17 Oct 2010

Debunking Liverpool FC myths: No 7 – Christian Purslow sacked Rafa Benitez

Until recently, a section of Liverpool fans (led by the Pro-Benitez Cult) had been engaged in a vicious witch-hunt against LFC Managing Director Christian Purslow. That campaign was founded on a number of baseless arguments, chief of which was the notion that the scheming, Machiavellian Purslow was solely responsible for ‘sacking’ Rafa Benitez. That is, of course, totally inaccurate, and the available evidence shows that the reality was far less sinister.

I regularly hear the resilient remnants of the Pro-Benitez Cult moaning about how the club is in its current position because ‘Purslow sacked Benitez’.

Rafa Benitez left Liverpool by mutual consent. Deal with it. He was not sacked - he was offered a payoff to leave the club, and he took it. It’s ridiculous to even suggest Benitez was sacked given the grievous financial penalty the club would’ve suffered if that had happened.

In a recent interview, Benitez himself stated:

“I was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.

Key phrase: I had to accept the offer they made.

Does this sound like he was sacked? NO. It’s very clear-cut. The club released an official statement at the time of Benitez’s departure, which stated:

“Liverpool FC today confirmed that Rafael Benitez is to leave the club by mutual consent”.

This is reiterated in public comments made by Purslow, which were published on the official LFC website. In response to the question “Why did the Board sack Rafa?”, Purslow responded:

"The Board didn't sack Rafa. Rafa's exit was about as clear cut a case of mutual consent as I have ever been involved in my life. Both sides thought it was time for a change, both sides said so at the time, if you go back and check, and I wish him all the very best in his future career. He is a key part of our history and we wish him all the best."

For what possible reason would Purslow (and the club) lie? What evidence is there (in terms of past conduct and/or past evidence of lying) to suggest that Purslow is the kind of person who lie publicly about such an important issue?

In any event, Purslow cannot unilaterally sack Managers! For such an important change, the board of Directors would have to be in agreement that removing the manager would be the right course of action.

In another comment on the subject, Benitez said:

“I was on holidays so it was a surprise that everything was going on in this way, but at the end of the day it has to be like this because Christian Purslow now is in charge so he decided to do it in this way, and that's it”.

What did Purslow decide to do ‘in this way’? Benitez is clearly referring to the method by which he was removed from the club, i.e. the offer of a payoff. In such a situation, who else but the MD is going to broker the deal? And again, any deal on the table would’ve been ratified by the Board; it would not have been Purslow’s decision alone.

Ultimately, there is absolutely no persuasive evidence to prove any of the following:

a) Purslow sacked Benitez.
b) Purslow undermined Benitez.
c) Purslow wanted Benitez out more than anyone else.
d) Purslow was some kind of ‘ringleader’ in an insidious plot to remove Benitez.

If there is evidence to suggest any of the above, please post it in the comments section below.

Purslow was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury.

Jaimie Kanwar


217 comments:

  1. your talk rubbish as always Jamie

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  2. To be honest, I seriously think that there is a fall out in the board although there is no evidence. Rafa was already looking at other clubs after the season was over. Clearly he wasn't happy with the situation of the club, ie no money for transfer. The board can't promise him anything (which anyone can understand). So the only way is to leave and goto Inter. The board wanted him to leave and he wanted to leave, that's what I think happened. I aint pro Rafa but he is better than Hodgson because we won't be in 19th in the league if Rafa was in charge.

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  3. Gosh, such a compelling counter argument :) Why don't you explain why I'm talking rubbish?

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  4. Are you a Manc in disguise? The amount of nonsense posted on your blog is ridiculous. How about you spend less time spouting bullshit and more time taking journalism classes. I'd rather read the garbage posted on Manc/Gooner/Chav blogs than this shit. 

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  5. I'm sick of the Rafa fans. Get over it. Houllier won more in his time at Liverpool than Rafa ever did. Deal with it. Benitez lists 4 trophies won under his 6 years here, which includes the charity shield and the European Super Cup. What a joke

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  6. Still not panicking after 8 games and in 19th place? 

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  7. No, not panicking.  It's a crap position to be in but things will get better at some stage.  Still 90 points to play for.

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  8. To Anon@20.19

    Yes, Houllier won more but Rafa won us the CL and almost the prem. For me, Rafa is the better manager.  I identify more with his philosophy than Houllier's.

    As for the article, I believe there was tension between Purslow and Rafa (and no, I am not a member of the cult as you call it).  I have also heard stories that Jamie Carragher refused to play full back for Rafa, and kept talking to Chris Bascombe about Rafa losing the dressing room.  Is there any truth in that?  If so, it would explain a lot, as I also heard some pro-Rafa players disagreed with Carragher talking down the boss to the press.

    And do you still stick by your claim that we will finish 4th?  At this rate we'll be lucky to finish 4th bottom.  Roy is seriously out of his depth.  We are NOT fulham.  

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  9. the reason Benitez said
    <span> "I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”</span>was because he felt that he had no other choice. who was it that offered him the pay off? He didn't ask for it and if he said he was preparing for the next season he obviously wasn't planning on leaving. If he had rejected the pay off what do you think would have happened then, he was going to be forced out either way.

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  10. You really are a sad sad man with too much time on your hands

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  11. if he had rejected the pay-off he wouldn't hace been sacked - the pay off for that was way too much for the club to afford.  He would've remained as manager but he wouldn't have had significant funds for transfers, or he backing of the board.  This made his position pretty untenable.

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  12. That's three people banned so far for posting derogatory comments.  If anyone else wants to be permanently banned, just continue in that manner!

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  13. I think when a person say says I had to accept an offer especially if responding to the truth of the assertion that it was a 'the clearest case of mutual consent' sounds more like a diplomatic way of saying someone backed him into a position of having to accept the offer. if one side backs someone into a corner that is not mutual.

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  14. Rafa has publicly stated that he was sacked so I suspect this article is nonsense. The reality, judging from Hick's recent comments is that Rafa was probably sacked at Hick's behest. He accused him of not having spent money wisely and of having refused to accept responsibility for his results.

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  15. Sorry Hicks Hater, but that is wrong. Please post the evidence showing that Benitez 'publicly stated that he was sacked'.  If it was publicly stated, it should be easy to find, no?

    I guess you also believe that Benitez was paid 12m+ for having his contract terminated?  That's what would've happened if he was sacked. 

    But he wasn't, so it's a non-issue.

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  16. None of this article proves your argument. Just because he 'accepted the offer' doesn't say he wasn't sacked.

    Rafa is a tactical genius, get him back before the whole of his team leaves and he has to start again.

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  17. whatever happened in that meeting with Rafa, Purslow needs to organize a recurrence of that meeting asap with Hodgson!

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  18. He states in the article you quote that he was pushed into a corner- that in effect he had no choice. That is effectively a sacking. But if you want to continue your non-issue of an argument feel free- other people have lives to live. And by the way how do you know how much he was paid off? Do you know whether there were clauses in his contract that limited what he would get if he were immediately re-employed in another job? No? I thought not.

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  19. Ok so it was mutual but that doesn't mean rafa wanted to go!! sometimes you get backed into a corner and say what you like about him rafa loved our club and did what he thought he had to do, I for one would love to see him back in the dugout at anfield he had his fault's but he knew the team and the city as well as if he was born there!!

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  20. He implies in the article you quote that he was pushed into a corner- that in effect he had no choice. That is effectively a sacking. But if you want to continue your non-issue of an argument feel free- other people have lives to live. And by the way how do you know how much he was paid off? Do you know whether there were clauses in his contract that limited what he would get if he were immediately re-employed in another job? No? I thought not.

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  21. When reading that said article in the Irish Independent, I got the impression it certainly wasn't Rafa's wish to leave, I certainly doubt it was a clear cut case of mutual termination, however there is no way to prove it to the contrary and in reality, mutual termination is what it was.  However I also don't believe it was down to Purslow, 5 man board at the end of the day guys, even if it was his preference.

    As an aside, could I be bold enough to request you rename the 'pro-benitez cult'?! While I understand who you're referring to in this situation, and such people are staunch followers of his, it still peeves me somewhat to use his name to define them! If you can see what im trying to say, admittedly i'm making a poor attempt!!
    Cheers anyway, looking forward to your next installment

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  22. <span>“I was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.</span>
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    </span>eh mate, preparing for next season doesn't mean preparing for next season elsewhere. no he wasn't sacked and no its not purslow's fault. but even an everton fan posing as a liverpool fan like yourself would surely realise from the above sentence that rafa didn't want to leave. the offer made was just the best option cause the board could have done a lot to make his life a lot more difficult than it already was.

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  23. Precisely and would Rafa still be quite so bitter if he had really wanted to leave? But Jaimie you've gone very quiet!

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  24. Well, seeing how out of dept Hodgson is, I doubt he will turn things around, especially when he said we played well!!!!!!!!!

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  25. <span>In a recent interview, Benitez himself stated:

    <span>“I was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.</span>

    Key phrase: I had to accept the offer they made.

    Does this sound like he was sacked? NO. It’s very clear-cut. The club released an official statement at the time of Benitez’s departure, which stated:

    <span>“Liverpool FC today confirmed that Rafael Benitez is to leave the club by mutual consent”
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    </span></span>

    This is sophistry. If the board suggest leaving by mutual consent, the manager's position is untenable. You cannot manage a club without the support of the board. Once that was broached, it was only a matter of what the eventual pay off would be. 

    You don't leave by mutual consent whilst you are on holiday.

    But, it's kind of irrelevant. What happened is not all in the public domain yet. More might emerge now the LBO merchants have left the scene.  But the previous manager is not really germane to our current position. 

    There is persuasive off-camera evidence that CP was briefing against Rafa. But that is a very tedious argument, as my evidence is first hand from people I know. It persuades me, but as you don't know them, and haven't heard it direct, it is hearsay to you. 

    Christian Purslow was an ideal appointment to deal with our LBO owners. A snake to fight a snake. Given more peaceful times, we need directors who are stronger on the football. It is time for me to move on with the clubs gratitude for his role in the change of ownership. I don't think that he is qualified to find us the manager we need. 

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  26. In a recent interview, Benitez himself stated:

    <span>“I was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.</span>

    Key phrase: I had to accept the offer they made.




    Erm, yes it does sound like he was sacked actually. They don't hand him a P45 you know; in the language of the board room, this is the same thing.

    Perhaps if you worked in a professional environment, you'd understand that.

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  27. Nothing to see here people, move along

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  28. Everyone knows Purslow was leaking stories to his mate at the Telegraph about player discontent. Every squad has players that are not happy but once it gets to the media, its magnified ten fold and in Rafa's case the British media magnified it by a million times. Now i didnt agree with Rafa on everything and he did get too involved with the politics which in my opinion casued him to take his eye of the football, but he was left with no choice but too accept. Whilst i applaud Purslow for his efforts over the last two weeks he along with the board messed up big time on the manager.

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  29. People you ban can just repost as guests

    Forget about Rafa, he's history

    Don't waste your time debunking the myths that are believed by fools, address current performances

    We played terribly today, what was going on in midfield?

    No urgency, no pressing, it was easy for Everton

    We made Distin look like Beckenbauer on occasion as he breezed past Lucas looking for a 3rd goal. Maxi and Lucas are rubbish, Cole couldn't deliver one good ball into the box, Torres looks exasperated with the midfield and in general

    I am really worried, we need to play 4-4-2 with wingers on the touch lines

    Johnson on right wing, i guess Cole on left, Stevie and Meireles CM and 2 up top

    We should start giving Pacecho, Ince, Amoo etc time on the bench because these new owners will not allow big spending in January imo

    Give Hodgson another while to turn things around, but we should check on Hiddinks availability

    Even Ian Hollaway would be a good option, Blackpool were excellent today, Charlie Adams ran the show.

    Hodgson said it was a good performance!!! Did we even seriously test Howard? He really could be gone soon, at home to Blackburn, Allardyce hates us, away to Bolton then at home to Chelsea!!

    Hodgson says that he lost 5 of first 6 at fulham so it's ok, dead man walking

    I hope I'm wrong and he turns it around, would City be interested in a Torres / Tevez swap in January??

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  30. Well less be realistic this is not the right manager to take us to the top pick for once and for all kenny dalglish or martin o.neill before we end up in championchip league.

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  31. Thank you so much for debunking this silly myth jaimie, we are all just so grateful to you!!! The best thing about it is Rafa brought us hope and expectation so when we did loose it really hurt cause it didn't happen too often (certainly not to the likes of blackpool and northampton at home) Now thanks to the board for getting involved in football matters when they should have stuck to what they were there for, we no longer have any hope or expection and I couldn't give a rats ass when we loose because I never expected anything else. And by the way why would Purslow lie!?? are you kidding me?? eh..maybe because he knew the majority of fans were still with rafa and obviously he didn't want to upset them. Nevermind we should win a good few games in the championship next season!

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  32. Hi Jamie,

    I am afraid that I am not with you on this. "Mutual consent" means that Rafa was told that he was not wanted and therefore agreed to go. How could he stay once the owners saw this as an opportunity to get rid of a thorn in their side? Purslow could not have made the decision, certainly not on his own, this must have come from H&G.

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  33. Although, as you see, I clearly agree that it was not Purslow who took the decision, at least not on his own.

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  34. Care to back this up with evidence (to borrow one of your favourite phrases ;) )? I haven't seen anything to suggest anything will change for the better. By now we should be seeing the methods of the manager starting to shape the way we play- simply not happening is it? The after match quotes the suggest our manager thought it was a good performance leave me with no hope at all.

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  35. The Roy Hodgson Brigade10:18 pm, October 17, 2010

    Nature took it's course. Rafa was here for six years and his tenure came to an end. When will we just move on?

    Problem with Rafa which also lead to his downfall was involving himself to much in the media. He tried to play their game and failed miserably. When you are sitting in a room with journalists faoming at the mouth and try to make them look like idiots by saying the most comical things thinkable i.e. I guarantee 4th, then you can be assured that it will make headlines news in every sports section available.

    Journalists most probably also couldn't get over of the fact when he continuously repeated himself. Nobody but himself can be blamed for loosing to the media.

    I was once one of his staunch followers but you can only give that much till it comes to a bitter end...

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  36. There was tension between Purslow and Rafa. Before that there was tension between Parry and Rafa. And would Purslow have gone instead of Rafa there would be tension between who ever came in instead of Purslow and Rafa. Sooner or later there will be tension at Inter because Rafa doesn't get everything his way.

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  37. Why has Rafa been brought up again? He's now history as he should have been years ago. There are far bigger issues to discuss like possible relegation and the huge matter of a new stadium which may have to be shared with Everton...whether fans like it or not.

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  38. And everyone knows Benítez was politicking at every opportunity against the entire management of the club, including Purslow. I think this whole Rafa thing is a case of irony. Rafa tries for years to get rid of Parry, because Parry just won't do everything Rafa wants him to. At last he has success, but the guy who is hired instead of Parry gets rid of Rafa. I am happy that we had Mr. Broughton on board at the time and not some toothless folks, because in that case it may well have been Purslow who went and not Rafa.

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  39. Rafa was really good at bringing the fans behind him. The blind lead the blind.

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  40. Very sensible post!

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  41. People are still bringing it up as this site was campaigning to get rid of him and look where we are now. People are right to feel sense of 'told you so'. Because we did. We are now reaping what kanwar wanted.

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  42. While you are right, this topic will be brought up again and again because some people, maybe even many people, still think Rafa is the next Messiah.

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  43. always interesting but need clarification on what constitutes a derogatory comment. as i want to be heard.

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  44. The Roy Hodgson Brigade11:14 pm, October 17, 2010

    How can you say it was what Jaimie wanted when clearly it was LFC who made the call and Rafa agreed.

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  45. I have to disagree mate. Jaimie - and many others, were right about Rafa all along. What Hodgson is faced with now is cleaning up the mess that Rafa left behind. The reality is that H&G destroyed the club while Rafa destroyed the team...and it was evident well before last season.

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  46. I said he wanted it because there are countless articles to prove it. I thought that would be clear to anyone, evidently not. At least the sand keeps your head warm.

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  47. The Roy Hodgson Brigade11:37 pm, October 17, 2010

    So you are suggesting that LFC visited Liverpool-Kop, read the articles and then made their decision and Rafa agreed that Liverpool-Kop had the final say?

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  48. Yeah, blindly followed him through Europe. Still, will follow Roy to championship. Spot the difference? And it was us who were blind...

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  49. The Roy Hodgson Brigade11:43 pm, October 17, 2010

    Yeah Anteater, you have made a very good point there. Rafa will be brought up over and over again. Not only by those who bleed for him but also those who are glad to see the back of him. 

    The only way Rafa will be forgotten is when we have a manager that wins the EPL which he couldn't do in six attempts. That should put a smile back onto everyones faces. It is in fact the Holy Grail which every LFC fan has been craving since the last time The King delivered it for us.

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  50. Can you not read? I said kanwar wanted it, never stated he influenced it. Read it again.

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  51. Can you not read? I said kanwar wanted it, never stated he influenced it. Read it again.

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  52. The Roy Hodgson Brigade11:50 pm, October 17, 2010

    :-D

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  53. I'll put it like this, i don't care if it was mutual consent or if he was sacked, or if he left freely, the key issue is that RAFA ISN'T HERE ANYMORE! and i can't say he has worked miracles in Inter during the last 3months either, even if he has so much better team and a full support of a owner and board! If Rafa fails to win Serie A this season, he will be sacked for sure. I do doubt that he will fail to win Serie A, cause Milan has a rejuvented side and Juve is getting stronger by every game...

    Now my primary concern is Roy, I wanted Rafa out and wanted him out for the last 3years, his season in 08/09 just bought him time, and on this I quote Shankley - If you win, you're first, if you're second you are nothing!
    Now with Roy I wasn't overwhelmed when he was appointed, even if I do think it was nice with a change and the squad seemed happy with the appointment, unfortunately the team has suffered during the last 7 Premiership games, and that morale booster that a new appointment of a new manager is now gone and you are stuck with a team that doesn't have any gameplan at all...
    Rafa left a decent team behind, but he left a team that struggle with goals, and since we didn't get any improvement in that area during the summer window, reverting to a new tactic, without any options due to lack of alternatives on the bench, won't help!

    Now, we have new owners and that is brilliant, I happy that we can finally move forward with the debt taken away from us and start spending money on players again, NETSPENDING that is. Not needing to sell and then buy!
    Even if we need to have a player sale, there is a lot of deadweight hanging around Melwood....

    Peace

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  54. The Roy Hodgson Brigade11:53 pm, October 17, 2010

    Guest, did you mean this part?

    "We are now reaping what kanwar wanted."

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  55. Followed Houllier blindly, too. When he finally got sacked there were many people cheering. I wasn't, but after a while I had to accept that it was time for a change. Now was the right time for a change again, Rafa got sacked or left by mutual consent, but people are mourning. That's the difference between Houllier and Benítez. Concerning Roy, well, surely would help his cause if people would start backing him instead of asking for Rafa to be returned to his post.

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  56. Yes I think he means that part. The part where he says Kanwar wanted it. As previously stated at no point does the poster say that it was influenced by this site. Just for clairication: he says Kanwar wanted it. He doesn't say he influenced it any way, shape or form.

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  57. Yeah. He wanted it. Are you stupid? Serious question.

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  58. Yeah. He wanted it. Are you stupid? Serious question.

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  59. I suspect that certain sections of our fellow fans will then claim that Rafa would have won the League by then aswell.

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  60. Kanwar, as you call him, wanted Martin O'Neill.

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  61. So Rafa's gone, H&G are gone, new owners are in place, yet all the arguments between fans continue. Is this the problem that Liverpool Football Club has been facing - and look like continuing to face, all along? Are the clubs own fans its biggest danger?

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  62. The "mess" Rafa left finished 7th last season and he was sacked for that. At this point in time there can't be many people that wouldn't take 7th if it was offered now.

    The players at the club are nowhere near as bad as is being made out. We need strengthening in some areas but to be (deservedly) 19th in the table with the players available is beyond belief- and has nothing whatsoever to do with Benitez.

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  63. I am really glad that at least some fellow Reds have some sense in them.

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  64. Roy hearing rags being asked back? How? Best excuse yet for the abject performances. We have regressed in every single area. Roy doesn't need time, he needs his P45.

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  65. Why do you continue to do this12:18 am, October 18, 2010

    Sorry niot going to even read the article.
    You seem to crave journalistic credibility
    -but then you start with that headline-next stop the Snu
    So those that still like Rafa are a cult?
    I think that its understood he wasnt perfect-by everybody
    but those that supported him understood the background
    and as footie fans the fact that no manager can get things 100%
    (-not even your beloved fergie!)
    Also as a liverpool supporter why do you continually rip into Rafa
    -ONE of ONLY THREE managers to win a certain cup in our history!

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  66. It must be difficult for a manager to take reign at a team that finished seventh, then loose the player of whom many fans claim that he is the best in the world in his position (Mascherano), hence your squad getting weaker, but have fans that want instant improvement if not success. What doesn't help either is that too many fans still don't get over loosing Rafa and not appointing Mourinho. Fans who right from the off said that Roy wasn't a Liverpool manager. These people spread negativity and don't get behind the manager and squad. And then they are surprised that there is no instant success.

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  67. why do you write as if people reading are stupid. sometimes you have good sense but when you want to play your political game with purslow you sound to be talking to idiots. your favor roy hod is failing, FACRT! (i know the spelling). you are one of the people who caused purslow to fail in his conceit to remove rafa in favor of an englishman who could wrap his hand around the 'professional children' like gerrard. i wonder how encouraged gerrard is now with these numerous humiliations on the pitch.

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  68. I have to disagree "mate". How did Rafa destroy the team? By nearly taking them to the title? By bringing in quality youngsters in? Pacheco, Dalla Valle, Ayala, Ngog, Ngoo, Amoo, Ince, all brought in by Rafa. Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Skrtel, Agger, all brought in by Rafa. Whether you like Rafa or not and you clearly do not, he tactically learned from his mistakes as time and time again he got the better of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, as well as making us a force in Europe. I said from day dot that Hodgson was not the man for the Liverpool job, I believe we should have gone for Pellegrino or Lippi. And to comment on what so many have commented on, the "I had to accept the offer they made" as the key quote. You are right, it IS the key phrase, but not for the reasons you think Jaimie. If he had said I decided to accept the offer they made then I would understand and even be tempted to agree with what you are saying. But "I had to accept the offer they made" clearly states that he had no other alternative. The key phrase is actually "I realised I had to accept the offer they made". Yes, only two words onto the front, but those two words speak volumes. This is completely biased "journalism" from a tremendously anti-Benitez "fan"

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  69. GET A LIFE

    great team performance today , deserve article . no ?

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  70. ah another i told u so , im proved right caus i say so right silly soap box spout

    please give us some interseting relevant topics

    such as - wehre has our world class midfield gone ?

    the meglomanic tendancies shown hear only spell one thin ' bravo sierra)


    bak to more pressing relevant qs-

    why do set out so deep?

    ffs we have no application in midfield  sg is carrying his wayward form from last yr to this - on form from last we sold the wrong midfield general!

    any way 2 wins and all is right bak on trak,

    hope it happens soon?

    besides prices are cheaper and tikts easier to get in the championship! joke

    walk on

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  71. Any "fan" that entertained any thought that Mourinho would come if we sacked Benitez is simply not on this planet.

    And as for "spreading negativity" the manager seems to be doing a good enough job of that on his own by going to the likes of Birmingham and "not expecting much".

    If we were sat in mid table but showing a few signs of things to come people would be reasonably happy. We are 19th. The manager has not instilled anything new into the team. It's not blind panic or people wanting instant success- when a new manager comes in you just expect to see his influence in the way the team plays and that hasn't happened. Can anyone name anything positive in terms of tactics, the shape of the team, the style of football or his "motivational skills" that Roy has brought to the table?

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  72. Cannot wait for Liverpool v Leeds home and away next season

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  73. Hicks Hater - What is implied is irrelevant; what we can prove is what matters.  Whether I know for a fact how much Benitez was paid off is also irrelevant.  What *is* relevant is that based on the available evidence, he was not sacked.

    If someone is backed into a corner and then agrees to a pay off, that is not being sacked, no matter how you twist it.

    The most compelling reason why Benitez was not is also the most obvious: it would've cost the club a ridiculous amount of money, something that would never have been sanctioned.  Also, there's no point lying about because the truth would come out in the next accounts, which will be released next year.

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  74. So, I guess youi are yet another person who actually believes that the club paid off the remaining 4 years of his contract and handed over about 12m?!  You'd have to believe that if you believe Benitez was sacked. So, do you believe that?

    That is the reason why it is clear he was not sacked.

    Plus, you actually believe Purslow, Broughton and everyone else at the club is lying about it?  I guess you also believed that Purslow was in league with the owners, and was working agaisnt the club, doing H+G's bidding; trying to delay the sale of the club. Oh, wait...

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  75. I actually have other things to do sometimes you know; I'm not online 24/7.

    The issue is not about whether Benitez wanted to leave.  Where have I raised that issue?  I agree - he probably didn't want to leave.  The issue is, was he sacked by Purslow? The answer is no.

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  76. It sounds like he was sacked?  Well, that must make it true then!

    Maybe you should look up the definition of being sacked.  Having your contract terminated has legal consequences; Benitez may have been backed into a corner, but when all is said and done, he was NOT sacked.  He agreed to leave - he may not have wanted to, but he agreed; and he received a nice chunk of change for his trouble.

    The issue posed in this article is whether Benitez was legally sacked (and by Purslow); it is not whether he wanted to stay/go. or if his position was made untenable.

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  77. Everyone knows Purslow was leaking stories to his mate at the Telegraph about player discontent<span></span>

    Please explain how 'everyone knows' this.  I must hae  missed that memo.  If you had to prove it in court would you stand up and say 'Well, your honour - everyone knows that Mr Purslow was leaking stories to the telegraph'

    That is just another vicious, unsubstantiated rumour started by the idiots who were part of the anti-Purslow Witch-hunt.

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  78. Yes, I wanted Benitez gone, and I am still happy that he is no longer at the club.  I supported Benitez for almost 3 years before I started to heavily criticise him, and by then it was more than warranted. try and find anything written anywar from 2004-2006 where I was critical of Benitez; you won't find it.  I always support new managers without criticism, which is why I'm supporting Hodgson now.  It's true that Benitez was not much choice to take over fro Houllier, but as soon as he got the job, I supported him.

    Similarly, Hodgson was not my choice to take over from Benitez but I still support him.

    Every article I have written about Benitez has explored relevant issues; just because his supporters don't like it doesn't mean the issues should not have been discussed.

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  79. Anything ad hominin, i.e. attacking the person rather than the argument. Slagging off me, the site, other posters etc.  Saying things like 'your articles are shit' or 'this site is crap, I don't know why I visit here' etc.  I don't take it personally - that's not the point.  I don't want people to have to wade through post after post of crap just to get to the debate.  if you want that then there are hundreds of LFC forums about that will cater for that.

    People who argue their points in the right manner don't have a problem - their comments will always stay up.  People who can't do that and include personal insults etc will have their comments removed. If people don't like that, tough.  it's simple: debate properly and stick to the issues and there won't be a problem.

    I have no problem with people vehemently disagreeing with me, or tearing my arguments to shreds, as long as they do it in the right way.  It's easy to say 'you're talking rubbish - you're a cu*t!  it's harder to construct a decent counter-argument.

    For examples of how it's done, see replies on this thread from Anteater, Voland, Roy Hodgson Brigade, Anti Czar, Cikku, Yewo et al (not an exhaustive list).

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  80. I agree with you -those two words do speak volumes; they suggest that he was forced into a corner and had no alternative by to accept.  That's all fine, but it doesn't mean he was sacked.  Even if he was forced into a corner, Benitez could've said 'No - I'm not accepting your offer', and put the ball back LFC's court.  Then they would've had to sack him or let him stay in the job.

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  81. Anything ad hominem, i.e. attacking the person rather than the argument. Slagging off me, the site, other posters etc.  Saying things like 'your articles are shit' or 'this site is crap, I don't know why I visit here' etc.  I don't take it personally - that's not the point.  I don't want people to have to wade through post after post of crap just to get to the debate.  if you want that then there are hundreds of LFC forums about that will cater for that.  
     
    People who argue their points in the right manner don't have a problem - their comments will always stay up.  People who can't do that and include personal insults etc will have their comments removed. If people don't like that, tough.  it's simple: debate properly and stick to the issues and there won't be a problem.  
     
    I have no problem with people vehemently disagreeing with me, or tearing my arguments to shreds, as long as they do it in the right way.  It's easy to say 'you're talking rubbish - you're a cu*t!  it's harder to construct a decent counter-argument.  
     
    For examples of how it's done, see replies on this thread from Anteater, Voland, Roy Hodgson Brigade, Anti Czar, Cikku, Yewo et al (not an exhaustive list).<span></span>

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  82. Your ignorance astounds me. 2 years ago we came 2nd with 86 points and lost only 2 league games all season. Have you seen us this season? We are light years away from putting in that kind of performance despite still having most of the same players. For example when we beat ManU 4-1 at old trafford that season Reina, Lucas, Kuyt, Torres, Gerrard, Skrtel, Aurelio and Carragher started that game (Mach, Reira and Hyypia were the other 3). This manager can't even get his team to beat blackpool at home for christs sake. So if people including myself keep going on about Rafa it's because we understand exactly what we have lost and you evidently don't. And Anteater are you seriously comparing Rafa to Houllier? Houllier - 1 CL Quarter final, Benitez - 2 QF and 2 finals. Overall win %Benitez - 55.43, Houllier - 50.8. Let's leave the debate there shall we...

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  83. Jaimie, you're talking nonsense again....why not write something about our results on the field now? You always mentioned that Roy is a better manager than Benitez and why not analyse the results from the footballing perspective?
    Or is it because you've got nothing to defend...I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!

    Shame on you....this is the problem when a club has fans like you...

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  84. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  85. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  86. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  87. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  88. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  89. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  90. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  91. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  92. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  93. Jamie, this article isn't (or shouldn't be) about whether Rafa was 'legally sacked'. That's a technical irrelevance.

    Whether he was 'legally sacked' or forced out, the question is whether he was 'got rid of' by Purslow.

    From what I've read so far, your defence of your article simply comes down to "strictly speaking he wasn't legally sacked so Purslow is all clear".

    When fans complain that Purslow sacked Rafa, they don't care about the legal definition of sacking. They mean that Purslow was responsible for Rafa leaving, when Rafa wanted to stay.

    If you don't feel Purslow was solely to blame, then fine, focus on that point, but get over the technicality of the legal definition of sacking. That's not the point.

    Oh, and you keep talking of lack of proof from commentors disagreeing with you. You also have no proof to back up your own claims. Yes both parties spoke to the press. But a statement reported by the press is proof of nothing, except of what that person wants the press to report.

    Managers are often 'sacked' / 'forced out' / 'gotten rid of' "by mutual consent". It's a reputation friendly way of sacking somebody.

    From what I can tell, interpreting the same evidence you have interpretted, Rafa wanted to stay, the board wanted him gone. That's not mutual. Once it became clear his position was untenable he agreed a settlement. That final agreement was mutual. It doesn't make the entire process mutual.

    He was (by my interpretation of your evidence) forced out against his wishes. Was Purslow the driving force behind this? I don't know. But that question is far more important than arguing about the legal definition of being sacked.

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  94. OK jaimie you win Rafa wasn't sacked instead he was told that the board does not support him and that if they had the cash they would have fired him but since they don't he can either leave on mutual consent or they will not give him any cash in the summer and make his life more difficult. Hmmmm guess you never worked in an office before cause i can tell you that when a certain employer wants an employee gone but can't fire him they will make life a living hell for that person till they quite or finds another job, technically its not considered a firing but everyone in the office knows that the person was pushed out. 

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  95. Still not panicking hey. Considering that Roy stated we should look at the table after 10 games and then we can gauge how we are going, it's not really looking all that bright. 8 games, 2nd last, and we are playing some of the most ridiculous football that has ever been played in the EPL. If things continue on this path, ie Roy remaining as our manager, next year we will be watching the game in the championship. Yes, there is 90 points to play for, but if you look at the results so far, and the way the team has been playing, or rather not playing, it is difficult to realise where any of these points are going to come from. playing a lone striker whilst having a defensive midfield is just plain suicide, if you knew anything about football you would have come this conclusion eons ago. Making changes in the last 20 mins of games gives you little time to get results. And Roy is not the kind of man to concede that he is making a mistake. At least Rafa had the tenacity to make changes when things wern't going his way, granted they didn't always pay off, but at least he got results, Torres got to see the ball all to often, something that he is not getting any of with Roy's "tactics". I was not a huge fan of Rafas, but i would take him back in heartbeat over this senile buffoon we have as our current manager.  In essence time will be our downfall, as if we give Roy anymore time this team will be in ruins. Was it a mistake to get rid of Rafa, maybe not, but it was a monumental one to appoint Roy.. We dont need time, we need a manager who knows how to get results, something Roy is currently incapable of.

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  96. Oh Dear, people disagreeing with you again?

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  97. Rafa is history. Its a mistake to sack him but whats done is done.

    We have got bigger problems now in Roy. We are not immune to relegation and I believe we will get relegated if we stick with Roy. The faster he goes the better as the new manager will need time to work on the squad. A decision needs to be made NOW.

    You dont need to look further than at Spurs two seasons ago with Ramos.

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  98. unbelievable to compare houlier with benitez .. Benitez would have won the league had he managed in less turbulent times .. 2 years ago we came the closest in the last 20 years and he had had to deal with the leeches bickering , starving him of cash , Gerrard being arrested , kidney stones , the british media and their ultimate xenophobic reactions to Benitezs methods and philosophies ...( we have leaked far more now than under him ) Hodgson not switching team much but no cohesion etc) ..We always got something out of a season under Benitez.. High league placing champions league final twice , league cup final and FA cup final .Only last year gave us nothing . If utd had acted the same 20? years ago with a winless largely clueless Ferguson , there would have been no sir alex, fucksake .
     yes it is true purslow didnt sack Benitez but only in the wording and financial implications .It was heavily suggested Benitez could not continue and Benitez with some dignity agreed .
     We will see in time had he been around before any leech takeovers or the internet age and lack of patience Mr Raphael Benitez would have delivered.

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  99. I cant believe a manager with 35 yrs of experience can make Liverpool look like a league 1 team in just a short while. It's seems we dont even have the squad to be in championship. Yes he has his own brand of football, 35 yrs of experience will suggest to any fans that he will implement it slowly without compromising results, but i seeing the opposite.
    From the moment he join us, all i hear is negative/strange interview as thou i am watching a different game, pushing all blames to B team when it's the B team progressing in Europa, stabbing himself in the foot with pre/post conference.
    Where is the pass & move he offer? Where is the man-management skills he offer? Where is his ability to bring out players potential? Oh i see nothing yet in fact i dont see any stability, all i hear is ranting about players quality, previous owner distraction, no fund available and I NEED TIME.

    Of cos we will give you the time, even thou we dont want you in the first place but we understand new manager need time. But dont take liverpool fans as stupid, it's clear this job is too big for him

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  100. Stop obsessing with Rafa and try write something about Roy.

    Your readers in timbuck II are counting on it.

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  101. Yokohama Liverpool Fan6:25 am, October 18, 2010

    There are no managers available anymore in Rafa's league. Winning 2 La Liga titles in a league where Barca and Real are the Juggernauts, reaching the latter stages in the Champions League, winning the FA Cupe, League Cup, Super Cup and coming runnersup to United.

    So whoever was involved in Rafa's sacking should hang their heads in shame because we have a real possibility of relegation or lower half finish at best for the next couple of seasons. Surely eveyone can see how the team has seemingly lost the ability to keep possession, close players down, defend or create chances of any note. 90 points left to play for.

    Whoever comes in after Hodgson whether it will be O'Neill or somebody of similar calibre will not be an improvement on what Rafa was able to accopmlish for Liverpool despite being hamstrung for the last 3-4 transfer windows. 

    We have had more courtroom victories than league victories 8 games into the season. That says it all!!

    Quite frankly Houllier will be an improvement at the moment.

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  102. Still thinking about 4th? How critical and blinded is that?

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  103. Jamie,

    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this article. It is clear from the quotes that the board decided that they wanted a new manager. They approched Benitez and told him that they wanted to pay him off for the remainder of his contract. In this situation if you are Benitez you're in effect being offered redundancy of course you can fight it but what are you alternatives? The board can just turn around and sack you which would be embarrassing and may lead to drawn out legal tribunial as Benitez would seek his full compensation as stipulated by his contract and LFC would need some of that money to pay off the contract of the new manager (Hodgeson). 

    But lets look at it another way. Lets say you are Benitez you walk into a room with the Chairman and Purslowe and they tell you that they want to offer you some money to go. Of course you can stay but if you've lost the confidence of the Chairman and MD then how you are going to get money for transfers? and once the players and coaching staff find out you are pretty much a lame duck. So in this situation when its clear that the board want you out the only thing Benitez can do it negotiate a payoff.


    Once the board approached Benitez with an offer for him to go they were in effect dismissing him. This is why Benitez said " I <span>was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.</span>

    The LFC board were smart because they probably knew that Inter Millan were sniffing around and so there was room for them to negotiate Benitez out given that he would have a job to go too. 

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  104. <span>Jamie,  
     
    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this article. It is clear from the quotes that the board decided that they wanted a new manager. They approched Benitez and told him that they wanted to make him an offer to break his contract. In this situation if you are Benitez you're in effect being offered redundancy of course you can fight it but what are you alternatives? The board can just turn around and sack you which would be embarrassing and may lead to drawn out legal tribunial as Benitez would seek his full compensation as stipulated by his contract and LFC would need some of that money to pay off the contract of the new manager (Hodgeson).   
     
    But lets look at it another way. </span><span>Lets say you are Benitez you walk into a room with the Chairman and Purslowe and they tell you that they want to offer you some money to go. Of course you can stay but if you've lost the confidence of the Chairman and MD then how are you going to get money for transfers? and once the players and coaching staff find out then you are pretty much a lame duck. So in this situation when its clear that the board want you out the only thing Benitez can do it negotiate a payoff.  </span>
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    Once the board approached Benitez with an offer for him to go they were in effect dismissing him. This is why Benitez said " I <span>was preparing for the next season but after the meeting with Mr. Broughton and Mr. Purslow I realised that I had to accept the offer they made”.</span>  
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  105. That is a pathetic arument. Grow up.

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  106. Last comment to Mr Kanwar.

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  107. mcphee, you're absolutely spot on in all you say.

    Jamie is spinning the offical line "Rafa was not sacked" technically he wasn't, but we all know what "I had to accept the offer they made" means and I'm not surprised Jamie hasn't responded to this comment.

    The manner in which he left the club was awful.  No matter what you thought of him as a manger - he brought us many great nights, trophy success and millions in competition revenue - and he wasn't even given a proper opportunity to say goodbye to supporters..?

    But he did it his own way, on Merseyside, with his wife Montse, who had been involved in several charities, they took to the streets andd gave thousands upon thousands of pounds to Merseyside charities.  Rafa understood Liverpool, its people and its Football club, he spoke up against the London biased media and he refused to take it from H & G - which we ALL agree on.

    Purslow is certainly accountable for the manner in Rafas departure and has a lot to answer for as a "non footballing" MD

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  108. Does this sound like he was sacked?

    Yes, yes it does.

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  109. Off coursehe was sacked. When Rafa said " I realised I had to leave" he is saying, that he had no other options left.  He had to leave, he did not want to, but he had to.

    I still think that Purslow is the right man for Liverpool, and hopefully with the new ownership we can move forward instead of seying other clubs passing

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  110. Rafa benitez is a legend, he done the best he could at Liverpool. He had hardly any funds compared to the likes of Chelsea, Man United, Man City etc but still he managed to get Liverpool to a decent place. He won the champions league and the F.A cup. Who was the last manager for Liverpool to achieve that? He brought in the likes of Alonso, Garcia etc and they made massive differences to the fortunes of Liverpool. People go oh he left a crap side for Liverpool, are you kidding me? Rafa built the Liverpool side up but thanks to a lack of funds he had to sell players to fill vital positions. Then idiots at the club turned on him and made his position untenable. He loved Liverpool but there is only so much one man can take. Rafa benitez will always be a Liverpool legend and he will only get better as a manager. It's a shame we couldn't keep him and now have to rely upon roger roy. I hope we at least avoid relegation.

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  111. Jamie, what do you say to those people who were prediciting bad things under Hodgson in July who you said were "looking pretty stupid right now"? (or something similar). I'd say they're looking pretty perceptive.

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  112. 25% out of 24 points = 6 points, 25% out of 90 = 22.5 or 23

    not that good, no glimpse of improvements so far

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  113. Mate, I wish I had as much time on my hands as you.

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  114. No, that's not what I said at all. That comment was in relation to the ownership situation, and LFC's long term future. Stop looking at things so short tem. It's only 8 games into the season; 90 points still to play for, and whether it's with RH or someone else, LFC will be fine this season.

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  115. And your caling people "idiots" isn't a "derogatory" comment?

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  116. Mate, to be honest most of your arguments are utterly pointless. You have a tendency to complicate life! No one really truly knows how rafa left, but he leaves with our respect and admiration, as he has truly earned it for 6 dedicated years to the club. If you feel that your loyalty lies with the johnny come lately, that's your choice, just stop spitting your poisnous bile about rafa, let us the fans remember his positive contributions to the club, and give the man some respect for putting his beck on the line for a club and a job he clearly loved. And if you wanna believe that these money men care then more, then good luck to you, but never be so cocky as to suggest you know things as a fact!!!!!'

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  117. The quotes you have used in your article has just exposed that your opinion is as incorrect as you possibly could be. You only have to have read some of Rafa's recent comments to know that although it was described as mutual consent by the club the reality is that he was forced out and would welcome a move back. This is poor Jamie, incoherent if not ignorant. 0/10

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  118. I generally like your articles, however your ego is a bit of a problem. It is one thing to go on a mission to educate fans, but it is an entirely different thing to pretty much proclaim "I am right, the rest of you are stupid and ignorant". You need to cut the arrogance and remember we are all fans. This has nothing to do with your current article, but a more general comment.

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  119. Tom - stick to debating the issues raised in the article.  if you continue to insert derogatory comments into your posts (now edited) I will ban you.

    My opinion is not correct; your interpretation of the article is incorrect.

    Whether Benitez was forced out is irrelevent - I don't dispute that he was.  The question is WAS HE SACKED (within the legal definition of the meaning). The answer is NO. 

    Forcing someone out is not being sacked.  It might be tantamount to being sacked, but it is not correct or accurate to then say that person was sacked.

    Additionally, this article is about whether Benitez was not only sacked, but whether he was sacked by PURSLOW (which he wasn't).

    If people persist with misrepresenting the article, that's not my fault.  it is absolutely not correct for people to constantly go around saying Benitez was sacked.

    And as I've argued earlier, if he was sacked then tha would trigger a huge 12m + payout from the club. 

    All the *available* evidence suggests that:

    * Benitez and the club agreed it was time for him to move on
    * Benitez's position was made untenable, therefore he had no option to accept the offer

    However he accepted it, he did - by his own admssion - accept it.

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  120. So, official statements from the club and from Purslow explaining exactly what happened, plus Benitez stating he accepted the club's offer  = no one really knowing what happened? The opposite is true; you just don't wan to accept it.

    Why don't you just accept the club's statement on events?  Why would the club lie?  Please show me a history of evidence illustrating that the club is of such low character that it would lie about important issues.  Please show specific examples of the club lying about other important events in the past (via official statements).

    If there was a history of this then I could understand people refusing to believe the official statement.  There isn't, os suggesting that there is deception going on here is just not fair.

    The truth is peoples' support of Benitez is blinding them to the truth, just like it id when he was at the club.  The blind faith continues...

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  121. If purslow new that  new owners were in the pipe line why did he let refa leave or sack him i think because he wanted a yes man who didnt question what was going on in the club so he appointed roy big mistake as our league position shows now it is up to purslow to bite the bullet and show what he is made of and dismiss roy and bring in a top class manager  before it is to late and the crowd turn on him were gratefull what he has done to help sell the club and get the yanks out but now he has to do something or all his good work will mean nothing to us reds

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  122. Mcphee and Ferr'y.

    Both absolutely spot on.

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  123. listen guys..its clear..Rafa accepted the OFFER..my guess is he sympathised with Liverpool's situation & left with a minimum payoff as he knew he had burnt a lot of bridges with the owners etc & everyone needed a change...he knew liverpool would have to pay a huge amount to sack him & if he wanted, he would have just tagged along waiting for the board to sack him...

    RESPECT THE MAN FREINDS!!

    As for Roy, its so obvious he's clueless about plan B, C etc as he looks lost most of the times...the fact is if he's around till even January, God help us!!!

    Look at his ambition...Chris Brunt???i would sign him to deliver my grocery for cryin out loud!!!

    Deep down...If Rafa is sent feelers to come back, he would not hesitate ...

    MY DEAR LIVERPUDLIANS...LETS SIGN A PETITION FOR NEW MANAGERS WISHES FROM FANS & SEE WHERE RAFA FIGURES IN IT TO COME BACK!!!

    WHAT SAY?BTW anybody got Rafa's private email so we can get a head start???

    YNWA

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  124. This is arguing over the definition of sacking. Bottom line was he was pushed and/or guided into leaving the club. This could only have been initiated from someone at the club above him i.e. Purslow, Broughton, Hicks, Gillet or Ayre. Given that Hicks and Gillet were already keen to get out not sure it would have been them, they had bigger things on their plate. Broughton had a specific role relating to the sale and probably not concerned with day-to-day operations most likely prefering to leave this up to Purslow. Ayre has no responsibility relating to on-field matters. The most likely candidate would be Purslow. A mutual agreement to leave the club was probably proposed to the board by Purslow, they then agreed. Ultimately Purslow paved the way to remove Benitez. Benitez did say he would continue to do the job if allowed but without the backing of Purslow and the Board there was no point.

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  125. Rafa bought some very good players but also bought some rubbish.He forced out our most attack minded midfielder in a quest for Gareth Barry when if he had saved transfer funds he could have had Barry and Alonso.We bought no decent partner for Torres jet let Crouch and Keane go.Latterly we became very defensively minded example Athens when bravery might have won us another champions League.

    Now we have another similar manager.Defensive,cautious,playing players out of position and an increasingly isolated Torres.We need to not worry about losing or concedeing play higher up the pitch and tell our players who individually not that bad to trust their skill and ability.Only when that kind of mentality is returned to the club can we move forward and new owners can't achieve it ,it has to come from the manager and the players

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  126. Sorry but why did you delete my comment? It was fair, you just didn't like it. I never called you anything rude, I didn't realise 'arrogance' was such an offensive term, or the word ego. What a shame, as I said, I liked your articles but you clearly can't accept constructive criticism of your style.

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  127. Corporate board room politics, if I ever saw one. Its as clear as that, nothing else. There could have been some arm twisting behind the scenes from those ousted Americans in the first place.

    Thus, both Purslow and Benitez was not given much breathing space for further negotiations. We all suspected, in one way or another, that the situation after Benitez leave will be downwards. Its impossible to imagine otherwise. However, the extent of the downward spiral is shocking nevertheless. If Benitez is still around, I do not think the situation would be this serious. At worst, probably our position could still be somewhere in the middle of the table, not all the way down!

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  128. Cole did put in one good ball, Torres flicked a header at goal from it

    I'm a little harsh on Hodgson above i guess, i hop he can get the team going asap

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  129. Thread under posts are for debating the issues raised in the post (or aything else related to LFC); if you have a problem with me then email me.  You can then give me all the constructive criticism you like.  I don't want a situation where people have to wade through pointless comments just to get to the debate.  moaning about my style etc has nothing do with transfer fee myths.  The comment policy is clear on this issue.

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  130. So it makes you right if rafa didn't want to leave, was to all effects sacked, as long as it wasn't by purslow?

    maybe it'd be better for all concerned and LFC if you carried on with your offline activities more and left the bullshit to the real journos!

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  131. I pop onto here every now and again, just when im bored, because no matter what time, what day or what week it is the same thing Jamie "Rafa was Crap" "Rafa wasted loads"  "Rafa got it wrong" and now its "Rafa wasnt sacked" to be honest its just a lets have a dig at Rafa site. {Ban expected}

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  132. Rafa claims that he prepaired for the next season, but also claims that he was on holiday. Could it be that whilst on holiday he thought about whether he'll find another injured player to pay close to 20m for?

    Has it ever struck any of you that "being on holiday" and "preparing for next season" don't go together well?

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  133. I think it's self evident in the statement
    "I realised that <span>I had to</span> accept the offer they made"it suggests a degree of unwillingness but dealing with a situation which had become untenable.

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  134. Benitez was in my opinion one of the the worst Liverpool manager since I started supporting Liverpool in 1952. I didn't want him in the first place, we could have had O'Neil who had just left Celtic.
    He nearly lost us the European Cup in 2005 with his starting line up, leaving out DH so that Kaka could run riot and anyway, it was Houlier's team.
    We just scraped home in the cup final against a poor West Ham thanks again to Gerard's individual efforts.
    We got second the year before last (despite some terrible home draws against daft teams) because the rest of the teams at the top weren't up to their best.
    Last season showed him up for what he was, a negative tinkerer, poor tactically, loathe to introduce subs and a divisive influence on the club. Played the fans against the board.
    He left Hodgson with a whole heap of rubbish to contend with and although I don't think he's the man for the job, I think he was incredibly brave taking over Benitez's dross.
    If still here now, we'd be in a similar poor position in the table. If not 19th then certainly in the bottom half of the league.
    If he left by mutual consent then he was lucky, I'd have fired him years aqo.
    I also think the current manager is out of his depth and should go before the situation gets any worse. If you dig too deep a hole it is eventually impossible to get out of. I think the prsent owners will maybe give him one or two more games and then he'll get his marching orders if things don't improve.

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  135. You know what, go to the official site and look at the comments left on Roy's appointment. People were not backing him from the off. I never thought that this was the Liverpool way, but hey, what do I know. At least everybody know right then that Roy couldn't win unless he sat on top of the league after 10 games. Supporters claim to be the twelveth man, so at least it is fair to say that whether they support the manager or not has some influence. Otherwise we could all stay at home.

    Now, please go on and give this post negative ratings based on that you don't like or understand it. Thanks.

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  136. Being backed into a corner is effectively the same as being sacked. You're just spiltting hairs. What is clear is that by making the offer, the board no longer wanted Benitez. Therefore he was sacked. The thing that winds me up the most is that he gets paid off and then walks into another job. Benitez came out of it very well and we lose a manger, pay him off a couple of million (no I haven't got time to find the evidence, but I'm sure you have) and end up with a far inferior manger in his stead. Inter should have been paying us compensation...

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  137. Have you seen us last season? This season is the sequel of last season. Your ignorance astounds me, too.
    Well, Houllier left a team behind that was qualified for the CL and, with very few changes, won it. Rafa left behind a team that finished seventh and qualified for the Europa League because Portsmouth failed to apply for a spot and/or got bust. Our team was in decline under Rafa and he too lacked a plan B, but people still hold him in high esteem based on one night in Istanbul. I don't tend to ignore that it is also some kind of feat to be three goals down at half-time in such a match. Someone has probably got his line-up completely wrong. Well, I don't want to take anything away from Rafa. We've had some great performances in Europe under his tenure, but weren't the same people who defend him now claiming that he was prioritizing Europe ahead of our domestic league in order to keep up his own stock value? Well, all in all I am not convinced whether your blinkered view allows to call others ignorant.

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  138. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually agree with Jamie.k

    It would be unfair to lay the blame <span>completely </span>on Purslow for Rafas departure. 

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. I will always be grateful for that. 

    He has made poor football decisions, whilst at the same time I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director with the best in western european football knowhow to aid with football decisions. Maybe someone to say, "No hodgson, Aqulani IS class, and even though hes excels in possession football, which is not the type of football ur tactic allow us to play, lets keep him - hes 26, highly rated, - a juve reject Poulsen is 30, 5 mil, and a waste."

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5%.  

    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure. 
    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard and Carra were silent.  Reira and Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway.

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he want Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in the middle.

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem MAYBE by selling Gerrard and few others, in 08/09 i prob would say no way. But hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its very similar to what Fergie did RVN/Beckham, or Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do. 

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. 

    Berlusconi once said to Milan players, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".
    For us, i felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 .......but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.

    He was moving us in his, saachi inspired version total football. the interest versetile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked about how we were progressing in terms how close we were getting that awesome Valencia side of his.

    Or at least, if you get rid of Rafa, then at [...]

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  139. Erm, how could you give this a negative vote? Jaimie claims in several articles that he wanted Martin O'Neill as our new manager. What's wrong with that? Could it be that some people out there are so convinced that the world actually is black and white only that they can's see the many shades of grey in between?

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  140. I am still pro-Rafa, but I don't blame Purslow. Purslow is an employee, who has a task. Ultimately he can't make or break promises to p*** off the manager. It all falls back on Dumb and Dumber as far as I'm conserned. If Purslow could warrant Rafa a transfer fee, I'm sure he would, Hicks and Gillett however didn't keep their promises to LFC and this is another example. And just to make everything clear, I aggre Rafa acted like a spoiled child, and that is why we finished 7th instead of top 4 last season. However the reason he did falls back on broken promises.

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  141. As for pass & move, well, our players seem unable to pass a ball or to move their overpaid arses. And it has been like this last season already. Yes, Hodgson so far failed at changing that, but ultimately it wasn't him who assembled that bunch.

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  142. Yeah, isn't that a nice variety compared to most other fan-sites? There they all go "We want Rafa back", "Purslow is against the club", "Broughton can be no good because he supports Chelsea", "Rafa could do no wrong", "It's all the owners fault" and so on.

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  143. Wow, I like you post. You started supporting Liverpool the year my mom was born. But nevertheless, soon they will come out and tell you that you know nothing and Rafa was the best thing since sliced bread, it was all down to the owners and so on. I for one will respect what one seasoned fellow Red tells me, for a change.

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  144. You lost all credibility as soon as you mentioned O'Neil

    Tell me what O'Neil has ACTUALY WON?

    And Rafa so so bad, that the current CL holders could not snatch him up quick enough hey.

    Let me think, how many teams like Real Madrid, Juve, or Inter have been beating a path to O'Neil's door? he must be really busy on his phone at the minute turning them all down.

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  145. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually agree with Jamie.k

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure. 

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that. 

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. He should have appointed a football director.
    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.

    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure. 
    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.
    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to Milan players, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".
    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked about how we were progressing in terms how close we were getting that awesome Valencia side of his.


    Or at least, if you get rid of Rafa, then at least get a modern manager. At least someone who doesn't use small team tactics. 
    Roy for Rafa has taken us backwards, I wrote another detailed comment on this site explaining why. 
    But my main point is, we need to have a modern/progressive vision, and move in that way.

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  146. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually agree with Jamie.k

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure. 

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that. 

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. He should have appointed a football director.
    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.

    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure. 
    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.
    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to Milan players, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".
    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked about how we were progressing in terms how close we were getting that awesome Valencia side of his.


    Or at least, if you get rid of Rafa, then at least get a modern manager. At least someone who doesn't use small team tactics. 
    Roy for Rafa has taken us backwards, I wrote another detailed comment on this site explaining why. 
    But my main point is, we need to have a modern/progressive vision, and move in that way.

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  147. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure. 
    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to opinions of those wanted him gone.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that. 

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.
    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there. 
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure. 
    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.
    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to Milan players, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".
    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked about how we were progressing in terms how close we were getting that awesome Valencia side of his.


    Or at least, if you get rid of Rafa, then at least [...]

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  148. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.   
    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.   

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"  

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.  
    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.   
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.   
    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."  

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway  

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.  
    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.    

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to Milan players, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  
    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked about [...]

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  149. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is kind of football your tactic don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money" 

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.  

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.   
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.   

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."  

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway 

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.  

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is proof of that. I wanted us to follow in that vision, and Rafa should of got the backing required. Rafa always talked [...]

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  150. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.  

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is kind of football your tactic don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like [...]

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  151. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.  

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like [...]

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  152. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.  

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football that your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 I prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, [...]

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  153. <span>Debunking Liverpool FC myths: No 7 – C</span><span>hristian Purslow sacked Rafa Benit</span><span>ez</span>

    THAT IS NOT THE MYTH. THE MYTH IS IN FACT:

    <span>Christian Purslow played a big part in making Rafa Benitez's position untenable by telling RB the board wanted him to leave and offering him a severance payment</span>

    It's called constructive dismissal. Explanation is here for you:
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/Dismissal/DG_10026696

    This whole article is pointlessly debating the use of the word 'sacked', which completely misses the point of the 'myth'.

    Please stop wasting our time with this drivel

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  154. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.  

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is kind of football your tactic don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should of been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs.

    I have my own take, and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest versatile players, like Jovetic is [...]

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  155. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.  

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football  that your tactic don't allow for, but hes highly rated, and 26, so keep him. Whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think should of been the executioner, its not exactly the way you run clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. In 08/09 i prob would say no way...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor too, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso also.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. the interest [...]

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  156. This is all nonsense. You're just talking semantics. He didn't want to leave, but was made to. Whether he was sacked is irrelevant. He was made to leave against his wishes. So for Purslow to say it was the clearest case of mutual consent is wrong. If Rafa wanted to go, and the board wanted him to go, thats mutual consent. But Rafa said he didn't want ot go and was planning for next year. Therefore to say it is the clearest case of mutual consent ever is wrong. Which makes one of them a liar

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  157. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football that your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, 26, so keep him - whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie, its true. Though I dont think he should of been the executioner based on what happened, its not exactly the way you run clubs.

    I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    IMO, I would of backed Rafa to stay, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. After 08/09 finished i would say No,...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor to, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso too.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time.  Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not been fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his philosophy.  

    He was moving us in his, Saachi inspired version total football. [...]

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  158. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football that your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, 26, so keep him - whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.    

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think he should of been the executioner based on what happened, its not exactly the way you run successful clubs.

    I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway   

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    I wanted Rafa to stay, totally backed Rafa to continue in his vision, and solve the problems. by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. After 08/09 finished, i would say No,...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor too, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso also.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time. And used the money on the next younger stars. Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make is - as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision - may have not been fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we [...]

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  159. it's you who loses all credibility by suggesting that what a manager has won in the past dicates how well they will perform in the future.

    First, O'Neill has won plenty.  For a breakdown of why he is a good manager: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/lfc-need-motivator-and-martino-neill-is.html

    And tell me this: what had the following managers ever won before taking the reigns?

    Alex Ferguson (Like O'neill, lots of trophies in scotland, but apparently they don't count)

    Arsene Wenger (Was in the might Japanese league pre-Arsenal)

    Didier Deschamps
    Pep Guardiola
    Bob Paisley
    Bill Shankly
    Kenny Dalglish
    Joe Fagan
    Laurent Blanc

    etc etc

    Your mantra of 'what hve they actually WON' would preclude them from having any chance of success'.

    If you're going argue that O'Neill isn't up to it then please come up with some valid reasons.

    And re O'Neill: He WILL be Liverpool's manager at some stage, and when he is you will see the amazing difference he will make.

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  160. Im a Rafa fan.  And for once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  
    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.   But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director. Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.   Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football that your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, 26, so keep him - whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.  Roy shouldnt be here.
    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.     However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.      " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."     Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think he should of been the executioner based on what happened, its not exactly the way you run successful clubs.
    I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM   I wanted Rafa to stay, totally backed Rafa to continue in his vision, and solve the problems. by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. After 08/09 finished, i would say No,...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor too, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso also.     Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time. And used the money on the next younger stars. Its what big clubs do.   And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.   So the main point Im trying to make is - as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".   For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision - may have not been fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont [...]

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  161. Alonso had 2 terrible seasons prior to his last, Rafa was right to court alternatives. Alonso in his last year was advertising himself to his next employer and should've put the shifts he put in his last season in his previous 2 years.

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  162. Im a Rafa fan.  For once, I actually somewhat agree with Jamie.k  

    It would be unfair to lay the blame completely on Purslow for Rafas departure.  

    But he does deserve some criticism for pandering to player power/opinions of those who wanted Rafa gone. And deserves criticism for not installing a proper football director.

    Purslow has been good in doing the job he was mainly brought here to do, briefly run Liverpool as a company, and find new owners. He along with MB was brilliant in ousting/outsmarting Hicks. Ill always be grateful for that.  

    Hes made poor football decisions, whilst I understand he wasn't brought in for his football expertise, thats not what he excels in, hes got an MBA not Coaching certificates. We need a football director, who has the football knowhow to make the right decisions. Purslow should have appointed a football director, with best western European knowhow to say. "no Hodgson, Aquilani IS class, he excels in possession football, which is the kind of football that your tactics don't allow for, but hes highly rated, 26, so keep him, whereas Poulsen, a Juve reject is 30, and 5 mil, and a waste of money"   

    Regardless of your football knowledge, It was a poor decision to appoint a manager with a poor win percentage in the Premier League so far (all clubs) 25.5% - thats Roys record.   Roy shouldn't be here.

    So Purslow deserves some valid criticism there.  
    However back to the point of this article - Rafas departure.     

    " he was the executioner; he was not the judge and jury."    

    Yeah, thats to the extent to which I agree with Jamie. I dont think he should of been the executioner based on what happened, its not exactly the way you run successful clubs. I have my own take,  and if you look at the senior players, I feel Carra and Gerrard esp wanted him gone. I remember Torres, Reina, Masch coming out in defense of the manager, Gerrard + Carra were silent.  Reira + Yossi wanted Rafa out too, but doesnt matter, they were going out anyway

    Carra admitted in a recent interview that "Rafas time was up" and you could just tell from Gerrard silence, and body language on the pitch, he wanted Rafa gone. He also admitted that wanted to play in CM  

    I wanted Rafa to stay, backed to continue on with implementing his vision, and solve the problem by MAYBE selling Gerrard and few others. After 08/09 finished i would say No,...but hes 30, was V poor last season, attitude was poor too, has to be said. Too much sulking over Alonso also.    

    Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry. Sold at the right time before the value of the players became too low, and performances of those players declined over time. And reinvested younger players/stars. Its what big clubs do.  

    And theres this idea in England, "that just because uve played the game as a pro, you just know what right." That type of thinking is silly.  Gerrard / Carra co may think they know whats right  for the club, but they dont really. Its no surprise that some of the best Managers didnt really have serious pro careers as players.  

    So the main point Im trying to make, as football club, we need to move in ONE vision. Berlusconi once said to the Milan players once, "If I had to choose between you or Saachi. I choose Saachi".  

    For us, I felt Rafa provided that progressive and modern vision, may have not been fully implement properly in 09/10(injuries/no sqaud investment) like it did in 08/09 but we dont give up on it, the vision, his [...]

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  163. I'd have concerns over O'Neill based on the fact that he seemingly couldn't handle the pressure of competing for a European place with Aston Villa. There were also stories of the players being unhappy with his methods and happy to see him go which would throw doubt on his motivational skills as well.

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  164. equals relegation!!!!

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  165. What does it matter now whether Rafa was sacked or if it was "mutual"? We are not prevy to the boardroom discussions.

    The official line from LFC is quite clear - Rafa left by mutual consent. Why can we not accept that and move on?

    But the people who criticised Rafa (including yourself Jaimie) - Has LFC improved as a club as a result of Rafa's departure? you dont know what you have until its gone...under Rafa we twice achieved enough points that would have won us the league in many a season.

    Secondly, why havent any of the jounalists, pundits and former players criticised the MAN MARKING system or the 442 formation that we now employ? The only thing Roy does better than Rafa is handle the media!

    The safe option of appointing an experience English manager doesnt seem so safe now...

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  166. If the above makes me a member of the Rafa cult then thats better than still holding onto the belief that Rafa was not the best manager we have had in over 2 decades...

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  167. You're right, Meirles - I have criticised Benitez, and often (!).  however, when looking at whether LFC has improved as a club since he left, you do not look at only 3-4 months, do you? That's not fair - you have to take the long view.  Nothing can be gleaned from just knee-jerking in the short term.

    As a comparison: LFC finished 7th last season after a horrendouns year.  Would it be fair define Benitez's entire reign based on just last season?

    No.

    His whole reign has to be considered.  if people judged Benitez just on last season you'd think that was unfair, right?

    Same goes for Liverpool under Hodgson.  3 months is not enough to condemn the man.  He came into the club at the most difficult time for any manager in LFC history (bar Shankly, who arrived when LFC were in the second division). Boardroom turmoil; demoticated players; basically, everything on the downturn.

    Rightly or wrongly, the impact of all that is being seen in LFC's current performance on the pitch.  it's crap; embarrasing even (at times); however, the last 3 months are not a true reflection of the club and its potential.

    This is why I am not panicking.  I don't see the point.  Taking the long view is always preferable.

    And if things continue to get worse, and by Christmas things are looking bleak, then it will be time for a change, and I will have no problem with RH being replaced.

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  168. Jaimie, rather than cling to the "facts" like the man you seem perpetually intent on deriding, maybe you should try reading between the lines.

    No, Benitez wasn't technically sacked, and as you point out this is proved by the fact that he did not receive a full pay out. However, if your employer sits you down and urges you to consider resignation whilst making it plain that he will not support you if you continue, then you really have little choice but to accept. Benitez was left in an untenable position, as news of the compensation offer emerged in the press before it had been accepted. Had Benitez rejected it he would have been open to accusations of greed. Perhaps, given the financial situation of the club, we should consider it a mercy that he accepted the mutual termination rather than hold out for his entitled compensation package. If only the people running the club had been so generous...

    Purslow is keen to stress the mutuality of the split in order to avoid unnecessary controversy. Nor would Benitez, someone who always seemed to respect the fans and the club, want to get involved in an unnecessary public spat with Liverpool. For all we know, he may even have had a clause in his compensation package preventing him from revealing details to the press. 

    Unfortunately this is all irrelevant now anyway, although I for one would suspect that had he received the full support of the board then Benitez would still be managing Liverpool Football Club.

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  169. rubbish jamie, the fact that the Liverpool Official website put a timeline on Rafas career and paid more attention to Rafas Rant than Champions League teiumphs says it all. The official site is as trustworthy as your articles

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  170. <p>Jaimie, rather than cling to the "facts" like the man you seem perpetually intent on deriding, maybe you should try reading between the lines.
    </p><p> 
    </p><p>No, Benitez wasn't technically sacked, and as you point out this is proved by the fact that he did not receive a full pay out. However, if your employer sits you down and urges you to consider resignation whilst making it plain that he will not support you if you continue, then you really have little choice but to accept. Benitez was left in an untenable position, as news of the compensation offer emerged in the press before it had been accepted. Had Benitez rejected it he would have been open to accusations of greed. Perhaps, given the financial situation of the club, we should consider it a mercy that he accepted the mutual termination rather than hold out for his entitled compensation package. If only the people running the club had been so generous...
    </p><p> 
    </p><p>Purslow is keen to stress the mutuality of the split in order to avoid unnecessary controversy. Nor would Benitez, someone who always seemed to respect the fans and the club, want to get involved in an unnecessary public spat with Liverpool. For all we know, he may even have had a clause in his compensation package preventing him from revealing details to the press. 
    </p><p> 
    </p><p>Unfortunately this is all irrelevant now anyway, although I for one would suspect that had he received the full support of the board then Benitez would still be managing Liverpool Football Club.
    </p>

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  171. "Rafa could used that $30million from Gerrards sale to buy younger players like Jovetic - that Rafa was after. Its V similar to what Fergie did with RVN/Beckham, or what Wenger did with Henry."
    Not quite accurate - teams were willing to pay between £25-30m the year before for Henry - Arsenal only received £16m - but I agree with the comment...
    Secondly, the incident between Carragher & Arbeloa highlighted an issue with Carra - his passion meant an excellent versatile defender (kept Messi quiet on his debut!) wanted to leave.
    Carra & Gerrard have too much power...
    Gerrard is not exceptional as a central midfielder (dont believe the media hype) - he doesnt have the tactical know how to control the game in the way Alonso, Xavi or even (hate to say it but credit should be given where its due..) Scholes...
    On the other some of our best football was with Aquilani in the midfield - our passing had an evenhigher tempo than with Alonso dictating play

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  172. The Official site also published a picture to the infamous Rafa Rant, which it was not!!! on the day he was sacked. More attention to that than the European triumphs leads me to think that the official site is as reliable as your articles

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  173. I believe rafa was forced out plain and simple. He lost the confidence of the board and no doubt some players were fed up with him as their manager. 

    More than likely he was not going to get any backing so he thought it would be best to leave by mutual consent while still picking up a nice big pay off. Either way rafa won as i dont believe he would have done any better than Roy in current situation. Rafa would have lost Mesh anyway, bought junk as he has done many times in the past. Rafa, Roy are no experts in the transfer markets, not many managers out there pick out a youngster and mould them into a world class player. LFC are short on 6 world class players to make them even competitve for champs league let alone win the title. To many fans have been dreaming for so long. WAKE UP 

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  174. People have short memories in football.  In Rafa we had a proven world class manager and it was always a bad idea to force him out of the door (he wasnt sacked, but he was definatley pushed) and now we are paying the consequnces for that on the pitch. 

    People still have the neck to pin our current plight on Rafa, for example Roy has inheritted Rafas squad, but that is absolute nonsense.  The fact of the matter is Hodgson has signed 7 of his own players.  Have things got better?  Thae Answer is NO they havent.   I understand that Roy had a dificult challenge, but some of his decisions have not helped the situation e.g. Still no back up stiker?  Let Aqualiani go out on loan? Poulsen???? 

    And before anybody tells me that RH is a proven world class manager, no he's not.  Since when has getting Fulham to a Europa cup final been the credentials needed to manage Liverpool FC?  RH has won nothing EVER in the big leagues.  (The Finnish Championship does not count). 

    Sure you could argue that as he had no money how could he buy another stiker?  Well I would argue, why waste 4 million on Poulsen, Why let Mascherano leave for a loss when hes worth £30M, and why didnt he go for David Trezequet for Free?

    I take no pleasure in not backing the current manager, but its obvious that it is not going to work, and the sooner he is sacked the better.  Its not just the results, its the performances that worry me the most.  We simply are not creating enough clear cut goal scoring chances.  The league table says it all...  It was a massive mistake to let Benitez go

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  175. O Neill is a good manager but his teams tends to play the long ball... also agree with Yewo as O'Neill's Villa could not handle playing in the EPL and Europe at the same time

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  176. I feel that what you say is continually anti rafa. I am not saying what you say is wrong, but, do you feel woy is better than rafa? Did you ever like rafa or anything he achieved? alot of your posts are against rafa and often even pro hicks/gillette surely you can understand people questioning your opinion.

    As macphee states the term mutual consent is the polite way of saying sacked. Its the same as vote of confidence. Things aren't always as clear cut as you make out. Rafa has said recently that he had unfinished business at liverpool.

    Do you think that  is the sound of a manager or left with mutual consent?

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  177. What had Rafa Benítez won before Valencia gambled on him? He got relegated a few times and promoted again, or the other way round. Based on the views of what seems to be the majority of fellow Liverpool supporters, he should have never been given the job at Valencia unless they wanted to get relegated.

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  178. I think we all agree:

    RAFA WAS FORCED OUT OF LIVERPOOL!! (not sacked by LFC nor Purslow)

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  179. Of course you didn't criticise him between 2004-06. We were successful. An FA Cup, CL win, CC cup final. It would have been unbelievably petty, even for you, to criticise Rafa during those years. 

    How long does Hodgson get though before he can be criticised? Six months, a year, three years like Rafa? Or given our circumstances, i.e. 19th in the league, one win all season in the League, losses to Blackpool, Northampton, Everton, has time already run out. Can we afford him the luxury of time? I don't think we can because I have seen nothing so far this season that shows that Roy is even close to getting it right.

    I've said it before on this site, that had Roy had a mediocre start, ie. we were sat in 8/9/10th place after 8 games,  I think the majority of fans would have taken that, as it is supposedly a "transitional" season. Sitting in 19th though with a negative goal difference is Hodgson's fault and I think he needs to be criticised now. Our next 3 games are vs. Blackburn, Bolton and Chelsea. None of those are easy games especially with our current form, so it is entirely possible that after 11 games we could still be sat in the relegation zone. Should we start worrying then or do we continue to give the Hodgson a chance?

    People will say that he needs to be given time to put his own mark on the team. I agree that does take some time. But the fundamentals, i.e how to defend, positioning, tactics should already be in place. As you have said umpteen times before JK, football management is not rocket science. Hodgson has 35 years of expereince as a top flight manager, he has had time over the summer and has now had 15 competetive games to try to get it right. I'm not expecting wonder football, but I do expect the basics to be done correctly. But we have been absolutley woeful this season.

    I hope the anti-Rafa brigade are happy. While he sits second on goal difference with Inter Milan we sit second from bottom on goal difference. And before you say that this is Rafa's team, it was never ever this bad under Rafa. As bad as we were last season at least we got the basics right. Our team looks lost under Roy and Roy looks lost on the touchline.

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  180. The mutual consent aspect is not relevant to the question of whether Benitez was, as a matter of fact, sacked.  He was not.

    It is pure supposition to factually state that Benitez was forced out; or that he had no choice but to leave.  That is *his* version of events.  i's is also equally possible that he wanted to leave, and welcome the chance to do so.

    Just because Benitez says he 'had' to take the offer doesn't make it so.  It all depends on the relative weight you attach to comments; I put more weight in what comes out of the club officially.

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  181. no, you are very far from a member of the Pro-Benitez Cult.  There is nothing wrong with supporting Benitez - there are many reasonable-minded fans who have 100% support for the man, but are also able to acknowledge his weaknessess.

    Members of the PBC are adamant that he is some kind of godlike figure; he can do no wrong; it was everyone else's fault, and never his; he never made any mistakes; he was the second coming for LFC; everyone else was conspiring against him etc.

    The PBC will never accept that Benitez has weakeness - like with the man himself, it will always be someone else's fault.

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  182. You continue to go on about MON. I have many friends who are Villa season ticket holders and even they didn't like him that much. For three years they say saw poor football, poor team/squad management, and absolutley no plan B. He wasn't able to heep his best players; Barry and Milner. And when it all became a bit too much he walked away a week before the season was about to start. Is that really the sort of manager we want at Liverpool? Unfortunately I can see your prediction coming true as Hodgson won't last the season and MON is available but it will be a sad day when it does happen.

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  183. You can't compare the two as Benitez was still in the early years of his career then while MON has been in management for about 20 years now and is not a young, up and coming manager as Benitez was at the time.

    People remain unconvinced after him working in the game for 20 years- that says a lot to me.

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  184. I don't think we can wait that long Jaimie. Surely if we don't at *least* take 4 points from blackburn and bolton, then it's time for a change. If we could at least see what Roy is trying to achieve, if there was some signs of progress then I would definately support him but I just can't see anything to support your assertion that he will turn it around.

    And by the way who the f*** does Jamie Carragher think he is giving Torres shit in the first few minutes of the Everton game? Anyone would think he is completely blameless for our defensive crapness!! I'm glad Torres told him where to stick it, like Arbeloa before him.

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  185. I'm afraid that is where you are wrong JK. 3 months is enough to condemn a man if they are sat in 19th with only one win, against West Brom, all season. It is enough to condemn a man if the team is regressing. It is enough to condemn a man when even the basics are bad. How much more time do you give him? 3 more months hovering around relegation or do you cut your losses now and get someone else in?

    I was a supporter of Rafa but I saw his weaknesses and some of the decisions he made were crazy so but he is still a better manager than Hodgson. Compare our situation now to 12 months ago and we were a better team. No matter how much you and the rest of the anti-Rafa brigade dislike him you have to admit that we were in a better position with a very similar squad of players last season than this. In our first 8 games last season we scored 22 goals and won 5 out of 8. Not great but still better than 1 out of 8 with 7 goals scored and a negative goal difference. 

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  186. I was involved in sacking someone recently and suggested to Personnel that I tell him the situation so he could quit instead to make his cv look better.  Personnel told me that I couldn't do this as he could claim constructive dismisal.  I don't think Purslow would have made any type of threat at all to indicate that Rafa would have a hard time if he didn't accept the termination offer for this reason (i.e. Rafa could claim constructive dismissal and sue). However, Rafa would have understood his position was now untenable, so he decided to leave with dignity even though he would have preferred to stay at liverpool. 

    Jamie is correct that he wasn't sacked and as he agreed to leave it was technically by mutual agreement.  However, it is also clear that  Rafa wanted to stay and that someone (most probably Hicks) wanted to get rid off him so it was mutual in spirit. 

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  187. Combined, the ex-owners, Rafa and the negative bloggers took this club to the brink and we are still battling to move on, we will and now we have new owners with sensible investment in all areas we will build for the future ... I don't see what point we find in debating this rubbish, so many bloggers (not sure if they are fans or just bloggers) suggest so much negative about LFC, Rafa for the last 3 seasons was becoming a thorn in his owm neck due to his inability to communicate with respect ... yes a man who loves LFC but yes, time was right for him to move on and I'm positive he knew this season might be worse then last. Change is a good thing, unless you are too scared to let go of the past and embrass the future ... I'm not clinging to the past, are you ?

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  188. Combined, the ex-owners, Rafa and the negative bloggers took this club to the brink and we are still battling to move on, we will and now we have new owners with sensible investment in all areas we will build for the future ... I don't see what point we find in debating this rubbish, so many bloggers (not sure if they are fans or just bloggers) suggest so much negative about LFC, Rafa for the last 3 seasons was becoming a thorn in his owm neck due to his inability to communicate with respect ... yes a man who loves LFC but yes, time was right for him to move on and I'm positive he knew this season might be worse then last. Change is a good thing, unless you are too scared to let go of the past and embrass the future ... I'm not clinging to the past, are you ?  
     
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  189. The Roy Hodgson Brigade6:20 pm, October 18, 2010

    Anteater

    You have one the best comment of the day!!! Brilliant!!! :-D

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  190. The Roy Hodgson Brigade6:23 pm, October 18, 2010

    :-D

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  191. He finished 7th, looks quite good compared to now, but that was after he had guaranteed finishing at least 4th and in the Champions League spots, it was after the season when Pool finished 2nd and pushed Man U for the title right til the end.  It was a far worse place to finish then what was expected and demanded, managers live and die by the results and Rafa simply failed to achieve what was expected for LFC.

    I still think Liverpool will turn it around, there's definately the quality in the squad to get out of this issue (only a couple of seasons ago spurs were in an even worse sopt than this and turned it around), its too early to panic and have some sort of knee jerk reaction.

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  192. Bullsh!t of the highest order, well done Jamie!
    Poorly researched and nowhere near the truth!

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  193. Well, you may be right, I don't know, but the problem, our problem, lies elsewhere. Many of our supporters want a world-class manager. How many are there? Mourinho, Hiddink, erm, well, there may be a few more, but there probably aren't heap-loads of world-class managers out there. How many of them are/were available last summer? And how many of them would have come to our club, which is not world-class anymore, under given circumstances?

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  194. I think he created his own down-fall.

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  195. Bullsh!t of the highest order, well done Jamie!
    The article is poorly researched and it would appear that you have swallowed every last drop of everything that is said in the rags.

    Ps think the scum fergie won the european cup winners cup with aberdeen, they played real madrid in final!

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  196. Frankly, I believe Rafa was pushed and didn't go voluntarily. He might have said he was made an offer to leave, but maybe it was the lesser of two evils. Obviously, Rafa had rocked the boat behind the scenes as there was, obviously, a lot of in-flghting and political games being played in the background during the last couple of years at LFC. I believe he has also signed a confidentiality agreement, but hopefully sometime in the not too distant future we will find out what really happened during the summer that led to Rafa leaving. Whatever happened one thing is certain - Hodgson is NOT steadying the ship, rather he is sinking it rapidly and if the new owners don't act fast then we will be in a relegation fight.

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  197. Um ok that doesn't at all sound like being sacked! Take the payoff or we'll make life ugly for you. Sometimes you don't have to provide cold hard evidence to figure things out. Purslow wanted Rafa out from the day he came to the club, and that's as obvious as night and day to me.
    To anteater: Did you rate Parry as any good? He had been sitting on his ass doing nothing the last however many years, same deal with Carlsberg for 17 years says it all. He cost Rafa many transfer targets, he was in charge of our rubbish youth setup etc. He brought in Hicks and Gillete... Need I say more.
    With regards to Purslow, imo it seemed the two just never liked eachother, it seemed like a circle of dislike for no particlar reason. Rafa never gave the impression he wasn't happy with the way Purslow went about his work, the only bad impression I remember is him being unhappy about losing access to transfer funds during the summer transfer window and January and most probably the summer of "mutual parting"...
    Rafa was a perfectionist. He was stubborn, maybe a little arrogant, he had his idea of how things should be done (which imo was generally correct) and he didn't shy away from trying to get things working properly. He fought the hierarchy mostly for the good of the club.
    My theory is Purslow didn't like Rafa, and especially didn't like the fact Rafa held so much power at the club. The main reason I believe the board wanted him out though is the bad press. The fact that the press looked for every single little reason to nail Rafa and the club means he had to go, as it was most probably damaging to the sale efforts because lets face it, most prospective buyers will have known very little about football and lfc, and reading all the crap written in the press wouldn't have exactly attracted them to the club and in particular Rafa. Remember the Syrian for example? When did he become a football expert to say Rafa destroyed the club??!! After Rafa was "sacked" Broughton basically revealed the reason in an email to Jim Boardman:
        From:
        Date: 10 June 2010 12:40
        Subject: Re: Thank you for killing my club
        To: Jim Boardman <  >

        Jim,

        I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion.

        I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.

        You may also recall that I am Chairman with the principle remit of finding a new and suitable owner for the club. I am nevertheless Chairman and I’m surprised you don’t seem to think that releasing the manager from his contract is a Board matter.

        Martin Broughton


    I was a great admirer of Rafa, part of the (very insulting btw) pro Rafa "cult" as you call us, but I know the biggest mistake he made was to get on the bad side of the media. If my theory is correct, it makes it all the more obvious as to why Hodgson "press darling" was the number 1 target, to "steady the ship" with the media. Whether he is actually good enough for footballing reasons is yet to be seen. Personally I feel that since mission is accomplished, club sold, we need sacrifice 3 mill for the sake of 20-30mill and get in a manager who will bring us 4th place!!!!

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