think, Reus won`t sign a new contract with Dortmund so with his release clause set at a reported £27.5m next summer, it wouldn`t harm us to try putting a cheeky bid in now who knows it just could work.
ReplyDeleteThanks for correction :D
ReplyDeleteMuhahaha dream on, hes going to utd, bet of the season liverfool def not making top four rogers sacked before its over, parody restored
ReplyDeleteFirstly the Suarez money hasn't even been spent yet. BR had funds available to him of which he is using. Secondly, why again are these journo's saying Liverpool do not have any top class players. Is it because they are young? Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson, Coutinho are you blind. The media cannot believe Liverpool can be a better team without Suarez due to his goal tally. But I beg to differ. BR is now filling the attacking roles with young quality. We did unbelievably well last season. And it will continue. Replacement striker is needed tho. That will hopefully complete the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteVidal is probably the best all round midfielder in the world and if we could get him it would be a real game changer. I just don't see it though. I've heard about this inexplicable preference for us but I haven't really heard why and it seem tenuous to me to say the least. I would love this signing to happen but I'm not gonna hold my breath
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you mate
ReplyDeleteNot to burst any bubbles, but the agent quoted is not Vidals agent. He is Sebastian Giovinco agent. The rest of the interview went something like "I dont claim to have insider information, i just know with the Italian football market these days, when an offer of that size comes in you dont turn it away." If he lands anywhere in England it will most definitely be in Manchester. Which side is debatable. With financial fairplay though, i see him in a red shirt.
ReplyDeleteJamie is always a little loose on his stories. unless i can predict the future, the quotes are not from earlier tonight either. Pretty sure I read them around thursday
ReplyDeleteSurely indeed if he wants here. The article, recycled form 3-5 weeks ago named bigger names than us and they have a history of C L not just one yr. so it's a long shot. That said, I think we SHOULD go all out for a leader to take over midfield. Hendo,Can and Vidal would be formidable. Allen? Why are we still even talking about him? Lucas? Squad guy band lower tournament minutes at best.......
ReplyDeleteThat's like saying lets believe everything written in the 'Metro', because it's British they must know LFC are going to Buy Reus because they printed a article on it. You should use resort to your quote on Borini to Sunderland..'I'll believe it when I see it'
ReplyDeleteSaying all that, I would love Vidal to be in our colours. But that will mean we wasted money on Emre Can or he's become unhealthy competition.
Aren't we all wishing that they'll do so, Jamie? Unfortunately, not when MU, ManC, Chelsea or Arsenal is in the picture. They seem to be able to just blow Liverpool aside when it comes to star players. It's either their money or Arsene Wenger's charisma that attracts the star players.
ReplyDeleteI wonder why the normal "mega clubs" aren't into Vidal as well?
This time last year, we were all calling our for a marquee signing but none were made but then we had LS. There were lots of comments then. Even yours truly, wrote off their chances, let alone be runner up.
I guess we just have to trust the recruiting team, the BR and the players. I do hope. For Stevie G's sake that Liverpool wins the title before he jets off to the MLS.
Btw, I like your articles, though not necessarily agree with them, yet they are thought provoking. 😊
I think we could get Balotelli for roughly half the price, and invest the remaining money elsewhere. That's my preference, personally.
ReplyDeleteAgree look how long took lucas He had few years with Rafa we were screaming get rid off him . then he was Killing it few years now not so.
ReplyDelete50 mil Vidal at 27 years no way especially we haven't gotten the class striker that good enough for champion league..
Also right left back needed. How about we sell players we wont use to get more funds Assadi Suso Robinson Agger Borini Kelly Pepe Reina Tiago Ilori even sell allen to help money Vidal There is over 50ml in transfers players we wont use
Half the price with about 10 times the trouble...no thanks.
ReplyDeleteSimply put, there are two trump cards to acquiring world class talent in their prime (with a minimum of 2 years remaining on their contract) and UCL football is not one of them. First you must be able to buy the player from the selling club for a relatively exorbitant amount (which Liverpool and Man U can presently afford.) The second is affording a salary that is normally over the £150k per week bracket (which Man U can certainly afford while Liverpool may not be able to). In the end, this should be the deciding factor for which club Vidal choses. Professional footballers play the game for money and a lot of it goes a long way to making them and his family happy/secure.
ReplyDeleteReus at whatever the cost...
ReplyDeleteYou don't sell a monster and replace it with 'kittens'...
ReplyDeleteI can add as many names as I like but so far it's only Suarez.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at our competition and see who they've bought, you have to be disappointed in the transfer market so far. 'Too many up and comers' and not enough world beaters. A marquee signing would pay for itself surely in shirt sales alone... or do the BIG names just not want to come to our club.
ReplyDeleteWe've gone backwards imho. We need to strike fear with intent.
After waiting and seeing i don't BR gonna sign any big names. He wants to bring only young people with potential who he can mould. I do not know that gonna bring any success now. We may always have a case of next season. If a player like Hummels goes from Dortmund on 25 million i will surely be sad to see that we never even tried.
ReplyDeleteFor that much money we should look for somebody who can almost guarantee 20+ pl goals
ReplyDelete*Arsenal: Debuchy, Sánchez, Ospina, Chambers
ReplyDeleteChelsea: Cesc Fàbregas, Diego Costa, Mario Pašalić,
Filipe Luís, Didier Drogba
*Man City: Bacary Sagna, Fernando, Willy Caballero
Man U: Vanja Milinković, Ander Herrera, Luke Shaw
*Spurs: Ben Davies, Michel Vorm
Liverpool: Emre Can, Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Lazar
Marković, Dejan Lovren, Divock Origi
I saw someone mention that our competition has bought better than LFC? Well I have to wholeheartedly disagree. Our squad of last season finished second. Yes Suarez has left but the depth that we have been lacking in our squad has been addressed plus Moreno and Manquillo and another forward and then we are in pretty good shape IMO, much better than last season. Origi will join us at the start of next season too. Lovren, Lambert and Lallana are all EPL regulars now and come from a team who play a similar style to us.
As for Vidal, it is a pipe dream really. Are we going to spend half of what we already have on one player?
We have spent better than Man Utd for sure. Shaw is no better than Evra when he was playing for Utd and Herrera is a useless signing when they already have Shinji Kagawa. Man City have done the same thing as we have and improved their depth but they already finished first. Spurs have nothing. Arsenal fans are in a dream world just because they signed Sanchez but the others are underwhelming. Only Chelsea have spent better than us on theory. Am I the only one who thinks that Suarez leaving will be a good thing for the team because the balance will be restored. Last year we had 7 attacking pre-dominantly attacking players( Forwards, Mids and Johnson) and only three defenders. Suarez leaving will restore the balance between defence and attack. The only one thing I am worried about is that though the Southampton players are really good and will help us immensely, they did not exactly have a stellar season last year making their players worth so much.
ReplyDeleteStoke City finished just three points behind them and I do not see any team paying 25 mil for Marko Arnautovic for 30 mil or Erik Pieters for 30 mil when both teams basicaly had a similar season. They are good players but I am worried that they are not in the top of the league and flattered to deceive last season. They have skill, technique and accuracy but we have to remember that they are making a huge step up. I just hope they do not get overwhelmed. Also, am I the only one not too sold on Vidal. He is a good player but spends more time on the injury table then on the pitch and that too in the Serie A. When he comes to the PL, I do not think he will be able to cope with going to West Ham or Crystal Palace. For that much, I would want a more stable player who never gets injured.
I really wanted us to sign Diego Costa last season but he may also struggle to adapt in the EPL. All signings are a risk Take Soldado for instance. One of the best strikers in Spain two seasons ago but looked lost in his first EPL season and cost Spurs £26 million.
ReplyDeleteChelsea is a graveyard for Strikers too so there is no guarantee that Costa will make it. If he does not hit the ground running then will they will have Drogba or Torres to rely on.
True. On paper, Tottenham should have finished at least in the Top 4 last season. I thought Soldado would be a great hit. But, it's also about system. You need to play a system that suits a player. Totthenham played the wrong system. Soldado is more of a link up striker and they were crossing in aimless balls. I think that if Costa joined us, he would have been great because we would adapt to suit his strengths. Mourinho being Mourinho will ask Costa to adapt to his system and there is a high chance he will not adapt. That is there only flaw. Luis is a brilliant player and I would take him any day of the week. Fabregas is already suited to the PL. Everything can go awry for all these teams so predictions right now are useless.
ReplyDeletePeople will change their attitudes when Can and Markovic prove to be world beaters, i can see how good these two are already. Our best player this season will be Sterling undoubtedly with Can, Henderson and Markovic not so far behind you will see.
ReplyDeleteI think Soldado will be heading back to Spain or a league like Italy sooner or later after the tackle he received from Flanagan last season. Like Aspas he just looks to light weight. Many reports have suggested that Spurs want rid of him.
ReplyDeleteAlso, who would you rather have on your bench, Drogba and Torres or Lambert and Borini? Some say Borini is rubbish but ended up with more EPL goals than Torres last season so even if Borini does not end up at Sunderland then I would still be happy to have him on the bench compared to a player like Torres.
Van Gaal:
ReplyDelete"We still have a month to go [before the transfer window shuts] and we are winning. Maybe we don't need other players," the United manager told a press conference at the Michigan Stadium.
"First I want to see the players who I have and give them an honest chance."
Seems like the vultures are starting to circle. Maybe the players they want to sign do not want to join the mancs. Is it because of no CL football?
Van Gaal will most probably get them to perform better than last season but should they not qualify for CL football this coming season then they will be completely fooked.
Vidal will not be coming to LFC anytime soon its just not plausible, and he will not be going anywhere near United either, no Champions league football no Vidal.
ReplyDeleteUnited never stood a chance in getting Vidal, no Champions league football no Vidal simples.
ReplyDeleteThey still might get him though, we don't know.
ReplyDeleteCould be a smokescreen!
ReplyDeleteI like Borini and do not want him to go but 14 mil for a guy who has played only 10-15 games for Liverpool and just scored 2 goals is too hard to refuse and Rodgers knew that. He likes Borini but that offer was just crazy. He has a good work rate and makes clever runs. I would not be too sad if we keep him. Drogba was an amazing player but he definitely cannot play every single game now. Mourinho is playing a very risky game and putting all the eggs into the Costa basket. If he fails, they are basically screwed. Mourinho will regret selling Lukaku.
ReplyDeleteOf course it is still possible, they just need to flash the cash and a deal most probably can be done. Very, very expensive exercise though.
ReplyDeleteVan Gaal: is a wise old fox no doubt but he hasn`t got the one thing all world class players desire, Champions league football so i agree with Loganlfc, there`s no smokescreen its an illusion brought on by a deluded editor/author of a Manchester rag.
ReplyDeleteAs soon as the Lukaku transfer to Everton went through Mourinho made it clear that the player wanted guarantees on playing time. Obviously Mourinho does not want a young player calling the shots. The player and manager obviously did not see eye to eye otherwise Mourinho would never have sent Lukaku on loan.
ReplyDeleteDo you think they care? They're a money machine, and will do anything it takes to get back into the UCL
ReplyDeleteIf Vidal wants to play with Tom Cleverley, Michael Carrick and Phil Jones, let him be.
ReplyDeleteBut back to my point where should they not qualify for CL Football this coming season. The future of their massive commercial funding depends on it.
ReplyDeleteThey can leave the tap running now but the buck has to stop somewhere...
Vidal will go to utd
ReplyDeleteYup, he will will also be having a laugh all the way to the bank and will know he can move on if things do not pan out. Win win for the player.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why I'm saying they'll spend whatever need be to get back into the CL.
ReplyDeleteI for one do not want players who join clubs just for the money when there is no other factor and that is clearly what Vidal will be doing. The players we signed seemed to have a genuine passion for the club and we are in a good position.
ReplyDeleteI think Mourinho`s stubbornness with Lukaku will come back to haunt him, i`m glad Chelsea never kept him, he would have been a top top goalscoring machine for them, i see it as Mourinho`s ( ego) loss and
ReplyDeleteMartinez`s gain.
The jury is out on all the players we have signed so far in this window but yes it seems like we are not running up our wage bill with mercenaries nowadays.
ReplyDeleteI am laughing here thinking how easy it is for somebody to pretend that they are me, but without REASON!! nice try.
ReplyDeleteim not to sure jk plenty of big name players have stalled in the prem ...i watch the Italian leauge and its pedestrian even aquamam looks fast
ReplyDeleteEveryone will see that Can and Markovic are the real deal unlike Aspas they have already shown us glimpses of what`s to come.
ReplyDeleteLukaku wants to be the main man and Everton he will get exactly that. No competition to take his place...
ReplyDeletewe dont need any more mid fielders we need two world class fullbacks a striker and if im honest a goalie as mingo is no better than reina
ReplyDeleteI am very excited about all the players we have signed.
ReplyDeleteunless you have seen them both play in the prem its pure speculation remember veron for utd
ReplyDeletelevezzi is average
ReplyDeletethats what rogers said about allen
ReplyDeleteI agree i hope Moreno comes in and this young kid Manquillo, with hopefully one more signing to come a goalscorer of note, then i think we would be the best team in the premiere league this season no doubt.
ReplyDeleteBut if they were trying to be u without reason wudn that just make them the voice, aaaa but who possibly cud have more reason than u, hmmm robot head explodes
ReplyDeleteThis is going to be a much tougher season as there are many more games to play but with a much bigger squad hopefully we will replicate our EPL form of last season!
ReplyDeleteThe original budget FSG gave Rodgers to spend was £60m, then add £75m from Suarez, £25m from Borini, Assaidi and Lucas (as you said) and £12m from Agger and that's £172m not including Glen Johnson and the massive wages Liverpool would save by selling Suarez, Agger and Johnson. £89m + Vidal + Moreno + Manquillo + Isco (loan) + £15m Striker = about £179m so even with a big marquee signing Liverpool are only £7m over budget (fucking Lallana) but save a ton on wages that can probably recoup it.
ReplyDeleteSomeone with some sense. All I hear are delusional fans expecting Can to be a top class component of our central midfield. Delusional.
ReplyDeleteExcept Sterling and Markovic are widely regarded as young players that will be top class in the near future. Can is regarded as an average player with a bit of potential. See the difference?
ReplyDeleteI personally think after the next reported signings Moreno and Manquillo Lfc will have about £30m to £40m tops to spend on a striker this transfer window, any sales of players now the money will be retained for next season in my opinion. we should be able to amass about 60 to 70m on these players i think at the end of this t,window, Agger £12/15m Borini £12/14m Lucas £12/10m Assaidi £7/6m Johnson £6/5m Allen £8/6m Suso £10/8m Reina £6/5m
ReplyDeleteI'd rather get Pjanic if I'm being honest. Vidal is a world class central midfielder but Pjanic is younger, a better playmaker and is more of what we need. A 3 man midfield of Gerrard, Pjanic and Hendo would be top level and with Lovren and Moreno added to defense I'm pretty sure we'd have a better starting XI than we did even with Suarez
ReplyDeleteWhy can`t he be? whats your argument based on? I would watch and see this season before making assumptions about a player who is yet to kick a ball in the premier league, then you can call other fans deluded if your assessment is proven to be right.
ReplyDeleteBased on the fact that unlike 99% of delusional fans I actually watched Can play last season before he was linked with us. If you expect him to come in here and suddenly be a top class player then you're delusional.
ReplyDeleteI am tempted sometimes.....:-)
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why Vidal would choose Utd. They are a team in a rebuilding phase, and he is a player that is in the prime of his career. Why would he give away a precious season of his peak years to a club with no CL?
ReplyDeleteAnswer: mercenary. Money, money, money!
ReplyDeleteUghh...surely there's another big CL club out there with money that wants him?
ReplyDeleteWell when you put it like that ......
ReplyDeleteI still do not believe that Vidal will join Man Utd. Us fans are a very paranoid bunch. We will not believe anything said about our own club but will readily believe things said about other clubs. Man Utd have great media power and this season was a big setback for them and by posting VIdal links, they are trying to make Man Utd a force again which has worked as people actually take them as a threat. At the end of last season, we were on a roll and people were saying that man utd need 9-10 new players. nobody is saying that anymore even though nothing much has changed. If people were to start watching football just from after the WC, they would think that Liverpool and Man Utd were in reverse positions to the ones they finsihed. Remember, if Van Gaal plays 3 at the back, they could play with a defence of Jones, Smalling and Evans which is a rubbish defence and even if you put Messi there, they will still struggle. So, even if Utd get Vidal though they won't, I will not be worried.
ReplyDeleteBarcelona were after him and seemed to walk away either due to Juventus demanding too much or the player wanting to earn a big pay day.
ReplyDeleteI think playing in a superior team like LFC will bring the best out of him no delusion here just fact.
ReplyDeletePardon me whilst I choke with shock.
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Agree. Pjanic suits us more and is a quality player and will not cost as much as Vidal would.
ReplyDeleteSomeone call an ambulance after you've finished whatever it is you're doing and if you're not doing anything. find something to do....:-).
ReplyDeleteMake sure you get someone to help you...
ReplyDeleteBR was getting 85 million to spend on transfers, not including any sales or Suarez money. He's spent 90 million so far, so should still have around 70 mill + sales. We should be selling Agger (12m), Borini (14m), Assaidi (7m), and hopefully Johnson (12m). That would leave us with over 100 mill still available. 20 m for Moreno and 20 m for Bony. That still would leave 70 mill. I'd then focus on Reus. Can use Ilori as bargaining chip - Dortmund want him to replace Hummels if he goes to Man u. Then I'd also try and get Carvalho - Stevie G's legs can't handle the pace for the whole season and we only have Can as cover. Lucas can be loaned or sold (also too slow) and I read report yesterday saying Sporting would be interested in selling Carvalho for 32 m if can get loan replacement. Loan lucas and buy him, and loan Ilori and buy Reus! That would make 10 buys for the new season, plus one loan - Manquillo - but with Origi staying in Lille we'll have a total of 10 new players to bed in. Some may take some time - carvalho, markovic in particular but no worries. YNWA!
ReplyDeleteWe need people like you on our recruitment team right now! You're wasted as a motinvational speaker.
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You could of said the same for Veron when he signed for Utd,
ReplyDeleteHere was a World Class Player who had won various trophies, had copious international/Champions League experience, a player who Utd broke the British Transfer record to buy yet he had little to no impact.
Exactly.
ReplyDeleteEvery transfer has a element of risk and we have seen a large number of players come over from Serie A as well as other leagues and struggle badly in the prem.
Players like Veron, Shevchenko, Forlan, Rebrov, Albert Luque, Reyes, Kleberson, Kezman, were all sign with great repuatations for big money yet all failed.
They were not bad players but they simply struggled to adapt to the premiership.
On top of that South American players have a tendency not to last long in England. How many South American players have lasted more then 3 years in prem before either moving on or they start to complain about missing their family, the whether, the food etc.
So with that in mind 40+mil for a player who is 27, who will want at least 150k+ per week in wages and will most likely want to move on in a few years and at that age you will struggle to get even a 3rd of the money back you paid for him, that is a very big risk to take.
So I just read this rumour that Liverpool are interested in Cazorla
ReplyDeleteHenry Bergkamp Veron Shevchenko Crespo Rebrov all with as much experience as Vidal. Did they hit the ground running?
ReplyDeleteGerrard is the last of the great midfielders liverpool have had over the decades, Lucas, Hendo or Allen are'nt fit to lace his boots, Vidal is a box to box midfielder, similar to how Gerrard used to be, o.k. big money but you only get what you pay for. I'd love us to go get him, or a world class DM. We're also short of a world class striker too, Falco would, imo, be perfect for our style of play. These two would transform us our team to formidable, but i think thet're out of our reach.
ReplyDeleteNever said we have a bunch of world class midfielders, just said we have depth there.
ReplyDeleteAnd who exactly is it that regards Can that way? I believe over in Germany they rate him extremely highly
ReplyDeleteLets be realistic now. Everyone but Liverpools fans know that Vidal wants the United move. Don't hurt yourselves by getting all your hopes up.
ReplyDeleteReal Madrid made Ozil world class and sold him, same coming with Di Maria. Same with Ibrahimovic and Inter, Man U and Ronaldo...Barcelona sold Sanchez, Arsenal has sold Fabregas Henry Nasri etc., Chelsea and Mata, Bayern sold Kroos and Dortmund Gotze, and on and on. Every club sells eventually because of the amount of player power in the game, and sometimes just to make room for new blood. Robben was Madrid's best player and they sold him and brought in Ronaldo. Selling Suarez doesn't make us a selling club, he was always going to go...what the owners and BR and everyone did to keep him for 1 more season to help fire us into the Champs League and then get a massive price for him so we could strengthen the overall squad was brilliant. Arsenal lost Henry to Barca, and then RVP became the main man...I'm expecting a similar transition to Sturridge, and I don't expect the quality of our play to suffer at all - remember some of those huge wins last year when Suarez didn't score? Man City, Arsenal at home, etc. And best of all we'll be a much much stronger defensive unit IMO, Sakho had his season to bed in and sadly it was injury hit, but now he's fit and comfortable at the club, and Lovren knows the league already - those 2 will be one the of the best CB pairings in the league, and as long as Glen Johnson is either focusing or not playing on the right we'll be very solid. It's just what teams do, eventually you move people along then make the overall squad better with the proceeds.
ReplyDeleteWell there's no reason why Vidal wouldn't give his comments to a newspaper from Chile, if he was going to make any comments. A Croatian newspaper got Lovren's transfer out there first, but that's because they interviewed him. On the other hand, Swiss newspapers were reporting Shaqiri to Liverpool was a done deal, but they weren't quoting him. Probably they knew people would assume they know what they're talking about because they're the home country, so they printed it to sell papers. So was the Chilean paper quoting Vidal, or just saying 'a source'?
ReplyDeleteOf course we could afford him.
ReplyDeleteyou lost me at 12mn for G. Johnson.
ReplyDeleteBenzema, Kheidira, Gaitan, Moreno. I thought about it and realized that if we don't get a top class striker i sense the mistake. it's not gonna work. Why change our power of playing two creative strikers.
ReplyDeleteTo be defensively solid
ReplyDeleteVidal is a totally different type of player to Veron. He thrives on dynamism and a physical battle. Veron has no appetite for a battle and wants too much time and space on the ball to be successful in the prem. I get the point you were making but some players - especially midfielders, just look tailor made for the premier league and Vidal is one of them
ReplyDeleteI said you said we have a bunch of World class midfielders now did I? I said name one, just ONE World class midfielder and you couldn't. Depth is only meaningful when you already have a sorted starting XI, which we don't. We are clearly missing a world class central midfielder if we want to compete.
ReplyDeleteOh really? Is that why Bayern didn't even bother to activate the buy back clause on him? I mean really, what hole do you people crawl out of...
ReplyDeleteYou said "You THINK" and followed that up by saying that it's a FACT. Do you know what the difference between an opinion and a fact is?
ReplyDeleteNo, you didn't say that. But your comment clearly implied that the absence of a world class player means there is no depth. It's easy to name a world class midfielder that we have...Gerrard. His range of passing and ability to spring offensive moves from a deep-lying position is world class, in my opinion. He is not the same time of world class player he once was, bombing around from box to box and scoring amazing goals, but I think he's world class at the passing/offensive aspect of his new job.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'd have to disagree with you about the sorted starting 11, at least in midfield. Your point would work for me if things were completely up in the air, but they're not, it's pretty clear how we're going to lineup. If it's the diamond it will be Coutinho or Sterling at the tip (at least until Lallana comes back, no way to know if he wants Lallana central or wide) with Gerrard and Henderson behind joined by Can or Allen, probably Can. If it's the 4-3-3/4-1-2-3 it's Gerrard and Henderson again, joined by Coutinho if we're playing front foot pressure/counter attacking, Can/Allen again if we're focused more on possession through the middle. Gerrard and Henderson aren't losing their spots and those are the clear options for filling out the rest of the midfield.
What kind of world class central midfielder do you think we need? Defensive, offensive? What role do you think he should fill, exactly? Team ethic is more important than any individual, especially at this club, and BR would never bring in someone just because they're great, he'd bring them in if he had a specific job in mind for them that fits into what he's already doing, he wouldn't change how we play or what formations to accommodate someone like Vidal - he's said as much in his interviews throughout the summer. I wouldn't swap Coutinho in that 4-3-3 role he plays so well (both sides of the ball) and Gerrard isn't going to be replaced like for like by a new signing right now, he's too important psychologically and in terms of his passing - though he might be rotated to get the best out of him, why is one reason we bought Can. BR has a clear vision for the midfield and, for this transfer window at least, I think he's carried it out and I personally like the way it looks. So if, in your words, we're missing a world class central midfielder if we want to compete, what type of midfielder is that exactly and what role should he fill / who will he replace in our current system?
And on the flip side we have effusive praise from Rummenigge, Rudi Voller, Hyppia, and Steffen Freund.
ReplyDeletehttp://talksport.com/football/expert-eye-liverpool-have-signed-incredible-talent-14060694779
And to echo what JK said, these are just a few other points of view...main way is to decide for ourselves in the leadup, and see what happens in the season. I watched him a few times at Bayer and obviously I've seen him throughout preseason and I think he looks a top, top prospect...extremely good and calm on the ball, especially for his age, is very good at making driving runs forward from midfield, and looks to have a good eye for the incisive pass. He's also excellent on the defensive side of things. But...time will tell.
No, my comment was implying that having depth means absolutely nothing if the starting XI aren't up to scratch. The whole point of depth is to have a strong starting XI and good players that can come off the bench and in case of injury. You are literally saying that we've got good players to come off the bench without taking a look at who they are coming on for.
ReplyDeleteAnd I just KNEW you would try to say Gerrard is World class, he is NOT. He was arguably World class in his prime but now? You must have a very loose understanding of what it means to be at that level because he is definitely not there anymore.
In terms of formation we are very unlikely to play a 4-1-2-1-2. If you knew anything about how Rodgers likes to play you'd know we're most likely going to play a 4-3-3 with Gerrard in a deeper role.
And it's obvious that I am talking about a box to box central midfielder. For CAM we have Sterling, Coutinho and Lallana. For CDM we have Gerrard, Lucas and possibly Allen as a 3rd choice. We play with 2 box to box midfielders yet who do we have? Henderson? Ok, that's 1, now who? Can? Allen? Not good enough, see the point?
I doubt Vidal will be coming for a salary less than that of Suarez. And anyway, we haven't sold anyone other than Suarez yet so we can't spend money that isn't there.
ReplyDelete"The original budget FSG gave Rodgers to spend was £60m", you seemed to forget that part.
ReplyDeleteWell there is a reason why he is half the price.
ReplyDeleteBut I am of the belief that Rodgers could make it work with him. After all, Daniel Sturridge was supposed to be a headache to deal and he's seemingly been nothing but a model citizen since he's been here.
Granted, Balotelli is in a category by himself, but again, I think Rodgers could handle it.
Wow george you really don't have a clue about football do you?
ReplyDeleteTop 4 gonna be a struggle for the Kop next season. Don't embarrass English football in the CL please 😱😏
ReplyDeleteLiverpool have never bought ready made superstars
ReplyDeleteThey make them
Fans need to get over themselves if they think they'll spend 40+ million one one player
You seem to forget that 60 million plus 75 million = 135 million and that 89 million plus 16 million (Moreno) plus 50 million (Vidal) = 155 million. Or maybe you just "know" that 155 million is less than 135 million...
ReplyDeleteOh? Are you mad? I just noticed you followed me to the other page. Anyway, "cash another 25 million for Borini, Assaidi and Lucas imo" - you forgot that part as well so that makes it £160m which IS higher than £155m. You also forgot Agger for £12m too.
ReplyDeleteFirst, you'll notice that I did not just say "Steven Gerrard is a world class player". He's older, he's not the same as he once was. I was very clear that he is a world class player only in certain aspects of his game, namely the aspects most important to his deep lying role in a purely offensive sense. To simplify, I said he was a world class passer, not a world class player. And, I'll add, he is a world class set piece taker.
ReplyDeleteHow am I saying we have good players coming off the bench without looking at who they're coming on for? I went through each possible formation noting the probable starting lineups, and made the point that I think we have the right players for our system right now. Not the best players around, but the right ones for BR and how he wants to play.
Regarding the diamond, or 4-1-2-1-2, it's an interesting question and not as black and white as you're putting it. I notice that you didn't give any sort of reason for thinking that, but I'll talk through what I see here. First, I think it's more likely that we'll play the 4-3-3/4-1-2-3 more often because of our new personnel and because it suits our #1 option, the counterattacking high pressing game. But we're still going to play the diamond sometimes, for the exact same reasons we played it last year and also because it suits our personnel - Rodgers uses the diamond when he wants more control of play through the middle, he's stated that clearly. Can's showing through preseason will show Rodgers that he has a reliable and talented third man with Gerrard and Henderson to fill the first "1-2". The other reason I'm positive we'll see the diamond, and not as infrequently as you think, is Lambert. Lambert is a good player and goalscorer, but what impresses me the most about him both in preseason and over the past 2 years is his ability to either 1) get the ball with his back to goal, hold it up, and pass through to someone running from deep or 2) drop deeper, receive the ball, turn and make that incisive pass to another forward or midfield runner.
Regarding the last point, I'm not sure I follow you here. You say we play with 2 box to box midfielders, which would be true in the diamond, but you also say we won't be playing the diamond. I agree that Lucas and Allen aren't good enough, though I think Can is. Let's look at a parallel...last year we didn't have offensive depth - it was basically Moses and Aspas. Neither of those two were capable of making any contribution. Allen and Lucas might not be up to the standard that we'd all like, but they're both more than capable of doing a job for the team (Allen more so than Lucas IMO). And after how hard Henderson has worked and how well he's done, no shot BR will bring in a big money buy to replace him and stick him on the bench. He might buy another Can type of player, young and good and promising, but he won't buy a Vidal. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to have Vidal, of course I would, but it's not going to happen and I don't believe we need him either. We don't have a midfield packed with superstars, but we have a midfield that works very well within our system and trusts BR and BR trusts them, and that's more important than bringing in some superstar just for the sake of it.
Remember how our midfield overran teams like Arsenal, Tottenham, Man U, etc last year? Our defense is what needs help, now that we have Lovren just the flanks, that's what we should be thinking about.
Your statement clearly said that Liverpool didnt have depth. You even added a question mark. Maybe don't be so sarcastic and condescending and maybe you won't have to flip flop your argument and come off as a compete retard. Name a world class player? The entire midfield played in the WORLD CUP. Last time I checked that was World class. Last time I checked Gerrard was considered world class by everyone in football. Last time I checked all you said was something and in your very next comment said that isn't what I said is it?!!! NO ITS NOT!!!! EVEN THOUGH I USE THOSE EXACT WORDS I DIDNT SAY THAT!!!Your to stupid to differentiate between Class and Depth, both of which Liverpool just spent 120 mill on. NOW CLEALRY you just said the starting XI isn't up to stratch it's right there I can still see it. So clearllllllly that isn't what you ment right? Again? Your just contradicting yourself AGAIN? They finished second basically without a sub, qualified for CL and made us mountains of cash WITHOUT A SUB! ON A PAYROLL CHEAPER THAN THE CHELSEAN RESERVES!! This starting 11 basically walked on for there international squads two months ago and there not up to scratch? Please feel free to tell me "WHAT YOU MENT" because obviously when you say the starting 11 isn't up to scratch, your not saying that at all..now are you?
ReplyDeleteWe can spend money that isn't there thought because the owner gave it to him. He isn't even suppose to get all the money from Suarez right away but he's been giving it by the owner. He can give BR as much as he wants and as long as he thinks he's doing good and making good business choices he will continue too. He is buying young players who stock will continue to rise given they get playing time. Not to mention numerous cheques that people don't consider. Just making it to CL is worth 3 players. Liverpool could still buy any player they want.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe Can will be an over night sensation but he like others have in the past does have the scope to build into a very good player at the club given time.
ReplyDeleteYou like myself sound unhappy at what players have been bought so its only fair who were your preferred targets?
There's an old saying that 10% of your people take up 90% of your time. Why would you want BR spending 90% of his time thinking about Bawlotelli when he has a host of new players, a bunch of young guys that need real leadership and 4 tourneys to think through? Just forget Bawlotelli. He's over-rated as hell. He was nothing special on the pitch tonight. He's living on 90% hype and soon he'll fade away. Just quit talking about him.
ReplyDeleteDefine Liverpool because I can't think of any Liverpool fan I know of that thinks we need yet another mid-fielder. If Cazorla can play LB...well then maybe.
ReplyDeleteBut we haven't sold Borini, Lucas and Assaidi so that money cannot be spent on a player right now can it? See, in the big people world, you have to pay the moneys when you want to buy something. It's not that you can walk into a Mercedes dealership and say: "I'd like the 300SLK over there Sir because I intend on being a millionaire some day". I followed you were? Are you paranoid? Did the voices tell you I did that?
ReplyDeleteFSG are not Abramovic
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with Liverpool fans actually want him or not, I'm simply stating I read a rumour.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but from what I've seen of Rickie Lambert, thus far, (and of Fabio Boriini, previously), it seems to me that our priority needs to be another quality striker. If Sturridge gets hurt or needs a rest, and all we have to rely on is Lambert/Boriini we are in serious trouble. You could make a "hybrid"/amalgamation out of the two of them and STILL wouldn't have the ingredients for a genuine quality striker, sufficient to suit our needs.
ReplyDeletehes playing at snails pace italy there have been many a so called warrior who have folded at the pace of the prem
ReplyDeleteOr you could just quit discussing him with me.
ReplyDeleteI don't have a problem with you point of view, and I'd even go so far to say there's a good chance your correct.
I simply disagree.
Yes yes! 50m for a 27-year old player in MF when it's quite clear that we need another central striker and have already made signings all across the pitch.
ReplyDeleteJaimie K everything you write is a load of shite, how do you sleep at night when you're brain is made of wank
ReplyDeleteThere you go.....and 7 months on from our little one-two we're seeing Can is awesome.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reminder buddy. We both obviously saw something in the lad!
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