4/06/2013 07:39:00 pm

You're Out: Molby warns €20m star that his 'LFC career is over'. Agree...?

After on-loan Liverpool striker Andy Carroll scored two goals for West Ham last weekend, Hammers boss Sam Allardyce described the £35m striker's performance as 'the best since he's been here', and admitted that there is a 'possibility' that West Ham would sign him permanently at the end of the season. Speculation this week suggests that Carroll could be on his way back to Anfield in the summer, but Reds legend Jan Molby is convinced that Carroll's Liverpool career is already at an end.

In his column for the Liverpool Echo yesterday, Molby conceded that Carroll 'is a handful' and 'frightens defenders', but he ultimately concluded that there's probably no way back for the £35m signing. He observed:

"It looks as though Andy Carroll’s Liverpool career is over. The signs are that he simply doesn’t fit into Rodgers’ plans, not now and not ever.

"Whilst I understand the decision made by Brendan Rodgers, I can’t help thinking the big man may be worth another chance at Anfield"


Molby's view matches that of former Reds midfielder Jamie Redknapp, who, earlier this week, told the Daily Mail:

"He [Carroll] looked a top-class centre forward on loan at West Ham on Saturday, but I don’t see him having a future at Liverpool. If they don’t think he’s worth £15million, somebody else surely must"

When asked about Carroll's situation in his pre-West Ham press conference on Friday, Brendan Rodgers subtly made it clear that the big man doesn't have a first team future at Liverpool. Rodgers repeatedly made reference to Carroll scoring goals from 'set-plays' and 'crosses' lumped into the box, and I believe he was indirectly suggesting this style of play - which is not the Liverpool way of playing - is what suits Carroll. He added:

“With every player it is about the style, and how they fit into that. There is no doubt Andy has real qualities – some of his goals from set plays with West Ham have proven that. There is the financial aspect to it. He won’t be leaving on the cheap. The club can’t have that money sat on the bench, in terms of what Andy cost and his wages.”

It doesn't matter what Carroll does, he is just not a Brendan Rodgers-type player, and considering the LFC boss's philosophy is basically pass and move, i.e. the Liverpool way of playing, that means Carroll is not an LFC-type player.

I agree with Rodgers' stance on Carroll 100%. Forget this 'Plan B' nonsense - Carroll just doesn't have the basic technical tools to thrive at Anfield, and the sooner he moves on, the better.

It's deflating to see big, lumbering target men flailing around upfront for Liverpool. I felt the same when the Reds signed Emile Heskey, Erik Meijer (!), and to an extent, Peter Crouch, but unlike Carroll, Crouch had the technical ability to bring something to the team.

A Carroll return to LFC would be a retrograde step in the club's forward progression (IMO), and I hope Rodgers sticks to his guns when the summer transfer window comes around. The club needs all the money it can get this summer, and £17m (€20m) from the Carroll sale would help the club buy more players suited the Rodgers' preferred style of play.



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65 Comments :

Akshay said...

sell him and lets get christian eriksen. nuff said. Sell Coates and Wilson and lets get de Vrij, nuff said. Sell borini, spearing, assaidi, shelvey, pacheco and lets get benteke. nuff said.. remaining money lets get ince or weinnman.

Stanley said...

£12m that all Liverpool will get.

Alix said...

we seriously need a central defender, a midfielder, a winger and a striker. The perfect players to arrive are De Vrij, Alonso, Eriksen, Benteke and a back up like ince or weinnman. Approximately 50m will have to be spent on the above players. For sale, Carroll, Wilson, Spearing, pacheco, Coates, borini, shelvey, assaidi could fetch a combined fee of 40m. Seems possible...

gilstrap said...

why shoot a man then throw him out the plane....bane had it figured...as with carroll why pay 15m when the manger says he doesn't want him ....no bids and 6-8 m will be enough with us paying part of his wages...you read it here first campers...what even more ridiculous is rogers attempt to kid the football world that he rates him and wont sell cheap....

Jason Carr said...

lol lfc do not get any set pieces rodgers is becoming comical one minute hes saying theres a way back the next he says something differnet i wish andy was playing tomorrow and he had got a hatrick and been subbed after 70 minutes and walked of and nutted rodgers then lfc went on 2 win 4/3 whilst rodgers was in the treatment room sorry but every time rodgers opens his mouth a just see cartoon bubbles full of shit

Jason Carr said...

rodgers is a tool and not a sharp one either

Jason Carr said...

nuff said

liverpool4life565 said...

I agree, if west ham stay up then take the 17 million and run! Aha! He doesn't suit our style of play...

liverpool4life565 said...

Carroll wanted first team? Rodgers sent him out on loan, it benefited both sides, we got 80k of our books and Carroll got first team., "nutted rodgers" what are you on about? Why would Carroll nut him? When he wanted first team... You make no sense.

Jason Carr said...

west ham owe us nothing rodgers is just driving the price down its just another thing hes a genius at

Jason Carr said...

nutted because it mite make andy feel better about the way hes been treated by rodgers it would certainly make my day i bet hendo and a few other players would find it quite poetic justice to

liverpool4life565 said...

West ham want Carroll? Agreed before the loan deal on 17 million, like Rodgers said, Carroll won't be sold for nothing. So your talking rubbish.

JD said...

Just wondering why in the headline you state the price in euro's yet throughout the article you refer to any sums in pounds?

Seems a strange choice as it lessens your accuracy as €20m is in fact about £17.6m and not £15m.


Thought I'd point that out to you JK.

Jason Carr said...

you do live in gaga land dont you the moon is made of cheese

liverpool4life565 said...

You talk utter rubbish seriously, seriously, there a agreement already in place even west ham owners have said and Sam.

liverpool4life565 said...

Yeah because violence solves everything doesn't it.. Carroll wouldn't do that, 1-Carroll wanted a loan 2-Rodgers was straight with him from the start 3-it benefited carrolls career to go on loan rather than warm the bench.

Jason Carr said...

but they do not have to buy him you retard

JD said...

Get off football manager son and get into the real world. I like the fact you're so sure about who will be 'perfect' players and who should be sold.


Get your CV off to the Liverpool scouting department - I am sure they're busy doing nothing and are desperate for a world class scout like yourself.

Jason Carr said...

violence does not solve everything sometimes it just makes you feel better

Jake said...

that would be a couple of interesting arrivals which would lift our team.

De Vrij - young, international, captain and european quality. potentially worldclass

Alonso - worldclass and nothing more to add

Eriksen - quality attacker who can eventually replace Mr. Fantastic. Can also play a free role or a winger

Benteke - too early to judge, but nonetheless a quality striker. Other options can be Alexis Sanchez, Shurrle, Mario Gomez or Lewandowski

Ince - could be a quality addition to our flanks. ability to score and I have no doubt that he will displace downing. I would choose him over weinmann. Will come on cheap also. He will also allow us to send sterling on loan for experience to another premiership side like WBA or Stoke.

Jake said...

i think he will not be able to play against liverpool.

JD said...

Not all tools need to be sharp to do their jobs.


Rodgers is far from driving his price down either, just that people like you twist things to suit your viewpoint.


Can you honestly say that from your point of view (sitting in front of a pc typing insults and rubbish) that you have any clue as to what goes on behind the scenes at the club? Have you monitored every movement of his time at West Ham like the club has? Did you happen to be a fly on the wall at any recent meetings with his representatives?


I'm guessing not.


So I am guessing your comments are based on your agenda rather than fact.

Nathan said...

As unfashionable as this sounds, Liverpool's priorities in the transfer window are not an exciting playmaker or winger, the fact is we have only one genuine left back at the club and Jose Enrique is a player who suffers badly when overplayed. Our second choice keeper is one of the worst I have ever seen at Anfield. These are the positions in need of urgent attention. I would opt for Luke Shaw at Southampton and a veteran like Given as no 2 keeper. Signing Ince is a no brainer as we reportedly have a 35% sell on fee which would significantly enhance our ability to outbid even the most determined of rivals. After that I would make Chelsea a serious offer of waiving the outstanding £15m for the Torres deal in exchange for his return. Selling Carroll would more than recoup this outlay and Torres has both the physicality and skill to fit in with the new pattern of play and offer tactical alternatives. The centre of defence appears to be a simple matter of selling Skrtel and recruiting a replacement for a similar fee, then giving Wisdom and Kelly an opportunity to play the 30 or so games that Carra and Coates have covered.

liverpool4life565 said...

And what will that prove? Nothing at end of the day just a court date :)

liverpool4life565 said...

West ham have the deal all done, it's down to Carroll and if west ham stay up,I'm talking facts.

Jake said...

I do not believe we urgently need a leftback as Robinson is an interesting option. Furthermore with the return of Kelly and Wisdom, Johnson can cover for the leftback as we all have seen him excel in this position. I wouldn't mind having torres back in the team instead of Benteke and if we can get him for 15m, then it is worthy gamble. Afterall quality never dies. I sincerely believe his heart just isn't at stamford bridge. As for the keeper, Gulasi is pretty promising and he should be given some games. Given also is an interesting answer. However I also believe having Alonso and especially Eriksen in the team would lift our quality. Players like Henderson and Allen will benefit from Xabi's experience. Coates has been constantly unconvincing and I do not think selling Skrtel is a good idea. I agree he has underperformed this season, but let's not forget he has been our player of the season last year and he still has the quality. Our safer bet would be to keep him, sell coates and get a new CB like de Vrij, Lovren or Shawcross.

Jake said...

Also if we were to get a new leftback, I would go for Santon of Newcastle. I like the player. :)

lowey said...

heskey was a great player for Liverpool. carroll will be someone elses gain.
oh wait we will keep borini instead............. BS !!

kunle said...

its obvious your football knowlegde is shallow

gilstrap said...

lol

Jason Carr said...

ok i will say if rodgers was a tool he would be a spanner

Jason Carr said...

rodgers on tv more he would love it win win situation

gilstrap said...

JD soon as a manger says a player doesnt suit his system the price goes down

Jason Carr said...

your talking bollocks west ham can refuse the fee simple why have they been trawling the world for a forward

gilstrap said...

wilson free ....jay and pacheco ..peanuts......we would struggle to get 25m for these players ...that might just pay for benteke

gilstrap said...

i dont care what was agreed ,,,even if the pope rubber stamped it westham will not pay 17m for carroll,,,,,,

gilstrap said...

it solved the second world war

kunle said...

Tbh i would rather have carroll than borini,but he is on 80k a week and we cant have that on the bench thats the problem..carroll offers more than borini would ever will

gilstrap said...

heres why carroll will go cheap..1) hes on 80 g a week 2) rogers has told the world he doesn't suit us 3) he loaned him out without playing him 4) we are desperate for funds 5) rogers says he wont go cheap

Niall O'Reilly said...

Torres is gone...Hes lost his pace.His touch has never been that good and outright skill is something he doesn't have in abundance,The Torres we had was a clinical finisher with outright pace,with that pace gone hes only half the player,Benteke is the player to put the £15m towards,Scored a good goal again today

Niall O'Reilly said...

What world are you living in? Its not the one the rest of are in thats for sure

bloodred said...

Carrolls' leaving. Simply as that..

OriginalChan said...

That was media waffle in the summer, where there was a thing going about Hammers being forced to buy Carroll for £17m, if they stay up. But you say 'facts', so show us this credible source for these so-called facts that West Ham are obliged to pay £17m for Carroll if they stay up.


As far as I'm aware they have a option to buy him for £17m but they are not obliged to.

We should have taken the transfer bid they made in the summer. But now, after his injuries and his average form on loan, they won't buy him for £17m.

JD said...

Ah right and this is proven fact is it? Perhaps, just perhaps a deal may have been stuck already and Rodgers is just saying the obvious, safe in the knowledge a fee and deal is wrapped up giving him additional funds in the summer.


And here we have Rodgers, ah yes, Brendan. His actions, his words are oh so damaging to Andy Carroll's potential value - 'how can he say these things, doesn't he realise the harm it's causing us!!??' you cry, again not realising that the guy is a professional who knows more about the game than any of us ever possibly could.


each of us has an opinion. yours is equally as valid as mine or anyone's.


Even if I disagree with it and think it makes you sound like you have less brain cells than I have fingers.


















(And if the figure 10 pops into your head first then my point is proven.)

JD said...

Got anything to stitch up my sides? You're just too funny.

foxy said...

he always uses misleading headlines knowing very well that mentioning £35 million would give away the article is about carroll which is a subject which just bores most fans senseless another useless pointless article by someone with far too much time on his hands

jjj jo said...

I think we shouldnt miss out on some belgian this summer coz they have been producing talents rit now. We should buy benteke,and aldeweireld before we missed out on spurs and everton again! bout this carroll thing,i think he dserves a chance but rodgers must decide based on his progress. i think hell be out.

Kareem Aidonia Parks said...

we shall take 20 mill for him

Jaimie K said...

Carroll's fee is £17m; €20m is roughly £17m. The £15m figure is what Redknapp said; it's not the widely reported figure LFC want for Carroll.


I use Euros because after UK visitors, the majority of people who come to this site are from the EU. There's no big mystery.

BMcD said...

Jason car - just out of interest lad, who would you have as Liverpool manager? And how would you recruit him?

Angelos said...

Carroll can have a big future in LFC and Coates as well (they never had a proper chance under Rodgers) and Skrtel is a very good player but I can accept that he can leave if a good offer comes. Shelvey is a very good player and maybe we have to send him on loan, but not sell him (maybe we can send on loan and Coates). Pacheco cannot make the big breakthrough and Assaidi has wonderful technique, but seems like he is not what we need and Borini too. Spearing is not a player for Liverpool and for Wilson we'll just never learn...

Greg said...

Concentrate on first eleven players and use some of what is running around as depth no point worrying about getting players who rarely would get a run.
If you think Jones is so bad maybe u should open your eyes i have seen a lot worse keepers at Liverpool.

rubyrm said...

I have to agree on this. But who will pay that sum for him.
Between. Apparently there is a clause in his contract that states WHU pay 1mil to Liverpool if they do not drop out of PL.

Pete said...

I'd give Carroll until at least January next season to prove he has some sort of worth to the team, only for one reason and that is because BR's handling of players is extremely negligent. The way he initially treated Carroll, Downing and Henderson is unacceptable IMO. Especially when someone like Allen is prioritised and held above the rest.

Carroll is no world beater, especially for 35m, but at times he can be useful in link up play and he is always a threat from set pieces, he can make darting runs into the box and give wide players more options. Okay he has different qualities, but to suggest he cannot play for the club because of "The Liverpool way" is ridiculous.


Up the the manager though.

The good times are back said...

Carroll cost the club 35 million pounds. Not for one second do I think LFC will let Carroll go for less than half his purchase price so I am pretty sure there is a clause saying that West Ham have the first option to buy with a set price..


It was like when we sold Torres to Chelsea. FSG 'told' Abramovich that he would have to pay the transfer fee for Carroll plus an extra 15 million pounds on top of that so FSG will pretty much make sure that we get as much as possible for Carroll hence Rodgers saying that Carroll will not go for cheap.


Newcastle also want to take him back so there could end up being a bidding war between them and West Ham and who knows, Tony Pullis might just join in on that battle too so Carroll will definitely be sold but whoever wants him will need to dig deep into their pockets.

Jason Carr said...

last post before todays game rodgers should keep the same starting line up as last week injuries permitting i predict goals goals goals

Jason Carr said...

he will not thats why i said it

Ruari MacPherson said...

yes and then what happens when someone gets injured cause we will only just have a big enough squad to fill the bench and field

Ani Zanz said...

SELL HIM ASAP.....Next season LFC must clear out Andy Carroll,Fabio Borini, Steward Downing,Martin Skrtel, Oussama Assaidi,Dani Pacheco and Danny Wilson.Dangerous to keep too many burden into the clubs.Clear out and you will be freedommfor your life.

Rosedivine Phiri said...

I dnt aggree wit u Lawro either,A.Carrol wz nt properly managed under Dalgish era bt he deserves anda chance at Anfield jst luk at hz goals lst wikend

Rosedivine Phiri said...

Which premier league side wil entertain splashn 20 m for Carrol,Rodgers must jst tek bk Carrol en use hm as an impact sub en start hm in cup games regardless of hm sayn dt he dz nt fit hz system he cn oso score wit hz feet

Redder said...

I don't understand rogers not even giving Carroll a fair chance , but sticking with Allen and borini who both fall short of what is required at a field . He just doesn't want to lose face

Rosedivine Phiri said...

I dnt agree wit u ann zansi wt eva ur nem is Borini hz bein injured 4 most parts of the season so wts de logic in us selling hm afta playn 4 less than half a season en hw much wil we gt 4hm?Carrol shd b given anada chance hz great in de air en hz improvn wit hz feet,Ges wt weneva Liverpool hv a corner a free kick whu gts at de end of de supply Agger or Skirtel we nid hz physical presenc, hz hold up play en hz aerial threat 2 bully stubborn defences lyk Stoke,Westham etc BR jst dislikes hm en wts de point of hm praisn de players afta de stalemate wit West ham

Jaimie K said...

With respect, can you write complete sentences and ditch the txt spk please. Thanks.

Heyitsonlyme said...

lol

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