23 Jun 2015

Mega-Deal: After transfer-talks, Liverpool agree to sign 'irreplaceable' £30m attacker. Done deal likely after Copa America

Speculation over the signing of 'irreplaceable' Brazilian Roberto Firmino continues to intensify this week, and new reports in Brazil suggest that Liverpool are now in pole-position to sign the prolific and talented attacker this summer.

Last week, Firmino's agent confirmed that the 23-year old 'will go to England' this summer, and on Sunday, the Daily Express claimed:

"Liverpool are closing in on Hoffenheim’s Brazilian international midfielder Roberto Firmino, who would cost another £15 million".

Last night, Brazilian newspaper GlobeSporte reported:

* Liverpool have agreed a 5-year deal for Firmino, and are 'likely' to sign him after after the the Copa America.

* 'Negotiations' are moving 'quickly', and Sky Sports reports that Liverpool have held talks with Firmino over the last few days

* The Liverpool Echo further claims that Firmino will cost '£25m-£30m'.

This all sounds very enticing, but Liverpool fans know better than to pin their hopes on press reports, even if they are from Firmino's home country of Brazil.

In the past, the Reds have been allegedly 'close' to signing the likes of Alexis Sanchez, Willian, and Diego Costa, but none of the deals materialised.

If Liverpool can overcome the permanent handicap of having Ian Ayre negotiating transfers, and somehow contrive to sign Firmino ahead of Manchester United, then it will be one of the most exciting deals in years. Firmino's stats:

* 2013-14: 22 goals/16 assists (38) in 37 apps (Goal/Assist every 0.9 games)

* 2014-15: 10 goals/12 assists (22) in 36 apps (Goal/assist every 1.6 games)

* TOTALS: 32 goals/28 assists (60) in 73 apps (Goal/assist every 1.2 games).

60 goals/assists in 73 games? That's a great achievement in one of Europe's best leagues, and it's clear that Firmino is currently proving himself to be one of Europe's most prolific attacking players.

Hopefully, Coutinho will be trying to persuade Firmino to sign for Liverpool, though it's a double-edged sword for Liverpool's other attacking Brazilian.


The arrival of Firmino will put pressure on Coutinho's place in the team as they both (ostensibly) operate in the number-10 position. As such, it's conceivable that one may cancel out the other when they're in the same team.

Additionally, if Rodgers plays both in the same team, one of the two will inevitably get shunted out wide, which will curtail effectiveness, especially Coutinho, who is less effective on the wing. That said, in a 352, Coutinho and Firmino can play a dual number-10 role:

----------------- Mignolet

-------- Can --- Skrtel -- Sakho

Clyne? ----- Hendo --- Milner ---- Moreno

---------- Coutinho - Firmino

----------------- Ings

It's a nice problem to have, but I'm still skeptical that Liverpool can seal the deal. There is one thing that may help Liverpool, though: Hoffenheim is (comparatively) a much smaller club than LFC, and Firmino may feel like moving to Anfield is a big enough step-up for him at this stage of his career.

There's also a potential wrinkle on the horizon: Firmino will probably start for Brazil in the Copa America quarter-finals, and with Neymar banned, he has the opportunity to really show people what he's all about.

If he knocks it out of the park, it could spark interest from other big clubs, which may end up being fatal to Liverpool's chances. So: here's hoping Firmino has a 'mare against Paraguay ;-)

Author: Jaimie K



162 comments:

  1. Please...Please...Please...Please....

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  2. I'm afraid with last minute deal hijack from PL rival clubs. Until he signs ...I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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  3. Firmino will be played as a striker, in the Suarez mould, go back to fetch & run forward and then probably score, Coutinho has nothing to fear!

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  4. No place for Lallana then :-o


    Kovacic? Where will he play?

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  5. Firmino can operate as a striker if needed but I kinda question why we are collecting so so many midfielders. Lucas isn't even in the team.

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  6. I was thinking along similar lines - he definitely has a touch of the Suarez's about him. I can see him being effective as a second striker.


    Or as a right wing back........(just kidding).

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  7. Firmino will be played as a false 9 which he is being deployed as for Brazil.

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  8. Nor is Lallana!

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  9. Complete the deals for Firmino, Bacca and Clyne deals, and I think it will be a good transfer window, though I will wait until I see a pic of each of them holding a Liverpool shirt.

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  10. He is better than Depay and plays in a tougher league.

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  11. He's been playing as a striker for Brazil. He could play off of Sturridge with Cout behind him pulling the strings. It would be a definite step up in quality...therefore it won't happen. Next week it will be reported that ManU have outbid Liverpool and offer more wages. Then, when he goes to another team it will be claimed we had no interest in him. Only shite mid to relegated prem players for us.

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  12. Someone probably made a similar joke last summer about Sterling and Markovic playing as wing-backs, and look what happened...

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  13. I'm trying to reign in my raging optimism, lest the devil farts in our faces again, as he usually does when we get too excited about something.

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  14. Hope we get him and then again I had high hopes that we'd land kovacic and depay...

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  15. Yep, we have a very slim chance of getting him. This is all media puff.

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  16. Add in a DM or even Kovacic and I would be ecstatic!!!!

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  17. If there wasn't an element of truth to it then it wouldn't be funny. Still, we laugh to hide the tears.

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  18. You forgot Lallana too.

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  19. Illara would be a good DM signing

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  20. That team still looks poor. It muct be the formation. 4-3-3 would be better.

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  21. still waiting to see Kovacic with the shirt, apparently we have agreed a contract too ...

    I've learned that we'd better not get our hopes up when it comes to transfer since BR took over.

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  22. Devil is about to bend over after eating a large bowl of chili with extra beans...wait for it.

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  23. You misunderstand. I refer to lfc being linked to a good player, then in the last minute they end up elsewhere.

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  24. Firmino would be a great signing. He could operate as a false 9 easily and even play out on the flanks. I won't believe anything regarding Firmino until he is in a Liverpool shirt and announced to the world.

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  25. Plus he's not from a mid table prem team so he has no chance of coming to LFC...this all really has the smell of Sanchez last year.

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  26. Kovacic (IF we were to bring him) would certainly fight for a place in a midfield 3 with Milner, Henderson, and (hopefully) Can.

    Lallana would fight for a place higher up the field with coutinho and Lallana, now i don't know where that would leave Ibe/Markovic.

    Hope a get read of quite a few players if we keep adding that many every season.

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  27. The formation in the end is not the be all and end all. You can make any formation work but you have to get the tactics right and select players that suite the formation.


    Rodgers got it right with the diamond which is not even his favoured formation. All other formations have not worked or been a flash in the pan.

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  28. That's what I reckon too

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  29. I agree. We had a £10.7m bid rejected by Madrid but they're willing to accept a £16m bid. Here's hoping FSG can cough up and Rafa can do us a favour.

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  30. Hate to be critical JK but that's clearly 3-4-3 (or 3-4-2-1) not 3-5-2.....I know, I know..... everyone's a critic :-)

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  31. I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

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  32. Muhammad Ibrahim6:42 pm, June 23, 2015

    Will only believe this once it is officially announced. First we agreed with Kovacic, only to find out nothing had apparently happened. Now we are in for Firmino, the same Firmino, that according to many top news paper reports has agreed a transfer to Manure.

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  33. It is easy to say he will fight for a place in midfield when Can was a defender for majority of last season. Kovacic will not know where he is going to be played. If he is askeed to feature as a RWB like Lallana, Ibe, Sterling, Henderson and Markovic then he will have to get on with it?

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  34. Man city are probably the favourites, ahead of United and Liverpool

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  35. Favourites for what? Emptiest stadium?

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  36. They can have Sterling for 50mil

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  37. It'd be like going back to the 13/14 setup but Firmino in place of Suarez

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  38. Something like this?

    ------------Mignolet--------
    Clyne- Skrtel- Sakho- Moreno
    ------Illaramendi? (Or Can)----
    -------Hendo----Milner
    Firmino---Sturridge---Coutinho

    The only problem with this is that the two most creative players, Coutinho and Firmino are shunted out wide which might affect their end product. But overall a decent team with the likes of Lucas, Toure, Bogdan, Markovic, Ibe, Lallana and Ings as back up.
    Hopefully we bring in another striker as well. I was initially hoping for Jackson Martinez but it appears we have turned our attention to Bacca and Rondon; both of whom suit our style of play. It appears that LFC can actually identify realistic targets that improve our first team! Now we just need to get them- Good luck Ayre!

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  39. They have got great fans.

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  40. What? Suarez > Firmino every day of the bloody week.

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  41. I have a feeling that some of the negativity surrounding Liverpool is a bit over the top. Just like I can see from your comment.

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  42. Yes, I know them both.

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  43. --------------------Mignolet
    Wisdom(Flanaghan)--Skrtel--Sakho-Moreno
    ------------------Henderson--Can
    -----------------------Coutinho
    Firmino---------Origi----Lallana


    Ibe for Lallana, Ings, Daniel and Mario for Origi, Milner and Lucas for Hendo and Can, Lovren and Toure for CB. We are bit short on the full backs, if one that can play either flank can be bought for 25 mill we are good to go.

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  44. I would like to believe the deal would go through...of course there's Ayre... so who knows

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  45. Suarez is > than anyone available to any club, the point is being close enough.

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  46. Lol, nice one

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  47. Our current best starting 11 IMO

    Migs
    Flanno Ilori Sakho Moreno
    Hendo Lucas Can
    Sterling Sturridge Coutinho



    Yes, I have gone with Ilori. We need a fast and capable ball playing CB like we had with Agger until he lost his legs.

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  48. Hypothetically if we got Firmino, Illarramendi, Kovacic and Clyne (which is the 4 players I want) all before selling Sterling, would that not show ambition for trophies that he was talking about...... be interesting to see

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  49. I don't know is he fast and capable ball playing CB, but Sakho is one and that might be too much? And Sterling is really not our player anymore.. Couts on the wing is something I am very afraid of- he can handle false 9 really well but as that will not be necessary or possible next season, and with Can going to the midfield to make the competition fierce with Hendo/Milner I think the only place for him is behind striker(s). But a good team that is...

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  50. It is not about hvving Coutino on the wing. That is not what 4-3-3 eis about. The front three interchange all the time which Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge are more than capable of.


    Sterling if I am not mistaken was our most creative player last season. I still would not sell him. I would rather have him twisting and turning defences than Lallana who is not the quickest player we have. If you had to put Toure and Lallana on a track then I recon the defender will beat him.

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  51. I think if we went out and bought those four players, we'd sell Sterling to fund the buys.


    I can't believe we'd buy them and not sell Sterling.

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  52. Yes, but please no Kovacic... Think about it- if we play diamond we have 4 places in the mid- one has got to be Couts, one has got to be proper defensive player, leaves him two spots. in 433 he only has one spot left or he is pushed on the wing and with Lallana and Ibe already at the club as our future and pricey acquisition it would be wong to play a mid out of the position, unless it is Friggy for tactical reasons, who is actually used to it.

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  53. I can see the Firmino deal being subject to the Sterling transfer. Sounds obvious, but it's frustrating we can't seem to shift deadwood effectively, and is a reason for stalling our own transfer activities. Be aggressive, and take a hit on exits if needs be - we can't fall further behind.


    I calculated (conservatively), we could raise around £50-55m through non-Sterling related sales which included all strikers apart from Sturridge, etc.. Maybe more if we identify youth players who blatantly aren't going to break into the side (I don't include Ilori in this, as he's looked decent and I believe will come good...). Plus transfer funds, plus the fee from the likely sale of Sterling and we're talking over £130m that can go on 4 class players, and then squad players.


    (I know I'm quoting more than 4 class players here, but it's sunny, and I like to dream): Rondon, Bacca, Illarramendi, Firmino, Clyne... Yarmalenko would be the icing on the cake. Forget about it - we'd be awesome.

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  54. I have to admit reading the Metro these days gives me a lot of more joy compared to reading the official LFC site/soccernet that only announce confirmed deals for LFC. I don't know Spanish so I don't know what was being mentioned about the potential transfer in Brazil but I know no clubs above us will give us this good a good chance to sign a player of this calibre. Even according to the Metro, we will only be stepping up the chase for the boy in the coming few days, far from something concrete.

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  55. The Kovacic deal seems less attractive by the day...

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  56. Just read that Firmino was asked about the transfer today, and he replied that his future is now 'in the hands of God'.


    Let that be a lesson to young Raheem, who just has Aidy Ward as his agent.

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  57. I'd be very surprised if we don't accept City's next offer, assuming it amounts to upwards of £45 million.

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  58. What if we get Asier Illarramendi this summer? Better start thinking...

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  59. Ah, but what about when Suarez joined us, maybe it was Suarez<>Firmino, so that's very promising for the future.

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  60. I like the way (most) Brazilians play, but their faith and pointing to the sky just makes me wanna puke sometimes... One of the dirtiest defenders lately could step in for a priest if you believe what he does to celebrate on the pitch(previously kicking and stamping all over....)

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  61. It's set! Roberto Firmino has landed in Liverpool!

    ...to enjoy the scenery, while he takes a trip to Machester to sign for United.

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  62. maybe thats why there better players than us

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  63. Wow, isn't that the funniest piece of the humorous comedy ever written here... One thousand upvotes and fb shares, please!

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  64. Because they apologize to God after stamping?

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  65. The negativity is based on concrete grounds and not something cooked up from thin air. Let's hope the management can turn it into some kind of positivity for us poor fans this summer.

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  66. You forgot Jesus

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  67. Look mate, Firmino has a long way, very long way to go before he is anywhere the the level of Suarez. Suarez was a monstrosity at Ajax. His goal record at Anfield and Barca (playing 3rd fiddle to Messi and Neymar) is there for everyone to see.

    He might have a few screws loose but is one of the best players in the world.

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  68. Ask Neymar then

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  69. only way to solve this is to sign 2 religious centre half & see how it works

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  70. The irony is I am a better Christian than him... Lying, pretentious, cheating little pr!ck.

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  71. But he is 100% Jesus;)

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  72. Wouldn't be too worried about him knocking it out the park, Mignolet does that all the time and it hasn't seemed to spark a lot of interest :)
    Come on the Reds, lets get this one done and then we can all start to enjoy a Brazilian this summer.

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  73. It seems like BR has an unexplainable aversion for defensive midfielder...

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  74. If God with us, we have Bacca and Firmino already in the bank;)

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  75. The tough away games are a blessing in disguise. At least BR is reinforcing the squad. Firming will be a bargain but I am worried because of JK's choice of Ings as the point man. He lacks the guts of Michael Owen.

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  76. So, what's next? we sign Lacazzete right after another 6-1 defeat? where's the ambition?

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  77. When you say a monstrosity, just for clarification - is Firmino not even a little bit of a monster himself already, as that's what I meant, how is he compared to how Suarez was when he joined us.
    Clearly he's not at the level Suarez has since achieved under Brendan's tutelage, but maybe he will join us and also go on to be a world beater :)

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  78. Though after Masch and Sissoko we would've been better off the ones we got..

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  79. So Brendan is mulling it over then...

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  80. Uhhh.. You are making Loges guts turn inside out with that...

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  81. That's it. Or play with the diamond and have The Firm in the Suarez role.

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  82. Liverpool have held talks with forwards Roberto Firmino, Carlos Bacca and Salomon Rondon, according to Sky sources.

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  83. Suarez career total before he joined LFC.

    138 goals in 230 matches.

    Firmino 61 goals in 206 matches.



    I really do not see what you are trying to get at.

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  84. We are going to sign all three of them. Drum roll...

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  85. Maybe Rondon, but that's just there's practically zero competition for him.

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  86. Rondon is going to propel us into the CL. Even win the League.

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  87. Best team in Holland- Mid-table in Germany. And Eredivise always has more goals than Bundesliga. Not saying Firminho is the next big thing, but stats are in his favour he is..

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  88. His return of 27 goals in two seasons is just....outstanding.

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  89. Was just asking for a comparison and genuinely appreciate you providing one, am I right in thinking Suarez was a little further along in his career path though?
    Also don't forget that Chewy wasn't always available to us and those stats don't count for much when you're banned.
    Just for the record though, I love Suarez - and for me currently, he's better than both Messi and Neymar.

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  90. Laughable.

    Firmino is going to pull off a Suarez at LFC? Oh the over expectation. I am already licking my lips.

    Firmino is a good player but to eclipse Suarez he will struggle.

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  91. Thats what I would like to see. let Hendo and miller be the engines that run constantly, cause it is there best attributes and allow countinho to works his magic.

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  92. Suarez was 23 when he joined us? Firmino is you guessed it, 23.

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  93. There you go with those darn stats and figures again, fair one though but I still have a hankering that Suarez was already a bit further along the road.

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  94. Oh well that's it then, that's blown the whole thing out of the water, I'll get Ian on the phone right now and tell him to pull the plug.
    But seriously if we both agree, which I think we do, that he's not anywhere close to Suarez' current level at present, would you be happy enough to label him our Marquee Striker if the deal went through?

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  95. I was gonna explain but you ARE LICKING YOUR LIPS?!? Because you think a a LFC player will not live up to expectations?!?
    Disgrace.

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  96. Suarez is a footballing genius. Give him the ball and he will make you think WTF.

    Firmino at 23 vs Suarez at 23. There is no comparison I am afraid.

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  97. And Illarramendi, and Kovacic, and Clyne... but who am I kidding ;)

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  98. Disgrace where? Put Suarez in a room now with any footballer on the planet. Who are you going to choose?

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  99. Firmino *won't be played as a false nine, because that's the position he's best at. I know these transfer rumors might make you double take, but BR isn't out yet... :D

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  100. It seems the Illarra transfer might work for once. Rafa doing us a favor and just cutting to the chase!

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  101. PB wasn't saying that Firmino is better than Suarez. That is obvious.

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  102. Firmino is not a striker. If we are signing him to play as a striker then it is clear that LFC have no f****** clue.

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  103. Apparently our interest in Roberto is firmin up. I suck.

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  104. Well he kind of is and at other times he's an attacking mid, but in that case where do you see him fitting in to our set up?

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  105. Is it weird that I want Bacca so badly because I can't wait to say "Bacca the net"?

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  106. Firmino is not a striker.

    Just like Sterling, is he a striker?

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  107. No he's a right wing back and I think you know that ;)

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  108. Ok, so where do you think Firmino will be deployed at LFC under Rodgers should he sign for LFC when Sterling was asked to play at RWB?

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  109. Bl**dy h*ll Logan I was so happy ten minutes ago, I think he will be played as either an attacking mid or a striker, I'm not going to get into false 12's and the like because I'm not as up on that as you, I understood Jamie's suggestion that his best spot was in the number ten role meaning, that, that may lead to competition between him self and Couts and result in one of them being pushed out wide, I also agreed with Jamie's notion that it would be a nice problem to have.
    Further:
    I trust Brendan to work things out and am hopeful and excited to think the deal may go through :)

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  110. ARE LICKING YOUR LIPs because you think a LFC player will not live up to expectations- disgrace!

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  111. Yeah mate. Everyone will be thrilled when Firmino signs, especially when we have no clue where he is going to be played, just like most of the signings last summer,


    £25m for Lallana as a RWB and a striker? Your guess is as good as mine.

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  112. When did obvious stop him..

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  113. Jeez, you made your point. Stop posting the same thing over and over (i.e. 'The Firmino signing sucks' in a dozen different ways).

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  114. You don't suck, just have a way to go...

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  115. I am on a roll Jaimie :-)

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  116. A different tack then, accepting that as of this minute in time BR *is* the manager - is Firmino a good signing and is he marquee level do you think?

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  117. You are the one with the high expectations. Not me.

    If Firmino signs then I wish him all the best. Not sure what his chances are at winning trophies at LFC though especially when looking at years and years and years back.



    Take off your rose tinted spectacles mate.

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  118. He is saying he would rather have Firmino?

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  119. no, he's saying that if LFC sign Firmino, it'll be like 2013-14, but with Firmino instead of Suarez.

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  120. I have not questioned Firmino's ability.


    I am questioning what his purpose will be at LFC when looking at the many square pegs round holes we already have under Rodgers.

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  121. So a repeat of the season with Firmino doing a Suarez?


    Really?

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  122. *sigh*

    Who said anything about a 'repeat' of that season?

    I'm sure most other people get the point, but you just don't, so there's no point continuing the discussion.

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  123. Orme is 110% Jesus.

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  124. "It'd be like going back to the 13/14 setup but Firmino in place of Suarez"



    Explain.

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  125. It's doesn't need explaining; it's totally self-explanatory, and easily comprehendible.

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  126. What is the 'setup' of Firmino in place of Suarez Peter BIDsley is writing about?

    Peter BIDsley, maybe you can divulge?

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  127. Fair enough and since watching England recently reminded me of my vehement dislike of a particular manager, I can see how that may at times, prevent you from feeling the jubilation of others in respect of happenings to the team they manage :)
    I will draw the conclusion that you are happy with Firmino's marquee status but feel he is a square marquee, that Brendan may try to peg out in a round fashion :)

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  128. Can't argue. You left me in an state of eternal embarrassment.

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  129. And throw Ings into the mix and you have a proper fruit salad.

    Firmino is just overjoyed at the way we started our transfer business this time round. Europa League qualification here we come.

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  130. Got me bested.

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  131. you ARE LICKING YOUR LIPS because you think a LFC player will not live up to expectations?!?

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  132. Firmino and tino could really be something special

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  133. He could be played as attacking mid or a second striker depending on the formation. So I think everyone but you knows where he will play if signed.

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  134. M2 Case
    Just think of this:
    Suarez missing the early part of the season and Barca chasing shadows, Suarez comeback and suddenly they won the treble.

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  135. Putting square pegs in round holes gave us the best run of the season. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's ineffective.

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  136. I think Case meant forward and stop acting so condescending Logan.

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  137. Deal done for Firmino, lets hope for the other 2 and challenge again for the league most wanted... Brendan now is the time, dont let it slips again.

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  138. He means tactically. He is basically saying "remember the way we played in 13/14? The plan will be that with Firmino in place of Suarez". He makes no comment as to the viability of that strategy but suggests that is how he might fit in.

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  139. I know mate, still a bit sickening he's not playing in the right colours anymore, but to be honest I still cheer him on. The guy is just so good and brings a smile to my face remembering the good times and I think we all knew of his dream and I'm pleased to see him live it.

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  140. DM: Illarramendi, Lucas or Allen.
    RCM: Henderson, Milner
    LCM: Kovacic, Can
    AM: Coutinho, Lallana

    Sell Allen or Lucas and we've got 2 for each position

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  141. Well JK Firmino deal sounds like being done, from under the noses of Man U according to reports. And this after us getting Milner despite Arsenal and City wanting to offer him more money....You might have to print a retraction about Rodgers ability to attract players, and Ayre's negotiating......I won't hold my breath

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  142. Multiple reports saying we've agreed a fee and Sky says the verbal confiration will be made tomorrow and signing finalized when the Copa is over. I honestly didnt think we'd come close to signing a player of his quality tis summer...I'm going mad trying to decide whether I'm excited or whether Im "not covinced untl I see him in a Red shirt"

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  143. I'm holding my breath til the Metro verifies the Firmino deal

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  144. It would be funny if this "silence" from the top was a ploy to make sure BR didnt alarm other teams by getting in front of the cameras and saying something along the lines of "we are looking to bring in top quality brazilians who might be playing at the copa right now and replacing Neymar i their next match against Paraguay. I wont give any detail away but we it looks like we are getting a pretty good deal and should be confirmed in the next 48hrs..."

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  145. Like it! - maybe he's just going to come back in while after we've signed half a dozen Marquee's, light up a big fat cigar and...
    'I love it when a plan comes together'

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  146. What really makes me laugh is Firmino is probably the best available player we could sign this summer yet still some "fans" (Logan) aren't satisfied. It is quite clear to me now that said fans would be far better off supporting another team as they will never ever be happy supporting LFC. Personally effing ecstatic about this signing.

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  147. Hey TomKorn42, check the next thread along, I think Logan's really as effing ecstatic as the rest of us ;-)

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  148. The deal may be hijacked by our rivals because negotiation will take eternity and a phone call from London or Manchester with UEFA champions league football will lure Firmino away from Anfield.

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  149. Although irked at lack of comms after end of season, very happy that LFC are quietly doing their business in June behind closed doors.

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  150. I wish they were a bit quieter until he was actually holding the shirt

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