5 Jun 2015

Next Stop Anfield? Liverpool to make €20m offer for 'super-fast' R.Madrid 'phenomenon'

In April, Liverpool allegedly made an £18m bid for on-loan Real Madrid attacking Denis Cheryshev, and reports in Spain now suggest that the Russia international is one of Brendan Rodgers' priority transfer targets this summer.

According to Spanish newspaper AS on Friday:

* Liverpool have already made contact with Real Madrid to discuss a possible transfer to Anfield.

* The Reds are 'willing to offer between €15-20 million' to sign the 24-year-old attacker.

* Cheryshev is not Rafa Benitez's plans for next season and Rodgers sees the Russian as a potential replacement for Raheem Sterling.

Some info about Cheryshev:

* Left-winger, currently on-loan at Villareal.

* Currently sidelined with a hamstring injury (he should fit right in at Anfield, then!)

* 5 injuries in the last two years: 3x hamstring, plus a serious muscle injury (out for 122 days), and a fractured toe.

* 39 games missed through in injury in the last two seasons.

* Made only one senior appearance for Madrid before being farmed out on loan.

* This season: 7 goals/11 assists in 40 games for Villareal (Goal/assist every 2.2 games)

* 7 apps for the Russia national team.

* According to Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo: "Cheryshev is powerful, super-fast, and is one of Villareal's most dangerous attackers".

When asked in early-April about whether he'd return to Madrid next season, Cheryshev told Marca:

"Real Madrid haven’t told me anything about coming back yet. The only thing I want to do is play football. Right now I feel very well and after the pre-season tour of Australia, we'll see what will happen"


Cheryshev's goals/assists ratio is only slightly better than Sterling's, and for €20m, I'd prefer to see the Reds sign a player with a significantly better creative output.

Additionally, Cheryshev's recent injury history is a massive concern, and the last thing Liverpool need is another player who regularly suffers niggling injury issues.

It may all be moot, though, as Cheryshev wants to stay at Villareal, and he confirmed this in March, when he told reporters:

"If everybody involved reaches an agreement I'd be delighted to stay at Villarreal. Here people have always shown me kindness and I'd like to continue to repay that with my efforts and my performances."

In May, Villareal vice-president Jose Manuel Llaneza also confirmed that the club want to keep Cheryshev:

"We want to have Denis Cheryshev on loan for another season he is a phenomenon, and Villarreal will make 'an effort' to get that done but the outcome is uncertain".

In my view, Cheryshev is more than capable of replacing Sterling, as is any decent winger who's capable of scoring more 7 league goals in one season.


Author: Jaimie K



476 comments:

  1. Frankie Fletcher8:22 am, June 05, 2015

    I'm not sure about signing him at all. Even if sterling goes we have Markovic, Ibe, Lallana and coutinho who can all do a job on the wing so we don't need a half decent injury prone replacement. Get a striker in first of all!

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  2. To be fair for €15-20 million euros his goals and assists aren't bad at all if you want a winger scoring 10 and assisting 10 a season your looking at £30-40 mil stirling

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  3. get a striker lfc get a striker,,,,,,,,,,,learn from old mistakes

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  4. Exactly... was that not rogers excuse for not going for DEPAY... we have enough wingers here. i still cant believe that what a joke!

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  5. Do a deal for Dzeko and Jovetic...........................give City Sterling..........job done.

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  6. Nebojsa Ristovic9:22 am, June 05, 2015

    "39" games missed due to injury in the last two seasons? And he is worse than Sturridge.

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  7. Well he could have said "proper players don't want to sign for me" but then again he could have said "I quit" rather than "if the owners want me to quit, I'll leave."

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  8. if we go for wingers, why dont we pick up Yarmolenko. or even like some people have suggested, Ayew from OM for free?

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  9. Nah, there are way better players than this guy

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  10. ------------------------Migs-------------------------
    newRB------Skrtel---------Sakho-----Moreno
    -----------------------Can---------------------------
    -----------Hendo------------Milner----------------

    -----Lallana----------------------Coutinho-------
    ---------------Studge (or a new good striker)-


    we got a decent enough first eleven i think. good enough to finish 4th for sure. our young squad is another year older. i think Can has ability to be the defensive (playmaker) Rodgers wanted Gerrard to be.


    RB and striker situation needs to be assessed ASAP. no defenders no more central mids, and no wingers please.

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  11. U are forgetting injuries and sales. No matter what need to make sure we have cover for all the positions.

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  12. i think we are pretty well covered, at attacking mids, central too if Lucas stays. he can play def mid or CM, and Allen is a good squad player.

    Wisdom is coming back so we got cover for RB.

    i think if we are gonna sell players, its borini and Balo who are going.

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  13. Konoplyanka... Please...

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  14. Proper players don't want to sign? What are you on about? What's a "proper player" about Salah or Depay and not about Coutinho or Lallana? It's just bullshit.

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  15. He should have quit the groveling little man "I'm sorry Mr Werner I won't get a 6-1 drubbing against a team assembled for not even a quarter of what i've already spent" The man is clueless all we seem to sign are players who fail to excite the fans or perform on the pitch and the ones he signs that do well seem to be injury prone....Rodgers is going to have to really step up to the plate (Baseball term to help John W. Henry better understand) and prove me and many more wrong or his time will be numbered as a LFC manager he's lucky he still is.

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  16. Mkytharian, Willian, Sanchez, Costa, Depay (indeed) to name a few

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  17. Don't want him? as Y.O says underneath Konoplyanka is available on the free so what sort of half-witt signs a crock player for lots of cash when there are better player available for less and free....Oh wait it's FSG and Rodgers we are talking about...They must sign all these crock players because The Committee must have a little book with mugshots and then decide who they fancy the pants of most... Metaphorically speaking it's like when a mate falls in love with a total moose with attitude problems (not literally a moose - an unattractive horrible woman) ... but all he see's is the most beautiful girl in the world even though everyone around him see's a moose..She cost him an arm and a leg in handbags and shoes but still doesn't look the part but still he loves her! They are in denial they chose Rodgers and old Mr Henry an Mr Werner still can't see his faults they love him to much....Haha! My childish rants over

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  18. lord•¥CloudMir11:42 am, June 05, 2015

    This deal makes ZERO sense if we're truly after him, we have enough wingers in our books. Lallana and markovic are capable of getting 7goals if played in their right position and more game time.. If we're looking for an upgrade then it has to be konoplyank

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  19. Doesn't answer my question though does it. You're claiming that "proper players" don't want to sign *for Rodgers*. But since "proper players" *do* sign for Rodgers, you're obviously wrong. There's more -- or less -- to it than you want there to be.

    In your case it's just confirmation bias, so I don't know why I'm bothering making this point. Some players you want don't sign. Some do. That's normal for a club in Liverpool's position -- it's normal for any club. Just... deal with it.

    As for the individuals you name, I can't think of a single quote from any of them, or any suggestion from anyone other than from people like you, that the manager was a factor in their decision not to sign for Liverpool. As I say, it's just bullshit. You don't need it.

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  20. "Grovelling little man"? Why on earth would anyone want to prove someone who uses such pathetic insults wrong? You think Brendan Rodgers, or anyone associated with LFC, or even a stranger on the internet, is going to pay any attention to someone who writes about people with that kind of loathsome disrespect? Sort yourself out.

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  21. Salah wanted, just our ofeer did not satisfied Basle.

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  22. But why Yarmolenko because he costs 15-20 mil. and not Konoplyanka for free. I agree about Ayew. He scored against Germany in WC. Not many did it.

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  23. Can somebody remind Ayre about him. He spent him a few days in Ukraina. I'm from abroad but the english fans?!

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  24. And what proper players have signed for Rodgers? Lallana? Luis Alberto? Borini?

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  25. Yeah, he needs reminding. We always complain about good players being out of reach for this reason or that, but here's a very good player who wants to play for us and is free. No brainer.

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  26. Again there is this strange expectation that we should be signing "Proper Players", "Elite Players", "World Class Players"


    Take a look over the last 25 years and 180 players that we have signed.


    Name me 10 players that were considered to be any of the things I have just mentioned.


    We have struggled for decades to sign these types of players because we are not a Top European Club any more and haven't been for a very long time.


    Christ we haven't won our domestic title in 20 years why should any Top European Player come to us?


    We have won 1 major trophy in 10 years and that was 10 years ago.


    We have won only 2 Major European titles in 20 years.


    We can even offer consistent CL football.


    If that wasn't bad enough we can not compete financially either.


    So why should any Top Class Player, or Proper Player want to sign for us?

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  27. We have struggled for decades because during the majority of those decades we had Moores and Parry who failed to catch on to the modern age. And no we did not have money then and we did not have CL football two years ago and all the excuses that you can think of that seem to apply to us but not to clubs like Spurs, Napoli or Ateltico Madrid. Last year though, last summer, all the boxes were ticked. We have 125 million to spend and CL football to offer. And what could we get? Nothing. We have ONE target which qualifies as a proper football player and when we failed to sign him, we had no one. And pray tell, why do top players sign for Arsenal? For all the European cups they've won? Or for the three league titles in the last two decades, none in the last 11 years by the way? No, it's for London right?

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  28. Lost out on both ,Ayew is going to Roma and Kono to Stoke

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  29. He is going to Stoke !

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  30. really good signing for stoke

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  31. 4eva LFC, LFC 4eva2:32 pm, June 05, 2015

    Can we just seriously offer 30-40 mill to a proven world class goal scorer, ok he doesn't have to be world class just a proven goal scorer and see how we go instead of being linked to good strikers and rumoured to be offering 14-20 mill for them.

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  32. Can't they be satisfied with beating us 6-1?

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  33. "In my view, Cheryshev is more than capable of replacing Sterling, as is any decent winger who's capable of scoring more 7 league goals in one season."



    Get Sterling some aloe vera cuz he just got burned!

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  34. My only issue with that is Dzeko's age, and his wages.


    But your overall concept is pretty good in the sense that we'd be getting two attackers back.


    Though I'd like to believe that we could get someone who's performed better than Jovetic.

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  35. What on earth are you jibbering? The almighty nobhead has spoken! Hypocrite! Or even stranger listen to someone on the internet disrespect my arse you cock! The almighty nobhead has spoken! Rodgers is lucky to still be in a job and that's a fact no matter what you say or even stranger

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  36. The League Cup in 2012 doesn't count as major trophy? :)

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  37. Really.. here is an example.

    We won the CL in 2005 in what was arguably the most exciting final of all time.

    Our stock as a club couldn't be higher. Our manager, Rafa, had stopped both Barc and RM from winning the league twice with Valencia and had just won the CL in his firs season with a poor squad, his stock could't be higher.

    If there was ever a time when we could get the best players it would of been then.

    Who did we get?

    Peter Crouch - Southampton 7mil
    Pepe Reina - Villarreal - 6mil
    Mohamed Sissoko - Auxerre 5.6mil
    Antonio Barragan - Sevilla Free
    Bolo Zenden - Middlesbrough Free
    Godwin Antwi - Real Zaragoza Free
    Besian Idrizaj - LASK Linz Free
    Jack Hobbs - Lincoln City - 750k
    Miki Roque - Lleida - Free



    So even when our stock was at its higest the best player we could attract was Peter Crouch?


    As for Arsenal, yes they have one of the best managers in the world and they are in London, on top of that they have a fantastic stadium.


    Also Arsenal have struggled to keep of hold of their best players over the years even with qualifying for the CL every year.


    As for the other clubs you have mentioned, what about them?


    What have they won, what World Class players have they signed and how many of their best players have they had to sell?


    Even when they do win major trophies they inevitable lose their best players.


    So what exactly was your point?

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  38. Well KD though so but look where it got him :)

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  39. Mike Marsh's contract not renewed.


    Something had to change if Rodgers was keeping his job. We've now seen at least the first change

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  40. What on earth are you jibbering? The almighty has spoken! Hypocrite! 'Or even stranger listen to someone on the internet' so your opinion counts for nothing then as well then mate by your own reckoning! Rodgers is lucky to still be in a job and that's a fact no matter what you say big man

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  41. You're right, something did need to change. But in saying that, I don't know how they let the blame lie at Marsh's feet, but not Rodgers'. He's ultimately a lot more responsible.

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  42. Let's hope the next one is Rodger's crony Pascoe and that one of the conditions is that he has to get a competent defence
    coach in !

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  43. No the best player we could get was not Peter Crouch. But we had David Moores in charge and Rick Parry which basically meant we had sfa money. Like I said in the post you replied to. Sissoko came from Valencia by the way. As for Arsenal, it was never their policy to attract big players. They didn't get them because they didn't try. Once they caught on that this is what is required, they went for it and they succeeded.

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  44. I understand your point there.


    My only response (and it's not even a rebuttal), is that FSG needed to acknowledge that SOMETHING needed to change.

    We couldn't expect to do the same thing and get a better result.


    Marsh was certainly not the sole responsible entity here, and I agree that Rodgers is certainly more responsible as he is the manager.


    Something had to be done though once FSG decided that Rodgers was staying for now.

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  45. Yeah, just a shit move overall though...

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  46. Well, it wasn't going to please anyone since Marsh has the history with the club.


    And it certainly wasn't going to please those such as yourself who wanted Rodgers out ultimately.


    Though the one thing to keep in mind is that odds are a new manager would have brought in his own backroom staff anyway. Granted, that's not guaranteed by any stretch, but it's likely that Marsh was a goner whether Rodgers stayed or went.

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  47. I'm happy with Marsh going, but only if Rodgers follows him. Just seems to me so idiotic that they try to bring about change by getting rid of the dude who puts out the training cones at melwood.

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  48. Im sure the let the wrong one go ?

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  49. Your right about Mohamed Sissoko but very wrong about Arsenal.


    They couldn't sign expensive players because they were paying for their stadium, it wasn't until the stadium was paid for that they then had the money to spend big.


    As for the rest, look at our transfer signings, the money was there, it was the fact that we couldn't attract the big named stars.


    You can argue all you want that Rafa had to sell before he brought, but he still spent 230mil on mostly crap and that was in part in not being able to attract the so called top players.


    Evans had money, the same, Houllier had money, the same, Rafa had money the same and so on.








    Sorry if that hurts but that is the blunt truth of it.

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  50. Flanno should be fit for the new season, but he's been out for a whole year. That's a pretty long time to not play a single match. Not sure if he'll come back as strong.

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  51. I like the second one, that is enough if you have Ibe and Couts in the team.

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  52. Reading the comments from Tony Evans - I couldn't agree more.

    But that's the problem when FSG:

    1. Don't sack a manager who's significantly underachieved and underperformed after 3 years
    2. Would rather have an incompetent "YES" man at the helm than someone who will actually take LFC forward and challenge for the top on a consistent basis
    3. Make no announcements following their end of season review - utterly shameful way to treat fans and supporters who've had to put up with an awful year of football - ending in a miserable 6-1 away defeat

    Ultimately, FSG will shoot themselves in the foot, if they do not turn things around from this point. Yes credit goes to them for saving LFC from the two crooks. But that goodwill will soon dissipate if they continue to back a woeful manager, and we have another miserable season under BR.

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  53. Yeah why not. Not that those things are connected or that is relavant to my post at all like.

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  54. Both those players are on around 100k and can make up more. Both will likely get a new contract within two years. I really don't think we should be worrying about it at all.

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  55. What on earth are you jibbering? The almighty has spoken! Hypocrite! 'Or even stranger listen to someone on the internet' so your opinion counts for nothing mate by your own reckoning. Rodgers is lucky to still be in a job and that's my opinion and the majority of supporters so no matter what you think or try and ram down peoples throats it's called an opinion and you have very little respect for others opinions that do not coincide with your own so get of your high horse, if you don't agree then that's fine but how dare you tell me to sort myself out mate! that's my opinion on the grovelling little man he's till in a job and Mike Marsh gets the sack and i'll say it all day long what are you going to do about it big man? Make another snotty comment that's what! So you sort yourself out mate and accept other people have a different view on Bodgers than yourself if you don't like it then tough it's my view and I'm entitled to one just like you mate!

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  56. Apparently Milner wouldn't have signed if Rodgers had gone .....
    Surely this wouldn't have affected FSG's decision ?

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  57. Jay Jay, you start by setting some simple standards at the top. Hence before suggesting performance pay for players, shouldn't the manager have some performance related features?

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  58. Here goes Robo again going all 'totalitarian' and utterly condescending with his opinions!

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  59. Never heard of this guy what's his play style like ?

    Rodgers has a thing for fast players I.e. markokic,sturridge, ibe, dyer routledge etc

    This guy could do well for liverpool as Rodgers basis our system around quick counter football which he has some success with look at Swansea first year and liverpool last year. But we need a forward who can benifit from all the pace and good on the break.

    Any further developments on Clyne Jamie ?

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  60. I agree with you Eric

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  61. Why do we have a Reseve Under 21 Team or uNDER 18 etc if after all the scouting etc we cannot produce a goalkeeper to compete with the Bolton Wanderers RESERVE KEEPER - THE MIGHY BODGAN = Who is probably a lot worse than our Ward

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  62. We've got Rodgers til at least Christmas.


    If we're not in or around the top 4, I think the change will be made if Klopp is willing to come here.

    If he's not, we've got Rodgers until at least May 2016.

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  63. Colin Pascoe to follow Marsh apparently.

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  64. Rodgers has spent 20 million short of that figure in his first three years. Benitez took five. And when Benitez did spend money it worked out the first couple of years. Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Johnson. He lost the plot with Aquilani and missmanaged Keane and he had to go. I was in favour of that then too so I dont see why you want to turn this discussion into Benitez vs Rodgers. Its not about who did the worst job. Its about how Rodgers is doing a pesh poor one

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  65. Well, at least Logan was right on that count. Good thing there no bet for that eh :)

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  66. Because of course its their fault. First his wife, now his loyal nrs 2 and 3. Begging not to get sacked. Classy guy that Rodgers.

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  67. It's the new trend for 2015. Marshes are out, Bog[dan]s are in.

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  68. Heads are droping at Anfield just now ! It will only be good news if recognised, experienced coaches are coming in.

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  69. There's no time for sentiment or acting class here. If Rodgers thinks he can do a better job with different people then he is right to part ways with those 2. Time will tell if it was a good move.

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  70. This is hopefully a misdirection headline. We already have more than enough easily injured players and don't need anymore depth! Can we PLEASE stop this madness?

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  71. I hope you are right and we get a seasoned, successful defense coach instead of a lacky....

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  72. One would have thought BR would have the decency to say "I am at fault and resign" rather than pass the buck and in firing #2 and #3 blaming others for his mistakes.

    Typical BR response to a problem.

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  73. So where's the official FSG response following on from the season review?

    FSG and co are happy to tweet every now and again following a positive win.. but where is the LEADERSHIP when it's needed the most, and especially after the hammering at the end of the season.

    By FSG supporting a crony manager, they are unnecessarily bringing themselves into the firing line,

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  74. Markovic and Lallana haven't shown they can score.....................Look elsewhere.........these are squad guys at best, albeit overpriced ones.

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  75. And so when it all fails by Xmas, the new staff and BR will have to be moved on in any case!!

    Why wait till Xmas?

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  76. As much as I agree that your outlook is perfectly correct, it's an awful way to run a club and shocking waste of a season to see if BR can get it right after 3.5 years. when he couldn't do the job after 3 years.

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  77. I agree with you too Eric...........

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  78. Your wasting your time Eric, fans are kidding themselves with this deal as are pundits, when I hear the term good honest player with an engine your talking lower level players .….….in what universe do people think milner will be any good at 33 or 34 when his entire game is built on fitness. Rip Liverpool As A top flight club

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  79. He should be going after the Swamp Thing. Just another example of BR being out of his depth!

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  80. That's what my concern has been. We've not seen enough youngsters promoted consistently by BR over his 3 year period - and it is a fallacy that BR gives youth a chance.

    Only Sterling and Ibe have played any type of decent 1st eleven playing time over BR's 3 years.

    Does this mean we can't produce a decent goalie, defender, midfielder or striker in those 3 years?

    Dismal mismanagement.

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  81. And also we lose BR :)

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  82. He's their boss, he thinks they might not be up to it. Let him change things and jugde after.

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  83. Papers say 37mill 5 year deal hahaha it must grow on trees

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  84. Jackson Martinez, Luciano Vietto, Yarmalenko (Any two please) and then add Jovetic for #4 if Sturridge ever comes back....
    Damn, I just don't trust BR's selection skills and Ayre's deal closing skills AT ALL. I wish I felt differently but history thus far doesn't convince me otherwise....I guess I will work on my Golf game instead............

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  85. Where was his judgement over the past 3 years????

    I'm a senior guy for a major household name. If after my 3rd year performance review I blamed the guys who worked for me, I know I'd get walked out the front door immediately.

    Shrinkingly bad mismanagement.

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  86. As I said, results will tell whether it was bad mismanagement or not. Firing them doesn't mean it is all their fault, surely Rodgers simply thinks that better coaches will make him and the team better.

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  87. To be fair you can say the same of Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City etc


    The bar is set so high now in regards to quality that it is near impossible for a young player to break through.


    Look at Chelsea, they have an amazing youth set up with amazing young players but they simply can not get into squad, let alone first team.

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  88. I don't wish to tag you with an "apologist" label, but nothing BR has done in the past or likely to do in the future, would ever stand up against proper performance-related scrutiny.

    And it sickens me to the core that BR is able to get away with it for so long, and folks still come on here and back him for no other reason than blind loyalty.

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  89. That may well be the case.

    The difference is the clubs you mention have deep pockets and can afford to go on gigantic spending sprees at will.

    LFC can't. Hence we need to find talent from within, or following the current model (which is failing) of gambling on untested talent.

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  90. The problem is most fans these days will not give a player a chance.


    You throw in a untested young lad and he has a few bad games and that's him finished.

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  91. Pascoe may be sacked though.

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  92. Firstly his personal life has nothing to do with anything. Secondly you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what has gone on there. The decision to get rid may have been against what Rodgers wants. I know it fits your ideas to say such things but it is just horrible speculation and a touch sickening.

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  93. Agree generally with your point.

    Hence, if you look back in history, prior to KK first reign, we used to buy players and it used to take then ages to get into the first team because of our strength in depth.

    The suggestion now is we need to first make sure the youngster are performing at the reserve level, and then give then 10-20 mins at the end of games, before starting them.

    When was the last time you saw BR do this with a youngster on a consistent basis?

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  94. When was the last time you saw any Liverpool manager do this?

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  95. Countinho. Sturridge. Saurez resigned twice. Ibe. Gerrard signed an extension. Sakho.

    All proper players.

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  96. I dream next season that Balo score the winner with an assist from Milner against Man City

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  97. Muddy waters indeed. How has Johnson survived?

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  98. i do not get it?!


    just read that Pascoe and Marsh has been given the boot?
    surely the two arent to blame for how we finished the season?

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  99. I just hope that was an own goal and Balo is back with City otherwise it's a nightmare not a dream

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  100. I think finishing second, 2 points behind the champions, when your employers themselves weren't expecting it, would stand up pretty well. That alone buys him another chance, in my opinion.

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  101. Dark days ahead. Not only are we playing like a mid tanle team but we are acting like one and buying like one. A complete overhaul and revamp is needed. I'll feel for BR if the sackings of Karsh and Pascoe were against his will and he has to be content with whoever they bring in, that'll only make matters worse. If Kono goes to Stoke well...

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  102. Buying like a Mid table team.


    When exactly did we buy like a a top 4 team?

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  103. I heard it was only Mike Marsh? Funny thing is, Rene Meulensteen criticised Rogers for not bringing in more experience in his backroom staff at the start of the Champs League.. Quite right as well I think

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  104. Not wholly to blame no. But all must take some.

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  105. Do you ever hear from Abramovic, Manseur or Kronke?

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  106. For all his faults balo has the potential for match winning milner doesnt

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  107. That has to go down as a contender for the most crass comment in the history of Liverpool Kop.

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  108. I don't see anybody here blindly following BR.


    I do see many people pointing out that many of our faults have existed long before BR became our manager, that FSG are not some evil owners but are very good owners and that the some people see to think we should be signing world class players, something we have never done.


    I am disappointed that BR has not been removed simply because I believe a better manager would of done better with the squad of players we have.


    However since FSG have chosen to keep with BR I will support him because that is the proper thing to do.


    I refuse to act like fans from other clubs like Newcastle.


    Whilst he is our manager I will support him and the club.

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  109. True but not week in week out imo and I was in favour of his signing.

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  110. 10 days ago he was going to Tottenham allegedly. It was some reports about Stoke a few days ago, but did he sign already? I'm not sure.

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  111. Its not sentiment. He brought them here. Just like he brought all those failures here. Yet as always he shirks responsibility and only loods out for himself. The proper thing to do is say to FSG, look I'm end responsible and I go first.

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  112. Leaving your wife for a younger model the second you have a bit of success. Thats crass.

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  113. Oh please. Cou was no one when he signed and Neither was Sturridge. Suarez signed for Gerrard and Gerrard signed for LFC. Sakho? Proper player?

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  114. If it was against what Rodgers wants he should have walked himself. As he should have two weeks ago.

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  115. I like Cheryshev and think he;d suit our style of play. I think having him could help us nab Vietto in the unlikely event that he doesn't go to Atlético. The pair formed a nice partnership last year and I usually think that is a good sign. Suggests football intelligence. Understanding.


    I reckon we'd have to pay too much for Cheryshev though. If we were to try and spend a bit of money on a Real misfit, Jesé would be my choice. Looked better than Bale at times the season before last and kept Morata out of the team.

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  116. So now rumour that Rodgers partner in crime Colin Pascoe also to be sacked.


    FSG could be sweeping the floor clean. Is the next step a DOF?

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  117. Well, Marsh is the first team coach, isn't he? BR might be the manager, but the title seems to me he's in charge of making sure the squad is ready for matches. Which they weren't. And Pascoe is BR's right hand man. He probably wasn't picking up his part of the job. BR can only do so much.


    BR might shoulder some blame, but he's only one guy. He can't do everything, so it can't ONLY be his fault. Even if BR did his job perfectly, if his staff don't pull their weight, it'll be a failed era. Heck, for all we know, BR's being held back.


    FSG don't want to have to fire BR. At least right now. There's no one available that's better and can justify it. If they can make everyone around him better, perhaps he might find some success.

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  118. Seems like a good thing. As much as we hound BR, we really don't know about the rest of that staff. They're even less qualified than BR is to be honest. Yes BR might need to leave, but a change in backroom might just be the kick up the *** he needs.

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  119. Going to be interesting to see what happens next...

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  120. rogers is a coach not a manager and there is a big differance

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  121. They're both wingers, but both different style players. Kono relies on his speed, flair, and distance shooting. Yarmo is bigger/stronger, a stronger finisher, and left footed (we like inside fws with Raheem on the left... Yarmo would be perfect on the right).

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  122. id like us to be linked with a player whose appraisal is '' half decent '' but at least plays that way .....a phenomenon what has he got 3 legs

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  123. Is he though? Most of the problems we see in games are ones that should be ironed out in training, but there's no proof of this happening whatsoever. If anything, his tactics are sound (if a bit naive), but nothing is happening behind closed doors that suggests the problems on the pitch are being solved.

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  124. He does not want to be just a coach. He made it explicitly clear before he took the job.


    Things going to get steamy...

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  125. Berlin thinks he could resign out of loyalty

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  126. It would be an 'outstanding' move.

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  127. i think rogers football philosophy falls down tactically because management issues cloud his judgement and selection ....as a coach it didn't make sense to play gerrard dm but from a management support standpoint it did ,for me rodgers hasnt the strength of character or charisma to separate the two roles

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  128. we need a guy who knows the continental market especially south america

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  129. I think FSG have now given Rodgers a choice. Accept decisions made for him or leave? No more control...

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  130. Effectively that means he is no longer really the manager so perhaps that is grounds to appeal your name change.

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  131. I agree with some of that.


    You bring up the issue of Gerrard as a DM, and that was always one that confused me. I mean, as a DM in the traditional sense, no he definitely is not made for that role. But then there was this talk of him being a "Pirlo-esque" regista deep playmaker player, which intrigued me. If anything, Gerrard could pull it off to extend his career. But in the end, it turned out to be neither. He was this weird, middle "stopper" forward playing CB with ball playing priorities. It didn't quite seem right to me, and BR didn't seem to really know what to do.

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  132. I have counted my chickens. Mentioned it the other day.

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  133. How many were there?

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  134. Hopefully not. Commoli was a disaster. All his signings were based off pro-Zone.

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  135. Suarez was a top 4 buy, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Arbeloa, Sturridge all players capable of playing for incredible sides. Tell me Ings, Markovic and Lambert are.

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  136. The Pascoe thing is weird. Who decides he is at fault, at fault for what? He is surely at Brendan's beck and call, CP does what BR wants. From the perspective of the owners, if CP is crap then surely BR is crap. Sorry just don't get it.

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  137. Comolli was not a DOF as per say. He was solely in charge of making sure the club signs 'the right players'.


    He had nothing to do with what Kenny did with the team.


    FSG are making a statement which is what needed. We cannot afford to have another season of 'lets see what happens'.

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  138. Can't tell you :-)

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  139. Still there was a reason he was sacked, same for Pascoe. Fallows is a major problem, sure he just buys of his mates.

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  140. Pascoe leaving most probably leaves BR with a decision to make.


    Pascoe was nothing more but a yes man.

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  141. Of course he was a yes man, that is my point. FSG know he was a yes man so why don't they get to the source of the problem.


    Don't know what you mean about BR having a decision to make?

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  142. I agree entirely. I have always said BR should be given another year but I really don't get why the backroom staff are being sacrificed or who is really calling the shots now and why they have taken this action. If you decide people need to be changed then BR has to be one of them . All this does is make BR's position even more difficult and makes LFC look daft (or barking)

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  143. Fallows is the least of our problems. What happens on the pitch is our biggest problem.

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  144. Do you believe Rodgers is going to be chuffed when decision get made for him?

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  145. When was the last time you signed a professional contract with LFC? Sakho is an automatic starter in the France national team. When he plays, we win. Cou just resigned same with Sturridge, and Henderson. Saurez still praises BR he had no need to anymore. He could slander BR without any repercussions. All of your arguments are invalid.

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  146. Sorry, yes I get it. He is manager of Liverpool Football Club, he ain't gonna get a bigger job as long as he lives. He ain't chuffed but he ain't gonna moan either.

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  147. Making things very difficult for Rodgers. The writing is on the wall.

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  148. He would be daft to moan if he wants to carry on being manager of LFC.

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  149. If your a boss and you tell one of your employees what to do, but they do it badly, is it your fault? You might get the blame, but your employee is still the one doing the task...


    I'm not saying BR is faultless, but to blame him for Pascoe's inadequacy seems off the mark to me

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  150. Who says FSG are blaming Pascoe?

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  151. What makes you think CP was inadequate? I would suggest he carried out Brendan's instruction to the letter.

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  152. FSG are by giving him the bullet.

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  153. How do you know? For all we know BR told Pascoe to train the defense, and he went out and taught Coates a bike kick...

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  154. Of course, he know where his bread is buttered.

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  155. And it did not need to be done?

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  156. It did need to be done imo. These are good moves in my book.

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  157. FSG once again showing their ruthless nature which they are known for.

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  158. BR is a control freak, if he told CP to train Coates to bike kick then he would, if not Coates would have walked it in.

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  159. This is all I know about the backroom, but it does make me think a rehaul has been needed all season long.

    http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/05/brendan-rodgers-needs-help-coaching-team/

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  160. Why are they good moves? GP and MM are just instruments for BR's method. They are just work men, just empowering tools. Don't give them credit or criticism for LFC's playing inadequacies.

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  161. It is not buttered anymore.

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  162. He may be toast soon though.

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  163. But you must be butter 'cause you're on a roll...




    no?

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  164. BR said from the beginning he wanted to run the show. CP and MM were just there to nod their heads and is the reason why they are being moved on.

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  165. Ok, so are you saying FSG have decided to find coaching staff that can influence and improve BR as a coach/manager?

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  166. Who knows what is going to happen next but clearly Rodgers is being told my way or the highway.

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  167. Ah yes, because I'm not a professional football player Sakho is a top defender. Makes perfect sense. And where was Sturridge going otherwise. With his injury record, no one would want him. But you know what, we won't agree. Well just see at the end of next season where we end up and what you think about Rodgers then. If hes still at the club come next May.

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  168. But again, that's just the thing. If I you tell me to build a house, and I do but it falls over the next day, who deserves to be fired?

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  169. Maybe your right but it is a sad state of affairs LFC have come to. Imagine saying to Shanks, "Dear Mr Shankly, we as the board have no faith in your coaching staff, Mr Paisley and Mr Fagan, if you fire them we will let you carry on as our manager"

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  170. LFC did not need to tell Paisley or Fagan to leave as LFC = On top of the world in those days.


    LFC last season = laughing stock.


    Changes have to be made and the weakest links need to be removed.

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  171. You seem to be insinuating that Pascoe and Marsh are/where the weak links. Why? If your boss is crap do you think you are the one who should get the old tin tack?

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  172. "Positive talks". If Rodgers had to stay on then I doubt there will be anymore use of square pegs in round holes.

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  173. I am not insinuating anything. If they added no value then what is the point in having them?

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  174. Although Milner lacks that wow factor he is a sturdy and reliable player and has a good attitude to the game. It does lack of ambition but he is a solid acquisition none the less and brings some much needed experience to the squad if we can add a couple of top notch players along with some up and coming talent then all the better. Pascoe and Marsh have apparently been shown the door. FSG clearly do not trust Rodgers with money as they have yet to disband the transfer committee and now with Pascoe and Marsh on the way out they do not trust his staff either..I am keeping a close eye on what FSG are going to do next

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  175. I just think that FSG didn't want to switch managers for a couple of reasons:


    1. Rodgers has 3 years left on his deal
    2. Klopp is taking a bit of a sabbatical
    3. Without Klopp available, there wasn't anyone out there that they deemed a significant improvement.


    Hence, the Christmas timeframe is one in which Klopp should still be available, it gives Rodgers a bit of time to try and right the ship, and FSG don't have to make a change now to a manager who is as much a question mark as Rodgers.

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  176. Did you not see the note about needing a top class DM?

    Please read the whole post before responding...

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  177. Something needed to change... if it wasn't going to be Rodgers, it had to be something else. Unfortunately for Marsh and Pascoe, they turned out to be the "something else"

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  178. The point is Milner is about to become the highest paid player at LFC.

    Now if we suddenly sign 2-3 players on the same wage or higher (and assuming they are top class) then like you I don't have a problem.

    But alas that is not going to happen. Hence the furore over signing Milner.

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  179. Nothing wrong with barking.


    I liked Pascoe, just because he seemed to have a great rapport with the players on the touchline. Recently I've been ambivalent about BR staying but I always wanted Pascoe to remain. Sigh.o


    Either BR is reluctantly doing what he's told or he is being encouraged to resign.

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  180. Good point. And welcome back (early).

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  181. You're always right.

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  182. :)

    Not gonna change any time soon!

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  183. You think Rodgers is going to take it lightly when his backroom staff is being removed and will be replaced without him having a say?

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  184. No I'm just saying you probably have no idea what a proper player is. I'm jealous of all professionals they obviously worked very hard and are more of proper player than you or I. I pointed out sakho is a starter in a top national side and we win when he plays. Where the heck you got the comparison between you and sakho is beyond me. Do you work in the media? Maybe fox news? If not, you might have a career in it, considering how poorly you just manipulated that.

    Look your mad about the season that's great. Get over it. Your not a coach or a player. Good players have and continue to sign for Rodgers. You need to keep in mind Rodgers did finish second and each year he set the team up to go on great runs. The wheels fell of the bus after 2 tough losses. Sometimes it happens. Hopefully coach and players learn and we move forward.

    If you want instant success go support chelski or citeh.

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  185. How do you know he didn't have a say. Reports are actually saying the opposite, that it was a mutual decision between Rodgers and FSG

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  186. In the meeting with FSG, Rodgers probably blamed it on Pascoe and Marsh. "They told me to play that formation, it's their fault. Don't sack me, sack them."

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  187. Those are reports. FSG have come out and said nothing and neither has Rodgers.


    Pascoe has been Rodgers right hand man for a long time now. Rodgers is not going to just tell him to bugger off.

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  188. You're out of order.

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  189. Yes back in the day they where drinking and smoking but they could still run all day and still have the skill, The game was a harder and more physical than today, Now surely Football is Football no matter what era you still had to have the skill, Yes the ball is lighter now but then it was like a cannon ball and they could still dribble with it, Players where kicked off the park then But they came strait back in again, So all said they have it a lot easier now and are treated like little Princesses.

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  190. Yep - that chance was this year when BR:

    1. Spent £120m in the summer
    2. Limped out of the CL
    3. Never got the team into the top 4 all season
    4. Finished the season in disastrous form
    5. Lost the dressing room

    I don't understand this misnomer that finishing second is something to praised to the extent to future ills can be forgiven.

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  191. Souness blooded a lot of youth (he had no choice at the time because the seniors were so dreadful).

    Much like with BR this year.

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  192. So why do these guys tweet when it suits them?

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  193. "I don't see anybody here blindly following BR"



    I had a good chuckle when I read that. What about you?

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