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12 Oct 2009
Rafa Benitez has spent over £220m at Liverpool. Time to put up or shut up.
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Same applies to your 'never wrong' attitude. The fact that I have not seen a comment on this from you on this article saying 'I was wrong there' says enough for me
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Aquilani and Johnson came from the sales of Alonso/Keane.
ReplyDeleteHe was given nothing this summer. Plus Rafa had to tie up contracts - Torres, Kuyt, Yossi etc.
How is that competing in the market?
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Martin O Neill - cant handle the pressure. Has already had a physical bust up with a player.
ReplyDeleteVilla are having a poor season and will never be in the Champions league.
I would say that he's a failure and could no way match Rafa tactically in Europe.
Cant believe u had Martin O neill on top of your list.
No of those managers would come to LFC as they would know of the financial disaster the club is in with the 2 Yanks in charge.
It is relevant.
ReplyDeleteYou are on about sacking Rafa because of his poor transfer record, while its also happening at Utd(Forlan, Bellion, Smith, Veron, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Anderson, Nani, numerous keepers etc etc)<span style=""><span style=""> and Chelsea</span><span style="color: #000000; "><span style=""><span style=" line-height: 19px;"> (Shevchenko, Veron, Mutu, Stanic, Cudicini, Bhoularouz, Duff, Del Horno etc)</span></span></span></span>
Yet both these clubs have a far larger annual transfer budget than Rafa.
So..........its not about the transfers good v bad. Its about how much Rafa has had to build a squad from scratch and how much he's had to spend on genuine quality each year.
Its fairer view if u show the net spending each year. This will show what Rafa was up against with the spending might of the Utd Chelsea.
Silage - Where did you get this 'sacking rafa' thing from. I have not suggested 'sacking Rafa because of his poor transfer record' that at all ANYWHERE. I do not think that and have never thought that.
ReplyDeleteDodging the point yet again! Its so frustrating. The main point of the article is his money spent, and u also suggest he should be replaced, so stop using technicality's, that is what u suggested. Again, u dismissed tomkins 'bcoz he deleted ur comment' who cares!? Its his views u shud comment on. Its hilarious, even people who agree with ur point notice this about u.
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Not dodging the point at all. I DID NOT suggest that he should be replaced
ReplyDelete1. Two days ago, the commentor 'truth' said the following:
I've often wondered if the regular Rafa critiques, like Jamie for example, can suggest a replacement who would improve us and would be attainable?
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As you can see: I was asked a direct question, to which I responded. i did not 'suggest' that Rafa be replaced.
But when tomkins was mentioned, his ideas and thoughts wernt discussed by u, just ur 'personal' judgement.
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You buy a car for 20k and sell it 3 years later for 10k. You still need a car so you buy another one for 20k. You decide you dont like the colour and take it back to the dealer, he gives you 18k back.
ReplyDeleteYou get the bus home to your wife (she's anti-Rafa) who screams abuse at you for blowing 40k of your life's savings. What do you say to her? Do you take the abuse or do you point out that you got 10k back on the first purchase, 18k on the second, and therefore only spent 12k of the rainy day kitty? You also tell her you've been driving her around in a nice car for the last 3 years!
3 cars: Josemi, Kromkamp, Arbeloa.
Gross spend does not work. Net spend has it's faults as well. The biggest one, which you failed to mention is that it doesn't factor in money made from a previous managers sale (GH). I'm still waiting for someone to produce a truly accurate measure to quantify and compare different managers spends. Gross spend isn't it though, as you've shown from your example above.
All monies spent buying players belongs to the club
ReplyDeleteAll monies recouped selling players belongs to the club
today this club has massive debt
part of that debt is because the manager has a poor record of buying suitable players. Go on about net spend all you want, but his net spend is still as poor as they come compared to any other club in the Prem, he's minus £100m+ which is ridiculous for anyone who is given the tag "decent"
be it £2m £20m or £40m a year, it's poor, really poor.
If you buy a house for 20K, 1 year later you do not like it and sell it for 15K, the nett loss is 5K. you need a house to stay, so this time you buy the neighbouring block,due to inflations, the new house cost you 40K. Does your nett loss still 5K, or 25K( 40-20+5)?.In the first place, if he buy the neighbouring block instead of the other, he need not have to lose the 25K.
ReplyDeletein footbal term, David villa price shoot up to 40 mio after sale of Kaka and Ronaldo, if he will to buy David Villa instead of Robbie Keane 2 years ago, he could have spend the 20Mio on some other players today.
David Villa might not the the correct purchase, that why the skill of dealing come in. Every club only can afford to make a few mistakes in buying of players, too many errors will cost the club dearly. best example will be middleborough.
I think everybody is missing the point here, aren't we talking about a football club? Shouldn't the whole point be about winning (like Chelsea and Man Utd) or at least entertaining (like Arsenal) or at best both (like Barcelona). Who cares about net spend, gross profit or total revenue. Why do you all care how much Gillet and Hicks are making of Liverpool? The most important question here is has Rafa improved the Liverpool team to the extent of becoming Premier League champions or the most attractive footballing side around? IMHO, he has improved the club greatly in the 5-6 years he has been here. But at the same time I don't think Liverpool will ever win a league title under Benitez because he is too much of a tactician, and too little a man-manager. Ferguson is a total nitwit in tactical knowledge compared to Benitez, but he ends up winning everytime because he can motivate his players to play out of their skins. When was the last time you saw Man Utd lose 3 games in a row? With each performance being worse than the previous? Here lies the problem with Benitez, he is unable to motivate the players and bring out the best in them. His tactics work well in cups and knock-outs but in a marathon league season his inability to motivate and get tired, weary players to give that 1 final push will always be his downfall. Last season was a great chance for Liverpool with the rest of the Big 4 in transition, but Rafa blew it. This season also could have been the year Liverpool finally win the league with Arsenal and Man Utd losing big names and Chelsea curbing their spending, but looks like Rafa has blown it again. It doesn't matter how many 20 million players Rafa has, when you think about it, why does a great tactician like Rafa need a squad that cost 120 million pounds to score 1 goal against Sunderland?
ReplyDeleteAnd Ferguson sold an £80m player and a £25 million striker and is till top of the league without buying anyone except Valencia and a player Rafa refused to sign - Michael Owen.
ReplyDeleteSo Ferguson isn't exactly spending too much this season either yet he's still ahead of Rafa in the league, as always.
And as usual the excuse of money is used when in fact Rafa just ain't up to the job of winning Liverpool the league.
The squad Rafa inherited included Didi Hamann, Danny Murphy, Steve Finnan, John Rise, Sami Hyppia and Milan Baros.
ReplyDeleteI would claim they are better players than Dossena, Degen, Lucas, Voronin and Ngog.
SSo in fact Rafa got rid of a lot of players who are better than many of thise he now has in the squad. Hence why we have a weak squad.
Has Rafa resigned......just heard it.................
ReplyDeleteWhether Rafa's spending has been gross or nett there is something which may be unpleasant but MUST be brought up.
ReplyDelete<span>It's a well known FACT in the world of football that a number of people make large amounts of money from transfer deals. Apart from the clubs themselves there are agents, players of course and YES, even managers. If people do not believe that they are simply being naive.
The more transfer deals that are done, the more money is made...some of it under the table. Just like the authorities I have no evidence of anything illegal because it's almost impossible to uncover BUT is it at least a little suspicious that Benitez has had nearly 150 players coming and going during his 5 years at Anfield? </span>
<span>Even if everything was above board, which is highly unlikely in the real world, the money which ended up in the pockets of agents must be deducted from the amount generated from the sale of players. After all, those fees are over and above the amounts paid for the players bought. They do not add up to all that much you say? Do the sums!
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Persoanlly I think looking at this figure then I am happy with where Rafa has taken us in comparison with our rivals (which can be the only true measure). We are now regularly competing in the CL, have reached four cup finals and have steadily closed the gap in the league - football is not like it was just 10 years ago when a team can be turned into champions overnight.
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ReplyDelete<span>LET'S NAIL THE "NET SPEND MYTH" ONCE AND FOR ALL WITH A SIMPLE ANALOGY:
ReplyDeleteWhen you go and do your weekly shopping at Sainsburys, you use a pound to get a trolley (cart if you are American!).
When you finish your shopping you put your trolley back and it returns your pound.
Jaimie wants you to believe that over a year you have spent £52 on shopping trolley hire. That's right, £52 with nothing to show for it, you have had £52 to spend and produced nothing.
Sane people would admit that, even though I might have used a different pound coin each week to get my trolley, the fact that I have recouped my pound coin at the end of each shopping trip means I have spent NOTHING on shopping trolleys.
Hopefully people will now get why the gross spend argument is so ridiculous and disingenuous - it is no more logical than saying you spend a pound on a trolley each and every time you go shopping, adding up all those pounds and asking what you did with them
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rafa was not the man for the job. he took us from european champions to midtable misfits in 5 years..dont forget the team that won european cup, 9 of them were houlliers signings ,and 6 of the FA cup winners were houllliers. i dont agree with you on robbie keane being a failure. i dont think he was giving a decent chance, he scored 2 against WBA and was not ever on the bench for the next game. rafa broke the players spirit. look what he done to benayoun..kept on subbing him..when he was one of our best players. buit he kept playing the likes of lucas, babel,ngog.these's 3 would'nt get in our local school team. the look on Gerrard and Torres face's told it all when rafa took torres off when were figthing for 4th place..lets just see how long it will take him to drag INTER MILAN down. and how could he think barry was better than alonso. all rafa is good for is waiting on tables. RED77
ReplyDeleteyou are thick just as i expect of a Liverpool fan with the side he inherited and the money he has been given per season the answer is yes. Look how much Wenger, fergie, oneil spend then get back to me.
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ReplyDeleteits a mad world, I went into a business deal. I borowed a load of cash and bought a football club. it didnt work out and know i loose it all. Thats the gamble. Consider this, we all buy our house under the same conditions not knowing the performance of our investment and the bank can call it at any time, try missing a payment. Ask yourself this question? Why do RBS want their money back, they make a massive profit from the loan. Its because they want it to sell it. This does not make sense this does not make sense. The RBS lent them the money in the first place. So in real terms the banks, Broughton and Diamond willl be comming up smillimng no one else and Mr Henry is a mate of Bob Diamiond and he gets a cheap deal. he gets to buy the club at a fire sale. These yanks have every right to fight for a better price, i would if it was me. Dont forget their arguments are around sacking the sack of shit we had as a manger Rafa. If we where winning at football no one would give a shit, mr henrys team the red sox have won two titles in 10 years big wow. Rafa is to blame the yanks gave him some money.
Consider this, players that we could have instead of teh shit we do have, valencia, Hagerland, parker, crouch, bellamey, Anelka, Kevin Davies, pennent, better than teh shit we have.
Yanks go home - then who will cast the first stone as they are all without sin!
Rafa, Evans, Souness, Houliier, Moors, the yanks,
No offence pip but nani, anderson, owen hargreves all have the EPL title n CL titles already. infact berba from 2yrs ago aleady has an epl medal n reached a CL final. Pls can u beat that knowing anderson n nani are still improving, owen is always n asset. while u can see from the last meet with liverpool how improved berba is getting. Pls don even compare. Silly point
ReplyDeleteNo offence pip but nani, anderson, owen hargreves all have the EPL title n CL titles already. infact berba from 2yrs ago aleady has an epl medal n reached a CL final. Pls can u beat that knowing anderson n nani are still improving, owen is always n asset. while u can see from the last meet with liverpool how improved berba is getting. Pls don even compare. Silly point
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