Chelsea boss Rafa Benitez has accused Alex Ferguson of lacking 'education' after the Manchester United boss refused to shake his hand ahead of yesterday's FA Cup quarter final at Old Trafford. Ferguson is one of football's biggest hypocrites, and by refusing the handshake, he simply underlined that fact once again.
Former Liverpool manager Benitez waited to shake Ferguson’s hand prior to kick-off, but in a trademark display of crass rudeness, the Scot simply ignored him.
Then, when asked by a photographer if he would shake Benitez's hand, the United manager barked: 'no'. After the game, Benitez explained:
“Ask him. I was waiting, there was nothing wrong. You have to ask him [why he didn’t shake hands]. Ask him. You are brave enough, ask him. I have some education. I was waiting, I have education because I know a lot of people are watching, so I know what you have to do.”
Given his scathing reaction last year to Luis Suarez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand, Ferguson's hypocrisy is simply breathaking. After the incident in February 2012, the United boss raged:
"I just could not believe it [when Suárez refused to shake hands]. Patrice and I had a chat this morning and he said: 'I’m going to shake his hand, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I’m going to keep my dignity.’ And he [Suárez] refuses. He is a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club.
“That player should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again. The history that club has got and he does that. It could have caused a riot. I was really disappointed in that guy. It was a terrible start to the game, and it created a terrible atmosphere.”
As usual, one rule for Ferguson and one rule for everyone else, but using the very same logic, Ferguson is surely a 'disgrace' to Manchester United for refusing to shake Benitez's hand.
The 'history that club has got' and he does that? It was a 'terrible way to start the game', and it 'created a terrible atmosphere'. Clearly, that manager should 'not be allowed' to manage Manchester United again'.
Reds legend Steve McMahon summed it up with the following tweet:
"How dare Ferguson have a go at Suarez for not shaking hands with Evra when he can snub Benitez. Double standards don't you think"?
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Former Liverpool manager Benitez waited to shake Ferguson’s hand prior to kick-off, but in a trademark display of crass rudeness, the Scot simply ignored him.
Then, when asked by a photographer if he would shake Benitez's hand, the United manager barked: 'no'. After the game, Benitez explained:
“Ask him. I was waiting, there was nothing wrong. You have to ask him [why he didn’t shake hands]. Ask him. You are brave enough, ask him. I have some education. I was waiting, I have education because I know a lot of people are watching, so I know what you have to do.”
Given his scathing reaction last year to Luis Suarez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand, Ferguson's hypocrisy is simply breathaking. After the incident in February 2012, the United boss raged:
"I just could not believe it [when Suárez refused to shake hands]. Patrice and I had a chat this morning and he said: 'I’m going to shake his hand, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I’m going to keep my dignity.’ And he [Suárez] refuses. He is a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club.
“That player should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again. The history that club has got and he does that. It could have caused a riot. I was really disappointed in that guy. It was a terrible start to the game, and it created a terrible atmosphere.”
As usual, one rule for Ferguson and one rule for everyone else, but using the very same logic, Ferguson is surely a 'disgrace' to Manchester United for refusing to shake Benitez's hand.
The 'history that club has got' and he does that? It was a 'terrible way to start the game', and it 'created a terrible atmosphere'. Clearly, that manager should 'not be allowed' to manage Manchester United again'.
Reds legend Steve McMahon summed it up with the following tweet:
"How dare Ferguson have a go at Suarez for not shaking hands with Evra when he can snub Benitez. Double standards don't you think"?
REMINDER: Any post personally insulting Ferguson will be deleted. Discuss/condemn etc by all means, but please keep it civil.
Jaimie Kanwar
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How are these incidents similar? They didn't shake hands and that's about it. But SAF didn't racially abuse Rafa and refuse to take a hand offered to him did he? You lot make me laugh. Clutching at straws.
ReplyDeleteSuppose it may have been a "Evra why are you lying like a bitch saying I said it over 10 times and somehow there was no TV evidence' sort of situation in Suarez's eyes
ReplyDeleteslurfucking face the uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bastard!
ReplyDeleteFergie criticised Suarez for not shaking hands in quotes in article, so it is pretty hypocritical
ReplyDeleteold whiskey nose wakes up with his hands shakin !think rafa got off lighty and he didnt have to smell his breath either .count your blessing rafa. but hes still a c"nt and no manners and how the f"ck he got a knighthood hes a disgrace and has paid more fines to the fa and eufa than any other manager in history .there will be some street partys when he and maggie pop there clogs
ReplyDeleteGreat article for a civilised debate. For me he is a disgrace especially him being a sir, classless. He should be creating a good respectful impression for the younger generation.
ReplyDeleteThe man (sir my arse) has spent a large part of his life being a hypocrite. We should never deny his credentials as a football manager,but as representative of one of the biggest sporting clubs in the world he has had many many shortcomings,even with his own players. A truly ignorant man (a press conference has just come to mind where he forgot his mic was still on and he demanded of a female member of staff to GET a journalist who dared ask a question he didn't like), his arrogance has belittled his roots.
ReplyDeleteWhat an incredibly weak article. Only fueling the belief Liverpool are obsessed with Manchester United. Won't get that 2 minutes back. Rabid, pig ignorant and Stultifyingly ill informed
ReplyDeleteGreat points and there will be many more
ReplyDeleteFergie is a bully, if he can't get his own way he tends to use childlike qualities. refusing to talk to the BBC, banning reporters for asking questions, bullying officials into a state of bias, outright rude and aggressive towards anyone who challenges him, and yes your right he is the biggest hyprocrite in football management.
ReplyDeleteThe man needs to get a grip of himself and understand that there are kids watching his idiotic behavior which he likes sharing with the public, and someone decided it would be a good idea to give him a knighthood? Arise Sir Aint got no class FergieSon...
taggart would be the first to say "win with grace and dignity in defeat". yet he shows none in either instance. boo hoo hoo! he was to 'distraught' to give a required interview after the brilliant madrid defeat. what would he say if it was another manger,who refused to fulfil his obligations? he can't stand that rafa gave him some stick(quite correctly). taggart is a jumped up, odious individual, who needs to be taken down several notches.
ReplyDeleteseveral feet would do me approx 6
ReplyDeleteYes, he also did this in the 1986 WC as manager of Scotland in the last group stage game after being eliminated. He snobed the handshake with the Uruguayan coach. A disgrace he is indeed
ReplyDeleteof course, completely different when Fergie does it, I feel bad now for forgetting that golden rule. If you read the report, which clearly you didn`t Evra also admitted racially abusing Suarez before Suarez did him, but don`t let facts get in the way of things
ReplyDeletemaybe hes got something against people from uruaguay
ReplyDeleteThe article is completely relevant to Liverpool, given that Ferguson said Suarez shouldn't be allowed to play for Liverpool again for not shaking hands.
ReplyDeleteOnce again whiskey nose has highlighted what a hypocritical tool he is with his own actions, but I'll be surprised if there's a journalist with enough backbone to highlight the hypocracy in a press conference with him.
the honours system should be abolished. what next? 'sir' ryan giggs!?
ReplyDeleteYou are CLUTCHING AT STRAWS. What Suarez did was wrong, but given the fact he had a lot more reason to refuse evra given his anger at the guy, what ferguson did was unacceptable and unclled for, and if he can't ignore and push aside that 'facts' rant from ages ago, then that's his problem.Rafa and fergie don't like each other, but that's absolutely no excuse, you still shake his hand. Ferguson was disrespectful and petulant, and made rafs look the bigger man. You're another example of man utd fans blindly supporting fergie. You guys always seem to pull bullshit out of your arse every time fergie stuffs up. The point of this is, fergie is massively hypocritical, and you've attempted to deflect that away to the incomparable contexts.
ReplyDeleteYep it is very hypocritical, but this happens a lot, not just him in fairness but I see so many managers moaning about not getting a pen etc, then when they get one which wasn`t actually one, they are happy with it, and use the line, I didn`t see it. Fergie in this case lacked class, as he is mean`t to set a example, but he failed to do so. Personally I`m not that into the shaking hands thing until after a game, but as he did very loudly have ago at Suarez for not doing it, even though some camera angles make it look like Evra actually pulled his hand away first, he should maybe now never manage utd again, if he followed his own rules.
ReplyDeleteFergie has been pulling these tricks for 20 years though, and we all know in the grand scheme of things, it wont make any difference. It is the freedom you gain from winning, you get to say and act as you want, with very little chance of anything happening, as the powers that be don`t like rocking the gravy boat to much, unless its really forced on them.
Did you actually read the report on what happened?
ReplyDeleteNot shaking hands is about where the similarities end.
Absolutely ... and until alex f*ing ferguson is still somehow involved in football premier league , FA , and English football will be a disgrace in eyes of europian and world football . That sh*it guy a.f must disappear from football world.
ReplyDeleteyep for services rendered to the paparazzi
ReplyDeleteHa, ha, ha. So alike with SAF.
ReplyDeleteWhat this proves to me are three things:
ReplyDelete1. Fergie has targeted Suarez from the beginning and with every chance he gets, he sleighs him with vengeance!
2. He has the FA in his pocket!
3. Benitez DOES get up his nose!
I find this hilarious to be honest and want Benitez Chelsea to smash them on the return leg!
YNWA
I think some one who points the splinter in someone's eyeand forget about the log in their own, should no longer be allowed to manage one of the great clubs. Hopefully all the great clubs don't have personnel who have "small" mentality.
ReplyDeleteEvra did not racially abuse Suarez and to say so is an absolute lie. Read the report. You're delusional.
ReplyDeleteSome of the rubbish spouted on here is laughable.
The fact the owner of this blog has to put up a notice saying "REMINDER: Any post personally insulting Ferguson will be deleted. Discuss/condemn etc by all means, but please keep it civil" says it all really.
Unable to make reasoned arguments and pertinent points without resorting to lies, petty insults, and swearing.
You sully the name of a great football club and institution like Liverpool and that's coming from a United fan...!
For me the worst thing he's done is when he accused Rafa of "showing contempt", "having no humility" and talking about his arrogance.. when he shook his hands a little when we scored vs blackburn.
ReplyDeletejust read a report on it in the Guardian and it has made me very angry. The way he coordinated with allardyce to comment on something nothing to do with him is pitiful..
Whats more, i remember watching premier league years (top program) and when united were close to winning the league and score in one match he runs on to the pitch swinging his arms about shouting thats it its over. And that is for the league not just one match. Its so hypocritical its unbelievable!
Quotes from ferguson on the issue: "I think you should respect a manager. I don't think you'd ever get me doing something like that - you won't. You have to have humility."
I wouldn't have shaken his greasy hands either...Benitez is a worm! screw wither or not it was furgie wouls you have shaken the hands of a man hwho doesn't deserve any respect?
ReplyDeletealso furgie hates the FA and often publically slates them one thing I don't agree to is that he has them in his pockets...
ReplyDeleteanother quote from ferguson about the "small club" saga (benitez talking about everton).
ReplyDelete"Irrespective of what Rafael Benítez says, they are a big club. He called them a small club, which just points to his arrogance."
I'd like to compare this to ferguson's comments about city when they were coming up (noisy neighbours and all that). And also his comments about liverpool now.
The man is a disgrace. how he got knighted ill never know: yes he is extremely successful, but i think he was very lucky to come through when he did and that united had success when they did: at the start of the premier league era. United got the most of the money when it was being injected to football. Arguably it has been the easiest era to win trophies: it's all about the money involved and less about development and management. This is obvious now from where chelsea and city have come from. United were just the first team with more money.
Look! it's not rocket science, let me help you understand, if a person refuses to shake the hand of another person it is sometimes known as a refusal to shake hands.
ReplyDeleteIt does not matter, who said this and who said that, or he hit me first. The facts are the facts, Fergie school yard mentality is poor considering he is a pensioner with years of life experience!!!
Hope this clears up your confusion...!!!
Steve always played second fiddle to the great Robbo. He obviously has some way to go before he does a decent job as an analyst. I suggest u shut your trap and support your club which is in dire need of support. A piece of advice, stop judging others, put your shop in place and while you're at it, please take a good look at the league table.
ReplyDelete@ alphars Go....back to ur CAVE.
ReplyDeletefergie is no sir or gentleman, him and jose kiss ass because there to scared of each other in a media battle. rafa is victimised by them both but more so fergie.
ReplyDeletethe day fergie is out of football the better for everyone, cant wait for the legacy to end, with the likes of Ferdinand evra gone. pair of racists who cant be touched because ..................
People like Alphars have no sense of manner,character cause he's an alpha,go back to ur CAVE,not gonna waste my time on u,gaming make more sense than you.
ReplyDeleteFerguson criticised him for not shaking hands, when this happened he didn't mention the racial abuse. (As if shaking the hand would of cancelled the abuse anyway)
ReplyDeleteSo talking about the incident Ferguson took anger to, (no handshake) he's a hypocrite.
Oh and don't tell people how to treat their great institution. Patronisation is a great way to win an argument. Do everyone a favour and F**k off your embarrassing your fans.
so he didnt abuse jimmy floyd hasselback when they were drawn against cheaLsea a black man calling another blck man a n""ger evra is a two faced p"ick
ReplyDeleteyes but it wont be 4 football maybe 4 incence it he from wales or rochdale
ReplyDeleterobson great he was never f"uckin fit f"ckin hell darren anderson played more than him he should be labaled sick note
ReplyDeleteYou want to talk about facts - how about the fact that Rafa offerred Sir Alex support 'of any sort' when his grandchild was hospitalized in a Liverpool hospital. Then to turn around and NOT shake his hand - that's beyond hypocritical, it's pathetic.
ReplyDeleteYou're right - it won't happen; Fergie will ban that journalist and the Network that he works for.
ReplyDeletegreat post but dont call that man SIR
ReplyDeletewtf are u on
ReplyDeletegreen i think
ReplyDeleteare u from nogsie stay of the backie m8
ReplyDeletesorry jk should ave not called ferguson a cunt but when u have 1st hand experince like i have u would know i am right
ReplyDeleteIt's petty and classless, but Ferguson always has been.
ReplyDeleteI don't care. It is insignificant and just feeds into this infernal cannibalistic culture of football fans going 'Ferguson didn't shake hands, he's awful', 'but what about Suarez?' blah blah. Your-club-is-worse-than-my-club-type-shite.
It is one of Ferguson's great strengths his lack of conscience (relatively speaking, it isn't like he's a rapist). Benitez himself said that his relationship with Fergie used to be cordial until we started challenging them. Then Ferguson turned the screws. The same has happened in reverse with Wenger- he had a terrible relationship with Fergie, but as the rivalry faded, due to Arsenal's decline, so too did the animosity. He isn't afraid to violate social contracts in order to get an advantage, and we've seen him benefit from this many times over the years.
More fool the other managers from not seeing through the transparent bollocks.
One addendum: Fergie gets on with Mourinho (nowadays, let's fondly remember Porto...), because Jose is subservient and has a naked desire to succeed Fergie at Man U.
ReplyDeleteIt was also a disgrace seeing Ferguson lose it during and after the CL game against Real Madrid. In my view, the referee was right to send Nani off, as it was shown that when contact was about to be made, Nani straightened his leading leg, in an attempt to further the impact. This was a pretty clear red card, but yet Ferguson first tried to bully the 4th official and then refused to attend the post-match press conference. An absolute disgrace.
ReplyDeleteLooking at Suarez and Evra, there is clearly a grudge there, hence the refusal of Suarez to shake the hand of Evra, and although not racially motivated, there is still a very strong grudge between Ferguson and Benitez and Ferguson refused to shake the hand, this shows that not only is he a hypocrite, he is not the bigger man.
ReplyDeleteYou could say the same with many other people who have been given a knighthood.
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect, Giggs has far more class than Ferguson. Whenever Giggs has talked about Liverpool, he has always been very respectful.
ReplyDeleteAnd btw, I am very much a Liverpool supporter.
ReplyDeleteAnother huge hypocrite in the Premier League is Tony Pulis, recently he complained about a penalty not being given even though it was clear (in his eyes) that the Stoke player, I believe it might have been Ryan Shawcross, was manhandled in the box. This is laughable.
ReplyDeleteCould it be that Suarez's first game for Liverpool against Man Utd, he absolutely destroyed them?
ReplyDeleteI tried to read your post and it literally hurt my eyes.
ReplyDeleteYou look like another example of Man utd fans blindly supporting Fergie, like he's higher than Jesus Christ. You'll go to any lengths to provide justifications for his actions. Fergie condemned Suarez because he didn't shake hands with a man whom Suarez did not respect. So why is it all of a sudden okay for Fergie to do so to Rafa? The way some man utd fans defend him beggars belief..unless you're a narrow-minded chelsea fan who boos Rafa every game, thinking it will help the club...
ReplyDeleteI don't know if Jonjo Shelvey will ultimately have a meaningful Liverpool career, but his shouting down of Fergie earlier this year is the stuff of legend. I'd love to see Suarez do something similar, though it would probably get him deported
ReplyDeleteMan i have never seen the word Delusional used so often except on this site lol
ReplyDeleteHe got knighted because he was an ally of the Labour government. That simple.
ReplyDeleteI see it all the time. You must be delusional.
ReplyDeleteWho Is Steve McMahon? "Reds Legend" .Sad Only Liverpool fans, cant compete on football field, but wana look for every excuse to slay the greatest manager in the histroy of football. Try and support your team at least to get 4th position. SAF has proved and done what he promised to do when he came to MUFC and that was to "knock liverpool of their perch", well we on our way to title number 20. The current Liverpool team lacks championship mentality and are in the rebuilding process for the last 20yrs. P.S Suarez wont be there for long, even he knows when to quit. Rafa should not worry about SAF not shaking his hands, when his own club fans dont even want him as their manager. So dosent Steve MacMhon call Chelsea Fans a "DISGRACE". Sour Grapes....Support you team LFC fans.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you 'support your team' then by keeping off this LFC site? Your comment is highly idiotic, another Man Utd fan so blinded by fergie worship that you'll pull anything out of your arse to defend him or change the subject. His achievements have nothing to do with this. Rafa shouldn't shake fergie's hand because his own fans don't like him? What the hell are you smoking? Are you implying that Rafa is not good enough to shake the most divine and pure hand of sir alex ferguson? People like me who comment on this site appreciate intelligent and insightful discussion from Liverpool fans and non-liverpool fans, even man utd fans. We don't appreciate this absolute nonsense, 10 year old hog-wash. Also, I find the term 'sour grapes' to be very ironic coming from a man utd fan- wasn't it your manager who was too "distraught" to hold a post-match press conference, or refused to shake rafa's hand after the 2-2 draw with Chelsea? Delusional...
ReplyDeleteSave all that aggresion for Southhampton this weekend. Yourl are so far Behind MUFC, Even "Google" cant find yourl. talk about "Delusional".... Rafa and Fergie had nothing to do with LFC fans, but once again, looking for "LIMELIGHT" off the field since you can get it on. Now go search the archives and bring "HISTROY" into this like LFC fans usally do. Thats all yourl have "HISTROY".
ReplyDeleteNothing Ferguson does or says surprises me.
ReplyDeletefergie is a great manager but also a cry baby and the biggest hipocrite ive seen in football.he also must be getting senile or he is just dumb. i couldnt care less if he didnt shake benitez hand but he cant sit there and brand suarez a disgrase and then do the same thing yourself. lets see if he appoligises for not shaking benitez hand.
ReplyDeletedisgrace, hipocrite,cry baby! nothing more to say about the manc scum, suarez would be laughing his ass off!
ReplyDeleteI'm not one of Rafa's biggest fans, but I'm right with him on this one.
ReplyDeleteLoser-pool, loser-pool! Sad to see you turn into plain bitters! I mean, there's not even a hint of creativity in your drab 'hate articles'! Clutching at straws IS your usual, but this is low even for you sorry lot! Laughable and pathetic! My advice, leave the top-of-the-table stuff to those who are actually there, and stick to being excited about fighting for the 4th spot! 4TH SPOT!!!! HAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHE! Bunch of Europa League flops!
ReplyDeleteso that makes you champions league flops then yeah! hypocrites of thie highest order, blind followers of manure.
ReplyDeleteDon know which stinks more, being on"TOP" of MANURE (as you refer to us) OR being so far "BURRIED under MANURE.. 20 and counting...
ReplyDeletewhats the point of this post if you do not know theres one rule for fergie and one rule for the rest by now,its like i suspect some of you live in lala land ;-)
ReplyDeleteBetter reach the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE quarter-finals than to waste away in obscurity of the Europa League, which you still couldn't accomplish! Spare me your sanctimony(you might need to look it up, Soup pot), how does a matter btwn Benitez and SAF involve you sorry lot! Your hate for SAF in misdirected and unfounded! How does hating SAF win Steven Gerrard a first premier league trophy???!! Shove your hypocrisy in a soup bowl and eat it, loser-tool!
ReplyDeleteWhile I believe that a person is never, at any age, a finished article and can always change his/her ways and actually evolve, when it comes to ferguson the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" seems to be very true.
ReplyDeleteIt's a symptom of the league. Players cheat during games because they're allowed to by officials. They'll complain about, and be guilty of the same thing. It's the price of an immensely competitive and pressure filled sport. All managers have complained about a referee, player, manager, and all are guilty of the same things. Football officials in the country allow this just as it happens on the pitch, through inaction. Moyes will complain about Suarez' diving, but Neville gets booked for simulation in the game. Ferguson complains about Suarez, but has players who aren't very different. Scholes has tried to score a hand ball goal, saved a goal with his hands and has lashed out at opposition players over his entire career - and we're forgetting Cantona's exploits too - but that is forgotten when it comes to judging opposing players. Ferguson, like any other manager will complain about diving etc, when he has had infamous divers such as Ronaldo and Nani falling about at will. Spurs management can't complain, but had Suarez dived on Sunday AVB would have complained, despite bale being booked for exactly that on Thursday. Arsenal can't complain when they've had individuals like Vieira and Henry (ask the Irish how good a sport that guy is.) it's part of the game. If it goes for you, great. If it doesn't complain like fuck.
ReplyDeleteSpot on! Duncan Ferguson was jailed for less. If Nani had done that in the street, he'd be locked up. Luckily Arbeloa was moving at the time or we would have seen another Cantona incident. Cantona won Player of the Year in his next season after his ban, btw!
ReplyDeleteI watched that game and their coach was lucky he wasn't punched in the face! That was the dirtiest game of football the WC has ever had, I'm sure their red card is the fastest in WC history, too.
ReplyDeleteWhat's Histroy? Is that referring to our bad patch with Hodgson in charge? ;-)
ReplyDeleteWhy not? He rendered great service to his sister in law for years.
ReplyDeleteRead somewhere he was quoted as saying I have lost faith in football. After the RM game. Ha.ha.ha. His influence in football stops at the FA here.
ReplyDeleteWe are intellects here on this site. We use words you Mancs have no clue of. Go back to where you came from.
ReplyDeleteWe all know Fergie has double standards. Look at the incident with Ashley Williams and RVP, he apparently could have killed him with the football, but when Nani (accidentally) kicks someone in the chest its a ridiculous decision, and he is to distraut to talk to the press.
ReplyDeleteI dont like to jump on the band wagon of "he has his own rules" etc... but sometimes it does seem like he does just do what he wants, and gets away with a lot of it.
Maybe it's a who ???
ReplyDeleteI dont necessarily think that the honours system should be abolished, but definitely scale down the amount given out. In Ireland most people here find it ridiculous that every Tom, Dick & Harry gets one these days. Save them for achievements in charity work, medicine, improvment of society etc, but far too much given out to sports people.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, Ferguson does deserve one for his football achievements, of that there can be no doubt, but nobody sporting should get one while they are still active in their sport. Wait till they retire.
However, Ferguson is a bully. Always has been and always will be. The fact that there is a clear double standard on his part here is no surprise. He bullies opponents constantly and that is, like it or not, part of what makes him so succesful. He has been around long enough and does the mind games better than most.
So, just because someone gets an honour for being succesful in their sport does not mean that they are a nice person.
When was my argument, or this article, ever about Liverpool's position in comparison to United's? You're ahead of us at the moment, and bravo, but that's not the topic of focus at the moment. You're just resorting to a "well we're on top of the ladder so haha" argument because you had nothing to counter me with, despite the total irrelevance your new topic had. I also can't take people who say "yourl" and "histroy" seriously...
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you're going to be a troll, at least make yourself sound more literate. It works a charm.
ReplyDeleteyes I read the report several times and noted the glaring inconsistencies which the 'independent' panell ignored, such as Ryan Giggs and Dirk Kyut's witness statements as they did not support evra's evidence.
ReplyDeleteThere were many others well rehearsed but they have been ignored by the mainstream media.
Also google Evra, Daily Mail and youtube and discover how Evra views the 'n' word
Seem to remember a certain Scotland Manager refusing to shake his opposition managers hand when they got knocked out of the world cup.
ReplyDeletegreat reply billy
ReplyDeleteWe really shouldn't be surprised by the lack of class that comes out of that club. Just look at McCrerands comments on Roy Keane last week. The lack of class is staggering. This is the same guy who said that Suarez hasn't been brought up properly and that someone needs to write a letter to his mother about his upbringing. I assume he must have also insisted that Ferguson write letters to the mothers of Rooney, Cantona and Giggs or maybe he thinks that shagging old age prostitutes, assaulting people and shagging your brothers wife is ok. The hypocrisy is incredible.
ReplyDeleteAlpha clearly YOU did not read the report. Evra says he called Suarez a 'Sudaca' - a derogoratory term towards a south american - but the FA decided against taking action because Suarez honestly stated that he had not heard Evra's abuse ..... Evra also stated in his evidence that he did not believe that Suarez was a racist .....
ReplyDelete.... and england lol
ReplyDelete'greatest manager in football history' LOL. Two times European champions in 25 years of desperate failure .... he is good and qualifying for it, Liverpool are good at winning it ..... even after he spent a quarter of a century spending all their money ....
ReplyDeleteFive Times.
ReplyDeleteyet another comment removed,no worse than half on here so what if fergies above the law so is kanwar,its the rules set out by the fa fergie can do what he likes because he owns the fa sometimes they give him a fine as a token gesture just to try to show everybody hes the same as everyone else ,but we all know he has got away with murder for years
ReplyDeleteAnother excellent well reasoned arguement here.
ReplyDeleteIf you insist on sniping (i.e. saying stuff like 'what's the point of this article') then your comments will continue to be removed.
ReplyDeleteYes, sorry about that. The comment is now gone.
ReplyDeleteAsk yourself what the greats such as Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley would think reading some of the posts on this blog. Let me tell you they would be embarassed at some of the comments.
ReplyDeleteUnless Rafa Benitez walked up to Sir Alex Ferguson, offered his hand, and refused a handshake, then this story has no link to his comments in relation to Evra and Suarez.
I would also like to remind you that had Liverpool done nothing wrong in the Evra and Suarez affair why was an apology issued by Liverpool, Kenny Dalglish, and Suarez?
Never let your rivalry which all too many times overflows to hatred cloud your judgements.
Anyhow enough about that. I was listening to Stan Collymore on Talk Sport yesterday evening. He posed a fair few questions to the Everton owners and one of the issues was that the Council wants Liverpool to engage in a ground share but refuses to entertain the idea.
jaimie it was not a snipe it was meant togue in cheek as it said we all know fergie is in charge so whats the point of the article on something we have all known for years it was not meant as a diogarretery comment
ReplyDeletei would be up for a groud share if it meant lfc had more chance of success but i can see why everton would not want to half empty grounds do not give a good atmosphere;-)
ReplyDeleteAlex Ferguson is evil. Hypocrite is light to describe him. For someone who manipulates the FA n other officials who really are goons, I'm sure his grandkids have problem using his behavior as a model to being a good person. He dares slatting others and always fail to refrain from adding fuel on business that has zero to do with him. But he is the best ugliest example there is in the EPL. But I must say no one sits better than him at that club that is nicknamed after him.
ReplyDeleteThe RED nosed DEVIL .
Im actually a liverpool supporter who frequents this site regularly.
ReplyDeleteit was a joke. hence the lol at the end.
He is indeed the right person for that club named after him. The Red nosed Devil. He truly is evil. Just a real bad person. Manipulative. Glad he couldn't influence Europe officials but only the EPL. He is one monster that the FA lets get away too many times it's embarassing.
ReplyDeleteIt took a bit of guts and it turns shelvey talks how he plays ALL IN! and Fergie got a taste of it. One of the highlights of the season for me.
ReplyDeleteAlso agree if suarez did something similar they would be investigating him for suspicion of terrorism.
So this year there is no reason Suarez don't win the PFA award.
ReplyDeletei like the way that sound! might give it a try my self!
ReplyDeleteFIVE TIMES!
yep felt good.
You seem to have difficulties working with Google, but it seems to be your lucky day, as I am on here and always willing to help those challenged in every day life. So, here you go, Google search for Liverpool F.C.:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.de/search?q=Liverpool+F.C.
Just in case you still can't find our club's URL, it should be very close to the top of the results.
No need to thank me.
Assuming from you user name you must have loads of friends.
ReplyDeleteactually i think youll find that the liverpool official website is the most searched of any premiership team on google.
ReplyDeleteI can confirm that. HazeyMatt is indeed a Manc. Just like me, apparently ;-D
ReplyDeleteFergie is the idiot who blamed Ian Wright for kicking Schmichael after Schmichael racially abused Ian Wright. Conclusive video evidence showed Schmichael calling Wrighty black bastard. The punishment for Schmichael was ( they forced him to wear a kick racism out of football T shirt). What a joke the FA, Fergie and that racist British media are.
ReplyDeleteEvra admitted to calling Suarez "a dirty south American" its in black and white in the report, that is racial abuse, regardless of if you like it or not. Who is delusional now huh?
ReplyDeleteThe fact he put up that statement says nothing other than this is is not about people personally insulting anyone, of which I have`nt done, unless you call replying insulting? I would further suggest calling someone delusional for having a different view than yourself, is insulting, and was excatly what the OP didn`t want. Please find where I swore? You wont. Nor Insult? or be petty.
IT WAS IN THE REPORT, not my fault you can`t handle the truth is it. You sully the name of a great club like Man utd, with your "its my view or no ones attitude"
And the same fans turned on him when he failed to win the league 2 seasons in a row. Those p**** are behind him only when he wins them something. Typical gloryhunting b*******. They have no right to defend him.
ReplyDeleteMan is this how it feels being called a manc?
ReplyDeleteDoes that dirty feeling go away eventually? i hope so!!! lol
haha, that one actually made me laugh. Poor shawcross, such a clean player too lol
ReplyDeleteAll very well modding others Jamie, but how come Alpha gets to insult, name sling etc in the first few posts, and nothing happens? I get he is a fan from a different club, so maybe he is allowed to do more, but seems somewhat onesided, to let him name sling, and others not.
ReplyDeleteThat actually was a pretty good reply.
ReplyDeleteno m8 once a manc always a manc you will be vilified ever where you go,kids will be afraid of you parents will drag there kids away,only your own kind will feel anything for you to the rest of the world your a outcast destined to eat prawn sandwiches for ever ;-)
ReplyDeleteyes I read the report several times and noted the glaring inconsistencies which the 'independent' panell ignored, such as Ryan Giggs and Dirk Kyut's witness statements as they did not support evra's evidence.
ReplyDeleteThere were many others well rehearsed but they have been ignored by the mainstream media.
Also google Evra, Daily Mail and youtube and discover how Evra views the 'n' word
my heart just broke a little. and LMAO at prawn sandwiches!
ReplyDeleteHAHA!! 'INTELLECTS' can't even tell a joke from an insult! You're BITTERS, that what you are! HAHAAAA!
ReplyDeleteSame old,same old as far as Ferguson goes,he thinks he can do as he pleases & it's different rules for him,it's about time more was done about him disrespecting officials,along with not shaking hands or giving an interview as is customery,not to mention contracted when televised,he's always been one for mind games,fair enough,but blowing his top at officials is going to far !
ReplyDeleteFerguson not shaking hands with Benitez is indicative of the way Ferguson has been acting for some time.
ReplyDeleteHe is 71 years old and you wonder if that has anything to do with his bizarre behaviour recently.
He has always been a hypocrite when defending Man Utd but what manager isn't when defending his own players?
However, lately his behaviour has been way beyond the normal stuff and there has to be a reason for this.
It may well be it is because he intends to retire soon so doesnt give a damn about anybody anymore or it could be he realises he wont quite knock Liverpool off their perch as he wont be able to match Liverpool in terms of trophies or European Cups before he does eventually retire.
By his own admission he has always been obsessed with Liverpool as are the Man Utd fans whereas Liverpool fans have never been the same about Man Utd.
At every home game you hear Man Utd fans sing songs about Liverpool to prove their obsessive jealousy but Liverpool fans only ever sing songs about Man Utd when they are actually playing Man Utd.
By not shaking hands it says far more about Ferguson than it does about Benitez.
It shows even after all these years he is still deep down affected by everything Liverpool Football Club do or say.
I am sure it hasn't been missed by the powers that be at Anfield and they are all having a little chuckle about it.
By the way in relation to the Suarez/Evra matter does anyone ever wonder why the Police didnt even try to prosecute Suarez in a proper Court of Law?
Perhaps because they knew there was not a cat in hell's chance of getting a conviction before a proper Judge and Jury on the evidence presented!!
Just a thought.
i think im right in saying Fergie also refused to shake Jose Mourihnos hnad because he celebrated when porto knocked united out of the champions league oh how dare he ?? .. Fergie is a bully and a hypocrite . his catalogue of hypocrisy goes on and on . he befriends only those who are no threat to him . He saw suarez as a threat hence the diving slurs in the media .and the whole tweaking of the press to inflame the race accusations . Re the spanish language expert who testified on the ruling of the word Negra and its connotations in Sth American culture ,couldnt they have found someone that did not work at the University of Manchester ??. when Roy Keen speaks the truth unlike other sit on the fence pundits he is ostracised . If its true about benitez offering support to Fergie when his grandkid was in Hospital then not shaking his hand is a disgrace.
ReplyDeletePatronisation a great way to win an arguement? That was no patronisation. It was the truth. Tarring all with the same brush?
ReplyDeleteBut I guess a United fan could never call Liverpool a great football club and institution could they since we're all the same?
That my friend right there was sarcasm...!
Good point ! Who gives such evil person that respect are really just idiots. He gets away with murder cause he is a Super Incredible Rat in front of name ? Things are getting way out of hand with this monster in the EPL. Something has to be done immediately.
ReplyDeleteglad it cheered you up now back to some manc bashing;-)
ReplyDeletePoor love was still too distraught because a decision went against him and his 4 yr old's tantrum didn't have an effect.
ReplyDeleteWe should pity him.
As for all the 20 stuff, Ferguson himself said the CL was a bigger prize. He wins 1 every 12 years at his current rate.
Giggs is respectful n sure to have his own opinion. Evra isn't anywhere close .He simply sold his soul n was easily manipulated by Smart Alex the Red nosed Devil n does anythying his boss says.I can't believe he is ashamed of who he is. But when the rat is there, he knows how to exploit the opportunity when he sees one.
ReplyDeleteLet's see, United are how many points clear of liverpool? How many? Man United are about to clinch their 13th EPL title under Sir Alex. Liverpool haven't won the league now in what, 20 + years. When Man United win the EPL later this year that would make it how many more than Liverpool? I believe 2--correct. Fergie said he would do what when he came to United? I believe he said, "knock Liverpool of its perch". I think that he has accomplished that and then some. So I get why Liverpool fans can't stand the man. I really do! When United where living in Liverpools shadows for all of those dark, very dark yearrs, I disliked every Liverpool Manager. But I secretly admired their greatness. I know that in a quiet moment when you Liverpool fans are all alone, you admit that Fergie is GREAT! You do, yes , you do.
ReplyDeleteBut who is to blame ? Everyone seems to fear him. It's not a maybe but clear cut bully but the rat gets away with murder. It seems like he is the FA.
ReplyDeleteoh wow... I never knew that. Now I see how he turned Evra into his slave against Super Suarez . I'm have no qualms over what he really is. A rat !!!
ReplyDeleteFor me, honours should be given out with the type of person they are included, all very well rewarding Fergie, but he is no role model, therefore why honour a bully? what example does this set? Completely agree that too many are given out, and often for things which really don`t deserve it. It is a shame as it lessens there worth. Honours so go to those who not only excel, but excel for the greater good, for doing good work, for being a example, for being honourable.
ReplyDeleteI don`t think it is him, but more the fact utd had, and may still have a lot of board members on the F.A, therefore it`s not in there own interest to punish them too much, as it will ruin there own investment, and role. For me if you are on the F.A you should be banned for being on any board of any club, otherwise surely they lose inpartialness
ReplyDeleteIf you have ever been on here before, you would notice that most posts are critical of Liverpool, therefore why is it so bad to be critical of another team/manager? The actual title of this site has the word Critical in it, thats kinda the point of this site from my understanding. The article was about what a Ex-Liverpool player said, and if we agreed, I can`t see whats wrong with that. The fact you littered your post with insults, and belittlements only shows yourself up. You don`t like the subject so throw in abit about Suarez, is that to try and get your own back? If so i imagine it failed. Maturity is about being able to look at things, without resorting to trying to make others feel bad, to better yourself, and about being able to look at things openly, rather than because the "mob" see it one way. The irony is you prob came onto the most critical, and honest site about liverpool going, to air your judgments about us. Saying who is Steve McMahon is what lost you any credit, unless you don`t follow football, im sure you will know full well who he is. It`s like me trying to belittle you, by saying, whos George Best? Of course I would never do that, as dispite him playing for Utd, I am man enough to admit he was a great player, and that my friend is called class.
ReplyDeleteI have assumed to not lend him my tools...ever.
ReplyDeleteWhell considdering the words they have let fly about each other over the years i would say this is a simular sircumstances. If Ferguson would have said nothing about the former insident with Evra and Suarez this would be no big thing but he did attack Suarez and then does the same thing
ReplyDeleteI have really one wish. After this . To see Suarez approach the Red nosed Devil for a handshake with a smile.
ReplyDeleteI am glad you are able to communicate with the dead, so we know how they feel, as I am lucky enough to have this chance to speak to a real life mystic, I would like to take this oppertunity to ask you if you do freelance work? My cat sadly passed away some months ago, and it would be great if you could maybe do a Q&A between me and her.
ReplyDeleteMany thanks in advance.
Actually he is a serial rapist. For the last 20 years he has been at it screwing everybody from the FA, officials and rival managers.
ReplyDeleteI think Red nosed Devil should learn how to thrash Real Madrid the way Rafa did. Then again they're still behind LFC in Europe.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree. He is the greatest cheat in football
ReplyDeleteive been working in Aberdeen and been to a few games up here also mates with a few Aberdeen supporters They will openly tell you that Fergie has held a bitter hatred of liverpool since we humiliated his Aberdeen side 5 nil in the european cup his obsesion with Liverpool didnt start at United . @ Richy T why if we are so inferior to united do their supporters sing songs about liverpool when they play other teams ... seems you have a problem with us. not the other way round ..
ReplyDeleteIt is a sign of a lack of both education and culture.
ReplyDeleteLol GO GET EM GIRL
ReplyDeletewell he said not shaking hands could have caused a riot ...same could be said of not shaking rafas hand....that could be conceived by idiotic fans as the green light to kick off...
ReplyDeletewhats amusing id you take the opinion of a man whos pastimes are dogging and beating up weathergirls yet ridicule posters on here...to put it in you own words your delusional
ReplyDeletewhats amusing is you criticize posters on here yet quote a man whose pastimes are dogging and beating up weather girls...thats delusional
ReplyDeleteevery time i reply to anteater i feel im contacting the afterlife
ReplyDeleteThis guy's laughing a lot. What kind of manc is he?
ReplyDeleteYeah, he might lose them.
ReplyDeleteI don't want any ground share. It benefits Everton well more than us.
ReplyDeleteFerguson big manager , but big zero as man !!!
ReplyDeleteWhere have I insulted anyone on here? I have been both polite and considerate to all opinions no matter what my views are of them.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea how the dead feel, I am however imagine that these esteemed gentlemen along with the great Sir Matt Busby would horrified at some of the bile directed by both sets of fans at eachother.
ReplyDeleteAlso I am no mystic my friend. Therefore I am unable to act as a medium between you and your recently deceased cat.
Ferguson is and has always been quick to jump on opposition teams and players who step out of line. He also defends his team and players to the hilt even when theyre 100% wrong. United players used to hound refs who gave decision against them and he jumps to the moon when things go against his team as well. Ferdinand clapping in the officials face after their champions league game was well out of order. Did Ferguson criticise Ferdinand,no. SAF is full of .... Double Standards and should take a good look at himself and his player but I think its a bit late in the day now.
ReplyDeleteI haven't taken the opinion of Stan Collymore. Everybody has made mistakes in their lives. Have you made none yourself? I take the view that I don't criticise others for their faults as nobody is perfect.
ReplyDeleteStan Collymore asked the Everton owners some hard hitting questions and one of the responses he got was that prospective buyers were put off by the problems they have moving to another stadium. The Council don't believe Liverpool as a city require 2 stadiums and want Liverpool to engage in to talks with themselves and Everton in relation to a ground share. Liverpool have turned down all advances.
This is not the opinon of Stan Collymore my friend, it is the opinon of the Everton owners.
calling someone delusional? thats polite and not insulting is it? purely cause they had a different view than yourself, esp when oddly that different view was based on FACTS taken from the official report. Telling others they are clutching at straws, which is belittlement, anyone just posting there view, doesn`t need to use belittlement to back there`s up. Accusing people of sullying the name of LFC, I could go on if you would like?
ReplyDeleteThose views are not based of facts at all and are clearly hearsay. If they are facts then quote them from the official report and consider this.
ReplyDeleteIf Suarez had done nothing wrong then why was it an official apology was issued by Liverpool, Kenny Dalglish, and Luis Suarez?
I've never respected Alex Ferguson and never will. All his titles and cup's in the world won't make up for his lack of dignity and humility.. characteristics any man worth his salt has.
ReplyDelete'The unlikely trio are on the Manchester
United team bus as it arrives at Anfield on Boxing Day 1986. The bus had
been attacked in previous years, so Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish
asked former Anfield boss Paisley to travel with the United team to calm
home fans'
The picture as always fascinated me.. Outside of the hugely magnanimous gesture and the gracious way Bob Paisley carried it out on behalf of the club we have ..
A truely great man and manager in Bob Paisley, one who helped put Liverpool on it's perch and the man who wanted to knock us fing off it .. his would/wanna be successor as England and Europe's most successful manager.
Ferguson may have went on to eclipse Paisley's domestic haul but if there's any justice and karma in the footballing heavens he will never emulate his European haul.
Why ? Because the man the British realm decided to confer a knighthood on, ( say's a lot about a lot when people call this guy 'Sir') doesn't deserve to be on the same bus as a gentleman and a real Sir, Bob paisley, let alone be deserve to eclipse his greatest achievement.. 3 European cups.
The way he's carried himself trough the years has seen him get progressively worse. The more titles he won, include the Sir in that, the more arrogant and obstreperous he has become.. He is a bully, a complete hypocrite and a total megalomaniac .. I could write a thesis on the amount of incidents to support it..
I hope and pray Bob Paisley's record remains out of his reach and Ferguson leaves Old Trafford even more bitter and twisted knowing he never truely knocked us of our perch.
I'd like to start a song campaign for the next united game ..
He won it three times he won it three times.. count them Fergie .. He won it 3 times.. he won it 3 times he won it 3 times.. Our Bobby Paisley.. He won it 3 times..
As Roy Keane has said previously Fergie doesnt like to be challenged. He has kicked of with ref's with other managers and he doesnt like Rafa simply because he dared to challenge his monopoly.
ReplyDeleteFergie gets away with murder time and time again and after Rio's shove on Torres Webb couldnt decide what punishment to give so the FA has let him off as well.
There is no doubt in my mind just as Ian Holloway has been punished any other manager or player of another team would have been sanctioned. Suarez would have been in Guantanamo by now.
Just give fertile the whistle and let him ref the games, only then will he stop moaning and trying to manipulate officials. It would also suit the fa as they don't like to upset him (soft punishment) . But then you can't blame him ,if he gets away with it time and time again fair play to him
ReplyDeletewell your right mr ferguson is far from perfect .....and i suppose collymore is better off asking hard hitting questions rather than hard hitting his girlfriend
ReplyDeleteNanoo nanoo, Shazzbad!
ReplyDeletenote how the panel did not talk about the leg straightening afterward!?!?! How could football analysts not discuss this point?
ReplyDeleteI personally hope Fergie sees the day Liverpool knock united off their "perch"
ReplyDeletewho said he did no wrong? you lost me? If you have read what I wrote, I said BOTH did wrong. And yes it is in the official report that Evra racially abused suarez too. Not hearsay, but the truth, I am staggered that even though it is in the report, you still deny it. Nice to see you choose to ignore the part where I showed how you insulted people, no word like "sorry, I did" nope, you just randomly, with no logic at all plucked out the lines about Suarez, and Liverpool saying sorry, which is about at random as it gets, as the whole convo I have stated he and evra were wrong. This shows me your just on a massive wind up.
ReplyDeleteSo after proving how you insulted people, any comment on that? or do you have yet another random thing to question, which we haven`t chatted about?
watch this and see if you still think Evra is never at fault http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwLkCRziD8
ReplyDeleteLet me guess, this is a fact video, but hearsay?
Bitters? I believe that is Everton fans
ReplyDeleteAdditionally mate, Ferguson wanted the pair to shake hands to let the whole fiasco just go away. Funnily enough, refusing Rafa's hand only sustained or aggravated their uneasy relationship, and surely a handshake to show some respect would have sufficed in leaving their troubles with eachother behind them?
ReplyDeleteShock, horror, manager in hypocrisy scandal(!) lol
ReplyDeleteNot a big story and nothing new but managers are a funny breed, with their fluctuating standards.
Well said. Really don't get the big hoo-ha over it.
ReplyDeleteYou make me sick. Tell that to women that have been rape victims and maybe you realise how meaningless football and especially matters like these are.
ReplyDeleteNot a very original response OriginalChan. We are talking football here nothing to do with women.
ReplyDeleteIf you do not understand whats being said. I feel sorry for you.
I don't appreciate your nonchalant use of the term 'serial rapist'. Doesn't matter what context you are trying to use it in, 'serial rapist' is a very serious term. I couldn't give a monkeys about whether my response is 'original' or not. I feel sorry for you, if you see it fit to use the term 'serial rapist' for such trivial matters like football. Its only football, yet you are using a term that is related to a person who often has sexual intercourse with people against their will. Football doesn't even compare to the subjects that the term is usually related to. Football is a sport, yet you see it fit to use the term serial rapist in it. Appalling, absolutely appalling. If you don't see the offensive nature of the term you are using, than you shouldn't be using it in a public forum. Bad enough that people use the word 'rape' in a lighthearted manner within their circle of friends, but in a public forum, no way am I going to sit idly by.
ReplyDeletethis is a great shame.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that some of the bile is digusting, but def not the stuff seen written on here, most of it has been pretty low key, and a world away from the Munich or Hillsbrough chants we have so often heard, or the murders songs etc.
I think the whole handshake thing, was pretty bad by Fergie, not because not shaking hands is bad, tbh its fine, but because he is a role model for kids, and also the fact it fuels hatred between fans, of which we have seen enough of. Goshing, and jesting is all good, and makes it fun, but hatred is different and has no place in football IMO. When Suarez didn`t shake Evras hand, I was very dissapointed, againnot cause he should have, tbh if I has felt stitched up, I wouldn`t have wanted to shake the hand of the guy who did it (regardless of any reports, just if I felt I had been), but because it was a chance to put it all to bed, and to show the youth watching that even if you disagree with someone, and fall out, you can still be grown up about things and move on, giving a good example for kids to follow. It`s this same reason I feel Fergie messed up, because by not shaking Rafa`s hand, not only has he been hypocritical, after all his rants about Suarez, but because he just showed all the young people watching that, that is how you should act.
Footballers and Managers may not want to be role models, but they are, kids will and do look to them on how to act, more so than what there teachers or parents tell them, because they are there heros, there idols. It`s for this reason Fergie like Suarez was wrong not to shake hands. Next time Chelsea play Utd, and the hatred spills over, Fergie will have played his part in that. Players get booked for insighting the crowd, maybe it`s time managers got banned to the stands for it too.
Unfortunately your grasp of the English language is appalling.
ReplyDeleteThe definition of rape can be translated in many ways. looks like you have been sitting idle without a clue of what you are talking about. Get a grip pal.
Verbrape (third-person singular simple present rapes, present participle raping, simple past and past participle raped)(transitive, intransitive) To seize by force. (Now often with overtones of later senses.) [from 14th c.] [quotations ▼](transitive) To carry (someone, especially a woman) off against their will, especially for sex; to abduct. [from 15th c.] [quotations ▼](transitive) To force sexual intercourse or other sexual activity upon (someone) without their consent. [from 16th c.] [quotations ▼](transitive) To plunder, to destroy or despoil. [from 17th c.] [quotations ▼](US slang, chiefly Internet) To overpower, destroy (someone); to trounce. [from 20th c.]My experienced opponent will rape me at chess.
Wow, just wow. I am astounded by your failure to read simple English. Nowhere do I say that the term serial rapist or rape is restricted to ONLY sexual acts. In fact, I also said 'serious abuse/violations', which can cover more than just sexual acts. So ergo, I know it can be interpreted many ways and you would know I knew that if you read my post properly, well done(!) But that doesn't necessarily justify it being used for such a trivial matter like football. You really should look closer to home when it comes to appalling grasp of the English language, as well as unable to read & interpret simple English properly. Just because your use of it could possibly be viewed under 'slang' section, doesn't make it right or just, as 'slang', or at least some slang, is not appropriate. Your use of it certainly doesn't fall under the other sections as its football, which is something trivial, not a serious violation/act or sexual offence. So if anything, your copy&paste job hasn't done you any favours. Because at best, your use of serial rapist can come under 'slang', which isn't what I call a proper definition of a word or the English language. I see you have copied and pasted from Wiki, which isn't exactly a concrete force, lets see you find justification for your use of serial rapist in football in a proper dictionary, like Oxford or Collins. Your copy and paste job hasn't done anything conclusive to prove that your use of the term serial rapist is appropriate and inoffensive. So well done(!) Like I said, your not amongst friends here where you can get away with gutter talk/offensive slang, its a public forum and if you still think using the term 'serial rapist' in such a trivial context is fine, than you should take a good long look at yourself. I'll leave it there as I find your use of the word 'serial rapist' disgusting and odious.
ReplyDeleteI didn't say anywhere in my post that it is only restricted to sexual acts. I also said serious abuse/violation. So that in itself illustrates that I know it can be interpreted in many ways. So thank you but I do know that the term can be interpreted in different ways and implied that clearly in my post, but you unsurprisingly failed to grasp that. Dearie me, talk about own goal, thanks. So please, look closer to home for appalling grasp of the English language.
ReplyDeleteIn relation to your dodgy copy and paste definition, only under slang does your use of the term fit. All the other ones are far more serious, whereas football is a sport and a trivial subject. I think it is laughable and utterly stupid to think 'slang' use of the word rape justifies using it in such a childish and trivial manner like you do. Your little copy and paste job actually doesn't prove conclusively or justify your use of it. Its slang, for gods sake.Secondly, next time get a proper dictionary source, not Wiki where anyone can edit it and add in gutter talk/slang definitions to words. Slang or at least not all slang is proper English. Go on, try finding a proper dictionary where it justifies the term being used for trivial matters and not referred to as a slang use. Go on, try Oxford or Collins. If you think a slang definition, let alone a slang definition from a dodgy source, justifies your use of it in a public forum, than I pity you. My word, relying on a 'slang' definition, bit desperate that. So don't talk to me about appalling grasp of the English language, when you consider you are relying on a wiki source and a slang definition from a wiki source. Try a real dictionary next time. That Wiki entry was probably written by some spotty teenager who uses the word trivially among his friends and thinks its ok.Slang definitions don't justify your use of it on a public forum. Your not among personal friends here where you can converse in offensive slang talk and not worry about offending people. This is a public forum and the tolerance for slang, especially offensive slang, is much smaller. I am done with you and your odious and offensive desensitizing of such a serious term. Cheerio.
Totally agree with you about setting an example to children. Football players and managers may not wish to be role models, but whether they like it or not, children look up to them. If grown men can not shake hands before and after a game then that is pretty bad sportsmanship and a bad example to the watching public.
ReplyDeleteSAF has responded to what Rafa has said about the whole handshake thing before the game. Had Rafa walked up to Rafa and refused the handshake then I would say that was very much out of order. But it didn't quite happen like that so I would rather give the benefit of the doubt.
Liverpool and United hae had a great rivalry but all too many times I have heard horrible chanting from both sets of fans. It did however please me and I was immensely proud seeing United wearing the tops with 96 on the back, Ian Rush and Sir Bobby Chalrton in union, the United fans honouring occasion, the tributes, Evra and Suarez shaking hands.
The N word is used in a lot of rap music but black musicians. I have heard black people call eachother the N words on the street. Whether I think that is right or wrong it doesn't make them racist?
ReplyDeleteRafa was caught red-handed admiring Sir Alex’s ass. So in trying to cover up
ReplyDeletehis fetish, he came up with this no handshake nonsense. If not, how do you
explain someone standing behind a person’s ass and waiting for a handshake?
I heard that the united players were gonna wear t-shirts supporting ferguson before todays game against reading - sad or what
ReplyDeleteYNWA
Oh, I must have missed where Sir Alex racially abused Rafa?
ReplyDeletehumans rarely live beyond 120 years
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