21 Jul 2015

Done Deal: LFC coach confirms Liverpool have signed 'monster' £32.5m attacker. Announcement soon?

On Monday, Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers claimed that he knows 'nothing' about the club's reported £32.5m transfer for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke, but a slip of the tongue from one of LFC's youth coaches appears to confirm that the deal is already done.

When asked in an interview with Corby Town FC today about Liverpool's summer signings, U21 coach Michael Beale made the following Freudian slip:

"Players such as Roberto Firmino, Christian Benteke, Nathaniel Clyne, James Milner and Danny Ings bring fantastic talent and competition into the club."

Why would Beale reference Benteke as a Liverpool player if he doesn't have inside information about the transfer?

Paul Lambert has also confirmed the deal. Speaking to Sky Sports yesterday, the ex-Villa boss revealed that Benteke had 'phoned' him up and discussed the move to Liverpool. He explained:

"I had a good chat with him [Benteke]. He has got a move to a really big, big club. I think he is going to do great"

Lambert also dismissed the spurious myth that Benteke - described last month by Dietmar Hamann as a 'monster' striker - is a target man who can 'only score from cross balls':

"Benteke will score for Liverpool. He is very good with his feet. He will score all types of goals.

"If you look at the way he plays, especially his first year at Aston Villa, when he was a phenomenon. He is one of the best No 9s I have seen in a long time."


I've already debunked the 'target man who only scores headers' myth, but it's worth highlighting again:

Last Season

* Goals scored: 15 (Headed goals: 4 [26%])

* Non-headed goals: 11 [74%])


Villa Total:

* Goals scored: 49 (Headed goals: 13 [26%]

* Non-headed goals: 36 [74%]

An official announcement from Liverpool is surely imminent...

Author: Jaimie K



302 comments:

  1. With better service hopefully he does well and scores loads of goals for LFC

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  2. I've gone full circle with Benteke. Went from being absolutely repulsed by the mere mention of the deal to waiting for the announcement with bated breath.
    So with my luck I guess he'll pull a Remy and not sign last minute.

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  3. Great striker (I thought he was injury prone as well but after I saw his record I only saw one major injury) who is good with both feet. I was against the signing at first because of the price tag but I think only £16m was paid up front with the rest paid in instalments so that is a great deal.

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  4. * Goals scored: 15 (Headed goals: 4 [36%])

    * Non-headed goals: 11 [74%])

    nice to see a forward giving 110% :)

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  5. Haha just realised that blunder ;-)

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  6. I was not really that ecstatic about this signing but a player that statistically gives 110% gets my backing

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  7. We should be a much better team for this transfer, If Rodgers changes tactics to suit Big Ben and hopefully signs a renowned defensive midfielder, then we might be able to challenge last years top4. Welcome Big Ben and hope you hit the ground running with our team.

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  8. Frankie Fletcher2:52 pm, July 21, 2015

    Just stick Joe Gomez upfront. I don't want to overhype the kid but he is already a better player than Messi

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  9. Don't worry, no danger of overhyping here, in fact I'd say that he is on par with that Maradona guy.

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  10. only down to his overwhelming character which i believe makes him a fantastic acquisition

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  11. You spelt outstanding wrong.

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  12. With Coutinho & Firmino our strikers shoulfd have enough chances to convert into a good return of goals...won't be a place to hide if they do not. I reckon we will get a good return from Benteke but also if Sturridge can get fit he'll be looking to fill his boots. Throw in the rest of our creative players and we should be right attacking wise, lets hope our defence improves.

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  13. Off topic here but I heard that The Mercenary just scored three minutes into his debut :-[ - I hope he wasn't just hiding that finishing to force a move.

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  14. sorry i also forgot we was buying benteke must have caught a bit of the BR flue (much more riskier than bird flue can cause certain 20 year olds to think they are better/bigger than LFC)

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  15. He was already outstanding while at liverpool imagine the hype if he scored within 3 minutes for us.
    But on a real note yes he scored but it was off-side and would have been caught by a real linesman

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  16. Early signs are promising but need to see how he settles into the cut and thrust of the PL, still a young lad. We need to settle on a cb pairing, reckon he'll go with Sakho/Skrtel. llori ahead of Lovren in pecking order.

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  17. Don't need to be modest here. We all know he's the second coming of christ.

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  18. Im actually thrilled to have him. And wanted him for 2 years now. How he has all these detractors amazes me. LCF have been horrible on set plays of late. I am loving the fact that we have an aerial threat again. I cant wait to see him boss the box. Now defenders have him and skrtle to worry about on set plays. And frankly he isn't Andy C at all. The man can play too. He has intelligence. I just can not wait to get this year going. Here we come.

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  19. well a 32.5m signing in cb certainly suggest our defence will improve but hey are attack didnt last year and we payed 20m for lovern ;)

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  20. Agree overall, but I like most think the fee was too much...time will tell and is only 24. Another thing is his physicality and occupying the oppo centre backs will create little pockets of space for likes of Couts/Firm to cause havoc and also Sturridge in games with two up.

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  21. Now that Benteke is pretty much a formality (barring serious failure of the medical), the only attacking players we should even think about signing are Pedro or Reus, and even then, they are incredibly unlikely. We have a ton of attacking players that are very young, and anyone else would not justify taking game time imo. These two are just too good to pass up.


    Illarra would seal up the midfield, and I'd say that's a wrap! We could use someone to replace Johnson/Enrique as a backup LB/RB combo, but if Gomez keeps up performances, I don't think it's that much of a problem, especially with Flanno coming back and Mcguire earning himself a preseason and Smith still rated I hear.

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  22. Fee was a bit much, but we did get bargains on Milner and Clyne. Anyway, we could have done a lot worse, like spending 35M on Andy Carroll... oh wait...

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  23. Markovic scored after three minutes for us but there wasn't much hype. I didn't know the goal was offside but at least we know that Sterling's first goal shouldn't have even counted ;-)

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  24. If you watch the goal, it wasn't anything special. Defense botched an offside trap and Sterling just jogged a third of the pitch with no challenge. Easy side finish into the bottom corner.

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  25. The point is that he can score that yet he can miss an open goal from 2 yards against Newcastle...

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  26. llarramendi the only one I think we are really looking at now, just hope all these signings bed in quicker than last year. Worry is they don't and we are playing catch up by October, we have a tricky start to the season and need to hit the ground running.

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  27. dont really care if he blows away at city and becomes great as long as every time LFC turn up he returns to the pacey mo f*cker with no finish

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  28. Frankie Fletcher3:17 pm, July 21, 2015

    He is actually a combination of Jesus, Maradona and a T-Rex. He also has the chance to evolve like a Pokemon, but lets not get carried away just yet lads.

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  29. Frankie Fletcher3:20 pm, July 21, 2015

    It could mean that 10% of his goals were scored with his foot and head simultaneously?

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  30. I have a sneaking feeling I will be eating humble pie next season as I have and still hold doubts about Benteke but this is a transfer that Rodgers has to get right! Benteke has far more to his game than he is given credit for but like Darovar it is his injury record that troubles me. Hopefully this is a thing of the past and has been resovled as surely the physio's and club doc's should pick up on this as they did in regards to Remy (or did they? Chelsea felt he was ok to sign! But thats another story). On another note Balotelli has voiced his support for Sterling in a bizarre tweet and it has irked some fans, he never thinks before he speaks or thinks about his actions on a wider scale so nothings changed there. He probably knows he is on his way out now so doesn't care less, well again thats nothing new either as he only turns up on the pitch once in a blue moon and scores a free kick or something.


    Benteke and Balotelli aside, we still need a couple more signings on top of Benteke, Illaramendi seems a good option as he is a league above the majority of our midfielders and is an area we need that injection of quality. if we can add another versatile so called 'Winger' maybe the likes of Yarmolenko (looks like he's signing for Stoke though) would be a very viable option in my opinion whilst the deal is still undone. Then after that it gets that more difficult with the likes of Gotze, Pedro and Reus being mentioned. There is also the likes of Candreva, Mertens,Dzagoev, Draxler, Gradel and Yannick Carrasco who in theory do not sound bad options, then I personally feel we will be pretty good to go next season. Then we have Mario Gomez being touted as another backup striker and personally I think that could prove a master stroke, some say he is past it but that's nonsense he hasn't played much for Fiorentina due to a lengthy injury but he is a class act the world has forgotten about in my opinion.

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  31. I am old enough to remember us signing Jimmy Carter! Terrible got him from Millwall and unbelievably Arsenal signed him from us! We have had some bad deals over the years but so have most clubs.

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  32. Frankie Fletcher3:24 pm, July 21, 2015

    That would be a major overhaul of players to say the least! where is the money coming from for all these players? iv'e also done a few rough sums in my head and i calculate that it would take all those players around 13 million years to gel together.

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  33. Who cares? it was against a Australian team, not like it was Barcelona.

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  34. According to reports liverpool will pay 16mil upfront and the rest in ad dons.

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  35. Yep prob a chunk out of our Jan kitty then rest at end of season. Makes it a little less painful they releasing all the cash upfront. Hopefully he would of given us a good return by then.

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  36. how is 3 players that far of the mark smarta*se did you read it properly the players are examples or the ones being touted in the press? We have already signed Joe Gomez, Bogdan, Milner, Firmino, Clyne and it looks like Benteke! So a DM another Winger and if possible another Striker is not that wild of a theory mate! Balotelli, Borini and Lambert look like they are on there way out so another striker along with Benteke is a feasable logic, And in terms of the where the money is coming from it will be from the sales of surplus players and the remaining money from the Sterling sale as Benteke according to reports is not a straight up cash deal it is going to be in installments. Illaramendi is touted at around £14-16m, Yarmolenko would be around £16m and Gomez about £8m it is not that far fetched good sir so reel your neck in you cocky git!

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  37. His attitude problem was that he had one good season at Villa, after which he demanded a move, handed in a transfer request only to have to withdraw it when Tottenham refused to pay 23 mill for him.


    Even this summer, his agent was prank called and he confirmed that both he and Benteke would do anything they could to get a move this summer.


    As for PL proven, it's an almost completely meaningless term as most of our best signings in the PL era have had zero PL experience - going all the way back to Rob Jones and all the way up to Suarez, Sterling and Coutinho.


    The instalments point is also largely meaningless, most big transfers involve instalments - the fee is 32.5 mill, how we pay is largely irrelevant.


    It's important to note too, he hasn't scored 49 in 101 PL games.


    He hasn't played 101 PL games.


    He's scored 42 goals (or an average of 14 a season) in 88 (out of a possible 114) games.


    Worryingly, especially from the injury perspective, is that he has only scored 23 league goals in the last 2 seasons.



    Nearly half his league goals came in his first season, and last season he only scored twice in the league in 18 games.


    As for his international record, it's fairly mediocre, 7 goals in 24 games.


    The Belgian coach, was also less than impressed with Benteke's workrate in their last game.


    Benteke may well become a big big success, but there are huge question marks over him.

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  38. Frankie Fletcher3:40 pm, July 21, 2015

    Hahahahaha don't embarrass yourself lad, just take a deep breath, grab yourself a fresh tampon and relax. ok treacle? ;) Love you xxx

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  39. Illaramendi plus one more from your list, sounds good to me :)
    Think perhaps Benteke's injury woes have become overstated a little and that it was really just one big injury that hopefully our medical team are making sure is now 100% sorted.
    Funny what you say about Balo and Sterling because all I seem to remember of those two, was Sterling throwing little hissy fits all over the pitch whenever Balo was on it, like you say though, he's probably beyond caring now he wants out too ;-)

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  40. Am not embarrased kiddo far from it, why would I be? You set the tone trying to be smart! Get your facts right before you spout ya mouth with smug and sarcastic comments lad! It is an opinion shared by many matey not just me, because you don't agree it doesn't give you the rights to be a sarcastic git it's a forum where people voice opinions and you have a right to one just leave the sarcasim and cocky attitude at the door numbnuts

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  41. I agree mate! Maybe we tend to focus on that lengthy injury a bit to much but I think it harks back to the Andy Carrol saga and maybe it clouds our judgement a little mate. I hope he does the business for us I really do Case it looks like it's going to happen regardless though so as soon as he puts on that Liverpool shirt he is one of our own

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  42. 4th article on Benteke in the last 7, where's the NEWs Jaimie? The Metro have created a storm about Illaramendi today, will you be digging in to that to see if there's any weight to their article?

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  43. It is difficult not to draw parallels to be fair, not just to AC but to any big money signing and especially one of this importance, I guess ultimately only time will tell.
    I reckon we might be onto a winner though.

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  44. If we get Benteke, why do we need another striker?

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  45. "Is there any weight to the article from the Metro?".......I think the answer is staring you in the face

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  46. I wrote a post criticising The Star yesterday which was deleted so; no comment

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  47. It will be real interesting to see how we line up yoiu havevti assume clyn, hendo,milner,skirtal,Gino,firmino,and benteke will start not including the goalie that means there will be a lot of players fighting for 3 places when you consider that two of them spots are defensive the attacking a a playerson our books are really gonna have to impress pre season to be even considered for the bench

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  48. It is not a case of need it is more of a luxury Pete if he doesn't cost us an arm and a leg and he is willing to be part of the squad then why not is my answer mate. Your right though in saying we don't need I agree with that hence the added luxury bit in my comment. With Ings and Origi they tend to drift out wide so baring the injury prone Studge and Benteke the only recognised out and out strikers adding another proven goalscorer (if he is willing to play his part when needed) wouldn't do us any harm at all. Firmino can score goals but again he tends to sit a bit deeper and drift out wide and having a so called 'Fox in the Box' like Gomez would be a great bit of business, But again I agree it is more of a luxury though than a necessity mate

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  49. Yeah your bang on the money mate! It tends carry that 'Once bitten twice shy' scenario a bit but I reckon we could well be onto a winner am keeping everythin crossed mate including my eyes

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  50. Clyne Skirtel Sakho Moreno (if hz still there)
    Milner Henderson
    Ibe Coutinho Firmino
    Benteke

    OR

    Clyne Skirtel Sakho Moreno
    DM
    Henderson Milner
    Coutinho
    Benteke Firmino

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  51. If we are gonna spend more money it between the sticks we should be looking

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  52. Thats another story in itself mate! But I totally agree on that one we do need another keeper as Bogdan is never going to make Migs look over his shoulder but I've given up the ghost on that one as I think Rodgers sees it differently mate

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  53. Once again no lallana I have a feeling Rodgers will start with lallana tino and firmino behind benteke, lallana is a company man and Rodgers likes that

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  54. Lets just hope he hits the ground running and that we can assemble a squad where players want to stay. Because the way I see it pan out now is that either he flops or he does well and will be looking for a move to Real or City two years from now

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  55. Nicolas Chamberlain4:21 pm, July 21, 2015

    Moreno is going nowhere, just like Sakho will stay put.
    Its from the same category as loud mouthed media outlets that scream ''massive blow for Liverpool as they miss out on ...''
    If Sturridge is fit he will partner up with Benteke. Lallana wil also play a big part this season.

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  56. Nicolas Chamberlain4:23 pm, July 21, 2015

    We should all like that.
    He works his socks off and is a very gifted player.
    Lets hope he will stay fit.

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  57. Agreed if Mr glass is fit he will play ......I don't know how much if any influence Miller and hendo have but I can see them pushing for a spot in the team for lallana because he's English and it could well help them get an international spot if they play well together ......just a thought

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  58. Agree but then someone else misses out.

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  59. It seems to me that Rodgers believe a Milner, Hendo, Cou midfield is what is needed. I cant see it happen. Sadly. Especially since it will still be Lucas and Allen as cover. With Can of course.

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  60. I love Lallana, he has an excellent touch and a goal in him for sure but he could get pushed out of the first 11 by Firmino. It remains to be seen though. As for sturridge I dont know, I have a sneaky feeling Benteke will relegate him to the bench.
    Injuries can kill a career I mean look at what happened to Torres...

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  61. If Benteke Signs for LFC, what would it mean for BR with his flat out refusal to talk the truth...? I mean....why lie for a trivial matter?

    Also, can someone who has seen the last few games of LFC (I have not seen these games) tell me with their gut feeling, how was LFC playing with this part-new look team?

    Plus, were they playing with less pace without Sterling?

    Thanks.

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  62. It was Rodgers trying to be cute and the less said about there last games the better they where dreadul

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  63. Not sure what's so bad about the ball tweet its a reasonable comment on a former teammate with a fair degree of perspective from a guy who is meant to have none

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  64. ."He gave everything to this club and respect it so"

    Great perspective.

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  65. It was an assumption of may work rather than would work and that's only on the proviso that hendo and milner can carry him when they may not even work as a pairing as neither of them are bona fide DM.....its all getting too complicated I just hope Rodgers knows what he is doing and if I'm honest I'm not full of confidence

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  66. Then there is Can

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  67. For some reason I don't think Rodgers is a fan of can that's why imnot mentioning him

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  68. See what you mean - I wasn't trying to be pedantic by the way, I'm slightly flummoxed trying to fit everyone in and we are still only talking single striker at the moment, which leaves a few more restless soles on the bench.
    Agree about Rodgers, I always defend him where possible but do concede that last season, getting the best out of what we had wasn't his strongest suit.
    Just hoping he's had more say on who's been brought in this window and his plans are now clear cut.

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  69. While you are correct, If I was Balotelli, that's not the hill I'd choose to die on.

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  70. ...correct about what LN74...?

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  71. As far as BR is concerned he's already dead, mummified cremated and buried

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  72. ..is this about Blaotteli supporting sterling and telling him to ignore st*pid LFC fans who can't seem to get that mercenaries are to be respected and revered for their unwiltingly selfish motives....?

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  73. All the thinks Balotelli could have said, to say he respected the club. He's trolling the fans

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  74. ...to clarify....I'm fairly intelligent but I don't understand the comment gilstrap posted...is it about baloteli and sterling and that it's 'not that bad'...?

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  75. We've been pretty outstanding so far, more pace, more quality, more pressing and just more of everything without Sterling - Milner and Ings have confirmed their marquee status and Gomez has proved to be the real deal - well worth checking out ;-)

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  76. Think so, perfectly fair or slightly misguided seems to be the question :) Why always him says this poster.

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  77. You hide it well ;-)

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  78. "Well done @sterling31! Best answer. Keep it up," the Italian wrote.
    Funny.....

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  79. He went on to say the fans smell and Brendan is a tit

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  80. I think Balotelli wants to leave, i have no other explanation.

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  81. ...yeah I was trained in camouflage.....the armed forces sent me to do my BSc at the academy of the three stooges and I did my PhD at the school of dumb and dumber..... :)

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  82. Jaimie, you're writing these articles as if there's some doubt that we're signing Benteke when there really isn't and hasn't been for quite some time.
    Rodgers brushed a reporter off by saying I don't know what you're talking about, mountains and molehills spring to mind

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  83. Emre will get the nod

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  84. Must have killed Brendan;)

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  85. What is worse is some of the replies he has got.. sometimes Liverpool fans make me ashamed to support this club

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  86. Don't worry it was nothing personal you just fell foul of the random comment delete feature

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  87. Theycallmemrburt7:18 pm, July 21, 2015

    there hasn't been a blunder like this since benazir bhutto admitted in 2007 that bin Ladin was killed in 2001. She ended up dead. Run Micheal RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MBTd5QNGB0

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  88. There are reasons to be cheerful. If the defence ships less goals with Clyne (and Gomez?) in the side, and a more balanced, dare I say dynamic midfield to protect it; this season could be good to the fans. LFC's new look attack is pretty tasty so goals are expected.

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  89. It has got nothing to do with goals from headers.

    You are not going to see Benteke running and scoring from acute angles. He is not going to twist and turn defenders. He is not going to create his own goals and will hardly crate for others.



    This is not a player in the mould of Suarez, Aguero, Sanchez etc.


    Benteke is a player who needs supply of the ball, gives you a presence in the box, bulldozes his way through defenders and puts his foot through the ball.


    It is going to be interesting to see what system of play is put into place this time round because if anyone is expecting Benteke to play one touch football with the likes of Coutinho and Firmino then those are living in La la land.


    The play will be need to be based around Benteke. He needs supply of the ball to function. Nothing more, nothing less.


    Go look at all the goals he scored last season. 90% would have been via supply of the ball.

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  90. LFC were the team with the least amount of crosses in the league last season. I wonder who is willing to go investigate how many goals were scored by Benteke via a cross into the box.

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  91. Nicolas Chamberlain7:56 pm, July 21, 2015

    Well, you couldn't have been more wrong. You describe him as a classic target man while he is much more than that.
    You should do some research on YT or read some villa fan sites. Its the same thing with his so called history of injuries.

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  92. What is much more. Explain then.

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  93. You have no idea what you are talking about. Here's Benteke's goals from open play in English football last season.

    1. Vs Crystal Palace, robs defender wide on halfway line, carries ball 60 yards, scores with a difficult right footed curled finish to the far post on the run.

    2. Vs Man Utd controls ball on chest from a long cross in a crowded penalty area, feints to go inside, outside, then finishes with a curling left footed shot beyond the stranded keeper to the far post.

    3. Vs. Blackpool, chest control from a difficult pass at the edge of the box beats a man, lashes a right-footed shot through the keeper from 18 yards.

    4. Vs. Sunderland, calm placed left-footed first-time finish from 12 yards running onto a low cross.



    5. Vs. Sunderland, towering header overpowering the central defender 6 yards out.



    6. Vs. Man Utd first to the ball in the penalty area as the defenders are frozen, a fortunate right footed poachers goal from 10 yards.


    7. Vs. QPR from the left wing, cuts inside after carrying the ball 30 yards, deflected right-footed finish from wide of the goal.


    8. Vs QPR runs through 1-1 from the halfway line with defenders closing in, calm finish from 18 yards.


    9. Vs. QPR thunderous right-footed direct free kick from 25 yards.



    10. Vs. Spurs towering header from a long diagonal pass from the penalty spot.



    11. Vs Liverpool placed right-footed first-time finish to the far post moving onto a neat square pass on the left hand side of the penalty area.



    12. Vs. Everton towering header from diagonal pass, 8 yards out under pressure from 2 defenders.



    13. Vs Everton athletic volleyed far-post finish with right foot reacting quickly after a flick-on at the near post.



    14. Vs. Southampton towering controlled header from a cross, overpowering 2 defenders at far post.

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  94. Maybe 3 or 4 last season depending what counts as a cross.

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  95. Theycallmemrburt8:12 pm, July 21, 2015

    i would make a cheeky bid for his compatriot lukaku. Now there's a flying powerhouse.

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  96. Nah, Emre is going to be developing his game by taking a life-drawing class on the half-way line. Do try and keep up, Jock ;)

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  97. Have you ever heard of supply of the ball? I have posted a video of all Benteke's goals.


    It will be down to Jaimie to make it available.

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  98. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q35nsc9sXR8

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  99. In reality half of them will be injured half the time, and the other half of them, the other half of the time. So it'll all work out just fine.

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  100. What a joke. Go look at his goals before making yourself look like you do not know what you are talking about.

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  101. Nicolas Chamberlain8:18 pm, July 21, 2015

    juist read Robo.
    The stats are quite obvious.
    Im a bit skeptic but Benteke has all the qualities to solve our problems.

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  102. To be honest I haven't heard that phrase used that way before, no. What's your point though mate?

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  103. I got sensored Stuart for some reason because I called some cocky and sarcastic keyboard warrior a Sp*d head as in a potato seriously! Haha!

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  104. It depends if we are going to feed him. This is not Suarez who can create something out of nothing.


    Give him the ball and he will flatten whatever is in his way. Arial presence he will win most of the time. Powerful shot and presence in the box.


    Target man.

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  105. Nicolas Chamberlain8:21 pm, July 21, 2015

    Supply of the ball = direct assist?
    Every striker is in a way depending on a good pass. Whats your point? Maybe we can find out how many goals he created for himself but even then, every striker needs supply.

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  106. On as certain level the balo tweet is actually quite insightful we all perceive the world different some are more concioius than others

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  107. Not saying i agree, but is that such a bad thing. Wont it be good to have different types of threats to throw at teams. Every striker needs a supply of the ball to function.

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  108. Go look at all the goals he scored last season, That will give you all the answers you need.

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  109. Yes but I have made it clear that Benteke is not the same player as Suarez, Aguero etc.


    I am also not saying Benteke is a bad player. At £32.5m to sign somebody who needs supply of the ball £90% of the time in order to score pretty much tells one that the play needs to be based around him just like it was at Villa.

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  110. I've not seen him for Belgium, but you've got to take his history in a villa context. I agree he lacks agility (quick from standing start,changes of direction) but he's got genuine pace.


    Some games last season, just got bored of Sterling, Coutinho, Borini just so lightweight up top they got bullied out of it every time

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  111. I'm gonna side with a lot of points Logan is making because the right answer is the right answer regardless of how many disagree ,logic dictates that bentekes game is based mainly on strength and physicality that's why he plays well against Liverpool as we can't handle the ilk of player ,a target man is that a target he doesn't paticualty score with his head but its there if needed they are a physical outlet .

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  112. Ok but then Benteke is being signed to do what? Add presence in the box?

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  113. If thats how Villa play then Benteke has no choice but to head it mate if all they do is whip the ball into the box...It doesn't mean he can't do anything other than head it he is playing to suit Villa in my own opinon. But your are right mate in the fact we do cross the ball very little so this side of his game is pretty much useless as it stands but Benteke can play with the ball to feet more than he is given credit for to be honest but from what we have seen of him within the restraints of Villas style of play his strength and aerial ability have been a major part of his success that can't be ignored.

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  114. According to sky news the signing of benteke will be the last for this window and all links to Reus and illaramemdi are nonsense...

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  115. The premise of a player who needs supply to score is not new. Whilst I agree with u that he's not in the Suarez, Arguero mould he could be compared to Diego Costa. Good in the air, strong but also good on the ground.

    Players like coutinho and firmino and lallana MUST be supplying crosses and creating chances its their job, so that players like Benteke can score goals.

    It all rests with BR at the end of the day, it should be interesting to see how he adapts his tactics to suit he's new acquisitions.

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  116. He does if Rodgers changes his mindset if we pass about in midfield slowly and give opposition defences vtge chance to set up benteke will do nothing if we play fast direct football he will score

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  117. I am not having a go at Benteke's ability.


    Suarez = magician.


    Benteke = if you do not get out of my way then I will run you over.


    Genius vs Physicality.


    If Benteke was not built like a tank then he would not get right half of what he does.


    Argue all you want.

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  118. There's more to him than that, but maybe. What has our current style achieved? I think he's just as mobile as Costa so not just in the box, he runs the channels all day long & is not a lazy player. Didn't Villa go close to 10 hours without scoring last season.

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  119. im with ya.Hoping against hope that we wont waste money on dross while our rivals are buying quality

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  120. But Rodgers is all about possession and slow build up play. This does not agree with Benteke in any shape or form.


    So unless Rodgers finds a way for Benteke to work in his system or completely changes his death by football approach then £32.m is going to be another big and hard pill to swallow.

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  121. I do think we'll go slightly more direct this season

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  122. Off topic. Has anyone noticed Joe Allen has grown a beard. I see only 2 explanations for this.


    He's either trying to disguise himself over there or far more likely Rodgers has told him he's the next Pirlo

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  123. Ffs Logan, it's not like Sturridge creates something out of nothing...

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  124. Even our goalie doesn't suit benteke he can't kick down field fast when defenders are out of position and benteke may have a one v one if. MIGs tries that it usually goes into touch on the half way line

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  125. Who's arguing mate? And where does the comparision between Benteke and Suarez come into it? Suarez is in a league of his own only a fool would say otherwise! i agreed his main attributes since his time at Villas have been his strength and aerial ability so where's the arguement? I am just stating Benteke is more capable with the ball at his feet than he is given credit for but his physicality does play a major part in his game, so where is the arguement? It's pretty much a done deal anyway, I wanted someone like Lacazette and I have made that well known in the past as he operates within a system not that disimlar to our own and plays in a way better suited but Rodgers looks like he has made his mind up already on that one and Benteke it is. He will score goals I have no doubt but not with the finesse and style we grew accustomed too watching Suarez.

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  126. Rodgers could have easily stuck to the 13/14 direct style but was to arrogant for his own good and decided to chop and change tactics and formations like underwear.


    We had more possession thumb suck 95% of the time vs our opposition whether we lost, drew or won.


    If Rodgers stick to his philosophy then Benteke will be doomed and is why I said it will be interesting to see how the tactics, formation and team is setup with Benteke as the central point?

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  127. Who's arguing and where does the comparision between Benteke and Suarez come into it? I never made it! Suarez is in a league of his own it would be foolish to say otherwise! i agreed his main attributes since his time at Villas have been his strength and aerial ability so where's the arguement? I am just stating Benteke is more capable with the ball at his feet than he is given credit for but his physicality does play a major part in his game, so where is the arguement? It's pretty much a done deal anyway, I wanted someone like Lacazette and I have made that well known in the past as he operates within a system not that disimlar to our own and plays in a way better suited but Rodgers looks like he has made his mind up already on that one and Benteke it is. He will score goals I have no doubt but not with the finesse and style we grew accustomed too watching Suarez

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  128. Rodgers could have easily stuck to the 13/14 direct style but was to arrogant for his own good and decided to chop and change tactics and formations like there was no tomorrow.

    We had more possession thumb suck 95% of the time vs our opposition whether we lost, drew or won.

    If Rodgers stick to his philosophy then Benteke will be a dead man walking and is why I said it will be interesting to see how the tactics, formation and team is setup with Benteke as the central point?

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  129. Rodgers could have easily stuck to the 13/14 direct style but was to arrogant for his own good and decided to chop and change tactics and formations like there was no tomorrow.

    We had more possession +- 95% of the time vs our opposition whether we lost, drew or won.

    If Rodgers stick to his philosophy then Benteke will be a dead man walking and is why I said it will be interesting to see how the tactics, formation and team is setup with Benteke as the central point?

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  130. Rodgers could have easily stuck to the 13/14 direct style but knew better and decided to chop and change tactics and formations like there was no tomorrow.

    We had more possession +- 95% of the time vs our opposition whether we lost, drew or won.

    If Rodgers stick to his philosophy then Benteke will be a dead man walking and is why I said it will be interesting to see how the tactics, formation and team is setup with Benteke as the central point?

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  131. But he can drift infield or out wide I'm not sure that's something benteke does to any real effect as it negates his main attributes

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  132. Right, I've just spent four minutes and twenty nine seconds on this so don't argue.
    Last season Including Belgium = 6 from 16 and that's being extremely generous to yourself and includes I think, two corners and we do tend take some of those ourselves from time to time :)

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  133. If Rodgers was delighted with our style & blamed the season on bad luck,players or injuries do you think there would have been a clear out of his backroom staff?

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  134. C'mon mate, transfer window is going fine, we are playing well, you have a girlfriend... Think positive...

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  135. Listen.

    Being good at the target man role does not exclusively make you a target man. Benteke played as a target man because it's the only way villa know how to play. Their team is that devoid of imagination and flair that it's impossible for benteke to score goals while they *try* to play a more pass and move style. Benteke is good on the ball. If Rodgers asks him to drift around the field, I'm sure he's capable, it's not such a hard thing to do for a pro striker.

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  136. Disagree, that could be the whole point of him. When opposition defences are set up, he's a battering ram

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  137. But I will make my point again. If Benteke was not built like a tank then would he get right what he does on the pitch?


    It is the same with Suarez, if he was built like Benteke would he be able to make you go WTF with the things he pulls off on the pitch?


    Benteke is a player who uses his physicality to dominate. Without that he would not be the same player, We are signing Benteke to dominate in the box. If we do not supply him then he will be as good as use to us as Carroll was.


    Benteke much better player than Carroll by far, offers more but if the supply is dry then the goals will be few.

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  138. Though I am not in favor of signing Benteke at 32M. I believe he will improve our team immensely. Here is why.

    1) PL experience. He has shown that he is a good striker over the past few years.

    2) His presence will annoy defenders and open up pockets for our AM to score/pass.

    3) Last year, not only did we have difficulty beating the top 4 (which is expected), but also struggled to beat the teams below us in the table. I think Ben can help the team enormously in that category.

    4) Based on preseason, we are back to the pressing game and unlike Balo, Ben did more than his fair share of pressing at AV.

    4) Similar to Suarez who at times needed three people to defend him. I expect more than one defender to cover him.

    5) All strikers thrive based on supply of the goals. Even Sturridge (Suarez provided him with multiple assists). So its fine to have an attacker like that. Besides we already have people who can supply him the ball. At times last year, all we did in the final third was to pass the ball to each other looking for an opening. The sad part was when we tried to cross it with Sterling as our striker (:

    6) We will be far more dangerous during free kicks, corners, and crosses.



    I came to accept the fact that I may see another Suarez type player (good at everything) at the club any time soon, So I expect entire team to collectively compensate for his absence (something that did not happen last year). Hopefully this year both players and the manager learned their lessons.

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  139. You would of thought so but like I said benteke drifting into the midfield taking the ball of milner will completely negate him as a threat he needs to be on the shoulder of the cb in the penalty area to fully utilize his abilities ,if we pass it to death in midfield and try andvwalk it into the net he will be likeva manaquin in a shop window

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  140. As usual, you're stubbornly pushing an opinion that totally ignores reality, history, and probability. Jut you did with your 'Rodgers WILL get sacked' stuff.

    The idea that Benteke is just about physicality is a giant cliche, and is simply not true. If Liverpool were signing a skinny, small striker, you'd probably be arguing that he's 'not strong enough' to make a difference, even if he'd previously scored a shedload of goals.

    The video that you posted earlier on proves categorically that Benteke is more than Physical strength, and most of the goals are due to superb positioning, finishing, and technique.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q35nsc9sXR8

    Being 'built like a tank' has little to do with it, and you've offered zero evidence to prove that contention.

    You're just riding this horse because you want Rodgers to fail, so you're setting Benteke up to fail, so that you can come back laters and so 'I told you so'.

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  141. Two or three separate tweets I think, all about how great Sterling was and how we should still be supporting him like he was one of our own.
    Something along those lines anyway, expect he thought we would find it endearing. Good old Balo eh, always up to something non-football related ;-)

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  142. Thats was fine, thing that annoyed me was he said Sterling respected the club, stupid choice of words.

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  143. Why did Rodgers not make proper use of the strikers he had this past season?


    I.e Lambert Balo and Borini? They were fit most of the season were they not?


    Ah, because they were not good enough after he praised them when they were signed?


    Sterling was left to carry the can when he is not even a natural striker.

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  144. Benteke success or failure will be down to the defence and midfield and not say tino and firmino ,if the ball isn't recycled and moved forward at pace he's a dead duck

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  145. Again! You are stating a point again that I did not disagree with regarding his physicality it is something that can not be denided, I have been calling Benteke a square peg in a round hole since the rumours surfaced but we will continue this discussion at the end of the season and see how many goals he bags he has never been my choice and I still feel the same but when you are built like Benteke he will move them and score, it won't be as pretty to watch as Suarez but he will score

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  146. Yeah, I cant explain that. I'm no fan of Rodgers

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  147. It will all be down to Rodgers whether Benteke fits or not. Balo, Lambert and Borini are all sitting in the naughty corner.

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  148. Thanks for posting that video, it is them same one I posted. And I thought it was about opinion?


    Have a close look at the goals again. I guess we will just have to leave it there then.

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  149. Does he not play that way for Belgium too?

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  150. Yeah lets cross it in to Sterling

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  151. Top 4 & us routinely face 10 men behind the ball at home & they manage to score. Looked so lightweight up top last season we've got to try something different, a bit of physicality might work. Look at Chelsea, bunch of bruisers.


    Don't think they'll be a massive change in style next season, but Rodgers is drinking at "last chance saloon"


    He's got to try something

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  152. Rodgers first season it was about his philosophy. 2nd season started off with his philosophy until Suarez returned from his ban. 3rd season a mixture of his philosophy and a complete balls up.


    4th season???

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  153. colonel cocknocker9:43 pm, July 21, 2015

    If only maradona had little t-rex arms.....

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  154. For me the problem was that there was no proper striker in the team. No one to make good runs so that fast defence splitting pass was rarely an option

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  155. My thought was a bit 'storm in a teacup' but to be honest I do think him commenting on sterling at all was ill advised at best - it was bound to put peoples noses out and lead to questions about whether that was the intended effect. Specially the bit you mention I agree.

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  156. Actually, how we pay does make a huge difference because only £16m gets taken out of our Summer Budget with the rest paid in seperate instalments; all small fees here and there that makes a big difference to a small team like Villa.

    Secondly Benteke *does* have 49 goals on 101 appearances because I've included his goals in ALL competitions.

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  157. Yeah, no problem with him saying "Raheem's my mate" or "well done" but by the whole respect thing is regards the transfer. Just why bring it up.

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  158. colonel cocknocker9:57 pm, July 21, 2015

    the games are on youtube if you want to watch them.

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  159. I wasn't talking about the number on their back . I'm talking about the job they do.
    A number six is a midfielder who puts defence first and screens the defence. The same way a classic goal scoring striker is a #9 and so forth.
    Masherano doesn't play in defence for Argentina and didn't start playing there for barca until very recently. When they had a defender crises. Hell they had adriano at cb.
    Every team has a midfielder who puts defence ahead of anything else. That's what we need and I'm saying can is too eager to attack from deep in a yaya toure esque way and that leaves spaces behind him. Lucas is okay but we should try and at least get in an improvement.
    On the exceptions like United when they won the league in the rafa era. They had Ronaldo the beSt player on the planet in their team and a very good Rooney not to mention giggs so they always were likely to score more and that wins you stuff.
    I'm saying there's always one midfielder in every team who has more defensive responsibility than all the others and that u can't deny.

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  160. Lallana doesn't press. Pressing implies clever and sophisticated movement to close the opposition down. Lallana just chases the ball down without any real purpose so it can't be classed as 'pressing'. The way Lallana closes down is ineffective and just results in him leaving space behind him for the opposition to pass. I know it's not a popular opinion but it's hard to argue against it.

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  161. wouldnt swap for benzema, am very confident this guys gonna soar

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  162. Agree, I keep getting swept up with the who goes where debate/concern but since earlier it's occurred to me that if this was chelski or City's abundance of options under the spotlight we'd see it as a definite plus for them and so it will be for us :)

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  163. Sorry but the Mr Glass title has to go to Diaby of Arsenal. He would be one of the best Midfilders in th world if it wasn't for his injury. Very highly rated before decimated by injuries.

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  164. I'm sure he just wanted to make sure that benteke was signed before he commented on it.don't see the big deal..

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  165. He played most games last season..

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  166. Mascherano has played there for Barca for two years son, he started getting in there as a result of injuries but that is now his position...he may play in midfield for Argentina but they havent won anything since 1986.
    Chile have and they do have Gary Medel you are right....but where does play for them? As a CB that's where as he did for every match in the world cup....they only move home into midfield if they have injuries. He plays in the middle of a back three.

    All teams have a deep lying midfield player but none of the teams I mentioned have a Makelele/Mascherano style player you were advocating in your earlier post. I gave you the examples of the teams and you haven't answered them, because well, you can't can you? I don't think you'll be convincing anyone Modric is similar to Mascherano anytime soon

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  167. Probably the latter. Since Xavi left Barca now Pirlo is the best passer in the top leagues.

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  168. Two strikers to get the best of inside and outside service.

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  169. I am sick to death of people getting on Rodgers back!!!!!!!! In my opinion he has done a great job, ok the signings we have made since he has been in charge are not great, actually quite poor but we don't know the situation with this transfer committee.
    I've always liked the way he has spoke maybe he has been reading all the negative comments about him by these fake lfc fans and lost abit of enthusiasm. One thing is for sure, emotion and passion is a dying art in this game so long live Rodgers

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  170. Pirlo went to NYCFC bro.. Maybe the next Alonso :P

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  171. What I do not get is this sudden explanation that we are getting Benteke for variety.. Wasnt Lambert supposed to do that or Balotelli. Unfortunately, this deal is going through but I still have not seen anyone give me a legitimate explanation as to why Benteke will be good for us. IMO, he is as average as they come and has purple patches here and there where he gets goals to improve his record. Hoepfully, he proves me wrong like Sturridge but not looking good.

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  172. There aren't enough down arrows to push on this inanity.

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  173. PSG have signed Kevin Trapp.. If he is good enough for them, why did we go for Bogdan?

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  174. You do because it lifts the entire team...to perform look at Man utd. De Mariaband falcao didn't even play that well but they still went on to be top four.. Becauae there is a certain lift in spirit with a big name arrival

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  175. Nicolas Chamberlain11:32 pm, July 21, 2015

    ''... as average as they come ...''


    Thats just too harsh mate.
    Im skeptical because of the sum; it just makes me a little bit worried, but he showed more than enough to rate him a classy player with lots of potential.

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  176. Well sometimes he did. But mostly because of injuries he managed to create nothing out of something.

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  177. Average strikers don't have a scoring record of 1 in 2 in the prem over 3 seasons by the age of 24. Add to that he achieved this with a struggling side and also that he had a difficult recovery period from a serious injury in there and that makes it look very impressive.

    Are there a few elite strikers that I would rather have? Benzema, Lacazette and possibly Higuain but they are not available to us with no CL. Benteke is proven in the league and at 24 has scope to improve further.

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  178. The way a right footed defender on the right side of defence can't use his left? Lol if anything, it should give the two centre backs balance

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  179. Your chances of them not making something up are up there with a Tory election manifesto.

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  180. I prefer Sakho to Skirtl

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  181. If Balo is in your dressing room then you are also ways in danger of losing it. Ask Inter, AC, and City.

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  182. He looks terrible but his control and passing are 'outstanding.'

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  183. I agree Milner will do great:-)

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  184. That was Rafas mantra and the players didn't like that he wanted them to run through walls unconditionally for the club.

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  185. Begovic is good enough for our first team and yet he'll be waming the Chelsea bench.

    I'm assuming the reason we went for a Championship reserve on a free that apparently had no other offers, was money.

    So if Migs gets injured we're relying on him.

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  186. I have to be honest I've always wanted to like Sakho even when he's not been great and I've defended him on quite a few occasions. However, the more I think about it the more I question why I've had this loyalty towards him when the truth is he's really not that great. I'm assuming it probably has something to do with the fact I've never really liked Skrtel and we simply don't really have any quality CBs at the club IMO. Lovren is better than he showed last season but has he ever been great... Questionable. Toure is just a calamity waiting to happen and Illori well as much as we all like to think he's a world beater in waiting he hasn't proved anything as yet and quite likely won't ever at our club (rightly or wrongly). Other than DM I think our CBs are the weakest area of the team now, none of them are really good enough. Thus I wouldn't be particularly fussed if we replaced all of them (obviously not going to happen I know) and my order of preference of letting them go would be Toure, then Skrtel, then Lovren and then Sakho. So to sum up I personally think Sakho is just the best of a not participatory great bunch.

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  187. It's difficult to get a keeper of Begovic's ability to sit on the bench mate, and he is good but I wouldn't swap Migs for him. I bet Chelsea are paying him more than migs gets to sit on the bench. It is what we are up against....

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  188. Nearly every big transfer that involves us is paid that way.

    It's not a positive, it's just business as usual.

    If the 16 mill only came out this summer, then it's really short-sighted.

    How is it a positive to sacrifice future transfer budgets?

    And can you imagine the reaction of the media and our fans if FSG turn round next summer and say there's no big transfers till we' ve paid off Benteke.

    The last player we bought from Villa was through installments, Downing.

    I don't remember anyone saying it was a positive then.

    Yes, all competitions.

    But in the PL he averages 14 a season even if you include his best season.

    Less than 12, if you don't and go off his two most recent seasons.

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  189. I'd swap him for Migs.

    Or at least tell him that he was a genuine challenger.

    Instead we've bought in a keeper who couldn't dislodge Fulham's 39 yr old reserve keeper from the Hungary side, nor Andy Lonergan from the Bolton side.

    Bogdan only played 13 times in all competitions for Bolton last season.

    Yet now he's our main back-up.

    Tbh, I'd rather have took a risk on one of the kids.

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  190. I heard it was injury, I am pretty sure it was. Not saying he is world beater, but facts are facts.

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  191. Maybe Gattuso. I wouldn't mind Joe getting a bit more bite in his game actually -- I think if he can remake himself as a nasty little player, he might get somewhere. His problem is that he's seen as, and probably has been, a bit soft. If he could add some end-product and a bit of nark in his game, his natural ability and appetite to be involved in the game could see him have a good second half of his career.

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  192. He had two injuries, 1 serious (ankle ligament).

    No doubt that affected season but the guy has barely scraped 100 apps in 8 years.

    And that doesn't explain the non-selection for Hungary.

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  193. I agree mate his strength and build will be utilised as they are obvious factors looking at him but he is far more capable with the ball than people realise. He was neve my first choice but then again I don't make the decisions but I have sneaking suspicion he will score goals for some reason much against my own views. I'll eat humble pie gladly if he bangs them in

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