Earlier this week, Norwegian defender Veggard Forren signed for Southampton after rejected a proposed loan move to Liverpool FC. After also losing out on Gaston Ramirez in the summer, this is the second time in six months that the Saints have beaten the Reds to a player, and after penning his three-and-a-half year deal, the 24-year old explained why he rejected Anfield.
Speaking to reporters yesterday, Forren - described on Wednesday as as an 'exciting' player by former Liverpool defender Veggard Heggem - admitted that the move is a 'dream come true', and that he'd 'always wanted to play' in the Premier League. He added:
"Southampton is a big club. When I was told of the interest from Southampton, straight away I wanted to come and talk to the chairman. We had a chat and I was very impressed — there was no doubt that this is where I wanted to be.
"The plan the chairman has for this club is fantastic. There is a good, young squad here and the way they play fits me well, so I hope I can join the team and get some good results"
Liverpool Chairman Ian Ayre claimed yesterday that the Reds can still attract the world's best players, but on this evidence, the club is struggling to attract second, or third tier player. For me, the Forren situation is slightly worrying:
* Everything he says about Southampton applies to LFC too: Big club; plan in place for the club; young squad; progressive style of football etc. Why wouldn't he want to come to Liverpool.
* Why are Liverpool offering trials to established 24-year old *international* players? That surely has to be a rare occurrence, and doesn't show much faith in the player's ability. It's pretty insulting, really.
* Forren must have talked with Liverpool about coming for the trial, but clearly, he was not impressed with what the club had to say. Who did he speak with? Rodgers? Ian Ayre? A low-level coach? Whoever it was, they didn't do a good enough job of selling the club.
* In September 2012, Clint Dempsey revealed that Spurs really pushed to sign him, which is why he ultimately ended up a White Hart Lane. The same thing seems to have happened here: LFC offered a trial (which in and of itself means that the club isn't sure about a player), but Southampton came in and made the player feel wanted, and ended up signing him.
* If Liverpool is such an attractive proposition, Forren surely would've come for the trial and fought for a move. Would he have chosen the Saints over Man United, Arsenal, City, Chelsea or Spurs?
Of course, the Norwegian may have chosen Southampton because he believes he may get more playing time, and to be fair, he's probably right; but it's a little disturbing to see that Liverpool are now losing out to newly-promoted teams for players, something that simply didn't happen in the past.
Jaimie Kanwar
REMEMBER: Please stick to the Comment Policy (Click to read)
Speaking to reporters yesterday, Forren - described on Wednesday as as an 'exciting' player by former Liverpool defender Veggard Heggem - admitted that the move is a 'dream come true', and that he'd 'always wanted to play' in the Premier League. He added:
"Southampton is a big club. When I was told of the interest from Southampton, straight away I wanted to come and talk to the chairman. We had a chat and I was very impressed — there was no doubt that this is where I wanted to be.
"The plan the chairman has for this club is fantastic. There is a good, young squad here and the way they play fits me well, so I hope I can join the team and get some good results"
Liverpool Chairman Ian Ayre claimed yesterday that the Reds can still attract the world's best players, but on this evidence, the club is struggling to attract second, or third tier player. For me, the Forren situation is slightly worrying:
* Everything he says about Southampton applies to LFC too: Big club; plan in place for the club; young squad; progressive style of football etc. Why wouldn't he want to come to Liverpool.
* Why are Liverpool offering trials to established 24-year old *international* players? That surely has to be a rare occurrence, and doesn't show much faith in the player's ability. It's pretty insulting, really.
* Forren must have talked with Liverpool about coming for the trial, but clearly, he was not impressed with what the club had to say. Who did he speak with? Rodgers? Ian Ayre? A low-level coach? Whoever it was, they didn't do a good enough job of selling the club.
* In September 2012, Clint Dempsey revealed that Spurs really pushed to sign him, which is why he ultimately ended up a White Hart Lane. The same thing seems to have happened here: LFC offered a trial (which in and of itself means that the club isn't sure about a player), but Southampton came in and made the player feel wanted, and ended up signing him.
* If Liverpool is such an attractive proposition, Forren surely would've come for the trial and fought for a move. Would he have chosen the Saints over Man United, Arsenal, City, Chelsea or Spurs?
Of course, the Norwegian may have chosen Southampton because he believes he may get more playing time, and to be fair, he's probably right; but it's a little disturbing to see that Liverpool are now losing out to newly-promoted teams for players, something that simply didn't happen in the past.
Jaimie Kanwar
REMEMBER: Please stick to the Comment Policy (Click to read)
Well if this news is all true it certainly shows, LFC's 'sports people' skills are sorely missing here sadly.
ReplyDeletei,ve said it before and i will say it again the only people who buy into rodgers b"llshit are fsg
ReplyDeleteI was suprised to hear we only offered a trail. So from this stand point I can see why he took up a different offer. The offer from Southampton was money in the bag, all we offered was a chance to prove he could earn that money. I think if you still aren`t sure enough about a player by the time he is 24, and need to offer a trail to him, clearly he can`t be what you need.
ReplyDeletemaybe ian's an ayre-head?
ReplyDeleteWhy are we offering trials to players when others actually just want to sign them? its a bit disrespectful to say the least.If this is the way FSG or BR believes is the way to behave in the transfer market then somebody needs to inform them they are WRONG!
ReplyDeleteIts different if its a youngster but a 24 year old! What a disgrace, its nothing but arrogance on our part and belittling to the player to be asked to prove his worth before we consider signing him when other clubs are showing him he is potentially good enough to have earned his chance already.
Jamie. All that happened was his agent was looking for a club in England last week because his contract is up soon and Molde want to sell. Rodgers offered him a trial because he had no definite offers. When that news came out Southampton bid the 4.2m and Molde accepted. That, as far as Liverpool were concerned was it and the trial didn't happen and Liverpool didn't talk to him. If Rodgers or the club had offered the money he could have spoken to Liverpool as well but for whatever reason they didn't. I imagine the fact that we have 4 international centre backs at the club already (5 before Wilson went to Hearts) indicates he isn't a priority. He may not have signed anyway, personally I think he's better off playing than sitting on the bench at best and spending 4m on a 4th or 5th choice player would be mad. You've put 1 and 1 together here and come up with about 10.
ReplyDeleteThis is what i have read: we offered the lad a trial but Saints offered him a contract. To me, the fact that he was offered a trial, being 24, is a derisory measure as he would feel himself a proven player; not a kid with potential. Good luck at Saints, son, you're not being paid inflated wages to warm our bench.
ReplyDeleteNow, Coutinho: what's happening there?
This is a ridiculous article. He obviously joined southampton as he felt first team opportunities would be limited with us. It's clear that Liverpool were undecided on him and therefore offered him a trial in order to make an informed decision. He chose not to take the trial and Liverpool presumably walked away. We were obviously not over bothered about signing him. Also, there was never any bid placed for ramirez in the summer so how did we lose out to southampton?
ReplyDeleteHow do you know there was no bid put in for Ramirez? Liverpool were definitely interested in signing him, and I know that for a fact. Just because the club didn't say 'we put in a bid' (which hardly ever happens anyway), doesn't mean it didn't happen.
ReplyDeleteAnd in future, drop the snide comments from your posts or the whole thing will be deleted.
Nothing I believe our bid (if we made one) has been rejected.
ReplyDeletemaybe we just didn't want him that much and he felt it
ReplyDeleteNo he joined Southampton due to our total arrogance and the lack of respect we showed him as a 24 year old professional, something Southampton didn't do.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like we weren't convinced of his ability so a trial was offered, nothing more, nothing less.
ReplyDeleteHe surely would struggle to get playing time here, so he chose Southampton ...
No point worrying !!
Please, not another 20-year old who'll rech his potential in 5 years. FSG's 'buy em young' policy is fecking ridiculous. They know basically nothing about football yet they think they have the know enough to impose such a restrictive policy on the club. Irritating, and I'm glad Rodgers is arguing with them over it.
ReplyDeleteppl ar talking about him as if we have missed on messi
ReplyDeleteLiverpool is in no position to offer an international a trial. This is obviously insulting to the player. Man U, Man City, can probably afford to be so conceited. I'm afraid that all the noises coming out of Anfield are all wrong: we are a big club, with world class stars and the ability and finances to sign attract any world class player we want, so you should feel privileged that we're even considering you. The cheek!
ReplyDeleteThere was a time when if a world star was looking to move, Liverpool would be first, second or third on the list. The owners and Ian Ayre need to humble themselves and appreciate our true standing in the football world. They need to acquire a world star to not only prove that they can, but increase Liverpool's pulling power. Then they can start acting smug.
BTW, how comes every club is now a big club? Southampton have a great tradition in developing youngsters, but sold them all to bigger clubs. Otherwise what have they achieved? (The way we're headed, that will be Liverpool in a few years.)
It's the circumstances of the situation rather than the actual player. Banoog's post above sums it up perfectly.
ReplyDeleteHe does look like a hell of a player though for his age, but I do agree with what your saying.
ReplyDeleteAnd as for Rodgers arguing, I think it will definitely be him saying something then them telling him to behave and him apologising lol
Well said andy! i knew if i read this page for long enough i'd find a sensible comment!
ReplyDeleteI think he mean they was a big club in the sense of how many letters are in the name "Southampton" as its quiet a big word I will grant him that.
ReplyDeleteFunny!
ReplyDeleteAnd the reason for Suarez, Agger, Skrtel, Sterling and Suso signing new contracts is that they don't believe in Rogers and are just waiting a new manager to come... ?
ReplyDeleteIts the only plausible explanation
ReplyDeleteJamie just like to put Liverpool do down in general and focus on the negative stuff!! WHen was the last time you wrote something positive about Liverpool? It's always - suarez is a cheat, some x player putting us down, us missing out on a player etc etc etc.. WHat type of reporter are you?? I don't think I have ever seen you do a report on a match?? Why not? Maybe if we play really badly you will highlight it as you always highlight anything negative about liverpool!!!
ReplyDeleteHe was offered a trial because we where not sure that he has the necessary quality! Southampton offered him a permanent deal regardless. SOUTHAMPTON!!!! That could be this players level!
ReplyDeleteYes Southampton the same club who've just changed manager in what's seen by the entire country as a disgraceful act.
Wonder what Forran thinks of the new manager! Do you think he's even heard of him?
How many on here heard of Forran before last week?
Nobody...Suddenly he's been elevated to world class...lol.
This stuff writes itself!
Tbh you don't know the exact circumstances!! Im sure if we really felt he was the missing link and was going to be a big player for us then we would of got him. Going by the fact that we offered him a trial clearly shows that we were not that interested in him but were willing to give him a chance!!
ReplyDeleteand the reason rodgers signings are leaving or cannot get a game is ? the man is out of is depth only someone as clueless as fsg would have hired him in the first place,iam not being funny but he could not even get the lad from swansea to join us instead of spurs(sorry forgot is name)and course your going to sign a new contract if it means more money because if the players not happy they will just leave anyway because its not worth the paper its written on
ReplyDeleteNowhere here he explains why he rejected lfc, hes just talking about south'pton, nothing else, anyway are we gonna feel bad now that this player didnt choose us? We barely know him, he was not gonna be a superstar anyway coming from a norwegian league
ReplyDeleteIt is no secret that we are looking for a centre back, and if one should arrive, then Coates will go out on loan. I'm not sure that this guy's even good enough for the Premier League, but you've stated the situation as it came across to me, that Liverpool was half-hearted in their approach for the player. If money is tight and you have adequate cover AND you know others are chasing him, why be half-hearted? Don't waste your time or the player's time.
ReplyDeleteRumours went out that Brendan Rodger's had never seen the player in action. I don't know how true this is, but this just wreaks of amateurism. Was he recommended by the scouts, but not seen by BR even though everyone knew the transfer window was approaching?
The points you make are sound, but I do worry about the messages coming out of Anfield these days.
Unless its some player that is under 20, I don't see a real need to use trial as a method of gauging how good a player is (although what do I know, I'm a armchair fan). Especially when the lad has been playing senior football for quite a few seasons. Scouts have got to do some work. We bought the likes of Agger who were younger and came from a Scandinavian league, I don't recall us resorting to a trial then. Too right, I say, that Forren knocked back a trial, regardless of whatever club asked to take him on trial.
ReplyDeleteCoutinho does look to be a player that I for one would love to see at the club. But due to his age and experience, I would prefer this window to sign a 'Sneidjer' and hopefully secure the Coutinho deal for the summer.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it that were buying into Jason Carr?.....Why is BR's way of being a LFC manager Bllsht JC?
ReplyDeleteWhat is it that were buying into JC?.....Why is BR's way of being a LFC manager Bllsht JC?
ReplyDeletePersonally I think another option would be that maybe he couldn't be bothered doing the trial. He would also have to wait until next season, should Carragher retire, to have a somewhat regular substitute role to fight for his place.
ReplyDeleteAlso it could once again come down to the stereotype of being about money. Liverpool supposedly have the tier wages and maybe he was offered the same as Sterling and Suso. He might not like the idea of being paid as 18-19 year olds who people outside the premier league possibly wouldn't have heard of.
agree m8 it was an insult,next thing we know they will be asking sniejder to come on trial
ReplyDeleteI agree with the point you make about FSG restricting Rodgers, as I just can't seem to believe that he would say about squad strength and experience more frequently as the window draws on, and then not actually wanting to sign anyone. If FSG were thrusting money at him I think he would happily be spending it right now. (I can only hope for FSG to prove me wrong and would eagerly eat the humble pie......with a huge F...... grin on my face!)
ReplyDeleteI agree mate, i think we showed a bit of interest & that was it, if we,d have truly wanted this guy i reckon we,d have got him, plenty of players better than him have still only been offered trials, if he wanted to join a big name club & was confident in his ability he,d have accepted, turned up & blew us away but he,s happy to gi the saints & fight relegation so good luck to him, he,s got a new manager already
ReplyDelete'Willing to give him a chance'? How many other top clubs show international players such disrespect at the age of 24?! That's the point: he is a Norway international: sign him or look elsewhere; don't belittle his talent by telling him to come and prove himself in a reserve game playing alongside 17/18 year olds with no experience whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteObviously by choosing Southampton he rejected LFC. Also, he explains *why* he chose Saints, and reading between the lines, it's possible to make an educated inference. Not everything is spelled out in black and white.
ReplyDeleteWhy should he be bothered to do a trial? He's an experience international.
ReplyDeleteWhat is going on with Liverpool at the moment? One minute we have money to spend in the transfer window, next minute we don't, now we do. Between the owners, Ian Ayre and Brendan Rodger's the number of mixed messages being sent out is confusing. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't part of our problem with trying to acquire players. May be other clubs are presenting a united, coherent vision.
ReplyDeleteWe may have dodged a bullet here, so I understand the people suggesting losing out on Forren is no big deal, but I'm not concerned in the least about this particular player. It's the bearing the situation has on the club that matters. No one seems to know what's happening at Anfield, yet there are too many people at Anfield talking.I have to hand it to clubs like QPR. Whilst players like Loic Remy are, in some quarters, believed to be over-rated and most players are driven by money, it goes to show that if your chairman and manager are on the same page, and if your owners are willing to back you up, anything is possible.
Snide comments? Listen mate, I responded to your article with my own take on the subject. Basically, what I'm getting at is 'do you honestly believe if Lfc really wanted any player, that player would chose southampton over us?
ReplyDeleteHe definitely will be getting more time on the field with them so its quite obvious he opted for the Saints .
ReplyDeleteI don`t think the idea of buy young is that bad, but not potential. There is a lot of young players who are some of the best in the world, but they cost crazy money. It is there buy young not ready players that my issue is with. Takes Coates as a prime example. For his age, when he has played, although he aint looked solid, for his age, he doesn`t look shocking either, and there is no way you get into the Argie team at all age groups, plus be captain of the youth sides, if you don`t have something about you. However he is still too young to take a place in central defence, maybe 3 years too young, so we pay a large aize amount of money for him, then may look to move him on. It makes no sense to me. He is still a few years under the age defenders normally start to perform better. Why bother signing him so young if you don`t plan on keeping him for at least 5 years till he comes of age. If we are to do this sign them real young, when not ready thing, then it has to be for super cheap, like 2mil tops, not 7plus mil. I can`t see any logic in it, as so many players never make it, it just looks like a massive waste of money.
ReplyDeleteYou started your comment by slagging off the article. Your take on the subject is most welcome; your snide comments are not.
ReplyDeleteSadly, this is the problem, we are no longer a 'big name' club. Yes, bigger than Southampton, but not big enough.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jaimie that we have shown this player disrespect. The deeper, more worrisome aspect, however, is that we are progressively becoming less attractive to players. In years past, a player like this surely would have held out to prove himself at Liverpool. Now we struggle to buy players that should be a shoe-in (eg Siggurdsson)
Sadly yes, but I wish it was as you say.
ReplyDeleteI am more concerned we were even looking at him. what has happened to us?
ReplyDeletebrendon rodgers thinks hes invented a new kind of football he can call it what he likes ,but to me its simple pass and move,preferably forward,something is £15million pound love child seems uncappable of doing.he rodgers comes out with b"llshit in every interview after every match we have lost,which under is control has been more frequent than any other manager than i can remember in my 40years of supporting lfc including hodgeson,roy got the sack yet this chancer still has a job
ReplyDeleteJaimie ,the other day i read comments from Gerrard and Suarez that Liverpool needs a mixture of youth and experience to win Championships and i thought they both definitely made a lot of sense .A few days after those comments we are now hearing of young wannabes (no offence) being linked to Liverpool .It just shows that the people running the Club have not been listening and if they believe they will be ready to challenge a top 4 position in the next two years with a young group of players they are probably wrong .I hope they realise that the Arsenal way is not always the right way to win Championships .We need to sign players who already have the winning mentality if we are serious about challenging the likes of United,City ,Chelsea,Arsenal ,Tottenham right now or next year.
ReplyDeleteWasnt the move to Liverpool going to be a loan? Verses a 3 year contract. That may have played a pert in his decision.
ReplyDeleteCoutinho looks class. As I stated below, I think if signing young you need top young players. I think he does look a very exciting player, and a flair playing Brazilian too, which would be great for the team. The only worry with him, is he loves his little tricks, and not sure how well they will work against Prem defenders. The thing with little tricks, is if you pull it off, brilliant, if you don`t, the team and fans will quickly lose patience with you as you keep losing the ball.
ReplyDeleteI would like to see some experience come into the side, but would def take Coutinho too. If we had the cash, would love Countinho, Ince and Snejider. A great mix of age youth and different styles. Ovs that aint gunna happen, but would be awesome if it did. Would need a big clear out though to let them three come in, and not too sure if the club would be to keen to anyone other than Downing go right now.
your right m8 fsg are cluless and disrespectful,has the grovelling apoloegy they gave fulham been forgotten already why are blackpool refusing even to accept phone calls of lfc because they think they can bully clubs into doing what they want,well they are in for a shock because it wil not happen we will just alienate these clubs more and more ,imo we will not get ince for a penny less than 6.5million because blackpool would rather do buissness with other clubs over us
ReplyDeleteiam sure we would have paid him at least the same as southampton so i do not think wages as anything to do with it
ReplyDeleteSo you'd rather us sign him on the recommendation of our scouts and have him get here and have BR decide he didn't think he was fit for the Premiership (Assaidi all over again). Offering him a trial was a great decision but it didn't work because the player chose another squad that likely matches up with his talent level a lot better. Don't see any problem with what happened.. I don't care who you are, if you have the talent, it shouldn't be a big deal to come prove it.
ReplyDeleteNo Jason I think it's you who comes out b*llshit in every single post you ever wrote, I'm sure the only one whoever likes any of your comments is Jason carr
ReplyDeletelol you just calm down and keep taking the medication
ReplyDeleteFair comment mate, personally as an ex amateur footballer id have jumped at the chance of a trial at lfc, i agree our status isnt what it was but we are far, far bigger than the saints & if this guy had real ambition & confidence in his ability then ehy not havr the attitude of i,ll show them what i can do, personally iam glad we didnt get him
ReplyDeletejaimie what i find amusing is fsg buy them young policy then giving the oldest squad member a start today if we are going to implerment this policy surely today was the game to try and give one of the younger players a go
ReplyDeleteI agree we may have dodged a bullet. This situation notwithstanding, our approach to transfers does leave a lot to be desired.
ReplyDeletePlayers in his circumstances are rarely asked to take trials. Mid 20s, played plenty of senior football, international caps, etc. Players in his circumstances have played enough senior football to be signed without having to go on trial. Yes, scouts and managers can get it wrong but scouts are the most commonly used way to sign players of Forren's circumstances, not trials. Must be plenty of valid reasons why clubs and players neglect trials for players in those circumstances, instead look to utilise scouting. Hundreds of clubs, managers, etc, take the scouting method for decades, rather than the trial method, in those circumstances. Surely, they must be doing it on the basis of some good logic. So no, I don't see it as a messiah-like or 'great' decision to offer a trial to a player of those circumstance. Trials in those circumstances are not the norm.
ReplyDeleteDid you say the same about Agger? ;)
ReplyDeleteAgger was younger but hardly more well known.
Yep, your right there, our dealings & methods in transfers overall has been shambolic for years, scouting system pathetic, lets hope its changing for the better!
ReplyDeletethey don't seem to get that if they carry on been idiots like they are nobody will do business with them and if they do it will be last resort
ReplyDeleteWell said Jason -The Funny thing is when people point out the current stark reality lot of our fans think of it as treason !
ReplyDeleteWhat would it have done for his chances if he had failed his weeks trial at Liverpool. It was a gamble and in a career with a lifespan of 10 years one not worth taking
ReplyDeletelol your right great result today thou
ReplyDeleteLiverpool 5 Norwich 0. Not bad for a guy who is out his depth. Well done today Brendan !
ReplyDeletePersonally, I do not find it the least bit worrying that we haven't signed this guy.
ReplyDeleteThough i can see the point you're making in regards to Liverpool's inability to aggressively sign players, I do not see forren as an example of that situation.
ReplyDeleteI wish idiots like you who just spout negative crap all the time about LFC would just do one, your not a supporter your a fool if you was a supporter the clue is in the name, you should support the team. Anyone with half a brain can see we're moving forward, agreed Allen isn't pulling his weight but the guys 22 and in his first season at a big club with expectation and knowing muppets like you are ready to shoot him down the second he don't perform.
ReplyDeleteAre you copy and pasting these posts Jason or do you actually re-write them every day?
ReplyDeleteWith respect Jaimie you can't reject a club that hasn't offered you a deal can you. We offered a trial, Southampton offered a contract. He may have seen a trial as an insult and that lack of confidence in his ability, along with the likelihood of being a back up player, lead to his decision. This is a completely unproven player that no one had ever heard of. If Southampton hadnt offered a contract and he'd come on a trial with us I doubt anybody would have questioned it. You certainly wouldn't have got these 'insult' claims. If someone prefers to play for Southampton than Liverpool then good luck to them but I think it speaks more of them than us
ReplyDeletebrian norwich 1 point out of 18,come on it was hardley hard if you looked at other post i said we would win easy today just goes to show what we can do when allen dose not start yet again
ReplyDeletegood result today hope rodgers realises allen is the weak link
ReplyDeleteI'm just afraid that the boy becomes the next Coates. Paid a lot to the selling club for the boy to warm the bench or doesn't even make the bench, after 2 year of free training, ready to get out of the club, getting back 20-25% of what we paid for him. That's bloody stupid of us right?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest we don't know the financial package offered, If Southampton offer more wages then that could be the deal maker. It's a bit insulting to the player though to make him have a trial and that too may well have played into Southanptons hands
ReplyDeleteThis is the crux of the issue. We need people with more football involved in the running of the club. This is why a DoF would have been a good idea.
ReplyDeleteIt is a shame Rodgers was so opposed to that (allegedly and understandably from a job security point of view) because he is reaping what he has sown.
Exactly, how many more times do we need to see this? Lucas, hendo and now it's allens turn to get unnecessary abuse. He has to improve no question but let's give him the support and time to do it
ReplyDeleteThat's right! If you want to know how good is this 24 years old Norwegian international, send a scout to watch him, not ask him to come for trial. I'm sure we would not have gotten the service of Hyppia given this attitude. What are they thinking about???
ReplyDeleteSince when does Rodgers think he's invented a new kind of football? I've heard interviews where he specifically says they aren't trying to do anything different that the club is renowned for so your comment is simply not true. And you want him sacked at this stage of the season? What would be the point in that? Who would we get in at this stage to takeover? More importantly who would want to take over at any point at a club that will have sacked 4 managers in 3 years and never given the latest one a chance to build and implement new ideas.
ReplyDeletewhat makes rodgers different to roy and king kenny also the last time you posted a comment to me about how briliant fsg were and i was a disgrace you never repleyed to my answer,so don,t be offended if i cannot be bothered to go into detail with you
ReplyDeleteSaints are gonna sign him :0)
ReplyDeleteHeres hoping :)
ReplyDeleteIf you can't see the difference between Rodgers situation and Roy and kenny's then you're very unreasonable. And when have I ever said FSG were brilliant? That comment is simply not true either, I'd suggest you re-read it. And finally I didn't respond to your answer because there was no reason to, you didn't ask any question and just made an assertion, as you always do. That's why most on here have given up discussing anything with you because you make baseless assertions as 'your opinion', always negative and never offer a solution to the issues you raise. Your entitled to do that but one can't have a discussion with 'FSG are crap', 'Brendan Rodgers is crap' blah blah blah
ReplyDeletethe second hedon,t perfornm m8 tell me the second he dose
ReplyDeletelook m8 if thats how you feel thats fine go and annoy someone else i think you should re read the posts and i think you will find i pointed out 2 good replys to your post which you choose to ignore overcharging for shirts in the clubs superstores ring a bell.thanks for your reply but if we cannot have a discussion simple dont bother
ReplyDeletesorry m8 a must have a 3rd
ReplyDeleteand i did not make any assertions on you in fact you called me a disgrace so it was you who made assertions
ReplyDeleteme too cannot stand another half a season like the 1st half
ReplyDeleteI think you and Jaimie are stuck in the past! If Foren was such a great player why didn't SAF sign him right away? So what Ramirez and Foren went to saint let's see how well they play till the end of the season. We know Ramirez is doing well..Many big time teams looses a chance to sign a player does not mean a thing. Jaimie by the way you have been reporting Daily about countless players coming to LFC but they end up somewhere else or never was coming, should we be CONCERNED?????!
ReplyDeleteJason Carr talks shit. Jamie Kanwar clearly says things controversial to encourage debate and attract people to comment. Fair enough. Trying to make money. Jason Carr though. Talks shit.
ReplyDeletethats the 1st time jaimie has ever been tarred with the same brush as me LOL and i am sure he will not thank you for it ,really as tickled me,i even liked your post
ReplyDeleteCheers Mate! YNWA!!
ReplyDeleteNo Jason, in fact I said your comment was a disgrace, not you personally. And the comment I responded to was. You have since backed up why you think that and fair enough, I don't agree but can see your angle on it. But I stand by what I said above, it's impossible to debate with you because you refuse to offer an opinion on how things can be changed. You trot out the same lines in every comment on all threads, to the point where when I see your comments I forget what thread I'm on. I understand you want FSG and Rodgers out but what I want to know is who would replace them and what would you realistically expect them to do? We aren't gonna get a billionaire Arab or Russian oligarch, and I would hope most fans like me wouldn't want one as we spend so much time slagging Chelsea's and city off for it. So that leaves 'normal' owners who can't spend ridiculous amounts of money without consequence. So other than save us from administration and give reasonable amounts in transfer funds, what would you expect new owners to do exactly that FSG aren't?
ReplyDeleteNice. Not sure jk will appreciate the sami trial sarcasm!
ReplyDeleteYour right, why would top talent even consider Lfc in these dark days. It's not like we have a massive world wide fan base, offer exceptional contracts and win trophies on a regular basis. Stop crying because the team you follow (this week) isn't currerntly buying every player mentioned in the press. When any club offers contracts of 40-50k per week they are in a position to ask exactly whateverthey want. If players chose to look elsewhere then so be it. We do not want them.
ReplyDeleteI find it funny how you all speculate as to how these things are panned out, none of you have an inclin as to how the deal went, who spoke to who, who promised what etc etc
ReplyDeleteThe only person who's done any digging is Jaimie and not even he knows exactly what went down.. He's done the right thing in simply looking at the facts..then you lot start to argue it out and bicker about what you THINK happened. so the players gone to Southampton for regular football, let it go..
Players come and go, and why does everyone slag Rodgers and FSG off? I dont get it, We came close to ManU, spank these Norwich teams, are introducing a strict pass and move football with rodgers vision, which I like.. (arguably we did this before but played a lot of freestyle too) the likes of Kuyt, Bellars and MAxi have gone and we're creating something for the future whilst still getting these results like today whilst we're imposing it! thats an amazing feat from where we have been recently (2yrs)..
Hendo must be doing something right - he seems quite popular amongst travelling fans and those at todays game.
ReplyDeleteOverreaction, much? Obviously Liverpool didn't rate the player. When we want a player it's clear and we usually sign them. What else were we supposed to do in this instance? Sign the player that no one has ever heard of before this week and is only good enough for Southampton? The player wasn't good enough and was asked to prove himself. He didn't fancy his chances and took a contract offer from a PL club who obviously wanted him more. There is no problem there, it's just sensible action from everyone involved. LFC don't need to bend over backwards to get players who don't really want to be here. Every signing we make speaks very highly of the trust and support they feel from Rodgers, so clearly we make a big deal of the players that we really want. Otherwise things like this are actually a smart way of weeding out those players who don't have enough passion to play for us.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't sign Sigurddson because of the salary that the player was after. Give the man a chance, he's only been in the job for a little over half a season, and as have most of his signings.
ReplyDeletePlayers like Allen are still young lads, and you're lucky if they settle in during they're first season. Look at Lucas and even Henderson who is now finding form for evidence of this. No doubt you and the rest of the boo boys were at the forefront of slating these players.
Sadly people like you Jason don't seem to understand the sentiment of the club's motto.
YNWA
Hahahahaha. Your other posts are pretty good. But this is terrible. Hes prob been offered more money and regular playing time. Whats to worry about? The question i ask you is this: where you would rather be, propping up the league or the top 6? Hahahahaha christ grow up pal
ReplyDeleteSeriously guys what's with this obnoxious 'hear Me' JCarr? sounds like a closet Man'*unt, Get lost in your negativity!
ReplyDeleteLiverpool have said they will only sign players who are right for the club- that means the negotiations will have to be a reasonable estimation for the talent. Liverpool as a club won't be bullied into overpaying. This has been one of the factors why we havent been able to sign players such Dempsey, Sigurdsson, Ramierz etc. Liverpool won't budge on deals they feel don't represent good business or is to inflated. Reason why we lost Dempsey and Sigurdsson and I think is the reason why we didn't land Gaston Ramirez. We simply didn't want to pay the salary Gaston wanted not because Southampton are a bigger club than Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteLastly, if Liverpool have to offer trial to see if a player is good enough for the team then that's what needs to be done. Clearly Liverpool felt they wanted test the attributes of Forren before hand. Southhampton obviously felt more comfortable with they player and offered a contract it happens. The fact that you questions liverpools ability to attract players to Southampton not being disrespectful is ludacris. Could Southampton tie up new contracts for the likes of Suarez who was being chased by A.Madrid and PSG, Agger and Skrtel who were being chased by Man City and Barcelona.
Hop in your Small 3series JC & take a spin up the east Lanc rd
ReplyDelete& do you really think that ex man * unt manager would send anything good or positive our way? If he proves to be any good we can pick him up after S'hampton go down
ReplyDeleteI am an experienced international footballer for mozambique - Unfortunatley that stands for nothing :D. Nicklas Bendtner is reasonably experienced international for Denmark he's hardly prolific for his respected club and I wouldn't even take him on a trial.
ReplyDeleteWe need to invest in some quality proven players not only youngsters for the future. I do think we are on our way back, with a signing like Sneider we will finish in the top four.
ReplyDeletesorry owen m8 but i,ve never slaged another player off check my posts i always saw some potential in lucas and henderson which i have posted many times unfortuanatly this is something i have not seen in allen
ReplyDeleteallen is not lfc class sorry not now not ever
ReplyDeleteyour point being ?check my posts on this site i,ve been saying henderson should start for over a month,
ReplyDeleteyourwelcome donttell jaimie
ReplyDeletedid you check out about the shirts or not fsg were making,profit on the same people you said my comment was a disgrace about, so who,s a disgrace me a fan who imo just speaks the truth or fsg for making trying to make a profit on the 96
ReplyDeleteHow did he reject Liverpool - The club must of not wanted him that badly if they didn't put a bid in when Southampton decided to and also Ramirez did not reject Liverpool, the club came out and said they were not interested in him (Kenny and Commoli were after him) - You should stop reading tabloids and then reposting them on your website.
ReplyDeleteThere is no proof that the player rejected Liverpool esp when the club did not place a bid for the player.
Great performance by the boys yesterday!
I'd rather we went for a RB and LB as covers for Johnson and Enrique. Wisdom can play CB then.
ReplyDeleteThis policy,I believe,comes from the 'owners',not Rodgers,and is all to do with not wanting to waste money!
ReplyDeleteAfter the cock-up in forcing Torres out by doing nothing until the final 5 minutes of the transfer window,(false promise's of recruiting good players!),(they wanted 'THE MONEY'),and then being 'stung' by Newcastle's thrifty owner when buying Carroll, I feel sure that they don't want to be 'stung' again! The truth is that they banked 15 million from those two deals!
But then look what they bought?????
I've already said I see your point which is fair enough. I also said I branded your initial comment a disgrace because you just slagged FSG off without adding any context, which you did after and I now say I can see your point. But I notice you hassle me to respond to this but have not responded to what I asked you above. And it doesn't surprise me as you have been asked similar questions by other posters without ever responding, which suggests you have no idea
ReplyDeleteI am absolutely sick of hearing you whinge about Rodgers,Get behind the man he is improving this team but the owners really need to invest in this team in the summer,He is doing the right thing by bringing through the youngsters and making the most of what he has at his disposal.
ReplyDeleteAll this talk about disrespect?! At the end of the day, the guy WAS initially willing to accept the conditions to come on trial!
ReplyDeleteHe was then offered a contract elsewhere and decided that he was better off going with the proverbial bird in the hand. If the offer wasn't deemed disrespectful initially, it doesn't automatically become disrespectful because he received a superior alternative offer.LFC weren't sure about the guy being suitable for our intentions, Southampton were sure about him being suitable for theirs, and both clubs acted accordingly. It was in his best interests to take the deal on offer at Southampton while it was on the table, especially if he wasn't sure he'd cut it at LFC. Simple as. No big deal, no major story.
Liverpool need a quality proven C.B onewho is going to put the shivers up Agger and Skrtel when they play crap.
ReplyDeleteATM there is no one to put the fear of the bench into either of them.
SG is shooting bullets made by BR - obvious BR is playing to the faithfull re wanting exp signings and alluding to disagreements re FSG. Bottom line? All the millionaires running/managing the club are happy with the situation....for now. They are happy to write off Ch L for this season.
ReplyDeleteBut where is the plan for summer buys coming from.... Ayre??? They need someone else in that role - a real football person - never mind brendans bull about not wanting to work for a D of F ---- He couldnt cope with it and managing the team. If we are truly building for the future from the bottom up we need someone in that role prior to the end of the season.
All your articles are always so negative - why were no other "big clubs" coming in for this guy? - speaks volumes - what's the problem with inviting someone for a trial - I don't like fsg or many of their policies, but it's too easy to be negative over everything.
ReplyDeletedont you mean read simple don,t read my posts,i am absolutely sick to death of people like you who only pipe up when we win ,thinking were world beaters,hes got the same team that got to two cup finals last year and spent another 50 million,and not improved the side allen not playing again borinni sorry realy poor assiadi cannot even get a game when hes hear all rodgers signings all not playing so how is he making the best of what he has at is disposal
ReplyDeleteagree m8 whilst i do not really care about torres anymore i can understand why he left as i will understand if suarez decides hes had enough at the end of the season the problem i have with fsg is they are tippicle yanks thay promise the earth and deliver nothing and before anyone replys they have said again that lfc can compete for any player with any club,total b0llocks
ReplyDeletewhats ur keeper like??
ReplyDeleteits a pity we didn t take coates on trail we would have saved ourselves 6 million!
ReplyDeleteI never said it was disrespectful, nor was it clearly implied, nor did I say it was a big deal/major story, if those bits of your posts were aimed at me but more like it was a strange decision as its not the norm for a player of that circumstance. Anyhoo, I disagree with your black-and-white rosy view in general.
ReplyDeleteForcing Torres out ?? Surely you not talking about Fernando ?
ReplyDeleteHere on planet earth , Torres was determined to join Chelsea . Must be the martion Torres you are referring to.
this article says nothing bout him choosing between the clubs nor does he even mentiion snubbing liverpool all it says is he was described as a fantastic player by former lfc defender veggard haggem doesnt event say a bid was placed or contact was made with player form liverpool
ReplyDeleteIts simply for playing time,,,he wont get a look in ,like Coates who we are currently thinking of loaning out
ReplyDeletei don,t think we have made the most of coates i can see him leaving then turning into a good player
ReplyDeleteAlways the drama queen eh Jaimie. Maybe Forren went to Southampton because he knows he wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting a game at Liverpool. I'm glad this guy is realistic and takes his chances at an ambitious club that better fits his ability.
ReplyDeletejas u mentioned the word turning ! he does but its like the bismark ,miles to slow 4 english football
ReplyDeleteI think he could be our 'Ronaldo', i.e. a young, fast, skillful player with a bag full of tricks, which his manager to refine into end product and produce a world class player who people all over the world will recognise and some (not LFC fans) idolise.
ReplyDeleteThe young player I would love to see us sign is Neymar but that's not going to happen due to us not having the Champions League for him to showcase his talent and the ridiculous fee he'll command.
I think, if he comes, he'll be rotated the way we're now seeing with Sterling, Allen, Suso and Shelvey. The fact that Rodgers is leaving doing this is, in itself, testament to the impact that Sturridge has had coming in and that Henderson & Downing are starting to get better and grow into their roles.